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Flash Mobs: Peaceable Assembly for Spontaneous Fun

Schmendr1ck writes "The Orlando Sentinel is carrying a story on the growing trend of 'creating a crowd on a moment's notice for no particular reason' knows as a flash mob. Recent flash mobs (sometimes hundreds of people) have wandered into into an upscale NYC shoe store acting like confused tourists from Maryland, gathered at the Hyatt near Grand Central Station for 15 seconds of spontaneous applause, and converged on the Macy's carpet department to debate the quality of the rugs for sale. Check cheesebikini? for pictures and info on past mobs, as well as links to sites that organize these events. Sounds like a fun, harmless, and Constitutionally-protected way of blowing off a little steam."

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  1. Constitutional protection! Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just wait until someone high up views this as a threat and that Constitution guarantee gets brushed aside as something from a "different era" like concerns about quartering soldiers.

    1. Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! by sweetooth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually it's not constitutionally protected anyway. These people are doing this on private property and can be removed at any time by the request of the owners. If they fail to leave they are trespassing. If they decide to do this in a park or a public space then it would be constitutionally protected under the right to free assembly, however doing it in Sears doesn't fall under that category.

    2. Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If they decide to do this in a park or a public space then it would be constitutionally protected under the right to free assembly

      In NYC you need a Public Assembly Permit ($150) for any gathering of more than 20 people.

    3. Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! by MrLint · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Perhaps you will recall the "kmart" incident. This is where the cops took it upon themselves to hold a 'raid' on people in the in the parking lot of a 24 hour kmart and a fast food restaurant. There was no complaint by kmart and the cops arrested people who has just exited both the kmart and the fast food joint without cause, under the auspices of 'loitering' or something else equally as stupid.

      Im going to end my commentary here.before i get more irritated. It might please you to know that the cops got in a shit load of trouble and all the people were un-arrested.

    4. Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! by ScottGant · · Score: 4, Informative

      I followed your link to the kmart incident and read further because I was outraged also...but found that the police were basically handed their collective asses after this fiasco happened.

      The police chief was also fired and went through a lenthy trial...though he was aquitted later. His police life is over though.

      It's not like the police did this and just got away with it...they were slapped down pretty hard...which brought a smile to my face!

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    5. Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! by ScottGant · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you were to actually go to the newspaper site and READ what really happened, you would be singing a different story.

      Here is a quote from one of the newspaper stories about this incident:

      "Houston cops planned for weeks to swoop down on a parking lot and nab a bunch of drag racers but couldn't find any when they got there. So, what the heck, they just rounded up everyone in the parking lot outside a 24-hour Kmart and a Sonic Drive-In and charged the whole bunch with trespassing. No joke."

      Here's the address of the story...I suggest you read through it and find that the police chief was fired and went through a trial and the entire police dept of Houston got slapped down pretty hard.

      http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/special/ra id /1542463

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    6. Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! by sweetooth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is hardly the same thing. Yes, the police were completly out of line in this case and were handed thier asses because of it. My point is that if you assemble on private property and are asked to leave you have no constitutional protection that allows you to stay there. The people that have been "flash mobbing" have been doing so in malls and other "public" places that are privately owned. If at any time these people are asked to leave and do not, they are tresspassing. Your story is completly unrelated, and is a blatent example of police abusing thier authority.

    7. Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! by Heem · · Score: 5, Funny

      Would you mind it if a bunch of slashdoters came over and slashdoted your private property?

      I can just imagine the 4 guys peeing on your lawn, in the shape of the letters "FP"

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    8. Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! by mcc · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Hey!! You kids!! .. What are you DOING? Hey, I don't know who you are or what the heck that is you're pouring into your pants, but get off my lawn..!! Yeah, you heard me, if you're going to be doing that do it somewhere else..!! ... wait, don't leave your trash here! ... HEY! .. stupid kids.. leaving behind their.. what the heck is this thing, anyway, looks like some kind of statue.. uhh..

      WTF, Is this supposed to be Natalie Portman??"

    9. Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Princeton Illinois just made it illegal for groups to assemble in public. Big story around here. Tired of the kids causing trouble or something like that. I never cease to be amazed at how quickly the fundamental tenets or our society can be brushed aside.

      If one cannot freely assemble in New York, then citizens of the place are no longer free human beings as defined by the Constitution. No debate required, that's just the way it is.

      The question then becomes:

      How much do you value the ideas presented by the Constitution?

      And hey, maybe the brand of freedom offered in New York is good enough for your tastes. But don't take too much consolation from that. Look around the world and back through history and you'll see human beings finding all sorts of things palettable. If you get enough people content to subside on dogshit, that's what they get. You want to have better and keep it, you're gonna have to demand better. How demanding is America of it's freedoms in 2003?

      If concepts had graves, the headstone for our lost freedoms would read:

      "If you have nothing hide, you have nothing to worry about."

      "You have nothing to worry about if you're not doing anything wrong."

      What merits hiding? What is considered wrong?

      Who determines these things if there is no longer a Constitution to define the spectrum of what a free human being can expect to be able to do within his own life?

      Could you be content to place the entirety of your freedoms sqaurely in the lap of John Ashcroft? How about a future that contains a succession of people just like him, one after another. Mix that with corporate governance and policing as witnessed by the DMCA and RIAA.

      The future will continue to be grim so long as we have a populace that's too foolish to understand the value of the protections given by the Constituion.

    10. Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! by LS · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How do you differentiate between a mobber and a shopper? Should the store owners and cops learn how to read minds? These people do not know each other. There is no central organization. How do you know who is in the store legitimately?

      LS

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    11. Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! by ceejayoz · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you see 150 people doing a robot dance outside of a Sony store (as was seen in the Mall of America flash mob), it's fairly safe to assume that the guy in front of you doing a robot dance is involved in it.

    12. Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! by NoData · · Score: 2, Interesting

      or the right of the people peaceably to assemble , and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

      Aschroft: "Define peaceably. Define assemble. Define petition. Define redress."

      Or has the First Amendment been repealed already?

      Alas, define repeal.

    13. Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No the police were NOT "handed their asses" over the issue. Most of the pigs involved suffered no reprecussions at all. Basiclly, all that happened was that the department offered up a couple of sacrificial lambs (one of whom was allowed to resign instead of being fired) to take the blame off of the rest of them.

      Whould SHOULD have happened, is that EVERY SINGLE OFFICER involved in that incident should have been immediately terminated; banned for life from working in anything resembleing law enforcement; and had all their assets siezed and liquidated; the proceeds going to compensate their victims. I would even argue that prison time equal to the collective time that their victems spent in the lockup would be in order.

      When the people who actually abuse the power entrusted to them are held accountable, and PUNISHED for that abuse of power, rathar than being allowed to pass the blame off on to a handful of scapegoats, THEN I'll smile about the pigs finally being "slapped down pretty hard". But what happened here was nothing of the sort.

      cya,
      john

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  2. I remember this! by Slime-dogg · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sounds like a bunch of hippies!

    Let's spontaneously "get together," if you know what I mean. It'll be fun!

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  3. One Question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why? What's the point?

    1. Re:One Question... by Ugmo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's like one of the Lego built CD Changer Hacks, the MIT Practical Joke Hacks or Doom in Text Mode Hacks.

      There is a mental challenge also:
      It is mildly complicated to plan and organize. There is an element of imagination involved in coming up with a surreal situation to use the crowd in.

      It is also like art using people.

      If there was an actual practical purpose to the afore-mentioned Hacks then that would detract from the fun and Hack value of it.

      In the same way, if these crowds met to protest something then people wouldn't even pay attention to them. They would see the protest signs and say - oh, more protesters.I live in NY and there are picket lines and protests everyday and they are all ignored.
      The way it is now people notice the flash crowds BECAUSE there is no purpose to them.

      The only time protestors are noticed is when they become violent like in Seattle, disrupt traffic or otherwise do things that are probably counter-productive to the cause they wish to promote. It might feel cool to participate in such mass protests, but I think they have little effect on policy e.g. the protests did nothing to stop the war from taking place in Iraq or in bringing home the troops.

      I would actually appreciate a recent example where protests accomplished something in the US except increase security at WTO meetings.

    2. Re:One Question... by packeteer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The only time protestors are noticed is when they become violent like in Seattle, disrupt traffic or otherwise do things that are probably counter-productive to the cause they wish to promote.

      I don't blame you for not knowing but people were not getting violent in Seattle during the WTO protest. I live near Seattle and although i was not there i know many people who were including my father was was taken into a holding cell for no reason and released when they realized he was a member of the BAR and they didn't want that.

      Many of my friend were shot with rubber bullets and left with bruises for no reason other than being in a crowd. You might not believe me if i say this but i knew a cop who wanted to be involved just so he could shoot people doing nothing. Now im sure not al the cops there felt like that but i know there were enough to cause some trouble. There were soooo many camera's there that i would bet no act of violence was missed. When i watched on the news at night all i saw was violence but only a little but. They would loop the same two clips of people breaknig windows but it was nothing like it was portrayed on TV. EVERY single protest was peaceful and most of the police didn't do anything wrong. The problem was when someone totally unassociated with the protest went near them and starting breaking things. Then the police would go all out on the protesters. The worst part of the stores that were broken the only ones being protected were corporate stores. The assholes who were breaknig stuff did not discriminate between corporate and other stores as the media claimed. It was no protesters breaking the nike store. It was some assholes breaking anything before they were caught.

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    3. Re:One Question... by Blimey85 · · Score: 4, Informative
      people were not getting violent in Seattle during the WTO protest

      I do blame you for being a moron and trying to skew the facts. Yes there were violent people. Yes they were blocking sidewalks, streets, shops, etc. Yes they basically shutdown most of downtown seattle for several days. I live just 10 miles south of Seattle and I saw much of this first hand. I've also seen a couple of documentaries about the protests and while I think the cops were out of line on more than one occasion, the protestors were not the innocent angels you make them out to be.

      Why did you fail to mention the bottles and debris being thrown at police officers? It's sad that we only see what we want to see. You apparently wanted to see peaceful protestors being victimized by the Seattle Police and so that is what you saw. Maybe you should look again and see the truth.

      You should be able to find any of a number of documentaries on the protest at any local library in Seattle or the surrounding area.

      Back to the topic at hand, what are the flash mobbers hurting? They show up, gather for a few moments, and then disburse. I don't think there is enough time for anyone to become annoyed with these people. I think most people would still be in shock by the time it's over. With the WTO protests you had individuals "manning" the streets and key intersections pretty much around the clock.

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  4. Eww, Flash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can't they program the mob in proper W3 approved HTML instead of Flash? Until they do this, I won't want to join, even if it's a CowboyNeal fan mob.

  5. Constitution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Sounds like a fun, harmless, and Constitutionally-protected way of blowing off a little steam.
    I thought they phased out that Constitution thing a few years ago.
    1. Re:Constitution? by EverDense · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, to paraphrase Homer:
      "The Constitution, is that thing still around"

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    2. Re:Constitution? by Large+Green+Mallard · · Score: 2, Funny

      "You just rubbed out the part which outlawed cruel and unusual punishment!" :)

  6. Constitutionally Protected in some places... by NoTheory · · Score: 5, Interesting

    However in places like columbus ohio, as far as i'm aware, it's illegal to gather more than 6 people in public places with out a permit from the city. So i guess it's protected so long as you jump through the proper hoops. Sort of cuts down on the spontinaity thing. (although, i don't think i've ever heard of such a regulation being enforced)

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    1. Re:Constitutionally Protected in some places... by jnik · · Score: 2, Informative

      The U.S. Constitution does not gaurantee the right to peaceful assembly. It gaurantees that the US Congress shall not pass any laws that prevent peaceful assembly (without 3/4 approval). AFAIK, the first amendment doesn't prevent state governments from passing such laws (or cities from passing such ordinances).
      10th amendment is usually interpreted as applying the bill of rights to local and state governments, basically saying (don't have it handy) "states shall not infringe upon the rights of their citizens."

    2. Re:Constitutionally Protected in some places... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

      Haven't they already deleted that bit? I mean they're currently holding a bunch of people without access to representation and just about to execute half of them without trial....

    3. Re:Constitutionally Protected in some places... by Politburo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes that's true. Except Bush is one of those people (read: right-wing) who like to read the letter of the Constitution, rather than interpret the spirit.

      The letter of the Constitution says that those people are not citizens, and are therefore not under jurisdiction of the Constitution.

      The spirit of the Constitution is that we're all equal under the law (IMO, and of course, the Constitution says a lot of other things). Of course, when it was written, "all" meant white landowners, but the protections of the Constitution have since been extended to all citizens (except youths). It is quite hypocritical to stand up and speak about justice when you use loopholes to avoid enforcing your own laws.

  7. let me guess... by YllabianBitPipe · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... a lot of these people, especially the ones organizing on the web, are recently laid off techies, with copious amounts of free time on their hands.

    1. Re:let me guess... by spudchucker · · Score: 4, Funny

      Those who don't attend the mobs participate in a virtual one known as slashdot.

    2. Re:let me guess... by YllabianBitPipe · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, execs do set up pointless gatherings, but they're called "off-site strategy meetings" and usually involve Vegas, bar tabs and strip clubs. Hardly the same thing as these flash mobs.

    3. Re:let me guess... by happystink · · Score: 2, Funny

      How DARE you mention the word pointless in the same sentence as Vegas, bar tabs and strip clubs! You disgust me!

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  8. Another name for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    People SPAM.

  9. Flash mob flash by felonious · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe they could further exploit this phenomenon by incorporating Stuart Tunic's (sp?) work?

    Flash mob flashing people....you know...whole shit like that

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  10. Yes by ucblockhead · · Score: 4, Funny

    And it's probably all a crafty plan to meet chix0rs.

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    1. Re:Yes by happystink · · Score: 4, Funny

      When you use the word chix0rs, the hopeless is basically implied.

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  11. Knowing the hardware is one thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...but people who think assembly is fun are just weird.

  12. back when WE were kids.... by grouchyDude · · Score: 5, Funny

    In the old days. This was our best approximation. Back when I was a kid we'd get one or two people on side of the road, and each "team" would pull on an invisible (virtual/imaginary) rope across the road. Most cars would slow down or stop thining there really must be a rope there, they just couldn't see it. Then we'd just walk away.

    I guess we should have tried recruiting other mine-wannabes.

    1. Re:back when WE were kids.... by Lord+Zerrr · · Score: 3, Funny

      When your driving alog the road in a wooded area up in Maine and decide to pull over and point in to the woods, suddenly you have a lot of other cars joining you pointing and wondering what is going on. Then you leave quietly, and laugh at the herd.

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    2. Re:back when WE were kids.... by gosand · · Score: 2, Funny

      Heh. We had something in grade school we called the rock trick. I went to a Catholic grade school, run by the nuns. The side of our gymnasium was aluminum siding, and we used to have one kid stand against it, and another about 50 feet away. The kid against the building would have rocks in his hand. The other kid would pretend to throw things at him, and he would take a rock in his hand and while doing a dodging motion, would throw it against the siding to get the authentic "ping" sound. The illusion was that one kid was throwing rocks at another kid in a game like dodgeball. Every new substitute got introduced to the rock trick on playground duty. :-) We got in a lot of trouble. I won't even go into how we went into the basement of the convent and drank the beer in the nun's refrigerator.

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  13. Larry Niven by dachshund · · Score: 4, Informative
    Why doesn't this article mention Larry Niven even once? I was under the impression that he coined the term ("flash crowd") in his earlier short stories.

    If I'm wrong, I stand corrected (in advance.)

    1. Re:Larry Niven by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's correct. Those stories (part of Niven's Known Space future history) took place after the invention of the matter transmitter. Whenever an interesting news story would break, bored people, reporters, whoever, would "flick in" by the thousands from around the country to see it firsthand. Once the cops would realize that a flash crowd was building, they would turn on "riot control" which would redirect anyone trying to flick back out to a central processing facility somewhere in Nevada, I think.

      Actually, this sounds remarkably like the Slashdot effect, only with people not Web hits.

      The first story I know of that mentions the "flash crowd" was "The Permanent Floating Riot Club", where a gang of criminals actually used flash crowds to steal.

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    2. Re:Larry Niven by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Jump-Shift stories are slightly skew from the Known Space series. (The earlier end at least. By Ringworld, it's moot.) For example, All the Bridges Rusting doesn't fit into Known Space history. (Teleporting interstellar expeditions.)

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    3. Re:Larry Niven by John+Murdoch · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hi!

      Larry Niven might have used the term "flash crowd" in one of his novels--but the term "flash mob" has been in use since at least the 19th century. It was used to describe the loud and outre--"flash" in the sense of exploding powder ("a flash in the pan").

      The term was certainly in use by the 1930s--Dorothy Sayers refers to the "flash mob" in one of her stories about Lord Peter Wimsey.

  14. this isn't new by arashiken · · Score: 5, Funny

    flash mob, meet slashdot. ooo look! i see your server already knows us. don't worry, we'll be gone in 15 minutes.

  15. I hate to say this, by Daikiki · · Score: 5, Funny

    but it looks like the site has been. . .umm. . .flashmobbed.

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    1. Re:I hate to say this, by danthedanish · · Score: 5, Funny

      or perhaps... flashdotted?

  16. Life imitates fiction? by Turbofish · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone else think of Larry Niven when they read this? Thank goodness quantum teleportation won't work on people... yet. (see http://www.wordspy.com/words/flashcrowd.asp if you don't know what I mean.)

  17. Re:The Klan has been doing this for years by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 3, Funny

    An old idea.

    The new twist seems to be that no one is getting killed.

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  18. NYC by Triv · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was a part of one of these, and let me tell you it was a riot. One of the rules was you couldn't initiate conversation with anyone and that answers to questions were scripted. We stayed together for 5 minutes and dispersed, no one having said a word. It was surreal but wonderful, especially the looks on the normal people's faces, trying to figure out exactly what was going on.

    Triv

    1. Re:NYC by Javit · · Score: 5, Insightful
      It was surreal but wonderful, especially the looks on the normal people's faces...

      The desire to be special is one of the most "normal" human inclinations of all.

      You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake.

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  19. Looks like the San Francisco Cacophony Society by ebusinessmedia1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This looks a lot like some of the behavior engaged in the past (and present) by the the San Francisco Cacophony Society http://sf.cacophony.org/

    The increasing capacity for spontaneous social expression via the network is going to get a boost, now that *everyone* who is within proximity of a prank has a chance to participate.

    Yet another example of new social behaviors that emerge spontaneously at the 'edge' of the network.

    It's be interesting to see what new kinds of mass social behavior develop, and which ones manage to survive, and become institutionalized.

    As long as no one gets hurt, we could use a little levity.

    As stated on the SF Cacophony site: "The Cacophony Society is a randomly gathered network of individuals united in the pursuit of experiences beyond the pale of mainstream society through subversion, pranks, art, fringe explorations and meaningless madness. "

    Here's an excerpt about one past activity:

    Mad Santa Crawl:
    "each year at christmastime a crowd of santas descends upon one of san francisco's most-touristed neighborhoods to get drunk, to hand out disturbing gifts, and to frighten tourists.

    on december 16, 2000 a santa faction drove to a ranch in petaluma, spent the afternoon discharging firearms, then joined the rest of the santas for the evening's festivities in san francisco. about 150 santas took over grant street in chinatown, and they eventually headed up into north beach."

    1. Re:Looks like the San Francisco Cacophony Society by CSharpMinor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Re-post with the proper fomratting this time. Sorry--forgot to check that little "HTML Formatted" thing which was hidden right next to the post button.

      I actually found something about the Cacophany Society from whilst researching Chuck Palahniuk, author of Fight Club. (Don't ask, it's an Ingrish Lit thing.)

      Straight from the horse's mouth:

      There's usually one host city that different chapters from around the world go to for one
      weekend, usually about two weeks before Christmas. Everybody arrives dressed as Santa Claus,
      using the name "Santa Claus," and the host city usually has two to three days of continuous
      events. People drink and party and sing, and disrupt big benefit parties, and are basically public
      nuisances. But the fact that there's 400 of them all in red makes them this stunning sort of moving
      artwork. They call it "The Red Tide." It's really beautiful. When I did it in '96, at one point it was all
      these Santas against this SWAT team of cops, because the Santas wanted to get into a shopping
      center that was private property. It was so beautiful to see all these blue policemen juxtaposed
      with all these red Santas, and all these crying kids that were like, "Why are you beating up on
      Santa?" This year, they're talking about Tijuana as the host city, but no one wants to get busted in
      Tijuana.

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  20. Here are the first few stories by pb · · Score: 2, Informative

    cheesebikini?

    July 24, 2003
    Flash Mob in Central Park

    Fred Hoysted was first to chime in with a report and a photo from the Fifth New York Flash Mob. SatansLaundromat.com was quick on Fred's heels with a report and a nice group of photos, including a larger version of the cropped shot to the right.

    They seem to have carried out a fantastic, bizarre idea: make a bunch of increasingly surreal "nature sounds" in Central Park.

    Did anyone make an audio recording? Please let me know if you did.

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    Europe's First Flash Mob

    A flash mob went down today in Rome, as an estimated 100 to 300 people flooded a books and music megastore. They asked employees for nonexistent books. They broke into a round of spontaneous applause. Then they dispersed.

    Here's coverage in Italian from the newspaper la Repubblica, and here's a clumsy English translation. The photo, courtesy of la Repubblica, shows mobbers evacuating the megastore.

    In the comments attached to this posting, you'll find a report from our Senior Rome Correspondent "JJFlash."

    If you have more photos, please send them (or links to them) to photos[at]cheesebikini.com. More to come.

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    July 23, 2003
    Flash Mob News from Minnesota, Texas, Austria

    Minneapolis organizers put together an event (or rather, a series of events staged in different locations) at a huge shopping mall. Participant turnout was estimated at 50, but perhaps reduced secrecy about the next Minneapolis event will spur a larger crowd?

    New flash mobs are brewing in Vienna, Austria and in Dallas. (Here's an English version of the Austrian flash mob page, as automatically translated by babelfish.altavista.com.

    Flash mobs are a widespread phenomenon now with lots of people around the world taking part, so from now on when I mention flash mobs I'm going to focus on the most compelling flash mob coverage and opinion. For more exhaustive listings of the numerous local flash mob announcements, groups, sites and press coverage, check out flashmob.info, where anyone can sign up for an account and submit mob news or a link to a new mob group, or mob(b)log, whose creator "Alex" is doing a good job of listing media coverage but strangely fails to provide any way to reach him or to comment on his postings. In the meantime, Rob Zazueta is designing a site to make it easier for people to organize what he calls "flocks;" it's not done yet but you can keep track of it at flocksmart.com. Thanks for the resources, people!

    (By the way; have you seen The Word Spy's entry for the term "flash mob?")

    Filed under flash mobs at 05:18 PM | Comments (3) | TrackBack (0) | Permalink


    July 19, 2003
    The First Italian Flash Mob

    Londoners have been talking about organizing a flash mob for weeks and weeks. Now, with minimal talk, it seems the Romans will beat the Brits to the punch and create Europe's first flash mob.

    Our Senior Rome Correspondent "J. Jack Flash" reports that a flash mob has been planned in Rome next Thursday, July 24. Here's the invitation: in Italian and in English.

    In other news: Flash mobs are arising in Boston and in Phoenix, Arizona.

    Filed under flash mobs at 10:15 AM | Comments (21) | TrackBack (0) | Permalink


    July 18, 2003
    Invitation: Manhattan Flash Mob #5

    Below is the invitation to the fifth New York flash mob as it was e-mailed to me. It's scheduled to take place next Thursday evening, July 24th.

    (If you're wondering what a flash mob is, see this entry for an explanation.)

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  21. Party at SCO's and RIAA associations home tonight! by zymano · · Score: 5, Funny

    BYOB!

  22. Try this one by heli0 · · Score: 2, Informative
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  23. Distraction by firewrought · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This article reminds me of Bruce Sterling's Distraction, in which a mob spontaneously forms to attack and overrun a corrupt bank w/o any apparent source of centralized organization or communication.

    It makes me wonder if we are on the verge of creating a trans-human intelligence capable of consciousness. Too bad we don't have any formal idea of what intelligence and conciousness is, or we could analyze the situation more closely...

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    1. Re:Distraction by Planesdragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It makes me wonder if we are on the verge of creating a trans-human intelligence capable of consciousness.

      Nope. We're not. We're just minimizing individuality by removing context, thus encouraging our pack-instincts to re-assert themselves.

      Too bad we don't have any formal idea of what intelligence and conciousness is, or we could analyze the situation more closely...

      We have all sorts of formal ideas. But when we start to talk about them, some jackoff gets their religion embroiled up in the debate, and it we don't get anywhere. (Both theists and atheists are guilty here.)

  24. Slashdotting = Flash mob on the web by SIGPrez · · Score: 4, Funny

    Seems like a real life representation of a slashdotting.

    Does the first one there yell 'FP!' ?

  25. Re:Bunch of morons by nifboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    They don't waste their time posting on /.

  26. New Category Suggestion: TFH by simetra · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Tin Foil Hat

    This would be for these types of stories that get the paranoid wackos to remind us of how our rights are gone, the government is after us, etc.

    Or at least store these on tfh.slashdot.org

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  27. Critical Mass by TheViewFromTheGround · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All over the world, there's been a movement called Critical Mass that gets folks together to take over the streets on bike rides on a semi-regular basis. Here in Chicago, it's been really successful -- hundreds go on the main ride every month, even in the dead of winter. In the summer months, there have been around a thousand riders. Critical Mass is a sort of anarchic protest against the domination of our streets by cars but without a specific, directed agenda. The idea is that having fun and taking over streets, no matter what one's political orientation is, is a good way to make a statement. What's interesting is that now that almost everybody has some direct connection to the Net, Critical Mass rides are getting organized overnight. When the war in Iraq broke out, the next day a group of Critical Massers against the war (not all CM folks are) organized a very effective ride within a half a day and people have been now talking about organizing within a few hours. I have to wonder about flash crowds becoming flash protests or flash rides and what the potential benefits and problems of this will be. Speaking of which, this effect also happened in the South Korean election recently in a close race.

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    1. Re:Critical Mass by madcow_ucsb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      *begin rant mode in 3...2...1...*
      AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
      Fun my ass! You obviously have never tried to get thru a city during CM. The idea's not having fun, it's taking a mob mentality in thinking it's ok to disrupt everybody's life because you're pissed at the world.

      I've always been one for peaceful demonstration and whatnot, but Critical Mass has always been a HUGE peeve of mine. What (and nobody I've asked has been able to answer this) is it supposed to accomplish??? Change? Well, it doesn't make me want to leave my car at home. It does, however, make me want to run down the next cyclist I see. Awareness? I know they say any publicity is good publicity, but pissing off the city isn't the way to gain support for a cause...

      I might even agree with your cause. But the only thing making me late for work is gonna do is make me vote against whatever it is you're trying to accomplish.

      Truth is, I've always thought of CM events as collective hissy fits. Just kicking and screaming and basically being annoying as hell.

      If you want to bitch, fine, but direct it at someone who gives a damn and can do something about it. But don't fuck with the roads and interfere with all of us who are just trying to live our lives in peace and do our friggin jobs.

      *sigh* It's so goddamn childish...

    2. Re:Critical Mass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      try riding a pushbike for a while.

      You'll discover exactly how innattentive, childish and selfish the average motorist is.

      As a city pushbike rider of long standing I can tell you, its the *pointless risks* car drivers take with your life, that really frustrate and annoy. And they happen every day, on every ride. Except for CM day!

      You can put up with a little delay every now and then whilst we train more drivers to remember who we are. Lets face it, we put up with a mountain of crap from you lot...

    3. Re:Critical Mass by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >mob mentality thinking it's ok to disrupt everybody's life because you're pissed at the world.

      Mob mentality also involves assuming that everyone (who matters) thinks like you. CM rides disrupt drivers because they are pissed off at drivers. Drivers - as CM rides so very clearly show - aren't the whole world.

      You're right that it serves no purpose and that it's inefficient. So, when did we become robots? Go back to Soviet Russia, comrade, your groupthink will be very welcome there. M'yeah.

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    4. Re:Critical Mass by thanuk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > The idea is that having fun and taking over streets, no matter what one's political orientation is, is a good way to make a statement

      Make a statement about what? That you don't care about inconveniencing others and you've time on your hands?

    5. Re:Critical Mass by TheViewFromTheGround · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of course, I and every single one of my friends who bikes on a regular basis has had to go to the hospital because they've been hit by a car and the driver was at fault. I was hit, rolled up the hood, smashed into the windshield, and was thrown to the pavement when someone ran a red light and wound up spending the morning in the ER. Another time, my feet were run over when a car intentionally pinned me in. My girlfriend almost got killed by a van which tried to run her off the road. Another friend was knocked unconscious by someone who threw their door open without looking.

      Recently, the city settled out of court in a lawsuit where an elderly black man (in his 60s) without drugs, weapons, or any malicious intent was intentionally hit by a police car while riding his bike.

      One of the protest aspects of Critical Mass is to protest the interference of cars in the lives of cyclists when the law states that cars and bicycles must share the road. A statement is needed precisely because drivers are so careless and malicious towards cyclists.

      As a sidenote, every time Critical Mass has taken over Lake Shore, the bikes are slowed down by the cars. Traffic around downtown Chicago at rush hour is so slow that bikes have a greater average speed. I'd guess that the amount of time that you lost was minimal.

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  28. One answer by SuperBanana · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why? What's the point?

    Because it's there. Jeez, pay attention!

  29. zerg by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Electronic sheep?

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  30. Re:okay, this is what bugs me about this. by Eminor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This country is totally going down the crapper, when there's all this ridiculous, unfair, unjust stuff going on and people are organizing these pointless stand ins.

    Think of it as a testing ground for more smart spontaneous protests.

    Will anyone organise a flash mob to boo an RIAA lawyer?

  31. And... by Squidgee · · Score: 2, Funny
    And the "flash mob" that is /. brings down Cheese Bikini.

    I'll have pictures up shortly.

  32. Re:okay, this is what bugs me about this. by LS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Moderators, how is this insightful?

    First, these do not appear to be protests, so it's comparing apples to oranges.

    Second, if you follow this logic, then you might as well stop going to bars, movies, singing, playing music, watching screensavers, and other "fruitless" endeavors until you've solved the world's problems.

    This poster probably also derides liquid nitrogen cooled pentiums and potato guns and every other "worthless" geek project posted to slashdot.

    I think you need to realize that there really IS no point.

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  33. A semi-related topic by iamdrscience · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you're ever at a concert or any event like that, get like ten people you know to start doing something that makes noise (applauding, chanting something, whatever). It will spread infectiously in a matter of seconds. This works in just general crowds sometimes too but at a concert or similar event it's almost ensured.

    I know this because I discovered it by accident once. For no particular reason I began clapping abnormally loud and in a pattern, long after people had stopped applauding. A group of my friends joined in as a joke and within say 20 seconds the whole room of people was clapping along. We tested this a couple other places as well.

    1. Re:A semi-related topic by Alaska+Jack · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This ties in to something that still makes me laugh when I think about it.

      Me, my brother and a friend were in the tiny Liberty Theater in Seward, Alaska, to watch some Star Trek movie in the early 90s. We got there kind of late, and the theater was packed, so we had to sit down in the front, in the second row I think.

      There was a furious windstorm outside, and while we were waiting for the movie to start the power went out. Emergency lights came on, but it was still nearly pitch dark.

      So sitting there in near total darkness in the tiny but crowded theater, everyone murmuring and squirming and eating popcorn, my brother starts to whistle the theme from Star Trek. I joined in, and pretty soon this entire theater was whistling together, although by then it was kind of hard to whistle since we were all laughing so hard. It was one of the funniest damn things I've ever seen.

    2. Re:A semi-related topic by clambake · · Score: 3, Funny

      Indeed, it does work. A group of myself and five friend once were able to generate and sustain a continuous "wave" at an Astros game for over an hour simply by never "petering out". Sometimes the wave would die out and only we were left, but eventually, after we started standing up at regular intervals and doing a tiny 5-person wave, the wave would start up again. It went like this on and off probably more than 100 times.

    3. Re:A semi-related topic by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's true, there was this one time that me and my buddies Dick, John, Colin and Paul decided to invade Iraq, and before we knew it, 140,000 other people were joining in. Man, we laughed about that.

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  34. Re:Oh great. by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny

    In retaliation, several flash mobs will coverge on the Slashdot offices. (They have offices right?)

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  35. Re:Party at SCO's and RIAA associations home tonig by HungWeiLo · · Score: 4, Funny

    BYOB! Is that Bring Your Own Bash_shell, or Bring Your Own Bandwidth?

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  36. Re:okay, this is what bugs me about this. by imnoteddy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Do they have nothing going on in their lives that they'd get together with a bunch of random strangers and do nothing?

    They're having fun. They'll laugh a lot the rest of the day. They'll tell a whole lot of people about it. That's not doing nothing. Works for me.

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  37. They're just ripping off Bruce Sterling. by kwashiorkor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Read Distraction.

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  38. Re:okay, this is what bugs me about this. by mnmn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Rememeber youre in slashdot. This is where people built beowulf PDAs and emulated a PC in a PC which ran an emulator which ran a PC. Its all because we can, and just because. Its that feeling of control over things and exercising it with no purpose which makes it all interesting and geeklike. Protesting something is just too usual.

    Also note people would have different agendas.. geeks with differing nationalities etc, but a flash crowd gathers these various people with absolutely nothing in common except for the unreasonable excitement about creating a flash crowd. Try it. Youll never go back to protesting.

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  39. Chill by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution."
    --Famous misquote of Emma Goldman

    Sometimes, people just want to have fun. Fear not; some people have already figured out that organized coincidences can be effective protests. See: Critical Mass bike rides. More will figure this out over time. Right now, just enjoy it!

    Side note: The story behind the quote is here.

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  40. The real process for constitutional protection. by sglider · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1. Fill out a 'right to peaceably assemble' permit, specifying the date, time, number of people expected, and reason for assembling. 2. Request where you'd like to peaceably assemble, keeping in mind that your local goverment may move you on a whim (Democratic National Convention, 2000). 3. Bribe 50 or so local officers so that you are not arrested for 'obstructing a sidewalk' (a la the protesters in NYC against the War in Iraq). 4. Finally, do not allow anyone to shout during said demonstration, otherwise police in riot gear that were 'hanging around' may find a reason to bust up your assembly.

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  41. Re:okay, this is what bugs me about this. by LS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My view of life is not fatalistic. I still believe that individuals have the potential to excel and find peace, but the world as a whole will always be screwed up, simply because of probability. There will always be screwed up people in the world doing screwed up things.

    You're view is fatalistic. There is no way out with your mindset.

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  42. Fark vs Slashdot by August_zero · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you want to see something interesting...

    I have scanned through the responses to this subject here on slashdot, and while there are some that have been very negative, the overall vibe I get is positive. (or nuetral)

    Now, go over to FARK.com, and read through the comments that were posted after the article went up yesterday. A vast majority of them are negative, and not just negative in the "bah Im smarter than everyone else" mindset that most of the FARK message boards are built upon, but rather an honest to god "I am offended at how stupid people are that would do this sort of thing" kind of way.

    Not sure if its all that important or even on-topic but an interesting contrast of the two communities.

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  43. All For It.... by MrEnigma · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm all for it, but what happens if a group gets out of hand and starts thrasing property, wether it be in a store, or some public place.

    I guess I wouldn't want it to get out of hand, and maybe have something like that happen. Especially since there will be all kinds of people that know about it now (well, more than before anyhow), so you'll always attract a certain bad subset. Like slashdot in trolls, it's unavoidable.

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  44. Obligatory security note by LaForce · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From article: Getting groups together is easier these days thanks to e-mail, Savage says, but that's only the start. Imagine how simple it will be to assemble a flash mob, he says, when cell phones and handheld computers are equipped with "location aware" technology that will emit a "ping" at the right moment and tell potential mobbers exactly where to go.

    Just replace "potential mobbers" with "police." 'nuff said. Not in my cell phone!

    But on topic, what these people are doing is seriously funny. If I lived in a major city that was doing those things it seems like it would be a great thing to do to ward off boredom and seriousness. Normally, I'm the kind of person who's paranoid about the cameras, under the fear that I'll do something that "looks" suspicious in my every day activities, and be questioned for no reason because of it. This seems like a good way to confuse the heck out of normal people, with pure surreal action.

    In a way, it reminds me of something we used to organize way back in school. Anyone else have a tradition where a large group of classmates would pick a keyphrase to wait for a lecturer to say, and then upon that word, everybody shifts weight, turns a page, or something of the like? Less organized than these 'mobs' but still a lot of fun, as immature as we were. I mean, are. Yeah...

  45. July Jingle Bells by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Mad Santa Crawl: "each year at christmastime a crowd of santas descends upon one of san francisco's most-touristed neighborhoods to get drunk, to hand out disturbing gifts, and to frighten tourists.

    You want to really freak people, dress like Santa's in July and sing carols. I had a college friend who used to get drunk on a hot May night and wonder around singing xmas carols. It was a hoot.

  46. Same in the UK by p.gogarty · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Feel sorry for us UK residence it is now law that a gathering of over 7 people in a public place can be classed as a riot is it doesn't dispures when asked.

    That is just having a group larger than 7 people (unless obvoiusly you have a permit to hold a public demonstration).

    Yay to no constitution and the criminal justice bill in Britian.

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    1. Re:Same in the UK by Hittite+Creosote · · Score: 2, Interesting
      In Great Britain the Constitution is the whole body of public law, customary as well as statutory, which is continually being modified by custom, judgement in the courts as well as by the elected representatives of the country.

      The British Constitution developed from the Magna Carta and whilst it is not written down in one place, it is considered to be a strong constitution.

      Just because the UK version isn't all in one place doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just because the US one is all down in one place, it doesn't mean the US government will uphold all of it if it things it can get away with ignoring bits it finds inconvenient.

  47. Flash Mobs = Slashdotting? by DjReagan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So this is basically a bunch of people going and doing a real-life meat-space slashdotting of public places?

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  48. WASP by andrewbaldwin · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the science fiction book "WASP" by Eric Frank Russell he quotes an early example of this when one person stared at the sky intently, muttering about flames - pretty soon there was a small crowd and in the end the air-force was sent up to investigate. I can't recall where it happened (in eastern Europe, I believe). The book is highly recommended (albeit slightly dated now as it was written in the days of the height of the cold war and the obvious parallels are less relevant now)

    Just another example of Matt Groening's (obligatory Simpson's reference) life view that individuals are clever, crowds are stupid

  49. Traffic Light Game by CmdrGravy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This was probably very sad but nonetheless.

    When my friends and I were teenagers and used to find ourselves wandering the streets at 3AM in the morning ( usually ending up at all night petrol stations ) we devised what we like to think of as street theatre.

    Usually the area of town we hung around in was as quiet as a grave and you'd hardly ever see anyone else at that time in the morning. When there was a fair sized crowd of us ( 8+ ) we would all position ourselves on various sides of the street near a set of traffic lights.

    As a car approached somone would press the lights to get the car to stop and everyone would by then be walking up to and over the traffic lights like we were all unknown to each other and just happened to all turn up at this particular set of traffic lights at the same time and carry on off in different directions.

    I always found it very amusing and luckily so the Police when we had mistaken them for a normal car and carried out this trick on two different traffic lights on the same set of road. We stopped them at both lights but the driver was seen to clap his hands in slow applause at the second.

  50. Now I Understand What I Saw The Other Day by kmilani2134 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I left my office in SoHo (NYC) the other afternoon and saw a mob of people in the shoe store across the street. It is a fairly large shoe store and the whole front of the shoe store is all windows so you can see inside quite easily. The whole place was packed with people and there were even a fair number of people outside the place.

    There were easily half a dozen people with cameras who were holding their cameras up and taking snapshots. WhatI found strange is that they didn't seem to really be focusing their cameras on anything in particular.

    I thought for sure that there must have been some famous person shopping at the store, but that doesn't usually cause such a strange buzz in NYC (unless you are in Times Square with the tourists).

    The first I have heard about flash mobs is through this story on slashdot. And as soon as I read the story, I knew that is what I had seen. When you don't know about flash mobs, the whole thing kind of leaves you a little bit bewildered, yet it absolutely gets your attention.

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  51. White House, North Fence, July 26, 1800EST by Jerk+City+Troll · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I say we get a group to go stand at the north-side fence (by Lafayette Park) of the White House and give a resounding "Boo!" for about 60 seconds while giving thumbs down (no obscene gestures), then just leaving. Absolutely peaceful, no signs, just a really vocal show of disapproval. Saturday, July 26, at 1800EST.

  52. Re:Other interesting possibilities by b1t+r0t · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about meta flash-mobbing? As in you have a flash mob group who watches a different flash mob site to figure out what they're up to, get there at the same time, and do something else, possibly related in some way to the "official" behavior.

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  53. "No force on earth can stop one hundred Santas!" by deranged+unix+nut · · Score: 2, Informative

    This story on flash mobs reminds me of Santarchy.

    Flash mobs, meet lots of Santas informally gathering at the same place and time.

    www.santarchy.com

  54. Flashing mobs (nudity) by Linuxathome · · Score: 2, Funny

    The title of the story had me confused. At first, before reading the article, I thought the story pertained to mobs getting together to see people flash themselves. Shucks, I was wrong.

  55. Re:nothing to fear by Usquebaugh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just ask them what they earn. When they refuse to tell you ask them why they want to keep it secret have they done soemthing wrong?