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RPC DCOM Cleanup Worm Appears

UnderAttack writes "This morning, the SANS Internet Storm Center posted a note about an increase in ICMP traffic, including a quick initial analysis. As it turns out, yet another worm, this time the W32/Nachi.worm, is going around taking advantage of the RPC DCOM vulnerability. The twist this time: the worm will actually clean up machines. It tries to download the correct patches from Windows Update and remove the Blaster worm."

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  1. that's cute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now they just need to release a worm that cleans up the blaster virus by formatting the machine and installing linux

    1. Re:that's cute by krisp · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd settle for a worm that downloaded a kernel and loadlin.exe. The kernel would boot an included ramdisk image that changed the MBR to hide windows and a login message telling a riddle to guess the root password.

      Something along the lines of:
      Who do I now need to pay $699 to?

    2. Re:that's cute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe that's how windows got on my machine.

    3. Re:that's cute by swordboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd settle for a worm that downloaded a kernel and loadlin.exe.

      You actually don't need a worm for that. Most users aren't savvy enough to know what an ActiveX installer is so they simply "click yes". We wouldn't have the Gator problem that exists if users were just a bit more educated (or MS software wasn't so exploit-able).

      If you could create a distro that installed and co-existed on an NTFS partition, you'd have a winner. Heck, you could even give users the option to "remove my windows partition" once they started using it.

      IMHO - Linux on NTFS is the first step to widespread adoption. Users would be able to install it through Windows via a regular InstallShield or whatever...

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    4. Re:that's cute by Romeozulu · · Score: 3, Informative

      >>Seems to me it's been years since anyone could get even close to root access by hacking Linux.

      About a year ago I installed RedHat 7.2. It was my first Linux install and after getting it up and running, I spent about an hour playing around with it before downloading all the patches (there were *a lot*). In that short time, a venerability in wu-ftp was exploited and my machine compromised.

      Call my stupid (and I'm sure you will), but for a "boxed, off the shelve" consumer product, that doesn't sound too secure to me. There might not be a lot of holes in the kernal, but there are quite a few in all the tools that ship with it.

      Granted, any expert would not have been caught by this, but if the goal is Linux in the home, this can't happen anymore that it can in Windows.

      Ron

    5. Re:that's cute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who do I now need to pay $699 to?

      Am I right?

    6. Re:that's cute by Fjord · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude, Geico can save you 15% or more.

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    7. Re:that's cute by Nucleon500 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why wasn't the machine behind a firewall? If it was your first Linux install, why did you install wu-ftp and set it to listen to the net, before checking for security issues? That's certainly not the default. Just because it's Linux doesn't mean you don't have to be careful.

    8. Re:that's cute by blixel · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now they just need to release a worm that cleans up the blaster virus by formatting the machine and installing linux

      That wouldn't work too well. You would have to download the virus yourself, make sure the virus was compatible with your hardware, make sure you had all the necessary dependencies for the virus to run properly, then you would have to modify the virus source code to work with your particular setup, then go out on newsgroups seeking help when you can't get it to work, and in the end you would end up giving up, re-installing Windows, then posting an article on Slashdot about how Linux "isn't quite ready for the masses yet."

    9. Re:that's cute by Romeozulu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your message kind of proves my point. Yes, I should have done a lot of things before connecting or installing wu-ftp, but I was a happy consumer that bought RH at CompUSA that kicked "next", "next", "next" on the install wizard.

      My point is, out of the box, RH (i.e Linux to the masses) isn't much better than Windows. You shouldn't have to be a pro to get a secure version installed. Checking on the "net" is not what I would expect the consumer to do.

      Ron

    10. Re:that's cute by MacGod · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If you could create a distro that installed and co-existed on an NTFS partition, you'd have a winner.

      See, I would tend to disagree. being a long time Mac user, I've struggled to figure out why the MacOS, which I consider to be clearly superior to Windows, hasn't done better. I finally realised: people are lazy and unlikely to vary from what they're used to.

      Sure, the learning curve to switch from Windows to Mac, and the Mac experience is easier to use, more stable, less virus-prone etc etc, but people assume it's different. And just try answering the question "Does the Mac use Windows?"

      Linux is an even harder sell, because most of the benefits are technical. With OS X, I can show the cool iTunes visualiser, the pretty Aqua GUI, the Mail.app spam filter etc. But try telling me mom why a recompilable kernel-based OS is superior to a monolithic architecture, and watch her eyes glaze over. Start talking about SMTP, POP, NFS, inetd etc etc and you'll lose her.

      I don't see Linux or (sadly) MacOS gaining much dominance because it's a self-perpetuating ycle: the more people use Windows, the more they're used to it, and the less likely they are to change.

      It's the same reason many people at eat McDonald's regularily, instead of trying new places

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  2. Coolness.... by MadBiologist · · Score: 4, Funny

    The only thing better than a clean up worm... is a gummi worm!

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    1. Re:Coolness.... by Satan+Dumpling · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think this cleanup worm is a dandy idea. Yes, it's still a worm and could cause traffic or computer problems, but it's nice to see one with good intentions. Had I designed it I probably would have made it disable itself sooner, maybe after a few days instead of 2004, and tell the computer user exactly what it was doing.

    2. Re:Coolness.... by Mortanius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a nice thought, but when it comes down to it, it's still a worm. It installs itself on your machine, without your permission, exploiting a hole in the Windows RPC code, downloads patches without your permission, installs the patches, still without your permission, and then sits there until it kills itself on Jan 1, 2004. I know on Slashdot there are enough people paranoid about Windows patches to want to not download them anyway, this will surely set them off. If worm/virus authors were ever tracked down and prosecuted, I'd demand the author of this worm to be dealt with in the same manner.

      On a more practical side, though, perhaps we need more of these, enough people seem to not patch their systems themselves...

    3. Re:Coolness.... by Nasheer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed. It is a great service from an unknown person. However, it is not an ethical thing to to. Okay, Ethics vary from people to people, but this is very questionable.

      The question is: "would fixing a computer without giving the user the option to accept it or not be a right thing?"

      Many may remember what happened when such things were tried to be implemented by a known Megacorp.

      Me, I'd rather not be a luser and play by the book, updating my system frequently and using antiviruses on my Win machines.

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    4. Re:Coolness.... by NullAndVoid · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, I'm really fucking enjoying being up all night trying to stop this wonderful worm from hosing the network so my company isn't shut down tomorrow. Whatever samaratan wrote it can go fuck himself.

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    5. Re:Coolness.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      From Manta of MantaBase MaxPC Forum User:

      Intent should be considered. The crimes are not the same.

      Further, there is alot on your (not yours personally - I don't know) drive that is there without consent. Should we treat cookie and tracker bot planters the same as those who initiate viruses (I think we should)? What about those that plant packets on your drive without thier knowledge.

      Intent should be considered. When the law is black and white we are all guilty

      Just some food for thought.

      Manta

    6. Re:Coolness.... by Tamifah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You obviously have time to post on Slashdot. Why wasn't your network patched already, anyway?

  3. This could go on for a while... by Mr.+Neutron · · Score: 5, Funny

    What happens when someone releases an anti-anti-Blaster-worm-worm-worm?

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    1. Re:This could go on for a while... by marktoml · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It really is more akin to a microphage than a virus. Perhaps this starts a whole new trend :)

      Neat nonetheless.

    2. Re:This could go on for a while... by TheViffer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Better find a new security hole then as this is closing the door to msblaster's hosts. So basically the "next" worm would have to find another vulnerabilty in Windoze to get to the W32/Nachi worm

      But since its gotten in a "host" a new way the W32/Nachi worm is of little concern since its trying to kill the old worm.

      But what this will do is make leet hackers trying to industrialize thier worms. Such things as taking more control over the system, disabling all traffic to Microsoft, attacking virus protection, or even close the door themselves so that cleaner worms or "copy-cat" worms can't get in.

      The evolution of the "worm" has begun.

      The other question I have is whether or not the W32/Nachi worm cleans up itself it it can not find a host to spread to. The "cure" may turn out to be no better then msblaster if it generates massive network traffic looking for new hosts.

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    3. Re:This could go on for a while... by swordboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What happens when someone releases an...

      [starts coding furiously on a anti-Gator worm]

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    4. Re:This could go on for a while... by DickBreath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But what this will do is make leet hackers trying to industrialize thier worms. Such things as taking more control over the system, disabling all traffic to Microsoft, attacking virus protection, or even close the door themselves so that cleaner worms or "copy-cat" worms can't get in.
      The evolution of the "worm" has begun.


      Hey, it's more fun than CoreWars! (to people of a certian mentality.) Once a vulnerability is discovered, the contest is on to see who can write the best worm to take over the largest number of machines, and keep competitive worms out. I suspect your statement about the beginnings of the evolution of the worm are very prophetic.

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    5. Re:This could go on for a while... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The other question I have is whether or not the W32/Nachi worm cleans up itself it it can not find a host to spread to. The "cure" may turn out to be no better then msblaster if it generates massive network traffic looking for new hosts.

      You know, a really cool way to get around this is have the worm only trigger an infection when a Slammer infection attempt is detected. This way, you'll only hit infected machines. Then, coupled with an expiry time, this thing could be relatively benign (well, other than the whole "break into computers and install software without permission" thing).

    6. Re:This could go on for a while... by griffjon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's the first rumblings of Curious Yellow, I tell ya.

      The end is near. So download Linux!

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    7. Re:This could go on for a while... by thx2001r · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is interesting because, initially, worms were mechanisms to install software (in a distributed computing type of model) across networks with slow connections (or was it updates?).

      It would be interesting if technology like this were used by administrators to distribute patches to people whose machines have become infected with other viruses...

      Since people never bother to install patches when told to but ALWAYS "install" the latest versions of viruses, this may be an interesting new way to distribute pre-emptive patches or solutions for removing infections from machines.

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    8. Re:This could go on for a while... by Hellkitten · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I see a new arms race coming up. "White hat" virus/worm writer vs "Black Hat" virus/worm vriters.

      Or perhaps it was just that one of them finally realized that to make headlines (and get the attention that these guys seem to crave for) it had to be different from the rest. Since worms usually cause damage, what better way to be different than by fixing damage

      Or perhaps it's simply microsofts latest patch distribution strategy. "We use our holes to patch our holes". (So they're not bugs, just an update distribution feature)

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    9. Re:This could go on for a while... by ndogg · · Score: 2, Informative
      When the system clock reaches Jan 1, 2004, the worm will delete itself upon execution.

      RTFA has never been more relevant.
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    10. Re:This could go on for a while... by sw155kn1f3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      yeah... i propose to call this new macrophage "SkyNet" ;-)

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  4. So cool! by KingDaveRa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Oh wow! This is the internet equivilent of white blood cells! First there was white-hat hackers. Now white-hat virus writers? Makes a damn good change!

    1. Re:So cool! by __past__ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except that white blood cells don't usually cause lots of damage themselves. Even a "white-hat" worm causes lots of traffic and can thus bring down networks and make innocent people pay for lots of wasted bandwidth.

    2. Re:So cool! by T3kno · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You haven't popped a zit in a while have you?

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    3. Re:So cool! by KingDaveRa · · Score: 4, Informative

      Very true.

      But, notice that this worm self un-installs at a certain date. Its quite a way away, but even so. The fact it opens port 707 sounds a bit worrying though.

    4. Re:So cool! by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, and if you'd keep your hands out of the cheetos bag and pick up a healthy subway sub instead of your double qp with cheese, you wouldnt either.

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    5. Re:So cool! by cornice · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except that white blood cells don't usually cause lots of damage themselves.

      Except in an autoimmune disorder.

    6. Re:So cool! by ChrisDolan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, if you leave the door to your house unlocked, you're giving me permission to enter and nail plywood sheets over the doorway? Cool. It's for your own good, after all. Better that I render your house impregnable than a drug dealer gets in a sets up shop. Oh by the way, I'm not a carpenter, so if I accidentally break up a couple windows in the process, you won't mind, right?

    7. Re:So cool! by slide-rule · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You seem to overestimate the common person's knowledge and saavy about even the very need to patch their systems. See this personal account. You would be surprised just how innocent people can be. Start-Windows Update ? Sure, it's there, but if they don't know *why* it is there and it hasn't been scared into them at a personal level, they probably won't play with it, for fear they'll break something and have to pay a repair man at a shop somewhere to fix it.

    8. Re:So cool! by Andorion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your "robbery victim" anology isn't right (ChrisDolan's is slightly better.) Lets try a more accurate one:

      Someone has entered your house through an unlocked back door and installed a device which disrupts yours (and other peoples') wireless networks. You're not only the victim of a crime, but by being a victim (and leaving your door unlocked) you're causing harm to others (in the case of the virus, it's spreading to others, being used in a DOS attack, etc.) Someone then comes in through this still-unlocked back door, removes the harmfull device from your house and locks the door on his way out.

      Sound better?

      In ChrisDolan's analogy, "boarding up the door" is over the top.

      Granted, I don't know any details on *this* virus (how long it hangs around, how much traffic it causes) but it sounds like a pretty good idea.

      ~Berj

    9. Re:So cool! by bravehamster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You would be surprised just how innocent people can be

      You seem to be confusing innocence with willful ignorance. If you want to own and use a computer, especially one connected to the internet, you have an implied obligation to make sure you know how to use and care for it properly. Just like when you own a car. When your ignorance begins to impact and harm other people, any claim of innocence gets tossed right out.

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    10. Re:So cool! by MrMrBen · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why should we expect ordinary computer users to be that sophisticated about their computer? Buying a computer to browse the web do word processing shouldn't be like buying a pet. It gets ridiculous when the amount of time you need to spend keeping your computer protected approaches the amount of time you need to spend taking care of your dog or cat.

    11. Re:So cool! by coolerthanmilk · · Score: 2, Funny

      The fact it opens port 707 sounds a bit worrying though.

      There's no need to worry. Obviously, the computer is just standing on its head and laughing with joy at being rid of its former parasitic habitant.

      707 -> LOL!

      The only way it could really laugh out loud would be to open a port through which it can laugh. It makes perfect sense. No, no need to worry here, just LOL some more.
    12. Re:So cool! by neomorph · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, there is. Dermatologists routinely prescribe oil-free diets as part of a program to reduce acne.

      I, too, thought it was a lot of baloney. But I went on a diet to lose some weight, and a nice side effect was that my complexion cleared up.

    13. Re:So cool! by JWW · · Score: 2, Insightful

      not a single one has not seen

      !(not a single one has not seen) == everyone has seen

      That would have been soo much easier to read.

    14. Re:So cool! by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You seem to be confusing innocence with willful ignorance. If you want to own and use a computer, especially one connected to the internet, you have an implied obligation to make sure you know how to use and care for it properly. Just like when you own a car. When your ignorance begins to impact and harm other people, any claim of innocence gets tossed right out.

      Great, so YOU go explain to my mom how to. I live 1300 miles away, I get my sister to when possible, and I do when I visit, but shes 67, and has no hope of being L33+. "Obligation" is a bit harsh. We want everyone on the internet (it made it cheaper) and we talk about being inclusive, but they we talk shit about how superior we are and people who get confused about updates should not be on the net.

      The problem isn't my mom. The problem is the dickholes who write very bad OS software that must be patched weekly. And no, she wasn't infected. I had been down visiting and updated her.

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  5. Time till first lawsuit by Aadain2001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm taking bets on how long till the first lawsuit comes out against the person or persons who wrote this helpful worm. I say it will happend before the people who wrote the destructive worms are even arrested.

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    1. Re:Time till first lawsuit by dnoyeb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Indeed. "No good deed goes unpunished," as the saying goes.

      Plus, it just so happens that good people are not as paranoid and don't tend to hide themselves as well...

    2. Re:Time till first lawsuit by NevermindPhreak · · Score: 5, Interesting

      its very possible that this worm was made by the same person who made the original. notice that this worm was released *after* the attack on the microsoft website. also, the worm was not meant to cause any harm on any of its host systems. the worm served its purpose, so why not clean up after yourself?

  6. cleaner worms by 2057 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    now as much as this is a good idea it is bad because it reduces the internet bandwidth and creates users who don't know how to run windows update, if someone else keeps fixing the problem it will never be fixed.

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    1. Re:cleaner worms by DeltaSigma · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sorry if I sounded unreasonable. I tried to make myself clearer towards the end. You and I should continue as we have. Diligently patching our systems and preventing disasters. I just don't feel any need to oppose someone who's cleaning up everyone elses machine for them.

      In the rush to get a post up though I neglected to mention a few details:

      1. You know those companies that have to evaluate patches on isolated machines before they can deploy them on their network, even if that testing takes longer than it does for a hacker to write a worm exploiting the vulnerability? This anti-virus just violated procedure for them. Now all their machines that were STABLE + INFECTED are UNSTABLE + INFECTED.
      2. If this virus wasn't written very well, there's potential problems. For instance, if it doesn't clean itself up after patching the vulnerability, and still actively searches the web for new hosts, our net savings of bandwidth is effectively zero. This new virus will end up taking up the same amount of bandwidth as the original did, and just like code red, server admins will be feeling the ping from this anti-virus for years to come.

      There's other dilemma's but I need to go take a break now.

  7. They will never allow this to grow by passthecrackpipe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Heh, if this turned into a trend, it could spell the end of an industry - the virus-removal industry. Imagine: Open Sourced, hunter-seeker virus removal worms, out in the wild nearly as fast as the original, cleaning up the mess some scridiot created in a fit of juvinle mischief. Somehow, I don't think the virus writer/scanner cartel will not let this become a trend.

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    1. Re:They will never allow this to grow by funkhauser · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the virus-scanner "cartels" could keep people from writing anti-viral worms, then wouldn't you suppose someone could just go stop the writers of the viruses in the first place?

    2. Re:They will never allow this to grow by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except that these "white" worms still eat up a shitload of bandwidth, and businesses and people still have to eat those costs.

      I remember way back in my hometown the cops got the brilliant idea to go through the parking lot trying to open car doors. When they'd find an unlocked car, they'd leave a little pamphlet on the drivers seat about why you should lock your doors.

      People were pissed, and rightly so. It doesnt matter if it's locked or not, noone has any right to open it up and go inside without your permission.

      Its not important what the worms payload is. The writers of this should suffer the same punishment if caught as the writers of a DDoS worm.

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    3. Re:They will never allow this to grow by jandrese · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the end the bandwidth should be considerably less than if you let those machines get infected with the regular worm and run the infection code forever. At least this worm has a time limit on it.

      People may be mad, but the fact is that their unpatched machines are a menace to everybody else on the internet (much moreso than an unlocked car). It's got to stop somehow, and until Microsoft ships Windows with a built-in enabled automatic firewall on all of these ports that shouldn't (by any rights) be internet visible, then we're going to see a lot of this, just like we have in the past. The other option of course is to have everybody switch to OpenBSD as their desktop OS, but I find this option less likely than the MS default firewall option.

      I know people who are pissed if you tell them that their fly is open, but it doesn't mean I shouldn't try.

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    4. Re:They will never allow this to grow by bahamat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, but interestingly enough, Network Associates VirusScan and Sniffer products detect and block Nachi.

  8. That's hysterical... by mekkab · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Because Mom and Pop can't be bothered to figure out this internet thingie ("can I talk on the phone at the same time? Will it turn on in the middle of the night and download spam?") It seems some avenging white-hat (aka Sysadmin who is tired of encountering so many damn infected machines) has coded up a viral solution!

    An even better twist of fate would be for that individual to get arrested for creating a worm! (its a DMCA violation to use that hack...)

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    1. Re:That's hysterical... by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hes such a whitehat he can pay my bandwidth bill for me.

      Would you like spam if it offered you things you like? Would spam from redhat or the FSF be good?

      I say no, spam is spam and worms are worms.

      The best way to make the internet cheaper and faster is to eliminate all the superflouous junk traffic.

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    2. Re:That's hysterical... by naasking · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hes such a whitehat he can pay my bandwidth bill for me.

      Who's going to pay for your bandwidth when the real worm gets out of hand? Better a pre-emptive strike from a beneficial source with minor inconveniences than a serious problem from a malicious source which would cause even more traffic problems.

  9. I wonder if ... by djrisk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder if MS is h4x0r1ng themselves... maybe they figured the best way to get out a patch is to use their own vulnerability. ;-) "It worked for the hackers, maybe it'll work for us!"

  10. If only I had the knowhow... by 403Forbidden · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've had this idea for quite awhile now. All these people that find exploits should just write a virus to patch the vulnerability.

    Bravo.

  11. Scanning my users by zbowling · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just got done scanning all my users to check for the patch install. About 1/4 have the patch so far, that are publicly accessable and not behind a firewall. Using the tool on Microsoft's website, and it seems to work well for us ISPs. I set up the router to block that port on my core router but if some gets inside the network with it, we might still get hit. This thing is bad.

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    1. Re:Scanning my users by cptgrudge · · Score: 5, Informative
      If I would make a guess, it's most likely this. Pretty slick; it allows you to scan IP subnets.

      For those Windows sysadmins that don't know, you can use SUS (free from Microsoft) on a local server to distribute updates via Automatic Updates. The clients need to be configured, through Group Policy (or manually, if you wish), to use your server instead of Micosoft's, but it can scale quite easily to enterprise level.

      It needs IIS to run, but it runs the IIS Lockdown Tool at the same time.

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  12. Helping lazy admins by FattMattP · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow, a worm to do the work that the sysadmin should have done in the first place. That'll encourage those lazy sysadmins to just sit back and continue to do nothing.

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  13. Where was this worm last week? by tinypillar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Instead of quickly cleaning mblast last week from my network, I could have just sat around on my ass and played video games . . . and let this worm do all the work for me. Damn.

  14. I did wonder by Eluding+Reality · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have wondered for a while when this sorta thing would start happening, anti-virus coders that go after the virus coders.

    This could be something we see more of in the future, almost like a battle between the two groups, taking place on machines throughout the world while the majority of users are completly unaware.

    It could be pretty interesting to see the whole thing unfold!

  15. I feel very comfortable ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 5, Funny

    turning over my network to a well-meaning worm. I trust that it will properly protect my network. I believe that the teeth I put under my pillow magically are turned into quarters. I am confident that Microsoft has resolved this RPC implementation problem. I have faith that Microsoft's security initiatives are on track. I am sure that elves fix my shoes when I fall behind on my work.

  16. Pretty cool by thebatlab · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think on numerous occasions it was debated here and in other places whether this was something that should be done or not. I think some people raised privacy concerns and other ethical things like that. Basically saying "a virus is a virus" (yeah, yeah it's a worm :)) However it can be sort of viewed in the way vaccines are. Harmless strains of virii used to boost the immune system. That's just what this worm does. It's a harmless strain that clears up an "infection" I think this is a worm I wouldn't mind my parents having on their computer. I'm almost positive they haven't patched their machine and now that DSL is in their rural area they're all the more vulnerable to it. If this can clean it up for them without me pulling my hair out while going over the update process then so be it :)

    1. Re:Pretty cool by Otter · · Score: 2, Informative
      Except that vaccines aren't contagious

      Nitpick: there are contagious vaccines, including the Sabin polio vaccine. That's a large part of why it's preferred to the old Salk vaccine, despite a higher rate of side effects, because 100% vaccination isn't necessary to give 100% coverage. (Also, oral vaccines are easier to administer and more likely to be accepted than are injected vaccines.)

    2. Re:Pretty cool by MadCow42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >> However it can be sort of viewed in the way vaccines are

      Sure... but when was the last time a nurse jabbed you in the ass with a vaccine while you were walking down the street stuffing your mouth with dounuts?

      Even vaccines are voluntary things that have risks...

      MadCow.

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      I used to have a sig, but I set it free and it never came back.
  17. Internet Robin Hood by derrickh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is probaly the best internet virus news I've heard in a long time. Unfortunately, it's only a matter of time before the creator is tracked down and prosecuted for violation of internet security laws.

    D

    1. Re:Internet Robin Hood by ChrisDolan · · Score: 5, Funny

      If this worm is supposed to be Robin Hood, then picture Sherwood Forest overrun by about 30 million tights-clad archers running about, grabbing every person in sight, shaking them vigorously to see if they are rich, and cutting purses if jingling is detected.

      Let's just hope that jingle-detection algorithm is perfect, and the purse-cutting knife is sharp and true. Otherwise Sherwood is going to have a lot of pissed-off, penniless eunuchs.

      Vigilantism is a dangerous game. Innocent victims do get hurt. This worm is a very bad idea.

  18. Core wars by On+Lawn · · Score: 5, Interesting


    Something about this seems like a global scale Core Wars game. How scary, horrible and cool at the same time.

  19. So how long until by mfago · · Score: 2, Funny

    someone makes a worm that downloads and installs a Linux distro?

  20. And guess who'll get caught by tbase · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No good deed goes unpunished. Who's going to give odds that the writer(s) of the 'good' worm will get caught and strung up by the short hairs under the DMCA? As long as it only affects machines that haven't already been patched- great. But what if it's flawed and actually causes unintentional damage? And if the original authors of the Blaster worm's intent was to teach people who ignore warnings a lesson, might this not start a virus war, of sorts? Sounds cool, but I'm not convinced this is an entirely good thing.

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  21. Wow, I called this last Thursday! by Jack+William+Bell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Last week we were discussing the MSBlast worm here in the office and I commented, rather offhandly, "I wonder how long it will take before someone writes a phage worm that uses the same hole, but eats MSBlast?"

    Apparently the answer is 'Four days at most...'

    The extent to which the Internet recapitulates evolution and biological systems is astounding!

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    1. Re:Wow, I called this last Thursday! by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2, Funny

      > The extent to which the Internet recapitulates evolution and biological systems is astounding!

      Yeah, now all we need is a type of cancer that attacks cancer cells and turns them back into normal cells.

      And one that turns people who don't patch their machines into people who DO patch their machines! Oh yeah, that'd be sweet...

  22. Finally by MC68040 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    a sensibile worm, although, it will be interesting to see how many anti-virus companies will classify this as a "threat" or not, don't you think?

    - It is a worm by nature, but it also does good but without the user's authorization... Sounds a bit like automatic windows update gone postal ;).

    1. Re:Finally by ThingOne · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the anti-virus company's do not label this as a threat it could lead to more virus mimicking good virus. If a friend sends you a email with a "good virus" do you know if this particular variety is harmless. If its a virus I believe it should be labled as a threat, good or not.

  23. I can hear it now... by Trolling4Dollars · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "See? See?!! We don't need to patch our systems because Microsoft is doing it for us by mailing us the fix in e-mail! See?! I'm not afraid of worms because eventually someone will fix it for me!"

  24. Re:It's the first time.. by SirSlud · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know all those annoying car alarms that go off in the middle of the night waking everybody up?

    I've made a better car alarm: it makes an even LOUDER sound, thus drowning out the original car alarm for everybody's protection.

    Its the first time I see a car alarm that actually does something good!

    --
    "Old man yells at systemd"
  25. I hope they wrote this one correctly by Hal+The+Computer · · Score: 2, Funny

    But does this new worm try and download the update from www.windowsupdate.com?

    P.S. If you didn't know, Microsoft took down windowsupdate.com, the correct site name is windowsupdate.microsoft.com

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    int main(void){int x=01232;while(malloc(x));return x;}
  26. Re:Speaking of which... by jmanning · · Score: 5, Informative

    This article might answer your question.
    Basically, No. Nothing happened.

  27. Re:Speaking of which... by Flabby+Boohoo · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, Microsoft killed the windowsupdate.com domain.

  28. Predicted a long time ago, and very far away. by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Funny

    Begun, this worm war has.

  29. This is sweet. by Lester67 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Basically someone has given you a week to fix it yourself, or they fix it for you.

    This rocks.

  30. the next few weeks... by joedoe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    should provide a great test of the security savvy of university IT departments, as students return to the dorms and plug in their unpatched computers, the vast majority of which probably haven't been connected to the Internet in several months.

    Unsecured university networks could unleash a new wave of worm-infected machines on the Net. This could be fun to watch, for those of us who aren't uni sysadmins...

    --joedoe

  31. I hope that this second virus never hit my client, by BlueYoshi · · Score: 2, Informative

    2 weeks ago, I receve a call from one of my customer telling me that he have done nothing but our application was no more working: he got a message server is unavailable or smthg like that.

    You know when customer says:I did nothing, he lies not allways by intention but he lies. In fact , by asking some question, he told me that they just used Microsoft Auto upadte.

    Now the point: HotFix 823980 fix well the problem of RPC overflow but cause an impossibility to access a COM+ object that we need (In fact our server is a com+ object). So if you fix the bug our software dont run if you don't...

    Are we the only company that got this problem? Are we the only using a COM+ object server instantiate on client?

    --
    "Use cases are fairy tales..." I. S. 2005
  32. Obligatory Semi-Relevant Simpsons Quote by shik0me · · Score: 5, Funny

    Skinner: Well, I was wrong. The lizards are a godsend.
    Lisa: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?
    Skinner: No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.
    Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse?
    Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.
    Lisa: But then we're stuck with gorillas!
    Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

  33. Bad Idea by JonathanX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's see...

    Does it magically boot the system off known good media to check for
    rootkits/backdoors/trojans/[insert favorite evil here]???

    No.

    Does it magically monitor the traffic to and from the machine for a
    reasonable period of time to ensure that nothing is amiss???

    No.

    Does it reinstall the host OS from the original media and restore the last
    known good backup???

    No.

    So...what does it do?

    It patches the hole and wipes out the worm if present, then deletes itself
    in 2004. Great...except, MSBlaster wasn't the only thing that took
    advantage of the RPC/DCOM exploit. Oops. Now the system administrator has
    no cause to take any of the above steps because from his view, sitting in
    his office running the latest eEye scanner, the machine was never
    vulnerable.

    When will folks figure out that these so called "good worms" are not a good
    thing? The failure of the author to take note of such fundamental flaws in
    his or her logic suggests that they have no business doing anything, much
    less volunteering to correct the world's problems. Of course, this could be
    a deliberate cover-up...but somehow I think it's just another security
    cowboy trying to save the world.

    1. Re:Bad Idea by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The reality is that most Windows people don't do those things anyway. My girlfriend recently got a job as a technician-type in a computer shop. She told me their method for Blaster:

      1. Install the fix. Even if the machine is infected. Then reboot.
      2. Run fixblast.exe to see if the machine is still infected.

      I explained to her that there is no way to trust the machine at all once it is infected, unless booting from known-clean files. I think some of it sunk in, because she is now warning people that what they are doing will "most likely" work, but the only way to be sure is a clean install.

      The reality of the issue is that user's don't back up files. A clean reinstall is not an option when someone brings a computer in to a shop, not if you want to keep customers. They will talk to their friends who will tell them that their computer was fixed without a reinstall, and then wonder why you were so incompetant as to require one. They will call you incessantly asking if you can recover a file they had forgotten to back up.

      There is a definite problem enforcing best practices on users in a home environment.

      You get a little more freedom to do things the right way in a corporate internal IT shop, but for home users, the reality is a quick patch-up and then back on the net.

      --
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  34. This happened to Linux first by DotWarner · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Cheese worm did this on compromised Linux systems a few years back. The antivirus industry, in accordance with Linux sysadmins everywhere, added detection for the worm. A virus is a virus, and any unauthorized access to a computer is a Bad Thing.

  35. Self-removing on 1st Jan 2004 by Dynamoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    NAI report that this is a self-removing worm after 1st January 2004.

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  36. Maybe, but not likely. by raehl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The thing about the "white-hat" worm is that it'll eventually kill itself - as it runs around patching machines, there are less vulnerable machines out there, so it will lose its ability to spread.

    Or, put another way, if there were no "white-hat" worm that might also up traffic for a while, there will probably be a black-hat one that WILL up traffic for a while, AND format a few hard drives to boot. Erm, not boot.

  37. Re:Traffic Rubber Band Effect by peterdaly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And you will know enough to either get rid of it or not get it in the first place. Think of how many people have things like Gator on their machine...which they in a way installed (kazaa, etc)...and have not a clue why they get so many popups.

    For the rest of the people out there who would never even know they have this, I'd much rather have them infected with this version.

    I would hope after a certain amount of time, it stops trying to find other infected machines. My previous post is based on this assumption.

    -Pete

  38. A good worm is a dead worm... by ixpro · · Score: 5, Interesting

    People who think this is a good idea, are you for real??? Do you know how much work goes into protecting large corporate networks, rigorous testing of each and every patch before it goes into production, reacting to IDS alerts, identifying potentially vulnerable environments, etc... The fact remains the same, both worms exploit the same vulnerability, both worms modify system data without user's consent, and both are potentially "lethal" because of unpredicted errors and patch compatibility issues. Let's not pee our pants trying to cheer. This is not white hacking. White hacking is identifying the vulnerability, and advising the user on how to protect themselves, but what do I know, feel free to flame, cause that seems to be the common trend on /. these days...

    1. Re:A good worm is a dead worm... by Epistax · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd agree if the fix came out first.
      But if a worm/virus/elephant is released creating mass media, and another one is released abusing the same, you deserve it. Plus it at least has a good intention. It's better to try than to not.

  39. I guess that explains my firewall activity by Control-Z · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been getting a lot of firewalled ping activity today, must be that cleanup worm. Machines that the Blaster worm never even tried to hit. I wouldn't trust a cleanup worm one bit more than I would Blaster. Everyone knows (or should know) you can't count on good intentions on the Internet!

  40. it needs a EULA by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Funny

    "By running this infected program, you agree to abide by these terms & conditions..."

  41. Where do they get these names from? by xigxag · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "W32/Nachi.worm"...sounds like a new spinoff group from Japan's pop-idol Hello! Project

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  42. read the advisory -- this is evil by htmlboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    it patches the rpc hole and installs a tftp server on the saved machine. it then propogates to other machines, infecting them and patching the vulnerability so a later variant of the same worm won't be able to uninstall it.

  43. Self Healing Networks by mrbeaton · · Score: 2, Insightful
    While it clearly isn't a good thing for any worm to make unauthorized changes to a machine, this seems like another step in the direction of self healing networks.

    If a such as this was written whenever a large vulnerability was discovered, and designed to be limited to a specific block of IP addresses, it could be a handy thing to have on hand for someone who admins a large private network. If your network doesn't get hit, then great, but if it does, just let this loose to clean things up.

  44. COMING SOON by Multiple+Sanchez · · Score: 4, Funny

    - W32/Webster.Worm: Opens a command shell using the RPC VNC OpenHole ActiveX/rootsploit featurebug. Opens all MSWord and Works documents, fixes spelling and grammar, saves without a backup, then writes a polite "echo" line to AUTOEXEC.BAT gently chiding you to learn to read at a fourth grade level.

    - W32/PSCheezRemove.AutoTrojanMurderWorm: Attaches to exposed port 5555, downloads GOODTASTE.EXE from a predefined HTTP server, which it then executes. Scans Hard discs for PSD files that employ garish glows, drop shadows, and procedural 2D fire effects, and replaces those layers with a text layer containing the URLs of several reputable visual arts schools.

    - Existence/DrawerClean.Intruder: Waits until you leave for work, jimmies your bedroom window, and illegally enters your home. If he/she finds an underwear drawer, he/she folds and neatly stacks the contents of the drawer, quicksorting by color, then leaves. Symantec is reporting a variant, DrawerClean/FourStar, which leaves a mint on your pillow on the 16th of each month.

  45. Re:Speaking of which... by Munelight · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft killed the windowsupdate.com domain.

    Did anyone else read this with the tune of "video killed the radio star" playing in their head?

  46. Watch out! by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 2, Redundant

    You now have a worm that people are being led to believe that is a "trustworthy" worm.

    Sure it is. But wait. As it moves around, it will be hijacked and mutated into something bad.
    It will pickup a package along the way and drop it in your box, and because you are led to believe that it's a "good" worm you'll welcome it.

    This is NOT smart computing. It's not responsible, by any means. If you don't take action of your own accord, you are lazy and stupid and you deserve whatever bad things happen to you because of it.

    Fix your own problems or pull the plug. If you can't handle it, you have no business using a computer..

  47. one possible author by erikdotla · · Score: 4, Funny

    I feel there's only one possible author of this antiworm: Microsoft.

    Think about it. No average sysadmin would do it to clean up his systems - there's too much liability under DMCA. Idiot home users don't care. Non-Microsoft people are glad that they were to be attacked on Saturday. Who's left? The punk kids who write all the viruses? Why would they care about this? The only other possiblity would be some security company like eEye trying to gain reputation - but again, the DMCA issues would prevent them from disclosing that they ever wrote it.

    Hm... whoever wrote it cares a lot about Microsoft and isn't worried about the DMCA. Microsoft is the only possibility!

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    # Erik
    1. Re:one possible author by DickBreath · · Score: 2, Funny

      whoever wrote it cares a lot about Microsoft and isn't worried about the DMCA. Microsoft is the only possibility!

      No, I disagree.

      I can assure you that there are Microsoft zealots who are every bit as zealous as open source people. Perhaps even more so. Even worse, they claim that they are "unbiased". I know at least one.

      Microsoft could probably get into trouble for this. It is very unlikely that this is anything that the corporation has officially done. It might have been a Microsoft employee.

      But as for those who would say that only Slasdot weenies are passionate about their OS, I have only this to say.....

      developers, developers, Developers, Developers, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS!!!!!

      and...

      Woooo! Give it up for me! I have only four words to say: I, LOVE, THIS, COMPANY.

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      I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
    2. Re:one possible author by steman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I reckon the author is someone who is the sysadmin for a large number of Windows boxen. He thinks to himself 'damn, how do I patch all these computers, I know, I'll write a worm that uses the same techniques', but then forgets to limit his worm to his network.

      Just a thought.

  48. Re:I hope that this second virus never hit my clie by setik · · Score: 2, Informative

    Discreet, makers of 3dsmax, was also affected in a major way by this hot"fix" more info can be found here
    Discreet Info
    Its really a bummer for all those people who stay up to date to find that the .max files they have been making, crash older un-patched windows, I myself spent a day figuring this one out, and getting everyone in my company up to speed.

  49. How do I make Windows Stop Listening? by Marrow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Windows is listening on about 6 ports. What services can I safely turn off so that those 6 ports are closed? These machines are simple TCP/IP client machines that do not need/want/use any Microsoft "innovations". I just need to be able to get to www and pop servers.

    Any help would be appreciated.

  50. Depressing thoughts by DukeyToo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These worms are child's play; it is only a matter of time before someone decides to do something *really* nasty with a well thought out worm.

    There are probably thousands of programmers out there that could have written the blaster worm. Most did not want to do it. Of those that would, most seem to be content to write prankster-style worms. One individual decided to write an anti-worm-worm.

    What if one had decided to write a *really* malicious worm? In my mind, it is a 99% certainty that eventually some pissed off malcontent will do so. And they do not even have to be in the country.

    Imagine a malicious government, with 100 dedicated programmers.

    Or a well funded terrorist or anarchist.

    Imagine, multiple simultaneously spreading worms, helping each other by opening backdoors, targeting Windows systems, Apache web servers, hardware routers, telephone switchboards, and whatever else they can find. And the payload? Designed to inflict the most economical damage. Perhaps even a smokescreen to illicitly gain access to systems that manage power, water, electricity, and actually cause physical damage too.

    Governments need to sit up and take notice, this is serious stuff.

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    Most writers regard truth as their most valuable possession, and therefore are most economical in its use - Mark Twain
    1. Re:Depressing thoughts by Nept · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are probably thousands of programmers out there that could have written the blaster worm.

      Way, way more than that.

      --
      "Teachers leave us kids alone ..." - Roger Waters, Pink Floyd
  51. give it about a week. I've got a better cure. by twitter · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Better find a new security hole then as this is closing the door to msblaster's hosts. So basically the "next" worm would have to find another vulnerabilty in Windoze to get to the W32/Nachi worm

    What, that takes longer than a week? The "cure" may turn out to be no better then msblaster if it generates massive network traffic looking for new hosts.

    No, this cure is no better than the dissease. When a machine is comprimised, it must be rebuilt. What makes you think your particular copy of Nachi is doing your work for you? There's no telling what the damn thing has done and the box is screwed.

    The real cure it to get rid of insecure software like Microsoft makes. Companies that don't start moving toward secure platforms deserve to die.

    If you can't get rid of it because you are enslaved by AutoDesk or similar, blind Microsoft to the network and dual boot it or VMware Windblows. Free software network tools are obviously superior and should be used for moving information around. Hell, ProE on Mac OSX is better for both purposes than AutoCAD on windblows. Similar solutions can be found where free software does not exist yet.

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    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

  52. Consider it this way by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Insightful
    • Under no circumstances is Nachi worse than Blaster.
    • If you're vulnerable to Nachi, you're vulnerable to Blaster. It's not a question of whether Johnny NoPatch gets Nachi, it's a case of whether he gets Nachi or Blaster.
    • The fix for Blaster will protect you from Nachi.
    • A virus checker that can remove Blaster can remove Nachi.
    • Getting Nachi will stop you getting Blaster, even if Nachi is removed.

    If Blaster wasn't in the wild, Nachi would be abhorent. But the thing is, Blaster is in the wild. It's folly to pretend otherwise.

    I can see the pragmatic value of this form of worm, as long as it follows the rule that it should under no circumstances do more damage than the worm that it blocks. Sure, I'd still like to kick the crap out of whoever released it, but I'd shake his hand first.

    --
    If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
  53. Worms: The good, the bad, and windows update by m0smithslash · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When you get right down to it, a worm or a virus is just a bit of code that updates your computer in some fashion. It allows your computer to perform some function it did not previously perform. In essence, it is no different than hitting windows update and hoping for the best.

    Well, of course there is a slight difference. With windows update, you ask for the update to happen. That is not the same as knowing what is really being changed. For example, the most recent windows update broke EI when it tries to talk to Squid. Also, I do not really know what is being updated by windows update, I just have to hope for the best.

    So, is leaving a port open any more of a security risk than pressing the "Windows Update" button? Either way I am giving people who I do not know and probably don't trust access to my computer.

    On the flip side, does a worm that improves my computer in some way any better than one that degrades my computer? Would it be ok for MicroSoft to release a worm that automatically upgrades EI? I think more right thinking people would agree that it is wrong, even if its for the right reasons. The end does not justify the means.

    Somewhere there is a line between right and wrong here. The problem of course is that there are so many people who do not understand what a worm or an update are, how can they possible do the right thing? Does a fix it worm make sysadmins lazy?
    Maybe. Does it help the little old lady who just wants to find out about her genealogy and does not know or care how her computer work? Absolutely. It also help those of us who have to help this little old lady out because she is out mother.

    Someday, the computer will be as easy to use as a microwave. Until then, I will take all the help I can get.

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  54. This might not work by bethel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Worm's growth is exponential. It needs to reach a critical mass, then it unleashes itself. The problem with a worm that seals the vulnerability is that the growth will spiral downward exponentially. It's like a parasite that kills it's host too quickly. I'm not quite sure about the details, maybe a mathamatician can help me out, but my gut reaction is that this might not work.

  55. strangely enough by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Funny
    I thought this 'reversal' was obvious fodder for SOVIET RUSSIA jokes, but now I can't think of a good one...

    IN SOVIET RUSSIA, worm fixes YOU! (I am not laughing, are you?)

  56. Re:Speaking of which... by dspeyer · · Score: 2, Funny
    Microsoft also switched their main website to a decentralized GNU/Linux cluster. This is why we can all still get through. Admittedly, they didn't choose GNU/Linux themselves, they choose Akamai, a professional webhosting service, and Akamai chose GNU/Linux. Even so, must be embarrising for them....

    GNU/Linux: for when it actually has to work!

  57. Home inspectors are responsible! by Danathar · · Score: 2, Funny

    I KNEW IT!!! I checked google and NACHI is (National Association of certified Home inspectors). Man. What a pro-active group! I wonder if NOT having this worm will lower my mortgage?

  58. Internet chatter about a Good Worm by JRHelgeson · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This is really interesting. Worms have been released to exploit machines and spread. This is the first known worm to actually try and repair damage.

    There was some talk on the Full Disclosure lists of releasing a worm such as this. Now it appears that someone has done it. Kudo's to them. Now the question becomes: Do we let this worm just run freely out there? Do we try to stop it?

    Past worms haven't been able to load updates like this simply because the vulnerabilities weren't as big as the RPC/DCOM vulnerability that is being used on this exploit/patch.

    The whole internet worm thing has become rather booring. The security community has already learned the lesson to be taught: patch your machines. It looks like there is now something new to take notice of with the Nachi worm.

    Now we need to come up with phrases such as: Are you a good worm, or a bad worm? Or White worms vs. Black worms.

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    Good security is based upon reality and common sense. Common sense is a function of having common knowledge.
  59. The Big Question by 4of12 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...is how good a job this worm does of

    • identifying susceptable machines without burning the network,
    • fixing exactly what needs to be fixed, no more, no less,
    and, most importantly, how does the quality of this unsolicited support per dollar compare with Windows Update or what private companies charge for this service?

    I've often thought that this is the proper way to clean up machines where sysadmins fail to do their own patching after a decent interval.

    In fact, if I were MS, I'd have someone do this, but disclaim any and all connection, for the obvious reason of legal liability.

    [But considering the extra powers authorities have in the case of human infection - witness the recent SARS outbreak - having a net Doctor authorized to release a vaccine for such a serious vulnerability as this RPC/DCOM, at some point after the general notification, seems reasonable to me.]

    --
    "Provided by the management for your protection."
  60. They did by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Governments need to sit up and take notice, this is serious stuff.

    The government warned people TWICE to install the patch last month.

    --
    "Sufferin' succotash."
  61. oh shut up by autopr0n · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After a while, these analogies become completely pointless. We all understand how these programs work, and we can talk about them specifically. Right or wrong on it's own merits, not because it's 'like' something both hypothetical and ridiculous in the real world.

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    autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
  62. Good grief! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why do slashdotters think they are so good at coming up with analogies? You see this in every single article. Someone creates a perfectly fine analogy and 8 people respond saying "actually, it would be more like your neighbor/daughter/lawn gnome..."

    Slashdotter : Good Analogy :: Rosie O'Donnell : Attractive

  63. Re:So cool! It's just like getting "cow pox" by Uninvited+Guest · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's viral, so it's not really a vaccine. It's more like cow pox. Cow pox is contagious, but not severe. And, if you get cow pox, you become immune to small pox (and cow pox, of course) forever after.

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    Sometimes I worry that I'll develop Alzheimer's disease, but no one will notice.
  64. I wrote a virus like this once by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    [I wish I'd seen this on Slashdot earlier, it probably won't get read now :-(]

    Some history:

    Waaay back in the mists of time (1988) I was a 1st-year undergrad in Physics. Together with a couple of friends, I wrote a virus, just to see if we could, and let it loose on just one of the networked machines in the year-1 lab.

    I guess I should say that the virus was completely harmless, it just prepended 'Copyright (c) 1988 The Virus' to the start of directory listings. It was written for Acorn Archimedes/BBC micro's (the lab hadn't got onto PC's by this time, and the Acorn range had loads of ports, which physics labs like :-)

    It spread like wildfire. People would come in, log into the network, and become infected because the last person to use their current computer was infected. It would then infect their account, so wherever they logged on in future would also infect the computer they were using then. A couple of hours later, and most of the lab was infected.

    You have to remember that virii in those days weren't really networked. They came on floppy disks for Atari ST's and Amiga's. I witnessed people logging onto the same computer "to see if they were infected too". Of course, the act of logging in would infect them...

    Of course "authority" was not amused. Actually they were seriously unamused, not that they caught us. They shut down the year-1,2,3 network and disinfected all the accounts on the network server by hand. Ouch.

    There were basically 3 ways the virus could be activated:
    • typing any '*' command (eg: "*.", which gave you a directory listing. Sneaky, I thought, since the virus announced itself when you did a '*.' When you thought you'd beaten it, you'd do a '*.' to see if it was still there :-)
    • The events (keypress, network, disk etc.) all activated the virus, and also re-enabled the interrupts, if they had been disabled
    • The interrupts (NMI,VBI,..) all activated the virus, and also re-enabled the events, if they had been deactivated.


    We hadn't really counted on just how effective this was. Within a few days of the virus being cleansed (and everyone settling back to normal), it suddenly made a re-appearance again, racing through the network once more within an hour or two. Someone had put the virus onto their floppy disk (by typing *. on the floppy rather than the network) and had then brought the disk back into college and re-infected the network.

    If we thought authority was unamused last time, this time they held a meeting for the entire department, and calmly said the culprit when found would be expelled. Excrement and fans came to mind. Of course, they thought we'd just re-released it, but in fact it was just too successful for comfort...

    Since we had "shot our bolt", owning up didn't seem like a good idea. The only solution we came up with was to write another (silent, this time :-) virus which would disable any copy of the old one, whilst hiding itself from the users. We built in a time-to-die of a couple of months, let it go, and prayed...

    We had actually built in a kill-switch to the original virus, which would disable and remove it - we didn't want to be infected ourselves (at the start). Of course, it became a matter of self-preservation to be infected later on in the saga - 3 accounts unaccountably (pun intended :-) uninfected... It wasn't too hard to destroy the original by having the new virus "press" the key combination that deleted the old one.

    So, everyone was happy. Infected with the counter-virus, but happy. "Authority" thought they'd laid down the law, and been taken seriously (oh if they knew...) and we'd not been expelled. Everyone else lost their infections within a few months ...

    Anyway. I've never written anything remotely like a virus since [grin]

    Simon.

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    Physicists get Hadrons!
  65. Sounds like Windows Media Player by DrSkwid · · Score: 2, Funny

    It still runs code on a machine without the permission of the owner, and is therefore a virus.

    Or Gator.

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    There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
  66. A quick note by dtfinch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Although this looks like a great little worm, going after a nasty, poorly written worm, it effectively launches a DDOS attack against the real windowsupdate site, by downloading patches as it spreads at an exponentially increasing rate.

    1. Re:A quick note by valkraider · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How can it spread at an exponentially increasing rate, since once it "infects" it fixes the hole? Wouldn't it by it's very nature then spread quickly at first but then begin to slow? I hope they built some sort of "timeout" into it though, so that if it doesn't find any open machines within x amount of time it stops. Otherwise we'll have a million machines sitting around trying to find a bunch of machines that have already been patched.

  67. Where's the source? by Ryan+O'Rourke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd sure like to see the source of this new worm. How is anyone to know for sure that it's only intentions are good until a full analysis has been done?
    And if it is a "good virus" then why is it not open source? It should have nothing to hide, right?

  68. Re:SuperWorms by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In the case of Windoze, I do not mind. Windoze users gave up their freedom when they paid Big Brother Bill to lobby Washington to take away their freedom. But a few or even one individual controlling the entire Internet and, by extrapolation, most if not all world communication: That is frightening.

    Sorry you have such contempt for others that don't choose the same OS as you do.

    In response to your comments about super worms...

    One thing that is coming from Microsoft is a Layer 7 filter with a simple user confirmation interface to augment the firewall for incoming and outgoing traffic.

    It has the possibility to virtually remove any worm threat to Windows.

    I hope other OSes will follow suit and make Layer 7 filtering a standard feature on the desktop and not just in server environments providing routing and caching.

  69. Re:Worm from Microsoft? by kemikalzen · · Score: 2, Funny

    More likely, Microsoft wrote the original MSBlaster worm, after all the code was amateurish and had serious bugs

  70. The question is, have you popped someone else's? by stewby18 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously, this isn't the equivalent of popping a zit. A much better parallel would be an armed group, going around and popping the zits of everyone they encountered while holding them at gun/knife point.

  71. Article in Seattle P-I by wytcld · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Seattle Post-Intelligencer, in an article on this, reports that "public safety systems in Seattle don't use Windows software." Talk about not recognizing a prophet in his home town....

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    "with their freedom lost all virtue lose" - Milton
  72. Computer, Heal Thyself.... by Hallowed · · Score: 2, Funny
    Why doesn't M$ release patches that do this??? Hmmmmmm.....

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    2. Do not eat iPod shuffle.

  73. Less aggressive idea by petwalrus · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Wouldn't it be an excellent idea for someone to set up a counter-attack program which is essentially a virus listener which responds only when it recieves the infection string from the Blaster virus, at which time it will reverse DNS the incoming address, then start sending out conter-attack packets to that machine, which will uninstall the Blaster virus, and turn that machine into a counter-attack node.

    This has the benefit of lowering the overall amount of traffic that is broadcast, and /.'ers would be happy to run these servers and eventually the viruses spread would logarithmically decay.

    I am of assuming that there is some way to re-infect a already infected machine with new code. This may or may not be possible.

  74. WTF? by vandan · · Score: 2

    Spoiled sports!
    Exactly what kind of cracker writes stuff like this?

  75. Why does the anti-worm have to spread the same way by weave · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Why does this anti-worm have to seek out new hosts to infect? Can't it just sit and listen for an attack from an infected host, then grab the source IP and then go attack and clean that host?

    If it did that, eventually it would self-kill all infected hosts until the few that remained can't find anyone else to infect.

    Might make a good math exercise. As a host is cleaned and listens for attacks, it cleans other hosts, then those hosts also assume vigilante role. Eventually you'd have less and less infected hosts searching for victims and more and more former victims waiting to be found. I would expect the count of infected hosts to reach zero at some point, given that the method to find new hosts is random enough. Question is, how many events would have to occur to reach zero!

  76. Terminator 4 - Rise of the worms by EqualSlash · · Score: 2, Funny
    Terminator(Nachi) has arrived to terminate the evil MSBlaster Worm.
    "Removal of W32/Lovsan.worm.a The worm also looks for and removes W32/Lovsan.worm.a from an infected system. It achieves this by targeting MSBLAST.EXE. (The process is terminated if running on the victim machine.)"
    Asta la vista baby !
    "Self removal:
    When the system clock reaches Jan 1, 2004, the worm will delete itself upon execution."
    It Will be Back !
  77. Lookie here by whelck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ICMP traffic -http://isc.sans.org/images/icmpfp.png FYI - that Source range the looks like it's generating the traffic seems to exist in the 141.211 - 141.213 range -- University of Michigan...

  78. Try 1,300,000 pings per minute! by dmeranda · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On my linux firewall guarding a company network I was seeing way over 1 million ping packets per minute at one point! I'd call that a DDoS attack! From the inside out.

    For those with Linux firewalls, try the following iptables rules to rate limit those ping packets:

    # CREATE A NEW TABLE
    iptables -N ping_throttle

    iptables -A ping_throttle \
    -m limit -p limit --limit 10/sec -j RETURN

    iptables -A ping_throttle -j DROP

    # PUT IN FORWARD CHAIN (echo request and reply)
    iptables -I FORWARD 1 \
    -m icmp -p icmp --icmp-type 8 -j ping_throttle

    iptables -I FORWARD 1 \
    -m icmp -p icmp --icmp-type 0 -j ping_throttle