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Color Sidekick to be Released Tomorrow

Saxton writes "Just announced by hiptop.com's T-Mobile Rep, the awaited Color Sidekick will be available at CompUSA and 1-800-TMOBILE tomorrow. The thread is here. Now available is a data-only plan for $29.99, and you can now use any other T-Mobile price plan with the Sidekick. Anyone meeting me at CompUSA tomorrow morning?" Here is my Review of the Original device, which I still think is among the most useful portable electronic devices I've seen. I'm looking forward to testing out the new version to see what improvements have been made to an already great unit.

221 comments

  1. lol... by REBloomfield · · Score: 1

    it's all ballsed up again :)

    but at least this time it doesn't flash different colours on repeat refreshes....

    1. Re:lol... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually these pieces of shit are in the 600 dollar range. Junk!

  2. SSH? by interiot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd buy one of these things pretty quickly if they could do SSH. Does anyone know if that's working on the SideKick?

    1. Re:SSH? by GeorgeH · · Score: 1

      I've heard that the SDK comes with source and a binary for SSH.

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    2. Re:SSH? by interiot · · Score: 1

      Ahh, you're right, there's several .java files that look like they're an SSH app.

    3. Re:SSH? by jhsewell · · Score: 5, Informative

      I suspect that we may all still have a very long wait until we (non-developers) can install applications on our (non-development) SideKicks.

      Like you, I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for an SSH client for my SK. The fact that the application has existed for months, and that I've played with it on the emulator, and that it appears to be fully functional just makes the wait more frustrating.

      Although the guys at Danger are relatively responsive and appear to be competent, they seem to have an excruciatingly long software developement cycle. Combine this with the closed nature of the SK's operating system and application distrubution mechanism, and I would be suprised if we have SSH running on the SK any time soon.

      As I understand it, Danger must revise and upgrade the SideKick's operating system before you'll be able to install applications. And even after the upgrade, obtaining and installing new applications will never be straight-forward in the same way that it is with PalmOS or PocketPC phones. I suspect that the mass-distribution of applications will require the blessing and cooperation of Danger Inc. to provide the backend equipement for over-the-air installations.

      Hopefully, this color SK will have the needed OS revisions to allow the installation of applications, or better yet come with SSH built-in.

    4. Re:SSH? by Benley · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're very close to the problem, but not quite right on. The best explanation for the reason normal non-developers can't have SSH right now (aside from needing an OS update, which is indeed true), is that T-Mobile has to approve everything that goes out to their customers. This is exactly the reason why app distribution will never be as straightforward as it is with PalmOS or PocketPC phones: T-Mobile is scared to death of this thing (well, sorta.) - in particular, the concern is of 3rd party developers writing apps that access the data that hiptops store on t-mobile's servers (every bit of info you put in the hiptop is stored on t-mobile's servers as well as the hiptop. Yes, this is a Good Thing, trust me) - anyway they don't want 3rd party developers screwing things up and creating tech support nightmares for them.

    5. Re:SSH? by dubiousmike · · Score: 1

      I recently got a , which has a color palm integrated. The link is to the cached page with Google as Samsung's website seems to be /.'d before my posting this.

      I run Top Gun SSH and it rocks.

      With my Sprint plan (It also can be used with Verizon) I get unlimited web connectivity which doesn't eat the minutes of my plan.

    6. Re:SSH? by dubiousmike · · Score: 1

      what, now I am supposed to know html so my link doesn't spread throughout my whole post?

      geesh

      :P

    7. Re:SSH? by FatherOfONe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not trying to start a war here, but why is it a good thing that they mirror all the data on your device with their server? I would prefer the ability to back up that data via bluetooth/80x.11x/FireWire/USB etc to a machine of my choosing. I am not a big fan of anyone having that information.

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    8. Re:SSH? by metamanda · · Score: 1

      So I saw the prototype of the new Sidekick last night. The keys glowed pink, but in the real version they'll be yellow. Well, as far as I know, SSH works on the sidekick, but not for customers. I think they use it internally. They WANT to give it to customers, but they have to deal with TMobile moving much slower than they would like. So my guess is it won't happen soon, but may happen eventually.

    9. Re:SSH? by Benley · · Score: 1

      Well, I suppose it is a very bad thing for anyone who worries about tmobile snooping on them. However, the reason I personally like it (I keep my ultra s33kr3t stuff elsewhere) is because if I accidently drop my hiptop in a toilet, or run it over with a lawnmower, or otherwise destroy it, my data doesn't disappear with it. It's truly great, particularly for someone as scatterbrained as I am - I have lost data many times to PDAs as I never remember to sync them with anything.

    10. Re:SSH? by FatherOfONe · · Score: 1

      I think the real issue is making syn-ing easy for you to use. Specifically if it could be automated to sync every time it found it's source. I.E. 802.11x or bluetooth, and your computer was turned on (max 1 time a day) Obviously, that would have to be an option. That way every time you came in to range of your computer at home (and it was on) it would automatically sync.

      I somewhat trust T-mobile, but the temptation to sell user data is great. The company I use to work for could sell it's user database for around 50 cents a user. We had millions users. Because they are a monopoly, they don't need to, but I am sure if times got tough for them they would sell off stuff like name, address salary range, number of kids etc... (not SSN or credit card info)

      It was a tough enough for the coders not to do a dump and sell it :-)

      Oh yeah, if you or anyone you know has a household income over 75k a year and lived in the U.S.A. and liked to vacation, there is a good chance that their name is in that database...

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    11. Re:SSH? by Benley · · Score: 1

      That's a really cool idea - and I think it's something that will be possible with the hiptop in the very near future. Danger is currently testing some XMLsync code that will let developers get at their data pretty easily, so custom syncing software ought to be quite possible. A friend of mine has the stuff right now, he says he's working on getting it to work with apple's iSync (not that easy, since Apple hasn't documented how iSync works yet). Anyway, 802.11x or Bluetooth are irrelevant in this device's case since it already has a full-time Internet connection via GPRS.

      Oh also, if tmobile decided to sell the sort of data that their users trust them with, they would be in deep shit, since it would not just be demogrpahic information - they've got everything. Email, full address book, aim buddy list, your todo list, calendar, etc. Everything. So... let's hope they are trustworthy.

  3. Color Timekeeper by briggsb · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's all well and good but I'm waiting for this PDA to be released in color.

    1. Re:Color Timekeeper by Tyrdium · · Score: 1

      You mean the Zire 71?

  4. Re:Red Banner by richie2000 · · Score: 0, Funny

    It's the new color sidekick.

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  5. Compusa by cdf12345 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is the compusa page:

    http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp ?p roduct_code=303888&pfp=SEARCH

    It looks like they are in stock and available for pickup in the Northeast US. The price seems high, and they will probably change it to $299 on friday.

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    1. Re:Compusa by Saxton · · Score: 5, Informative

      The fake price on CompUSA, the $608.03, refers to the release date. ;-)

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    2. Re:Compusa by cdf12345 · · Score: 1

      I know, but 1.) I'm lazy
      and 2.) I think people are smart enough (at least here) to figure it out
      and 3.) if they cant...screw em, they dont deserve the color sidekick

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    3. Re:Compusa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I enjoy the line at the bottom of the page:

      Requires Optional Camera Attachment

  6. Re:I like the red title bar by jpsst34 · · Score: 1

    "...that only works in VB."

    Um, I meant "...only works in IE." I dont' know what I'm smoking. Probably Microsoft products. Those things are bad for your brain.

    Sheesh, I even previewed before posting.

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  7. Re:I like the red title bar by slimey_limey · · Score: 0

    But then it wouldn't work in Lynx! You might as well use the blink tag, or even a jscript to flash the text every RGB in sight.

  8. Re:Red Banner by dfn5 · · Score: 0, Funny
    Testing is for limp-wrist Saddam-lovers; real, red-blooded, coalition-of-the-willing men roll to production first.

    Ahhh, I see. The Microsoft development model. "The first screen came up... SHIP IT!!!"

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  9. piccies? by Machine9 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Has anyone got any links to pictures of the device, that is so cool, it provokes slashdotters to see red?

    1. Re:piccies? by beekr · · Score: 2, Funny
      Yeah, here's one of the color sidekick. The sidekick is the one on the right, I believe.

      Much better looking than the old non-color one, definitely.

  10. Re:Not the only bug.. by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 1

    Wait, it's still there, and this story has a palm.

    Damned ugly they are.

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  11. Features I need by Seth+Finklestein · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am boycotting these so-called "PDAs" until they provide the following features.

    1. Integrated 802.11g access. I'm not paying 2 cents per kilobyte for GPRS.
    2. Full QWERTY keyboard including critically important characters such as | and ~
    3. Color screen with a resolution of at least 640x480
    4. Linux operating system with all code open-sourced
    5. Terminal with all GNU utilities and SSH
    6. Priced under $100 with no contract requirement

    In the meantime, I'm sorry but this gets a 2.5 out of 10 on the Seth Finklestein scale of greatness.

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    1. Re:Features I need by Saxton · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...and let me guess: So you can make a beowulf cluster of them? ...and to comment on a couple of your points (heheh) 1. Unlimited Data plan (not .02/kb) and 2. it does include the tilde. We'll have to wait for the release of the version that includes pipe, though. ;-)

      Funny post... but c'mon, give it at least a 3.5!

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    2. Re:Features I need by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      I am boycotting these so-called "PDAs" until they provide the following features.

      Yes, I have also decided to never purchase a PDA :)

    3. Re:Features I need by big_gibbon · · Score: 2, Funny

      And you get a 10 out of 10 on the Phil Evans scale of unnecessary embolding!

      ;-)

      P

    4. Re:Features I need by brianosaurus · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that the B&W Sidekick had huge rebates and price drops a couple of months after release. You could by it for under $100, or even free, though there was still a 1-year contract.

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    5. Re:Features I need by schalliol · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yes, and I would like handwriting recognition, GPS, 8 mega-pixel camera (integrated), waterproof, voice recognition, card slot for ultrawideband, and a toaster too. Oh yeah, needs to be less than $10. Get realistic. This is a phone that can be carried around all the time with you. 1. This is not needed, though better GPRS coverage would be nice, there's no usage charges, it's all you want for one low price. 2. The pipe key "|" is anything but critically important, though you can display it if you want. 3. Uhhhh and you want it what size? Eventually this sort of thing will happen, but the resolution is damn good for the size. 4. Sounds like you want a Linux PDA, there are a number out there, get one. This is not billed as a PDA, it's a phone or communicator. 5. Yeah yeah, would be fun, but again, what's the priority. 6. See the problem is that you want more for less. I only paid $50 for my hiptop (they cost $200 to make) and I do have a service plan, but I understand that you can't make things for free! Good thing that the Seth Finklestein scale of greatness is not a scale anyone but Seth uses! Since you're complaining about this so much, why don't YOU make this thing you are asking for?

    6. Re:Features I need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a terminal doesn't need gnu utilities, a terminal is used to connect to a machine with gnu utilities.

    7. Re:Features I need by Giant+Killer · · Score: 1

      they do make these. they are called 'laptops'.

    8. Re:Features I need by big_gibbon · · Score: 1

      Me :)

      Sorry, I tend to forget that it's not obvious from my nick etc . . .

      P

  12. Re:RED BANNER by cvas · · Score: 1

    It depends on the tone of the review/post. In this case, I'm glad they posted it because I've been very interested in a Sidekick since they were in development, but always put off getting one because of the rumored color model that was always on the horizon. I'd stopped following any news on them, so this is probably the only way I would have found out, for a while at least.

    I thought the tone of the post was fine. It was a positive review without too much brown-nosing. It's also more info about the device than I've gotten from the comments, with over 60 posted almost all of them are complaining about the red banner.

  13. Review by GeorgeH · · Score: 4, Informative

    Cnet has a review at http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-2709830-404-2 1169039.html?txt that goes into more details.

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    1. Re:Review by Chewie · · Score: 4, Funny

      I like that one of their "bad" points is its lack of speakerphone functionality. Since when is this bad? First off, most cell phone speakerphones are total pieces of crap anyway. Secondly, I'm beginning to think I'm the only person on Earth who feels this way, but I'm frustrated enough with one side of some jackass's conversation that I don't want to hear *both* sides! This ranks right up there with those Nextel phones. So instead of hearing,

      "Hey, what's up, John? Not much. I'm in the post office. Buying some stamps. Yep."

      I get to hear:

      *BEEDEEBEEP*
      "Hey, it's John."
      *BEEDEEBEEP*
      "Hey, what's up, John?"
      *BEEDEEBEEP*
      "Not much, man. What's up with you?"
      *BEEDEEBEEP*
      "Not much."
      *BEEDEEBEEP*
      "Where are you?"
      *BEEDEEBEEP*
      "I'm in the post office."
      *BEEDEEBEEP*
      "Why?"
      *BEEDEEBEEP*
      "Buy ing some stamps."
      *BEEDEEBEEP*
      "Do they have the ones with Mickey Mouse on them?"
      *BEEDEEBEEP*
      "Yep."

      What happened to keeping your conversation to yourself? Damn kids.

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    2. Re:Review by GeorgeH · · Score: 1

      I forgot to mention, I saw that review at the difl? Sidekick Blog...

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    3. Re:Review by SeanAhern · · Score: 1

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      Yes, you do.

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    4. Re:Review by technix4beos · · Score: 1
      The BeOSJournal has an interview up with the creator of HipTop Nation, which is THE top website devoted to these HipTop devices.

      Just thought people here might like some insight into the world of a HipTop user.

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  14. flipsheet: a spreadsheet for the Hiptop by leighklotz · · Score: 1

    I've written flipsheet, a spreadsheet for the hiptop, in the Beta SDK, and posted screenshots. It doesn't run on the production device yet, but it will soon.

  15. Is this a good NAV tool? by LorneReams · · Score: 1

    Has anyone used this with Mapquest on the go. How is the resolution of the maps? That would actually be a big selling point for me as I travel to lots of remote areas.

    1. Re:Is this a good NAV tool? by Duwke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They just release a fix so that mapquest comes in very well now. You can actually read names of roads (at least on yahoo maps, which I believe is just mapquest rebranded).
      It is quite useful on the road.

    2. Re:Is this a good NAV tool? by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 1

      If you're in *remote* areas, you won't get the real-time connectivity, unfortunately. Hopefully the connectivity is improved from a year or so ago. Good in some areas, no coverage at all in others (much like some phone service too, but it lessens the usefulness)

  16. huh? by nxg125 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Requires Optional Camera Attachment

    Nice.

    1. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, if you want to "Send Photos**", it requires the optional camera attachment.

      Shit, with you people it's always "Waaaah! My O/S comes with a browser!" if it does and "Waaaah! I have to get this extra software if I want to browse the web. Why can't my O/S just have one built in?" if it doesn't.

  17. Meeting by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Anyone meeting me at CompUSA tomorrow morning?

    No. Have fun. Let's see what you will be getting (from the CompUSA site):

    Full Color Web Browser to Access Virtually Any Website

    Get Your Email & Wireless Calls In One Convenient Package

    Get the Internet & POP3 Email, Send Photos** & Read Image Attachments

    Two-way Text Messaging

    Use Your Existing Screenname for AOL Instant Messenger & AOL Mail

    Wireless Synchronization

    Flip Screen Reveals Qwerty Keyboard

    32MB of RAM

    When I see things like this I think, "why?" Some people need to be this connected, but I think that number is small. For the rest, I wonder why people have a need to stay so connected. Fear of loneliness or lack of feeling important? It seems an antisocial way of being social. For me, I'm happy being alone at times...not only alone but unreachable.

    1. Re:Meeting by Saxton · · Score: 1

      Okay, so you won't meet me at CompUSA, and that's fine.

      I use my B&W SK constantly, and it has nothing to do with a fear of loneliness or lack of feeling important. Talking about a need for connectivity, I was without my SK this and really all technology this last weekend, and had a great time. I use it to chat with my friends when I'm away from my computer or prefer to be outside or doing other things away from my desk. Most of these people I know IRL first. It's also very handy for Geocaching. ;-)

      It's a connected livestyle that I've chosen, but I detach myself every now and then. I think it's rather healthy, honestly.

      -s4xton

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    2. Re:Meeting by SoVeryWrong · · Score: 1

      I've had the original SideKick since launch last October, and it gets a fair amount of use.

      I use it the most while I'm on the bus to work in the morning. I can read the news, send IMs to my fiance, etc. The part I use the most is e-mail, mainly because it's far less obtrusive than a phone call while I'm working, and I hate talking to people.

    3. Re:Meeting by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      For me, I'm happy being alone at times...not only alone but unreachable.

      Yeah, me too. I wish they'd make a way to turn these things off, so you could have the best of both worlds.

    4. Re:Meeting by brianosaurus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've never understood the "why do you want a (cellphone, pda, whatever)? people will bug you all the time" mentality. My mobile phone (which happens to be a Sidekick) is for me to reach people when I want or need to reach them. It has never been a burden on me.

      In fact it has been a tremendous convenience. There have been quite a few times that I've needed to call someone (like to ask my wife which brand of toilet paper to buy... important stuff like that ;), and its nice to be able to do it from wherever I am, instead of having to hunt down a quarter and a payphone.

      And being unreachable is really, really easy: turn off the phone, or mute it, or just don't answer it. I could be "unreachable" at my desk at work (just ask the people I used to work with!). It just requires some amount of self-control.

      If you can't handle owning a mobile phone without feeling like it controls your life, you probably shouldn't own one. Good for you. For those of us who can handle it, its a great convenience.

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    5. Re:Meeting by Misch · · Score: 1

      Deaf people. One of my hard-of-hearing friends has one of the original sidekicks, and she loves it. The phone can be turned up loud enough that it's usable for her. The IM'ing is great too... only problem is that we went out and she ignored me while typing away to other friends on it. :-p

      But, the IM'ing capability is good, especially when combined with the web browser.

      As an alternative, Wyndtell offers similar services, but, heck, you can get the sidekick from them too.

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    6. Re:Meeting by GoofyBoy · · Score: 1

      >nd being unreachable is really, really easy: turn off the phone, or mute it, or just don't answer it.

      Socially, it isn't that easy.

      If people know that its your cell, they expect you to answer it or at least return your call very soon. If you don't, they will feel that you are ignoring them. "Why didn't they phone back? They carry their cell all the time."

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    7. Re:Meeting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The reason that whore is deaf is because I fucked her in the ear with my huge black dick. Further proof that you should never turn your ear on a negro. Ha Ha, get it?

      YEAH! FUCK YOU!! I'm funny, fuck this shit. I'll go eat some fried chicken and wait for my cell phone to ring.

    8. Re:Meeting by Chewie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Train them.

      Seriously, I have a cell phone (or a regular phone) for *my* convenience. I pay the bill, I own it, I use it as I please. If it's someone I don't want to talk to, I don't answer it. The idea that, because you called me, I am somehow obligated to answer the phone or call you back immediately is ludicrous. Worst case scenario, establish a history of "accidentally" leaving your cell phone off, or in your car, or whatever. An electronic leash for work is one thing (they pay my bills). An voluntary electronic leash, on the other hand, is right out.

      Man, I'm not normally this cranky. :-)

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    9. Re:Meeting by Croaker · · Score: 1

      Pretend to answer the phone while taking a dump or having sex. They'll become trained not to expect you to drop everything for the phone.

    10. Re:Meeting by GoofyBoy · · Score: 1


      Suppose that encourages them to call me? :)

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    11. Re:Meeting by brianosaurus · · Score: 1

      If your friends can't handle you occasionally not answering your phone, they have problems. Sometimes you're probably busy. Sometimes you leave the phone in another room. Sometimes you don't feel like answering. They'll get over it. Haven't you ever called anyone's mobile and gotten their voicemail? Did you feel hurt? I sure hope not.

      The problem is that too many people see your mobile phone as a tool for THEM to reach YOU. I see it as a tool for ME to use to reach others. After all, I'm the one paying for it, not them!

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    12. Re:Meeting by GoofyBoy · · Score: 1

      >The problem is that too many people see your mobile phone as a tool for THEM to reach YOU.

      This is exactly my point and problem with cell phones.

      >I see it as a tool for ME to use to reach others.

      ?!? You call someone's elses cell phone. You are now using their cell-phone as a tool to reach them. How is this different from what you stated as a problem?

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    13. Re:Meeting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not buying one (yet...purchasing a house in a month means no free cash just now).

      But I want one. I work at a job with no net connection, but lots of free time. This thing would be perfect.

    14. Re:Meeting by bastion_xx · · Score: 1

      Actually I make it a point to answer my Sidekick or regular phone when working out, which is normally from 5:30-7:30P. Dinner time.

      Nothing better then breathing heavily to telemarketers trying to sell insurance or god knows what. I also like to interrupt with comments such as "woah! my heart rate is now 155, I've gotta stop talking for a few minutes."

      Of course if it's a friend or work calling, I let it go to voicemail before calling back.

    15. Re:Meeting by dgulbran · · Score: 1

      For me, I'm happy being alone at times...not only alone but unreachable.

      Apparently, then, the only difference between me and you is that I learned how to use the power switch on my phone. There is an alternate technique as well called "leaving it at home". :)

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  18. Here's a solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No coverage or mobility criteria? You could just buy a used laptop off eBay, an 802.11g card, and use it to your heart's content in your bedroom.

    You probably don't leave your room anyway, so coverage criteria would have been a moot point to begin with.

    1. Re:Here's a solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bit about never leaving his room is somewhat harsh. I'd like a system like that too.

    2. Re:Here's a solution. by vanillacoke · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Hi! You must be a AOL user. Welcome to the internet.

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  19. Can't sync my contacts? No thanks. by pcraven · · Score: 1

    If it can't sync with Outlook to get my appointments and contacts, I'd have to say no thanks.

    1. Re:Can't sync my contacts? No thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With Outlook, I hope you make an appointment to have your computer totally raped by a virus every six weeks. =p

    2. Re:Can't sync my contacts? No thanks. by pcraven · · Score: 1

      Never have gotten infected by a virus in 10+ years. I've got a Linux box I can pull the mail into as well, but I can't do scheduling with it, so that is a killer for work.

      Yes, I know Evolution supports scheduling, but only if the servers have WebDAV, and for security reasons my company won't enable it.

  20. not impressed by Zebbers · · Score: 1

    id prefer my more phonely nokia 3650, which seems to have all the same features- is already color and has a builtin camera. what os does the csk run? i sure hope its as flexible as symbian/java combo ;)

    and seriouslly,a data-only plan? geeks need lives-not another way to check slashdot :) j/k

    1. Re:not impressed by SoVeryWrong · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is called HiptopOS, it's a Java based OS that Danger rolled for the device.

  21. Re:Not the only bug.. by SilentBob · · Score: 0

    I just wanted to let you know that I know where you got your sig from - I'm a big big fan.

  22. Real review by Espen · · Score: 5, Informative

    How about a review of the new model rather than the old one? Here is one:

    Cnet Color Hiptop Review

  23. Re:Not the only bug.. by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 0

    Great show, one of my top 5 episodes.

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  24. That's very interesting. by rdunnell · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I'm sure all the people that buy one have their reasons too. Fortunately for the manufacturer, I suspect there will be more people buying than explicitly boycotting their product.

  25. Oh, and a correction by rdunnell · · Score: 2, Funny

    you forgot a video adapter capable of running Tux Racer.

    1. Re:Oh, and a correction by Bakaneko · · Score: 1

      And milk and cookies and candy for dinner every day, and a PONY!

      I want a PONY, dangit!

  26. While you're dreaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like it to read my thoughts and come with a pony.

  27. Re:Red Banner by interiot · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It's valid to clean out the noise and get things back on topic since the problem was fixed, but I hope those moderations didn't affect my karma....

  28. Colour Blackberry is better! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.forbes.com/home/2003/06/02/cx_ah_0602te ntech.html

    The new colour blackberry device seems much better,
    Better cell phone
    better formfactor
    Much better security
    more stable
    it runs J2ME but the hiptop doesn't
    and its being sold for the same price!

    1. Re:Colour Blackberry is better! by rit · · Score: 1

      Hiptop is J2ME based. It's a danger API running on a CLDC (minimal J2ME) configuration.

    2. Re:Colour Blackberry is better! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't realize that, I still think the Colour Blackberry is the better product

  29. Why I didn't get a Sidekick by metamatic · · Score: 1

    I considered getting a Sidekick device, but decided not to for one big reason: if I decided to switch from T-Mobile, I'd be left with a paperweight. All the functionality relies on being network-connected with T-Mobile's servers.

    That being the case, they need to make it much cheaper. I'm not going to pay $200 for the privilege of committing myself to using T-Mobile.

    (Yes, I have an unlocked GSM phone.)

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    1. Re:Why I didn't get a Sidekick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Relying on T-Mobile servers is only for the sadomasocists of of the world. T-Mobile's services SUCK. As does their website. Go there with Mozilla....

  30. I'm looking for... by osgeek · · Score: 1

    a unit with the following:

    1. GSM or GPRS
    2. PIM, preferrably Palm OS
    3. BlueTooth enabled

    Anyone know if these things are available in any products? Any product roundup reviews worth pointing to?

    1. Re:I'm looking for... by brjndr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sony Ericsson P800.

      Color, bluetooth, GPRS, and a PIM (not palm though, uses symbian os)

      I have one, and I had a sidekick before. Biggest problem with Sidekick was its phone functionality sucked. It was so hard to hear people, reception wasn't that good, dialing wasn't easy, espicially when you were in a car.

      P800 doesn't have a keyboard, but can regcognize input from a stylus ala grafitti. I just wish they'd come out with a little bluetooth thumb keyboard for it.

    2. Re:I'm looking for... by osgeek · · Score: 1

      Oh, excellent piece of hardware!

      Thanks for the tip.

  31. web proxy by exhilaration · · Score: 1, Troll
    Check out my comments on the Hiptop forum about the B&W version and the responses that were posted.

    I was going to get the B&W unit until I found out (from reading the message boards) that websites have to be "supported" by Danger in order to display on the Sidekick. In other words, if you go to an unsupported site, you get a "sorry" error mesage on your screen. Then you e-mail Danger and ask them to add the website, but people on the boards have complained that AFTER A YEAR it hasn't happened.

    This matters to ME because I want to be able to view my own web pages. If I'm running Squirrelmail or Horde on my cable connection, there's ZERO guarantee that I'll be able to use to Sidekick to access it.

    Since Danger is continuing to make users rely on their servers for EVERYTHING (including syncing your contacts and calendar), I doubt that this has changed.

    My Nokia 3650 will arrive in a few days - free after rebate from Amazon. For the money, that's the best "smart phone" out there.

    1. Re:web proxy by mahlen · · Score: 2, Informative

      While i guess there's no _guarantee_ that particular websites will work on the Hiptop, my experience over the last 3 months is that the vast bulk of sites work great. The only sites that haven't worked are ones that rely on JavaScript to do everything useful in the site.

      My advice, if there's a small number of sites you're most concerned about, is to post a list of them on the hiptop.com board and ask people to try them for you. Or go to a T-Mobile shop and try them yourself.

      To clarify, it's not like you have to be on some Danger-approved list or anything. The sites i run all work fine.

      Personally, my Hiptop has been life-changing the way that my first Palm was. Does it always work and do everything exactly the way i want, everywhere? No. Is some mobile web/email with a real keyboard better than none? Hell yeah.

      mahlen

      "Perhaps it IS a good day to die! I say we ship it!"
      --From the "Top 20 things likely to be overheard from a Klingon programmer"

    2. Re:web proxy by pHDNgell · · Score: 1

      All of my web sites work with my wife's. Including squirrelmail (although she has trouble sending due to some javascript problem, she does use it to read her mail during the day).

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  32. Great business tool by cgenman · · Score: 1

    My roommate's company communicates internally via AIM. Much of their product can be configured over a Web Browser (given access codes), and many meetings happen over the phone. And, of course, support issues are brought up via e-mail. In short, except for an empty chair nobody would know she was working from the beach or the waiting room at the doctor's office. With SSH support, she would have no reason to actually be in the office, and could work from the middle of a cafe or (more often) traffic.

    I on the other hand would use the browser capability to find resturants, movie times, and driving directions. If I had one of these on me, I would have recieved a job offer via e-mail on Tuesday instead of Wednesday. AIM, AOL Mail, and Texting are useless to me (One company that I contract with uses Jabber, but that's it), but that doesn't mean they aren't viable functions.

    Whether or not you need such connectivity all of the time is very different than whether or not such connectivity would be useful. If the screen was good enough, such a device could replace all of the maps in your car for the entire western world, could be used on vacation to check your e-mail to coordinate things back home (or do telnet over e-mail), or whatever you need.

    Quite frankly, the better question is "why not?" When cellular phones were originally released, people looked at the normal house-based usage patterns and asked why anyone would need such a thing all of the time. "That's what answering machines are for," they said. Now people coordinate expeditions and friends as if they were available anytime. The sidekick could be used, for example, to check for speedtraps as you drive, or even better to track the locations of officers that day. Anytime http allows for reading online documentation about the computer that is sitting broken in front of you. You can post to a board for a group of people instead of trying to call them individually. You could look for interesting things to do in the city while you are still in the city and not after you have returned home. Or you could just read the BBC while sitting on the bus.

    Sounds good to me. When does that number-portability thingie kick in again?

    1. Re:Great business tool by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      With SSH support, she would have no reason to actually be in the office, and could work from the middle of a cafe or (more often) traffic.

      And when she runs into me and I throw her cellphone/pda/whatever ubergadget into a river, she better be ready to shell out $300 for a new one and however much it costs to fix my car. The last thing we need are people using ssh during traffic, cell phones are enough of a problem. Use it in a cafe, fine, but in traffic? People have been shot for less here (seriously, though this is Texas...) While it may be convenient for you, it sucks for the 100,000 other people who have to share the road with you. Just say no.

  33. Is Sidekick a Niche Product? by WC+as+Kato · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not trolling, but how are people using the Internet portion of the Sidekick? I can see people using the phone function but the T-Mobile prices are pushing unlimited Internet access. I understand the need for accessing the web every now and then while away from the desk computer but do you need so much wireless Internet access that you need a flat price for it?

    I don't see myself using $30/month worth of wireless Internet on a small screen in addition to a broadband connection. So is this a niche product or am I missing something?

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    1. Re:Is Sidekick a Niche Product? by daviddennis · · Score: 1

      I broke my Sidekick by stepping on it accidentally, so I no longer use it. I didn't want to buy the monochrome version again because the screen is a bit hard for me to read. (The text is very small but clear, but there is horribly low contrast which I think the colour will fix).

      Before I started having trouble with it, I found it extremely useful. When I had lunch, instead of bringing a book book for me to read, I could catch up on my favourite web sites. If you consider that I was chomping through expensive books like candy, you can see how the monthly fee is actually pretty cost-effective - especially if you want a cellphone anyway, but don't use it much.

      If you get lost somewhere, you can use the Mapquest or Yahoo Maps through your Sidekick to reorient yourself. Or if someone's sent you an address or directions, you can put them into the SideKick and have them available while you're on the road. You can do this with a laptop computer too, but it's pretty clunky compared to the convenience of a pocket device.

      The only downside, and the reason I'm not as enthusiastic about the sidekick as I was hoping, is that reception here in LA has gone from bad to horrible to non-existant. If it weren't for that, I probably wouldn't have been able to resist re-buying it even at $300.

      As it is ... well, let's hope they've done something to improve reception on the new unit.

      D

  34. not 2 cents per kB by Trepidity · · Score: 1

    If you read the linked site (or the official page for the previous version), it's unlimited flat-rate data, in strong contrast to the norm in this industry.

  35. Subscribers by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    I think the issue is that for this story, everyone was (for some reason) falsely marked as a subscriber, and got to see the article during its "preview" period.

    I believe subscribers see the pretty red articles for EVERY article that is posted, 10-15 minutes before us mortals do. Note that back when the article was red, there was also a "Report any errors/problems with this story" link that I've never seen before and disappeared when the story became green.

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    1. Re:Subscribers by mobileskimo · · Score: 1

      Yes it appears so, as so many /.'ers have been pointing out. However, it our duty as /.'ers to be paranoid about marketing ploys and devious contraptions, and to holler foul at the slightest wink or discoloration. Trecherous your words are to calm the public with such empty logic.

      Yeah, I think more than a few people used that "Report error" links.

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  36. Borland Sidekick by cpopin · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've had color Borland Sidekick since the 80's.

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    1. Re:Borland Sidekick by GoofyBoy · · Score: 1


      Thats the TSR dos program which had like a calendar and stuff? :)

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  37. I enjoy the BW sidekick, but color... by wwwssabbsdotcom · · Score: 1

    ...Id upgrade depending on the price. I paid $75 for the BW version so I would pay another $100 for the color screen, more memory and the higher res camera. I only use it for wireless mail and web, and never bother with the phone function since I have a nokia 5100 cheapie which works fine. I will go with the rumored ($30 unlimited data only, $0.20/min pay as you go cellphone) option. We'll see, wouldnt buy it from compusa since they're a bunch of boobs, unless there's no where else to buy it from than the boobs.
    Either way, its not for everyone, comes in handy here and there and was cheaper than a Tmobile or Siemens sx-56 for $300-$600 and no unlimited internet.

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  38. SSH? Try harder... by cgenman · · Score: 1

    With unlimited data plans, I can't wait for the first developer to get VoIP working.

  39. Scale? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After doing a little research, Google, etc... your scale carries no weight.

    1. Re:Scale? by Seth+Finklestein · · Score: 0

      Here's how the Seth Finklestein scale of greatness works.

      1. Michael Sims
      2. Windows 3.1
      3. Iceberg lettuce
      4. Leather pants
      5. Beer
      6. Star Trek marathons on TNN
      7. Hot chicks
      8. Winning a Usenet flamewar
      9. Winning the EFF Pioneer Award
      10. Me, Seth Finklestein (best)

      So the Danger Sidekick is better than Windows 3.1, but not as good as iceberg lettuce.

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  40. Does this thing support SSH? by cnelzie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All the Sidekick would need is an up to date SSH client that supports SSH1 and SSH2. That feature alone would make the Sidekick the most valuable UNIX and other Real Network Admins (Cisco Router/firewall network admins.) gadget available.

    I haven't heard nor have I been able to locate any information regarding an SSH client for the Sidekick, has anyone else?

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    1. Re:Does this thing support SSH? by rit · · Score: 1

      I'm running one now.

      It's available to registered developers, as part of the SDK, complete with source.

      Very useful, although they use blowfish for the algorithm. It's a bit heavy for a small device like the sidekick.

      With a good GPRS signal though, it kicks ass.

  41. Another semi-redundant "I'd buy one if.." by wulfhound · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Likewise, only I'm more in the market for:- 1. a hard drive (or wait until Flash gets so cheap I can put 2GB+ in the thing). Being limited to one or two MP3 albums' worth of expensive Flash memory sticks is not acceptable. 2. programmability. I don't care if the OS is Linux, but it certainly wouldn't hurt. If the OS is Linux, I don't have to care about the number of keyboard keys or the bundled software as I know they kbd can easily be remapped and new s/ware installed. However, at the minimum, it has to allow the development of apps that can access the local filesystem, TCP/IP and whatever I/O the machine supports (I suspect the gaming-oriented Java VMs included with "smart" phones lock out some of this?) 3. a usable-quality colour digital camera (I'd buy at 320x200 and stills-only, but would prefer 640x480 and motion capture). 4. a high-enough resolution screen for readable-but-ugly text at 80x25. 320x200 *just* scrapes by as acceptable there; in any case it's hard to build much more than that in to such a small form factor. 5. reasonably quality (better than your average cellphone) external connectivity for audio I/O, preferably on standard 3.5mm connectors. I'm starting to get frustrated with what I see as a lack of innovation with regards to integrating this stuff.. we all know it's possible with current technology. Right now, I carry around a semi-smart (actually pretty dumb) phone, an iPod and a small digital camera. Each of these has probably 85% of its components and weight (casing, screen, battery, mobile CPU, buttons, connector jacks, memory) in common, so it MUST be possible to build something like this that's no more than 30% bigger and heavier than a new-style iPod. I suspect it may in part have to do with the cellphone companies having rather stringent rules on what can connect to their networks.. I don't suppose they'd much like their protocol stacks running in the same address-space as any old code.

  42. Spendy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    T-Mobile Color Sidekick Wireless Web Browser Phone

    CompUSA Price: $608.03

    http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp ?p roduct_code=303887&pfp=SEARCH

    Ouch!

    1. Re:Spendy! by TomHandy · · Score: 1
      I have to assume that would be the price if you bought it without a service package. Usually there is some sort of discount if you buy it and activate it with a service plan at the same time.

      Otherwise, that price seems way too out there, even with a color screen. It puts it right in line with the prices of the latest color Treo and the various PocketPC phones.

      The Sidekick is supposed to be more of a consumer item, and there is just no way that price could be right, in terms of expecting its target audience to pay that much for it.

      Aside from that, a $300-400 premium just because of a color screen seems like too much, even if it's the best color screen ever made.

      -Tom

    2. Re:Spendy! by TomGroves · · Score: 1

      That is an internal code for when the product will be released.

  43. Colored Sidekick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, let's get something straight. We're called African American assistants for the Comedically Challenged, not some honkey name like Colored Sidekick. What does a brother have to do to keep from being oppressed by the man?

    -Chris

    p.s. You might have seen my work in this movie or the sequel. I think you'll agree that I was more than just a Colored Sidekick.

  44. Why the bitchslapping? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I refuse to believe people wasted so many mod points knocking down every single post here pointing out the red banner. My feeling is that for whatever reason (error or some kind of nerfarious intent) Michael posted this as a pre-done piece (hence the red), and saw all the posts about it.

    Red-faced and furious, he started ticking off all the posts and threads to be slammed down to -1.

    Does that make sense? It seems like that's what happened. Let's see how long it takes for this one to be slapped down as "Overrated".

    1. Re:Why the bitchslapping? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I refuse to believe people wasted so many mod points knocking down every single post here pointing out the red banner.

      People? No, editors. They have unlimited mod points, you know. Some editor/slashcoder fucked up (which gave appearance to the red banner in the news article) and then, after realizing it, modded everyone discussing it to -1 so that the fuckup wouldn't be visible in normal discussion. Yeah, it is offtopic, but this fuckup is quite a lot more interesting than the actual 'news'.

  45. Perhaps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    You should let this "Michael Sims" thing go and get on with life.

    Rating "Winning a Usenetflamewar" above "Hot chicks"?! That proves my original post!

  46. How to get pipe. by mahlen · · Score: 1
    Forum thread on how to get a pipe character.

    Basically, you can make a macro that will write out any Unicode character, so pipe is available (as pointed out elsewhere, tilde is on the keyboard).

    mahlen

    Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when he is called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason. --Oscar Wilde, British playwright, poet, and novelist (1854-1900)
  47. After 1 year, then what? by interociter · · Score: 1
    Last year on the way to Comic Con San Diego, the guy sitting next to me had a pre-release Sidekick. I asked him about it, as it was the coolest PDA I'd ever seen. He gave me a quick demo, and I spent the next 90 minutes pestering him with questions. I've been watching the product closely ever since, but still haven't traded in my VisorPhone. As long as my existing phone works, I'd need a pretty compelling reason to upgrade.

    For those of you who bought the original Sidekick, I have a few questions:

    • Danger claim unlimited data for one year. What happens after one year? How much does data cost then? I don't want to suddenly find out that it costs me $2 to look up a map online.
    • How is coverage now? I've heard mixed reviews, including one poor sod who couldn't get coverage in downtown San Francisco. How is T-Mobile's coverage now? How is coverage outside urban areas? The last thing I want is a cell phone that doesn't work when I leave home.
    • One major reason I'd been holding off on the Sidekick is the lack of third-party applications (Vindigo kicks ass, yo). The Sidekick SDK was finally released in March. Has anyone used it? Is it any good? Are applications being developed and released? How about installation? How do you install apps if you can't sync with a PC?
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    -=What do I want? I'm an American. I want more.
    1. Re:After 1 year, then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the new plans, as long as you pick an unlimited data plan, (which cost as much as the first plan), you can have unlimited data forever.

      Cheers.

    2. Re:After 1 year, then what? by jafuser · · Score: 1

      How is coverage now?

      The first month or so after I got my SK, I was disappointed to see no coverage when I went home to visit my parents. At some point, they must have installed a new cell in that area (between two smallish-sized towns), since I get a nearly full signal there now.

      I don't follow the forums often enough to know the answers to your other questions...

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  48. I actually own a Sidekick and...... I like it.! by TheNarrator · · Score: 1
    I've had a sidekick for about 4 months and I like it. Sure the phone isn't the greatest but I got it for super cheap thanks to an amazon rebate offer and am quite happy with it.

    I like the PIM applications a lot. They are very well designed

    The tiny camera was great until I Broke it :(

    I love the web synchronization. I can go to the tmobile web site and see all my pim data from my sidekick there. I can edit it and it is instantly synched with the phone which is very very cool.

    Keyboard is great for typing.

    Email app is great and can view attachments

    Web browsing actually works. I can look at slashdot, quote.yahoo.com, maps, google, etc. No javascript but I read news all day while walking around town. The fonts are actually readable without a lot of zooming and horizontal scrolling.

    AOL instant messenger works well.

    I get unlimited data for the first year!

    As a phone this thing is a bit of a drag, mainly because T-Mobile has such lousy coverage but when it works its awesome.

    I had a Zaurus. It just wasn't that usefull and the fonts were way to small and this 802.11 stuff barely works even if you get a plan. Sidekick reformats pages so you can actually read them on its screen. Anyway.. Go get one they are worth it, especially with all the rebates I got.

  49. My experience with the original Sidekick by raygundan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is a handy, useful device if you need mobile connectivity. I've liked using mine-- the IM client is a very usable adless implementation of AIM. No group chats, but that's no big deal. The web browser is fairly capable, helped heavily by a recompressing/reformatting proxy on the server-side.

    Where it loses out is as a PIM-- the calendar has a very limited number of entries, and sync for the calendar and address book is only one-way. You can import your records from Outlook, but there's no getting them back out. Sync was expected Q1 this year, but hasn't materialized yet, so I wouldn't bank on that feature.

    The Java SDK is cool, but so far there is no way for developers to actually put code on users' devices. So, although lots of great apps have been written, they can only run in the emulator.

    And finally, while I really like the way the device was designed as a whole, whoever is assembling the device is not doing them justice. I am on my 4th unit in 6 months. Some folks at hiptop.com are on their 8th unit. For a device that hasn't even been available for a year! I'm hoping that they have fixed their issues with the release of the color unit, but I would wait a few months before purchasing to see how they're holding up.

    I like the unlimited data plan, and I'll be keeping mine. It's great as a wireless IM client and to check webpages (but their proxy doesn't like games.slashdot.org), just don't expect it to be everything they list in their features list. It's like a video game-- it got released before it was ready, and it's going to be a while before all the patches get put in place. And don't expect it to last more than 2 or 3 months. Fortunately, they've been good about shipping replacements.

    1. Re:My experience with the original Sidekick by jafuser · · Score: 1

      I've still got my original device from the month that it came out. It's got a few scratches, and the "Open" label is even beginning to wear off from my thumb pressing that spot so often, but other than some dust and scratches, it's still working just as well as it did I got it, if not better (due to the update a while back)...

      I do wish they'd do updates more often, and maybe ditch the crappy games that come with it for something more useful like a basic calculator...

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  50. That would be great if... by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

    ..TMobile didn't suck. I had two of their phones on their family plan for a year. Lousy coverage areas, shoddy service (like losing the signal while downtown in the center of their coverage area in my region), and HORRIBLE customer service. I would not do business with them again if they paid me. It got to the point where we almost had to call the BBB.

  51. Cell Speakerphones are great for by jerryasher · · Score: 1

    a) letting the 3 & 5 year old talk to grandma, and that lets me translate from 3year old speech to 75 year old speech and fill in the gaps.

    b) placing the phone down and getting back to coding when you are placed on hold again.

    Don't think about crummy behavior in public with cellphones. Think about cellphones replacing wired phones. The only reason I have a landline is because I cannot find a cellphone with acceptable voice quality, yet. But speakerphones are almost a must have....

    Also, chewie, you're a lucky guy to have so little to get frustrated over. But you may wish to lay off the caffeine.

    1. Re:Cell Speakerphones are great for by Chewie · · Score: 1

      Well, fair enough.

      First point, that's probably true. I don't have kids, but definitely a good application. Second point, a headset would do that for me (if I didn't feel like a split between helpdesk weenie [I don't like being reminded of that year] and think-i'm-impressing-you yuppie), but to each his own.

      As far as cellphone vs land-line, I'm with you. Especially since telemarketers can't call cell phones. Whenever I move, I probably won't have a land line (unless I move to Hooterville). I also admit my real beef with cellphones is in fact the behavior of most users, but at the same time, I don't like to encourage bad behavior with features that make it easier.

      Finally, yes, yes I am pretty lucky. However, you can have my Penguin mints when you pry them from my cold, dead, still trembling post-mortem fingers. :-)

      PS, I still hate Nextel.

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  52. oh well by zogger · · Score: 1

    Not avaialble my area, outside flat rate coverage zone. sigh. I keep waiting for something to appear that is effortless internet access,I just do not want to have to buy extra cables and wires and cards and software voodoo the system to get to the dang internet, want flat rate, add the phone as you need it at a reasonable cost. This deal looks "close", real dang close, but not...quite...there yet because it's only in the same places that already have broadband and a huge choices of hardwired or wireless stuff. I couldn't even see if you could attach this to a laptop or desktop easy, which is another requirement, vast majority of time that's how it would be used for my purposes.

    I use this whole cellphone/landphone/computer deal 99% internet, 1% voice. I frequently don't use the 600 anytime/anywhere minutes a month on the phone, but have to stay locked into a landline dialup, THAT never gets used for voice phone service. I WANT the cell because it's portable,say if you breakdown so bad you can't fix it yourself on some remote road or something, etc, and I don't need the dialup telephony or it's associatedbill at all, just some sort of data pipe to the internet, but that must come bundled, which fries my grits. Extra 35 clams a month on top of the net access bill of 20 clams so you can use the net at slow speed. Ridiculous.

    I'm greatful I have it though, it's just sort of frustrating.

    And their website (t-mobile) makes ya use javascript and eat cookies and have images turned on just to surf around in it. Hate when that happens, you'd THINK with a product like this they would have a low res text only no BS blinkenlights version of the site to USE with their own products. Maybe it's there, but I'm not seeing it.

    Maybe what I want they don't even make. all I really want is some sort of dumb but functional wireless, cell phone coverage area internet appliance, if it does phone calls, swell, it doesn't need all that other jazz, I don't need games, schedulers, robotic carwashes, text messages, or anything like that, I'll sacrafice that for seamless wireless internet,at some sort of modest rate that's fair to both parties, a decent data transfer rate, because it's tiring to wait for this imaginary broadband and to pay for a landline phone you never use. If they can leave all that other stuff off the appliance and only charge 1004 for it, swell, I'd get their device and wireless data, but, not even avaialable here.

    Oh ya, it has to run linux or blah blah blah, I don't care, just sell me that last dang mile wirelessly and EASILY with no crap attached to it, for a reasonable fee, that's good enough.

    Notice how my needs keep dropping?? hahahaha!

  53. You left out: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    7. Must be able to download songs from iTunes Music Service for No more than $0.25

  54. I learned from the old one by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't break out the champagne just yet. I've been a SK owner since it was released in October and the device is truly a lemon. I'm on my third one right now and on my second SIM card. I'm not even up there with the real lemon owners. Others at the official forums http://www.hiptop.com/forums/ have gone through six to eight of these things.

    The B&W was only $200 and was a gamble back in October, but I'm afraid Danger and T-Mobile have shown their true colors since. Very poor customer communications, promises of software still go unfulfilled - this device won't synch with any PIM and the telnet/ssh client simply hasn't happened. Development is closed to only a handful of people and will probably be a long while until a new app has passed the t-mobile/danger censors. They really don't want you to run anything that *might* even disrupt their setup. Sadly, still no basic calculator.

    The new device sports a color screen and some more RAM. Big deal. QC could still be a problem and at $300 its competiting with much more complex devices like PocketPCs, high-end Palms, etc.

    This seems more like a stop-gap measure to stop selling the lemon B&W unit to save their reputation and not scare away new customers. Hopefully, it'll work, I wish them no ill-will, but what about the rest of us stuck with this lemon? Eventually an upgrade price will be announced, but of course that means another 12 month contract. Fool me once...

    1. Re:I learned from the old one by bastion_xx · · Score: 1

      Word up.

      I bought a SK the day they came out. Love it for some things, hate it for others. We bought one for work too to replace an aging blackberry. Problems with the SK:

      1) SIM? SIM? SIM? -- woops, lost carrier (full signal strength), have to reboot

      2) Flash dots - woops, temporarily lost connection, then regained. SK won't log in, have to reboot.

      3) Danger servers down - A couple months ago the servers were down and no email was being delivered. T-Mobile: well, if it doesn't get fixed in the next 72 hours, call back. Me: WTF???!!!

      4) Piss poor hardware quality - As mentioned, I have two of these guys (on-call pager). Set side by side, they will both have different signal strengths, sim card errors, etc.

      The good thing is that the data is stored on the server. Swap your SIM to a new SK chassis and a few minuters later (okay, more like 30 minutes) and you've got all your data. Mind you the phone settings are still default, but hey.

      Overall it's a great idea and I still like the ability to whip it out and surf, but the limited service area and problems do indeed make this a lemon.

      I'll wait until my contract is up then switch to another carrier. Hopefully the number portability laws will be in effect by then!

  55. Alas the Internet connection is not always on :( by tungwaiyip · · Score: 2, Informative

    If only this device can deliver always on connection it would be a great gadget. Being an owner of the first version of Sidekick, however, I was disappointed on the connectivity. The problem in San Francisco Bay Area is Cingular's poor radio signal. The device frequently lose sync with the server. To resync it often takes one to two minutes. Everytime I click a hyperlink it may fetch in a reasonable amount of time or it may take many minutes. You are not going to enjoy web surfing given the unreliablity. I have adapted to the problem of this device. When I use it usually I have a book on one hand and the sidekick on the other hand.

    And if you leave the device on overnight and you want to check the weather next morning. Chances are it has already lost sync. Wait another few minutes for it to get connected again. Sometimes you have to reboot the phone altogether in order to get connected.

    Wai Yip

  56. Re:Red Banner by interiot · · Score: 1
    Okay, let me explain:

    Slashdotters need to be able to talk about slashdot-specific issues every once in a while. Not as much as with kuro5hin, but at least a little bit. And I strongly strongly feel that these posts shouldn't be marked down offtopic because there is nowhere else that these discussions can take place.

    The reason I felt this was a "meta" issue is that the parent's-parent post was marked down to -1 in a very short span of time, something that usually doesn't happen unless the post is intentionally offensive. This seemed to me that an admin did it, which as I pointed out would probably be productive to the community, but I thought it should be pointed out and discussed at least a little bit since I've never heard of it.

    I don't know if it's the general community consensus or the admins who mark these meta discussions down, but either way I think it's quite opposed to the open ideals most of us typically have...

  57. He's not kidding by leighklotz · · Score: 1

    >People have been shot for less here (seriously, though this is Texas...)
    Last time I was in Texas, at the zoo there was a sign that said "Please leave your weapons outside the zoo."

  58. Re:SSH? (Handspring Treo does) by SlashChick · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Handspring Treo 300 ($199 at Amazon.com) can do SSH via Top Gun SSH. It also has the benefit of using the Sprint PCS network, which is much larger than the T-Mobile network and runs at 128K instead of 19.2K. (The difference is huge.)

    The really cool thing about the Treo is that you can hook it up via a USB cable to your laptop and get Internet access anywhere you have a Sprint PCS connection. This means that you can be on the Internet pretty much anywhere without worrying about wireless hotspots. (Treo Central has more information on this.)

    I'd pick the Treo 300 over the Sidekick any time. It's cheaper, works on a network that has much greater coverage, and can run any applications that run on Palm OS. With the laptop connector, it's a no-brainer.

  59. Re:SSH? (Handspring Treo does) by coldwd · · Score: 1

    I dunno man, the Treo brings images of Michael Douglas in Wall Street on his "cell phone".

    The form factor seems to be just too big.

    --
    "I wish I had a Kryptonite cross, because then you could keep both Dracula AND Superman away." --Jack Handy
  60. Sidekick is decent device with some negatives by RedX · · Score: 2, Informative
    I've been using the B&W Sidekick since the day TMobile released it. It's a great little device, but there are a few areas where it is really lacking (as some others have mentioned).

    Cons
    -The phone is still awkward to use after 8+ months of use, and the audio quality of the phone is pretty poor.
    -The lack of Outlook synching is a major negative for me and I'm sure many other business users. Danger seems to be of the opinion that this device is for kids and hip twentysomethings that don't use corporate email.
    -T-Mobile's network coverage really sucks even in areas where they supposedly offer solid coverage. It's funny that most of the time I can maintain a solid signal at home or at the office, but almost 20% of the time I get no signal in these exact same places.
    -The devices are very fragile. I'm on my third unit. The first had a major screen crack within a week of purchase even with no drops. The second just inexplicably lost receiving ability and had to be replaced.
    -Too bulky to be pocketable. This one isn't a big deal to me, but it is quite thick for pocket carrying, and there is a real lack of beltable carrying cases on the market.
    -No email filtering. My Sidekick access multiple POP3 accounts, and there's no way to separate those into separate folders, they are all just dumped into the Inbox.

    Pros
    -The easiest data entry on a portable device I've used. I've used just about every type of PDA on the market, including the Treo, Clie, and Zaurus with keyboards, and nothing comes close to the Sidekick keyboard.
    -Web browsing is outstanding. None of the WAP that most portable devices offer, this is a full-fledged browser that works great in most cases.
    -Portable email works very well. This sort of goes along with the ease of data entry point above, but it's as easy for me to email from my Sidekick as it is from my desk PC. And as long as co-workers don't read email headers, they don't know if I'm at my desk or on the road with my setup.
    -It's always connected. No need to engage a dial-up connection. Just open the browser and you're pulling down data right away. And email is always-on and checking for new mail.
    -Very affordable. Comparable hybrid PDA/phone devices are hundreds of dollars more. The B&W model even got below $100 after a few months.

    I'm not a heavy phone user, so the Sidekick has worked well for me. I basically view it as a portable communications device rather than a phone or PDA. It's not a great phone, it's not a great PDA, but it is a great all-purpose device. If only they could get Outlook synching to work, I might consider upgrading. As it is, I'll be looking at other devices once my contract runs out.

    1. Re:Sidekick is decent device with some negatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Re: mail filtering... there's a setting in the POP account dialogue for 'folder', which is where mail popped from that account goes.

  61. Re:SSH? - Colour Blacberry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Blackberrys have SSH and Telnet apps running on them, why not give it a shot?

  62. Re:SSH? - Colour Blacberry by interiot · · Score: 1

    Blackberries cost 150-200% what a Hiptop does, no?

  63. a site that doesn't work..... by raygundan · · Score: 1

    If you want a site that doesn't work, try games.slashdot.org. Weather.com had glitches, too.

    It's far from perfect, but it does a decent job.

    1. Re:a site that doesn't work..... by mahlen · · Score: 1

      Yes, I've had problems reading articles on /. as well. As far as I can tell, sometimes the article.pl barfs when viewed from the Hiptop browser. But i think that's an error on the part of the /. server, not the Danger proxy. I could be wrong on that, though.

      mahlen

  64. Re:SSH? - Colour Blackberry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually no - the new colour product being released in Europe and soon in the US actually costs the same as the Hiptop - $299

  65. Re:oh, of course they'll mod it down as overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh I bet you don't get to even metemod their moderations. Especially the bitchslaps like this one.

  66. WRONG. (mod parent down) by sfgoth · · Score: 1


    was going to get the B&W unit until I found out (from reading the message boards) that websites have to be "supported" by Danger in order to display on the Sidekick. In other words, if you go to an unsupported site, you get a "sorry" error mesage on your screen. Then you e-mail Danger and ask them to add the website, but people on the boards have complained that AFTER A YEAR it hasn't happened.


    This is just plain WRONG.

    The Sidekick does not have a "valid-list" of websites. I use my sidekick to check the temperature of my hot-tub at home, which is available on a web page I wrote. I can assure you, I didn't have to ask anyone at Danger to "support" my webpage.

  67. Cool Device by hseikaly · · Score: 1

    I got to play with one of these things at the last CTIA... I think its a really awesome device.. I haven't really played with the old Sidekick, but the screen on the new one is pretty sharp with a nice res... I surfed over to some sites and the image quality on it was excellent... it was like looking at a laptop screen... The construction seemed solid enough for me... I thought it was one of the coolest little gadgets at the show...

    The service seemed fairly fast on it (web and IM), but then again, they was probably a T-Mobile cell blasting at it in the next to the booth...

    If I wasn't stuck with VZ and their crap phones, I'd consider getting it!! :)

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    Sigs are for losers::
  68. Re:Alas the Internet connection is not always on : by leighklotz · · Score: 1

    I've found coverage to be great whenever I'm on vacation -- it seems to be just worse here in the Bay Area than other parts of California even. Maybe the ATT/Tmobile sharing agreement will help (dunno).

  69. Re:SSH? - Colour Blacberry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually the colour BlackBerry will cost the same as the colour Hiptop

  70. Upgrades available by leighklotz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Upgrades are now available, for roughly $299+tax depending on how long you have been a T-Mobile subscriber.

  71. Only one person in the car? by Sunnan · · Score: 1

    What kind of dinky little car is that you're used to if someone writes "in traffic" and you assume she's driving? Ever hear of car pools, buses or trains?