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RFID Explained

SecurityFocus has a nice column summarizing the last year's worth of stories about RFID. Of course, you, diligent Slashdot reader, have read about many of these already. But for your slacker friends that need an RFID education in one easy-to-digest article, here you go.

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  1. There's a war going on, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    and the only way to defend ourselves is with an electromagnetic pulse, our only defense against sentinel tags.

  2. Interesting technology by Meat+Blaster · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I guess I don't see why we aren't using it already. This could drop inventory costs to a quarter of what they were before -- no more all-nighters trying to discover what's in stock and what isn't.

    Isn't Wal-Mart adopting it?

    1. Re:Interesting technology by Carbonite · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This could drop inventory costs to a quarter of what they were before -- no more all-nighters trying to discover what's in stock and what isn't.

      I'm betting that manual inventories would still be required periodically. It might only happen once a year instead of every quarter, but there would still have to be some proof for the accountants. This would be especially true in the first few years of the system, when the bugs are still being worked out.

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    2. Re:Interesting technology by elwinc · · Score: 2, Redundant
      Here's a quote from the article, which, to me, indicates why we should all be against ubiquitous RFIDs:
      Right now, you can buy a hammer, a pair of jeans, or a razor blade with anonymity. With RFID tags, that may be a thing of the past. Some manufacturers are planning to tag just the packaging, but others will also tag their products. There is no law requiring a label indicating that an RFID chip is in a product. Once you buy your RFID-tagged jeans at The Gap with RFID-tagged money, walk out of the store wearing RFID-tagged shoes, and get into your car with its RFID-tagged tires, you could be tracked anywhere you travel. Bar codes are usually scanned at the store, but not after purchase. But RFID transponders are, in many cases, forever part of the product, and designed to respond when they receive a signal. Imagine everything you own is "numbered, identified, catalogued, and tracked." Anonymity and privacy? Gone in a hailstorm of invisible communication, betrayed by your very property.
      Spelling it out, this means institutions that choose to can automatically and cheaply start assembling a history of which RFID tags go where, and when. Still not scared? Next step: when the cops come to pick you up as a "material witness" they can easily scan your clothing and compare it to the RFID histories. Is everyone going to feel just as free to complain about the moron-in-chief, worship unpopular religions, and excercise their legal right to dissent against the powers-that-be if such technology becomes widespread?
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    3. Re:Interesting technology by aggieben · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is just completely irrational: Right now, you can buy a hammer, a pair of jeans, or a razor blade with anonymity.

      Umm...not unless you buy with cash

      Once you buy your RFID-tagged jeans at The Gap with RFID-tagged money, walk out of the store wearing RFID-tagged shoes, and get into your car with its RFID-tagged tires, you could be tracked anywhere you travel. Bar codes are usually scanned at the store, but not after purchase. But RFID transponders are, in many cases, forever part of the product, and designed to respond when they receive a signal. Imagine everything you own is "numbered, identified, catalogued, and tracked." Anonymity and privacy? Gone in a hailstorm of invisible communication, betrayed by your very property.
      There's a simple solution: the tags will be removed from the products you buy at the store, much like current devices are. First, the store has incentive to re-use the tags. Yes, they may be cheap and get cheaper, but if they're reusable then most companies are going to want to reuse them. Secondly, if you had been reading anything else in the thread or simply been using your head, you would realize that even if the tags were to stay on the products, they couldn't be scanned from anywhere. The scanning range is only a few feet. Also, who's to say that there will be any connection between the id stored in the tag and your name? Companies would have no reason to keep track, and they're the only ones who could get that information. Also, for most products (e.g., non-electronic) destroying the tag would be somewhat trivial (put your Gap jeans in the microwave for a while, then see if they can invade your few feet of personal space).

      Instead of spreading FUD, try promoting proper use and regulation of a new technology that could be very beneficial in a lot of areas.

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    4. Re:Interesting technology by Eccles · · Score: 2

      Right now, you can buy a hammer, a pair of jeans, or a razor blade with anonymity. With RFID tags, that may be a thing of the past. Some manufacturers are planning to tag just the packaging, but others will also tag their products.

      So pay cash, and there's no name associated with the purchase, and thus the RFIDs.

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    5. Re:Interesting technology by b29651 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Personally i have found that companies hire others to snoop in other stores to see what advantage a competitor has so yes i can picture them standing outside a competitors store analyzing the shoppers bags as they exit.My answer and response to this is to encourage all of my older friends to stand in line and insist on the removal of the tags before leaving the store cause older people seem to appreciate privacy and technology isnt as important to them.Can you imagine the employees having to explain these aren't bad to 80 year old ladies that think a robber can see what they have bought and is going to try to steal from them.

    6. Re:Interesting technology by TheCrazyFinn · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except the tags could be in the cash.

      Europe is already considering this.

      Oh, and to the guy suggesting that stores will remove the tags, umm, no, they will be in the closthing and products, not on it.

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    7. Re:Interesting technology by MatthewB79 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While the arguments against abuse of the technology are obvious, the benefits to the consumer are not so obvious.

      Have you ever gone to BestBuy and purchased a new piece of software, opened it at home and realized that you just bought a box with a manual and nothing else? Good luck explaining to the manager that someone must have opened the box and taken the jewel case before you purchased it. With RFID you would be protected from this situation by checking the contents of the box automatically at the register.
      How about turning your car in for an oil change at the local Park-'n'-Lube, getting home and (without opening the hood of your car) using your ACME USB RFID scanner to verify that the oil filter was actually changed and the mechanic didn't just put the old one back on.

      The usefullness of this technology is too great to just ban it outright.

    8. Re:Interesting technology by uberdave · · Score: 2, Informative

      Um... The RFID devices are already being built into the products, not into the tags, but into the products themselves. Also, microwaving an RFID tag embedded in an article of clothing is a fire hazzard. Oh, and what do you do when the embedded RFID device is built into something that would be destroyed by microwaves, say an MP3 player?

      Granted, RFID tagged items would be a boon to inventory systems. But it does create an potentially undesirable electronic trail (manufacturer->vendor->credit/debit card->person)

    9. Re:Interesting technology by Phwoar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wouldn't it bother you knowing that when you walk down the street, anybody walking near you could know how much money you had in your pockets, how many credit cards and which companies they are with, what make of mobile phone you have, what underwear you have on, what personal cd player you are carrying, what type of laptop you have in your case, whether you have a PDA in your bag??

      Or that somebody could come upto your home, maybe scan your burglar alarm to find out what type it is and check up on the 'net to see if it can be easily disabled? Somebody could scan through your window (or wall?) and see what type of computer, tv, vcr, dvd player you have? see what type of clothes you have in your cupboards? what dvds/cds in your collections?

      Theives are always 5 steps ahead of companies, wherever you look. Who's to say this won't be a theives dream? Am I going to have to be scared to walk to streets with anything costing more than afew dollars in my bag?

    10. Re:Interesting technology by MatthewB79 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I'm not trying to discount the dangers of abuse of RFID. Anyone who values privacy and security should be aware of the potential dangers. If some guy on the bus decides he going to snatch my CD player, it's not as if having an RFID tag in it was going to be a huge factor in tempting him.
      somebody could come upto your home, maybe scan your burglar alarm to find out what type it is and check up on the 'net to see if it can be easily disabled? Somebody could scan through your window (or wall?) and see what type of computer, tv, vcr, dvd player you have? see what type of clothes you have in your cupboards? what dvds/cds in your collections?
      This is interesting to me because I thought about this myself. The sticker on my window tells a burglar exactly what security system I use and who administers it.
      Additionally, it has been said many times that the range of the RFID transmitter unit is not more than 3-5 feet. It's not like the drug-addict burglars are going to be picky and choosy over what model and brand name DVD player I have. "Oh wow, my RFID scan-o-matic says this guys got a brand new Mac G5, we better stop here and pick this thing up before we head to the next place!" Why can't my home security system be programmed with the contents of my living room and automatically set off an alarm if any of those tags leave the premises? We might see a shift in the way we look at home security. Instead of just trying to keep people out, there can be ways of keep our valuables in.
    11. Re:Interesting technology by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 4, Funny

      How? It's a short-range technology.

      More POWER:

      "Attention Wal-Mart Employees and Customers, we are now going to perform the hourly RF inventory. You have 30 seconds to put on your aluminum foil hats..."

    12. Re:Interesting technology by elwinc · · Score: 2, Informative
      My original message was modded down for being redundant, but most of your objections could have been answered by reading the original article. There's a simple solution: the tags will be removed from the products you buy at the store, much like current devices are.
      If you read the article you'd see be aware that Michelin, for example, plans to embed tags in every tire, and to associate the tags with your VIN. As the article says: "Do you really want your car's tires broadcasting your every move?" Again, if you read the article, you'd be aware that "The European Central Bank may embed RFID chips in the euro note." Get tagged cash from an ATM, and the bank knows which bills you're carrying. Spend it on a hammer, and there's enough RFID trail to identify who bought the hammer. If you were to read the article before flaming, you'd see it's not completely irrational at all.

      Also, who's to say that there will be any connection between the id stored in the tag and your name?
      there may not be a connection immediately. It may be made later (the same way HTML cookie information is collated). Like when you hand over your ticket and step on an airplane, or when your EZpass equipped car goes through a tollbooth. The data can be collected now, and the individual identified later. Like when the police come to your door to pick you up as a material witness.

      Companies would have no reason to keep track, and they're the only ones who could get that information.
      That's showing a distinct lack of imagination. Companies have a ton of incentive to keep track. For example, think of all the great marketing information you can gather. For example, maybe Gap sweatshirt buyers hang out at the mall food court. Good place to advertise specials. What brands of clothing show up at a baseball game, or a chick flick, or the tool dept. at Sears? This information is valuable, and as it becomes cheaper to collect, companies will want to.

      Instead of spreading FUD, try promoting proper use and regulation of a new technology that could be very beneficial in a lot of areas.
      I'd love to see your suggestions for regulations controlling the use of RFID information. And I'd love to see a bill about it introduced in Congress before it becomes a problem. But as we know from the spam situation, Congress usually waits for something to become a big problem before it's willing to limit the freedom of marketers.

      I also think you should withdraw that comment about FUD. Everything I wrote follows from intentions or potential intentions announced by companies or other institutions and described in the original article.

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    13. Re:Interesting technology by andreMA · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Perhaps you lack the imagination to envision sinister uses of these. I wish I did. I'll give a couple of examples that might help you.

      (1) Visiting places of dissent: There is no need for the cooperation of the organizers of the meeting. The FBI simply does a secret break-in (as allowed under the PATRIOT act) and installs a reader and equipment to record the RFID numbers seen. They retrieve it later, and then track (from the tag manufacturer down) those numbers to the individuals that appeared (not certain, the product could have been a gift, or loaned, etc) to be at the meeting. Using cash might avoid this, but do you recall how you paid for those shoes six months ago?

      (2) RFID tags in money: if this comes to pass, I don't imagine that a law requiring a bank to record the identity and currency serial numbers of all people making cash withdrawals - either by teller or ATM. Say I withdraw $100 in 20's, then loan that to a friend who (unknown to me) uses it to buy crack. The police bust the dealer, track the bills, convince a nitwit judge (plenty of those around, it seems...) that that constitutes "probable cause" to issue a search warrant. Perhaps you're fond of your door being broken down at 3AM, but I am not.

      Note that neither of the above uses require the deployment of a large network of receivers covering "every 4 square feet"

      I'm also doubtful that the police (FBI, whoever) would be using commercial-grade RFID receivers, which are designed in part to be inexpensive for merchants. I strongly suspect that better-engineered (more expensive) receivers and directional antennae would greatly increase the range of the receivers well beyond the two feet cited. That's with present-day technology, as well. If there is a demand from law enforcement for a cheap longer (eg, 50 feet) range receiver, I don't think it would take that long to develop that... and with it the ability to inventory an entire houseful of RFID-tagged products from the outside.

    14. Re:Interesting technology by Drakin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Short range, yes... but it's not hard to say... equip the storage room racks with the receavers and tie the information into the network. Or have a hand held device that sets off the tags and you can read off what's in the vacinity.

      You just have to wire things properly to gather the data.

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  4. diligent readers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    But for your slacker friends that need an RFID education in one easy-to-digest article, here you go.

    Oh, you mean the slacker friend who didn't spend his Friday afternoons reading frivilous websites, who managed to get that promotion instead of me. I'll forward him the link.

  5. Shielding RFID against security by nhaze · · Score: 5, Informative

    Anyone who has used an RFID-based security pass card knows that they are easily shielded. Placing your RFID-secured product in an discreetly shielded bag would render the product nonexistant from RFID-probing security. I hope store that use it to augment theft security don't get lazy and think its unbeatable.

    1. Re:Shielding RFID against security by MosesJones · · Score: 5, Informative

      True.. but if using smart shelves the store will know that the item has been removed from the shelf and now is no-longer in range of a scanner... this should cause an alert as that is not normal behaviour.

      Most theft is internal so identifying patterns of behaviour could be an effective way of decreasing theft.

      The RF elements are the hardest part of this as the power levels are so low, in the US its 4 watts max for the READER, and in Europe its .5 watts. When you consider that the passive tags use the power that the reader puts out you can imagine how sensitive to interference these things are.

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    2. Re:Shielding RFID against security by frumiousbar · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's why I drive with tin foil around my Michelin RFID tagged tires. I go through a lot of tin foil...

    3. Re:Shielding RFID against security by Svartalf · · Score: 2, Informative

      Based on the research of the RFID org that is fighting this (and I can't find the link now but I got if from a recent RFID posting on /.) The range of RFID tags can be up to 40 feet.


      This strongly depends on the tag type. Even passive tags can have a range of 75 or so yards depending on the design of the tag (RF backscatter tags have an incredible range for a passive device...), frequency used, and the sensitivity and noise rejection characteristics of the reader's RF subsystems. Most of the tollway pass tags are passive or battery boosted passive (The battery doesn't power the unit per se, but lowers the response time of the tag dramatically because it's in a sleep state instead of powered off.). In the case of the tags they're talking about putting in merchandise, the range is typically only about 10 or so feet max, usually more along the lines of 3 or less feet- because the antennas on the tags are electrically speaking, crippling small and they're not operating on backscatter principles, but rather a beacon re-transmitting on a different frequency or on the same one when the power is turned off on the reader's end. Advances in tech can only bring you so far in this game. They can't radiate/recieve too much power because the antenna just won't do it for them. Upping the power on the reader will do only so much for you because you hit the wall on the range possible for the antenna on the tag itself. 40 feet's pretty amazing and I'd like to see a merchandise tag that actually can swing that with the measly 2.5 cm or less dipole or meander antennas these tags typically have on them.
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  6. uh oh... by Afbc0m · · Score: 2, Funny

    *watches walmart become target of infinate number of home made EMP devices

    On the other hand, this will prevent people from theft, and quite possibly lower costs, or raise stock value, either way, someone benifets

  7. Re:The Register by pogle · · Score: 2, Informative

    And if you look closely, and RTFA, its the same one as Security Focus. From the author's name, right down to the '©SecurityFocus.com' at the bottom of the article.

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  8. Foolish man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Of course, you, diligent Slashdot reader, have read about many of these already"

    Read? No. Commented about? Yes!

  9. Concerns by cybermint · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While these chips sound very interesting at first, there are obvious privacy concerns. I'm not very comfortable knowing that someone with a portable transceiver could tell exactly how much cash I have in my wallet or what items I just purchased at the store. Criminals could also use this to determine what expensive items were hidden under the back seat of your car before they decide to break your window. The possibility of having RFIDs in my shoes is quite disturbing. I don't want to be tracked everywhere I go.

    How susceptible are these tiny units to small EMP charges? If you drive by a high power radio tower, are the chips in your shoes going to start smoking? While this technology is interesting, I hope it goes no furthur than a replacement for barcodes.

    1. Re:Concerns by Grax · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you microwave your money and blow out the rfid tags will it still be legal tender?

  10. Death of barcodes by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Funny

    The same thing is happening today. I'm here to tell you that the bar code's days are numbered.

    When DigitalConvergence 's CEO and entrepreneur extraordinaire J. Jovan Philyaw hears about this, he'll start making free RFID scanners (CueDogs?) before you know it.

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  11. Mark of the beast? by cleancut · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes...this always comes up anytime some story regarding chips underneath skin. But it doesn't sound too difficult to slip a RFID tag underneath a hand or forehead.

    Sounds an awful lot like this.

    1. Re:Mark of the beast? by rjamestaylor · · Score: 2, Informative
      I'm all for an embedded RFID, as long as I don't have to worship someone to get it (you need to include verse 15, too):
      • 14 Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.

      • 15 He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.
        16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,
        17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
        18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.
      Check out a great explanation of the beast and the number of the beast. Hint: it's a reference to Nero who was, was not, and will be.
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  12. Not just for tagging consumers' chlotes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    These RF tags are perfect for tagging clothes, as the blurb pointed out. But an even more sinister use than tagging clothes is tagging the people who wear the clothes. And I'm especially referring to a certain kind of person:

    Slavery is alive and well in this country, and I'm not referring merely to rhetorical or political slavery, but actual slavery. Women from foreign countries, particularly southeast-Asian countries are flown to America and promised low-paying but normal jobs performing menial labor or housecleaning services, but when they arrive, they discover to their horror that the real purpose is to prostitute themselves for the financial benefit of their masters. These women (and even children) are trapped, since they don't speak English, don't have the money to fly home, and don't have the physical or mental stamina to escape their tormentors after so much abuse.

    How is this relevant to RF tags? Think of how much easier it would be to kidnap people from airports if all you needed to do was wander around with a small device, picking up the signals from the tags embedded in clothing given to the erstwhile immigrants back in their home countries. No longer would there have to be complicated networks of international communication -- they'd just have to agree on a certain range of serial numbers (of which there are trillions, as the article points out), hand out "free" clothes to people boarding the plane at departure, and sit back while agents at the US airports haul in the "goods".

    This never would've been possible if we'd stuck to normal barcodes -- it's simply impossible to read barcodes surreptitiously. And since criminals are always the first to adopt new technologies for these devious purposes, it's only a matter of time before it comes to an airport near you, Thirteenth Amendment be damned.

  13. Simple Answer by rabtech · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think Congress should mandate that any product which contains an RFID tag must be clearly labelled as such, and the store must provide you the option of disabling the tag before leaving the store (perhaps a certain device you walk through or something?)

    Products that have RFID tags only in the packaging could be exempt, since those tags don't stick with the product.

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  14. Big Brother? not necessarily. by griffjon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Everyone freaks out about RFIDs, but I remain in the camp that these could be really cool, as long as consumers (ok, geeks) figure out how to control them (by burning them out or just finding the darned things and removing them from unwanted places, like the back of a Yugo [1])

    Ever lose your cell phone and have someone call it so you could find it? Imagin being able to do that with any random item? superglue a RFID onto it, and walk around with a semi-portable RFID scanner. OK, not as great due to the limited range of the things, but you could pretty easily determine if the keys were under the couch or not.

    Now, the sucky thing will be if (when) manufacturers build RFIDs into places that you can't get to without destroying the item or voiding the warranty.

    So, we need an opt-out method for RFIDs, which may be as simple as a way to find the lil' bastards and plier them flat, but beyond the scare, there's promise:

    telnet homenetwork : fridgeport
    Brr! it's cold in here [45F]! Can I have your username?
    > JoeBachelor
    And your password?
    > gotb33r?
    Welcome to your Refridgerator/Freezer system!
    >cd fridge
    >ls
    Directory of /fridge:

    Beer/
    Beer/Shiner Bock (1)
    Beer/MGD (5)

    Condiments/
    Condiments/ketchup package (13)
    Condiments/mustard package (2.5)
    Condiments/SoySauce package (1)
    Condiments/Unidentifiable (5)
    Condiments/mayonnaise (1) (warning: use-by-date 5 months expired!)

    Vegetables/

    Soda/
    Coke (.5)
    Mountain Dew (4)
    non-caffeinated/
    ActualFood/
    lunchmeat_ham (1) (warning: use-by-date 1 week expired!)
    cheese_cheddar (2) (warning: use-by-date is tommorow!)
    End of directory. No healthy food available.
    >man healthy
    Sorry, you need to install the Mother or Health-Conscious-Girlfriend modules for these extensions
    >make food
    Unable to make food. Stop.
    >exit.
    Goodbye.

    see?!!!!! see! this is my vision!

    unrelated, I'm worried about /.s email garble today : Email
    GriffJon@[ ]mail.com ['Hot' in gap]
    hot in gap? what does that imply?

    [1] That's a "Mall Rats" reference, for the rest of you.

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    1. Re:Big Brother? not necessarily. by karnal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, back to the "lost keys under the couch", I'd very much like to stick RFID's on:

      My TV remotes (especially the oft-unused VCR or DVD remote)... it always pisses me off when someone misplaces these and I really want to watch a tape or DVD.

      My keys and work badge -- Why is it I always leave these in different places? Guess I'm lazy.

      Anyways, it'd be neat to have a home that could tell you the location of an item in your "inventory", at least down to the room... of course, that would require you to have an RFID that you could "contact"... I saw someone posted the idea of having the sensors in the doorways, but I think it'd be more reliable to be able to have the house scan the whole room and VERIFY that the item is in said room.

      Of course, I'd also settle for a "base station paging device" that I could stick penny-sized screamers on that would go off if I pushed the right button.... Lost your keys? Hit the "keys" button on the base station and off ya go!

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    2. Re:Big Brother? not necessarily. by overunderunderdone · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have a relative who is one of the original developers of this type of RFID tag. They have (or had) a fridge at MIT which would automagically order certain items of food from Peapod whenever they got low. For instance it could be programmed to always maintain 2 Gallons of milk in the fridge. Whenever there was only one in the fridge for a certain amount of time (the length of time that milk would go bad) it would add the second to it's weekly peapod order.

      More scarily they also had a demo of potential uses that showed it sharing it's data with the Smart TV in the next room so that the ads were targetted. For instance Pepsi could pay to place ads targetted at people that just threw out their last Coke.

      Also as for the opt out method - The standard includes a "kill switch" that turns them off.

  15. Security paranoid? by noitalever · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ok, so in the first part of this article the guy says

    "When a transponder receives a certain radio query, it responds by transmitting its unique ID code, perhaps a 128-bit number, back to the transceiver. Most RFID tags don't have batteries (How could they? They're 1/3 of a millimeter!). Instead, they are powered by the radio signal that wakes them up and requests an answer."

    Later he throws in this little paranoia bit about "Do you really want your car's tires broadcasting your every move?" What's that about? He knows they don't "broadcast" and that you'd have to be within several feet to monitor. You already have a frickin license plate on your car, so who cares? The good side of that is that you could prove that your tires were now living on someone else's car when they were stolen...

    And in that line of thinking, how long will it take for commercial "scanners" to come around, so you can locate the chip and neutralize it? It just seems that people are freaking out about security when in reality, people can already track everywhere you go anyway. How many people out there use cash exclusively? No one I know. I can't WAIT for the day when I just walk out the door with a cart full of stuff and it's automatically taken out of my checking account. that would well be worth someone being able to count how many hammers I buy in a month.

    1. Re:Security paranoid? by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Later he throws in this little paranoia bit about "Do you really want your car's tires broadcasting your every move?" What's that about? He knows they don't "broadcast" and that you'd have to be within several feet to monitor. You already have a frickin license plate on your car, so who cares?

      Trancievers in every street light...
      London would be the first city to implement it.

      how long will it take for commercial "scanners" to come around, so you can locate the chip and neutralize it?

      How long will it take for DMCA-like laws that make that practice illegal?

      I can't WAIT for the day when I just walk out the door with a cart full of stuff and it's automatically taken out of my checking account. that would well be worth someone being able to count how many hammers I buy in a month.

      Yes, and I can't wait for organised crime to automatically skim a lil' bit off the top of all our checking accounts as we walk past 'em.
      Not much, just a few bucks per person, walk around in a crowd and you'd make a few thousand dollars in minutes...

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  16. Re:RFID explained by realdpk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You missed something. They are not exactly like bar code tags. Here you go:

    They are like bar code tags, except that they are scanned by electromagnetic sensors through your clothing/belongings possibly without you knowing, and carry enough bit-depth to uniquely identify your specific item (serial number), rather than visible lasers at checkout counters, which can only identify the type of item it is, not exactly which specific item it is.

    As you can see, it's a bit more complicated than you would have us believe.

  17. Re:RFID explained by rot26 · · Score: 3, Funny

    They are exactly like bar code tags, except they are scanned by electromagnetic sensors, rather than lasers

    Brilliant! Consise! Wow.

    And a newspaper is EXACTLY like radio, except you recieve it with your eyes, instead of with a tunable RC network with optional FM demodulation.

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  18. Am I expected to place my .. by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Funny

    shoes, pants, tires, body in shields whenever I leave my house? After the doctors spent all that time convincing me to take off the tin foil suit, you're telling me to put it back on?

    1. Re:Am I expected to place my .. by Surak · · Score: 2, Funny

      You took it off?! You listened to *them*?! Put it back on *now* it's not too late to save yourself!!

  19. learning by RF-ID in Linux... by MosesJones · · Score: 4, Interesting


    For anyone who is interested in looking more at this area and has a Linux box....

    For more info and then Download it here

    If you want to build an RF-ID lab you need some cash to get tags and readers but this would help with the theory.

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  20. RFID tags used to find stolen musical instruments by rpiquepa · · Score: 2, Informative

    You'll find the summary of this Business 2.0's story on Smart Mobs. And on my blog, you can find two other stories about RFIDs, Bye-Bye Bar Codes? and The Eerie Possibilities of RFID Tags.

  21. Re:Concerns - answered in follow up to article by jimkski · · Score: 5, Informative
    I think one of the responders (Stefan Sokolowski) to the article did a good job of shedding a little more light on some of these concerns:

    As a real security professional (i.e. one that does not go around screaming that the sky is falling) and as someone who has worked with RFID for the military and for civilian uses (mainly Post Offices) for over six years, I find your article makes a number of glaring omissions that would allow any sensible human being to make a rational judgement about this technology.

    Omissions:

    1) Range verses size. Very basic issue. The smaller it is, the closer you have to be to it to pick up the signal. For a small passive tag we are talking inches (3-4 feet max). In order to track something from 200 yards (maximum range currently in use), you need an active tag (i.e. with a battery) and it has to be the size of a beer mat. I think you would notice it in your jeans. The signal generator in this case is also a non-trivial device. It is the size on a lamp-post and weights in excuss of 30Kg. Hardly PDA attachment material.

    2)Storage area on the device is tiny. For the small passive devices you are referring to the storage area is less than 1Kilobyte. Not much space for your medical records here.

    3)The logic associated with the tyre scenario. The association of the vehicle number and the tyre would not be stored on the tag. There is no space, and Read/Write tags are much more expensive (and larger). Easy to overwrite also. So for your big brother is watching scenario, you would need to replace every lamp-post on every highway with a signal generator, have assess to the database that cross-references your vehicle ID with the tag ids, and be able to monitor all of the signal generators in real-time to see what was happening.

    And all this just to find out where you are. Are you really that important? I think ringing your mobile would be easier.

    There is also a problem with reading many tags at once. The current limit is around 200 tags per second for the best sensor. The tag will respond and continue to respond at regular intervals (sub-second usually but dependant on set-up). Because they are all talking at once on the same frequency, the sensor cannot distinguish and ignore tags in real-time. It may recieve many responses from the same tag, and there is no way to tell the tag to shut up. So imagine the situation across a busy highway.

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  22. You are obviously single by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't WAIT for the day when I just walk out the door with a cart full of stuff and it's automatically taken out of my checking account.

    The thought of my wife doing that scares the living shit out of me.

  23. Nope they aren't by MosesJones · · Score: 2, Informative


    1D barcodes store only a reference number that can be used to indicate WHAT TYPE the product is.

    And EPC stored on a tag tells you exactly WHICH product it is, and from that you can map its whole supply chain if it is all connected.

    If you'd said 2D and 3D barcodes you'd have been more accurate, but those still can only be read one at a time.

    RF-ID tags can be read thousands at a time and identifiy exactly which items you are dealing with. It is definately different but not by definition something to be paranoid about.

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  24. Re:It's about time! by rot26 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lighten up. I can't shop at Walmart because I still have all of my teeth, but the cost savings alone (retail inventory every 6 months is expensive in a big store) will make the ROI appealking to managers everywhere.

    I can feel the prices dropping now. I also can't wait until Walmart starts putting MY employers out of business, in addition tothe thousands of other small-scale employers that they've already nuked.

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  25. Re:RFID explained by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They have many good potential uses (retail stores would never have to do inventory again, which, speaking from experience, is a nightmare.), but there is a GREAT chance of misuse. Unlike barcodes, RFID tags can be updated, and changed. A great example of this is the movie Minority Report, in which the stores know Tom Cruise's character by name, and know what he has purchased (and attempt to interest him in accesories.) What I see as the first, and immediate problem for consumers is returning products. Wal-Mart will know that they sold you a product and if you try to return the SAME product, only purchased from a different store (such as a gift that you are unsure where it came from), they could refuse to accept the return by stating it did not come from their store. Great for the Wal-Mart bottom line, bad for the consumer.

  26. Re:RFID explained by swillden · · Score: 2, Informative

    Can RFID tage be deactivated? Once the product is purchased, is the tag still active or can the store "kill" it?

    Yes it can be killed. In fact, stores have a good reason to do so, since that way they can tell the difference between an item that has been purchased and one that has been stolen. (Unless the thief has a device to deactivate tags, of course, but casual shoplifters wouldn't).

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  27. Privacy by msheppard · · Score: 3, Insightful
    From the article:
    your privacy is at stake.

    Am I the only one sick of "privacy" being used as an argument? It reminds me of "won't someone think of the children." The Constitution/Declaration of Independance do not stipulate privacy.

    I'm beginning to think that privacy is costing us too much. If we had access to a plethora of medical information, perhaps we could do some data mining and identify some patterns that would benifit us more than we can imagine.

    I'm trying to remember WHY I want all this privacy, why it's so impoartant my purchases be private, who is it I'm afraid of them knowing that I bought a copy of "swank" magazine. I guess if I was a politcian I wouldn't want people to know some things, but I'm just a pretty average citizen, I don't need someone else protecting my privacy.

    Maybe an employer would do a backround check and find something - but if they won't hire me becuase of some obscure piece of information, maybe I don't want to work there. Perhaps I'm the kind of person who doesn't really have something like that to hide... it seems the only people concerned about privacy are trying to hide something. Now I'm beginning to ramble...

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    1. Re:Privacy by darthtuttle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What happens when someone gets a list of everyone who's had an abortion and posts it somewhere so that others can go and shoot them all, or (this is less of an issue now, but would have been) a list of people taking AZT, so the gay bashers can go beat them up.

      The ability to access and share information to help the world would be great, it if wasn't for selfish people who will use that information to their own advantage and the disadvantage of the people who the information is about.

      Or how about the government monitoring everyone who reads 'Leaving the 21st Century' (not the book about music), 'The Anarchists Cookbook', '2600' or any number of other books.

      Here's the thing about privacy, it's yours to give up. You are or will be a responsible adult who can make desicions about how your personal information is distributed and used. You can publish all the facts if you like.

      You do need someone to protect your privacy, because you can't get it back once the cat is out of the bag, therefore you need to make the responsible choice about it's use. You can't do that if it's not protected, the desicion is made for you.

      What happens when someone who takes Catherine McKinnon's thinking a little to far and decides to shoot people who look at porn (I don't think Catherine would ever do or suguest that).

      We all have things to hide. Sure, we would all like to work somewhere were we are wanted for what we can do and not who we are, but the reality of the situation is some of us need to have jobs and we can't pick and choose. In Florida your employer could fire you for the fact that you look at porn in the privacy of your own home. Some companies have fired everyone in the company who was gay or lesbian. Even with protected status clauses often times you get fired for one reason, but they wanted you gone for another. Privacy protects that.

      People say your information wants to be free, but I'm still waiting for them to free their credit card numbers and enough bank details to give me access to them.

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    2. Re:Privacy by mark_lybarger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      'We want Information...Information...Information.'
      'Who are you?'
      'The new Number Two.'
      'Who is Number One?'
      'You are Number Six.'
      'I am not a number - I am a free Man!'

      as much as the constitution doesn't explictly define a right to privacy, it doesn't either require one to diseminate their own information. thus, it allows privacy. it also restricts unreasonable searches and seizures on your property which does provide a level of privacy.

      you don't seem to mind others profiting from your personal information and the collective information as a whole. that's fine, give out our personal information. there are those of us who would prefer to not have our personal information, likes, dislikes, purchasing habits, etc used to further the marketing and sales efforts which will ultimately fatten the pocket of a few CxO's.

      it seems the only people concerned about privacy are trying to hide something

      it's odd that exercising certain rights raise suspicion, while exercising other rights are perfectly normal. we have a right to vote, and doing so is quasi-normal. but... if a police office comes to your house and askes to come inside (just to talk), and you tell him to go get a freaking warrant, you're viewed as having something to hide. merely for exercising your rights.

    3. Re:Privacy by IthnkImParanoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I partially agree, but to play devil's advocate:

      It's about power, and how knowledge is power. Politicians (as you mentioned), CEO's, and other powerful high profile people will tend to protect their privacy while seeking to violate ours. They can project any image of themselves they want so long as their privacy is intact, and anyone who challenges their authority automatically gets whatever skeletons they have in their closet dragged out into the public eye.

      The situation is exacerbated by our tendency to develop our definitions of normal by, at least in part, observing high-profile people. Even if buying swank is statistically normal, you can bet it would damage your reputation if it a newspaper wrote an article about it. Even if we all agreed it's normal and you're not a pervert, you would be known for buying swank instead of whatever you wanted to be known for.

      It's not at all important that we keep such things private. It's probably even better we all admit to surfing for porn and getting high at parties. However, it's even more important to keep from having a double standard of privacy.

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    4. Re:Privacy by pmz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If we had access to a plethora of medical information, perhaps we could do some data mining and identify some patterns that would benifit us more than we can imagine.

      Access to aggregate information can accomplish nearly the same thing without identifying individual people in the process.

      I'm trying to remember WHY I want all this privacy...

      Okay, citing recent news, what if you were an "evil" sodomizer in Texas, who happened to get "evil sodomizer" stamped on his permanent criminal record, potentially harming him for life in the midst of a bigoted and unfair society?

      Everyone has different reasons for desiring privacy. Most of those reasons are very subjective in light of religion, culture, and politics. Is there any logical reason why sodomy should be illegal? Absolutely not. What about if you are a Southern Baptist? Or a member of the KKK? What if a person with access to a national database finds you immoral, based on their own bias, and injects incriminating data into your profile? What if you are among the millions of people whose lifestyle doesn't match assumptions built into an arbitrary database schema?

      Databases, by themselves, are benign. Databases in the context of human administration and consumption are terribly dangerous.

      I guess if I was a politcian I wouldn't want people to know some things, but I'm just a pretty average citizen, I don't need someone else protecting my privacy.

      This really answers your own question. There should be no barriers for average citizens to become politicians, if they choose. Representation by the people for the people, or something like that. Simply, privacy is necessary for democracy.

  28. The other side by costas · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am on the other side of this argument: RFIDs are actually good for the consumer, and there is little financial incentive for retailers to do anyting too big brotherly with RFID data; here's my older /. post on the matter.

    However, I've had yet another thought recently, one that I haven't heard in any RFID discussion; I am currently in Hong Kong, home of the wondrous Octopus Card an RFID-based smart debit card. Octopus is used for every transit system in the HK metro area, and is increasingly used by retailers to pay for small transactions. Now, actual use of the Octopus rocks: you don't have to take it out of your wallet/bag/briefcase, just swap the whole thing over the reader; you can get an Octopus chip implanted in things other than a card, e.g. the back cover of a Nokia phone, etc.

    But one other feature is very cool: an Octopus is anonymous. Anonymous as in cash: you can buy an Octopus and charge it with cash and it does not get traced back to you. There's the potential of RFIDs to actually enhance your privacy by reducing the overhead of certain transactions, and that's pretty big in my book.

    I guess it's kind of the same thing as GSM SIM cards: yes they can be used to trace you --both phone-record-wise and location-wise via E911 services-- but you can also go to a shop and pay cash for a cell and a pre-paid SIM and you're online anonymously. There are two sides to every coin...

  29. Re:Ironic by brlewis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Um, how exactly did bar codes change Big Brother's powers dramatically? Only for bar codes was 1984 a significant year, not for RFIDs.

  30. So then what IS the point? by mekkab · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Okay, pretend I just robbed a bank (or people robbed a bank who were associated with the RFIDs on the car I was driving), THEN went driving in the country side, THEN broke down.
    (your faith in cellphones is disturbing! Or maybe you get better service than I do. ;)

    So Johnny law is hot to get their hands on me, but RFIDs don't do them any good.

    What they CAN do is build up over a long perioud of time a limited account of where I go- if my car passes through a Toll Booth, that is. However if I travel the backroads, the would have to trace my credit card purchases. But what if I use cash? They have RFIDs in the bills. But HOW fine grain can they trace that cash? Some random guy cashes his friday paycheck, then gives a waitress a $5 tip (Cheap bastid!), which she then uses to get into a punk rock show, which is then used to pay back a local heavy for a loan, which is then given to the Church collection plate, which is then used to pay me back for the supplies I got for the church picnic (assuming they'd even want to be associated with me)... So I've got this bill that can't really be traced to me, per se.

    From the RFID "trace" that's left, there was some money cashed on a friday, spent next week three states away, and the guy who cashed it never left.

    SO my conjecture is that Credit Cards and ATM withdrawls are a far more effective means of tracking someone's habits. I understand my example doesn't mean using RFIDs won't be effective, but I think the privacy concerns are a little out of proportion. I welcome any better examples.

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  31. Re:disabling RFIDs with mini-EMP? by pecosdave · · Score: 2, Interesting

    could work on stuff like jeans, tires and shoes, but are you going to EMP your new MP3 player? How about your new watch? Your PDA? Think of any other electronic device you might want to carry with you on the bus. Of course a notebook with Wi-Fi can track you by mac address (theoreticaly), and mobile phones already have GPS locators built in that the government can track you with. My Panasonic Duramax was on of the last phones made without it, and people (the phone company) are begining to call it dated.

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  32. Re:Concerns - answered in follow up to article by eric777 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I'll take your word for all of this - it sounds plausible.

    But each of your points apply to today's technology.

    Moore's law tells us range will increase, size and cost will decrease, storage will increase, etc. etc.

    So the sky isn't falling today - but tomorrow - that's another story.

  33. Why worry about RFID clothing? by ChrisKnight · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just microwave your clothed for 15 seconds before the first time you wear them. :)

    -Chris

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  34. Always look on the positive side... by DailyGrind · · Score: 4, Funny

    Think of it this way... you will be able to go to a bar with your trusty wrist watch RFID scanner, go up to a pretty girl and be able to tell that yes indeed she is wearing a thong, one of those frilly kinds, no bra, her purse contain three condoms, ribbed, and a lubricant plus she has a Palm with bluetooth.... I could go on but it is hard to type with one hand....

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  35. Jamming? by Pendersempai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm no expert on RFID tags, but it seems that the signal they emit must be fairly faint if it is only a modified echo of the transmitted query. For passive tags, this means their emission can be no stronger (and in reality must be far weaker) than the strength of the query signal when it reached the tag. Transmitted through three dimensions, my college physics course tells me that these signals drop off proportionally to the inverse square of their distance -- and for RFID, whose query signal must be bounced back without additional power, the distance would have to be double that from interrogator to tag. And then we'd have to factor in the unavoidable inefficiency in the tag itself.

    So the signal is going to be faint. Why can't we carry around a jammer? It wouldn't have to be very complicated to function quite elegantly -- it could passively monitor RFID query broadcasts and automatically reply with misleading noise. Since it can measure the signal strength of the query, it could use its own power source to magnify its response by, say, 20%. It seems that should be enough to drown the response from any tag in one's clothing, driver's license, or other effects. A switch could allow the user to disable it when he wants RFID signals to get through -- to have the cashier ring up his purchase, for example.

    I can't imagine that the power requirement for extended usage would be that steep -- active (powered) RFID tags theoretically function for 10 years or longer. The circuitry, too, seems like it would be fairly trivial. I'd guess that they wouldn't be significantly more costly to produce than regular AA battery cases. Maybe they could even function for years on the juice of a button battery, and fit the form factor of a credit card.

    So why doesn't CASPIAN or anyone else against RFID privacy violations mass-produce these things and sell them online for a couple bucks? I'd grab one just for the coolness factor, and I'm sure lots of privacy advocates would use them too. It'd certainly protect the privacy of anyone using one, and by making the collected data less reliable, even those without would indirectly benefit.

    It wouldn't interfere with non-retail uses of RFID tags, since there is a specific spectrum range reserved for retail use -- something like 1.25-8.64mHz. And by introducing a degree of randomness into marketers' data, general trends (governed by the Central Limit Theorem) could still be deduced, whereas individual data points would be significantly less reliable. Hence, the data would be quite useful for tailoring goods to what most people want (a good thing) without allowing individual-level violation of privacy.

  36. RFID by minus_273 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Read the Fucking ID??

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  37. RFID tags to find my TV remote by bear_phillips · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't RFID tags have a range of just a few feet. It would be cool to put tags on my remote, keys, cell phone etc, then just walk around the house with a scanner each time I lose something. Anyone know how much a home scanner and tags would cost?

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  38. Re:Concerns - answered in follow up to article by mrex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As a real security professional (i.e. one that does not go around screaming that the sky is falling) and as someone who has worked with RFID for the military and for civilian uses (mainly Post Offices) for over six years, I find your article makes a number of glaring omissions that would allow any sensible human being to make a rational judgement about this technology.

    You are a black pot, and to top it all off the kettle is orange.

    Omissions: 1) Range verses size. Very basic issue. The smaller it is, the closer you have to be to it to pick up the signal. For a small passive tag we are talking inches (3-4 feet max). In order to track something from 200 yards (maximum range currently in use), you need an active tag (i.e. with a battery) and it has to be the size of a beer mat. I think you would notice it in your jeans. The signal generator in this case is also a non-trivial device. It is the size on a lamp-post and weights in excuss of 30Kg. Hardly PDA attachment material.

    If your experience is as you claim it, I can only conclude that you are intentionally lying. There is no inherent, physics based limitation of "a few feet" to how far these tags can be read: to read the tags from further away, all one needs is a better receiver. Your statement assumes that a newer, better receiver will never be invented or brought to market. Doesn't the NSA do quite a bit of work already on picking up radio signals at a distance?!?

    2)Storage area on the device is tiny. For the small passive devices you are referring to the storage area is less than 1Kilobyte. Not much space for your medical records here.

    A KILOBYTE? Tell me, chum, how long is an IP address? A MAC Address? An IPv6 address? A 1 Kilobyte serial number is pretty damn big.

    3)The logic associated with the tyre scenario. The association of the vehicle number and the tyre would not be stored on the tag. There is no space, and Read/Write tags are much more expensive (and larger). Easy to overwrite also. So for your big brother is watching scenario, you would need to replace every lamp-post on every highway with a signal generator, have assess to the database that cross-references your vehicle ID with the tag ids, and be able to monitor all of the signal generators in real-time to see what was happening.

    OK...so...what's the problem? You don't think Big Brother has mastered the fine art of the database? Or a simple message passing network? It's not even as expensive as all that, as you wouldn't really need one for each lamp post, just one for each 'path'. One at the freeway entrance, one at each exit and the same for residential blocks - one at each end. Maybe, on freeways, a few here and there at mile markers and such.

    It really seems intentional that you're overlooking the obvious -- that's not a typical trait of a "security professional".

  39. Re:Concerns - answered in follow up to article by MatthewB79 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm glad you posted that because I was wondering if you could just protect yourself by "tag spamming". Purchase a whole bunch of tags (like 500 or so) and have them sewn into something always with you, such as a wallet. And you would never have to worry about Nike or the Gap or WalMart tracking you because they'd have absolutely no idea what clothing or products you actually have.
    I'd love to see the look on the guys face when he scans someone and it reports that he has on his person a set of Bridgestone tires, 13 brands of CD players, 2 refrigerators and about 1000lbs worth of miscellaneous food and clothing items.

  40. Active v Passive... by MosesJones · · Score: 2, Informative


    Active tags have a long range, Passive tags have a short range. Its Legislation that limits readers to 4watts in the US and 0.5 in Europe, not to mention other elements that make UHF RF-ID not feasible in Europe (channel hoping can't be done).

    The tags that Walmart will use will be passive as they cost alot less.

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    1. Re:Active v Passive... by Vaughn+Anderson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ok, great. What's to say the cost of production on a more advanced RFID won't happen in one year?

      No matter what evidence is shown at this point in time to prove how limited these things are, does _not_ prove anything for RFID tags on the market for next year. Physics or not, someone will find a new material for the antanae, make cheap batteries, make a more accurate reciever, dramatically cut the price of production, etc... and then all the arguments for June 27th, 2003 are completely irrelevant.

      A good example is cell-phones, tell me that a cellphone small enough to fit into a pair of sunglasses will never happen. Then tell me that passive RFID tags will never be able to communicate farther than 10 feet...

      It's funny, the scientists with the most knowledge tend to be the most skeptical about what is possible...