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Distributed Computing and Climate Change
GraWil writes "The BBC are reporting the launch of climateprediction.net. The aim of the project is to investigate the approximations that have to be made in state-of-the-art climate models which frequently give rise to inconclusive predictions. More info on the current state of climate modeling is given by the latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report which highlights the need to quantify uncertainties of climate projections. So now, in addition to finding ET or curing cancer, your PC can now contribute to our understanding of climate change."
Windows Server 2003 doubles active sites since July; 5% were previosuly running Linux
Windows 2003 continues to increase in total hostname and active sites, with the number of active sites growing 109% to 185K since July 2003.
Notably, the number of sites switching from Linux has proportionately kept pace since July when many commentators thought the 5% of sites switched to Windows 2003 from Linux was an aberration.
And dont tell me that there are more Linux boxes switching from Windows, because we have never heard this news before.
Actually, it seems now that the Great Linux Hype wagon has had the wheels come off...
No Linux version for "months." How about folding at home for those of you disappointed masses.
The heat from running these distributed computing apps causes climate change inside my apartment.
Seems like a no-brainer to me.
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I think all these Linux open sores hippies with all their old shitty hardware are contributing to cliamte change by using extra power for a useless computer that doesn't work right. It isn't any fun to burn fossil fuels in order to wait 15 minutes for Mozilla to open or fumble around uselessly in vi or watch happy happy fun seg faults.
Really? What do you think these laid-off chip designers are gonna do when they get back to Chennai? Sell trinkets to tourists?
MYTH #3: "R&D jobs don't go overseas. Hell, they don't even leave the US east and west coast, for the most part."
REALITY:
- GE Corporate Research in Bangalore and Shanghai
- HP Opens New Research Center in Singapore
- HP Bangalore Research
- IBM India Research Center
- IBM China Research Center
- Microsoft Research Beijing
MYTH #4: "If you're truly working on something high-tech, today's high-tech, you'll never have to worry about your job moving."REALITY: Per nasscom.org, "A recent study on the biotech market by business intelligence firm, Ernst & Young, has shown that India has the potential to become a leading hub of biotech projects. Indian companies have the capability to enter segments such as manufacturing biogenerics, contract research services, clinical trials and even areas such as bio-informatics."
MYTH #5: "Ultimately, what xenophobes need to realize is that writing shitty code doesn't make anyone "high-tech." You're no more entitled to an inflated salary than the auto workers who saw their work moved overseas - if someone with no education can do your job cheaper, you don't deserve your job."
REALITY: "Accenture in India has also been moving into front office work such as doing clinical data management for its pharma clients. Accenture's pharma team here, which consists of doctors, dentists and biologists, analyses data from tests and helps its pharma client to gain `time-to-market' advantage. "Normally, for a BPO, back office activities are the target, but we are beginning to spot opportunities in front office activities as well," Cole said."
I submitted this yesterday, but, whatever.
They claim it doesn't affect your own power - obviously it does - otherwise what are they gaining from it?
Comment: Yes I realise the username 'fuckfuck101' makes me sound intelligent, no you cannot buy it from me.
I'm not really sure what this has to do with climate prediction...lol.
however, I know you're fully aware that it says "total hostname and active sites," not webservers. The reason for that is that squatters (and that's all the increase is) tend to be MS kids - probably because squatting doesn't fit the OS community too well.
but I'm just a zombie due to it being 9am and me just getting home...you're just trolling and won't ever see this. lol
man, i did'nt know that distributed computing would cause climate change!
-- SouNerd.com
Here are some other ditributed computng projects.
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> Your PC can now contribute to our understanding of climate change.
And you can contribute to climate change itself too. Let's accelerate global warming by using 100% CPU at any time.
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even morons can tell which weigh the WINd is bullowing.
.compliant. if you think that you are already compliant, & it's somebody else, consider this a chance to rat them out, to gain re-admission to the onLIEn wwwhirled again, (c SourceForgerIE(tm) all rights reserved, you have none).
/.puppets.
.asp on that. when the lights come up, there'll be no going back, & no where to hide.
coming soon to/already on, yOUR desktop/network?:
Due to excessive bad posting from this IP or Subnet, comment posting has temporarily (or permanently, if we could figure out how to do it) been disabled. If it's you, consider this a chance to sit in the timeout corner. If it's someone else, this is a chance to hunt them down. If you think this is unfair, we don't care.
alert: you've been lax in yOUR payper liesense 'upgrades', you're out.
alert: there's a rumour that you've been badmouthing/lowrating the corepirate nazis, & the naykid furor of the felonious kingdumb, you're out.
alert: looks like yOUR kids have been listening to music again, you're out.
alert: although you appear to be browsing regularly, you've failed to make a purchase recently, you're out.
consider this a chance to stare at your monitor screen, & plan how you can become
etc... lookout bullow. these foulcurrs haven't a clue yet, as to what J. Public can do, once he's peaced off. they live in a tiny wwworld, consisting of only their owned greed/fear based goals. they should get ready to see the light.
we're building a vessel that floats on almost any suBStance.
as to the newclear power/planet/population rescue initiative:
it's all free (as in survival), & available immediately to you/all of US.
as you can maybe already see, yOUR survival/success is not the least bit dependent on the gadgets/combinations of the greed/fear based corepirate nazis, & their phonIE ?pr? ?firm? buyassed
consult with/trust in yOUR creator. more breathing. vote with yOUR wallet (somtimes that means not buying anything, a notion previously unmentioned buy the greed/fear/war mongers). seek others of non-aggressive/positive behaviours/intentions. stop wasting anything/being frivolous. that's the spirit.
investigate the newclear power plan. J. Public et AL has yet to become involved in open/honest 'net communications/commerce in a meaningful way. that's mostly due to the MiSinformation suppLIEd buy phonIE ?pr? ?firm?/stock markup FraUD execrable, etc...
truth is, there's no better/more affordable/effective way that we know of, for J. to reach other J.'s &/or their respective markets.
the overbullowned greed/fear based phonIE marketeers are self eliminating by their owned greed/fear/ego based evile MiSintentions. they must deny the existence of the power that is dissolving their ability to continue their self-centered evile behaviours.
as the lights continue to come up, you'll see what we mean. meanwhile, there are plenty of challenges, not the least of which is the planet/population rescue (from the corepirate nazi/walking dead contingent) initiative.
EVERYTHING is going to change, despite the lameNT of the evile wons. you can bet your
we weren't planted here to facilitate/perpetuate the excesses of a handful of Godless felons. you already know that? yOUR ONLY purpose here is to help one another. any other pretense is totally false.
pay attention (to yOUR environment, for example). that's quite affordable, & leads to insights on preserving life as it should/could/will be again. everything's ALL about yOUR motives.
that old tune title (hope we don't get 'busted' for using it) "make the world go away", takes on new/varied meaning in these times.
the prevalent notion that 'everything will be taken care of' without yOUR knowledge/participation is insidiously misleading.
in our estimation, the biggest 'threat' against US (aside from continuing t
I'm a SETI and Folding user, but I have to say that I find this project very compelling. We know that cancer is serious, and there are big businesses looking to find answers. The question of climate change is potentially more serious, in my opinion. But we need to find out for sure
- Working Group I - IPCC Report on Climate Change, 2001
Regardless of the data, a lot of people will only see this issue through the prism of their preconceived political agendas. I'm not against good data, far from it, but this is such a highly charged subject I'd like to know if they are going to be completely open about the data and the methods applied to it. That MIGHT help.
When it comes to "studies" about climate change, the first thing one should ask is what is the political agenda behind those conducting the "study". Climate studies are highly charged with politics. Some studies have been rigged to exhibit a predetermined outcome. Before you waste your CPUs and BTUs, try to verify that the study is honest and objective, and without political slant one way or the other. You want to contribute to science, not propoganda.
or are you just glad to be calling in a forecast?
be careful the enemIE doesn't locate you/US, & revoke yOUR liesense.
dark daze ahead. followed by a light/unlimited power, such as has never been known to humankind.
get ready to see the light. bring yOUR family/friends.
To me it sounds like they allready have come to the conclusion that there is a climate change.
Supporting scientist that allready are political biased is "dead in the water".
I would'nt be surprised if they are supported by some lobby group that wants the world to turn back time.
And what about the environmental impact of running tens of thousands of computers for this prohect?
Did they think about that?
In the end this is something that will hurt many businesses and destroy our fragile industry. In the end the industry have to reloacte to some third world country and pollute more there instead. So before you devot your computer to this project, please think about the through the consequences and someone please think about the children and the world we want them to live in.
When I was a kid we did not have the luxery to devote expensive cpu-cycles to climate change, all we could do was to recyle some paper and garbage. Why should anyone be politically forced to more than that?
Proud patriot and republican voter.
yeah, right, accuse US of screwing things up, even the weather. you must be some kind of terrorist sympathizer, or something even worse.
if you don't want to volunteer some forecasts, then take your sniveling whining complaints somewhere else.
just kidding.
I think half of their servers are slashdotted. I've downloaded okay, registered okay (even though it said I didn't) but my machine does not want to believe I've registered.
:-( (obligatory ST:V quote here)
I've tried 9 times now, and the webpage thinks that my machine is 9 of the same name
I don't think they anticipated the load...
During all of this, the "check you can connect to our servers" test has been running fine.
couldn't be shrewder. the felonious corepirate nazis get to keep almost everIEthing they've stolen, & J. takes it in the .asp AGAIN. talk about cruelty to the faithful?
you ?know? J. Public et AL, isn't going to sit on his .asp whilst this execrable .continues?
Not that it would accomplish much besides the nostalgia factor.
Time is Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once... the bitch.
Please join the cancer project instead!!!
..my local weatherman is accurate most of the time in his 2 day forecast which is enough for me to decide to take the umbrella to work or not).
We need to cure cancer.
We'll worry about the weather later (we have decent tools already anyway
We need to cure cancer.
Climate change has a much wider affect than Cancer ever will. Droughts, heat waves, extreme temperature changes...All create disasters which far exceed the amount of people who die of cancer. France and parts of Europe is a prime example of this; they are having intense climate change. The U.S. is experiencing it with extreme drought in the west. Things are changing, and it's way beyond our comprehension. That's partly why it's so easy for some people to just shrug of climate change, and trust to God. Well, let me tell you, God isn't going to step in on this one. If we're stupid enough to create a global catastrophe, there's no one but ourselves who are going to have to save our asses (If that's even possible).
It's kind of like knowing that you have a 60% chance of rain tomorrow, and knowing that the rain will be as heavy showers and will blow through between 1:30 and 4:45 PM. The latter information is far more useful for planning your day than the former.
Time is Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once... the bitch.
As the Earth spins smoothly through outer space, the balance of raw weight determines rotation speed.
Now dam up the rivers all over the planet, such as the largest dam on Earth in China, and the hundreds of thousands of randomly placed dams all over the round globe-the balance alteration is causing the Earths rotation to literaly become out of balance.
Like a wobbly tire we hurl around the sun - wopwopwop.
Accordingly the climate readjusts and causes bizarre weather changes simply because of the correction process.
It may take a long time to balance itself out, in the meantime nations are unpredicatably affected.
If I find out the name of this waco water conspircy theorist commy liberal for even thinking such a far fetched unproven anti-semitic theory, I'll post it up.
Dave
Yeah! Linux zealot power all the way baby!
It looked good until I saw the filesize of the app. 7.5MB. Now, a lot of home users have fast computers but only have slow internet connections. A huge chunk of the potential market has already been lost because of the large filesize. Unfortunate, but true.
Master. Of. Climate. Control.
I've been running climateprediction.net as a beta tester for the last couple of months. My experiences with it so far have been good, running it on a PIII-733 and a AMD 1GHz Duron laptop. No major crashes or faults.
Compared to SETI each work unit takes forever. None of this one unit every 8 hours business, when they say it takes a committment they mean it, 90 days of 24/7 operation to finish one unit on the Duron, so I guess there is unlikely to be anyone hitting the 100,000 unit mark any time soon!
A bit about the program - The work unit itself is broken down into 3 segments. There's an upload of results so far at the end of each one and a daily connection to confirm how much cpu time you've used in the last day and what checkpoint you've reached. If you don't do this it doesn't ask, it just checks if you have a connection and if not waits until you do. The program check points every couple of minuutes but can roll back a bit if you reboot (not a huge amount but its not as frequent as SETI).
Overall I've had no problems with it apart from it crashing out of virtual memory once when I'd left it running without a network connection for 2 weeks.
please be aware that this is a commercial project
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http://www.climateprediction.net/misc/sponsors.ph
all of those companies SELL services based on this data, so iam sure they would very much like the public to do their work while they sit back and reap all this lovely free data, even the UK Goverments Met Office isn't free and if you would like weather data (like what its like in your area) you have to pay for it (unlike the USA which offers access to its data streams/imaging for free)
so go ahead if you want to donate your CPU to companies such as
" Risk Management Solutions (RMS) is the world's leading provider of products and services for the quantification and management of natural hazard risks."
then go right ahead, Me ? ill just keep looking for aliens thanks, at least mankind will benefit instead of a few shareholders in a faceless corporation.
Only 35 comments, and already the registration system is Slashdotted. Their loss. Not mine.
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Well--- if cow farts can cause global heating....why couldn't Amber(not her real name).
My take on all this is that I will contribute my CPU time to a project that is not receiving a great deal of funding and that will not make one large corporation rich. I would like to see cancer defeated as much as the next person, but there is plenty of money and research in that field.
I was just wondering if you can run two of these applications side-by-side? I briefly tried it out with SETI & Folding, and it seems that one runs at the expense of the other. Anyone try this out?
Either a bug in the registration process, or /. has hit hard again...
I'm in a Unix state of mind.
and they still can't tell me if it's going to rain today....
Gotta love it. Just another way of saying environmental science is the alchemy of the 22nd Century. Another way of saying it is: those models don't work becuase they are based on unscientific factors and a socialist agenda.
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I thought everyone already just absolutely knew (because Al Gore said so) that big time global warming was a fact and we have to do something NOW, except those mean nasty Republicans who are bought and paid for by the oil companies.
and was baffled as to why it was rejected.
I suppose now it will be duped?
Why not? Wait months until they finish the client... And again for a Mac client... Sounds stupid, doesn't it?
I predict the chance of inconclusive predictions today is 60%
Has anyone come up with a decent client program for any of these projects? I've been running distributed.net's RC5 client for years. Of all the projects I've tried, it's the only good program I've come across. It actually runs as a service with 0 priority, so it really does use unused cycles, unlike the screensavers which only work when you're away from your PC (and if you use a screensaver). Have the other programs gotten better, or are they the same as when I looked at them way back?
I care very much about climate change, but is this particular experiment worthwhile?
Is it well designed? Will the data be useful? Are the experimenters competent to make good use of the data?
More importantly, will this data be publicly available to other scientists, or am I donating to their private endeavor?
No offense to the experimenters -- it sounds like a great idea, but just because someone has a great idea and sets up a website doesn't mean they know what they're doing. I don't know anything about their sponsors, either (though I'm not in that business).
And at this rate of speed, it will finish the whole simulation in about ten days. Not bad for a 2.2 Ghz Athlon XP. Each person runs the entire simulation, not in parts, so it's the frequency of the simulation and the probabilities that they're after. Kinda neat.
A blog like any other.
See, all those jokes about overclocked Athlons contributing to global warming are now coming true.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
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Didn't Wolfram conclude this was impossible in his big fat tome?
[o]_O
Did someone imagine a distributed cluster all around the planet heating atmosphere to the point no one lives on the earth anymore?
What do you need to cool it? Oceans?
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So many people argue pro and con on the subject of blame. Is mankind to blame for recent changes?
Who cares!
I've no interest in what caused it except in that it may help us in dealing with the changes. If it's mankind's fault, if mankind is a contributing factor, or if it's simply a natural cycle we still don't understand doesn't matter.
What matters is to work on understanding what is happening (if anything, although I think that is rapidly becoming a statistically moot question) and then move on to what may be accomplished to deal with it.
If your in a burning house, it's not a big deal if it was caused by a meltdown of a coffeepot or the built-in smoke detector shorted out. What matters is putting the fire out or getting out of the house.
Ward
. Silence! Be thankful thy species is unpalatable! .
I used to work at a computer center
where we ran a lot of weather and
climate models. The state of
modelling is far more primitive
than most people think, even
people in the computing business.
We found that even slight changes to
initial conditions or, say, a 14th
decimal position difference (maybe
1 bit in a 64-bit floating-point
number) in calculations
caused the model to veer off
and produce completely different
outcomes.
It is unwise to rely on computer models
completely. A lot of different approaches
help, where a human integrates many
results and tries to come to a
conclusion.
Remember that programmers and
scientists can be lazy. They often use
the same code kernels over and over,
adding their own science to
the calculations.
Rumours on the forum are that it can be run under WineX or some such things, as well, of course, as VMWare.
There is no problem with running the model on Linux though, the model itself will run under any operating system with enough power, it was originally written for a Cray and is still used at the Met Office on Cray-like machines (specifically a a T3E, I think).
The model will (and does) currently run on Linux, quite happily, the problem with running CP.net on Linux is that the program used to control the model is currently windows only, as is the visualisation software.
As for running the model without the control program, there are two problems, the first is that the interface is....not good. It uses Fortran namelists for most of the non-compiled variables and input files with specifications that were dreamt up by Satan on LSD (It's always a good sign when the program itself doesn't follow the file specifications). The CP.net team have created a "virtual grad-student" (their words) which will look after your model and redo any calculations it needs, as well as deciding when to report back to CP.net and take a coffee break. Having sat waiting for the model to run/crash I wish I had a toy like that, even if I did have to make the coffee.
The second problem is that the model is balanced on a knife edge. There is a continuous battle between realistic physics (more complicated functions, shorter integration timesteps, slower model) and getting some work done (longer timesteps, simple physics, etc.). A part of this project will be to find out which parameters can be changed in such a way as to make the model fall over and become an ice planet or any of the other non physical but numerically feasible solutions.
It will take a long time to run each model, as the website says, but this is pretty much the simplest model which would produce a useful result, even on a 2.6Ghz Athlon you won't get more than about a day every six minutes (3 minutes for the atmosphere, 3 minutes for the ocean) for the full model, 50 years is 360*6*50 = 108000 minutes (75 days) on 24/7, luckily (?) a good portion of the models will fail before then, some will take longer as the results are checked if they look extreme. The real physical differences produced will only be a subset of the results from the experiment.
The model can go faster, e.g. a variation has been developed by the MetOffice where the Ocean model can runs upto 10 times faster than in the CP model, the main reason for this speed up? Iceland was deleted from the map :) (in terms of size, I think Ireland and the UK are next)
The data which will result in this project will hopefully be able to give a quantitative prediction of how bad things might get if we (say) double the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, it can tell us (=scientists) how likely it is that New York will be flooded or El Nino will shutdown. Whether or not the data will be 'open' is anybody's guess. Checking the sponsers, at least one of them is an insurance company that insures based on weather forecasts (good crop weather, flooding, etc.), I have little doubt about the commercial value of the data (c.f Cancer research programs).
As for the people who want access to the model source (and the source for the visualisation programs I guess). Are you completely out of your mind :) It's half a million lines of Fortran which has been written by many many people over about 10 years. Having access to the source in this case would benefit nobody. It only does 1 thing, model the climate. The atmosphere model has about 50 different options for the physics schemes, 10 different dynamical schemes and noise filtering options, all of which need to be set up properly to have any chance of working. The 'simple' ocean model has another load of options, then the 'complex' ocean model has another load of options, then there are multiple way to couple the atmosphere and ocean together. (Also, *shock horror*, it has bugs in it.)
I normaly budget 200W for a PC /wo a monster GPU. If I had modern hardware, I'd be budgeting a lot more, prob'ly in the neighborhood of 400W. I use the highest PC maximum plus uncertainty for budgeting. This is not the same as average PC maximum, but still, 50W/PC is awfull low. Using my method, plus a little uncertainty would result in:
100,000 PC would add less then 0.001 % to the anual CO2 production.
Even if the figures they mention are accurate, They do not include the amount of heat that is created by your CPU running 100% of the time. After running your CPU full throttle for 24 hours, put your hand behind the exhaust fan of you case and feel how warm the air is. Then realize how much harder your Air Conditioner is running, in order to keep your house cool.
Also, most PC's were never designed to be run 24/7 with 100% CPU utilization. I used to run the distribute.net's DES client and I lost of few hard drives because the internal case temperature was always hot.
I am not saying that you should not run these programs, but realize that your "FREE" cpu time does cost money in the long run.
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Climate change prediction looks too far into the future to cause ruined crops.
Also, most of the farming in developing countries are done for short term benefit (short enough for reelection). So predicting that eventually central africa will be desert won't do shit.
Socialist policies prevent these farms from being sold to private corporations who would be much more efficient at farming and producing food. And btw, farmers in developing countries are dirt poor and would gladly sell their farms and go into some other business like garments or small scale manufacturing but their govt.'s policies prohibit it.
To 2pac's body! That sure changed his climate!
I frankly fail to see the value in using disributed
computing in this domain as the real value in accurate
change models lay in the fact that you have to have
"good" algorithms and applications for predicting
with any degree of certainty what changes will take
place and when. Modeling is still inmature and just
throwing more cycles at the problem will not help to
overcome fundamental problems of scale, chemistry
and physics. I won't even talk about good software
engineering, which to most climate people is speaking
latin backwards.
Why are they gonna do all that stuff when a butterfly in california can change all the predictions?
Just out of wondering, but wouldn't this be a good use for Kazaa? Those computers with good internet connections might serve far better as communications hubs than as brute force processors.
Correct Horse Battery Staple: 72 bits of entropy. Enter "Correct H" into google. When it generates the phrase, that's
I know that there is an impression that a butterfly can change the predictions; that is due to a failure in our ability to model partial differential equations, combined with instability in local weather patterns.
That said, (1) We've come up with some major advances in our numeric PDE solutions and (2) Climate is not the same as local weather. Climate is quite possible stable, whereas local weather is instable.
Or in other words, we didn't get an ice age last year because my parrot squawked 3 years ago.
Correct Horse Battery Staple: 72 bits of entropy. Enter "Correct H" into google. When it generates the phrase, that's
You can see this kind of effect more directly with laptops running on batteries. I used to run the Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search on my work laptops, back when I was also commuting by train, and I had to turn it off during my commute or I'd run out of power. It also gradually killed the batteries' charge-holding capacity, and you could really tell that the machines weren't thermally designed for long-term continuous CPU usage.
Now, if you really want to heat up a room, a Vax 780 will work really well, and so will the tower models of Sun-3 :-)
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Watts is Watts is Watts is Watts. P = I * E. A loaded 100W PS in the US will use twice the current as a loaded 100W PS in the UK. Don't they teach basic electronics any more?
No, it isn't a commercial project.
The fact that public research can be funded with private funds is news to noone.
And in the Cancer grid experiment, do you think pharmaceutical companies are going to give the new medecines for free ?
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We fuck the world !
We fuck the children !
We fuck the world but we don't care !
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A famous american right-wing song.
It's a 7.5MB download, a 300byte "trickle" of stats per day (or whenver you're online) just to update where you're at in the model, and about a 6-7MB upload at the end of each experiment (say every 4 weeks).
Does the open source community have available, or the expertise to slap together an enormous climate model that has been used & verified for years? It would be nice, but I don't see one. The UK Met Office has allowed the use of their model, which has been developed & tested over years by many scientists; so that's the best game in town right now.
PS -- there's no "profit" out of this, the data will be available to scientists to use.