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Screenshots of Mac OS X 10.3 Panther Leaked
gorman writes "Screenshots of Apple's next major update to OS X, Panther (10.3), have finally been leaked to the web. For months very little has been known about Panther, with only several minor rumors here and there. These screenshots show off many new features, including the return of labels, a brand new Safari-like finder, and an interesting window management system called Exposé. In addition, the screenshots show off refined visuals and improvements to all of the included Apple applications, such as video support in iChat and enhanced spam filtering in Mail. While these screenshots show off a pre-release version of Panther, it's definitely interesting to see what Apple is working on! Steve Jobs will demonstrate Panther during his keynote this Monday at WWDC and will make it available to developers."
Looks like apple is poised again to take charge of the future of OSes. I can't wait till monday so i can see what will be in longhorn 2005.
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~12fg/Panther/
Torrent of the index.html and all images is here (panther.torrent) if page gets slashdotted.
"experience'.... Blah, how lame. Its soooo overused these days it makes me sick.
Between that and Microsoft's ' rich internet experience' crap.
Its a damned OS, its a TOOL.. its not some drug induced altered state of mind...
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Improving the the capabilities of the spam filtering in Apple's Mail.app program is nice, but I wonder if they've fixed any of the *REAL* problems? There are so many problems that Macintouch has PAGES of reader reports of issues.
Like, the fact that the application kills its own preferences if your drive runs out of space.
Or the problem of attachments being destroyed when sent if they have a resource fork.
I switched to Mail.app for a day, but switched back to Entourage when I discovered these serious issues, as well as the lack of interface behavior controls (like the fact that Mail.app automatically marks an email viewed in the preview pane as "read", when I don't want it to).
Jory
It looks exactly the same! That is just too cool!
--sdem
First off, I assume you don't think this is EVERYTHING that is likely new in 10.3.
Secondly, some of these things do look to be significantly new..... as far as look and feel, of course it's the same.... what would be the point in dramatically changing the look and feel?
Feature-wise though, Expose looks like a very nice addition, as are labels.... not sure what Folder Actions are, but they could also be an interesting addition..... the new drive view also looks like it could be an improvement.
Some of the screenshots of course don't seem different at all, so I'm not sure why they posted them (the main desktop screenshot in particular, although a lot of it is "censored").... but the Mail.app inbox screenshot and the System Preferences screenshot look fairly standard.
Anyway, the point is, this hardly seems to be everything that 10.3 will have, feature-wise... just a few screenshots to show some new things.....
Wait til Monday, of course, for the full thing to be unveiled.
If the only thing that will impress you is a completely brand new look and feel though, then yeah, you'd probably be disappointed. Apple's focus is on adding and improving features, not drastically changing the look and feel itself.
-Tom
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I think the editors have it figured out about right. They got you to post, didn't they?
Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
I'm 99% sure it will cost money. Probably $129 retail, $79 academic and $0 for ADC members. You had to pay for 10.2, what makes you think 10.3 will be free?
-- The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'.
Whos willing to bet that the very accidental leak of G5 specs came from the same people who very accidentaly leaked these screenshots.
I'm sure it will have tons of bug fixes and speed improvements, just like Jaguar. But what is easier to show (especially in a screen shot), new features or bug fixes?
I agree. I've had the same complaint ever since QuickTime 4 came out:
* With these brushed-metal windows, you cannot tell which window is in front.
I've closed so many windows I didn't intend to simply because I thought it was in the foreground when I hit Cmd-W.
Why did Apple have to toss out all the UI lessons they'd learned since 1984?
Jory
A few things:
1) I completely stoked to see Security having it's own control panel.
2) Where's the advanced spam filtering mentioned? I just see the normal Mail.app screen.
3) I don't see the Safari driven finder either. It's just the normal finder window with a brushed metallic look. (I still haven't made up my mind on the metallic. I don't hate it, but it's not lickable like the rest of the OS)
4) For anyone who's never used them, folder actions kick ass.
Can't wait till monday.
-E2
The evil monkey commands you to dance.
If you reply, do so only to what I explicitly wrote. If I didn't write it, don't assume or infer it.
Yes, how dare Mail.app mark a message "read" when it's been viewed! I think it should only be marked as "read" after I'd read it, and considered the spiritual nature of it's consequences. When will apple correct this deficiency???
Here's another MIRROR. in case the other pages have suffered the Slashdot effect.
i think it is certainly slashdot material, despite the absence of hyping the X11 that will be in it. the upgrade fee is significant, but nothing like m$ considering the absence of serial numbers and other mitigating factors that make it a really easily attainable option to anyone.
/. would do the g5 shots or the the panther shots and was surprised they took this long. 4osx had them long before. i reckon /. did its homework on this one and cowboy neal wasn't just having a bored day.
there are some big differences graphically and at the core, if nothing else in that this release will bring native applications that are based on existing x11 applications. slashdot is pretty late and pretty conservative on this i think, but that is because they actually have a good legal department and are not as easily shut down as the rest of the rumors sites, who are flailing in the light of yesterday and todays posts.
it could just be my nerdiness, but i see huge differences from those screens if nothing else in the process viewer, which does not look like a bad version of top anymore. also, the skin is completely new and worth note considering apple being a graphical os to most. it is not a significant core upgrade, but a user experience upgrade. a promising one at that that may be a 64-bit native version before 10.4. looks big to me, i was wondering when
Rumor sites and leaks have pretty much gotten all the good stuff already. So I wonder what Steve will do on monday. I mean he truly loves announcing new shiny things.
I fought the corporate America, and the corporate America bought the law.
That is to say, I love iTunes. It is the easiest, most pleasant way to organize and listen to your digital music collection. But did anybody notice the process monitor shot? iTunes is still sitting there taking almost twice the cycles of the notoriously-bloated-and-CPU-hogging MS Word. That's worse than the performance I got out of iTunes from two versions ago!
Frankly, because making money on OSS is HARD.
(Ask Mandrake oops can't)
-E2
The evil monkey commands you to dance.
I can't decide if this poster is a troll or an imbecile.
Perhaps both.
The image is supposed to be showcasing a new feature called "expose" (it these are real that is), which should help managing your windows. Take a look at the preferences.
Also you'll notice, that foreground windows are shaded grey and have coloured stoplight buttons, while the unfocused window is plain white and has monochrome stoplight buttons. So, apparently unfocused titlebars are not translucent anymore.
I really hope those screenshots are either fake or just plain unpolished/unfinished. Jaguar looks way better IMHO.
-- The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'.
The image with the small sized windows I believe is the new app - Exposé
It scales all windows so that they can all fit on hte screen at once showing you everything you're doing - you lcik on one and they revert to their normal state but with the selected window in the forground.
Or at least thats how I imagine it from the description.
Matt Thompson - Actuality - Insert product here.
It's really an elegant solution to window clutter. It's either this or virtual desktops, and Apple probably would dislike virtual desktops due to the "where the hell did my windows go" factor. With Quartz, all the zooming should give the user usable visual feedback as to what's going on.
Topic in #os: hey guyz, stop pickin on irix. /msg atnt haha. idiot. :~(
<SCO> w00t! i bought unix! im gonna b so rich!
<novell>
<novell> whoops. was that out loud?
<atnt> rotfl
<ibm> lol
<SCO> why r u laffin at me?
<novell> dude, unix is so 10 years ago. linux is in now.
<SCO> wtf?
<SCO> hey guyz, i bought caldera, I have linux now.
<red_hat> haha, your linux sucks.
<novell> lol
<atnt> lol
<ibm> lol
<SCO> no wayz, i will sell more linux than u!
<ibm> your linux sucks, you should look at SuSE
<SuSE> Ja. Wir bilden gutes Linux für IBM.
<SCO> can we do linux with you?
<SuSE> Ich bin nicht sicher...
<ibm> *cough*
<SuSE> Gut lassen Sie uns vereinigen.
* SuSE is now SuSE[UL]
* SCO is now caldera[UL]
<turbolinux> can we play?
<conectiva> we're bored... we'll go too.
<ibm> sure!
* turbolinux is now turbolinux[UL]
* conectiva is now conectiva[UL]
<ibm> redhat: you should join!
<SuSE[UL]> Ja! Wir sind vereinigtes Linux. Widerstand ist vergeblich.
<red_hat> haha. no.
<red_hat> lamers.
<ibm> what about you debian?
<debian> we'll discuss it and let you know in 5 years.
<caldera[UL]> no one wants my linux!
<turbolinux[UL]> i got owned.
<caldera[UL]> u all tricked me. linux is lame.
* caldera[UL] is now known as SCO
<SCO> i'm going back to unix.
<SGI> yeah! want to do unix with me?
<SCO> haha. no. lamer.
<novell> lol
<ibm> snap!
<SGI>
<SCO> hey, u shut up. im gonna sue u ibm.
<ibm> wtf?
<SCO> yea, you stole all the good stuff from unix.
<red_hat> lol
<SuSE[UL]> heraus laut lachen
<ibm> lol
<SCO> shutup. i'm gonna email all your friends and tell them you suck.
<ibm> go ahead. baby.
<SCO> andandand... i revoke your unix! how do you like that?
<ibm> oh no, you didn't. AIX is forever.
<novell> actually, we still own unix, you can't do that.
<SCO> wtf? we bought it from u.
<novell> whoops. our bad.
<SCO> i own u. haha
<SCO> ibm: give me all your AIX now!
<ibm> whatever. lamer.
* ibm sets mode +b SCO!*@*
* SCO has been kicked from #os (own this.)
Apple is giving all developers who attend the WWDC conference a free preview copy of Panther.
I suspect, incidentally, that you're right. There's a load of comments about it being free because it's an "odd numbered release". Bollocks. 10.1 was free because 10.0 was barely usable, not because it was an odd number. Jaguar is a good, mature, stable OS, Apple doesn't have to compensate people for using it...
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
It did receive fixes. Before some 10.2.x update, Mail.app would have serious problems with nested IMAP folders. I reported the bug to apple and they fixed it.
All I have to complain about is that with large folders it appears to stall indexing them but simply quitting and restarting it clears the issue (and no, Force Quit doesn't destroy anything). Also I wouldn't mind if it had parallel IMAP/POP connections but as far as I'm concerned I'm very pleased by it.
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Mi domando chi à il mandante di tutte le cazzate che faccio - Altan
What's with all the "brushed metal"-looking programs this time around? I thought Apple was going for UI consistancy. Surely having a bunch of built-in programs that look totally different from everything else on the system defeats the purpose here? And if you must violate your own UI consistancy standards, you should at least do it for something less ugly-looking than brushed metal. Ew!
DO you have evidence?
Sure. I've got a 900 MB mailbox I can't send email from anymore because if I send more than 2 attachments, it replaces the additional ones with randomly-selected email from my Inbox. I had to create a new Identity (thus making a new mailbox file) in order to continue working. At least I can easily reference my old mailbox. (And, yes, I've already tried all the rebuild functions and whatnot.)
M$ was willing to help with it, but only if I sent them my mailbox file. Riiiiigghhht. I'm a little uncomfortable with sending my personal email (that dates back to 1996) to M$.
Jory
OS X has excellent reliability and stability. Thankfully that's one thing BSD and NeXT helped them achieve from the get go. While I agree that eye candy is fluffy and useless, there is a HUGE issue in between those, and that is USABILITY.
OS X was criticized early on by MacOS fanatics who thought they changed too much. In retrospect some of the changes were good, and some were bad. Regardless, OS X still has a long way to go to reach it's usability potential. There's lots of room for aquafying CLI tools and subtle things like putting the date in the menubar clock. The screenshots show a lot of new meat to the OS, not just cosmetic changes. I don't know whether I agree with charging $100 for the upgrade, but I'll still pay and love it.
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Bowie J. Poag
That's not a Mail.app bug, that's an OS X behavior. I've experienced this particular little "feature" with MT-Newswatcher, Safari/Chimera/MSIE, AlphaX, Preview, etc.
That said, I've been using Mail.app to handle email from 5 different accounts since 10.0 and I've had no problems with it.
I live in Japan - my family lives in the states. Reason enough for me.
I have 8 Mbit DSL - I can do full voice and video on a PC.
People always told me that Macs were better at Audio/Video.
(Has that changed?)
This was typed on a Mac.
-- My Weblog.
While some may consider it flattering that you want to make Linux look like Mac OS X, Aqua is the property of Apple Computer; it's a trademark, and nobody else has the right to make a user interface just like it.
After seeing posts like these and the cease & desist story on FreeCraft, I have to wonder how much "innovation" open source software actually accomplishes. It seems the entire OSS movement is more interested in stealing other people's ideas than concocting their own.
I like big butts and I cannot lie.
Taken directly from the MacRumors forums:
[quote]
Re: This is fake
First, I'm really really really pissed off because I wrote this whole message and then accidentally deleted it. Seems you can't control-Z in these input boxes.
Second, I think these shots are fake, too. I hope they are for some of the reasons outlined below. I'll be going into a lot less detail in light of the fact that I'm having to type it all again. I did do an Observation/Conclusion thing, but this time I'll just make the observations and you can make your own conclusions.
I have only skimmed the thread, so apologies if these points have been brought up. Just seemed like everyone was "WOOHOO"ing without really looking closely. And similarity to other posts is just coincidence.
OBSERVATION: In the Activity Monitor window there are strange inconsistencies.
* First there are really tacky colours. Windows type tacky colour, not beautiful Apple colours.
* Second, the "% Nice" uses a , to seperate the decimals, not a . like the rest of the %'s. This smacks to me of a slip-up by someone European making the fakes.
* Third, the "Threads" and "Processes" don't line up right. Unless this is a very early build, it's very sloppy.
OBSERVATION: Yahoo Instant messenger is in the dock and on the desktop. If this is Panther, that presumably means no Yahoo support in iChat.
OBSERVATION: In the full screen of the expose desktop, Safari is all blocked out. Why? What incriminating website could he/she be looking at?
OBSERVATION: Why are the iChat windows censored totally? Why not just block them out like the Safari window?
OBSERVATION: About Finder is all wrong. "The Macintosh Desktop Experience"? And why "Finder version 10.3" rather than "Mac OS X (10.3)" like we'd expect? These aren't big things, obviously, but still...
OBSERVATION: No build number. Seems strange, since they'll most likely be giving out preview copies on Monday, and developers will want to know what build they're working with. If it's the final release, how did slip-ups like above creep in?
OBSERVATION: In the iChat window, it says "There is no camera attached to this computer." Yet the progress bar seems to be showing activity of some sort?
OBSERVATION: The Finder window named Xdrive is metal, but not entirely consistently. The metal has a bar down the right, next to the scroll bar, unlike Safari. This on its own is nothing that important, but the grow icon thing in the bottom right seems misplaced.
OBSERVATION: In the Mail screenshot, the "Working Offline" seems all wrong. Especially the "o" in working.
It just seems all wrong to me. I'm bound to end up with egg on my face, but I thought these items needed discussion.
- Jimmni
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Points worth thinking about.
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"We borrow it from our children"
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Ah, actually there are considerable differences between 10.2 and this release. And dont forget that what you see is a pre-release and not the real deal! So, you really should get your facts straight before posting such gibberish!! I dont even think you even use OSX to post that you cant tell the difference between 10.2 and 10.3!! Firstly, there is the addition to the ichat for video conferencing. Then you have this new 'expose' feature that allows you to temporarily see all windows open at once so you can click on any window to bring it to the front. Then there's this colour label feature that exists in mac classic but osx doesnt have it. The finder window looks different as well...hmmm..get my point? And I dont even believe these are all the new features.
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I dont understand ? unless the person leaking the screenshots ws looking at porn or something?
Well spoken! ;)
Either slashdot should retract all articles that might be read on other news sites, or at least apologise profusely for being so redundant.
In fact, Slashdot should really just close up shop since all they do is repeat articles and news easily gleaned from browsing through 5 or 10 thousand websites, and a few hundred newsgroups.
Admit it Slashdot, you're just a wanna be
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The system prefs seem to not have user-focus (judging by the lack of colour close, resize etc buttons). That could be the explanation for the missing pinstripes.
I can't see by the screenshots if the menu-bars are still transparent without focus. I suspect they are no longer transparent as stacked transparent menu-bars often got a little confusing in the older versions.
Will be intersting to see the next evolution of the UI for this OS and its less obvious (from the screenshots) changes. Apple have provoked extreme reactions with their UI, but they do seem to be listening to recommendations.
Come on, what more did you expect from such a belaguered computer maker?
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They don't because they don't believe it will make them money. Seriously.
... this really isn't an attack on you or the GNOME/KDE teams. Some of this is going to seem harsh, but I'm stating my opinion. Please don't take it personally, or as a slam to KDE or GNOME, since I do actually like both of these projects, even though I don't think they (or Apple, for that matter) are the best thing since sliced neko bread.
... what do you mean, exactly, by "little incompatibilities"? Are you throwing this out to make your post look balanced, or did you have something specific in mind? I couldn't think of anything off hand ... until I realized that switching to GNOME or KDE would likely mean GTK+ or QT, which would involve changing the entire desktop API for every Mac OS application. This is not! a "little" incompatibility. Making some sort of Cocoa wrapper would be a huge pain in the ass, no matter how good a coder you are. That would still be better than forcing every OS X developer to rewrite their application (again, if it used to be an old OS 9- program). This would be a huge waste of Apple's time and money and probably piss off their developers to no end.
Using GNOME or KDE in their next release would be a horrible idea for Apple. And here's why.
Apple already just recently (well, 10.0) totally changed their UI and user experience from what it had been for a decade. That pissed off a lot of hardcore old users. Apple doesn't need to go alienating their users again. (And no, I don't feel that the Aqua themes "count". They're pretty, but they're not "there", from my recollection.)
Performance-wise? The most recent releases of GNOME and KDE felt slower on my 866 MHz i686 machine than 10.2 did on my 700 MHz PPC750. Apple really doesn't need their OS getting slower, especially on their low-end machines, which people here already bitch and taunt as being horribly underpowered.
Finally
Really finally, now, as a matter of personal opinion, I do actually like the whole OS X UI system better than GNOME or KDE. The legions of rabid and not-so-rabid Apple loyalists would probably agree with me, since OS X probably at least tries to follow whatever Apple's UI standards are. Not only are GNOME and KDE "not Apple", but the UI experience is different. So I don't think Apple would garner support from their users by switching.
Apple has been releasing (paid for) OS updates at a rate of about 1 per year for the last 5 years. Every 6 months or so, they release a free update. With OS X there have been more frequent patches and updates, but in general the 1 OS update per year hasn't really changed.
Why is this? Is the system software really changing that dramatically? What makes the older versions of X so hard to support?
A quick answer: in the "Macintosh universe" (for lack of better word) it is much more common to purchase your OS as OEM than it is in the "Windows-Intel unverse". 100% of Macs are being sold with an OEM MacOS (even those that are sold with Linux pre-installed). I don't know the exact figures for x86 machines, but they are obviously nowhere near the 100% figure. If you are a Windows developer, the Windows 95/98 users are still an important client group for you. But if you are a MacOS developer, you don't pay much attention to the MacOS 8.1 users, since they are probably also stuck with pre-1998 machines, and if they didn't cough out money for a new machine in 5-6 years, they will probably neither cough out it for your application. On the other hand, every new Mac that was recently sold was also sold with a recent MacOS. So you don't have to worry, like your Windows counterpart, "is the market ready for a XP-only application". You KNOW that the market is ready for Jaguar-only apps - so why waste your time and energy for MacOS 9.x?
You know, I have a TiBook and I'm very happy with it, but I have to echo your question.
OSX is better than the competition, but it drives me nuts how it fails to live up to its potential. The old Mac OS sucked at a technical level, but I greatly prefer the interface. The NeXT interface was far better than Aqua as well, in my opinion. I'd love to have the option to make OSX look and act like either.
Under the hood it's great. And the GUI is a step above Windows, at least. But it's still a real POS compared to what it should have been.
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Yeah, it's so unfair that people want to get paid for things they've put years of work into. Everyone should just give you whatever you want for free. That makes much more sense.
It is true that, by the end of OS9, Apple had refined the user interface very well. It "drove" like a sports car, giving excellent feedback about what was happening. To an experienced user, it was fast, efficient, and transparent.
A lot of that was lost in the transition to Aqua. Some of it is slowly being reincorporated. Aqua also has some new ideas (like "sheets") that are better than OS9 (modal dialogues).
I have heard that "brushed metal" is Jobs' obsession. To me, it is a step backward in usability, and I don't even think it looks good, either.
Reading Slashdot is ruining my spelling and grammar.
If you're trying to stick up for Apple, don't let anyone from Xerox PARC hear you saying that... :-)
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In response to your slightly trollest comment.
Apple have to maintain their "old proprietary stuff" in order to protect their brand. Being a hardware company they have to provide some reason to buy a mac over a dell and user experience is the primary one. Its called a USP or unique selling point. So you are looking at a political/design problem and not engineering/coding problem. Plus Xwindows doesn't hold a candle to quartz. IMHO Apple are walking a fine line between OSS on the one side and propriety code on the other, While not aggressively trying to embrace and extend ala Microsoft, cut them some slack will you.
What I hope will happen is that the OSS UIs that are around start to incorporate some of the ideas from Aqua rather then just trying to clone windows - A practice I personally find to be pathetic considering that windows is just a knock off of Apples ideas in the first place and a pretty lame one at that.
the fact that 10.1 was "free". of course by free, I mean that you could go to an apple store and get an upgrade or pay 20 bucks to get the CD shipped to you, but that's a moot point compared to the 79 or 129 prices of 10.2. In all honesty 10.3 will probably be pay, as its another upgrade like 10.2 was i.e. lots of under the hood, and a few new/upgraded apps. I still say bring it on though.
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Apple is renowned for its consistant UI design and Mac users renowned for demanding such consistancy from vendors.
This leaves me wondering, then, what the reasoning isbehind having two completely different types of application window? What sets a brushed-metal window apart from a conventionally-bordered window?
This is not intended as an anti-Mac troll. I don't often get to use Mac OS X, so this is just simple curiosity.
Gah! They liscensed it originally, which implies consent, as well as money.
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Oh man. and silly me, I went out and bought a two button mouse, this feature sounds like its much much more convenient...
I should stop encouraging trolls, shouldn't I?
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I thought Apple was going to implement their "Piles" concept in this release?
http://homepage.mac.com/rdas7/piles.html (you'll need a Flash-enabled browser)
http://theregister.co.uk/content/39/30360.html
True, but it's a normal Mail.app screen with nothing in the inbox. That's some damn good spam filtering.
If you are using the 'Graphite' appearance instead of the 'Blue' appearance, closing the wrong window can be a big problem. In 'Blue' the buttons are multicolored like you said, and it's easy to see which one is active. In 'Graphite' the buttons are just less faint and it's easy to make a mistake.
where they assuming that Apple users can't distinguish right from left ?
I don't know about Mac users, but I know plenty of Windows users who can't seem to tell right from left. If I only had a nickel for every time this exchange has taken place during a tech support call I have taken from a Windows user:
Me: "Okay, now right-click on that icon to bring up the context menu, and select 'Properties' from it."
Them: "Ok, I clicked on it, but the icon just goes dark."
Me: "Did you click, or right-click?"
Them: "What do you mean, 'right-click'?
Me: "Right-click, as in, click the right mouse button."
Them [astonished]: "You mean it does *something else*???"
Let me tell you how Apple came to use the horrible, one-button mouse. When they were developing the Lisa and Mac, they were also hiring scads of employees to do admin & custodial jobs and other non-techie stuff. Many of them had never touched a computer before, and Apple used them for testing to find the optimal number of buttons on the mouse. One is the correct number of buttons for the uninitated user, as borne out by usability testing. When people get used to their machine and learn the ins and outs of the OS, they can cough up a couple bucks for a multi-button mouse with lots of bells and whistles.
Finally, I do believe that recent changes to Apple's nomenclature indicate that the new towers to be announced Monday will include a multi-button mouse with a scroll wheel-- the mouse that comes with the consumer level systems has been changed from "Pro Mouse" to just plain "Mouse," and I think the new keyboard that has begun shipping with those systems is likewise simply named "Keyboard." This could indicate that the "professional" desktop Macs are going to ship with more feature-laden mice and keyboards than the machines aimed at Grandma and other first-time computer users.
~Philly
I think you really need to read about these little coupons,just a heads up. They really don't mean Jack until Monday, and then only for folks that buy the "New" hardware. Depending on when Panther ships maybe not even for them. These coupons only really help with your OS version when Major OS announcements happen, and then only for new purchases that donâ(TM)t have the âoeAnnouncedâ OS version on them, and on rare occasions purchases up to a month previous to the Major announcement. I guarantee that if you bring in your little green coupon to an Apple dealer or an Apple store and expect a boxed version of 10.3 you will be giggled at. .Mac membership.
Buy any Mac and Macromedia Studio MX and save $500,
Get a Canon i450 Color Bubble Jet Printer free, or get $99 back.
Current uses of these coupons are. $69.95 for a one-year
Or if for some crazy reason your recently bought Mac had say 10.1 on it , the Apple fulfillment center would send you 10.2 disks, if you pay the shipping.
That's it that's all, if you are not going to take advantage of any of the above offers then the coupons are worth nada, zip, zero, bunkums, Zippo.
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Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
not sure what Folder Actions are, but they could also be an interesting addition
If folder actions are applescripts that run when files are added or removed from folders (I think that's what they call it), that's available now.
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Panther will be alot better for smp Xserve boxes, and Java Servlets. (Java uses threading heavily as opposed to seperate processes). Yahoo even turned down Java for PHP because FreeBSD 4.x did not have good threading. Remember that previous versions of MacOSX used FreeBSD 4.2 and 4.4 for alot of the internals. SMP support in FreeBSD 4.x = Linux 2.0.
Macs have great UI's and if you use a computer as a workstation, a good as well as flexible gui is nice to have. Also apple uses better resolution icon's and heavy colors so its visual apealing to your eye's. Even the fonts are professionally done with heavy R&D so they are not too blury and easy to read. Try MacOSX for a week and kde, gnome and even Windows will be painfull.
Remember that Apple makes workstations, desktops, and laptops are for consumers so UI is extremely important unlike tradional unixies. They are not made for computer experts. Graphical artists are Apple's main customers who are obsessed with detail. The gui is as important if not more then stability for this market. Internals are not that important.
I have never used MacOSX but I was told that its not as stable as big iron unix's like Solaris or even Linux. It came out a little too early and was quite slow.
Both reliablity and speed improved as the OS matured. But its a hell of alot more stable then MacOS9 or Windows95x. The api's are more solid as well which make bugs less apearent for third party apps that use them.
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Well, OpenOffice's native file formats are basically an XML stylesheet .ZIPped with your information in text format...finally a file format that would be easy for other programs to use (it's an open standard) and file sizes are very reasonable too.
GIMP is impressive solely for the fact it's an open answer to Photoshop (c'mon, how many of you actually USE CMYK separations?) and it works. You have no excuse to use Photoshop Elements or Paint Shop Pro, because there is a Win32 version out there.
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That's a hell of a decision to make from a very few images and comments of dubious origins.
Apple has almost always been very conservative with their version numbering schemes. They're not ones to jump to the next whole integer just for the glitz of it.
When 11.0 is released it will either be one of two things:
1. A complete re-write and restructuring of the underlying OS and APIs in a new language or for a new processor/system technology. The re-write will be totally invisible to the end user who will have the nearly the same exact user experience as the previous 10.x version (ala Sys 6 to Sys 7).
2. The entire OS will be redone, a completely new UI willbe developed and the entire Mac OS as you knew it will be tossed out the window. (ala MacOS 9 to MacOS X). Since this has only happened once in the almost 20 years of Macintosh existence, I would doubt VERY highly that this would occur on your desired upgrade timeline.
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updates to OSs focus soley on the eye candy, and
ignore issues of whats changed under the hood to
actually make the OS better. It would be sad
indeed if we have reached the point in OS development where all that matters is if the
title bar is brushed metal or something else.
That's somewhat of a trick question, because the answer is "I wouldn't." Nobody would.
However, there is a fundamental difference between an older PC and an older Mac. I built my current 1.5GHz PC roughly 2 years ago. I've since upgraded the RAM to 768MB of PC2100 DDR, added a somewhat newer video card (Voodoo3 to TNT2 Ultra), and picked up a couple new drives to replace my *really* old floppy drive and CD-R. It's my day-to-day workhorse and handles everything from multi-track audio editing to gaming and graphic design.
This was previously a 233MHz Pentium MMX. I scrapped the parts, keeping the video card, monitor, cd drives, and sound card. Everything else was brand new and I spent less than $600 for all of it.
So, what's the theme here?
For not even a quarter of the cost of a new Mac, I put together a whole new machine, and more than 2 years later, it's still fast, efficient, and responsive to virtually everything I throw at it. If I need to upgrade to a faster processor without replacing the mobo, I can. Even if I were to upgrade the CPU, hard drives, video card, sound card, and memory, I still wouldn't come even CLOSE to the price of a G4.
Why is this significant?
Because my PC will still outperform the most current Apple systems. Should I decide to build an entirely new system another year or two from now, that new system will still outperform a new Mac (yes, even the upcoming G5) for considerably lesser cost. I'm still getting high-quality parts, eye-pleasing case and monitor, and all the software I need, but i'm not spending a ridiculous amount of money for a powerful, stable system.
"Obsolete" to me means "no longer able to be productive within the limits of my machine". We've had friends over who've sat down at my girlfriend's 500MHz system and even they have said that they're surprised at how fast and responsive it is under Win2k.
Imo, neither of these systems is even near obsolete. If you can show me a Mac system that's still responsive when running Softimage|XSI, Photoshop, and Mozilla Firebird simultaneously, then I might take the price of an Apple system a little more seriously.
I'm not trying to claim that PCs are the most godlike systems ever, but for someone within my budget (which believe me, isn't much), it's the most flexible when it comes to available applications, processing power, and productivity. Even if I have a larger budget, I'd still likely choose a PC, because I don't feel, at this point, that paying a premium for a Mac is justified for what the system is giving you back. Computers should be a price = power situation, where what you pay out is directly in correlation with what you get. Paying out nearly $4000 for a new system that barely competes with a system that I custom-built 2 years ago just isn't justifiable for my budget, or my work.
I'd pay a shitload for a high-end x86-based system, but that should mean sheer fucking POWER. At the rate that Apple charges for their systems, I could probably build a dual-Xeon system that's still cheaper and smokes the shit out of Apple, my old 1.5Ghz, *and* my girlfriend's 500Mhz.
Huh? An injection of facts and truth to support a logical conclusion? That doesn't belong here; this is Slashdot!
The circle of theft is supposed to go Xerox->Apple->Microsoft->KDE. Didn't you know that? How dare you suggest the circle be broken!
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Why not? Seeing as how Xerox licensed it and everything. That's right, stop believing your IRC buddies--Apple legally got what they got from Xerox.
It's just like the false Bill Gates "640kb" quote. People refuse to believe otherwise because it fits their agendas.
Next.
"Sufferin' succotash."
The activity viewer is a nice GUI improvement over the Process Viewer in the Jaguar Utilities folder (which is just a simple GUI for ps). This will make a nice helper for telephone tech support people trying to get grandma's computer problem licked. Note that the title bar of this window isn't "metal" or "blue courderoy" as we know them today. Looking at other screen shots this appears to either be a tip off that these are fake or an indication of a subtle interface theme evolution.
Expose' looks like a neat feature but probably more complex than most people will want to deal with. I'm also curious how the corner activation behavior will work with multiple screens.
The one panel Finder window looks like a very cool user interface improvement to tackle problems of novice users ("I have to dig so deep to get to my home folder" and "why can't I have a simple desktop like OS 9") The new highlighting method (blue rounded rectangle around the filename) looks like a nice eye candy improvement.
System Preferences has gotten rid of ColorSync, My Account, and Login Items. Combined Desktop and Screen Savers. Combined mouse & keyboard. Added a Print & Fax icon. Added icons for Security and Expose'. Hopefully this indicates a trend of trying to integrate tools from the Utilities folder into the System Preferences.
While all of these are nice changes (and I will be first in line to buy my copy), I don't think these changes alone are compelling justifications of a large upgrade price for an experienced user. I hope Apple will backport any security and bug fix updates for Panther back to Jaguar for those users who don't find the upgrade makes sense.
Original ideas are overrated. I'm not impressed by something wildly new, especially in interface design -- just look at the shambling wreck that is Enlightenment to give an idea of how much "originality" can be a bad thing. I'm much more pleased to see competent integration of pre-existing, and possibly obscure ideas, and OSX is chock full of that. BeOS was an even better example: very little was original, but being able to use a system that glued together all these great ideas was wonderful, and the few ideas from BeOS that truly were new -- the clever filesystem for example -- seem to be gradually trickling back to the mainstream operating systems.
So, back to what I was originally thinking, if not saying. Original ideas aren't that big of a deal. If you're going to accuse the open source people of ripping off their best idea, keep in mind that Apple and Microsoft have done plenty of this themselvees -- and that's okay! Better to play into what people have learned over the years than to take off on weird experiments that leave everyone confused (e.g. Microsoft Bob). Whether or not Apple had a license, it wasn't originality, but that doesn't bother me at all, and I can't see why other people make such a big stink over the fact that it happens.
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Steve Jobs come on stage, talks about lots of nifty new stuff for a long while, then prepare to go away, turn back to face the crowd...
"Oh, and one more thing, I almost forgot to talk about Panther..."
Audience yawns, somebody yells "We already saw the sceenshots!"
Steve looks a little bit disoriented "euh, yes, hum"...
But quickly recovers "Oh, and one more thing, we have at the back a demonstration machine of the new PowerMacs coming to market next month, you are really going to shit in your pants with these"
A few Apple guys come on stage with a machine described by Steve as a dual G5 (970) 2GHz, audience yawns, somebody yells "Yes, we have known for THREE BLOODY DAYS".
Steve positively looks finished, his face looking down, his speech notes fall from his hands, the lights on stage dim out while he slowly turns to exit, he advances near the back of the stage, and stops!
A spot lights up on him, his hunched body straightens up, he turns back to face the crowd with a small smile on his face, advance to the podium with long strides and start speaking:
"You will have to excuse me but I almost forgot this one LAST thing due to ship in two month."
Curtains open, revealing another machine which Jobs describes as a dual PPC G5 (970) 2.5GHz with more bells and whistles than you can shake a stick at to an audience that stays here gobsmacked, not believing what they see.
After having written this I guess I will be labeled a deluded Mac Zealot but the truth is that while MacOSX makes me drool (figuratively of course) I never owned a Mac myself but if I was in Steve Jobs position with a long string of surprises at previous keynotes and with a new architecture that cannot be too surprising in itself given how badly it is needed and expected I probably would manufacture some rumours and faked leaks to dull people's expectancy into a big surprise and then I would use a wild card to shock and awe (to reuse an already overused term) the audience by its unexpectedness as much as by its intrinsic quality. Of course this is assuming that Apple does have such a card up its sleeve.
"The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers." Bill Gates,
What is crazier then the images is the fact that those of us going to WWDC next week are going to pay Apple up to 2 grand to let us drink their kool-aid. .............and get to talk directly to the engineers, marketing, etc. But hey.
A better precedent for your argument is the canonical Lotus vs. Borland case, in which case it was ruled that a menu system was not artistic expression protected by copyright. Note that the first trial judge ruled against Borland, saying words like "Cut" and "Paste" could be changed to, e.g., "Snip" and "Dupe." Had his ruling stood, we'd have had to learn a new menu system for every software company, raising the barrier of entry for new software companies who would have had to invent new words and keyboard shortcuts for "File/Open" = Ctrl-O, and innovation would be even more stifled than it already is. Can you imagine shopping for cars if each company had a different mapping for left pedal = break, right pedal = gas?
You tell me how "whilst" differs from "while," and I'll stop calling you a pretentious jackass.
Actually, I think you're simply posting personl opinion and arguing personal preference more than anything concrete.
.tmp, while leaving the rest alone, for example? With no command line whatsoever, and no really good file manager, this is rather difficult. (Writing an Applescript to do it isn't exactly a user-friendly option either.)
I found MacOS9 much less than a "well-refined user interface". Why? Well, let me list a few items that come to mind:
1. When MacOS boots, only some extensions are shown loading up (with the associated puzzle piece icons). Why are some hidden while others get icons? Any logic to it whatsoever? Why is there no way to find out what one is during the boot sequence? As it is, one has to go to extensions manager and match up the picture to an item description to discover what it is.
2. MacOS lacked a good file management tool/utility. Want to delete all files in a given folder that start with a4 and end with an extension of
3. MacOS lacked a number of Internet-related tools. Personal web sharing in OS9 was far from "robust", for example. FTP or telnet, non-existant. OS X is light-years ahead in this arena.
4. MacOS numerical error codes were far from user-friendly or steps "forward in usability". Error 192 in Launcher? Not very intuitive.
5. The often-used "trick" of making an action happen only when the mouse button is held down for more than a couple seconds isn't obvious at all. One never really knows if holding the button down on an object will accomplish something or not. (Well, not until you try it and memorize the fact that it's useful for a specific item.)
Personally, I think the brushed metal "theme" looks pretty slick in programs like iTunes. I might nor care for it if EVERY program I used in OS X had brushed metal all over it, but it's fine for Apple's own commerical apps. Maybe it'll become a quick identifier than you're using an Apple-branded app?
Yes the g4 sucks goatballs compared to your system. No arguments from me here. The reason for this is your 2001 cpu is actually newer then Motorolla's G4! The G4 is well over 5 years old. Imagine using a pentium or pentium pro today? It was designed in 1997 and came out in late 98/early 99.
They have really screwed Apple and I am glad they finally booted them off their platform.
Traditionally PowerPC based macs were twice as fast as Windows machines or close to the same speed for half the price during the mid 1990's.
What changed is Motorolla's commitment, the cheaper development of wintel boxes, and the AMD vs Intel war.
Motorolla's shareholders do not want to upgrade their chip facilities as well as invest R&D for cutting edge chip designs. Its expensive and the embedded market is more profitable for them.
Then why are G4's expensive? Motorolla must use Intel for chip development. Intel of course charges the competition alot. Second to meet shareholders expectations they need to raise the price of their G3's and G4's and use the money to create embedded chips so they can claim they are growing on their SEC sheets.
Third, G4's are slow because they were designed in the 1990's and use ancient SDRAM technology. The new DDR based mac's have a chipset to slow down access from the memory to the cpu! Yes the pci based devices can use the newer memory but not the crippled g4's.
Motorolla even tried to make a g4 with full ddr support via the G5, but did not plan on improving any radical performance boasts. They were still planning to charge an arm and a leg and provide a inferior solution. After all they owned a monopoly on the cpu for the mac right? Wrong.
Anyway the new IBM built 64 bit macs in which Panter is designed for are very very fast. Go read some preliminayr leaked benchmarks at macslash.org for more info.
IBM wants to make cheap blade servers running AIX so they needed to mass produce a slimmed down version of their power4 processor. Apple is perfect for creating large bulk to reduce costs for IBM. The powerpc970 aka g5 aka power4-lite is a slimmed down power4 powerpc based processor. It can easily beat a pentiumIII 3ghz hands down in most benchmarks( real, not photoshop ). For things like encryption key building its almost twice as fast.
But the cool thing about this is that they use so little watts. Risc processors make great laptops.
What you say it true for at least the next couple of months. I would not touch a mac today. However by christmass....
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Interesting complaint. I never noticed this myself, so I hit cmd-n about ten times in Safari to try to replicate the problem you experienced. Good news: I found a fix/work-around. All you have to do is pay attention to the windows and notice which one is covering the others. The window in front, is in front of all the others. It even casts a shadow on the windows below it!