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A Supernova In Red/Blue Plaid, Please
Snotnose writes "The New York Times is reporting that scientists have found a a supernova factory . From the article, scientists estimated that the cluster alone, which contains up to a million stars, probably produces a supernova once every two years. That is a rate 50 times higher than usual in entire galaxies. Stars explode in Earth's home galaxy, the Milky Way, only once in a century.. Sounds pretty awesome.
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That's alot of Blam
From a great distance. Dunno what it sounds like.
Funny describing super-nova creation as awesome - that would seem to be the whole point.
"Most supernovae are industrial accidents."
and calpoly slo rules!
So this actually happened 140 million years ago...
Slashdot is just now reporting on it? News from the 'mysterious future', indeed.
/sig
*Boom*
"We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
From what I remember in Astronomy class, the only known way blackholes are known to form are after a supernova explosion. This can make for an interesting study on blackholes.
Breaking News:
SCO has announced that is has claim to all IP related to supernovae. SCO claims it bought the rights to view and reproduce all supernovae images from NASA back in 1996. Another suit, targetted against the Catholic Church is insurance in case there really is a God that created the supernovae. If so, then God will be part of a future lawsuit.
Being that NASA uses UNIX computers to do much of it's work, SCO is also including IBM, Novell, Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson as defendents in the filings.
Further updates as we get them.
Trolling is a art,
For those of you who dislike the New York Times subscription requirement, here is a link to a google news search of related articles.
Perhaps in the Future, when all these stars have gone supernova, it will be refered to as "The Maw Cluster"
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about a quip involving stellar flatulence and the consumption of inordinate quantities of n-dimensional beans, but it was too nebulous...
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I left my email, my ICQ, and my yahoo chat at the bottom
I sent two emails back in autumn, you must not-a got 'em
There probably was a problem with your sendmail or somethin
Sometimes I scribble email addees too sloppy when I jot 'em
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My boxes is linux too, I'm bout to be a compiler
once I learn gcc,
I'ma go on and compile for hours
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I had a friend lose his Palm over at the airport in Maradonna
I know you probably hear this everyday, but I'm your biggest fan
I even read all your bullshit Linux news and Microsoft's man
I got a room full of your posters and your pictures man
I like the way you sold your ass out too, that shit was fat
Anyways, I hope you get this man, hit me back,
just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan
This is Stan
Dear Rob, you still ain't called or wrote, I hope you have a chance
I ain't mad - I just think it's FSCKED UP you don't answer fans
If you didn't wanna talk to me outside your Linux World
you didn't have to, but you coulda signed an autograph for Matthew
That's my Senior sys admin he's only 26 years old
We waited on a 9600 baud for you,
four hours and you just said, "No."
That's pretty shitty man - you're like his fsckin idol
He wants to be just like you man, he likes you more than I do
I ain't that mad though, I just don't like bein lied to
Remember when we met in Boston - you said if I'd write you
you would write back - see I'm just like you in a way
I never had a clue about shit either
I gcc'd shit with my wife then beat her
I can relate to what you're saying in your page
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My girlfriend's jealous cause I talk about you 24/7
But she don't know you like I know you Rob, no one does
She don't know what it was like for people like us growin up
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We should be together too
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this'll be the last packet I ever send your ass
It's been six months and still no word - I don't deserve it?
I know you got my last two emails
I wrote the @ signs on 'em perfect
So this is my payload I'm sending you, I hope you hear it
I'm on my modem now, I'm doing 9600 baud so fear it
Hey Rob, I drank a fifth of vodka, you dare me to code?
You know the song by Deep Purple or Slayer
its irrelevant by playing on my linux player
while I write some php scripts and play some Dragonslayer
That's kinda how shit is, you coulda rescued me from drowning
Now it's too late - I'm on a 1000 downloads now, I'm drowsy
and all I wanted was a lousy letter or a call
I hope you know I ripped +ALL+ of your pictures off the wall
I love you Rob, we coulda been together, think about it
You ruined it now, I hope you can't sleep and you dream about it
And when you dream I hope you can't sleep and you SCREAM about it
I hope your conscience EATS AT YOU and you can't BREATHE without me
See Rob {*screaming*} Shut up bitch! I'm tryin to code
Hey Rob, that's my senior admin screamin from the comode
but I didn't cut the power off, I just rebooted, see I ain't like you
cause if rm -rf'd we'd suffer more, and then the boxes
Nothing, unless that cluster is where the Star Wars galaxy is. Then it'll prolly sound like BOOOOM. :-)
This was covered two days ago by space.com. They have pictures and good for people who didn't register on NYT.
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The History of the World. (Score:1, Funny)
by Anonymous Coward on 23:58 Saturday 24 May 2003 (#6032631)
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the supermassive blackholes found near the centers of some (most?) galaxies are not (as far as we /know/) formed from a supernova explosion.
If I recall correctly...
Mmmm......sacrelicious.
Although two factories have been built, and ISO certified, they are still looking for a suitable shipping entity with hubs in all five local galaxies. The Domestic Project Manager, Color Supernova Commercial Division, Rich Fortuna, was quoted as saying "All it takes is one damaged-in-transit supernova and this entire circus is history."
Previous attempts at supernova mass production have met with failed rollouts and buyer chagrin. It is hoped that when all seven of these new style star factories are online, 3 and 4 G supernova will be readily available throughout this part of the Universe.
Not even close... better luck next time
Step 2: One alien says, "Imaging a Beowulf cluster of these...."
Step 3: BOOM!
none too soon, to end this caper, eye gas.
Sometimes also known as "my willy".
Seriously, though, what keeps this stuff going? Are all the existing stars around the same age? They must be constantly regenerating to cause all these big booms.
It would be cool if I could blow myself up, then have all my molecules whirl back together to regenerate me. That would be a trip.
There's something fascinating about explosive gaseous objects (sometimes also known as "my grandpa").
"Molest me not with this pocket calculator stuff."
- Deep Thought
I knew it! Those prophetic Gallagher brothers in Oasis predicted the whole thing!
Oh, my bad, that's only for non-subscribers.
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
Too bad those "stars" don't explode. They would make a better sound blowing up than squawking as they do on t.v.
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Anyone else think that this is Kip Durron running around with the Sun Crusher?
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
Does it run linux? ...huh?
Of course, Captain Janeway would tell you that these sorts of things are caused by wars in the Q Continuum...
(Spudley Strikes Again!)
Apparently the New York Times likes to plagarize... Bill Bryson's new book "A Short History of Nearly Everything" devotes a few pages in chapter 13 to Arp 299 and even calls it a "Supernova Factory." Interesting...
Other sites have pictures as well as not needing registration.
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x...read Red/Blue Plaid as Red/Blue Pill?
The Matrix definetly has me...
So that's then 32h times higher than usual. We geeks don't like decimal, right?
-Libertarian secular transhumanist
Obligatory quote:
Barf: What the hell was that?
Lone Starr: Spaceball 1.
Barf: They've gone to plaid.
This was posted on /. about 12 mins. ago and Google already has it indexed and linked at the bottom of the search page from the link in the post I'm replying to - WOW!
Sure, we licensed them to look at an image once.
TNANR, Twitter is not a NASA rep. until NASA pays his retainer fee.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
And without formatting!!! Way to go troll!!!
Sounds like a alpha galaxy (1 crash/bang every 2 years). Our galaxy (the milky way) sounds like beta galaxy (1 crash/bang every 100 years). Hopefully there's a stable galaxy out there somewhere :)
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1. What is the yield of this process technology?
2. Does this yield go up as the process matures?
3. Does Moore's Law apply to supernova production?
4. Can you get a refund/exchange on dud supernovas, or do they just provide firmware updates?
5. Are supernovas legal for use in 4th of July celebrations in states that otherwise permit fireworks?
6. Does the EPA regulate supernovas, or do they fall under BATF?
7. Do you need a CCW permit to carry a concealed supernova?
8. Are supernova futures traded on the NASDAQ yet?
9. Have the Democrats figured out a way to tax supernovas (since they fall in the highest out-go bracket)?
10. Have the Republicans managed to regulate what supernovas can do in the privacy of their own interstellar gas clouds?
11. Can the RIAA/MPAA use the DMCA to sue supernovas suspected of being P2P traders?
Yes, where are the real answers?
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
It's simple. Just replace the "www" in the url with "archive" and you'll never need to register. Of course, you'll have to find the article when you get there.
However, I am sure in not a single one of them, have I done that.
If only I could be arsed to register so I could read the bloody article.
Note: IANAC (I am not a cosmologist)
Big assed star, runns out of hydrogen starts burning helium, gets bigger, runs out of helium, reuns through all the elements up to iron, iron fusion takes energy, dosent give it. Interior of star runs out of energey, heat/light pressure go away, nothing supporting mass against pull.
Now, if the star is less than 3 times our suns size(i think) it kind bounces in, rebounds out in a supernova and leaves a white dwarf star behind.
If it is great er than that, it doent rebound, it keeps going into a black hole.
ALso, black holes may have been formed during the big bang.
Im pretty sure theyll happen anywhere enough mass gets together. Thats why you should really clean out the garage.
All Troll + "offtopic" mods are meta moderated as "Unfair", because you abused the system.
The surprise here is the rate of supernovae going off in that tiny volume. One cluster, one million stars, and a supernova every two years. In our galaxy, we're still waiting for one since the days of Galileo and Tycho, probably an average rate of one every century or so. And this is with Billions and Billions (TM) of stars in our galaxy!
So that is a pretty big surprise. And it is a VLBA result: very cool. (The standard analogy for the VLBA resolution is the ability to pick out Roosevelt's eye on a dime held up in LA while you are standing in New York...)
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Microsoft and AOL just settled their browser legal battle. I'm sure this will be reported on Slashdot sometime around Sunday. Just giving a heads up
Bloody fool, you forgot to format it properly!
Step 4: Profit!!!
This is my digital signature. 10011011001
If it's that easy, then what's the bloody point? You'd think they would put a little more effort into it if they wanted us to register at all.
It's that easy. Besides, can you really trust what you read in the NYT?
How do galaxies get to the point of collision? If the universe began with the big bang that would indicate material being thrown outwards from a source point in pretty much an even pattern. As they continue to go outwards the space between them would increase, not decrease. Now, I know the debate about "are we expanding forever or not" but can someone in a nut shell explain to me what would cause a galaxy to alter trajectory so much as to collide with another - especially after this much time from the big bang? Thanks.
Sounds pretty awesome.
I was going to say, "Sounds like a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there." Then I realized that the frequent huge doses of ionizing radiation would probably wreak havoc on television reception and other things. So maybe it's not even a nice place to visit. And I'm just sure I couldn't live there for very long.
When all you have is an axe, everything looks like a grindstone.
You are truly a marvellous person. I salute you!
Is the NYT the pot or the kettle?
Anyone remember that episode of Andromeda where some evil dictator acquires weapons of mass destruction that can take out entire stars? Maybe that's what's going on there, they're just testing & stuff...
[o]_O
Hmmmm...is it only me who finds it a bit suspicious that it's the New York Times that's reporting this?
The old axiom "fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me" comes to mind.
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NY Times access without having to register:
Username: slashdot.com
Password: slashdot.com
Hopefully that will work for a whole mass of people logging in. Easy to remember. Take that, NYT >:) Pass it along.
The book describes a species of aliens who see in many more colors than we do. One color, commonly found in sunsets, is translated into English as "plaid."
If you haven't read it already, I highly recommend it. It's arguably the best book by one of the brightest authors out there. He's the only author where I can't find anything to quibble about concerning his computer science. [Sample Chapter]
Sounds pretty awesome
Not if you happen to live there....
Fascism starts when the efficiency of the government becomes more important than the rights of the people.
I wonder how you do that.
Given this is an NYTimes story, how can we be sure that some big-name journalist didn't just rewrite the interview of a pulsar that was closer to the scene?
First off the space.com story alternated between calling the galaxy Arp 229 and Arp 299 which totally confused my astronomer self.
.Arp 299 is one of the galaxies calssified as a starburst galaxy, meaning we see lots of star formation going on in Arp 299. People saw how much star formation with ISO and we'll be looking at it with SIRTF after we launch. It's thought that supernovae can trigger star formation by the shocks from the explosion disturbing the gas clouds and making them unstable. Of course the multiwavelength data is needed to test this theory and this radio data combined with the optical and infrared will be a good first start. . . .
BUT. .
Damn.. I was sure this article was going to tell where I can go for torrents now.
I remember when legal used to mean lawful, now it means some kind of loophole. - Leo Kessler
I've often thought the same thing explains the black holes in the middle of the galaxies. It's just a large furnace. All you have to do is give stars a nudge in the right direction, and eventually harness the X-rays and whatnot from the star being crushed as it falls in. There have, in the last few years, been more reports of regions in space where unusual things like this are happening: supernovae or black holes forming at vastly higher rates than normally seen.
Over millions of years, advanced societies will need increasing amounts of energy. Black holes and supernovae are the only ways to supply that energy. They fly around, and gather all the unneeded stars, and coast them towards a fiery and energy-emitting death.
Finishing off this thought, I figure the easiest way to push a star is to build a giant, Dyson-like sphere around it, and have a hole in one end where all the gases must escape.
yo.
A.D. 2001: War was beginning!
P.S.: Best. Troll. Ever.
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You missed one
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I'm probably picking nits here, but doesn't it sound odd to speak of a "supernova factory"? It makes as much sense as a moldy bread factory or a worn tire factory. A supernova is the death of a star after a long life, it makes no sense to suggest that this cluster is stamping 'em out. Better to say that at one time this was a star factory, producing shiny new stars which are/were dying at relatively the same time.
It's right next door to Magrathea.
....Bethanie....
All your base are belong to us. You have no chance to survive make your time.
There is roughly 1 Supernova occurring per second in the Universe. Thats one star pre second exploding somewhere. If our Galaxy has one Supernova per century, that means there's a whole butt load of Galaxies of stars.
I think it's much more likely Star Wars VII: The Empire lays the Smack Down being made. I hear there's a super-duper star destroyer in that one, and it finally actually does destroy stars. The Empire seems pissed....
Kurdt
I'm not anti-social. Just pro-technology.
Stars explode in Earth's home galaxy, the Milky Way, only once in a century.
I thought that was common knowledge.
A programmer is a machine for converting coffee into code.
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For instance, gravitational tides resulting from merging galaxies could change a distant circular orbit between two stars, one a white dwarf, the other a red giant, into an elliptical orbit, resulting in a higher rate of mass accretion from the red giant. By the way, mass accretion happens when a white dwarf steals mass from a nearby red giant. Once it reaches 1.4 solar masses, kaboom.
Hence, if gravitational interactions between merging galaxies causes supernovae, then it promotes a clear case that we should find a high rate of supernova formation in older galaxies. This hasn't been definitively proven yet, but there is some strong evidence to support that. There also may be some other factors, such as the elements that dominate the galaxy, as well as its age.
Quid festinatio swallonis est aetherfuga inonusti?
Africus aut Europaeus?
Debunking the "59 Deceits"
Why is it that if the production rate of supernovae is one ever two years, that there aren't thousands or millions of supernovae in that cluster to be observed?
Bullsheet! The first 2 are wrong. We all know that
4678 B.C.: Sco creates God.
4677 B.C.: God creates the universe with all its content including humans and Linux.
That can't be right. I didn't see no dupes.
As usual, the Astronomy Picture Of the Day has a very nice picture and explination of this.
And as a bonus, today's APOD is one of the kewlest sunset pictures I've ever seen.
M@
Krispy Cream is people
Wow what a great troll. We need to get this troll to write a fucking trolling book so the lame ass trolls can get a clue and the real trolls can get paid :)
Just to be anal because I feel like it today, a plaid is a sort of sash come toga wrapped around the upper body in traditional highland dress. It is a garment not a cloth pattern. The family of cloth patterns used by the highland clans is called tartan. To quote this page:
Originally, the Scottish Tartan was a distinction of rank or position. It was not identified by weave but by the number of colours in the weave. If only one colour was used it depicted a servant, two, a farmer rank, three, an officer rank, five, a chieftain, six for a poet, and seven for a Chief. Eventually, clans or families adopted their own tartan, using a range of animal and earth colours which were frequently secret, only known to the weavers of the islands. They included yellows, blues, whites, greens, browns, reds, black and purple. Some say that a keen eye can identify the colour with a particular island, almost like a wine taster can identify the year and the vineyard.