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Mini-ITX PC in an Atari 800
tgeller writes "As case mods go, this one's not the weirdest, But it has its own retro charm. Musician and geek Andy Hutson slipped a Mini-ITX motherboard into an Atari 800 case... and used an old cartridge as the mouse! Too bad the original keyboard's not functional." This almost makes me want to tear apart my old Apple //c and see what I can make. Almost.
Man, as if using an Atari 800 to house your ATX wasn't bad enough.. but to use a game cartridge, Star Raiders nonetheless, and transform it into a MOUSE? MY GOD MAN, I'm dripping in geek just reading this page!
At least nobody will steal your computer! Well, at least not after they find out you ruined an Atari and put all the modern crap inside! ]:3P
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For old machine cool case mods, surely you'd have to go the OTHER way.
I mean get an old PDP-11, gut it and put boards and extensions everywhere, imagine rebuilding the PSU as a set of USB access points, or as a beowulf cluster of Mini-ITX systems
Or put an old IBM Mainframe in the basement, wire up the lights and away you go.
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...so the graphics may be prettier, but it'll still run at the same speed.
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Man puts ITX MB in old plastic box.
Sorry, but I would have been more impressed if he'd restored the Atari 800 to working condition.
Ok, so putting a modern PC in an old computercase is cool and all, but running modern style software on the actual old computer is much cooler! Check out the Contiki operating system for such old computers (including the Atari 800): it is a multi-tasking graphical operating system with full Internet access (web browser, telnet client, web server!) that runs on a a bunch of different old computers. They even have a web server running on a real Commodore 64.
http://mini-itx.cx ... guess where the mini-itx pc will be! ;o)
'Scuse my ignorance, but I'm curious as to just how incompatible the original keyboard was...
Would any of the people that know about hardware care to enlighten me on how hard a keyboard translater would be to build - something that would read the output of the Atari keyboard and spit out equivilent input that the Mini ITX's keyboard controller would understand?
There's a lot of really cool looking old gear out there (well, specifically, under the desk here) with built in keyboards that would make pretty nifty little machines for those of us who want to relive the days of sitting crosslegged on the loungeroom floor 3 inches from the TV screen tapping stuff into a machine like that, but with all mod cons...
You know they call 'em fingers but I've never seen 'em fing. Oh, there they go.
This is what I love to see. The hardware hackers. Sure it goes above the old Amiga hacks, but is great to see the creative mind put to use. Now all we nee is for someone to do a C=128D and use a bootable C=128 emulator like the Knoppix-thing. ;-)
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The guy did not even bother to break out a multi meter and figure out how the oldkb worked.... btw all the good stuff is at www.mini-itx.org
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I don't think so!!!
Even if you don't think the Atari 800 is a very pretty box, I think this conversion deserves full points for originality and style.
My only question is usability.
Simply sticking a modern computer into an Atari 800 case is a little sad. Surely there are more fun mods to do... for example:
- mod a C64 disk drive to hold a full PC, with HDD, and talking IEE844 correctly to the C64.
- mod a C64 printer to become a network interface, allowing the vital print-to-slashdot function
- mod a game cartidge to hold a PC running Linux, then allow the original system to act as a console for the Linux box
Just modding hardware is skillfull, but modding software is true art.
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Wow, seeing that old atari case sure takes me back to before I was born. Actually my first was the Atari 7800.
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Mini-ITX site has a lot of links to similar projects:
http://www.mini-itx.com
I had one of these.
;).
Load SCRAM into the cassette drive, and go ride the BMX bike (with mag rims!) around for 45 minutes while it loaded, return and scram the core
Seriously though, has anyone considered putting a PC into *gasp* a PC chassis?
This almost makes me want to tear apart my old Apple //c and see what I can make. Almost.
Why not just keep your old Apple IIc and spend the five bucks or whatever buying one on ebay? There are tons of "classic" computers on ebay that you can get for rediculously low prices (well, considering...) A while ago I almost got a lot of five sparc ipx's for $20. The winning bid was something like $25. Stuff like that is up there all the time.
Of course, I have some sort of weird ethical qualms with gutting old machines. Someone else usually has to throw them out. Why not try this mod on a nice toaster or even a cuisinart (double props if the thing still works without ruining the mobo)
just my two cents (adjusted for inflation)
The finished product. I installed it with Windows 98SE, APE (Atari Peripheral Emulator), and WinDVD. Also, for fun, I installed "drempels" for a psychedelic desktop.
Forget dremples, Geiss 2 just came out. Thanks for the heads up.
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that's what (one of) the guy behind jackypc.com did.
This website is the reference french-speaking site for moding PC.
Here you can see it (it is a 600)
#include "coucou.h"
Gosh I did love my first (as in computer) C64 and a romance with an atari followed soon after. In fact I think I had both of them at the same times... But with the article, lost my interest after "cool to retrofit an Atari 800 to be a full-fledged Windows PC". Jeez-Maan! How can you treat a loved one with such disrespect!
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On an on-topic note, as a person who's a bit of a NES-aholic I'd I've always wanted to toss a modern computer into an old NES casing. It'd look a thousand times cooler than those crappy windows case modders put in their computers (literal windows, although I suppose the Redmond option would be as as crappy). Plus it'd make those long nights in front of NASM trying to get something to work in FCEU a bit more tolerable.
I'd also like to modify a beer keg so that you can house a computer in a back compartment while allowing the keg to still work. Hot damn, would I be the envy of the LAN parties!
I think it's sad to see old hardware ripped apart like this. It's just as sad as people ripping nice old cars apart to make butt-ugly hot rods...
Martin
Ummm isn't it a bit sad that a C64 can handle a minor slashdotting better than many commercial sites ?
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... someone did it with a C64, so someone else had to do with an Atari 800.
;-)
...)
Some things never change
(btw. the Atari hack ist of course *much* cooler than the C64
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The Atari I/O chip (POKEY, for POrts and KEYboard), was fed a row/column matrix from the keyboard, and then read directly by the CPU.
In order to make the keyboard compatible with a PC, you would need a microcontroller that scanned the row/column matrix and then generated the serial data stream that a PC's 8042 keyboard controller wanted to see.
Not really a very difficult task for a hardware guy - a PIC would probably do quite nicely.
I wonder if the guy was able to use the interior potmetal shield of the Atari - the 800 was designed back when "Class B computing device" MEANT something - Atari took no chance that the computer would fail to pass FCC regulations. The 800 was the quietest (in the RF sense of the word) computer I'd ever seen - ANYTHING that could generate RF was on the inside of a eight-of-an-inch thick metal box.
But using a Star Raiders cart as a mouse?!?!
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I'm dripping in geek just reading this page!
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I've been fooling around with a mini-itx board for a while, and tried to fit it into an Apple IIc. It will fit, if you forego a cd/dvd drive, full size hard drive, and use a laptop-style power supply with an external AC/DC adaptor.
My current plans are to put it into a wood box I purchased at a local artsy fartsy store, which will have plenty of room for a slot loading DVD drive, but will still need a laptop hard drive and the smaller power supply. DivX player, here I come!
-Ryan
ditch the non-functional keyboard and put a cherry g84-4100 in there!. it's even available in black. check their keyboard catalogue here : http://www.cherrycorp.com/products/US/keyboards/pd f_file/gen_purpose.pdf (pdf, scroll 2/3 down).
I want to find an old TI-99/4A Peripheral Expansion Box. It's not unlike the standard PC case, but it's built like an Abrams battle tank. Even the cards were in small metal cases.
I think with some creative use with the Dremel, I could re-use the power switch, put in the hard drive/power LEDs where the card ones were, and improvise on the cards in back.
It would truly be a 1980s-lookin' PC>
Too bad this has been on Mini-ITX.com for a week now. I hardly think this is slashdot worthy news. People put Mini-ITX boards in everything and submit the idea to Mini-itx.com. If we posted every new mini-itx idea on slashdot we'd have to have a page devoted to Mini-itx designs. But wait, that already exists, it's called Mini-itx.com
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Well, if I had a IIc, I'd make a macpack and ditch my regular ol' backpack.
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you don't neccesarily need a VGA input. The Mini-ITX boards have either an Svideo or RCA output, i'm not sure which. Maybe both.
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as someone who has owned every production 8-bit Atari sold in the US (800,400,1200XL,800XL,600XL, 130XE, 65XE, XEGS... other models that are out there that I haven't owned include the 1400XL, 1450XL, 800XE...) this is just WRONG. WRONG, I tell you.
The 800 is one of the very best of the Atari 8-bit line. Funky seventies industrial design, lovely keyboard, great video and audio quality out of the box (Atari boogered the video and audio amplifiers on the XL and XE models)...
They're built like tanks, too. Remember, the MSRP for them in 1979 was something like $2000. In 1979 dollars. 1/4" and 1/8" aluminum shielding in there to pass the old FCC regs from before Apple paid off the FCC to get the Apple II series passed... We used to joke that the 800 could probably survive the EMP from the inevitable nuclear war that was going to happen in the eighties...
About the only "case mod" I could understand on an 800 is gluing the Star Raiders cartridge into the slot, and even then, I'd use a 400 for that...
As for the comment "it's a shame they couldn't get the original keyboard to work", ya know, that's the only thing I didn't like about my 800. The keys didn't follow a standard layout, and I wasn't very fond of their feel.
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The long nights I spent poking display list interrupts into the 1536 memory block, and making the 8k Atari basic do things it wasn't meant to do. Good old 6502 assembly language. My first tape drive. My first floppy drive. A geek's first love.
Any chance you still have the Microsoft Basic cartridge hanging around? I have mine. Oh the memories.
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... looked really high tech. I wasn't fond of the machine's interior, but the brushed steel case was just downright pretty.
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The have both S-Video and composite. If you use S-video you can turn the composite video out into a coax digital audio out. Very sweet.
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The SE/30 can run m68k ports of Linux or NetBSD on its own. Why modify it when you can do it with the original hardware?
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But using a STAR RADIERS cart?!? I would have given him an old 3D Tic Tac Toe cartridge just to keep him from burning in hell.
Well, they are sold here at computertrades (here=Holland)... I bought a 9" 800x600 SVGA-monitor and housed it in a SE as my monitor to my HTPC...
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But... it sticks out on the backside... I've been using it now for a month or such and to great enjoyment I can say. But this is just a monitor connected to a 'decent' PC. I haven't planned to put in a mini-itx-board or such. Next to that, I have a whole bunch of old Macs and I'm not planning on modding all of them, I just had these 2 compact macs and no use for this SE(which wasn't in concours-winning condition either). I use my other compact mac (a Classic II) still as a terminal/console on my router/firewall. Other 'projects' in progress are NetBSD on my chipped LC475(finished install but looking for an ethernetcard) and A/UX on my Quadra 800(looking for a scsi-cd-romplayer to finish the installation).
it took 30-45 minutes to load a big program
Huh? The very longest programs I had for my 64K 800XL took less than half an hour to load, and even that was bad enough..
Of course, factor in
*** LOAD ERROR ***
*** Try Other Side ***
(in scrolly rainbow letters) and... yeah, I've seen games take over an hour to load on multiple retries.
Why the #@^$ Atari didn't bother improving the tape interface speed for the XL line beats me... guess the US-market was mostly cart/disk-driven by that time.
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[[ I think that all it needs is some working joysticks. I would like to play Star Raiders again. ]]
...but it's easier than dragging your old 800XL out of the basement.
You should consider downloading and installing the latest Atari 800 emulator designed by Darek Mihocka (sp?). At the moment, I only know of a Wintel version that works with Windows 95 and up.
How ironic. I play more Atari games on my HP notebook than I ever did on my VCS (Z26 Emulator), 800XL, and my 5200 put together.
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I know that a lot of MAME home arcade hackers use just the same technique to make input controllers for their cabinets. You might even have enough extra inputs with a 104-key keyboard so you could wire up the joysticks!
I mean, come on man, if you're gonna do it, do it right!
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Taking an old PC case and putting new hardware into it? Boring... been done before... and this one isn't even fully functional. It's little more than an attempt at something visually cool, and even then it has no visual appeal whatsoever.
Now the Telefunken 2003... a 45 year old radio upgraded to Internet Radio... that's a nice hack with unique artistic appeal!!
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Damn the 70's/80's were freakin' Weird!
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I have a background in electronics, so I'm competent with DMM, scope, etc., BUT, there were really 3 reasons for my shortfall: 1. YES, I was too lazy to hack the Atari KB, BUT 2. The Atari KB is missing way too many keys to be useful in a Windoze box. 3. The Atari 800 KB is effing HUGE. Would have left no room for CD-ROM drive underneath. I probably will fix the KB one day, but I really don't care THAT much. It was fun.
Amen, my brother. If only you could get a TB-303 on eBay for $25
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My idea is to write a piece of software for the Atari that turns the keyboard into a serial-port-driven keyboard for the PC.
That way there isn't any hardware hacking.
I have not been able to find any modern keyboards that feel as good as an Atari 800 or 1200XL keyboard. I don't like the clackity clack of mechanical IBM keyboards. The 800 and 1200XL have IBM selectric-type keyboards that are smooth and quiet and NOT mushy.
If you could have An Atari running as a keyboard for the PC you could keep your existing keyboard online for keys you can't easily hit with the Atari, and do most of your basic text entry with the Atari.
Anyone know of a starting point for writing custom keyboard drivers?
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Gosh, you seem to be awfully bitter about the whole thing. I think someone needs a hug.
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