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Spring Cleaning For Your Hard Drive

Shutup Now writes "Spring cleaning for your hardrive. This article talks about some extremes for keeping your computer running well. You decide whether this stuff is necessary." More than once a year is a good idea, too.

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  1. format c:\ by poison_reverse · · Score: 5, Funny

    spring cleaning the right way- time for a clean install! It was time for a new porn archive anyway...

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  2. It's time to clean when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... The power supply fan halts on the 6 oz. of dust blocking the blades.

    1. Re:It's time to clean when... by bigwayne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      its real spring cleaning:
      when that 6 oz. of dust blocks the blades, and your PSU pops all over the back wall...
      true story

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  3. Life is too short by flend · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your hdd is filling up? Buy another one :) In my opinion spring cleaning is forced by hard drive failure, just make sure you've backed up any original data (savegames, work, probably 600 mb worth :)).

    1. Re:Life is too short by markov_chain · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One step further: buy a new hard drive every spring. Their capacity doubles every year, so you don't even need to back anything up, just copy to the new hard drive and stash the old one somewhere.

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    2. Re:Life is too short by los+furtive · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That has been my philosophy since about 1996, and it has served me well. Having a notebook also helps to making sure that important data is duplicated.

      I buy a new HD about every 18 months, it usually gives me enough room to dump my (full) previous HD, and still have an equivalent amount of free space. It takes me about 18 months anyways to fill up what's left on the new hard drive.

      My friend's trick is to buy small sized hard drives from a big retailer that gives the 'premium' warranty, which is usually good for 2-3 years. When the warranty is almost out, he backs up his data, takes the drive out of the case and drops it from waist height onto the floor. He brings it in, and thanks to Moore's law, gets a new drive that is usually about twice as big as what he originaly had, since HD manufacturers stop making the small sized drives with time.

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    3. Re:Life is too short by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So your friend is the reason why hard drive warranties have gone into the toilet. Thanks for abusing the system and spoiling it for the rest of us, asswipe.

    4. Re:Life is too short by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thanks for cutting warranties from 3 years to 1 year for the rest of us.

  4. No offense, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't take tech tips from the newspaper.

  5. you know what they say about windows by facts · · Score: 5, Insightful

    a new install every six months is the best way to make sure every thing keeps running well

    1. Re:you know what they say about windows by Crashmarik · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sad but true. Everytime I have a new piece of windows software I ask is this the one thats going to irretrievably break my OS.

    2. Re:you know what they say about windows by zank · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well maybe if you turn the computer on and never use it. Better not even look at it.

    3. Re:you know what they say about windows by n9hmg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      6 months of uptime with any modern Windows... means you're not installing the weekly critical security update patches, all of which require reboot.
      What's your IP address again?

  6. Every day is springtime by SYFer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The need for a "spring cleaning," IMO, is analogous to letting your sink pile up with dirty dishes. The messier things get, the more daunting (and unlikely to be completed) the cleaning task becomes. After years of gradually creating messes on my hard drive, I finally learned, through effort and discipline, to put my time and energy into "up-front cleaning." That is, I try to bring closure to everything I do before it fades into HD oblivion.

    If I decide an app sucks, I eliminate it on the spot. I put everything related to a project into a single folder whenever possible and when the job is over, I take the time to archive it out to DVD or whatever. I delete all the "test files" ASAP (how many "finalfinal02_B.*'s do you have stashed away?). Delete all those old pr0n files regularly! Dump those log files!

    It takes tremendous discipline to avoid it, but I've found all too often, that "spring cleanings" actually tend to be needed on an emergency basis when a new paying project needs space or when performance slows to a crawl.

    Similarly, how many bachelor geeks have spent two hours doing dishes on an emergency basis before an important client or, god forbid, a member of the opposite sex is due to arrive.

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    1. Re:Every day is springtime by NineNine · · Score: 4, Funny

      Similarly, how many bachelor geeks have spent two hours doing dishes on an emergency basis before an important client or, god forbid, a member of the opposite sex is due to arrive.


      Now come on... how many bachelor geeks have members of the opposite sex that aren't related by blood come over to their apartment/house? That's not a very realistic sitation. Besides, who uses "dishes" any more? All of the food I eat comes in disposable packaging.

    2. Re:Every day is springtime by smilingirl · · Score: 4, Funny

      DELETED!!!!!!!!!! DELETED!!!!!!!!!! Ahh, I feel so cleansed! Spring cleaning makes me think of that old Strong bad email.

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    3. Re:Every day is springtime by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny
      That's not a very realistic sitation. Besides, who uses "dishes" any more? All of the food I eat comes in disposable packaging.

      I'll have you know all dishes are made from the only the finest silicon compounds.

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    4. Re:Every day is springtime by Norman+Lorrain · · Score: 2, Funny
      The need for a "spring cleaning," IMO, is analogous to letting your sink pile up with dirty dishes.

      In my university days, I used to wait until I could smell them from the living room.

    5. Re:Every day is springtime by golgotha007 · · Score: 2, Informative

      oh yes, i do agree with the 'cleaning as you go' attitude, but there's something else you fail to mention.
      ever notice that the more apps you install in any version of windows, the slower and clunkier it gets? no problem you say? just uninstall the app, remove leftover files and delete registry entries? sure, defrag the hard drive while you're at it, hmm?

      yes, then how come after doing all that, it still seems slower and clunkier than before?
      i have some friends that reinstall windows, drivers and favorite apps every 3 months (isn't ghost great?)

    6. Re:Every day is springtime by schmink182 · · Score: 2, Funny
      It would take an act of God for me to lose my data.

      You dare mock me.

      *crash* *kaboom* *scream*

      Hahahahaha!!!

    7. Re:Every day is springtime by E-prospero · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nah - What you need is to take a bachelor lesson from PJ O'Rourke.

      You will need:
      - 1 set of dishes, purchased at local thrift store
      - 2 pot lids, also from thrift store.
      - About 20 boxes of jello crystals.

      Method:
      1) Cook dinner. Use a fresh plate for each meal.
      2) When meal is complete, scrape excess off plate into bin, put plate in sink.
      3) Turn on hot tap, add enough water to cover plate.
      4) Add 2 boxes of jello to the water. Allow the jello to set.
      5) Each meal, repeat steps 1-4.
      6) When the sink is almost full, put the two pot lids in the sink, handles upwards, fill the sink with hot water (leaving the handles on the pot lids exposed), and add the last of your jello.
      7) When the jello sets, you should have a sink full of jello and dishes, with two pot handles exposed at the top of the jello.
      8) Use the two exposed handles to pull the entire jello block out of the sink, take the sink-sized jello cube to the thrift store, and put it in the donations bin. Then go into the thrift store, and buy a new set of dishes, and two more pot lids.

      The thrift store will then clean your dishes of leftover food and jello, before putting them back on sale. Next week, when you deliver another jello cube, you can buy the same cleaned dishes again. The money you pay buying the same dishes over and over is a donation to the thrift store, so they keep someone needy employed, and you get nice clean dishes for every meal.

      Russ %-)

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  7. Windows Home Users tips... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now appearing on Slashdot! Coming soon, how to set the time on your VCR!

    1. Re:Windows Home Users tips... by jkeyes · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wait you mean my VCR isn't supposed to be blinking 12:00?

    2. Re:Windows Home Users tips... by MyHair · · Score: 3, Funny
      Wait you mean my VCR isn't supposed to be blinking 12:00?

      No, you should buy a newer one like mine that displays --:-- without flashing.


      (Yes, I know how to program it. I just haven't done it since last power outage. And yes, some newer ones set the time themselves.)

  8. What backup? by nottestuser · · Score: 4, Funny

    eMule is my backup.

  9. Stop! Don't Do it. by aoteoroa · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From the article:
    Then you turn your computer off, put the operating system CD into the drive and turn the computer back on. Following the on-screen instructions, you wipe the hard drive clean and let the operating system reinstall itself from scratch
    I find it hard to believe that people are still advising full reinstalls of an operating system as part of regular maintenance. This just isn't necessary (sp?) any more. You can probably get the same performance increase by reorganizing your files, and defragging the harddrive.

    A full reinstall risks loss of data. One example is your email. Outlook express buries its data somewhere in c:\windows\application data\ . Most people don't back up the windows directory and risk losing their email when performing a complete reinstall. Windows 2000, and XP are stable enough that rebuilding the system every 6 months is no longer a best practice. The only good time to reinstall the OS is if there is something wrong with it. For example if you have downloaded some strange porn-viewer.exe that has fsked everything up a reinstall should be your last resort option.

  10. Not quite time yet... by eet23 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I very rarely delete things. I always worry that I'll want the file again soon, and backing it up to CD is too much bother right now.

    I have 14GB in ~/, and I've still got another 20GB to go before I need to delete some useless files or get a new HD. But at the rate of increase, I may well have a new computer by then anyway.

    Incidentally, of that 14GB, about 10MB is actually important, and that is backed up.

  11. LFS by gspr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As Linux From Scratch is rather hard to maintain anyway (rebuilding a library at the bottom often causes problems for stuff linked against it), it is common to "reLFS", that is build an entirely new LFS on another partition on your harddrive. One builds the very latest of everything, and then moves all config files and stuff over from the old system. When I move over my personal stuff, I tend to be veeeery strict with myself, and "leave behind" a lot of things (to die under the hand of mke2fs). That way, my system gets a total spring cleaning rather often, and the system is updated.

  12. Re:Stop! Don't Do it. by gregmac · · Score: 5, Informative
    Actually, I think that anyone that uses windows as a general-purpose PC (ie, many different purposes, always installing apps and changing hardware) over a long period of time will eventually need to do a fresh install to get rid of everything. Between spyware, old drivers, utility apps (QuickFinder, Screen Resolution Changer, etc) and flakey uninstall programs, it just gets to the point where it is physically impossible to maintain a nice working system.

    The windows registry is one cause of this.. it's a huge unmanagable beast, with many ways to have things load and hook in to various operations.

    On the other hand, using it as a business system or for a specialized task where you aren't constantly changing configurations, then you probably have more chance of a long-term install working properly. But I wold imagine most /.ers would fit in the former, here. I sure do.

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  13. Balancing acts with cheap new drives by nick_davison · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For me it comes down to a balance...

    A pile of CDs ($2), several hours of an IT professional's time (mine) spent backing stuff up (3x$30-50/hr), the pain in the ass when you managed to miss something vs. that shiny new hard drive ($80).

    On a straight time and cost equation, it's reached the point where it's now cheaper to buy a new drive and have a complete backup whenever I want one (plus a fully booting system I know at least semi-worked whenever I break my main one). Six months, or however much, later, if I'm sure I don't need that backup version, instead of a bunch of full CDRs, I've got an extra drive for a toy Linux box.

    Then again, the geek factor of getting to fiddle with the minutae kicks in. (Although the extra drives for toy Linux boxes appeal)

    If I'm short of time, buying a new drive ultimately works out cheaper. If I've not met my geekiness quota recently, fiddling's more fun.

  14. Spring Cleaning the Debian way by mcgroarty · · Score: 4, Informative
    Debian users could make good use of "deborphan" and "cruft" for a little hard drive spring cleaning.

    deborphan will show which library packages are installed but not referenced by any apt-managed package. If you're reasonably sure you aren't building any unmanaged packages, you can just "dpkg -r `deborphan`" a couple times to remove any spurious libraries.

    cruft will show all files not recognized by Debian. Capture to a file and filter it through a chain of a few grep -v statements for areas you know you want left alone. You'll get a list of files you can toss in pretty short order.

    1. Re:Spring Cleaning the Debian way by mackstann · · Score: 2, Informative

      Cool, didn't know about cruft. Try "debfoster" too, helps you get rid of all of that crap you installed on a whim and don't use anymore.

    2. Re:Spring Cleaning the Debian way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      #dpkg -r `deborphan`
      bash: /usr/sbin/dpkg: Argument list too long

      Uhh, what now?

    3. Re:Spring Cleaning the Debian way by amoe · · Score: 4, Informative
      Uhh, what now?

      This:

      $ deborphan | xargs dpkg -r
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  15. In the case of Windows ME and XP... by Captain+Beefheart · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...More often than not, it's all those System Restore points that are using up gigabytes of space (unless you're uber and have that service disabled). Just about every time you update a driver, XP will make a restore point for you, even if you don't ask for one. Thankfully, you can make XP get rid of all but the most recent:

    Go to My Computer, right-click on your XP drive/partition, click Properties, click the Disk Cleanup button to the bottom right of the pie chart, click the More Options tab, click the bottom "Clean up" button and click OK. I do that about once a week and free up at least 100MB each time.

    The disk cleanup applet will take care of the majority of system cruft. I don't know why people wipe and reinstall so often, it's really not necessary. When people talk to me about "random .DLLs and junk files" they sound like someone extolling the virtue of the Intel chip because it's more "compatible and stable" than an AMD chip. I.e., locked into stale notions of a computer's capabilities. I would recommend Norton's system cleaning utilites before I recommend a full wipe.

    Mostly, the gradual system slowdown people experience as they add programs over time is due to excess baggage like startup programs and unneccesary services. Check your system tray, hit CTRL+ALT+DEL and check your services list. You don't need WinAmp Agent, Mozilla QuickStart, or anything that automatically starts up anyway when you click on a multimedia file.

    And check out This excellent page for getting rid of half of the services you never use anyway.

    And use BootVis. It will clean up your boot time. Maybe a lot.

    1. Re:In the case of Windows ME and XP... by Captain+Beefheart · · Score: 2, Informative

      I should clarify that BootVis doesn't work with Windows ME (as far as I know). Only works with XP.

  16. Re:Spring Cleaning by Poofat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Russian drives are "purged."

  17. "Real men don't use backups, by akedia · · Score: 4, Funny

    they post their stuff on a public ftp server and let the rest of the world make copies."

    (A quote from your hero and mine, Linus Torvalds.)

  18. Re:More free space != faster, stabler performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    (*) These numbers are true on Unix but less true on Windows.

    This is an important distinction, but Linux/Unix will still have problems when running out of space. Using pipes or applications that use temporary files will be adversely affected on either system if space is low. In any case, 10MB on a modern system is not enough for trouble-free operation. In the case of Unix/Linux, having not enough free space will cause problems with running X, logging, user logins, etc..

  19. Yes! Do it, darnit! by TrekkieGod · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you know what you're doing (as in, not the type of thing that should be posted in an article for novices, although he did include a warning) doing a clean install can have a *much* greater performance advantage in windows--including windows xp. Heck, from what I observed with my computer, I'd do it every 3 months...although every 6 months is good enough for most heavy users and every year should be good enough for the rest of the population.

    The trick is knowing what you want to backup, and making absolutely sure that you have it in places that you'd normally back up anyway. If possible, keep all data files in a separate partition so you can just format the one where windows and the installed programs are. I'd never back up the windows directory (that's where most of the trash that I want to get rid of is), but I changed the outlook directory to "E:\My Documents\mail" (yes, I changed the my documents directory to the "data" partition as well). If you don't have a separate partition, keep a checklist of every directory that you need to backup, and save everything that you would want to backup to those directories.

    The only good time to reinstall the OS is if there is something wrong with it.

    Not really, sometimes there's something wrong with your system and the best way to truly fix it is by doing the clean install thing. Try running adaware and see how much spyware is installed. Then there are viruses...I've never had problems with them, but a friend of mine recently ran a scan and found 9 viruses in his computer, and his only detectable symptom was the computer would lock up often.

    Basically, what I'm trying to say with all this is that, if you're careful, you can safely do clean installs without risking the loss of any data at all, and the benefits are much greater than "reorganizing and defragging". And to those who will undoubtly respond...yes, I know, I've never had the need to do frequent clean installs with my linux partition either.

    One final advice for all you novices who are going to take the risk and do this for the first time. Don't follow these instructions:

    Then you turn your computer off, put the operating system CD into the drive and turn the computer back on.

    For god's sake...don't force your cdrom open when the computer is off. Just turn it on and plop the cd in there first thing, while in the bios screen :)

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    1. Re:Yes! Do it, darnit! by skt · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, seeing as how this article is targeted at the average user, doing a clean install should be left out. As someone else has mentioned, a clean install has no place in any kind of regular computer maintenance schedule for the average user. Now for the rest of us, we won't be reading the newspaper to figure out the best ways to do maintenance.

      As you mention, separation of OS and data using partitions gives you quite a bit of flexibility when doing repairs (OS mysteriously implodes, scanner software kills machine, etc). But, there is an important difference between repairs and maintenance. Maintenance means you are cleaning/tuning a functioning computer, perhaps backing up files, removing stale desktop shortcuts, reorganizing files, etc. This means that your computer is NOT crashing and slow.. like the article says. Repairs are when something bad is happening, maybe your computer's performance is slow or the machine blue screens twice a day.. then you need to restore the machine's state to one in which it was functioning properly.. possibly using a clean install.

      I think they have good ideas for general system maintenance, cleaning the desktop, programs listing, and re-arranging data into one root data folder (after a full data backup). But, they seem to mix two different problems into one story, and giving some irresponsible advice in the process. The article implies that it will be some kind of "spring cleaning" for your computer, to the average reader this means that computer at home they use to check email and surf the web with. Then they go onto mention that the reader should consider a clean install as part of their "spring cleaning" (yes, I know there is a warning, but why even mention it?).

      Through my own experience as a user and computer tech, it is my conclusion that Windows NT-based systems do not need to be rebuilt annually like 9x used to under average use. People who simply use their computers as a means to an end (who are actually a good target for the article), do not install a lot of third-party software. They simply sit in front of their pre-configured machines at home and use the thing. The other types of users are the ones that usually end up doing clean installs of their operating system, those are the ones that like to tinker with their systems. If you know enough to be dangerous, you will be doing this on a regular basis. If you know what kind of software poses a risk to your computer, then you will be able to tinker with your computer for many years without the need for a re-install, providing you are using a modern operating system.

  20. Bachelorettes have the exact same problem by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Similarly, how many bachelor geeks have spent two hours doing dishes on an emergency basis before an important client or, god forbid, a member of the opposite sex is due to arrive.

    Ah, sexism at its best. Believe it or not, a number of my lady friends(ie, bachelorettes), have -exactly- the same problem. Folks, it ain't just guys who procrastinate cleaning up- women are just better at the last minute frenzied pickup :-)

  21. My Method by jonman_d · · Score: 4, Funny

    All I really need for my spring cleaning is some Windex and an extra strong magnet. That should clean out my hard drive pretty quickly, no?

  22. Isn't this stuff common sense to /.'ers ? by Rooked_One · · Score: 4, Funny
    I mean really... whats next - picking your nose for dummies?

    "Ah yes, the picking of the nose - a long practiced art started by arabs for digging sand out of their nasal cavities after those long caravans. The main trick to picking the nose is one simple rule: if it bleeds, you are picking it too much... or not enough."

  23. oops by zumbojo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I opened up my hard drive casing and scoured the discs with a Brillo pad. Turns out that wasn't the best way to clean a HD. Next time I will read the article first.

  24. A bit offtopic: Cleaning the keyboard. by deragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now, how many of you clean your keyboard the hard way, i.e. with a q-tip, trying to go between all the keys?

    Cmon, unscrew your keyboard's upper molding and wash your keyboard under water, no soap. This is what I do and it works well. I have done it last week with my two Logitech iTouch keyboards. They look like new. Yeah, so water spills over the electronics. So what? As long as the keyboard is not plugged while washing it, and that you let it dry properly on a hot dry day (I let them dry 24 hours to be sure), they will continue to work.

    Do not forget, water + electronics is not the problem, its water + electricity (off course, leaving your electronics for months under water, well, it might rust... Don't over do it. :) ) So go on, and clean your keyboards under the sink.

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  25. Re:Stop! Don't Do it. by Arandir · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...and defragging the harddrive.

    I use UFS2 you insensitive clod, I don't need to defrag my harddrive!

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  26. Do it right the first time... by JamesTRexx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I recieved the new laptop from work, I tore Windows 2000 apart into seperate bits and gave each their own partition (4 in total). (and I mean tear it apart at the "core", not just install programs to a different drive/partition) The system part, ie WINNT directory, stays defragged and clean, just like the Program Files directory. And it has proven itself seeing this thing runs 21 hours a day and I've messed with software a lot.

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  27. Re:More free space != faster, stabler performance by frohike · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Your system will run just as well with 10MB of free space verses 10GB of free space.

    This isn't true on Unix either, but for a different reason. See the BSD manpage for tunefs for a hint:

    -m minfree
    Specify the percentage of space held back from normal users; the minimum free space threshold. The default value used is 8%. This value can be set to zero, however up to a factor of three in throughput will be lost over the performance obtained at a 10% threshold. Settings of 5% and less force space optimization to always be used which will greatly increase the overhead for file writes. Note that if the value is raised above the current usage level, users will be unable to allocate files until enough files have been deleted to get under the higher threshold.

    This is one of the reasons why Unix has always had a "reserve space for root", besides making sure things like logfiles can get written even if a user screws up.

    Newer FSes like reiserfs don't have this option anymore (last I checked anyway), so maybe they are more efficient about it. I've never seen any Linux docs make a similar claim, but I'd imagine that however it's implemented having a small amount of free space is also going to force higher block fragmentation.

  28. I Worry About Cleaning My Disk by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Funny

    I mean, supposing Neo is on there somewhere!

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  29. Re:Stop! Don't Do it. by skillet-thief · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I have a box running Win95. I haven't done a reinstall for at least 4 years and it still "feels" fast. This might be due to having Norton system monintoring software that is constantly cleaning up the register.

    My wife's laptop running Win98 (and no Norton) could really use a reinstall, on the other hand. So go figure.

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  31. Try this... by ewhenn · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have a ghost image of my OS with all of the applications I like setup installed and my system configured the way I like it (made after a clean install and all apps reinstalled). I have two partitions, one for data, games, etc., and th other for my OS. Ghost file is stored on the data drive. When things get cluttered, I simply restore the ghost image. I get my system back to "like new" state, the way I like it, and the whole process takes at most 7 mins.

  32. ahem what about hidden IE5 files? by linuxislandsucks · · Score: 3, Informative

    Okay poeple what about hidden IE5 content files?

    On a typical win2kpro install they can take up 8 gigs of a 26 gig hd over 2 years of use..

    to delete tranverse your douemnt and settings folder to your users folder..

    look for local settings folder and enter it..

    the temporay internet files folder then needs opened..

    warning Content.IE5 folder is hidden in here..add the folder to your path url and hit enter

    do not delete foledrs you see..

    enter in each folder and do selct all and move to recycle bin

    repeat until all those pesky folders in Content.IE5 are empty..

    open recycle bin and do select all

    right click on itmes and selct delte..

    choose ok on confirm screen..

    Now your done finally!

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    1. Re:ahem what about hidden IE5 files? by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That wont do it I had 4 gigs of stuff and it seems 300 megs were left, after many attempts at cleaning it properly The only way I could get rid of all the files was by mounting the windows partition under linux and removing all the files from there...

      Just log in as a different user or as the administrator. If you are using a Win98 system then drop to a command prompt at boot and remove the folders. Why in the hell would you ever need to mount the volume under Linux to Remove the folders? Having trouble figuring how people could arrive at this.

      If you are using WinNT,2K,XP, just log in as a different user and rmdir /s "temporary internet files" in your profile or local settings folder.

      BTW, Reinstalling an OS every year is just about the stupid thing I have heard in years.

      The last time I did a 'clean' install was after the completion of a beta where it WAS necessary to remove the beta files for sure. And even this didn't entail wiping the hard drive, just doing a clean install of the OS.

      Apparently some people think that their computer is still running Windows 3.1. Geesh

      Basically cleaning out the startup items or removing crap software is all that anyone should have to do whether their OS is Win95,WinXP/NT or Linux.

      Even on my main testing system, I have NEVER reinstalled the OS, and I do tons of beta testing on it with some really crappy software sometimes (Corel Betas are my favorite for crap installs). But reinstall the OS, I don't think so.

      This article is more than ridiculous. Especially considering the market that it is directed at - basic users. They will lose their settings, and tons of files the have forgotten to back up.

      Silly Silly...

  33. Re:You've got to be kidding by deragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Are you kidding? You have to leave your home, pay a new keyboard ($75+taxes for the Logitech which is equivalent of more than two hours of work), wait in line at the cashier, come back home and open the box. Also, you spend money for the gas, which again you had to work for, thus consuming more time.

    Or, spend 15 minutes washing your keyboard in the confort of your home, listening to music. Also, my way of doing it is much more environmentaly friendly.

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    Remember the year 2000? They promised us flying cars. They delivered the PT Cruiser...
  34. Zero all data on Macs... by berniecase · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Every now and then I'll back up my home directory, and any apps I really need, and then boot off of a CD or another hard drive so that I can run disk utility and zero all data on my boot drive. Afterwards, I either restore my backed up OS (I used to do this mostly on OS9; haven't tried it on OS X), or just reinstall the OS from scratch (I just did this last night with an iMac I'm selling).

    The nice thing about zeroing all data, is that it's the poor man's defrag on a Mac - your data will be written close together when you reinstall it. It's especially good if you use your boot drive for A/V work - you'll end up with large chunks of contiguous space for huge files, instead of those huge files being fragmented.

  35. It's not an overnight thing. by BoomerSooner · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The thing I've seen most people forget is they tend to gloss over how long it took them to learn the first computer OS they worked with.

    Once people know how to use a computer a certain way, they don't want to relearn. I had no choice since my first computer was an Apple //e (as was my second since the first was stolen!). I then learned to use DOS, then Windows 3.1, then Windows 95, then Windows NT, then Linux (Slackware), then Solaris, you get the picture.

    The linux documentation project is the best. Plus just do google searches for your problems. Linux is more difficult to install than windows (newer versions, 95 is a nightmare). However, it becomes quickly easier to use (kind of like OS X).

  36. Hard drive visualization tools help out a lot by LPetrazickis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Steffen Gerlach's Scanner (see also his excellent Borland Delphi-based Civilization clone) and SequoiaView were invaluable back when my hard-drive was a puny 20 giger. I highly recommend you all get them and try them out.

    P.S. Be sure to turn on the colour mode in SequoiaView.;)

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    Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
  37. Re:Keep dreaming by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Man, Slashdot readers sure show their ignorance when it comes to maintaing Windows systems.

    This is at least the 20th post that I've seen which states "all you need to do is clean out your 'startup items' and remove excess software you don't use".

    Ok, so: who can list all of the places an application/service can start from within Windows? (hint: it's more than programs\startup, win.ini, and the 3 or 4 registry keys you may have heard about - and I bet most people don't even realize this much). Ok, so you've nailed all of that. Now, it's time to remove the excess applications - what's that? All uninstallers don't behave nicely? You're finding DLLs from applications you removed that are still in \system32? How can it be??? I asked Windows to uninstall it!!!!

    Yes, it's not as bad as Windows 95 these days. However, the registry just keeps getting worse. Extra and conflicing libraries are still a huge hassle on Windows-based systems. And unless you're intending on auditing, line for line, every registry entry you have (mine's a few megs of binary data, have fun), and checking every single file you have, making sure it's the appropriate version (did I mention you can't check source for most applications, so you really never know what DLL should be there?)....


    Um, certified Windows professional here that has been in the NT beta program since its beginning. Putting me in the 'slashdot ignorance group' is not going to work, especially when you know very little about what you are talking about. (PS your spelling sucks as well) :)

    You have very limited knowledge if you think that an 'uninstalled' DLL that still exists in the system32 folder is going to affect your system. Other than taking up the 32kb of space, it will have NO affect on ANYTHING under Windows.

    In 'modern' Windows there are three basic areas of startup locations. The Startup Folder (including the All Users Startup Folder), The HKEY_CURRENT_USER Run area, and the HKEY_Local_Machine Run area.

    However there are a few extra places that you probably don't even know about that legacy applications can place startup applications, like a win.ini file (although the win.ini files tend to be unique to the software application in Win2k and especially WindowsXP - hence the Windows folder in your user profile that maintains this).

    There is also the load and run areas of the registry under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE WindowsNT - Current Version, etc. (This one tricks most self appointed Windows Know it Alls.)

    But for the MOST part ONLY the three main areas I mentioned above are used unless someone has written an app that is a worm and hides itself in the other Run areas. Software that has been written in the last eight years does not use these other areas anymore.

    And again, with the conflicting DLL problems and where the DLLs should or shouldn't be are NO LONGER a problem whatsoever under Windows2k, and especially WindowsXP.

    You see these 'modern Windows' OSes can put conflicting DLLs with the applications and not even let the application know that they really are not still sitting in the System or System32 folder.

    It is a part of the protection mechanism in WindowsXP. And with WindowsXP, different DLL versions are isolated and can even run concurrently supporting the application that needs whichever version of the DLL it needs. This is all maintained by the WindowsXP OS. A quite nice and impressive feature of the OS that ensures stability and keeps crappy programmers from compromising other applications.

    Geesh...

    If you were a 'real' expert when it comes to maintaing Windows, you would not only have known this, but would only know how to clean out a system (even Win3.1 or 95) without formatting and starting over.

    You know, I am also tired of the ignorance on maintaining Windows from Slashdot readers as well. Your name has just been added to the list. :)

  38. SuperCleaner by supz · · Score: 2, Informative

    I feel I should plug this program, since it's relevant to the topic. It's called SuperCleaner, and can be found here: http://www.southbaypc.com/SuperCleaner/. It does a rather nice job cleaning up random garbage files on your system, however you have to pay to register it, for anybody that might be turned off by that sort of thing. It only cost me a few dollars to register it back in the day, however the price tag has gone up a lot to $32.99.

    Are there any OpenSource/Freeware alternatives to this program, that anybody can suggest?