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New Microsoft Worm Coming Soon?

Seft sent in a solid article running on the BBC discussing the next potential worm explosion on the heels of a recent Security Bulletin from Microsoft. The article is a somewhat general topic piece on worms in general.

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  1. The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by RobertB-DC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the article:
    US computer security firm iDefense discovered the code being circulated from Chinese websites. It said some computers were already being broken into using the new exploit code.

    This puts a bit of a different spin on the previous story, in which Taiwan accused China of organizing a cyber-attack. I think this validates the position that Taiwan's government was simply disseminating a little cross-channel FUD... there may indeed be Chinese hackers trying to break into Taiwanese systems, but they're doing it on an ad-hoc basis, not as part of a government-sponsored attack.

    Think about it... you're a hacker in mainland China, and you want to attack someone. Do you go after your own government? Only if your family doesn't mind paying for the bullet when you're convicted of espionage. Much safer to hit a country that your government wouldn't mind giving a black eye?

    Hackers in China... hey, it looks like China is the new Russia!

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    1. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by ramzak2k · · Score: 4, Interesting

      does this have anything to do with Microsoft opening up its code to China ?

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    2. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by caluml · · Score: 5, Insightful
      To be honest, I hope it just trashes boot sectors before writing random crap all over the hard drive. That might actually get the message through. All these soft viruses just make people think of it as an inconvenience. When something bad happens, people might just start sitting up and taking notice.

      Mod me down, troll/flamebait, I know.
      However, mod me up if you feel that this might make people start patching their systems.

    3. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by IM6100 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A worm/virus that trashes it's host doesn't do a good job of propagating. These sorts of programs can do so at a 'time bomb' setpoint, if the designer feels the virus/worm will have propagated widely by that time, of course.

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    4. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by bigjocker · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Now that you mention it, probably.

      It's a lot easier to write a worm having the Windows' source code available. This bug came from China, and Microsoft has sent the source code to China ... maybe they should start looking for the Blaster writer over there ...

      Also, the last attack agains Taiwan by some chinese crackers may have something to do with this. Maybe Microsoft was right when they said that it would be a major security risk to publish the Windows source code.

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    5. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by The_K4 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm waiting for the virus taht cause Windows XP to believe that it's not "activated" and cause hunders of thousnds of people to call to re-activeate their OS. :) Talk about DDoSing them. :)

    6. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by RobertB-DC · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm sort of Buddhist, although I'm not so sure about Confucius. I ought to fit in, more or less.

      Hmmm... I think you'd better check the first few paragraphs of the link I found for my original posting. Or, just pin a note to your back saying "Persecute Me".

      You made a good point, though:
      Remember the "one child" policy? Well, all those little princes are growning up.

      Yeah, and they don't have many princesses to marry. The one-child policy led to a very suspicious decrease in the number of baby girls, so we now have a lot of young men with no way to get a wife. I think it looks something like this:

      1. Excess male population
      2. ???
      3. Conquest!

      where ??? = [War | Prosperity], and Prosperity isn't looking like the most likely choice.

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    7. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Marcus+Brody · · Score: 5, Funny
      True. It would have to run for x hours, trying to infect other hosts before "delivering its payload".
      What would be a good value for x?


      X would clearly be PC dependent for optimum worm spread. An obvious thing would be to deliver the fatal payload after the infection had spread to, say, 15 other PC's. This would cause exponential spread until the number of vulnerable machines became limiting.

      But thats *boring*. A much more twisted & evil thing to do would be to deliver a payload at a mission-critical point. For example, after MS Word had been used excessively over a few days, and the word CONCLUSION was typed in.

      /maniacal evil genius laugh/

    8. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by RobertB-DC · · Score: 4, Funny

      Go further down the rabbit hole. Ask yourself if China is this bad AND has nuclear weapons why was Iraq invaded while China's a preferred trading status country?

      I just happen to have a TRS-80 Level II Basic program in front of me:

      10 Data "China", "yes", "yes", "Iraq", "yes", "no"
      20 Read Country$, Bad$, Nuke$
      30 If Bad$ = "yes" then Print "We must deal with "; Country$
      40 If Bad$ = "yes" and Nuke$ = "no" then Print "Invade Evil "; Country$; "!!!"
      50 If Bad$ = "yes" and Nuke$ = "yes" then Print "We will constructively engage "; Country$; " with trade."
      60 GOTO 20

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    9. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Coryoth · · Score: 2, Insightful
      To be honest, I hope it just trashes boot sectors before writing random crap all over the hard drive. That might actually get the message through. All these soft viruses just make people think of it as an inconvenience. When something bad happens, people might just start sitting up and taking notice.


      To be honest, that sort of worm isn't the one I would be worried about. The silent killer is going to be much more nasty, and it's a matter of time before somebody writes one (if they haven't already).


      Consider this for a possibility: A worm that just sits quietly on the system. It does nothing obvious that would get it noticed by users. Once a day it finds a random Excel spreadsheet. It opens the spreadsheet and picks a random cell. It alters the value of that cell by 10%.


      Lets hope no one is actually stupid or arrogant enough to try crap like that (but given humanity, realistically it's a matter of time)


      Jedidiah

    10. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by HiThere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The worst would probably one that was totally inconspicuous, but occasionally doubled or halved a dollar amount. (And it would be really nice in Excel.)

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    11. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by austad · · Score: 3, Funny

      In communist China, the viruses write you!

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    12. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by paj1234 · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Even if you do learn to speak correct English, whom are you going to speak it to? -- Clarence Darrow

      Friend, you mean, "Even if you do learn to speak correct English, to whom are you going to speak it? -- Clarence Darrow"

    13. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Isomer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      True. It would have to run for x hours, trying to infect other hosts before "delivering its payload".

      What would be a good value for x? When the critical mass has been infected obviously.

      You can take the payload and split it up into "n" smaller chunks, then infect "n" initial machines with your virus each with only a small part of the payload. Then every time a virus infects a new host it splits it's payload in half until it's down to one byte/bit/whatever, then it just copies it's payload. When it finds another machine thats already infected, they both give each other their own payload.

      If the other side have data that conflicts with your own, throw theirs away to prevent poisoning

      So when there are lots of hosts to infect around the world, the payload gets split up, but it's not until almost all the machines are infected that the payload starts being reassembled.

      If the payload is encrypted in such a way that you need the entire payload to decrypt the entire thing, then Antivirus researchers can't tell what the payload is going to do before it actually occurs.

      You probably want to make sure that there are multiple copies of the initial data in case machines get cleaned that contain the only copy of one bit or so.

      We need to organise things like automated detection of abnormal network activity, and some kind of automated way to slow down (but perhaps not stop -- you're not sure if it is an actual virus) the flow of virulent activity.

      A technique like this could be used for something like Freenet to hide information until everyone has the information, then release it.

    14. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Nintendork · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The assholes that wrote the exploit are one step above talentless script-kiddies. The hole is just a buffer overrun and the patch gives away exactly where it is. All they had to do was write code that stuffs the buffer, pushing executable code into another memory area.

      It's funny that you mention that it would be easier to hack the OS with the source code available. That's exactly why the chances of a zero-day exploit are higher on open source software than closed source. *OUCH*

      -Lucas

    15. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by innosent · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's exactly why the chances of a zero-day exploit are higher on open source software than closed source. *OUCH*

      You've got a good point, except that it also means that someone can notice the problem and fix it. Besides, given the recent string of M$ security holes, wouldn't it be easier to just start throwing strings at all the services until one crashes? If throwing random data at a service crashes it, it's probably a good bet that there's another buffer overflow there. Apparently Microsoft doesn't seem to find bounds checking to be important. Maybe they should write Longhorn in Ada (actually, that might not be a bad idea). Hell, if you're going to write bloatware anyways, why not start with the most bloated language? (Don't get me wrong, Ada is a great language, but the standard library is rediculously large).

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  2. In other news... by brotherscrim · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Scientists predict the sun will rise tomorrow.

    1. Re:In other news... by ramzak2k · · Score: 4, Funny

      "...Scientists predict the sun will rise tomorrow."

      I live in the east cost, insensitive clod !

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    2. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      I live in the east cost, insensitive clod !

      Apparently the hurricane situation is much worse then I had imagined, if your living in the east coast.

  3. Worm's Target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    on the heals of a recent Security Bulletin from Microsoft

    Apparently, the worm infects the user's grammar-checker, rendering it inoperable.

    1. Re:Worm's Target by RobertB-DC · · Score: 5, Funny

      I tried it in M$ Word, and here's what Clippy told me:

      . . . explosion on the heals of a recent Security Bulletin...
      Clippy: Order of Words (consider revising)

      Applying typical Slashdot editorial standards, I tried this:

      . . . explosion on heals the of a recent Security Bulletin...
      Clippy: Order of Words (consider revising)

      Crap, let's try again.

      . . . explosion on heals of the a recent Security Bulletin...
      Clippy: Remove "the" or "a"

      I think we got it:

      Seft sent in a solid article running on the BBC discussing the next potential worm explosion on heals of the recent Security Bulletin from Microsoft. The article is a somewhat general topic piece on worms in general.
      Clippy: turns into a bicycle and rides into the distance

      Alright! Let's post!

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    2. Re:Worm's Target by morcheeba · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apparently Microsoft security bulletins are a faith-healer type religious experience... almost like an exorcism where the sysadmin slaps the computer on the forehead and says "demons be gone".

  4. The thing is... by Meat+Blaster · · Score: 3, Insightful
    We've had plenty of warning about this, so it's only the criminally unprepared that will be hit right?

    No excuse on this one. It's not like Blaster happened eons ago, and this is virtually the same type of flaw. Patch your systems.

    1. Re:The thing is... by whereiswaldo · · Score: 3, Insightful


      * Someone mod this guy up - it's no troll.

      I think its a crock of shit that patches to Windoze require you to agree to things that you didn't when you originally bought the operating system. Make it the same as a car recall, where the responsibility and liability falls squarely on Microsoft to fix a defective product at their expense, not ours.

      What you're saying makes complete sense. The fact that it is legal for Microsoft to change the agreement they have with the end user just because the user is trying to keep their system up to date is outrageous.

      I believe a number of the security flaws (including Blaster) can be averted by using firewall software to block all ports except those you need (eg. the RPC port).

      I love it that all the Linux boxes I take care of haven't had a lick of problem since they've been set up. Blaster came and went and they didn't need any updates or reboots. Just glorious.

    2. Re:The thing is... by whereiswaldo · · Score: 2, Informative

      You are thinking of service packs. Patches don't have EULA's. And if you are that paranoid you should switch to Linux and stop bitching.

      Service Packs and Patches are the same thing: They provide updates to your software. Microsoft can call them whatever they want. They will always be patches.

      To your last comment: I have switched, almost at 100% now with that as my goal.

  5. Thank goodness... by dillon_rinker · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...that the next worm explosion heals the recent Microsoft Security Bulletin. That will be a welcome change, coming on the heels of the last big Microsoft worm.

  6. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So more companys like Air Canada can get hit and blame it on the worm makers, yet never blame it on there stupid IT department that had three weeks to patch the system and never did.

    1. Re:Great by El · · Score: 2, Insightful
      And despite the fact that kevlar vests have been out for years, people are still being killed or injured by being shot in the chest, and they still blame it on the shooters! Amazing!


      Maybe, just maybe, the IT department was too busy reseting passwords every time a user forgot their password to patch thousands of systems? Or perhaps their managers refused to pay for the overtime that would be required because they beleived the M$ party line they their systems were now "Trustworthy Computing" secure?

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  7. 1993? by StingRayGun · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Malicious hackers are starting to circulate computer code that exploits recently found vulnerabilities"

    Starting? When was this article written 1993?

  8. New Microsoft Worm Coming Soon! by mogh1701 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Gee thats like say new windows security patch coming soon

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  9. New Worm 9.0! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    All my friends and family use Worm 9.0! It's easier than ever!

  10. Am i the only one? by madcoder47 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Am I the only one who noticed that the woman in the BBC Article's picture (directly above the "The MSBlast worm hit some users hard" Caption text) is using an old mac, and therefore, is not struggling with the MSBlast worm?

    The power button and display/contrast knobs on the side of the monitor give it away....

    Also, from the article: "But viruses that take advantage of new found flaws in the chunk of computer code exploited by MSBlast look set to arrive even sooner." -- Does this mean that even though microsoft cleaned up the code that was used by MSBlast as a backdoor, they still overlooked some code in the same region?

    1. Re:Am i the only one? by NanoGator · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Am I the only one who noticed that the woman in the BBC Article's picture (directly above the "The MSBlast worm hit some users hard" Caption text) is using an old mac,"

      The virus turns your PC into a Mac?! Now that's a creative way to hit users hard.

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  11. *Sigh* by r_glen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Its a shame the only people who read these articles are the ones who aren't affected in the first place.

    1. Re: *Sigh* by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Interesting


      > Its a shame the only people who read these articles are the ones who aren't affected in the first place.

      Nope, the rest of us will have our network service will be degraded due to all the worm traffic.

      ...at least until ISPs start kicking infected machines of the 'net, at which point we might actually see a network speedup.

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  12. Already Here by Fletch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to C|Net's News.com.com, two new woms have surfaced exploiting a 2 year old hole in IE 5.x.

  13. Where's the update? by lord_dragonsfyre · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Okay, I've read about three emails so far, plus this article, about this new security hole. So of course, I go to download the patch.

    And there is no patch. Headed to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com, hit Scan for Updates.... nothing shows under Critical Updates.

    Anyone know what's up with this?

    James.

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    1. Re:Where's the update? by jhoffoss · · Score: 4, Informative
      TechNet article: here.

      Patch: here. (For XP...this and the rest of the patches are also linked on the above page.)

      Scan tool: here.

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    2. Re:Where's the update? by Bourbonium · · Score: 5, Funny

      I believe this all refers to MS03-039, released on 9/10/2003. If you've updated your system since last Wednesday, you're protected and the patch won't show up as a Critical Update, because you've been scanned and MS has determined that you're already patched.

      Of course, if you're using Linux and you go to the Windows Update site, you won't find any critical updates for your system there either.

  14. New slashdot pattern: 3 articles per MS Virus/Bug? by alexmogil · · Score: 5, Funny
    So now there will be:

    A pre-worm article

    A current worm article

    And a post-worm article?

    Essentially three times the FUD, bashing, turfing, and... well, slashdot.

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  15. I think there's already something new going around by ncc74656 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My suspected-spam file had something like 50-60 new messages in it since last night. Except for one Nigerian-scam message, they all claimed to be security fixes from Microsoft (how original of them :-| ). I saved the attachment from one of them and let Nortan Antivirus take a look at it. It didn't identify any virus (even after updating signatures), but it has to be malware of some sort that just hasn't been cataloged yet.

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  16. Related? by Yoda2 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Not sure if it's related, but I've gotten this freaking thing about 10 times today. It's brand new and claims to be a Windows patch. I can easily see how a n00b would open it.

    Only the latest virus definitions catch this thing.

  17. Here they come.... by mgarriss · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Microsoft User

    this is the latest version of security update, the "September 2003, Cumulative Patch" update which fixes all known security vulnerabilities affecting MS Internet Explorer, MS Outlook and MS Outlook Express as well as three newly discovered vulnerabilities. Install now to maintain the security of your computer. This update includes the functionality of all previously released patches.
    I've received about 20 (with some variation) of these in the last few hours. Strange because SoBig ignored me for some reason.
  18. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually Sino-US relations have been constantly improving going all the way back to Nixon. Carter also did a lot to further relations. There are also plenty of US businesses operating in China (some of which have been mentioned on Slashdot in the past).

  19. And in other news... by fataugie · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Sun is scheduled to rise in the east tomorrow morning...

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  20. Curious. by Chompster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "US computer security firm iDefense discovered the code being circulated from Chinese websites."

    Chinese websites, as in from mainland China, or from Hong Kong?

    If it is Hong Kong; then perhaps it is the same fellows that run the bootleg operations. Oddly, it doesn't seem that the new Chinese rule has done anything to stop this. I guess crimes against the US and other world nations and their computer systems don't count for as much as saying that thuggish tyrants shouldn't rule.

    Mainland, on the other hand, would indicate something occuring directly under the pervue of China, and their 'government'.

    Neither is particular suprising or unusual, but these kind of folks usually get ignored for swapping copyrighted data and running illegal porn sites. I wonder if swapping viruses will put them on the criminal radar?

    Anyone have any information on this particular factoid? It would be interesting to know if these are HK or Mainland.

    Eh.

    -Chompster

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  21. What patch? by nlangille · · Score: 2, Funny

    Either MS is stupid and hasn't put up the patch for win2k pro yet, or I got this ages ago.

  22. the media... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think it's another blatant attempt by the media to instill fear in the public about the notion of another huge worm attack on people's computers. I guess the BBC wants credit for the "We said it here first people" catch phrase, then why not have the BBC post an article warning about "The countdown to the next Windows security hole has begun" (I'll start a pool to see who correctly date when a new security hole is found), or the next version update of the Apache webserver long before anyone else can or does, or the oh so coveted hacked webpage that will be coming soon ("The countdown to the next hacked webpage has begun". This reminds me of MSNBC's folly of accidentally posting the pre-made death articles of some high-profile celebrities and political figures.

    1.Ride on the General Public's Fear
    2.Feed the Fear
    3.?
    4.Profit!

  23. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by FileNotFound · · Score: 2, Funny

    Good to know.

    I'm sure GWBush is despreatly looking for an "evil nation" that can "bring it on".

    But then I find US and China having any kind of hostility highly unlikely.

    China exports so much to the US that they'd fall over backwards and cry if the US put on a trade embargo. No shots need to be fired.

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  24. Products NOT affected... by immel · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition (SE), and Windows 95 also are not affected by this issue." So we can save ourselves by downgrading to previous windows versions? Or is this just a shameless plug? "However, these products are no longer supported. Users of these products are strongly encouraged to upgrade to later versions." Yup. It's a plug for newer, even more vunerable software, alright.

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    1. Re:Products NOT affected... by calethix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I laughed when I read that

      "However, these products are no longer supported. Users of these products are strongly encouraged to upgrade to later versions."

      Does MS really expect the average Win95/98 user to read that and think 'Oh! I better go out and get me a copy of that Winders XP. It may have viruses and worms but at least I'll be supported.'

  25. Happy worms by GillBates0 · · Score: 3, Funny
    MSBlast many worms, which travel round the net by themselves, were happy simply to swamp net connections with traffic as they searched for new servers and computers to infect.

    Tra la la ...we're goin' 'round the good ole 'net.
    hey guys looky there, a new network let's swamp it, I say
    *swamp swamp swamp*
    ha ha ha ha ha ho ho ho ho ho hee he he he what fun!

    *happy singing*
    here we go around the good ole net
    good ole net
    good old net

    hi fellas, guess what I found! A nice clean M$ server
    Yaaaay!!!
    Here we go *infect infect infect*
    Haa ha ha ha ho ho ho ho hee hee hee hee What fun!

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  26. Praise for Auto-Update? by Houn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    After reading this article, I immediately checked WindowsUpate... only to find I installed this already a few days ago. This is the positive side of the Auto-updater, being able to set it to tell you when there are new updates available.

    I'd never set it to auto-update, and I sincerely hope it never gets forced upon me. But as long as the company I work for has a know-nothing IT guy and a reliance on windows-only software, I guess I'll have to live with patching my 2K install.

    (Though don't tell my boss, I've got a Knoppix CD in my desk drawer and am currently exploring how feasible a switch to Linux on my work box might be!)

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  27. New Worm by seangw · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's a new worm out there that exploits a security hole still in Windows 2k/XP from when it was released.

    It has the capability to shut down applications, goes right through anti-virus software (even the latest patches!!!), and gives total control of the victim computer to the creator of the worm.

    An attempt by the powers that be to shut down it's source of updates was thwarted by various government agencies and the worm itself.

    Unfortunately there is no patch to get rid of the W32.MS.AutoUpdateRequired worm.

  28. Ironic by MrEnigma · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think it's kind of ironic...on their page it goes through the products affected, NT, XP, etc.

    And then they say Windows Me is not affected, not is 98, or 95, but you should upgrade to the newest versions. To the end user, that would kind of be like, I could upgrade to the newest versions, and then be vulnerable to all of this...why would I.

    Just thought it was funny.

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    1. Re:Ironic by Keeper · · Score: 2, Informative

      That would be because the Win9x codebase doesn't have DCOM ...

  29. Somewhat by JordanH · · Score: 2, Funny
    • The article is a somewhat general topic piece on worms in general.
    Since General Wesley Clark has entered the general Democratic field for the next general election, it's been generally assumed that general technical issues like this one would be handled with somewhat general ease by applying the general security practices to used by the general public, in general.
  30. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by homer_ca · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, like Walmart would ever survive without cheap T shirts and plastic crap from China. Forget about it.

  31. ..and here's the exploit. by bernz · · Score: 5, Informative
    just to help things along, here's the exploit that the worm will use.

    http://www.k-otik.com/exploits/09.16.MS03-039-ex p. c.php



    i'd post the code, but /. won't let me.

  32. Mod the college student down... by toupsie · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Well, if the only thing you are doing is running AIM, IE and Kazaa, I would agree. However if you work in an environment with mission critical apps that cannot fail, you can't just simply "patch your systems". You must test, test and retest.

    Start thinking of us that operate in the real world. Cocky statements like "We've had plenty of warning about this, so it's only the criminally unprepared that will be hit right" sound outright stupid. The patch was released last Wednesday. To coordinate business departments, users and techincal staff along with testing requirements doesn't happen overnight. You do your best to patch as fast as possible and take steps to add a firewall layer but you have to deal with business requirements. Switching from Microsoft won't solve this problem either....OpenSSH anyone?

    However, I don't mind Microsoft security problems, it keeps food on my table.

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    1. Re:Mod the college student down... by CausticWindow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're right about having to test a lot when applying patches in such an environment.

      However, applying two ten line, plain text, patches on OpenSSH is a slightly more deterministic procedure than installing the lastet five megabyte patch from Microsoft.

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    2. Re:Mod the college student down... by FyRE666 · · Score: 4, Funny

      However if you work in an environment with mission critical apps that cannot fail, you can't just simply "patch your systems".

      I have to ask, why the hell would you be running anything remotely "mission critical" on windows in the first place???

    3. Re:Mod the college student down... by throughthewire · · Score: 2, Insightful
      OK, then if you've done your part to explain the problem to them, and they're not listening, I suppose it's not your fault. But that doesn't change the fact there's a serious problem here....

      Yup, but it often isn't "idiot admins." Picture a company smaller than yours. A "small business" - ten to twenty-five employees, let's say.

      The target market for, god help us, Microsoft Small Business Server. Yeah, the product that's a Domain Controller, SQL server, Exchange server, file server, web server, firewall and proxy server all in one! Joy!

      They have one server. With gobs of fragile, interdependent software waiting to go haywire after a bad patch or service pack install.

      If they can even afford a full-time admin who can deploy patches as soon as they are released, there is no test server.

      Even if their admin or "computer guy" has bothered to make backups, (s)he has to wait until no one is using the system, and then pray that Microsoft (or some other vendor!) doesn't hose them. Because a restore operation isn't going to be quick & easy.

      There are a lot of small businesses out there in just this situation, and the folks who support them are often doing the best they can.

      Don't even get me started on college campuses. If you think controlling student systems is a pain in the ass, try the faculty.

      Enjoy being the BOFH while you can!

  33. Re:MS Security bulletin? What about... by mph · · Score: 5, Informative
    What am I missing?
    Buffer Overflow in Sendmail
    New ssh Exploit in the Wild

    The problem seems to be that you're running late, not slashdot. The above stories were each posted the day before you claim that the vulnerabilities were discovered.

  34. Survival for Virus: Don't Kill Your Host by RobertB-DC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To be honest, I hope it just trashes boot sectors before writing random crap all over the hard drive. That might actually get the message through. All these soft viruses just make people think of it as an inconvenience. When something bad happens, people might just start sitting up and taking notice.

    You're thinking software, not biology.

    A virus like Ebola is bad news for its host. It spreads pretty easily and quickly causes violent, bloody death. But it kills its host so quickly that the host doesn't have time to infect anyone outside his immediate contacts, and the severe nature brings all Man's medical defenses to track the contagion to its source and eradicate it.

    The common cold is a virus, too. It causes relatively minor discomfort to its host, only killing a small number of previously weakened hosts. This gives the cold time to spread widely before it is detected, and by that time the infection can no longer be contained -- or even traced back to its original host.

    Early viruses were more Ebola-like, wiping out boot sectors, killing the host. But when was the last time you heard of a new infection by the Michelangelo virus?

    Evolution, of a sort, has led to new viruses being more like the common cold -- annoying, but not deadly, and therefore common as a sneeze.

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    1. Re:Survival for Virus: Don't Kill Your Host by Penguinshit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I got the Michelangelo virus back in the day: One morning I came into work and there was paint all over my ceiling...

      Anyway, I believe the days of boot sector trashing viruses are over. It's much better to root and take control of a large number of systems than to indiscriminately destroy one or two. Recent discussion regarding the SoBig variants illustrates this point (ie, possible use as a Distributed SPAM engine). There are already numerous viruses out there which allow the perpetrator to orchestrate a massive DDoS.

      The "evolution" of which you speak is merely an evolution of desire and sophistication by the creators of such malware.

    2. Re:Survival for Virus: Don't Kill Your Host by bfields · · Score: 2, Interesting
      To be honest, I hope it just trashes boot sectors before writing random crap all over the hard drive. That might actually get the message through. All these soft viruses just make people think of it as an inconvenience. When something bad happens, people might just start sitting up and taking notice.

      You're thinking software, not biology.

      A virus like Ebola is bad news for its host. It spreads pretty easily and quickly causes violent, bloody death. But it kills its host so quickly that the host doesn't have time to infect anyone outside his immediate contacts, and the severe nature brings all Man's medical defenses to track the contagion to its source and eradicate it.

      I'm not sure this analogy works any more for a "virus" that can infect a large percentage of the worlds computers in a few minutes....

      --Bruce Fields

  35. Re:This is but one of two by pe1chl · · Score: 4, Informative

    Tonight 3 of these arrived here. It is an e-mail message that contains a .exe attachment that promises to be "the latest version of security update, the
    "September 2003, Cumulative Patch" update which fixes
    all known security vulnerabilities affecting
    MS Internet Explorer, MS Outlook and MS Outlook Express
    as well as three newly discovered vulnerabilities."

    Apparently lots of people just doubleclick it.

  36. benign worms against the RIAA by eepness · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm surprised we haven't seen worms doing more interesting tasks than coordinated DDOS attacks... Think what would happen if a worm spread some sort of simple P2P client to every machine it hit, and just initiated random downloads of mp3's from other worm-infested nodes (and maybe users could make a "suggested downloads list" through a config file somewhere). The RIAA would get dizzy trying to find a target to sue...

  37. Re:I think there's already something new going aro by ncc74656 · · Score: 4, Informative
    NAI has new defs that cover it now, and I assume all other others do too.

    Just checked with Symantec...while the updated defs aren't available through LiveUpdate, they are available by downloading the Intelligent Updater. How smart of them...instead of sending out a couple hundred K, they force people to download 4 megs each until next Wednesday. It's their bandwidth, I suppose...

    (I reran NAV after getting today's defs...it identified the file as containing Worm.Automat.AHB. SARC says nothing informative about it, but F-Secure says the following:

    There is no virus known to us by this name. However, Norton Anti-Virus uses names like W97M.Automat.A to name viruses which have been detected automatically.

    Another 5-10 copies arrived since my last post...busy little fscker, isn't it? Rabbits don't breed this rapidly.

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  38. Symantec AV just found this on my system by bryhhh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Bloodhound.Exploit.1

    Which according to Symantec is "likely to be a new worm or Trojan that makes use of the DCOM RPC vulnerability.".

    I'm pretty sure it's a false positive as the machine is patched, firewalled, and the file was found in the offline file cache (I've seen a few false positives in that directory).

    For a minute or two I though the worm we are all expecting RSN, had been released.

  39. look at the photo by lithis · · Score: 3, Funny

    i'm sure all the macintosh users were as frusterated as her.

  40. Re:Welcome by wo1verin3 · · Score: 5, Funny

    >> I, for one, welcome our new worm Overlords.

    With that attitude, the movie Dune would have been a lot more boring. :(

  41. HIV by Detritus · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Another approach is to have a long incubation period, like HIV. It slowly multiplies over a long period of time before causing symptoms.

    A computer virus could wait several weeks before it nuked the hard drive.

    If I wrote a virus, I would add anti-tamper features so that removing the virus would also trash the system. The virus could encrypt selected parts of the hard drive and decrypt them on-the-fly when the operating system accessed those sections of the hard drive.

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    1. Re:HIV by Nintendork · · Score: 3, Insightful
      A computer virus could wait several weeks before it nuked the hard drive.

      A virus/worm that did this wouldn't make as big of a splash when the payload executes. Anti-virus companies would have updated virus defs out there within a day or two of distribution and a lot of people would become disinfected before the symptoms kicked in. Plus, the more damaging the payload, the wider the news will reach and people without anti-virus software would use free removal tools.

      -Lucas

    2. Re:HIV by A_Non_Moose · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The virus could encrypt selected parts of the hard drive...

      What's really scary is this:

      Think of all the vbs worms/viruses, now mate that with windows scripting (similar to vbs, I think) and windows' abilty to encrypt the file system (built in functionality, right?).

      How hard would it be to, oh, say infect a system, encrypt the entire drive (or "my documents" or delete select files/user data), change the admin password, and reboot the system when done?

      I think that'd be the rudest awakening ever.

      I give it a year or so before it happens somewhere important, because some people never learn...esp Microsoft.

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    3. Re:HIV by HiThere · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Make that random parts of the system, and random *.doc files (and a few other extensions). Nobody would *dare* get rid of it. A bad system file can be replaced, but a bad doc file can be very bad.

      It might teach people about hierarchcical backups, but I doubt it.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    4. Re:HIV by bigfatlamer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But did you read the rest of the post? I agree...an incubation period would likely only work for the first wave of infected machines (if that) causing a low number of high profile destroyed machines. 30 seconds on one evening news program, if that.

      Contrast that with what the parent said which was that fucking with the virus, by trying to remove w/ an AV tool for instance, would cause it to drop its payload immediately and do whatever evil it was planning to do.

      NB that I know exactly fuck all about programming so I have no idea how difficult this would be but it would certainly get folks to sit up and take notice and I have no doubt that it will happen sooner rather than later.

      Eric

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    5. Re:HIV by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 3, Informative

      Anti-virus companies would have updated virus defs out there within a day or two of distribution and a lot of people would become disinfected before the symptoms kicked in.

      You can't count on this any more, since the technique of downloading the actual rootkit from the web became popular. Virus companies can't possibly know every trojan that can be posted to a random web page and downloaded by the worm. Hence, "disinfecting" is going to become a more and more dubious proposition over time.

      Proper cleanup requires a full system reinstall, compile with all applications and utilities. Get too lazy to do that, and you're going to find out what a really subtle trojan can do.

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    6. Re:HIV by Nintendork · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Virus companies can't possibly know every trojan that can be posted to a random web page and downloaded by the worm.

      I encourage you to subscribe to some SecurityFocus mailing lists. We (White hats) analyze traffic trends and would notice any odd activity. We would analyze the data passing in the packets and see what exploit it's implementing. We'd then set up a honeypot so we could analyze an infected box, disassemble the virus, etc. and there would be updated virus defs as a result. All within one or two days.

      -Lucas

  42. Microsoft's Advice by digime · · Score: 5, Funny

    From Microsoft:

    Note Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition (SE), and Windows 95 also are not affected by this issue. However, these products are no longer supported. Users of these products are strongly encouraged to upgrade to later versions.

    WTF? How this translates to me - "If your computer is immune from these new strains of virii you are strongly encouraged to make it vulnerable."

    1. Re:Microsoft's Advice by frkiii · · Score: 2, Funny

      Marketoid advice:

      "How can we spin this to get people to upgrade to XP and other OSes?"

      Of course they would encourage users to upgrade to later versions of their own OSes!

      Can't have all these people out there with >= Windows 98 SE, when we have "big" plans for them (i.e. remote disabling of applications, deleting of files, etc.).

      Regards,

      Fredrick

  43. Received 5 messages with payloads in last 2 hours. by frkiii · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have patch, firewall, etc. here at my company.

    In the last 2 hours, I have received five messages all noting that my "message was underliverable" or similar wording.

    No "attachment" (use Netscape 4.7x here at work for e-mail handling). But, a look at the source showed the payloads.

    One was a ".bat" file, others were randomly named ".exe" files.

    In analyzing the headers, most (three of five) appear to have originated from a "Comcast" server.

    The time stamp on the messages of the messages ranged from 19:30 GMT to 16:30 GMT -4.

    Something is spewing on the net.

    Regards,

    Fredrick

  44. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by rodgerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Other way around, son. US business is so hopelessly dependent on cheap Chinese labour and just in time manufacturing that there'd be chaos if China was embargoed.

  45. Microsoft Worm by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Typical. Pre-announcing vaporware just to hurt competitors' sales.

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  46. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by 4of12 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    constantly improving

    Over the long haul, yes.

    But there were some points of tension when the U.S. cruddy intelligence led to the mistaken bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, and when a U.S. spyplane flying off the coast made an emergency landing on a Chinese island.

    Meanwhile, the government there is learning that it can divert attention from inconvenient issues (like corruption between the military and industry, lack of an open democratic process) by exploiting nationalistic sentiment (We vs They).

    This is in the same grand tradition that is done in the United States and in Russia, so the rest of the world can feel safe knowing that all 3 of the largest nuclear superpowers are populated by emotional peasants.

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  47. So the best thing you can do... by Pvt_Waldo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...is not spend your tmie ranting about how evil MS is or how bad or what not.

    Spend your time and energy making sure everyone patches. This is so simple to beat. Just patch.

  48. One paper to bind them all... by daveaitel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That exploit was written closely based on my papers at http://www.immunitysec.com/papers/

    Dave Aitel
    Immunity, Inc.

  49. Already getting emails for 3 days by dodell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've already been getting emails for 3 days with crap from 'Microsoft' and people sending me the patches in .exe form... like I'd trust that.

    But thankfully, I run FreeBSD and don't have to deal with that crap. Just the email overflow :P.

  50. Re:OT: Unofficial Hostility in "Cyber Space" by dwillden · · Score: 2, Funny
    China exports so much to the US that they'd fall over backwards and cry if the US put on a trade embargo. No shots need to be fired.
    Amen to that, Try to find a US Flag that doesn't say Made in China. Particularly the small novelty sized ones.
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  51. Closed source security by Shulai · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I want to note that all NT based Windows versions, at least since 4.0 are vulnerable. This means, this hole was sleeping from years, it could exist since late 1995 or earlier, if it wasn't introduced into NT4 in a SP. This means, also, people had a giant security issue along seven years, waiting for somebody to exploit it. I'm not sure how open source software can be affected in similar ways (anybody remember any case out there?), but I feel better thinking that open source allows a faster cycle for bug and vulnerability depuration.

  52. You ain't seen nothing yet by ralphus · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The current array of worms making the rounds on the Internet are pretty fundamentally simple worms and not much more than teenagers throwing eggs at the wall on a large scale. Blaster was crashing systems because of it's sloppy coding, it wasn't even doing damage other than eating up resources and planning on attacking MS (which it stupidly did based on DNS entry and then even the WRONG ONE).

    Worms today all have limited vision in what they can do and a greedy philosophy which results in limiting their possible damage.

    I'm one of the good guys, but I can certainly see the potential that an evil genius can do. Please read these two papers and get a idea of what is possibly coming.

    Warhol Worms

    Curious Yellow

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  53. Excuses by tigre222 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    A few observations; 1.We have been applying all relevant patches to NT/2000 servers and desktops quickly after release and for about a year or so now, nothing has gone wrong after. Yeh it's a pain, always require reboots. Big deal. You know how many machines out of 8 servers and 125 desktops have had virus problems?

    Three. One major education institution here (of which IT composes a large part) had their entire network comprimised. The professor (head of the IT Department) was on the radio waffling on about how bad it was but failed to answer why they had not applied patches until six weeks after the MS announcment. Of course, they applied the patches after the outbreak in the Uni. when the panic hit. WTF are they teaching there?

    2.The current announcment from MS was on the 10th of Sept. The BBC article appeared 8 days later (wow, they're on the ball!) and has FUD written all over it. You can just hear the Editor; "Quick! Microsoft announced a vulnerability over a week ago". "Get someone to write something". "People soak up this shit!" 3. I am not a huge fan of MS but, while their security doesn't seem to have improved their notifications/patches have improved, immensely. So good on em!
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  54. I wonder... by dolson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was just thinking... I bet Microsoft is getting people to write these worms that exploit these security holes in Windows a week after the patch is available... It helps dispell the "myth" that Windows is insecure and all that, and nicely places the blame on the sysadmins... "You didn't patch??? Too bad..." You know what I mean? "It's not Microsoft's fault; they had a patch out a week ago." Brilliant. Microsoft++

  55. Treason or perjury? by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This bug came from China, and Microsoft has sent the source code to China ..
    That there is another Microsoft worm this week should come as no surprise. If you recall from the anti-trust trial and the appeal, Jim Allchin pointed out that Microsoft code was so flawed it could not be safely disclosed. It was even claimed that showing the Microsoft source code could damage national security.

    So, was it perjury or treason? You decide.

    Either way it's not a set of ethics that would induce me to resume business with them ... ever.

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  56. Sell it! by KC7GR · · Score: 2, Funny

    AP WIRE(less), 18-Sep-03. Microsoft Corporation president Steve 'Balmy' Ballmer announced today the formation of a new subdivision of the company which will specialize in the production and marketing of exploits for the Windows operating system.

    "All we're doing is catering to existing demand" Ballmer said during a press conference. "People want this stuff as much as they want Windows, and we're the best choice to make the exploits available. After all, we know better than anyone how many bugs are in our own code..."

    The first official release of the Windows Exploit Advantage Kit, or WEAK, is scheduled to take place on December 42nd. When questioned about the date, Mr. Ballmer had this to say; "It's our way of honoring the late Douglas Adams. Even if that weren't enough, it turns out that the number of bugs in Windows, divided by half the number of years before our sun goes nova, equals exactly 42. What could be more appropriate for a release date...?"

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