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BSDCon '03 Nearly Here (OpenBSD 3.4, Too)
An anonymous reader writes "Pre-orders for the OpenBSD project's latest release, 3.4, are now being taken. This release will ship around November 1st. Significant enhancements have been made in this release, including i386 switch to ELF executable format, further W^X improvements for i386, ld.so on ELF platforms now loads libraries in a random order for greater resistance to attacks, inclusion of a static bounds checker to the compiler for basic checks on functions which accept buffers and sizes, strcpy/strcat function audit to replace with safer strlcpy/strlcat, ProPolice stack protection in the kernel, further manual page cleanups, large number of bug fixes and optimizations to the packet filter (PF) including packet tagging, stateful TCP normalization, passive OS detection, SYN proxy, and adaptive state timeouts, and many other improvements to the rest of the system.
Order a CD from the OpenBSD store. Ordering a CD helps support the project, as a bonus you get cool stickers, artwork, and an audio track!"
The same reader sent links to more information on this release, including new features, and the changelog between 3.3 and 3.4.
Will that hot FreeBSD devil babe be there?!
I can't wait for new OpenBSD music!
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Mathematics will always come back to hunt you down, in so many ways
The technical sessions start on September 10th, so there's still lots of time to register and book plane tickets.
Speaking of the 10th... I'd better start working on my slides.
Tarsnap: Online backups for the truly paranoid
I keep hearing that FreeBSD has a kickass filesystem. Is it more reliable than ext[2|3]? Because frankly, I think Linux filesystem is not all that great. I noticed that when I download a lot of files at the same time, like say with ncftp, netscape and wget all saving data to the same disk at the same time, I invariably end up with serious filesystem issues at the next fsck (and yeah, I use ext3, but you still have to fsck it to fix duplicate/corrupt inodes).
So anyway, how does FreeBSD's filesystem stack up against Linux?
Tell me you don't want BSD on your laptop now.
Further persuasion available here. This is definitely +1 Interesting material to any heterosexual male. Mod me down if you are the sendmail author or otherwise uninterested.
is ximian compatability.
Any linux related (binary compat in this case) that wants to move or shake should investigate ximian compatability....
I for one welcome out new ximian overlords.
Imagine a schimick GUI interface, FreeBSD underneath, all you'd need is a cheese grater aluminum case......
Will soon be widly placed on desktops... I think that's a bit much very premature. So far it's still Windoze, and the hype is Linux, so I think *BSD won't grow that much on the desktop market. Although I would like to see much more articles on using *BSD for the regular consumers. In the meantime *BSD will keep the important parts of the internet running. Oh, and no *BSD is dying comments please. It's getting really old and tired to hear that from close minded people...
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Replacement of GNU diff(1), diff3(1), grep(1), egrep(1), fgrep(1), zgrep(1), zegrep(1), zfgrep(1), gzip(1), zcat(1), gunzip(1), gzcat(1), zcmp(1), zmore(1), zdiff(1), zforce(1), gzexe(1), and znew(1) commands with BSD licensed equivalents.
... other than the licensing issues ?
Anyone know why OpenBSD is removing GNU tools
when will the next song be out? http://openbsd.rug.ac.be/ftp/pub/OpenBSD/songs/ i don't see it there yet...
Please don't go to either of these, and if you already are - come back now. I hear there is a good change of dying at either of these two conventions.
Sounds too good to be true. I wish there would be similar stuff in Europe. But unluckily, I haven't found anything like this at this side of the Atlantic. Only things that come to my mind are targeted to corporate type of people, who can pay - let's say $1000 and more for a weekend for absolutely "nothing", like Kevin Mitnick's keynote.
Anyways, you guys have fun!
Oh, and she actually is not so hot at all, but who cares.....geek-babes are rare enough...;oP
1. No sig. 2. ???? 3. Profit!!!
Oh, and she actually is not so hot at all
Speak for yourself. Some people think she's hot.
I hope so. Dust off the red daemon suit and get packing! For the few who don't know who Ceren is... nevermind, everyone knows who Ceren is!
Make a superior version from the freely available codebase and refuse to release the modifcations back to the Community.
Inspire competition, the community creates a superior program to the corporation, etc etc. This cycle has been going on for a very, very long time.
Some of us are OK with sharing, even if it means someone else might make money off of it.
Your post is here. It is not deleted. You can find it on the main page just above the capital-letter "article summary" and below the "removing some utilities" comments.
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There are two types of people: those who are in the world, and those who aren't.
Remember, with OpenBSD the focus is on correctness and keeping the codebase free of bugs. Making drastic changes in areas where those changes are not absolutely necessary undermines that focus.
I haven't seen 3.3 or 3.4, but 3.2, which is barely a year old, still runs BIND 4. The current version of BIND is 9. This gives you some idea of how the OpenBSD team things.
FWIW, other versions of OpenBSD have switched to ELF. I run OpenBSD 3.2 on a SparcStation, and a quick "file /etc/ksh" reveals ksh to be "ELF 32-bit MSB executable, SPARC, version 1". I guess testing the system on obscurer platforms has paved the way for it to be released on the more dominant architecture.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
deadly.org, which was previously the premiere place for OpenBSDers to learn and communicate has now disabled comments completely. Comments, 90% from intelligent and informed users, happened to be the highlight of the site, but now it's all over because the admins are very unhappy about a pair of trolls, and aren't willing to do anything anti-troll. instead, they shut the door completely.
/. has EVERYTHING working against it... VERY infrequent stories, few commenters, even fewer informed commentors, and nearly as many trolls as BSDers.
So, I wonder if anyone here knows of another site that will take-over? BSD-specific, with knowledgable users, and plenty of comments... BSDforums has a large number of factors working against it, keeping it from becomming anything really good, so rule that one out.
The BSD section here at
Any suggestions?
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
Are the BSDs working on this? It seems it would be a "good thing," since most of the cracks hope to smash the stack and execute some mal-code. Solaris may have had this feature, but not sure.
-Rock
yeah, like i'm going to fork out $50 for a better grep. i'm pretty happy with the free one i have now.
Fact: *BSD trolls are dying.
Hey, I guess Sun has been busy writing drivers for x86 Solaris. :D .. ahrm
Really, well hot dang if I had know that the OpenBSD 3.4 cd's didn't include all that other stuff that is advertised on it (you know the OpenBSD operating system) I wouldn't have pre-ordered this $50 three cd copy of a BSD licienced grep... Thanks for the heads up, I owe you one.
Grr sorry bout that... Thats what I get for reading slashdot at 1...
I haven't seen 3.3 or 3.4, but 3.2, which is barely a year old, still runs BIND 4. The current version of BIND is 9. This gives you some idea of how the OpenBSD team things.
BIND 9 (with patches) was included in OpenBSD 3.3.
The work that needed to be done to switch i386 to ELF has been ready for a long time. But doing such a switch is a huge pain for the developers and users, so it was delayed for as long as possible. Same thing was with other architectures. alpha switched to ELF when the alpha port was almost dead and was violently revived by redoing lots of code and completly changing everything. sparc switched to ELF after a bug was discovered in how the dynamic linker worked. The dynamic linker didn't map the code segments executable which didn't really work after the kernel was taught to honor the executability bit on memory mappings (that was done to get non-exec stack). And i386 swichted because that was the only way to get proper non-exec stack. OpenBSD does big disruptive changes only when it's really necessary and when those changes come, all disruptions are clustered thightly.
You troll initially, respond AC to your own post, and troll in the reply to your AC post. I've been ignoring that "Have you meta-moderated lately?" message, but time to head right on over...
Want to improve your Karma? Instead of "Post Anonymously", try the "Post Humously" option.
I've never quite understood how the BSD people can think they've got freedom when their work may be locked down and stolen by a corporation any time.
You don't understand the BSD license. It's impossible to steal something that's given freely. BSD has been such a seminal influence precisely because the code can be "stolen". That's the intent.
Besides, AT&T did try to steal (in the "you can't use it anymore" sense of the word) BSD's code. They lost.
If he thinks separating from the protection granted by GPL will further the survivability of OpenBSD, he's seriously mistaken.
BSD predates the GPL.
When someone might yell at me, it has to be OpenBSD.
Actually, I found FreeBSD very easy to install the first time, and also very fast to install.
I was surprised at the speed in which I had FreeBSD/KDE running. Much faster than a Windows 2000 install. Not to mention installing a simple web/ftp/nfs server.
That was what I was looking for at that time, a server set up in 5 minutes instead of at least half an hour.
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Significant enhancements have been made in this release, including i386 switch to ELF executable format, further W^X improvements for i386...
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Yes, but what *I* want to know is whether the BSD babes are going to be there.
Mmmm. Mondo cleavage and red latex!
"No problem. I have the capacity to do infinite work so long as you don't mind that my quality approaches zero."-Dilbert
I agree with evilpiper, that post is a good example of closed minded people. Maybe it's just too much to ask of people to give everyone their right to use whatever OS/program they want instead of dissing them.
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This part bugs me everytime I see it... how about changing "Emacs Lite" to MicroEmacs next time?
How about forking a few hundred times more for a version of sort ? :)
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I notice that the keynote speaker is Michi Henning, and he is delivering the "Computing Fallacies" talk again, presumably in an updated form.
/. previously, it might be interesting for an attendee to take notes so that we can compare with last time. Does he believe things have improved, or not, and why?
Since this very presentation was discussed on
There is a new Tshirt: 3.4 Tshirt $20 or for Europe EUR 20
The new 3.4 poster is very nice too, get it for $10 US or EUR 14 in Europe
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thank you.
people like you are the cancer of the Internet, just like spammers. actually read what the person in the previous most was saying. it is mostly true. he/she seemed to hit a nerve with you at least, you responded. i find it funny that a troll is telling someone else to fuck off and die, you have got it backwards buddy. you have nothing good to say about the subject at hand (bsd), so your presence is not welcome. i actually feel a bit sorry for you that your life is so sad, this is all you have. you seem to feel insecure or threatened by other operating systems besides your own. seek professional help. you can express what ever you want, but there is a right time and place, which you are having trouble understanding.
I will mourn the passing of BSD.