I wonder if the same equipment would fit on one of these . Perhaps an array of smaller devices?
I wish this would catch on. Assuming they work out the obvious problems with super-high flying aircraft, this might be a neat lower cost alternative to things like this, also something you could take down to make changes to (like upping the capabilities of the hardware, maybe?).
It's hard to settle down with one woman when you've been going through 20 different girls every night, even when that one woman has the advantage of being real and not just an image.
I see where you're coming from, but this returns once again to ethics. We're not just trying to cover our asses legally, we're trying to figure out our tactics on *actually* deterring "copyright infringement" at the party as best we can, without going overboard.
Good point about it being somebody elses battle, but if we do nothing about it, aren't we just helping the other side? We're in the battle no matter what, and we put ourselves there, but doing nothing is almost the same as advocating what one side is doing.
Translation: "I haven't used the word 'plebiscite' in a sentence today!"
I was speaking of course from any corporate viewpoint. Things controversial and speculatively illegal can rarely be taken lightly when business politics are involved. This brings with it a near no-tolerance policy for said things, and this is where our dilemma appears, since we're working with people that are very near to the heart of the controversy. Also, I'm not asking for a vote, but viewpoints on others (namely gamers, opinionated people from both extremes, nuns and clergy). Thanks for yours:D
And this is what it looks like it's going to be: a clever balancing act. Obviously theres going to be something going on, and while it's not particularly our responsibility, we are still charged with creating an environment that discourages "rampant open piracy", and thats what we're trying to do. We're not trying to play corporate cops.
I'm actually relieved that you translated this so well, and you know what we're looking at here. Thanks:D
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Good point. We do realize we can't stop it from happening, but these guys at least make a discouraging environment, and that's directly what we want. Guarding every row now, that tickles. No way anyone would do that.
Well, this is where the other half is coming from.
Some of us are in the same boat as the people we're supposed to be stopping, in that we we're as guilty of downloading as the rest of the world. However, the reflection this would give on the company hosting this doesn't put them in a good light, and that's who we have to think about too, as well as putting on a good show:D
We're not "warez nazis", but we need to keep it legal. I also fail to see how calling this a bad question helps us resolve the situation.
The system is widely distributed (read: international), low cost (read: $20 an hour), with no single point of failure, every person can be replaced if they break down, because it's been factored into the design! They apply the same Zerg mentality to everything!
I'm going to respond to this on a per-idea basis, you write really good responses =D
No, it's not an "obviously exaggerated" statement about New Line, it's the logical conclusion of the whole "I can't afford it, therefore I wouldn't buy it, therefore nobody loses anything if I get it for free." You see, if some group of people decide they can't afford to pay $7 to see a movie, why should they be able to see it for free when the rest of us who can afford it must fork out $7 for the same privilege?
I didn't argue this! I don't know why you're fighting me on ideals that I make no mention of. I agree with you though, I don't know how anyone couldn't. But I do think it's a tad wrong to immediately jump to the conclusion that nobody makes money from movies, music, software, just because pirates exist. The entire population has never believed in any one thing before, or done any one thing. It's never going to get to a time where nobody makes money because everyones a pirate. This is where I drew my basis for this being an exaggeration.
Your proposal sounds more like classic Marxism
I stopped right there, because it was going to run into your argument that I'm somehow advocating true piracy, and that people that can't afford something should get it for free. I didn't say that, I merely made mention of a very select group where this is a reality, and meant it to say that the *IAA shouldn't be using them in their loss reports, since those people never would have seen/heard the product otherwise. Is it still wrong? You bet.
I'll be the first one to admit that I've pirated things the past. When I w--
You're preaching to the wrong crowd, the same applies to me (albeit I'm still in college). I may buy software because it's the right thing to do, but more often than not it's the pride in owning a shiny CD with a non-generated key, and a license to use it.
You took what I said to the exact opposite of where I was going with it, but thats alright. You also made an obviously exaggerated statement about New Line. Since that wouldn't happen, not in your lifetime at least, it's not fair to assume that its going on right now, and everyone is losing money because all pirates are hypocritical bastards that go around laughing in the face of people paying to see movies. It's simply not so, and you said it yourself.
Because someone has no money to allot to entertainment, does not immediately label them a slacker.
Replace "won't" with "can't" and you have my argument. Some people *can't* afford it (news for some), which means they never would have seen it because they couldn't afford to. Extending that line of thinking, they couldn't have supported the work anyway, even if they wanted to. So while they're losing nothing on the ticket sale (read above), the work is being depreciated because said people can't pay to see it.
I was going to download it, but the family uses up too much net access for me to get away with running that torrent all day without getting reamed. I'm going to see it in the theatre when the crowds die down (within two weeks) I don't wanna sit in a room with kids shouting, and babies crying either. Yes, I'm going to buy the DVD (and probably *another* box set when they're released).
However, I made good mention that they weren't the only ones doing it, just that there *are* a number of folks where thats a very real reality (I know quite a number of them, and absolutely NONE of them are slackers in any right). The only reason I made mention of which is because that I've had experience with those people. I agree with your philosophy though.
I do have to laugh at the fact that you made no mention of my expressing and believing in what you're doing in the line right under your quote:
The people that can afford to buy the music and see the movies are the real pirates, but a lot of the folks that do download first, often go out and buy the legit copy afterwards, myself included.
From the site:
"At least two copies of the film, which was first shown in theaters in the early hours of Thursday, have been posted to the BitTorrent file-sharing network -- a new and increasingly popular technology that allows users to download large video files much more quickly than in the past."
First, I love the spin the article gives on BitTorrent. The spotlight on its seedier (no pun intended) elements seems to completely negate any legitimate uses [mybookmarkmanager.com, blizzard.com].
Second, I know this a widely arguable reality, but 16,000 times $8 (a generous ticket price) is $128,000. A drop in the bucket considering the pile (any) movies make. Its an interesting statistic, but a flawed argument (on both sides, I know the number is really a lot greater in this instance) for the proposed "loss in quintillions the movie industry suffers from pirating movies".
A few more opinions (I'm really pissed at this article):
- Yea, pirating is a problem, but like music CD's the people that pirate movies might not have the money or the means to begin with that it takes to go see the movie, or buy the music, legitimately.
- The people that can afford to buy the music and see the movies are the real pirates, but a lot of the folks that do download first, often go out and buy the legit copy afterwards, myself included.
- Perhaps theres something to be said about the expansive overhead that all aspects of movie production have. Nothing like someone poking a hole in your business scheme to provoke some creative thinking. Their solutions thus far, not creative (Read "Sue first, ask questions later, lets attack innovation and defend our archaic business models!")
This argument is tiring. BitTorrent isn't going anywhere, developers continually change how they do things to adapt to the new environment these lawsuits and spun news create, while these businesses still claim to be losing money on all fronts.
I can't wait until 20 years down the road, when he releases the DVD of the AFI program, replacing a 60 year old Lucas with a virile 20 year old version of himself.
There will be space battles, too.
Or, in case you don't live under the veil of terror that the RIAA and DRM brings, and you put the CD in without fear of DRM being installed silently on your computer without your consent (and yes, it DOES install whether or not you accept the agreement), follow my advice.
Of course, mine was made for after-the-fact users that want to get RID of it once its there, instead of being delightfully shafted.
By the way, I bought this CD from my local Target, and nowhere on the CD Case, Plastic Wrapping, Sleeve or Booklet does it say the CD is copy protected.
I'm not sure if this has been posted, nor am I sure if I'm breaking any laws by posting it. If I am, I'm sorry, and before the mods delete this post, its wrong to install stuff on computers without asking, its just common sense.
1. Insert the CD and let the software run if you haven't already.
2. Remove the CD and restart your computer without the CD installed.
3. Enter the Device Manager (Right-click on My Computer-> Properties-> Hardware Tab-> Device Manager.
4. From the View menu, select Devices by Connection, then select Show Hidden Devices.
5. Scroll down and find the device called "SbcpHid", right-click and DISABLE it.
6. Close Device Manager, Windows should ask you to reboot, say Yes.
This will disable the protection, allowing you to listen to the CD using Windows Media Player, you can even rip the songs to MP3 for backup without the garble.
Heh. I haven't read all the posts on this article yet, but I'm sure I'm not the only one thats thinking about this "coincidence"...
Starting at the beginning of the month, and every 4 days since then, someone has been using my friends Visa card to buy Calcium Pills and have them shipped to his house. This is the first time this had ever happened to him.
The people made 3 orders using two different emails addresses. When the first orders arrived at the door, he called the Bank and had them put a stop on his card. There were two more attempts made, and the email addresses where the orders originated (at least the order confirmations weren't bounced back) were then delivered to the police, and our district attorney's office. We have yet to hear from anyone on the matter.
Whether this has anything to do with what has happened is beyond me, but its a little interesting that this happened at the same time.
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I wonder if the same equipment would fit on one of these . Perhaps an array of smaller devices?
I wish this would catch on. Assuming they work out the obvious problems with super-high flying aircraft, this might be a neat lower cost alternative to things like this, also something you could take down to make changes to (like upping the capabilities of the hardware, maybe?).
Either way, great concepts on both parts.
It's hard to settle down with one woman when you've been going through 20 different girls every night, even when that one woman has the advantage of being real and not just an image.
... Lightweight. :P
20?
I see where you're coming from, but this returns once again to ethics. We're not just trying to cover our asses legally, we're trying to figure out our tactics on *actually* deterring "copyright infringement" at the party as best we can, without going overboard.
Good point about it being somebody elses battle, but if we do nothing about it, aren't we just helping the other side? We're in the battle no matter what, and we put ourselves there, but doing nothing is almost the same as advocating what one side is doing.
Translation: "I haven't used the word 'plebiscite' in a sentence today!"
:D
I was speaking of course from any corporate viewpoint. Things controversial and speculatively illegal can rarely be taken lightly when business politics are involved. This brings with it a near no-tolerance policy for said things, and this is where our dilemma appears, since we're working with people that are very near to the heart of the controversy. Also, I'm not asking for a vote, but viewpoints on others (namely gamers, opinionated people from both extremes, nuns and clergy). Thanks for yours
And this is what it looks like it's going to be: a clever balancing act. Obviously theres going to be something going on, and while it's not particularly our responsibility, we are still charged with creating an environment that discourages "rampant open piracy", and thats what we're trying to do. We're not trying to play corporate cops.
:D
I'm actually relieved that you translated this so well, and you know what we're looking at here. Thanks
Good point. We do realize we can't stop it from happening, but these guys at least make a discouraging environment, and that's directly what we want. Guarding every row now, that tickles. No way anyone would do that.
Well, this is where the other half is coming from.
:D
Some of us are in the same boat as the people we're supposed to be stopping, in that we we're as guilty of downloading as the rest of the world. However, the reflection this would give on the company hosting this doesn't put them in a good light, and that's who we have to think about too, as well as putting on a good show
We're not "warez nazis", but we need to keep it legal. I also fail to see how calling this a bad question helps us resolve the situation.
It doesn't surprise me how they have this set up.
The system is widely distributed (read: international), low cost (read: $20 an hour), with no single point of failure, every person can be replaced if they break down, because it's been factored into the design! They apply the same Zerg mentality to everything!
I'm going to respond to this on a per-idea basis, you write really good responses =D
No, it's not an "obviously exaggerated" statement about New Line, it's the logical conclusion of the whole "I can't afford it, therefore I wouldn't buy it, therefore nobody loses anything if I get it for free." You see, if some group of people decide they can't afford to pay $7 to see a movie, why should they be able to see it for free when the rest of us who can afford it must fork out $7 for the same privilege?
I didn't argue this! I don't know why you're fighting me on ideals that I make no mention of. I agree with you though, I don't know how anyone couldn't. But I do think it's a tad wrong to immediately jump to the conclusion that nobody makes money from movies, music, software, just because pirates exist. The entire population has never believed in any one thing before, or done any one thing. It's never going to get to a time where nobody makes money because everyones a pirate. This is where I drew my basis for this being an exaggeration.
Your proposal sounds more like classic Marxism
I stopped right there, because it was going to run into your argument that I'm somehow advocating true piracy, and that people that can't afford something should get it for free. I didn't say that, I merely made mention of a very select group where this is a reality, and meant it to say that the *IAA shouldn't be using them in their loss reports, since those people never would have seen/heard the product otherwise. Is it still wrong? You bet.
I'll be the first one to admit that I've pirated things the past. When I w--
You're preaching to the wrong crowd, the same applies to me (albeit I'm still in college). I may buy software because it's the right thing to do, but more often than not it's the pride in owning a shiny CD with a non-generated key, and a license to use it.
You took what I said to the exact opposite of where I was going with it, but thats alright. You also made an obviously exaggerated statement about New Line. Since that wouldn't happen, not in your lifetime at least, it's not fair to assume that its going on right now, and everyone is losing money because all pirates are hypocritical bastards that go around laughing in the face of people paying to see movies. It's simply not so, and you said it yourself.
Because someone has no money to allot to entertainment, does not immediately label them a slacker.
Replace "won't" with "can't" and you have my argument. Some people *can't* afford it (news for some), which means they never would have seen it because they couldn't afford to. Extending that line of thinking, they couldn't have supported the work anyway, even if they wanted to. So while they're losing nothing on the ticket sale (read above), the work is being depreciated because said people can't pay to see it.
I was going to download it, but the family uses up too much net access for me to get away with running that torrent all day without getting reamed. I'm going to see it in the theatre when the crowds die down (within two weeks) I don't wanna sit in a room with kids shouting, and babies crying either. Yes, I'm going to buy the DVD (and probably *another* box set when they're released).
However, I made good mention that they weren't the only ones doing it, just that there *are* a number of folks where thats a very real reality (I know quite a number of them, and absolutely NONE of them are slackers in any right). The only reason I made mention of which is because that I've had experience with those people. I agree with your philosophy though.
I do have to laugh at the fact that you made no mention of my expressing and believing in what you're doing in the line right under your quote:
The people that can afford to buy the music and see the movies are the real pirates, but a lot of the folks that do download first, often go out and buy the legit copy afterwards, myself included.
Speaking of archaic, lets redo tags, eh? My links from my post:= 49
http://linux.mybookmarkmanager.com
http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=mww000p&v
This time I used preview! =/ sorry everyone.
If this isn't news anymore, why post it?
From the site:
"At least two copies of the film, which was first shown in theaters in the early hours of Thursday, have been posted to the BitTorrent file-sharing network -- a new and increasingly popular technology that allows users to download large video files much more quickly than in the past."
First, I love the spin the article gives on BitTorrent. The spotlight on its seedier (no pun intended) elements seems to completely negate any legitimate uses [mybookmarkmanager.com, blizzard.com].
Second, I know this a widely arguable reality, but 16,000 times $8 (a generous ticket price) is $128,000. A drop in the bucket considering the pile (any) movies make. Its an interesting statistic, but a flawed argument (on both sides, I know the number is really a lot greater in this instance) for the proposed "loss in quintillions the movie industry suffers from pirating movies".
A few more opinions (I'm really pissed at this article):
- Yea, pirating is a problem, but like music CD's the people that pirate movies might not have the money or the means to begin with that it takes to go see the movie, or buy the music, legitimately.
- The people that can afford to buy the music and see the movies are the real pirates, but a lot of the folks that do download first, often go out and buy the legit copy afterwards, myself included.
- Perhaps theres something to be said about the expansive overhead that all aspects of movie production have. Nothing like someone poking a hole in your business scheme to provoke some creative thinking. Their solutions thus far, not creative (Read "Sue first, ask questions later, lets attack innovation and defend our archaic business models!")
This argument is tiring. BitTorrent isn't going anywhere, developers continually change how they do things to adapt to the new environment these lawsuits and spun news create, while these businesses still claim to be losing money on all fronts.
"The low-energy beta radiation from tritium cannot penetrate human skin, so tritium is only dangerous if inhaled or ingested."
So it might make a good candidate for a household battery.
But a lousy sandwich.
No, just his voice =D
I can't wait until 20 years down the road, when he releases the DVD of the AFI program, replacing a 60 year old Lucas with a virile 20 year old version of himself. There will be space battles, too.
Or, in case you don't live under the veil of terror that the RIAA and DRM brings, and you put the CD in without fear of DRM being installed silently on your computer without your consent (and yes, it DOES install whether or not you accept the agreement), follow my advice. Of course, mine was made for after-the-fact users that want to get RID of it once its there, instead of being delightfully shafted.
By the way, I bought this CD from my local Target, and nowhere on the CD Case, Plastic Wrapping, Sleeve or Booklet does it say the CD is copy protected.
I'm not sure if this has been posted, nor am I sure if I'm breaking any laws by posting it. If I am, I'm sorry, and before the mods delete this post, its wrong to install stuff on computers without asking, its just common sense.
1. Insert the CD and let the software run if you haven't already.
2. Remove the CD and restart your computer without the CD installed.
3. Enter the Device Manager (Right-click on My Computer-> Properties-> Hardware Tab-> Device Manager.
4. From the View menu, select Devices by Connection, then select Show Hidden Devices.
5. Scroll down and find the device called "SbcpHid", right-click and DISABLE it.
6. Close Device Manager, Windows should ask you to reboot, say Yes.
This will disable the protection, allowing you to listen to the CD using Windows Media Player, you can even rip the songs to MP3 for backup without the garble.
its real spring cleaning:
when that 6 oz. of dust blocks the blades, and your PSU pops all over the back wall...
true story
Sleep Deprivation? Hell, I haven't slept in days, bring it on.
Heh. I haven't read all the posts on this article yet, but I'm sure I'm not the only one thats thinking about this "coincidence" ...
Starting at the beginning of the month, and every 4 days since then, someone has been using my friends Visa card to buy Calcium Pills and have them shipped to his house. This is the first time this had ever happened to him.
The people made 3 orders using two different emails addresses. When the first orders arrived at the door, he called the Bank and had them put a stop on his card. There were two more attempts made, and the email addresses where the orders originated (at least the order confirmations weren't bounced back) were then delivered to the police, and our district attorney's office. We have yet to hear from anyone on the matter.
Whether this has anything to do with what has happened is beyond me, but its a little interesting that this happened at the same time.