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Sony's New Vaio PCG-TR1A: 12" Powerbook Killer?

Anonymous Howard writes "Sony has a hot new subnote on it's hand: the Vaio PCG-TR1A. This subnote is packed full of features: integrated camera (still and video), 10.6 inch bright wide-format screen, 900MHz Centrino, CD-RW/DVD Combo drive, 30GB drive, 802.11b, two usb ports, firewire, 3.11 pounds and a magnesium alloy case. The thing looks really cool. For me, it's the first subnote that actually gives me a viable option for purchase instead of a the Apple Powerbook 12". Read a article about it over at Designtechnica. Check out this forum thread that has good pics, other then the stock pics, next to a VPR Matrix 200A5."

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  1. Dell has had one for some time too by Triumph+The+Insult+C · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.dell.com/us/en/bsd/products/model_latit _latit_x200.htm. it's pretty nice, although i prefer the c400 myself. the x200 is just too small.

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    1. Re:Dell has had one for some time too by KevetS · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How can this be considered a PowerBook killer when it has no DVD-R option, and EXTERNAL DVD/CD-RW drives as the only possibility for burning cd's? Sure it looks small and light, but the 12" PowerBook has a hell of a lot crammed into it's small package, which is more than I can say for this Dell.

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  2. 12 inch powerbook killer? by theWrkncacnter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't see how it can be when it costs more. I purchased a 12 inch powerbook with a superdrive (DVR-R/CD-RW), 802.11g, firewire, 2 usb ports, 32mb nVivida gforce 4 and a bunch of other stuff for the same price as this thing, and the prices for the 12 inch pb have since gone down. I hardly see how its a "killer." Plus, I love how everyone plays catchup to apple. For such a small market share they sure do seem to set a lot of standards.

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    1. Re:12 inch powerbook killer? by thefinite · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're right, Apple Computers taste horrible, despite all of the "lickability" people talk about. Still, they do look great and kick butt over any other laptop.

      (This post written from my sixth limb--a TiPB 667.)

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    2. Re:12 inch powerbook killer? by ravenousbugblatter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree - no way in hell you can compare a 900 mhz centrino (which is nothing but a gimmick) against a 867mhz G4. Not to mention being able to burn DVD's on the powerbook, 802.11g, better graphics, a bigger screen, and the biggest thing of all - OS X 10.2 Jaguar, with the soon to be available OS X 10.3 Panther.

  3. Interesting... by Rura+Penthe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Interesting that Apple's notebooks (and mp3 player) are now the standard others are compared against. A big shift since the 90s...

    1. Re:Interesting... by SN74S181 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's something that I don't understand.

      Unless you've bought into Apple's desktop systems, buying an Apple notebook means having to maintain two seperate sets of software to run on your systems.

      I look at the Powerbook and shake my head because I have too much fairly good and rather expensive Windows software. If I'm going to run a second software platform (which I do) I want it to be a free software platform. I'm not interested in investing lots of money in applications for yet another properietary OS.

      I guess if I had an unlimited amount of money to spend, the Powerbook would be worth considering. But then if I had an unlimited amount of money I would get an IBM PPC based laptop to run AIX and/or NetBSD on.

    2. Re:Interesting... by neuroklinik · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "I'm not interested in investing lots of money in applications for yet another properietary OS."

      Hmm... Open-source Darwin core... X11... More "open" technologies than you could shake a stick at... Loads of great built-in languages... Freely available ports of tons of great Unix apps... Exactly what is so "proprietary" about Mac OS X that is scaring you away?

    3. Re:Interesting... by SN74S181 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly what is so "proprietary" about Mac OS X that is scaring you away?

      It should be fairly obvious, but people seem to not notice.

      Mac OS X only runs on a single source of hardware. That makes it extremely proprietary.

  4. 900MHz Centrino by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sony used to use Transmeta chips in their subnotebooks. This can't be good news for TMTA. It's good that Linus could read the writing on the wall, but I feel bad for their other employees... facing unemployment in this economy. And, let's be honest, even if they do find work elsewhere, few companies have as much potential as Transmeta had.

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  5. OSX On Sony? by evil_roy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hard to believe. It's going to be hard to be a PowerBook killer without it.

    1. Re:OSX On Sony? by horsie · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, Adobe allows cross-platform upgrades on selected software titles. If you have PS7 on the PC and decided to switch to the Mac, then just call up Adobe customer service.

      You will have to sign a "Letter of Destruction" promising that you will destroy your PC version of the software and fax a copy to Adobe before they ship you your CD.

      I did it, and only paid for shipping for Adobe Photoshop 7.0...

      So you CAN switch without costing yourself an arm and a leg. As for MS products, that's an entirely different story, but then again, you also have OpenOffice for OS X as an alternative.

  6. A Question by X-wes · · Score: 5, Informative

    Seems Slashdotted--Here are some pics from Sony.com

    Not so much a comment as a question...

    What has really set the Vaio apart from ye olde everyday laptop was the interesting addition of the integrated still/video camera. Are there any other manufacturers out who do this? Also...is it really usable as an integrated camera?

  7. Sony Notebook?? by unixwin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Have you *EVER* tried to load a different OS (as in what did not come originally on the system) nto a Sony Notebook?? You will tear your hair and generally feel like throwing out the notebook... ou will find no drivers or support on their site or it, and contacting Sony will give you a response of "It did not come with that OS so we do ot support it"

    I am not talking about putting Linux/BSD or Solaris (what I am thinking??) ... just a Win2k or something.

    Plus their position/membership/stance on DMCA,RIAA et. all makes me want to spend my money elsewhere...

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    1. Re:Sony Notebook?? by rindeee · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well...yes. I just did so last Friday. I have an old PCG-C1VN (the original Picturebook) with the Transmeta 600MHz. It came with ME preinstalled (worthless). I have run several different Linux distros on it. On Friday I reformatted it and installed W2K as I just got a T-Mobile wireless Internet card (only works on Windows...out of the box) and wanted to use it on my smallest laptop. Went to Sony's sight and clicked on the link for Installing W2K on the PCG-C1VN. Had all the drivers, and all "special instructions" for such things as installing the drivers in the right order (dependancies in effect) and getting W2K to allow the odd (1024x480) resolution. Lots of drivers to download, but no real problems. Works great with my T-Mobile card. All that said, it isn't the most useful notebook PC in the world...I much prefer my Thinkpad with SuSE 8.2.

      ER

  8. Linux support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    12" Powerbook killer... err except that all Apple hardware is very well supported by linux... whereas the Centrino 802.11b isn't supported at all. So your fancy subnotebook is going to have an 802.11b card sticking out the side.

    Unless you want to run Windows that is, in which case you have bigger problems. :)

  9. Re:Battery Life. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    2.5 if the laptop is on.

    7.0 if it's off.

  10. Price, price, price by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apple's 12" Powerbook costs $1,600 ($1,400 for students), while the new Sony Vaio is expected to cost around $2,000. Even with the cheaper price, the Apple laptop gives you 10GB more hard drive space, and a larger screen, and OS X as well. The only advantage I see is the weight difference, as the Sony weighs 32% less than the Apple. As long as you don't have trouble lifting 4.6 pounds, go for the Apple. :^)

  11. Untapped Market? by VidarJMD · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It seems to me there is a largely untapped market for notebooks. As I shop for one I am looking for a small, lightweight system with a long lasting battery. What I am NOT looking for is a 1Ghz+ system. I do not want a laptop that replaces my desktop but instead one that accompanies it. 500MHz is plenty for something that I would use for word processing, listening to music, and browsing the web. As processor technology improves you'd thing the long battery life and other features would make a great combination with older processors but I never see that. The only choice is to buy an old laptop but it's big and bulky and usually used. On top of that the cost savings isn't enough to warrent such a device. Why don't I ever see something like this: Pentium III 500MHz 20GB Harddrive 128MB RAM 12 inch screen 4lbs or less And some crappy 4MB video for $500 I'd buy one in a heartbeat. I just want something portable yet more capable than a PDA. I don't want to replace my desktop.

  12. 12" Powerbook killer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This VAIO costs $700 more than a 12" Powerbook. Show me a Mac user who actually wants a Windows machine, or better yet, wants to pay *more* for one?

  13. Re:Battery Life. by vidnet · · Score: 5, Funny

    They should never have put in that red "Off"-light.

  14. Re:3.11 Lbs by CausticWindow · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nah, I think it's closer to a very large multiple of the weight of all the Weapons Of Mass Destruction the US has uncovered in Iraq.

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  15. Switched! by huntz0r · · Score: 5, Funny

    Seems you forgot the last sentence of your comment... perhaps I can help?

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  16. Sony support by weg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since I've experienced Sony's so called "support" I've decided to never buy a Sony product again. My girl friend had problems with her Sony Vaio FX802, so we sent it in and it came back unrepaired. I had to beg them to pick it up again, btw. the hotline is not free in Austria, even if you still have warranty. This time I added a very detailed description on how to reproduce the error, however, the technician ignored it and called my girl friend to complain in a very harsh tone that the notebook was not defect. I talked to the technician and could convince him that it was in fact defect, and after 3 more weeks we got it back (they exchanged the motherboard). However, when putting it together again, they forgot the screw that fixates the DVD ROM... had to provide one myself. Facit: My girl friend bought a new notbook that was significantly more expensive than others, believing that Sony's support would be better than the support of no-name manufacturers. She ended up waiting 1.5 months for her notebook.. in the meantime, it had of course become significantly cheaper. I'm now thinking about buying an Apple Powerbook. Can anybody tell me about his experiences with Apple's support?

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