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Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of Penguin Computers

Pii writes "News.com is running a story about Penguin Computing acquiring Scyld Computing, a company founded by Donald Becker, of linux ethernet driver and Beowulf cluster fame. Becker will stay on as Penguin's Chief Technology Officer, and the companies claim they don't expect any layoffs as a result of the merger."

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  1. Beowulf cluster by MoonFog · · Score: 4, Funny

    The topic alone makes the next 100 posts redundant..

    1. Re:Beowulf cluster by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Yes, but since somebody still has to say it, "Just imagine a beowulf cluster of these!"

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      They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.
      Ben
    2. Re:Beowulf cluster by tuanjim_2001 · · Score: 1
      Do you really think that will stop people though?

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      "If a quarter is two bits, then a dollar's a byte." -R Deric Miller
    3. Re:Beowulf cluster by travdaddy · · Score: 5, Funny

      The topic alone makes the next 100 posts redundant..

      I'm just glad the cluster isn't in Soviet Russia.

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      Adidas To Bring Back Sneakernet
    4. Re:Beowulf cluster by MoonFog · · Score: 1

      Naah, I guess we'll see both Beowulf, Natalie Portman, "Yes, but does it run Linux" and all the other qoutes we've come to know and love.
      This is /. after all..

    5. Re:Beowulf cluster by tuanjim_2001 · · Score: 1
      True there, but everyman has got to have a dream. Or fantasy for that matter.

      --
      "If a quarter is two bits, then a dollar's a byte." -R Deric Miller
    6. Re:Beowulf cluster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i think he meant ported, dick sucker.

    7. Re:Beowulf cluster by the_consumer · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      where a Beowulf cluster imagines YOU?

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      "If you're thinking what I'm thinking, you're right." -
    8. Re:Beowulf cluster by Pii · · Score: 5, Funny
      Goddamn...

      I was so excited to be submitting a story involving a Beowulf cluster, that I didn't think the concluding statement through...

      It should have read:

      Pii writes "News.com is running a story about Penguin Computing acquiring Scyld Computing, a company founded by Donald Becker, of linux ethernet driver and Beowulf cluster fame. Becker will stay on as Penguin's Chief Technology Officer, and the companies claim they don't expect any layoffs as a result of the merger. A naked and petrified Natalie Portman was otherwise occupied, and couldn't be reached for comment. Hot Grits, Hot Grits, Hot Grits!"
      A pox on me for not having had the discipline to execute this story correctly.
      --
      For those that would die defending it, Freedom
      has a sweet taste that the protected will never know.
    9. Re:Beowulf cluster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      1) But hopefully it will lead to

      2) ???

      3) Profit!

    10. Re:Beowulf cluster by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      I think that now we're supposed to write the factual headline.

    11. Re:Beowulf cluster by ThePyro · · Score: 0
      I'm just glad the cluster isn't in Soviet Russia.

      My Beowulf cluster IS in Soviet Russia, you insensitive clod!

    12. Re:Beowulf cluster by los+furtive · · Score: 1

      Freedom to swallow whatever is rammed down our throats? Amen to that!

      No, I'm not a coward.

      --

      I'm a writer, a poet, a genius, I know it. I don't buy software, I grow it.

    13. Re:Beowulf cluster by Fluid+Truth · · Score: 4, Funny

      But...but...what about the obligitory

      "Can you imagine just ONE of these?!?"

      --
      Apparently, of the rich, by the rich, for the rich.
    14. Re:Beowulf cluster by Jonavin · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I just modded your post as being Redundant... not that I thought it was redundant, but I thought that it was funny to mod it redundant. .... which makes this whole post redundant ....

    15. Re:Beowulf cluster by jinglecat · · Score: 0

      Can someone tell me what a Beowulf cluster is? I can't find the answer on Ask.com

    16. Re:Beowulf cluster by Graspee_Leemoor · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the information- everything makes sense now and I am no longer confused.

      How lucky I am to have such clever people to clear up my misunderstandings!

      P.S. How did you guess that I suck dicks? That was also very clever of you.

      You should become a detective or something!

      graspee

    17. Re:Beowulf cluster by Jellybob · · Score: 2

      And ironically you also managed to make your modding to redundant a redundant activity, due to your redundant mentioning of how you modded a non-redundant post redundant.

      (And if that gets through the lameness filter, I will personally eat your hat. 5 times to ensure redundancies)

    18. Re:Beowulf cluster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, in Soviet Russia, it's only a single processor.

    19. Re:Beowulf cluster by wo1verin3 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      but what about a beowulf clus..... n/m

  2. Good. by Usquebaugh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Prehaps now they'll have enough time to get the DEC Tulip driver working 100%

    1. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'd settle for a 100% working rtl8139, minus the becker attitude.

    2. Re:Good. by emo+boy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      PRE haps they will! :)

    3. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, people will say Becker is a great guy for creating a free driver and helping people without charging but...

      This post hit it right on the head.

      His attitude sucks!!!

      I've had to deal with him several times and it's like asking to get kicked in the balls.

      Plus the guy has never admitted to a bug in his dam code once.

    4. Re:Good. by Pii · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I've never had any personal interaction with Mr. Becker, so I can't really comment on his attitude, but I have been running various flavors of Linux for the past 8 years, all of which have had Ethernet cards of one sort or another.

      Far more often than not, they've performed flawlessly, and I have Don Becker to thank for it. If you use Ethernet on Linux, you're either using a driver developed by Mr. Becker almost entirely on his own, or you're using a driver kludged together by someone else that is almost entirely derived from Mr. Becker's code.

      I didn't even realize he had any affiliation with the Beowulf project until I read this story... I'd only known of Becker as Mr. Ethernet on Linux.

      --
      For those that would die defending it, Freedom
      has a sweet taste that the protected will never know.
  3. Layoffs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...the 2 workers at each company were relieved to here today that their jobs were no in jeopardy.

    1. Re:Layoffs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "..to here.."?!? isn't there a requirement to be literate before you post?

    2. Re:Layoffs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least he got "their" correct.

    3. Re:Layoffs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taco? Is that you??

    4. Re:Layoffs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'their jobs were no in jeopardy'. That's MacTaco to you, Jimmy.

    5. Re:Layoffs... by MyHair · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...the 2 workers at each company were relieved to here today that their jobs were no in jeopardy.

      However, they are very concerned about the announced 10% in staff reduction.

    6. Re:Layoffs... by Old+Wolf · · Score: 1

      The worst effect might be that Becker's email address will change AGAIN.

      In fact this gets me thinking: thousands of people (or more?) have registered domains for personal use (joe-bloggs.net etc.), to post info about themself and to provide an email address that will never change. Why not have a TLD for this purpose? (eg .per (for Person(al)))

    7. Re:Layoffs... by pokeyburro · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't be a problem. I just got some email from somebody who claims they are experts in staff enlargement. I'll forward it to them.

      --
      Lately democracy seems to be based on the skybox, the Happy Meal box, the X-box, and the idiot box.
    8. Re:Layoffs... by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Why not have a TLD for this purpose? (eg .per (for Person(al)))

      They do. It's called .name. You can only register in these two formats:

      john.doe.name, doe.john.name

      If you've got the TM for a fictional character, you can use, say:

      harry.potter.name, potter.harry.name

  4. Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by dspyder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just curious (in a serious way), is anybody actually using a beowolf cluster for anything important? Anything that couldn't be done with a super-powerful single machine?

    --D

    1. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by iwnbs · · Score: 5, Funny

      I used one to try to install Gentoo in under week.

      --
      Computer Geek Proverb: Linux is only free if your time is worthless.
    2. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by gnuadam · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To ask that question is to miss the beauty that is beowolf.

      Few things (anything?) that can be done on a beowolf can't be done on a single multiprocessor machine. But if your problem is well suited to a beowolf approach, it's often much cheaper.

      --
      You say :wq, I say ZZ. Why can't we all just get along?
    3. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by jat850 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, a local Canadian university is using a Beowulf server in their new bioinformatics research program:

      Here it is, and if you browse around the page, you can see a few details on it.

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      the me that you know is now made up of wires
    4. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by Achoi77 · · Score: 1
      Anything that couldn't be done with a super-powerful single machine?

      Yeah, it's called affordability.

    5. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by paitre · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Protein folding, for starters.
      The point you're missing is that a beowulf class supercomputer is -MUCH- cheaper to put together than some "super-powerful" single machine (forgetting that most of the -really- big machines are themselves clusters of a sort).

      Money played (and plays) a rather large role in the whole COTS supercomputing arena :)

    6. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Funny

      I do, but my coworkers don't know it yet. They still wonder what that Mosix tarball does in their home directories ...

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      "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
    7. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by codeguy007 · · Score: 1

      We helped Dnet crack the 56bit key.

    8. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by Dan-DAFC · · Score: 1

      Just curious (in a serious way), is anybody actually using a beowolf cluster for anything important?

      Yes, I'm using one as part of a thought exercise to improve my imagination.

      --
      Suck figs.
    9. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, a local Canadian university is using a Beowulf server in their new bioinformatics research program:

      But there aren't any local Canadian universities.

    10. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by gosand · · Score: 1

      Not yet, but I did check out ClusterKnoppix the other day. Quite the impressive little CD it is.
      download it!

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      My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.

    11. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by drgroove · · Score: 1

      Yes - NASA is using Beowulf clusters.

      Beowulf at NASA/GSFC - Earth and Space Sciences Project - NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
      http://beowulf.gsfc.nasa.gov/

    12. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by spaic · · Score: 1

      The National Supercomputer Centre in Sweden use multiply Linux beowulf clusters as well as supercomputers like the SGI Origin 3800. The fastest Linux cluster places 51 among the 500 fastest computers in the world.Monolith consists of over 200 PC computers. Each computer has two Intel Xeon processors at 2.2 GHz, 2 GBytes primary memory (ECC DDR). They're all used for research and development.

      The advanages of clusters is allot of power at low cost. How well they perform compared to ordinary supercomputers depends on the task.

    13. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by pyros · · Score: 1

      I built the first one at the Institute for Advanced Technology, they've since built two more. Saves them money over using time on the Crays at the Pickle Research Campus.

    14. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by gearheadsmp · · Score: 1

      Or you could just install the i686 binaries and do 'emerge -e world' with distcc setup on your network, and it it would be up and running faster than you can take your system completely apart and put it back togethor again (about 90 minutes for me).

    15. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by jstott · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Just curious (in a serious way), is anybody actually using a beowolf cluster for anything important? Anything that couldn't be done with a super-powerful single machine?

      Yes. I do Monte Carlo simulations of photon transport. Because Monte Carlo simulations are naturally parallel, running on 12 computers (1GHz CPU each) means I finish in 1/12th the time. Simulations like these (where each CPU runs independant of all its neighbors) are pretty much a textbook problem for Beowulf clusters.

      -JS

      --
      Vanity of vanities, all is vanity...
    16. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by Old+Wolf · · Score: 1

      What speed improvement would you get from , say, 12 250MHz machines vs. 1. 3GHz P4 (with hyperthreading etc.)

    17. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by monopole · · Score: 1

      Of course, We have 5 mini-clusters running real time stereoscopic rendering for our 3d displays. Each cube renders a separate perspective with a dedicated video card. We even have Quake II running in 3d without the need for glasses.

    18. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by commodoresloat · · Score: 1
      is anybody actually using a beowolf cluster for anything important?

      Does using the cluster to gain notoriety on slashdot count as something important?

    19. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by smithysrise · · Score: 1

      Yes, we we have over 25,000 CPUs of Linux clusters performing seismic analysis (not beowolf, strictly).

    20. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by sjames · · Score: 2, Informative

      They're definatly being used for things that are important. They're also well represented in the Top500 list.

      It's worth noting that the super-powerful single machines all use multiple CPUs as well, it's just that their interconnect hardware is different (generally custom, proprietary, and expensive).

      There is nothing you can do on a Beowulf that absolutely can't be done on the custom machines, but the custom machines are generally at least 10 times more expensive. There are problems that the custom machines can tackle that you can't do on a cluster (yet).

      The real question is more along the lines of can you afford to get the custom machine, and will the factor of 10 price difference buy you anything . (Sometimes, the answer to both is yes). In that sense, if budget is limited (and whose isn't?), it may be that they can by virtue of actually being able to afford the cluster at all, but not the single machine.

    21. Re:Anyone actually use a beowolf cluster? by DJ_CEO · · Score: 1

      Hello Monopole, can I learn more about what you are doing? I am consider deploying a cluster as visualization componentry for the surround cinema/scientific vr theater we are developing at http://www.obscuradigital.com. thanks. gregdeocampo@acceleratedservers.com

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  5. Becker rules by Giant+Ape+Skeleton · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I remember one of my earliest Linux experiences involved trying to get a gateway PC with one of those weird generic 3Cxxx based integrated NICs working with Debian (my first distro).

    I posted newbieshly to a Debian NG and amidst the flames and RTFM's, Donald Becker actually took the time to provide me with the solution.

    This experience encouraged me to continue learning Linux networking, and the rest is (obscure) history.... :-)

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    The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.
    1. Re:Becker rules by Etyenne · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yep, I second that. Don Becker is one of the most accessible kernel hacker I know of. A colleague here exchanged a few email with him concerning a misbehaving NIC (D-Link DFE-530TX rev A3-1) and he was really helpful. Considering this man earn a living consulting, I think the free help with troubleshooting from his part was very generous. He really have the quality of his driver at heart.

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      :wq
    2. Re:Becker rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I smell a new ekrout-type troll here. This story is just way too good to be true. I also looked at some of his other posts and they all play off of the popular opinions and thoughts of slashdot. None of his posts are particularly informative or interesting yet he seems to attract positive moderation. I smell somebody building up Karma for a huge flaming later on. The really high id number clinches it for me.

    3. Re:Becker rules by El · · Score: 2

      Agreed, Becker is a gentleman and a scholar... and I don't think most people realize how many of the Ethernet drivers he has personally written...

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      "Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney

    4. Re:Becker rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mr. Becker is the best. Many years ago, when PnP was
      new, I had 2 machines with a defective bios that did not work with a certain nic. Donald took the time to make a workaround for the broken bios. Neither the bios manufacturer, m-b maker, or dealer would accept responsibility. This patch is still part of the kernel and I use it today, 7 years later!

    5. Re:Becker rules by DonGar · · Score: 1

      I remember his helping me get a cheap clone of an NE2000 card working on my 386sx.

      At his prompting, I did some very minor driver tweaking. I was struting for weeks because I'd not only 'helped' a real linux developer find a problem with an obscure card, but had written linux kernel code!

      Even if all I did was tweak some compile time parameters by following explicit instructions.

      I also remember being stunned that that 386sx was so much faster (opening xterms, etc) than the room full of Sparcs in the nearby lab. It took me a while to realize that it had everything local, but that they were getting most of their filesystem through NFS.

      --
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    6. Re:Becker rules by torpor · · Score: 1


      I've got to second this.

      When I was researching the setup of Earthlinks first modem pool (waaaay back when), I was considering using Linux with Cyclades cards as cheap terminal servers ... only I needed great network support, and we had 3COM cards, only. Hey, it was just me and Sky, Cyclades cards were cheap, so were Linux boxes.

      One thing led to another and I had a thread or two with Don Becker about this, and we eventually ended up getting Livingston Portmasters instead, but I will say that Don Becker definitely is a professional master of his trade whose helpfulness has definitely prolonged my memory of this fateful discussion well into the years...

      I'd say he's definitely one of the 'guru' types whose influence on my life has been substantial, even if it were brief.

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      ; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
  6. Imagine by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 4, Funny

    A Beowulf cluster of resurgent troll jokes.

    1. Re:Imagine by greg_barton · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Ah, I member Natalie Portman well.

      Want some hot grits?

    2. Re:Imagine by dkragen2002 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ummm, wouldn't that be redundant? We already have /.

      Dave

    3. Re:Imagine by Old+Wolf · · Score: 1

      Me too. Unfortunately, the words 'Portman' or 'grits' seems to be an instant trigger for "Offtopic" or "Troll" moderation. I guess everyone with a sense of humour has left Slashdot

    4. Re:Imagine by greg_barton · · Score: 1

      I guess everyone with a sense of humour has left Slashdot

      Nah. It's the lameness filter.

  7. Imagine! by SPiKe · · Score: 4, Funny

    A Beowulf Cluster of Beowulf Clustering Companies ... shenanigans.

  8. wow by PukkaStoryTeller · · Score: 2, Funny

    imagine a beowulf cluster of beowulf clusters

  9. Yep... by Ron+Harwood · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here's one at my workplace...

    What takes hours on this system could take weeks on a "super-powerful single machine".

    1. Re:Yep... by B5_geek · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's too bad you didn't choose to use that Beowolf power to run your web server.

      --
      "The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." ~Plato (427-347 BC)
    2. Re:Yep... by SoSueMe · · Score: 1
      • Since we are running the two schedulers LSF and RMS some of the data may be slightly incorrect.
      • Job stats count towards the month in which they were submitted. This can lead to a month having over 100% utilization.
      • The utilization percentage is based on the theoretical maximum number of cycles for a cluster.


      Or, they could use the cluster to get accurate Stats.
  10. Oh yeah? Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Imagine a Penguin cluster of a Beowulf Penguin cluster of clusters of Penguins and Beowulfs surrounded by clusters of Beowins and Pengowulfs which are then clustered together into a nice, neat, little cluster.

    Betcha can't imagine that. So there!

  11. how by Ryan+Stortz · · Score: 4, Funny

    How do you rate the article as troll?

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    Bugs are just features that have been fixed.
  12. Clusters, a ridiculous liberal myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Have you ever heard clusters mentioned in literature prior to 1960? No? That's because liberal scientists invented the concept of Beowulf Clusters to push their hippie Communist principles through false benchmark numbers telling us the pervasive lie that sharing resources evenly is the most efficient method. Don't buy it.

    1. Re:Clusters, a ridiculous liberal myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally, someone who sees through the bullshit! Is it any coincidence that "Slashdot.org", being one facet of the liberal controlled media, keeps pushing the concept of beowulf computing? Hell no. Liberals have turned this once proud, white nation into a multi-ethnic powderkeg of terrorism and violence. Their supposedly "progressive" thoughts on society have degraded our good Christian values and brought us such atrocities as abortion, women's rights, and allowing indians to vote. Quit this hotbed of anti-American, liberal terrorism and join your fellow true Americans at any one of the many independent right-thinking web sites out there. Sites like NewsMax and Free Republic provide factual, unbiased news and opinion all the time. The kind of thing you never see on the liberal controlled mass media like Slashdot, CNN, Fox News, etc.

    2. Re:Clusters, a ridiculous liberal myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh.. but in a beowulf cluster most of the machines have equal capabilities.....

      lobotomies, anyone?

  13. lay-offs by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the two companies don't expect to lay off any staff, a representative said

    Right, so they'll have 2 PR divisions, 2 marketing divisions, ... The key word here is "expect". My former company's management didn't expect layoffs either, but funnily enough they did 6 rounds before sinking completely.

    This said, Donald Becker is cool, Penguin Computing is cool (I toyed with an alpha box from them for a while and I was very inpressed), so I reckon the result should be uber-cool.

    --
    "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
    1. Re:lay-offs by gmack · · Score: 3, Informative

      divisions? The 2 companies combined only amount to 35 people.

    2. Re:lay-offs by BlueShades · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right, so they'll have 2 PR divisions, 2 marketing divisions, ... The key word here is "expect". My former company's management didn't expect layoffs either, but funnily enough they did 6 rounds before sinking completely.

      If you read the article, you would have seen that both companies are keeping their perspective names and business model the way it is. The only thing that is merging is the cluster technology on their systems to compete against bigger companies. Doing this, both companies will most likely create a department for testing the clusters on their hardware and providing hardware, software, and support in one bundle to the customers. By trying this move, the company can brag about selling everything you need for extreme computing.

      It reminds me of the Oracle radio commercial:
      We have the violinist, pianist, and the guitarist.

      In this case: The Penguin, The Wulf, and The Beast

    3. Re:lay-offs by SoSueMe · · Score: 1

      So, it's a cluster of clustering companies?

      Ooops, I couldn't resist.

  14. Great.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    it's only a matter of time untill the goatse.cx posts show up on the front page...

    Other headlines to show up soon:

    1. In Soviet Russia, hackers hack YOU!
    1. All your base are belong to us, says RIAA
    1. Insensitive clod makes up 90% of all spam on the internet
  15. Imagine... by griffjon · · Score: 2, Funny

    All the computers that could be extracted from the Beowulf clusters this new company will have!

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    Returned Peace Corps IT Volunteer
  16. happy multiplayer penguin games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My company built a head-to-head multiplayer trivia game using Penguin computers, they worked great and I'd recommend them for people doing web-based multiplayer.

  17. I f*king LOVE Penguin Computing!! by smitty45 · · Score: 5, Informative

    those guys are great, and congrats to them. I have fond memories of walking down to their office on Mission St, and carrying one of their new 2U boxes down to where I worked. When we opened the box, not only did we find a machine that is still running right now (over 2 years) but a couple of cool tshirts.

  18. Re:Quick Question.... by insanecarbonbasedlif · · Score: 1

    From the "Related links" Slashbox to the right of the article: Beowulf cluster. Go educate thyself.

    And your mom said to tell you to watch what you say, potty mouth. Heh.

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  19. Re:Quick Question.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    It's like classic literature, dude

    and this...

    Beowulf is an approach to building a supercomputer as a cluster of commodity off-the-shelf personal computers, interconnected with a local area network technology like Ethernet, and running programs written for parallel processing.

  20. Re:Quick Question.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    microsoft sells them, have a look at their product information page. Hight Availability Clustering

    I think it might be available for linux too.

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  21. Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of.. by Lugor · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey!!!
    Thats mine line.
    I will now sue you under the DMCA for copyright infringement and circumventing my right to say my line!

  22. Re:Quick Question.... by a_timid_mouse · · Score: 1

    Ever heard of google? Seek and ye shall find.

  23. Won't stay up by red_dragon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Everyone knows that you can't keep a Beowulf cluster of penguins up for too long; the nodes will all go down as soon as a plane flies over them and trash your uptime.

    Whoops.

    --
    In Soviet Russia, Jesus asks: "What Would You Do?"
    1. Re:Won't stay up by Java+Pimp · · Score: 1

      According to Captain Lucas, ... She says the Penguins actually hate the noise and scatter as the planes approach the beach.

      I just imagined a bunch of RAF pilots out flying around trying this, and that image was just about as funny as the penquins falling over.

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      Kull: She told me she was 19!
    2. Re:Won't stay up by u38cg · · Score: 1
      I heard this story from an old RAF hand who was out there in WWII days.

      He told me that they routinely showed it to visiting brass (note the absence of the word top).

      I suspect it works if you use a prop plane. Or maybe they just got bored of falling over all the time.

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      [FUCK BETA]
  24. Yes. by mhore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We have 2 that we use for simulations in the Physics department. Well, i say 2...the 2nd one hasn't actually been assembled yet.

    The reason we use the beowulfs is because the problems are such that they're easy to break up into chunks. Consider the "system" (in our case) to be a cube with stuff inside that we want to process. We can break the cube up into smaller cubes and process those chunks, and then reassemble (must like is done with folding@home, seti@home, and the like).

    The difference? Well, instead of a program taking a day to run, it will take a few hours. Instead of taking a week, it may take a day.

    Sometimes a problem doesn't require a Beowulf. If you require several simulations, and the total CPU time amounts to 1 month...then you'd do just as well running the simulations on nodes and just waiting a month. If you REALLY want to know what's happening with a certain set of conditions, it's often times very useful to use the cluster to find out in a matter of hours.

    Mike.

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    1. Re:Yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I know a guy who uses a beowulf cluster for astrophysical simulations. For my work, we have a large site with smaller independent computing jobs (but lots of 'em) so we use a batch farm with several hundred nodes, with the LSF scheduling system.

      We used to have mainly Solaris machines, but over the last few years we've added more Linux boxes. The reason is not the Linux is inherently better. (In fact, we had to wait for large file support before it was really useful to us.) But x86 machines are sooo much cheaper. Plus, Linux software + minimal support is quite cheap compared to Solaris.

      So Linux is definitely a big help in scientific research, with or without Beowulf clusters.

    2. Re:Yes. by mhore · · Score: 3, Interesting
      So Linux is definitely a big help in scientific research, with or without Beowulf clusters.

      Yes, Linux is a huge help -- one reason that it is (and not the primary reason) is that it is free (or at least low cost). With the budget cuts that the state of TN (and I gather many others) have been facing, Linux is even more useful as we can get new nodes/whatever for our research while keeping costs low (as opposed to using an OS like Solaris which costs $$$). We can grab a bunch of parts off of the shelf and build a node for a few hundred dollars... instead of paying $2,000 for a high performance UNIX/Linux/whatever workstation.

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    3. Re:Yes. by Old+Wolf · · Score: 1

      Isn't solaris free? You just have to pay if you want Sun hardware?

    4. Re:Yes. by rodgerd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No. Solaris is only free on bitty boxes - single and dual CPU systems. Solaris costs a metric buttload on boxes that are capable of large SMP - so something like a cheap E4500 you pick up at a dot-bomb auction may require thousands or tens of thousands of dollars in licensing.

      Solaris used to be pretty much free; Sun have been incrementally ratcheting down the threshold for charging in the last few years.

  25. Amen to that. by pr0ntab · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've got about 9 plushie penguins sitting on my desk (hint, that's how many Altus's we have running our nasty compute jobs)

    I am QUITE CERTAIN this merger will mean even more gnarly Penguin configurations!

    Sun better watch the hell out. (go ahead fanboys, flame away)

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    1. Re:Amen to that. by deadsaijinx* · · Score: 1

      The flames of sun shoot from my eyes.

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  26. Re:Id rather have... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PORTMAN

    GRITS

    PROPS TO MAUS.

  27. It's always the cheapskates who complain. by hndrcks · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ahh... cheap shit Tulip cards and RealTek 8139s... now those are the kinds of quality hardware you can depend on! And you wonder why you have networking problems.

    Becker has spent a LOT of his time adding Linux support for poorly documented, mis-configured, total crap hardware - and you cheap assholes complain. You should read the kernel newsgroup archives - some developers suggested a few years back that they dump RTL81XX entirely because the firmware sucked so bad. You whiners should be thanking Scyld for their work.

    Or maybe buy a decent NIC instead.

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    1. Re:It's always the cheapskates who complain. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the funny thing is, that winnt drivers dont exhibit the same god damn problems that becker's rtl8139 does. christ, the amount of collisions you get at 100/full duplex is ridiculous. the 8139too is a much better driver overall.

      i will say this though - the sis900 driver (and firware), written by the boys at sis, sucks far more ass than any of becker's drivers.

      at least becker's can autoneg reasonably well.

      the problem is that my company likes the $0.25US/per onboard price on an rtl8139c...

    2. Re:It's always the cheapskates who complain. by whmac33 · · Score: 0

      At 100/full duplex it should be connected directly to a switched port and therefor no collosions as there is nothing to collide with.

    3. Re:It's always the cheapskates who complain. by deadsaijinx* · · Score: 4, Informative

      Hey, Tulip cards and RealTek 81xxs are exactly what I'm running, and I've had no problems with my network, not even under linux. Scyld has done an excellent job implimenting them, and the hardware isn't total crap. It functions perfectly if you know what the hell you are doing with them.

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    4. Re:It's always the cheapskates who complain. by molarmass192 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Having spent some time working on a Linux hardware driver for an undocumented PCI card, I think most people have no clue at the amount of work involved. Deciphering bus calls when there's little to no documentation to hint as to what the calls are for is like building a puzzle without the final image to look at. Getting a piece is easy, but figuring out where it fits relative to other pieces is one mean task. Anybody who has the audacity to just sit back and complain without either filing bugs or submitting patches should just migrate back to Windows, their whining certainly will not be missed. Also, good point about cheap-shit hardware, you're not going to end up with a Ferrari if all you have is parts for a tricycle.

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    5. Re:It's always the cheapskates who complain. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, thats what should happen.

      it doesnt. i've done some fairly extensive load testing to beat on these nic's, and well... i get collisions and dropped packets.

      and, the interface decides to reset itself every so often.

      but, the absolute, worst piece of shit nic, hands down is the sis900. that one is just a nightmare.

    6. Re:It's always the cheapskates who complain. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can NOT get collisoins with full duplex. something is fucked with your NIC or SWITCH

    7. Re:It's always the cheapskates who complain. by sn00ker · · Score: 1
      ...is like building a puzzle without the final image to look at.
      Not that I can program worth a damn, let alone write device drivers, but I'd imagine you also don't have the benefit of being able to get a defined outline (ie: the edge pieces) of your puzzle from the bits you're pulling out of the box.

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    8. Re:It's always the cheapskates who complain. by molarmass192 · · Score: 1

      Well, you do have some constraints to work in based on the physical makeup of the hardware and behavior of the hardware under Windows. You can scrounge up some information based on the chips used on the card on the net. Several chip makers offer op codes for their chips online. You start there, then run the hardware under windows while sniffing the bus (pci/i2c/etc). This gives you an idea of how to initialize and make broad calls to the card. Then you start putting those bits of information together into a driver on Linux. It also helps if a similar driver already exists under Linux that you can "clean out" and use as a shell. That said, it's long, slow, and frustrating work that involves rebooting what must be a million times. I admire the patience of anybody who does this kinda thing on a regular basis.

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    9. Re:It's always the cheapskates who complain. by kasperd · · Score: 1

      christ, the amount of collisions

      Collisions is not caused by driver problems. The way ethernet was designed simply means collisions cannot be avoided. The work done to limit the amount of collisions as much as possible is best done in hardware. If anybody was stupid enough to make hardware requiring those features to be in the driver, the hardware designers are to blame, not the driver designers.

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  28. In Soviet Russia...The GOAT by alexborges · · Score: 0, Troll

    SeCX YOU!

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  29. NO NO NO, NO!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The cluster *beowulfs* you.

    Not really sure how it's supposed to do that, but still.

  30. Re:Id rather have... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks... but I was looking particularly for a "BEOWULF" cluster of "NUDE" portmans... any linkage?

  31. Hey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey! Imagine a CLIC cluster of those!

  32. Re:Star Trek XIII: The Search For Spock's Genitals by rkz · · Score: 1

    I dont understand your post, what do Mac users have to do with Star Trek?

  33. Another form of control by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 2, Funny

    As I think more about it, it's very strange to me that this story was posted on Tuesday. As in troll Tuesday.

    What if there's a grand conspiracy involving Slashdot, the trolls, and a higher level of consciousness related to both?! What if the war between them is simply a stage on which to act out and therefore express the human tendency to resist authority, and, as such, to sanction it?!

    Oh, the horror! The agonizing, cold truth!

    ...

    Ok, which door was it again?

    1. Re:Another form of control by commodoresloat · · Score: 1
      What if there's a grand conspiracy involving Slashdot, the trolls, and a higher level of consciousness related to both?!

      Of course, that higher level of consciousness is provided by a Beowulf cluster.

  34. Business Description by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Business Description
    Penguin Computing was founded in 1998 with one goal: to create servers that were as reliable as anything from Sun, IBM or SGI. But instead of running mainframe level hardware with proprietary Unix, they ran on x86 architecture with a dynamic new open source operating system - Linux. The company operates in Mountain View, CA, in a room rented from an ISP.


    So, who exatly was saved from being layed off?

  35. George W. Bush et al. Impeached: +1, Patiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This guy beats Nixon as a pathological liar

    Thanks for nothing,
    W00t

  36. He can't be that great a guy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why didn't Donald Becker bring Walter Fagen into the company?

    BTW: First Steely Dan post.

  37. I'd much rather imagine... by nzyank · · Score: 0

    ...becoming a patent millionaire

  38. Re:Oh yeah? Well... by dkragen2002 · · Score: 1

    pfffft. I've got 2 clusters of those. Dave

  39. Re:Beowulf cluster (-1, redundand) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do not wory, Taco wil re-submit the story.

  40. Andre Hedrick by Gothmolly · · Score: 2

    The Linux IDE guy, also rules. ATA66, ATA100, SATA, thank you Andre! He helped me sort out a caching IDE controller once via private email.

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  41. Re:Quick Question.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Duuuuuude ! That Beowulf dude was like totally hardcore, dude! He ripped off that monster's arm and beat him to death with it!

  42. Don't read this by BillsPetMonkey · · Score: 1

    Now I'll sue YOU under the DMCA

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  43. Execellent by nomadlogic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    well this is great news. i work for a visual fx company and we pretty much use Penguin gear for our render farms and IT infrastructure. These guys have great gear and great prices...so this sounds great.

    I thought Scyld was based in Anapolis Md. will they be moving out to Cali?

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  44. Re:Oh yeah? Well... by damien_kane · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've got 3
    All made entirely out of hot grits
    All installed by Natalie Portman, who I stripped and petrified afterwards.

    Oh ya, they're all in here, too.

  45. Wait a second!! by reality-bytes · · Score: 0


    Image a Beowulf cluster of Beowulf clusters!!

    Is that even possible by definition? :)

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    1. Re:Wait a second!! by ocelotbob · · Score: 1
      If it's a traditional beowulf cluster -- a 4x4 array of systems with dual NICs -- then I don't think it would be possible. Now if one were to replace a few, if not all, of the hubs with routers, then I suppose that it would be possible to create a beowulf of beowulfs.

      Now a mixture of clustering technologies, say a beowulf of mosix clusters, and things begin to get intriguing ;3.

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  46. Re:Imagine a beowulf by gfody · · Score: 1

    its actually a southpark reference

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  47. Name for a Beowulf cluster of penguin computers? by phorm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And this is our supercomputing center.... also known as "the flock?"

    I wonder what they'd call something like this. What do you call a linked group of processing computers? Maybe it depends on purpose - like "the armada" for military Beowulfs, or perhaps the "inquisition" for the RIAA

  48. Sounds like a meeting of friends. by mrmeval · · Score: 1

    It's cool that Donald got this deal, a lot of linux users owe him a great deal.

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    1. Re:Sounds like a meeting of friends. by mrjb · · Score: 1

      Duh they said pinguins, everybody knows Donald isn't a pinguin...

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  49. Penguin jokes by stud9920 · · Score: 1

    (pretty visual, but funny anyway)

    A guy wants to have sex for money, but hes has only got $10.

    He asks a first whore, but she says she doesn't dump prices.

    He asks another one, but she says the lowest she gives is blowjobs and those cost $20

    This continues until he finds one who tells him "For $10, I will do the Penguin to you".
    The guy agrees and she lowers his pants, only to run away with the $10.

    The guy grabs his pants and limps after the girl, shouting "My money !" (this is the visual part)

    1. Re:Penguin jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always have problems with my Penguin machines. They keep getting abducted by Mary Kay Commandos and sent to animal testing labs.

      My calls to the Animal Liberation Front have not been answered so far.

  50. Exactly...but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know what pisses me off? Just try going to a store and LOOKING for an ethernet card that ISN'T Realtek. Everywhere I go I find all this Realtek based garbage--a real, honest to god 3Com or Intel card is now a special order! No one stocks them anymore, just Realtek junk (or Netgear cards, which are also realtek).

  51. Re:Quick Question.... by Old+Wolf · · Score: 2, Funny

    From http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=beowulf+clus ter&type=2 :

    beowulf cluster is offline
    beowulf cluster is such a high performance computing environment
    beowulf cluster is the only machine in the cluster that you can login to
    beowulf cluster is extremely powerful
    beowulf cluster is a bit extreme
    beowulf cluster is an investment
    beowulf cluster is available for $1195 per person
    beowulf cluster is a computer system conforming to the beowulf architecture
    beowulf cluster is to first connect to the university unix service via the common desktop environment
    beowulf cluster is now operational
    beowulf cluster is shown below
    beowulf cluster is via httpd running on your server node
    beowulf cluster is a little off the beaten path
    beowulf cluster is linux
    beowulf cluster is connected with 100
    beowulf cluster is reported
    beowulf cluster is the number of people waiting in line to run their code on the system
    beowulf cluster is 42nd on the list
    beowulf cluster is small

    You can tell an American thought of this page, can't you ;)

  52. Re:Oh yeah? Well... by kurosawdust · · Score: 1

    I could at first, but then the acid wore off. Let's call it a draw, OK?

  53. Re:Oh yeah? Well... by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    Imagine a single processor, isolated from the cluster, working all by itself!

  54. No, Scyld will remain in Annapolis by becker · · Score: 2, Informative

    We have moved to different offices in Annapolis about a mile away from our original location. The view isn't as nice, but the new office space has a machine room that is about three times the size of the small office that we previously used.

  55. Re:Oh yeah? Well... by theTerribleRobbo · · Score: 0

    I've got 3
    All made entirely out of hot grits
    All installed by Natalie Portman, who I stripped and petrified afterwards.

    All in Soviet Russia...

  56. What's going on here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Ok, let's look at this objectively. Exacly how many clusters has Penguin deployed over the last 2 years, at least well known ones? How many of these are in the Current Top500 List? Has Penguin had a presence at Supercomputing in the past 2 years , other than having Sam walking around? Are these guys one of the 4 Myrinet authorized vendors in the US? None, no, and No. I really don't see how Penguin can think they're going to compete in this marketspace when there are so many other kick-ass Linux companies out there who specialize in Beowulf clusters, such as Atipa, LinuxNetworks, Microway, Aspen, etc, etc. all with very large install bases. Penguin may be able to cut into the desktop and/or server market but I don't see them cutting it in the Beowulf arena.


    It's very difficult to make money on software in the Beowulf arena because, duh, it's FREE! You have to make your money on hardware and integration of the hardware and software. Seems that there'll be lots of overhead with all of the developers now on hand at Penguin. Maybe this is why the CEO of Penguin, Marty Sayer, left 2 years ago and is now a VP at AMD.


    In addition, for the most part Clustermatic does the same thing and is setup the exact same as a Scyld distribution, granted Scyld does add some neat things of their own. Although Scyld actually has turned a profit here of late, don't get me wrong, I like Becker but I really don't see this one working out in the long run.

  57. Re:Bah @ Redhat by subk · · Score: 0

    Look dude. You obviously don't work in technology. Who the fuck has time to use Gentoo at work??? I sure don't. I spend too much time dicking with Citrix servers!! Redhat does everything I need it to do quite well and I can build a firewall in 2 hours instead of it taking a whole day.

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  58. sig [ot] by moogla · · Score: 1

    That's quite a clever signature, jinxie. The irony is not wasted.

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  59. Image the license fees by ExCEPTION · · Score: 1

    that need to pay $C0

  60. IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cluster is glad it's not in YOU!

  61. Re:Star Trek XIV: The Search For Spock's Spoon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no spoon.

    Spooooooooooon!