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Privacy International Internet Censorship Report

eric434 writes "The Register reports that Internet restrictions, government secrecy and communications surveillance have reached an unprecedented level across the world, from 9/11-inspired Patriot-esque laws to national internet filtering and corporate abuse of the legal system. Summarizing the Privacy International report, it's quite evident that we've not only approached but started down a slippery slope. In the words of Simon Davies (director of Privacy Intl.), 'The report sounds a warning that we must move quickly to preserve the remaining freedoms on the Internet before they are systematically extinguished.'"

174 comments

  1. Natural by Brahmastra · · Score: 0, Insightful

    It is only natural that there will be increased monitoring, considering that the Internet could be used to hatch plans. Monitoring is necessary at least to a limited extent, but there should be a lot more checks and balances on making sure these are not used for Orwellian purposes.

    1. Re:Natural by emilymildew · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The internet could be used to hatch plans. So could the USPS. So could telephones. Granted, not with the same sort of ease, but they could be used. Do we allow the government to track those, also? Do we allow our mail to be searched?

    2. Re:Natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "Do we allow the government to track those, also? Do we allow our mail to be searched? "

      Yes, we do. Haven't you been paying attention? Care to point to a country where the government (or its police force) doesn't have to the right (exercised daily) to open mail, tap phone calls, etc?

    3. Re:Natural by lightspawn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is only natural that there will be increased monitoring, considering that the Internet could be used to hatch plans. Monitoring is necessary at least to a limited extent [...]

      What about communication channels that cannot be monitored? Do two (or more) people have the right to communicate through a secure channel of arbitrary bittage? If so, monitoring is doomed to failure; if not, expect a locked-down net where you can only use web and (non-encrypted) email, and HTTPS is reserved only for financial transactions where at least one of the sides is a commercial entity.

    4. Re:Natural by flashbang · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "considering that the Internet could be used to hatch plans"

      Well, why not install listening devices in all houses & apartments then, since plans could be hatched there as well. I'm sure most of us wouldn't mind.. much.

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    5. Re:Natural by Brahmastra · · Score: 1

      Listening devices are implanted in cases where law-enforcement suspects something is going on. The same can be extended to cyberspace.

    6. Re:Natural by PitaBred · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, but the point is that there are legal hurdles to go over to do this. At least there used to be. You had to get search warrants and the like, and go through an actual judge. Now things like the DMCA exist and give private entities subpoena and search/seizure powers, as well as things like the Patriot (gotta love naming things to get them through... patriot my ass. Should've been called the 1984 act...) lowering the barrier for law enforcement to do these things. It's a new development for the most part. These abilities exist, and always have, but the ability to use them indiscriminately is the new bit.

    7. Re:Natural by KDan · · Score: 0

      Don't forget his collection of used condoms.

      It's in a big box under his bed.

      Daniel

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      Carpe Diem
    8. Re:Natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > At least there used to be.

      Sure. It's not just you lot. We (in the UK) have the RIP act which will make it into law sooner or later. Just part of the price you pay for having a population largely made up of idiots. No use blaming the government. This sort of thing just wouldn't happen if people weren't so easily led.

    9. Re:Natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The internet is a public medium. Your ideas are attached to a non-anonymous identifier (an IP address) and go through perhaps dozens of machines like ideas on a postcard passing through dozens of cities. There is no privacy on the internet.

    10. Re:Natural by spektr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is only natural that there will be increased monitoring, considering that the Internet could be used to hatch plans. Monitoring is necessary at least to a limited extent, but there should be a lot more checks and balances on making sure these are not used for Orwellian purposes.

      I wonder what the right-wing people who praise the right to own guns as a means to overthrow an oppressive government do think about this. I disagree strongly with these people, but hadn't they to agree that the citizens would need weapons of information warfare, too? E.g. the right of absolute privacy through encryption to organize resistance against the government if this should be necessary?

    11. Re:Natural by emilymildew · · Score: 1

      HER collection of used condoms. And I get rid of them weekly in a bonfire.

    12. Re:Natural by symbolic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So could telephones

      So could paper.

      This amply demonstrates the huge flaw in the so-called "patriotic" measures to ensure "national security". They are neither patriotic, nor do they offer a solution to any terrorist threat, either real or imagined. The only thing they have done is turn the American government into the next big threat, where the source of terror could very well be an inside job.

    13. Re:Natural by Smallpond · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ummm.. warrant? judge? 4th amendment to the US Constitution prohibiting unreasonable search and seizure?

      If John Ashcroft wants to get a warrant every time he asks for my library records or to monitor my email, I'm all in favor. Let him.

      The name Patriot Act is kind of ironic, since the American Patriots were the people who rebelled against an overly repressive regime.

    14. Re:Natural by jjoyce · · Score: 1

      When someone becomes a politician, he trades in his ability to recognize irony and absurdity.

    15. Re:Natural by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > What about communication channels that cannot be monitored?

      Barring cost breakthroughs in quantum cryptography that will bring this down to the level of the end user, there's no such thing.

      Actually, even when quantum cryptography produces the unsnoopable connection (i.e. a connection that, when snooped by Frank, tells Alice and Bob that they're being watched), there's nothing to prevent someone from laying down the TEMPEST smack on Alice, or doing DSP with r/g/b filters with the input being the flickers of Bob's CRT against his window shades.

      > Do two (or more) people have the right to communicate through a secure channel of arbitrary bittage?

      I believe they do.

      But if they're suspected of criminal activity, law enforcement has the right to attempt to crack that security by whatever means they deem fit.

    16. Re:Natural by ratamacue · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The name Patriot Act is kind of ironic

      Ironic, but entirely predictable. Like many expansions of government, the name or slogan is designed to suggest a "feel good" attitude for the victim (taxpayer). It's simple propaganda, but obviously it works, because the tactic has been used over and over again throughout the course of history, not just in the USA.

      In this case, who would oppose the "patriot" act but a non-patriot, i.e. someone who stands in the way of national pride?

    17. Re:Natural by 4of12 · · Score: 1

      right-wing people who praise the right to own guns as a means to overthrow an oppressive government do think about this.

      I've never understood that part, either.

      Trusting your subjects and fellow citizens, to me, represents one of the bravest moves of any government. It accords them with power and responsibilty that, throughout history, governments have sought to remove.

      So now, in the U.S. anyway, the party in charge of government simultaneously advocates strong protection for the citizens' "rights" to possess lethal firearms and, on the other hand, takes away other "rights" such as privacy.

      Actually, though, the most right-wing parts of the Republican party are suspicious, downright paranoid, that "liberals" will not only take away their firearms, but establish an Oppressive One World Government under the direction of the U.N.

      Meanwhile, on the left, advocates for the right to privacy, etc., usually lose their enthusiasm for those principles once they've used the advantages of those rights to gain power and want to maintain control, er, "enforce laws".

      Myself, I kind of like giving citizens as much power and responsibity as possible - but giving them comparably draconian punishment in case they abuse the power and responsibility entrusted to them.

      --
      "Provided by the management for your protection."
    18. Re:Natural by Sphere1952 · · Score: 1

      I've always been of the opinion that the right to bear arms, being a protection against the government, implied the right to own nukes.

      Satuday night specials, on the other hand, won't do a damn thing against the government. I'm not so worried about them being outlawed.

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      Big Brother Bush is doubleplus ungood.
    19. Re:Natural by fireweaver · · Score: 1


      Tackhead (54550) on 2003.09.19 16:24 (#7004985) wrote: "But if they're suspected of criminal activity, law enforcement has the right to attempt to crack that security by whatever means they deem fit".

      To which I say: Rubber hoses liberally applied to one of the parties of the comunication works wonders in breaking security.

    20. Re:Natural by spektr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Meanwhile, on the left, advocates for the right to privacy, etc., usually lose their enthusiasm for those principles once they've used the advantages of those rights to gain power and want to maintain control, er, "enforce laws".

      I think, the wish to maintain once gained control is a general trait of most of the human cultures (though there are certainly many enlightenend and balanced individuals in every population). So we need a form of government that makes it easy to replace its representatives peacefully and efficient, if they misuse their power, while on the same time it should be hard to change the general framework (e.g. decide to become a dictatorship). Democracy seems to be a relatively good implementation of this idea, but it works only if people can obtain information freely and discuss them freely, without fear of prosecution. These freedoms are threatened by the powerful propaganda machineries of TV and mass media, which report very selectively and biased, and by the attempts of governments worldwide to control the new channels of information and discussion that were made possible by the internet.

    21. Re:Natural by Uncle+Dick · · Score: 1

      Most conservatives that I've seen consider the Patriot Act an affront to privacy; an unacceptable encroachment of government on the lives of individual citizens.

      Republican != right-wing. The Bush administration's Patriot Act and entitlement spending is designed to attract those in the center and on the left, not to shore up the conservative base who thought Bush was a conservative when he proposed the tax cuts.

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    22. Re:Natural by o1d5ch001 · · Score: 1

      If you still don't have any understanding of what is meant by the "right to
      bear arms" is about, you still need to re-read your history and understand
      what it really means to be self-sufficient. The basis of American freedom is
      self-sufficient autonomous peoples, equal but distinct peoples without an
      all-powerful government over them. Remember, the King of England was the
      authority of the land, and any breath of dissent was ultimately punishable by
      death. The US constitutions is an attempt to limit power and therefore check
      anyone who wants to be king, even for a four year term.

      That being said, a few years ago I would have agreed with you. I would have
      said, we don't need the right to bear arms, we are all law-abiding people. The
      fact is, that the rule of law is too easily crossed, and the government that
      professed to to be your protector becomes your jailor. For some
      recent examples, talk to the Spanish people about Franco, or the Italians
      about Musilini or Ukrainians about Lennon.

      But at the seasoned age of 34, I start to ask myself: why am I so dependent on
      banks, fickle employers and the power grid. Why do I give so much of my money
      to provide services that I could do myself, or use less of.

      The short answer is I am not self-sufficient. I have allowed myself to be
      influenced by the material needs that make me dependent on the outside world.
      And as long as I am dependent on the outside world for policing, financing
      material needs, energy to run my car, computer, stove, microwave, and
      lights... I am entered into an agreement that I might not like the terms of.
      In fact I might be persuaded to give up more of my contract right (i.e.
      freedom of movement) to provide more security.

      But we have been on this slipery slope since the First World War. The only
      people that might have escaped some of this madness are the Amish, Mennonites
      and other people that have remained separate from the world and its
      dependencies. After the bloodbath that was the 20th Century and the influence
      of communism, we have been all too eager for Government to be our overlord and
      protect us from car accidents, too hot coffee and other threats real and
      imagined.

      So, at the end of the day. Be glad that you have the Right to Bear Arms and
      that the government has not taken away all of your avenues of resistance if
      the time ever comes that you need to fight your way out of situations in your
      own city or state or country. Lennon thought that the communist revolution
      would have to happen again and again. Over throwing waves of classes that
      worked to oppress people. I think he might have had it half-right that no
      Government or constitution could stand forever, and that it would be
      inevitable that Governments would need to be brought down by revolutionary
      forces, and sometimes that fight gets bloody.

      Don't let Governments tell you what is best for your, and don't allow them to
      take away any of your rights, because Government always want more.

      --
      Q. What is Calvin's monster snowman called? A. The Torment Of Existence Weighed Against The Horror of Non Being
    23. Re:Natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mods don't know sarcasm when they see it.

    24. Re:Natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wiretapping has been around for quite some time, and search and siezure even longer. The key is to do so only when their is reasonable cause and with permission for a judge. The internet shouldn't be exempt from wiretapping, but the above mentioned safeguards need to exist.

    25. Re:Natural by spektr · · Score: 1

      So, at the end of the day. Be glad that you have the Right to Bear Arms and
      that the government has not taken away all of your avenues of resistance if
      the time ever comes that you need to fight your way out of situations in your
      own city or state or country.


      I hope I don't start an offtopic flamewar, but do you really think that you would have a chance against any modern army, armed only with small arms and rifles? These people will come with tanks and even missiles if they really want to blow you away. Your arguments may have been valid some hundred years ago, but in our time I consider them as mostly illusionary. The government may have an interest in backing this illusion to distract you while they take away your real rights.

      I can understand your desire to be independent of the big ant-hill that modern society has become, but I think you underestimate some of the problems associated with this.

      Keep in mind: this is just my opinion, and you can have yours.

    26. Re:Natural by canajin56 · · Score: 1

      Yes indeed. A good example of its use in the past is the "Enabling Act" that gave Hitler his power. The full name was (Translated, obviously) "Law in order to remedy the misery of the people and the Reich."

      Who would vote against THAT? Clearly only people who wanted Germany and its people to suffer.

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    27. Re:Natural by o1d5ch001 · · Score: 1

      OT: The quick answer is yes, and every General knows it. Ask some of the Soviets who got kicked out of Afghanastan by the locals... the current Afgan chapter is not finished...

      To be fair, I have only (mostly) questions, but a few points: There is a huge difference in sending an army to a foriegn country to kill those who are willing to be killed (the enemy), and sending in the national guard to suppress a domestic situation (your cousins). Your argument has been made before and has a lot of validity. What should be kept in mind is that Really Bad Stuff TM does not happen when everyone has a job, and the country is running well. It happens at really bad times, after natural disaster and man-made disasters that push people to thier limits.
      I am not saying that we can turn back the clock and move back to the farm, I am pretty sure we can't. But we can ask really serious questions about what we really need, and can I do something for myself and not be dependent on some government, business, commune to provide it for me. At some point, you may no longer have a choice is being dependent, you are force into a dependent relationship. Your freedom to chose is lost, and the further into this relationship you go, the more freedoms you will/have lost. Thanks for reading my (longish) post..

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    28. Re:Natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's another that always bothered me about "unbreakable" quantum crypto - so what if you can detect snooping? What if I'm just out to DoS the channel? Quantum channels are extremely sensitive. If all I want to do is screw up your communications,then I don't care if you know your communication is being screwed up.

    29. Re:Natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Careful! By announcing that in a public forum, you could have the EPA on you for polluting!

    30. Re:Natural by StuartLaJoie · · Score: 1

      Actually, though, the most right-wing parts of the Republican party are suspicious, downright paranoid, that "liberals" will not only take away their firearms, but establish an Oppressive One World Government under the direction of the U.N

      I have to point out that what you're describing is generally attributed to precisely the right-wing persons you are referring to. (Google for "New World Order" speech, from GHW Bush) Not trying to start a flamewar, just picking a nit with the metaphor.

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    31. Re:Natural by Alphtoo · · Score: 1

      As one such "right-wing (person) who praise(s) the right to own guns...." I can only speak for myself, but I am not alone. The second amendment is very important to me, as is the entire Constitution. The US Constitution is being trampled into the dirt by Republicans and Democrats alike, and this must stop. Otherwise at some point the people will have no recourse but to retake the Country, in the same spirit with which it was taken from England over 200 years ago. A simple reading of the Document quickly establishes that our Founders were well aware of this possibility and took great pains to provide for it in our Constitution. Incidently, I am no "gun nut" nor am I a reactionary conservative. I am a Constitutional Conservative and there is a world of difference.

    32. Re:Natural by spektr · · Score: 1

      Incidently, I am no "gun nut" nor am I a reactionary conservative. I am a Constitutional Conservative and there is a world of difference.

      The intention of my posting wasn't to attack your position - I don't think that such a discussion would be on topic. I asked if you assess weapons of information warfare as important and if you defend them with as fiercely as you defend the right to bear physical arms. Information warfare means for example: privacy and anonymity through encryption and effective methods to provide information channels that cannot be controlled by the government or other organizations (i.e. counter-propaganda). I ask this, because I think that propaganda and surveillance are important aspects of modern warfare.

  2. ORWELLIAN PURPOSES? by proj_2501 · · Score: 1, Funny

    Nobody should be able to monitor the internet to help them write allegorical books about oppressive governments! Especially not the government!

  3. Strange Wording by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    "Non-democratic regimes look to the West for technologies and techniques of repression."

    Is that where they get their ideas from? Who knew we were such good trend-setters?

  4. SPAM Laws by bigjocker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's why I oppose solving the Spam problem using laws and politics. We should oppose those laws as we opose any law that tries to control or censor any other area of the internet. How long until any of the Spam laws are used against the Net?

    The Spam problem is a technical one, and as such should be solved technically. Somebody once compared a political solution to the spam problem with the laws that make you use the seat belt, but this is not the same case. There are no rightful uses for crashing your car when not whearing a seat belt, but there are rightful uses for some mass e-mails (distribution lists, discussion groups, legally registered advertisement, etc).

    The current system is flawed. Blame it on the SMTP protocol or the administrators that use it without knowing it. There lies the problem and there it should be solved. There are great proposals for solving this (digital certificates or pgp signatures at the transport layer, etc), and I (as many of us are) am willing to adopt any new technology that should solve this problem, if it is incompatible with the current email technology, well, bad luck, somewhere the first step must be taken. Look at IPV6.

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    1. Re:SPAM Laws by proj_2501 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It all depends on whether the marketplace digs in or not.

      We could easily phase in a mailsystem that's much less prone to abuse than SMTP.
      But will anyone use it?

    2. Re:SPAM Laws by lommer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The Spam problem is a technical one, and as such should be solved technically.

      No. This argument is made frequently on slashdot, and I am thouroghly (sp?) convinced that it is wrong. While the problem of spam may have technical aspects it is a different problem. Spam is a moral problem - it is a case of a select few people abusing a system for their own profit, thereby ruining the effective usefulness of the system for others. One persons right to infringe upon the rights of another in all other aspects of our society is primarily governed by laws, and I see no reason why the spam problem should not be either. Granted there are legitamite uses, and therefore such legislation must be careful to take these into account. However, this is an almost guaranteed certainty, given the current complexity of the legal system, adding such exemptions, checks and balances would be no problem - in fact it would be considered neccesary by many legal and constitutional experts.

      Opting for a purely technical solution has problems of its own. We have already seen some attempts at technical stopgap measures designed to stem the flood of UCE, but these have generally just resulted in an escalation in the tactics of spammers (e.g. faking return addresses, using trojan horses to create relays, etc.)

      The problem of spam is NOT a technical one. It is a moral one and its solution therefore lies in the legal system.

    3. Re:SPAM Laws by bigjocker · · Score: 0

      The problem of spam is NOT a technical one. It is a moral one and its solution therefore lies in the legal system

      Since when moral problems are a matter of the legal system?. Do you know anything about the Inquisition? Why does the legal system has to get its hands on the moral issues of our societies? Do you agree with the laws that forbid oral sex on some countries? That's a moral issue, and is being addressed with the legal system.

      Remember when women could not vote? Back then it was "morally" correct (most males with power were idiots), so is it right to make laws to forbid them from voting? How about african-americans?

      The spam problem is in fact a moral problem, but you should not make our society adapt to it, we should adapt our technology to it.

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      Life isn't like a box of chocolates. It's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow.
    4. Re:SPAM Laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      god what a dipshit...

    5. Re:SPAM Laws by pmz · · Score: 1

      It is a moral one and its solution therefore lies in the legal system.

      Again, why? Codifying morality into law causes immeasurable victimization of otherwise innocent people. We aren't talking about child porn, here, only useless wasteful e-mail. Why should I feel a need to hire an expensive lawyer just so I can feel safe in sending any e-mail, under your new systems of legal checks? Do you think corporate e-mail legal departments are a good thing? Can you propose educating the public in a manner that will be more effective than any current efforts regarding technology?

      Legal solutions are bound to fail. Period.

      What will ultimately be the most effective solution is for culture to adjust. While it will take time for new social rules to develop, it won't be any different than the gradual awareness regarding things like cell phone ringers. We, the public, has been bombarded by a technological eruption never seen before by humanity. In all of human history! How can we even concieve of an appropriate set of laws to constrain this?!?!?

    6. Re:SPAM Laws by FsG · · Score: 1

      They'll use it if they don't want spam. If they don't mind it, then there's no problem to begin with.

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    7. Re:SPAM Laws by danila · · Score: 1

      You say that there are some good reasons for mass mailings and yet you suggest we eliminate the possibility to do them by technical means. This smells awfully like DRM. I don't want to lose the possibility to send anonymous e-mails when I really need it. I don't want the possibility to mass-mail completely eliminated either. Both things are some of the freedoms that we currently enjoy. To remove them just in order to solve the spam problem is unacceptable to me.

      A better analogy would be not seat belt laws, but murder laws. Buying and using a gun is legal, but killing someone is usually (but not always) not. Instead of crafting a technological solution that would prevent use of guns, we accept the risks, but reserve the right to punish the wrongdoers. That's precisely what we need to do with spam, not to completely cripple e-mail (which is also impossible to do on such a large scale).

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  5. You Ever Get The Feeling... by The+Angry+Mick · · Score: 3, Funny


    ...that all of these changes in copyright law, and collection of personal information is really just some giant, and perversely evil scheme designed to make marketing easier?

    --

    I'm not tense. I'm just terribly, terribly, alert.

    1. Re:You Ever Get The Feeling... by annielaurie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, I believe a great many people have that feeling. The current administration supports big business over all else, and the preservation of their assets and ability to make money is paramount. A large, docile population of people who just contentedly feed that personal information without becoming distressed is ideal.

      Take a look at the new additions to the anti-spam legislation; the "direct mailers" are now responsible for "self policing." In other words, the wolves have been given yet another key to the fold.

      We've had a "common enemy" created for us in Sadam Hussein while our actual enemy (Osama bin Laden) continues to elude us. I have no doubt this was done to induce patriotic feelings; no one, really, wants to make life harder for the soldiers or to appear to be comforting our enemies--even make believe ones. I suspect we'll queue up gladly to authorize airline security to pull credit reports--for example.

      All this is going to go swimmingly until enough of us have lost our jobs that we can't keep the money-making machine going any longer.

      As I read back over this, I'm surprised at myself. I'm your basic hardworking ordinary Boomer. Something in your short post must've struck a chord.

      Anne

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    2. Re:You Ever Get The Feeling... by zaphodbblx · · Score: 1

      Well Ive been on a William Gibson bender so my view may be skewed but id say DAMN STRAIGHT BROTHER!

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      "A towel is the most astounding Mind-boggleing useful thing in the universe, allways know where your towel is"
    3. Re:You Ever Get The Feeling... by KanshuShintai · · Score: 1

      our actual enemy (Osama bin Laden) continues to elude us.

      If "our" refers to the United States government, then the actualy enemy would be the terrorist groups that are trying to take it down. Osama is a figurehead who was focused on by the government as a scapegoat for the people to blame. It's the same thing with Saddam.

      The internal (domestic) enemy of the people of the United States is currently the legislation that the government is passing because of the lobbying of big business groups (RIAA, M$, etc). The external (foreign) enemy is anyone who wants to inflict death or suffering on us. Blaming figureheads is useless. (e.g. Saddam is veritably gone, but we're still losing hold in Iraq.)

      Everything the US government has been doing lately is to instill patriotic feelings in the masses while they get away with whatever conspiracy they're up to today. Keep that tin-foil hat on tight.

    4. Re:You Ever Get The Feeling... by pmz · · Score: 1

      The current administration supports big business over all else...

      This is bound to inflame the leftists out there.

      We need to make a distinction, and important one: The current administration supports big business' rights over the rights of the individual. This inequity is terrible and isn't specifically "republican" or "democratic." Rather it is a crime against the US Constitution and all US citizens. It is a sign of corruption that really can only be dealt with over the next several elections. We need to vote to pare down the government very slowly over time, so that subtle abberations like TIA, the DMCA, the PATRIOT Act, etc. don't get by so easily. Even voting for a Democrat isn't sufficient, as they are just as wealthy and under the thumbs of inappropriate interests out there. Vote your conscious and vote for someone else. Make it known at the polls by making a very visible percentage start showing up that isn't the traditional two-party line, even if otherwise disparate third-parties have to band together--temporarily--to reset the political system in the People's favor...to at least get another 228 free years out of the USA.

    5. Re:You Ever Get The Feeling... by superyooser · · Score: 1
      The current administration supports big business over all else, and the preservation of their assets and ability to make money is paramount.

      What does the president's administration have to do with corporate privacy policies? Except in the rare case of a national security concern, they are mostly separate issues. If you insist on tying tech politics to presidential politics, I'll remind you that spam and spyware came to be major problems during the Clinton administration. Of course, this is all Al Gore's fault for inventing the Internet in the first place. :-)

      I keep hearing this charge over and over on Slashdot of Bush being consumed with trying to enrich his business buddies. Where do you get this? I look at what the president does, and I just don't see it. The war on terrorism protects everybody, the tax cuts and rebates were for everybody (even people who don't pay taxes), the faith based initiative benefits the downtrodden, etc. I can't think of one instance in which the president supported "big business over all else" or that indicated that the "preservation of their assets and ability to make money is paramount." That's just crazy. George W. Bush isn't that kind of person.

      Certainly the president does want business to thrive; that creates jobs and improves the economy. But what proof do you have that he's trying to enrich a particular group of people? You should watch his speeches, which are always in streaming media at whitehouse.gov (both live and later recorded). Get the whole message. Moreover, look at what he does. Evaluate Bush by his actions, not by what op-eds and blogs say about him. Those people have agendas. Like any good hacker, go to the source.

    6. Re:You Ever Get The Feeling... by samweber · · Score: 1
      Alas, almost nobody seems to read Slashdot postings after they've been up for more than a couple of hours, so probably nobody will see this. But I thought I'd correct a few mistakes:

      • "war on terrorism protects everybody"
        Okay, fighting terrorism is good. But is he doing an effective job? And who is benefiting? Take the Iraq war -- we were told that we had proof that Iraq had WMD, and it turns out that that was false, and the Bush administration knew it. So we are spending US$4 billion dollars a month for a war that hasn't increased security. (see cost of war) And who is making money from the war? Just Cheney's former company, who he is still being paid by. (see Cheney paid by Pentagon contractor).

        And, by the way, terrorists tried to murder government officials (Democrats) and media with anthrax. The administration doesn't seem to be making any progress in tracking these people down, now, have they?

      • "the tax cuts and rebates were for everybody (even people who don't pay taxes):"
        Okay, first of all, the "people who don't pay taxes" bit. The administration was misleading here. Rebates were given to those who didn't pay INCOME taxes, but those people still paid PAYROLL taxes. And because there is a ceiling for payroll taxes, the working poor pay a higher percentage of their income in payroll taxes than rich people do.

        As for the tax cuts and rebates being for everyone, who gets by far the most money? Answer: the rich. Take the dividend tax cut. The rich own lots of stock and therefore highly profit from this. The poor and middle-class don't. The administration tried to claim that more Americans than ever own stocks, but didn't mention that most Americans own stocks IN RETIREMENT ACCOUNTS, and this won't be affected by the dividend tax cut. And take the cut in the estate tax. The estate tax only affects people who have more than a million dollars in assets: the rich.

        And, by the way, if you want to stimulate the economy by giving people money, then economists agree that you should give the money to the poor, not the rich. Why? Because the poor will spend it on goods (food, clothing, housing...), which in turn will help stores and manufacturers. The rich will just save it, which is not nearly as effective.

      • "the faith based initiative benefits the downtrodden":
        How does the faith-based initiative help the downtrodden? All it does is funnel money that would have previously gone to non-church related charities to churches. In fact, it make things worse, because faith-based institutions are free to discriminate against people they don't like.

      Do I need to go on?
    7. Re:You Ever Get The Feeling... by superyooser · · Score: 1
      Okay, fighting terrorism is good. But is he doing an effective job?

      Yes. Quite a few terrorist plots in the U.S. have been thwarted. No terrorist attack has been successful in the U.S. since 9-11-01. The Taliban is gone. Much of Al-Qaeda's leadership has been taken out. Terrorists are confronting our military in Iraq, and they're being gunned down. The terrorists wanted to attack civilians on American soil. Bush has effectively moved the war to their soil, and they are facing the wrath of our military instead slaughtering our civilians. Yes, troops are dying in the desert, but they volunteered and are prepared to fight. That is better than accountants and janitors burning alive in American buildings.

      And who is benefiting?

      You and me. The whole free world. The new and improved Iraq.

      Take the Iraq war -- we were told that we had proof that Iraq had WMD, and it turns out that that was false, and the Bush administration knew it.

      We were told that we had proof by former U.N. weapons inspectors, Bill Clinton, Madeleine Albright, Tom Daschle, George W. Bush, Colin Powell, the CIA, Tony Blair, European intelligence, Israeli intelligence, and numerous Congressmen, both Democrat and Republican. Oh yes, and Saddam Hussein admitted to having WMD. The weapons may still be there. Iraq is a huge desert. If they are there, it could take many years to find them. Another possibility is that they were transported to Syria or another ally.

      So we are spending US$4 billion dollars a month for a war that hasn't increased security.

      I feel more secure than I did on 9/11. I haven't heard of any homocide bombings or anthrax attacks here in a long time.

      (see cost of war)

      What was the cost of NOT going to war? What is the cost of appeasement? To see the answer, just look at Israel: continued and worsening terrorism. A little Rummy-style Shock & Awe over there would bring peace within hours.

      Can you really put a price on the continued freedom and tranquility within America? What is the price of liberation from tyranny for Iraqis? We have brought liberty to a nation in the Middle East! Think about that! Iraq has the potential to become a refuge for Arabs in a sea of tyrannies.

      It has been months since any fresh corpses of Iraqi dissidents have been dumped into Saddam's mass graves. The machinery of the plastic/body shredders has gone silent. The light of liberty shines into Saddam's torture chambers and exposes the horror to which George W. Bush has put an end. The blood on the walls is old and crusty. It's a new era for a liberated people. Long dormant hospitals have opened up. The people have been celebrating in the streets. Iraq now has dozens of independent newspapers. They are openly discussing political and religious differences, something unthinkable during Saddam's regime. They have formed an indigenous, multi-ethnic/religious government that represents all the people. There is an Iraqi Congress! WMDs or not, we have done a very wonderful thing.

      And who is making money from the war? Just Cheney's former company, who he is still being paid by. (see Cheney paid by Pentagon contractor).

      First of all, Dick Cheney sold all his assets and severed all his ties to Halliburton during the 2000 election. He has nothing to gain from helping Halliburton. I know you'll never believe this, but Cheney has said outright that he had nothing to do with Halliburton receiving a government contract to do work in Iraq.

      Second point: Revenue != Profit. Do you have any idea how expensive it is for an American company to do that kind of work in Iraq? It isn't cheap. This is not exactly a boondoggle.

      And, by the way, terrorists tried to murder government officials (Democrats) and media with anthrax. The administration doesn't seem to be making any progress in tracking these people down, now, have they?

      The anthrax disseminators haven't struck again, have they? I think that says som

  6. Shoot the messenger by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Okay, so, I'm all for a call to arms to fight back and keep the Internet as free of restrictions, monitoring, etc. as possible. But this "report" is pretty factless and pointless. There doesn't seem to be a lot of connections between their points. I guess I feel the same way about this report as I did the propaganda about drugs I got from school - sure, I'm not particularly interested, so fine, I agree in principal, but why lie and mislead to make a point? I mean, I know WAY too many people who tried drugs because obviously the authorities were lying and so they were apparently trying to "protect" us against something good - so why not try it?

    I'm not saying this report is lying, but I am saying that it exagerates, and misleads. And we shouldn't support that kind of crap - ESPECIALLY about things that matter to us.

    1. Re:Shoot the messenger by symbolic · · Score: 1

      I know WAY too many people who tried drugs because obviously the authorities were lying and so they were apparently trying to "protect" us against something good - so why not try it?

      Good? How do you figure?

    2. Re:Shoot the messenger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Okay, so, I'm all for a call to arms to fight back and keep the Internet as free of restrictions, monitoring, etc.


      You do realize that keeping the internet free from restrictions and keeping the internet free from monitoring are opposite goals.

      You seem to welcome restrictions on who can look at/evaluate/publish the contents of packets that are flowing throught their systems (routers)

      Why should there be any restrictions at all? If I address a packet such that it is going to flow over the public internet, why shouldn't I consider it just that - public. (Yes, including the headers that can be traced back to me) Lets's work on a free, open and PUBLIC internet, rather than an internet of restrictions concerning who can send and who can receive, and who can look at, and who can publish what.

    3. Re:Shoot the messenger by rednox · · Score: 1

      You raise some interesting points. You're right that we should carefully choose what we support.

      However, you are doing exactly what you accuse the article of.

      Your post is factless. You should give some examples of what you are complaining about, rather than just complain.

      There also doesn't seem to be a lot of connection between your points. What exactly does anti-drug propaganda have to do with this? It's unclear if you are comparing the Privacy International Report, the Register article or government restrictions and monitoring of the Internet to anti-drug propoganda.

      I'm not saying that you're lying, but if you don't want us to think you are exagerating, back up your assertions.

    4. Re:Shoot the messenger by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 1

      Your post makes no sense. Is it not clear that monitoring means that some organization is actively attempting to track what you are doing? Is the word "restrictions" confusing? Is it not clear that restrictions are things that stop you from doing something else? The only "conflict" I see between the two is that if there are no restrictions, then we cannot stop people from being monitored. But that is sophistry. I didn't say there shouldn't be any restrictions or monitoring - just a minimum. I would also say that it is clear that I am talking about imposing these restrictions and monitoring as part of the system. If I want to encrypt my transmission over the internet, I am not restricting people from monitoring my transmission, I'm just making it that much more difficult. Besides, monitoring, in this context, is generally not talking about an individual attempting to track someone else's activities, it is talking about an organization systematically, and in many cases, as an organizationally goal, attempting to monitor people, etc. Sorry for the meandering on this one - I'm so confused by your confusion, it's hard to be concise and clear.

      By the way, why do you people post anonymously anyway? I almost feel like I should bother with people who are anonymous. What's the point?

    5. Re:Shoot the messenger by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 1

      Would the word "desirable" make more sense? I mean, I don't think I understand your confusion on this one....

    6. Re:Shoot the messenger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People don't continue to use drugs because they're illegal. They may try drugs because they are illegal, but they stick with them for one of two reasons:

      1. The drug is addictive, oops.

      2. The drug is good.

    7. Re:Shoot the messenger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good as in the 3 cups of coffee I have in the morning to get through work, or the Xanax that I take to keep from going crazy on the airplane, or the glass or two of merlot I have with dinner that keeps me mild enough to not bring up my son's dreadlocks and his use of the word "fatty". Fucking A... I need some real drugs. That would be good.

    8. Re:Shoot the messenger by RevSmiley · · Score: 1

      I vote for #2

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    9. Re:Shoot the messenger by symbolic · · Score: 1


      The effects and consequences of drug use (not including those used for medicinal purposes) are often far from "good". Therein lies my confusion.

  7. Sisyphus by handy_vandal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    " ... it's quite evident that we've not only approached but started down a slippery slope.

    I prefer to think in terms of approaching and starting up the slippery slope of liberty ... rather like the labors of Sisyphus. The bad guys keep making the slope steeper and slipperier ... and the damned rock heavier ....

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  8. just a quick comment by Shymon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    first off, no i haven't read the thing yet, just felt the need to say something on the whole privacy on the net thing. There will always be a balance between safety and freedom. in this case that freedom being our privacy. with absolute privacy any number of bad things can arise that we didn't intend. for example truly anonymous file servers could distribute kiddy porn or credit card and social security numbers at will, after all with perfect privacy there would be no way to trace them. and also having no privacy is also a very bad idea for reasons to obvious to state. so the balance is somewhere in the middle and, as i understand it from the article summary, it is simplu shifting in the direction of less privacy. what we really have to ask is if we want this greater safty at the cost of some of our privacy? which is most definately not a cut and dry problem in and of itself. so sorry about not having a factoid about some part of the article but i just wanted a balanced counterpoint to the inevitable bashing of the loss of privacy on the net.

    1. Re:just a quick comment by Frit+Mock · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't misunderstand this, but the redistribution of kiddy porn is a minor problem and tracking down people distributing it does not realy help much.
      The real big problem is the PRODUCTION of these things and regulation/monitoring on the net would have to be realy orwellian like, to help fighting the root of the problem for your example.

      Are you willing to give up (almost) all of your privacy, to help in a successful fight against kiddy porn, that solves this problem in its root?

      It is very difficult to find the right balance!

    2. Re:just a quick comment by canajin56 · · Score: 1

      Bah, when they do bust kiddy porn rings, pedophile rings, child sex slave rings, nobody gets in trouble. Because there are too many big names on their client list. There was a big bust in Denmark, I believe. Guy had two girls, 10 and 12, starving to death in his basement, who had been repeatedly sexually abused. There were the remains of several other children in his back yard. And he had a big list of names, including a lot of politicians and judges and police officers and foreign officials. Of course, this list of names proves nothing, so it was disgarded. And the guy got a year. Soon as he was out, girls started disappearing again. There was a big protest, most of the country walked off the job. But in the end, what can you do? Armed revolution?

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  9. Abuse of the Legal System by ratamacue · · Score: 4, Interesting
    corporate abuse of the legal system

    Remember, corporations only abuse the legal system because they can. The root of the problem is government, and the fact that government has the ability to continuously expand government year after year without limit. The bigger the government, the more complex, ambiguous, and exploitable the law. The solution is to eliminate the powers of government that make it possible -- not to expand government even more via regulation, taxing, etc (all of which are guaranteed to be exploited too). We need to impose strict limits on the scope and expense of government, or the system will continue to be exploited by its very nature.

    1. Re:Abuse of the Legal System by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well, try voting. Make the change. The government means you and I in the USA, at least.

    2. Re:Abuse of the Legal System by mrtroy · · Score: 1

      Silly rabbit! Voting is for the minority!

      If the majority of Americans voted, the sun would explode. And not with skittles.
      Product placement - 5$
      Censor THAT

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    3. Re:Abuse of the Legal System by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 1

      Whoops. And I just thought I was challenging people to open their mind and see the world for what it is. My mistake.

    4. Re:Abuse of the Legal System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's a rather typical Conservative viewpoint. "Regulation causes loopholes, so just lift the regulations. Corporations will behave themselves. Honest!"

      Bullshit. Tacitus doesn't know everything, you know.

      While I don't advocate *more* government, I do advocate the restriction of corporate rights as they are "applied" to the Constitution. Corporations aren't given the power...They take it, and the government is too scared or corrupt to take it back.

    5. Re:Abuse of the Legal System by mikelu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Reducing government will solve the problem, but not in the way you think. Corporations won't exploit the law anymore, because they won't have to--they'll be able to exploit the people directly.

      How much do you think your electricity, water, and telephone services would cost without government regulation?

      We're making progress as long as we force them to spend huge amounts of time and money crawling through loopholes, which are finite in number and closed at very little cost.

      The real solution is to return government to its original intended state: By the people, for the people.

      The current policy of running using the government to further the interests of the rich and powerful has to end.

    6. Re:Abuse of the Legal System by ratamacue · · Score: 1
      How much do you think your electricity, water, and telephone services would cost without government regulation?

      A lot less than they do now, because without government standing in the way, competition would flourish. Competition drives the market price down. Remember, public utilities are essentially monopolies created and sustatined through the force of government. Monopolies have no incentive to provide efficient service or reduce prices; after all, the customer only has one choice.

    7. Re:Abuse of the Legal System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Government monopolies also ensure that services are distributed fairly and equally. The telcos only run line to rural areas because the government makes them do it.

    8. Re:Abuse of the Legal System by mikelu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I doubt anything I can say will change your deeply ingrained worldview, but here are a few points for consideration:

      1) An entirely free market tends towards a state of monopoly. Businesses will tend to conglomerate and use "unfair" tactics to keep their market share. Anti-trust is the only thing in this country preventing 100% monopoly. There is a wealth of evidence supporting this. Look at any major products/services...the majority of market share is usually dominated by two competing companies. By merging, they could create a monopoly and charge whatever prices they want. Their profits would go through the roof. Why haven't they done this? Anti-Trust. The Federal Trade Commission blocks numerous mergers yearly, preserving competition and protecting the consumer.

      2) Utilities are unique in the sense that it is inherently difficult to compete in a utility market. Just consider electricity. To move in onto this market, a company would have to construct a separate power grid. Chances are slim that the existing electricity supplier would allow the use of theirs. Competing in the water/sewage utility market would require building another set of pipes. No one in his right mind would try to do this...it would probably be cheaper just to acquire the current company with the monopoly.

      3) Utiliy monopolies are regulated by the local governments. They are prevented from charging the consumer exorbitant prices. In some areas, the company owning the telephone lines is forced to allow competitors to use their proprietary network at reasonable, compulsory rates. All to protect the consumer.

    9. Re:Abuse of the Legal System by replicant108 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This argument, while popular with ideologists, is deeply flawed, for it assumes that corporations have no intrinsic power.

      It has been proven time and again that, without government restraint, corporations will act to form cartels and monopolies that control the prices of goods and services. They can also control wages in a similar fashion. And the only thing stopping them from completely co-opting elected representatives through bribery is legislation (ineffective as it often is).

      The proposed solution of free-market idealogues, of replacing elected power with purchased power is rotten to the core. It is the solution that Plato called 'oligarchy', and is nothing more than the rule of the rich. The problems with such a system should be obvious not only to students of history, but also to anyone currently living in the western world.

    10. Re:Abuse of the Legal System by pmz · · Score: 1

      How much do you think your electricity, water, and telephone services would cost without government regulation?

      Er, how does 5 cents a minute sound?

      This isn't a matter of absolute regulation or absolutely no regulation, only a matter of reducing regulation as much as possible. It is arguable that nearly all regulation can be done away with, as all of it really is a variation on a theme: don't lie cheat steal or murder. It shouldn't take millions of pages of federal law to state that.

  10. Re:whoa, boy, whoa! by bildstorm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's see how long my free speech rights seem to last when, despite not acting or doing anything illegal, I get detained for detailing how to disable airport security.

    It doesn't matter if I say it or write it for people to make corrections. Someone COULD use it, and hence my free speech will be nullfied.

    China and Burma can't be leading an attack when they are maintaining the same policies they've had in place. The US and UK can when they start forcing other countries to crack down on such publications, both for security reasons, the MPAA, the RIAA, etc. Remember DeCSS?

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    The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. - G.B. Shaw
  11. What is censorship? by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This article seems to confuse the distinction between monitoring, censorship, and invasive monitoring.


    I have no problem with the government search websites and public areas of the internet. But, the line has to be drawn there. Without a warrant, the policing authorities should have the same right as an individual, as in looking into what is clearly visible. But, getting into snooping e-mail or hacking systems they must have a warrant, issued by a judge without rubber stamp.


    This is clearly different from censorship which is the prevention of publication of materials. Of course, you have a potential for censorship where you allow for a non-checked police checking identities of posters.

    1. Re:What is censorship? by symbolic · · Score: 1

      Censorship can come in many forms. Intimidation, for example, can be a form of censorship. While it doesn't include specific measures to prevent publication, the fear that one or more people might have of any ensuing consequences can be its own form of censorship. It's indirect, but it can be very effective.

  12. Too many issues for a simple solution by Polymath+Crowbane · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Unfortunately, this is about much more than Internet privacy. There are at least two major issues that are going to make solutions especially difficult:

    Whose ox is being gored? There is little consistency in the positions and posturings of those involved in the privacy debate. For example, we believe in freedom of expression on the Internet...except for those who promulgate hate speech (which is defined as speech I find offensive). We believe in respecting the privacy of those on the Net...except for those who I believe are abusing the Net (they're fair game for any abuse I choose to heap on them).

    National sovreignty: There seems to be two approaches to this: national sovreignty applies to every nation, except, of course, those nations with policies I don't like; and national sovreignty applies to no one, except, of course, those evil transnationals (and any other organization I don't like) who need to be under the sovreignty of every country.

    Emerson said, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds." It would appear that consistency of any kind is the hobgoblin of all of us. What this means is that there is no one-size-fits-all solution, just as there is no one-size-fits-all ideologies. We are going to have struggle together to arrive at workable solutions. We're going to have to listen to those with whom we disagree and work together to create the best compromise we can.

    1. Re:Too many issues for a simple solution by Sphere1952 · · Score: 1

      "There is little consistency in the positions and posturings of those involved in the privacy debate. For example, we believe in freedom of expression on the Internet...except for those who promulgate hate speech (which is defined as speech I find offensive). We believe in respecting the privacy of those on the Net...except for those who I believe are abusing the Net (they're fair game for any abuse I choose to heap on them)."

      I don't know about anyone else, but I'm being completely consistent. The hate speech, the kiddie porn, the terrorists, all of them have just as much right to use the net as I do, but I don't have to have anything to do with them.

      I believe in completely free speech, but I also believe in freedom of association. I've got the right to find ways of avoiding people with views of which I disapprove. I don't have the right to stop them from expressing their views.

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    2. Re:Too many issues for a simple solution by zaphodbblx · · Score: 1

      Wow.... Personaly I think the only thing that should be restricted from the net are "things" like kiddie porn and snuff. in other words where someones rights ARE being violated in the act of production. As far as hate speech, I dont believe in thought police so hate away! Any how trying to crush groups like that tends to lend them cashe. In the case of National sovreignty id say what? I thought the us was the only country allowed to claim that(sarcasm intended)

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    3. Re:Too many issues for a simple solution by Politburo · · Score: 1

      For example, we believe in freedom of expression on the Internet...except for those who promulgate hate speech

      Who is we? There are many of us that understand free speech means free speech for all, whether we like it or not.

  13. Like GWB would say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ""The Register reports that Internet restrictions, government secrecy and communications surveillance have reached an unprecedented level across the world, from 9/11-inspired Patriot-esque laws to national internet filtering and corporate abuse of the legal system. Summarizing the Privacy International report, it's quite evident that we've not only approached but started down a slippery slope. In the words of Simon Davies (director of Privacy Intl.), 'The report sounds a warning that we must move quickly to preserve the remaining freedoms on the Internet before they are systematically extinguished.'"
    why do you hate America so much?

  14. The technology curve by heironymouscoward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Makes the discussion a little out of date.

    Anyone who wants to hide information or communicate securely can. Governments are trying very hard to keep up with the technological curve but IMHO they are falling behind, not moving ahead of it.

    It's not so obvious for western countries because we're right in the middle of the action, but it's clearer when you look at regimes like China, Vietnam, etc. where Internet access is seen as subversive (goddamn right it is!) and tightly controlled. Well, every time they block one route, another few routes open up.

    P2P illustrates the problem for controlling authorities fairly well. Technology is now so pervasive and powerful that any attempt to repress the flow of information simply generates multiple new communication routes. Human ingenuity is incredibly hard to suppress, and the more you try, the more it resists.

    The only way governments can regain control of the Internet is to license every connection and shoot or imprison every programmer. This is kind of unlikely.

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    1. Re:The technology curve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. When ARPA originally developed what is now the internet they designed a bomb proof network with no single point of weakness, massive redundancy and route around capabilities, encryption protocols, reliable transfer and so on.

      Its no good the 'authorities' bleating about information control, its too late. The genie is out of the bottle. A good thing too. Once again those who would subvery human freedom are hoisted by their own rope.

  15. Since we are in a state of war... by zymano · · Score: 0

    What would you have the government do ?

    There are still some alchaeda(spelling) terrorists in this country.

    I have zero problem with what they are doing to defend this country.

    Remember one thing . These terrorists hate this nation because it is so open and free .

    1. Re:Since we are in a state of war... by barryfandango · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I laugh every time I hear GWB use the phrase "enemies of freedom" or "those who hate our freedom." Has anybody in the U.S. thought this through? How can you hate freedom? How could you hate somebody for being free? The concept of freedom is intrinsically good. Are they jealous of your freedom? No, they hate it. It doesn't make any sense.

      Imagining that these people "Hate Freedom" - an abstract concept - is as moronic as declaring "War on Terror." Ockham's razor would suggest that their hatred has more to do with your despicable actions in their homelands.

      Terrorists don't hate freedom. They hate America, and with good reason. That's what nobody wants to talk about.



      qualification: they have good reason to hate america, but there's no excuse for terrorist acts.

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      In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane. -Oscar Wilde
    2. Re:Since we are in a state of war... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How can you hate freedom? How could you hate somebody for being free? The concept of freedom is intrinsically good

      You can hate freedom if that freedom will place you and your buddies in a body bag. In this way, Saddam hated freedom. The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia hates freedom. A Saudi people free to do as they will would have his (and the rest of the royal families') head on a pike faster than you can say FOIA.

    3. Re:Since we are in a state of war... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      qualification: they have good reason to hate America, but there's no excuse for terrorist acts.


      I agree. When 5% of the world's population is responsible for consuming over 50% of the worlds annual available resources by one account I've heard of, it's no surprise Americans and America in general are considered a parriah in certain parts of the world. Such animostity is even taking place inside America such as the recent high-profile, big-ticket acts of vandalism that have occurred within its borders. Added to that, terrorists are convinced they have to kill people to get attention to their cause. To counteract this, they must be convinced that martyrdom, as they practice it, is a totally unacceptable solution to their grievences. The best way to solve this mess would be for the leaders ultimately involved in this imbroglio to somehow meet secretly together and work out a real, lasting, 100% *verifiable* peace plan in order to stop all the senseless violence and bloodshed that is going on in the world today. If things don't work out, all the leaders involved must do the following: step down from office, have their administration peacefully replaced by another one, and the clandestinely orchestrated peace process resumed again anew with no outside interference!

      As a side note, I'd like to add the following grim observation: People must die in large numbers in some needlessly tragic event before there can be real change in public safety. Look no further than the events of 2001-09-11 in America for the latest, bigest, most macabre, yet spectacular validation of this observation. If all people everywhere in the world treated public safety like their own lives depended on it and individually took the appropriate measures to do so, then there won't be another day of such attrocity anywhere in the world.

      Tired of the status quo?...DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE ABOUT IT NOW!

  16. I just don't totally agree by cavemanf16 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While there may have been all kinds of laws enacted that are pretty ridiculous, there will eventually be an equilibrium reached that is close to fair, but never perfectly fair for those involved. What I mean to say is that the "Internet" and its use will be regulated, there's no if's, and's, or but's about it. Everything gets regulated. Which is why I think humanity is always pushing forward to explore the next frontier, be it in medicine, robotics, communications, travel, etc.

    Think of some of the first automobiles. Flimsy, worked only part of the time, accident prone, unsafe, etc. and yet Americans and indeed the world embraced the new technology of the 'horseless' carriage with gusto once Henry Ford introduced a cheap way to manufacture and build them so that the masses could use them. The world economy benefitted from this new technology immensely.

    Yeah, some of our "freedoms" on the Internet have eroded TOO much, but eventually some semblance of order will be acheived, and off us techies and 'explorers' will go to challenge the Next Big Thing.

    I think this fundemental idea is why the Star Trek series has been so popular: it focuses on that "explorer" spirit. While most of the acting is corny at best, and some of the scripts downright absurd, we're drawn to "exploring the new frontier" theme.

    I, for one, welcome our new regulatory overlords.

  17. Watch Fox News lots, eh? by bildstorm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Terrorists do not hate this nation because it is so open and free (perhaps some individuals, but not organizations as a whole). Most organizations, include al-Qaeda, operate against the US in response to our policies overseas.

    I'm still shocked at how shocked people wer on September 11, 2001, considering that four planes were hijacked under far more secure scenarios on September 9, 1970. Since then terrorists when from shooting and capturing to suicide bombing. It's called desperation, and when over a generation passes without anyone improving your lot in life and a large power continues to support dictatorships and power inequalities near your home, dialogue is lost and action is the only possiblity.

    I hate the actions of the terrorists, but I hate more a government that creates no opportunities for dialogue in other countries and doesn't respect their original sovereignty nor their human rights.

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    1. Re:Watch Fox News lots, eh? by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      The key word is "dialogue" Someone has to be reasonable before you can reason with them.

    2. Re:Watch Fox News lots, eh? by NearlyHeadless · · Score: 1
      I hate the actions of the terrorists, but I hate more a government that creates no opportunities for dialogue in other countries and doesn't respect their original sovereignty nor their human rights.
      What inane bullshit. Osama bin Laden isn't interested in "human rights." His main beef with the U.S. was that we had troops in the Arabian "holy land." This would be like Catholics bombing us because we had troops in Italy, near Rome. It's pure religious fanaticism.

      Bin Laden wants the Arabian government to be more like the Taliban: more repressive, more religious, not less.

      The U.S. troops were in Saudia Arabia at the request of the government to protect the kindgom from invasion by Iraq. I don't what you mean by "original sovereignty."

    3. Re:Watch Fox News lots, eh? by bildstorm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bullshit is refuting 30 years with only two events. The U.S. supported Saddam, supports the Saudi royal family, supports Israeli oppression of Palestinians. When people get angry they often react irrationally. If the "Great Western Democracy" is keeping people poor, making people lose their homes, and promoting the killing of Arabs, then something else will be sought to stand in opposition.

      This was one of the reasons for shifting government through the Cold War, as opposition embraced the opposing superpower, not due to similar ideology, but simply due to support of opposition to the status quo.

      Oh yeah, and didn't the US train Osama bin Laden and all the other foreign nationals fighting the Soviet Army? Play with others as pawns, and pretty soon you'll find them on the other side of the board, coming after you.

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    4. Re:Watch Fox News lots, eh? by setzman · · Score: 1
      Oh yeah, and didn't the US train Osama bin Laden and all the other foreign nationals fighting the Soviet Army?

      The official word from the CIA denies this ever happened. Obviously, most people have heard otherwise. If you have some sources this can be based on, please reply.

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    5. Re:Watch Fox News lots, eh? by bildstorm · · Score: 1

      Official word from CIA denies a lot of things. Hence, they're not a credible source, either. (Really, we didn't kill that man. Really. It's called 'plausible deniability'.)

      I've watched a BBC documentary or two that have pointed in that direction, and heard rumor and speculation out of Foggy Bottom before that was similar as well.

      Reality is that until all those things would no longer be considered of threat to national security by DCI, they'll never be fully known nor released by the CIA.

      Remember, we still have docs from WWII that have been released somewhat, albeit with big black marks on them.

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    6. Re:Watch Fox News lots, eh? by barryfandango · · Score: 1

      The CIA may deny specifically training Bin Laden, but it is common knowledge that they supplied the Afghans with weapons and training to fight the soviets. There is also no argument that they gave weapons to Saddam Hussein to fight Iran, and weapons to Iran to fight Iraq.

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    7. Re:Watch Fox News lots, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      The U.S. troops were in Saudia Arabia at the request of the government to protect the kindgom from invasion by Iraq.

      Almost right, so...WRONG!

      The threat was a lie. USA stated: "Iraq amassing troops along Saudi border." It wasn't true, as satellite images revealed.

    8. Re:Watch Fox News lots, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I beg to differ. There are terrorists that hate us because we are so open and free. We allows Jews to exists, we do business with Israel because they are like minded in many ways with us. They hate us for that.

      I think this bullshit about upsetting them and our foreign policy is a load. We pump more money in to those countries than anybody else. If they don't want our money then they should attack their governments and stop selling us oil. It's not our policy that keeps them poor, it's theirs. Capitalism is funny though, everybody is greedy enough at some point.

      I think you're wrong about respecting the sovereigtry of other countries. If anything we respect it too much. We should do business with human rights abusers but we also allow other countries to run themselves. There are terrorists in the middle east because they stopped progressing with the rest of the world when society was invented; it's a bunch of tribalist nation states that all hate Jews and believe that might makes right. If anything we should have started cleaning house there along time ago, the only problem is that when they aren't hating jews the fucking islamic nazis kill each other!

      Don't blame this on the US. If the US isn't supposed to police the world then is certainly isn't responsible for civilizing it either.

    9. Re:Watch Fox News lots, eh? by NearlyHeadless · · Score: 1
      There is also no argument that they gave weapons to Saddam Hussein to fight Iran, and weapons to Iran to fight Iraq.
      The U.S. was an insignificant supplier of arms to Iraq (less than 1%). Iraq bought weapons mainly from the Soviet Union and France.

      As for Iran, as far as I am aware the only arms that the U.S. sold after the Shah fell was those that were part of the "arms for hostages" deal.

      And besides, what is the point of this? If we helped bin Laden earlier, that makes me want to kill the ungrateful bastard even more. I guess the point you people are trying to make is that whatever happens, it's America's fault. If we are for Israel and against the Arabs, then they hate us. On the other hand, if we help them against the Russians, it's our fault, too, because, well, um, er, it just is.

    10. Re:Watch Fox News lots, eh? by barryfandango · · Score: 1

      "If we are for Israel and against the Arabs, then they hate us. On the other hand, if we help them against the Russians, it's our fault, too, because, well, um, er, it just is."

      Exactly. What you're not seeing here is the third option, keeping to yourself and staying out of the business of other nations.

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    11. Re:Watch Fox News lots, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Terrorists do not hate this nation because it is so open and free (perhaps some individuals, but not organizations as a whole). Most organizations, include al-Qaeda, operate against the US in response to our policies overseas.

      99% of terrorists hate the US because that is the only form of political dissent in their respective nations that will not result in imprisonment or death.

      There's another article on /. whining about the rich/poor gap in the US. Well take a look at the gap in the countries that breed most anti-US terrorists (Saudi, Egypt, Syria, Yemem, etc). In those countries, a frustrated young man that channels his anger at the US is praised, but the one who channels it at his own government is imprisoned or hanged.

      Hitler had the Jews to rally the German people against (blame the Jews for all of our problems). Today's Middle Eastern dictators/kings have the US to blame (and yes, the US props up many of these regimes, but certainly not most).

    12. Re:Watch Fox News lots, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. What you're not seeing here is the third option, keeping to yourself and staying out of the business of other nations.

      There are two additional options:

      1) Act as a mediator between two or more squabbling parties without giving any particular party in the matter any advantage
      over the other(s)--no ulterior motives!

      2) Rather than arm and fund a weak nation in their fight against a stronger one, convince the stronger one to leave the weaker nation alone in peace and respect their sovereignty. Of course, if the stronger two nations have WMDs the end results could be utter MADness! To avoid such a horrendous outcome, the only other alternative would be to organize a peacefull boycott against the unreasonable stronger nation by all other non-involved nations on behalf of the oppressed weaker nation--a policy of constructive, non-violent protest and solidarity.

      For real change without bloodshed and destruction, 'hurt' then economically for a just cause that is free of ulterior motives!

  18. Internet Tax Ban by kneecarrot · · Score: 1

    Well... at least the powers that be are considering an Internet tax ban... that's a step in the right direction: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2003- 07-31-tax-ban-advances_x.htm

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  19. Enough Already by Orne · · Score: 2

    The United States is not the source of the world's problems! I'm getting really sick and tired of "editorial journalists" who are so eager to dump on the USA that they don't bother to focus on the areas of the world where there are REAL problems:

    "The report notes numerous instances where Internet users have been jailed by authorities for posting or hosting political material. Such countries include Egypt, China and a number of Middle Eastern countries where the Internet is tightly controlled and heavily monitored."

    Now, it's time for the world to make a serious decision. If we're going to keep putting our chips in with the United Nations, maybe it's time for the United Nations to step in and start acting against these fascist governments, and demand some real reforms. That's what the UN is for, for governments to get together, come up with some common laws, and rule when some nations are in contempt of those laws. And we find the same nations are violating their citizens rights over and over, and the UN does nothing. Then we have nations crying "Why won't the USA step in?" See Monrovia, Liberia... But the US doesn't want to be "the policeman of the world", yet we seem to be drug into that role over and over.

    Last time I checked, noone in the united states is prevented from legally acquiring any information they desire... you can get government records, money trails, electronic information, anything. We cry that there "might" be some infringement, yet we can't seem to find any evidence of some widespread conspiracy that the government is tracking our interests. But that doesn't stop our own media from trying to tear it down. It just saddens me that the Slashdot staff can't seem to separate their personal beliefs from "news".

    1. Re:Enough Already by arcanumas · · Score: 1
      I think you don't know what the UN is for:
      Here, take a look
      I think the idea alone of many US citizens that USA should distance itself from the UN because the UN "does not do what it should" is VERY alarming.
      Yes, you can dismandle the UN by simply disregarding it's decisions and opinions (that is all it takes) , but then there is NO international body to protect peace. Then we only have the US who SAY they protect peace but , as any nation, you look after your interests. Do you think that this will improve your relations with the rest of the world. Do you think this is a decision that will stabilize the world?
      I think not.

      I am sorry to go so off-topic.

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    2. Re:Enough Already by mikelu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If we're going to keep putting our chips in with the United Nations, maybe it's time for the United Nations to step in and start acting against these fascist governments, and demand some real reforms.

      We aren't putting our chips in with the UN. Ever wonder why they weren't helping us in Iraq? We didn't want them there. Nations in the UN wanted equal jurisdiction over the reconstruction of Iraq in return for aid in the invasion, etc. The current administration, however, wanted full control and declared that it would go it alone.

      That's what the UN is for, for governments to get together, come up with some common laws, and rule when some nations are in contempt of those laws.

      Unfortunately, the UN will remain useless as long as the world's remaining superpower continues to rebuff any attempt at international consensus. The current administration has withdrawn or is violating numerous international treaties. One of these is the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC), which sets up an international court to prosecute war crimes. In fact, the administration has announced that it will use means of force to "rescue" any American that is prosecuted before such a court.

    3. Re:Enough Already by jpetts · · Score: 4, Informative

      Last time I checked, noone in the united states is prevented from legally acquiring any information they desire... you can get government records, money trails, electronic information, anything.

      Oh yeah? Well how about the government's attempts to stop this happening: in this report you can see how John Ashcrofy has been trying to undermine the FOIA. Choice quotes, one from the reporter:

      " In a memo that slipped beneath the political radar, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft vigorously urged federal agencies to resist most Freedom of Information Act requests made by American citizens."

      and a quote from Ashcroft's memo, which memo is the subject of the article:

      "When you carefully consider FOIA requests and decide to withhold records, in whole or in part, you can be assured that the Department of Justice will defend your decisions unless they lack a sound legal basis or present an unwarranted risk of adverse impact on the ability of other agencies to protect other important records."

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    4. Re:Enough Already by MKalus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now, it's time for the world to make a serious decision. If we're going to keep putting our chips in with the United Nations, maybe it's time for the United Nations to step in and start acting against these fascist governments, and demand some real reforms. That's what the UN is for, for governments to get together, come up with some common laws, and rule when some nations are in contempt of those laws. And we find the same nations are violating their citizens rights over and over, and the UN does nothing. Then we have nations crying "Why won't the USA step in?" See Monrovia, Liberia... But the US doesn't want to be "the policeman of the world", yet we seem to be drug into that role over and over.

      Noble noble noble, until you start looking in the way for example the USA is acting in their own self interrest.

      The problem with the UN is that it doesn't have any real power. It is not much more than an assembly hall, and the biggest bully of the all decides to ignore them at will. That's the problem. The only way the UN could work is if it had a military power of it's own. Troops that are not under the command of any specific country but at the disposal of the UN itself. That doesn't happen though and it won't happen. Where would you base them? Where would you get them from? How could you make certain that the troops would be loyal to the UN?

      The (current) US Administration doens't care about the UN unless it gives the US some benefit, most countries don't want to put up with this anymore as can now be seen in Iraq.

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    5. Re:Enough Already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Nations in the UN wanted equal jurisdiction over the reconstruction of Iraq in return for aid in the invasion, etc. "

      Bullshit- you are talking about what happened after the fact.
      There was no way France or Germany was going to participate in overthrowing Saddams regime so your point about "full control" is pointless.
      They were offered option to go with us but they flatly refused.
      Fuck them.

    6. Re:Enough Already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The (current) US Administration doens't care about the UN unless it gives the US some benefit,"

      What the fuck is wrong with that ?
      You do realize that we elect our officials ( that includes Bush and others) to take care of OUR fucking interests ?
      Why would I want Bush to worry about some fucking Tonga ?

    7. Re:Enough Already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The (current) US Administration doens't care about the UN unless it gives the US some benefit, most countries don't want to put up with this anymore as can now be seen in Iraq.

      Name 1 (one) country that goes along with the UN when it is against their interets.

      If a country votes in favor of a UN policy that on the surface appears to go against said nation's interest, you can bet that there is a side deal that will benefit said nation in the long run.

  20. Not surprising. by freidog · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The government inevitably wants to control information. Well, i should say everyone wants to control it (i want everything written/said about me to be glowing and wonderful, don't you?), the government just has the power to do so.

    Today the 'free' western governmnets want to monitor people who visit web sites that encourage, or assist in 'terrorism.' (as defined by the government)
    Tommorrow, in the instrest of national security those same sites will be 'restricted access only.'
    After all, the leap from monitoring information (in this case those who view it) to restricting it is a short one.

    And then we've started down that slipperly slope between free exchange of ideas and security, and with all that is happening in the world, the government might have the people just scared enough to follow them down it.

  21. led a global attack on free speech on the net? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how so?

    the gov has always monitored (passively) everyone...now they're just being open about it...would you really prefer not to know??

    corporations have always blocked sites and filtered things...again nothing new, also i sure as hell wouldn't want to be working look up and see the person across from me looking at gay midget porn, talk about blowing your whole damn day....

    the US, unlike China, is not blocking sites because they feel like the "party" would be threatened to it....you can still basically say/post what you want, unless of course it's something clearly defined as illegal (like kiddy porn)....

    mark me as a troll if you want but things have not changed that much & of course our rights must still be kept a close eye on but there are still plenty of america = evil sites out there & think about it wouldn't those be the 1st sties to be banned if there really was a major attack on free speech?

  22. phLAMEon, mynuts won, yet again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    va lairIE/robbIE et AL, making the wwworld safe for '$tuff that matter$', no matter what?

  23. Your balance is a dangerous one. by lysium · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I can meet someone at a diner, and swap porn and credit card numbers to my hearts content. Should resturant booths come equipped with audio/visual recorders to protect against this threat?

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  24. Privacy, since when? by Richthofen80 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't remember ever clicking the EULA for the internet's privacy. I think that's because it doesn't exist.

    Internet access is something you buy. You don't have any privileges except for the ones extended to you by your ISP. If your ISP agrees to monitor/share/provide information, well, its no different than the post office giving your address to the FBI, or the RMV. If I own a small business and the FBI/CIA/FDA wants to know if John Doe was there, and what he bought, I'll let them know. The same process is true of the net. Suspcious activity is reported. That's the way it goes.

    Internet access is not anonymous. STILL.

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  25. Top Secret Government Secret Counter by Chineseyes · · Score: 0

    ...Simultaneously, governments have become more secretive about their own activities... I love that part last time I checked we don't really know government secrets since they are after all secrets so I would assume we wouldn't know how many there are past and present and therefore don't know if it has increased. I agree with a good portion of the article but lets not be foolish any government is going to have secrets cause people in general have dirty ugly secrets, don't like it claim a piece of land near the center of Antarctica setup a tent and wait for the ice to melt I hear there is a government secret that "big oil" has secret bases there for when ice caps melt off then they will diversify into Real Estate, but of course these people knew that.

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  26. Trasaparent Society Yadda Yadda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While I am opposed to the draconian regulation of the internet, I'm not convinced calling for privacy is sensible.

    After all, what you want most from government and corporations is accountability. And you don't get that if they are allowed keep secrets - which is what privacy is.

    Might be better to just say "you have NO right to privacy, but neither do governments and corporations".

  27. Making laws is one thing... by i_r_sensitive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's all well and good to legislate whatever your little heart desires. But, if the legislation is unenforceable, or a loose framework of loopholes...

    As an example, when the FTC introduced the centralized DNC list, and introduced new legislation setting requirements for telemarketing. One company manufacturing servers for this activity re-coded their application to work through the loopholes in the law. Another company in the same industry worked to ensure that their equipment would operate within the law.

    The point is this, without the legislation, neither company would likely have altered their products. The legislation did produce some action on the part of both companies. However, in all cases the reaction was not the intended or desired reaction.

    Yes, this is a technological problem, and must be fixed that way, occasionally though legislation is the event which provides the impetus of change.

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  28. Privacy Overrated by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't care if everyone knows what I ate yesterday, or where I went, or who I fucked, or how much money I have.

    I DO care if I don't know these things about anyone else, but some organization with goals I'm unaware of knows them about me and everyone else.

    We don't need privacy, and frankly, we don't have it. What we need is transparency. Transparency leads to knowledge, wisdom, justice and tolerance. Monitoring by secret organizations, however, leads to ignorance, injustice, control, and fear.

    If you're fighting for privacy, you're fighting the wrong fight.

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    1. Re:Privacy Overrated by Kenja · · Score: 1

      Ok, you go first. Post all your information on line. Stick a web cam in every room in your house and list your credit card info on Slashdot. Until you do that your just talking out of your hypocritical ass.

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    2. Re:Privacy Overrated by debest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This sounds great, in theory. It would be wonderful if our entire society was based on the premise that we don't need to keep secrets, that we can trust everyone with the most basic information of our lives. Unfortunately, we don't. We live in a world of people who will use our information to benefit themselves at the expense of us.

      It comes down to choice. I want to be free to choose to reveal what I want about myself. Eventually, we may all choose that we want to have total transparency, as you suggest. I agree, the world will be a wonderful place when that happens: it means that we will, by nature of mankind's maturity, no longer fear others doing harm to us.

      But until we are all ready for such a world, I value privacy. What others don't know about me, can't harm me: what others do know about you, can harm you. Let's look at your example:

      I don't care if everyone knows what I ate yesterday, or where I went, or who I fucked, or how much money I have.

      Really? You don't think you will ever come into contact with someone who has power over you (boss, landlord, banker, cop, etc.) and is swayed by their personal biases?
      - Someone who is a zealous vegetarian (assuming you ate a steak)?
      - Someone who hates Asians (assuming you went to Chinatown)?
      - Someone who is a prude (assuming you fucked someone who is not your wife)?
      - Someone who thinks you spend too much money (assuming your savings are not in line with your income)?
      You *really* don't care if these people know everything about you? You trust in your fellow citizens that much?

      I agree with your comment of secret organizations holding your information, and how this is a bad thing. It is also a bad thing for commercial and personal interests to have the same access. For now, I prefer to do what is required to maintain my privacy from *all* of these sources!

      I'll fight for privacy until we no longer require it!

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    3. Re:Privacy Overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a difference there - the web cam thing implies expenditure. While I don't beleive anyone should have a right to privacy, if someone wants to watch me, they should bear the cost.

      The credit card thing is fundamentally flawed - the whole credit card system depends on a degree of secrecy. I'd be perfectly willing to list my credit card info on /. if the banks used a sensible authentication scheme. But they don't. In fact, banks really screw up this sort of thing. Think of the american SSN. That is a NAME. It's unique to you, identifies you, and sticks with you for a very long time. Yet banks often use it as PASSWORD - a secret which authenticates you. Cryptographic science shows that passwords shoulde be transient and secret for security. The SSN is the exact opposite, and that's why the powers that be already 0wn your ass if they so wish.

  29. Moderators bought your sap by zymano · · Score: 0

    The terrorists don't like the U.S. because they don't like the culture because they are religous fanatics of lowest intelligence. Bin Ludite doesn't like the U.s because they have troops in his homeland and probably a billion other reasons . I would include economic jealousy across the arab countries.

    Don't point to just one example and say thats the reason.

  30. Stupid Security Contest by Dashing+Leech · · Score: 2, Informative

    What I found more interesting at the end of the article was the link to the Stupid Security Contest winners. My favorite winner is the Gunpowder Tea one because you think you know the outcome, but then it becomes even more baffling.

  31. I'll do it for him by IthnkImParanoid · · Score: 3, Informative

    That has to be one of the most frustratingly vague article I've ever read; it's far below normal post-to-slashdot standards, and that's saying quite a bit.

    The development of the Internet has lead to more horizontal and less vertical communication

    Huh? What does this mean, and how is it relevant?

    This study has found that censorship of the Internet is commonplace in most regions of the world.

    Exact definition of censorship? Can I get some sort of quantification of "commonplace" and "most regions" please?

    It is clear that in most countries over the past two years there has been an acceleration of efforts to either close down or inhibit the Internet.

    Apparently it's so clear no examples of such accleration are necessary.

    Some American cable companies seek to turn the Internet into a controlled distribution medium like TV and radio, and are putting in place the necessary technological changes to the Internet?s infrastructure to do so.

    Who are 'some american cable companies?' How? What sort of technological changes?

    Technological developments are being implemented to protect a free Internet

    Examples?

    I'm not disagreeing with their overall point, mind you, but the article reads like some people sat around creating a bullet point list of ways they've heard the internet being censored, and then handed the list to their 16 year old intern to fill out. Research? Journalism? The writers know not these things.

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    1. Re:I'll do it for him by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for taking the time to do this.

  32. SPAM Laws: Lawful != Right! by teidou · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The problem of spam is NOT a technical one. It is a moral one and its solution therefore lies in the legal system.

    What are you, a lawyer?

    I feel sorry for people who believe that solutions to moral problems lie in the legal system. I don't think it's immoral to drive 16 mph in a 15 mph zone. I do cruelty is immoral, even when "legal." Please tell me, exactly how does the legal system solve moral problems?

    The problem with spam on Simple Mail Transport Protocol is that the it doesn't require authentication (Read the Fine RFC). It's ridiculous to cry and ask the government for help just because somebody is using the protocol within specifications. We're never going to get rid of all the SMTP spammers.

    If you don't like SMTP, don't use it. If you don't like spam, use a whitelist, get PGP, quit using e-mail, or, better yet, write a new mail transport protocol.

  33. HOLD ON! LET ME GET MY TIN FOIL HAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you seen any evidence of this impending crackdown?

  34. Au contraire by r_j_prahad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    why do you hate America so much?

    It's not that we hate America, quite the opposite. For many of us this is not the America of our birth anymore, and without ever leaving it we are grown homesick for the old country.

    1. Re:Au contraire by MarcQuadra · · Score: 1

      I feel VERY different about my home country since 9/11|PATRIOT|FCC-deregulation.

      I see all these people waving flags for a country that we've let slip through our fingers. I see Democrats and Republicans fighting so hard for corporate money that the've become a single entity. I see schools filled to the brim with kids who have no future, kids who won't even be able to work at McDonalds because they can't formulate sentences. I see HUGE numbers of autistic crack-babies growing up into homogenized learning environments where they suck the money from schools. I see the same picture on all three broadcast TV channels on my set, and they're all chanting for their owner's interests. I see the gap between rich and poor growing. I see real wages dropping so I'll never get to provide enough for a full-time mother for my [future] children. I see gas prices that do not reflect actual supplies. I see 401K programs instead of traditional but very effective and safe pension programs. I see that there's no way to afford healthcare, auto insurance, rent, food, and heat unless I and my roommate work 60 hours apiece each week. I see police officers in strip clubs instead of speed traps (really). I see a people so willing to BELIEVE in dirty politicians because 'they all are, it's politics'.

      I don't hate America. America is gone. I hate the demented empire of pseudo-freedom that lies between Mexico and Canada.

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  35. People are using 911 to promlugate agendas... by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Government, Corporations, and other groups are using the September 11th attacks to further their agendas to restrict freedom. What of the now empty talk about Americans not changing - to continue doing what we would normally do? I guess the freedom to 'innovate' only applies to Corporations - only acceptable in ways that maintain the status-quo.

    The most disturbing thing about this is that government and corporations, while removing freedoms for the masses, are retaining those same freedoms for themselves. The reason there hasn't been a strong backlash against it is that people, in general, don't really understand what is at stake - the once open internet is being re-made as a broadcast medium based upon old 'programming' based paradigms.

    When networks are outlawed, only outlaws will have networks...

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    Lodragan Draoidh
    The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. - Mark Twain
  36. Freedom by pmz · · Score: 1


    How many Slashdotters out there feel that censorship is bad but restricting free trade is good? How many Slashdotters out there feel that domestic spying is bad but nationalized health care is good?

    How many people realize that there is no difference between censorship and tarriffs and that there is no difference between TIA and universal health care?

    I hope there aren't too many heads exploding over this. Or did I just create a mopping opportunity for someone who is unemployed? Oh, the sweet sweet irony of social justice.

    1. Re:Freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or maybe i just like it squeeky clean?

    2. Re:Freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Bloody hell. I seem to have moderated someone in this thread, but I really wanted to reply to you, so I'll AC a bit.

      The sad part is, that you're right. Restricting free trade is just the same as restricting freedom of speech. The reason why there is no such thing as completely free trade is that (unfortunately) there can never be such thing as ideal (free market) capitalism. As experience has shown, it just doesn't work out, so a compromise must be made between freedom (yay, goodie!) and welfare. But neither is there such thing as freedom of speech/press - to voice your opinion, you still have to meet certain requirements (like being considered an authority or just conveniently owning a newspaper...). Which is also kind of good, too - at least it ensures that not every idiot can poison other idiots with his ideas (though some still manage to slip through).

      Now, about public healthcare and spying on one's own people. Maybe I'm a bit too sleepy right now (ie 3 AM) to comprehend this idea, but I fail to see the connection. I pay taxes, and in return I get free medical assistance. It's a public service, like roads or something like that. Are you implying that public healthcare is like TIA in that it creates the illusory sense of safety (as the system sucks)?

      bj8rn, user #583532.

    3. Re:Freedom by pmz · · Score: 1

      I fail to see the connection.

      I don't mean to be a conspiracist or anything like that, but it is interesting that re-electing the Republican administration brings along recurring threats of "domestic security" (i.e., a power grab that brings immense intelligence-gathering abilities) while electing a Democrat administration may bring national health care (i.e., a power grab that brings immense intelligence-gathering abilities).

      It is pretty commonly accepted that orwellian domesic security measures do not really provide good security in the name of freedom. It is more subtle, however, that government-run healthcare (which will not be run well, to say the least) also shifts the balance away from the People. The healthcare plan first sucks up the future medical histories of every man, woman, and child in the USA, which is then leveraged as a tool for politically-motivated policy making. It really is no different than the federal income tax, in this respect. Another very important distinction between private and public health care is that it is unlikely the government will need to ask a judge before accessing a person's history for whatever politically-motivated purpose (they already have the data, so why not take a peek).

      Other public services, such as roads and water, are different, in that there really is no detailed person-specific tracking and recording. I can take any one of three routes to work, and no one really cares other than it affects aggregate traffic statistics. The water meter is only on the single input to my home, so no one cares whether I use 1000 gallons for laundry or mud-wrestling cattle in the back yard (not that I do, but it would be entertaining to watch, I suppose).

      Perhaps the primary point of my post was to point out the internal conflicts of the Democratic and Republican platforms. Being the "party for the people" doesn't mesh well with programs that takes those people's freedoms away. The Republicans aren't scratch-free, either, as the last couple years has seen the debt increasing by a half-trillion per year while passing domestic surveillence laws that aren't even debated before Congress. It's unfortunate that these things aren't putting more people on edge (the two-party news coverage begins yet again).

    4. Re:Freedom by pmz · · Score: 1


      Yet another problem with national health care is that it probably won't allow a person to opt-out. In other words, I will still see money sucked out of my paychecks for a service I didn't ask for nor necessarily want to use. The only effective ways to opt out is to either become ascetic and live in the woods or figure out a way into prison. How convenient that not paying taxes will land me in prison!

      So, on top of social security and medicare (services I will probably never use) another percentage of the money I earn will go to insurance I never wanted to buy. I'd rather take that 15% to 20% of my income and put it to real use. Even using it to eat at restaurants more frequently will do more good through generous tips than it will in a 20%-efficient federal system.

  37. CAC CARDS AND .GOV / .MIL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CAC CARDS WILL NOT BE REQUIRED TO LOGIN TO GOVERNMENT COMPUTERS AT THIS TIME. Rumor has it that the capability to log into Government systems is coming no date on when this will happen. CAC CARDS WILL NOT BE REQUIRED TO SEND AND RECIVE EMAIL... Yet. However you will not be able to digitally sign and encrypt email. Again this feature will be mandatory shortly. As of 1 Oct 03, CAC cards will be required to be used to access all web servers with in the .mil scope of control, some DoD sites will be included, more to follow as time goes on. Although the AF has delayed this implementation before, we can not sure be at this time whether it will be delayed again; we must start getting ready for this. What this means to the end user is that if they do not possess a CAC card they will not gain access to that particular website. This is not a 446 LAN shop thing it is an Air Force thing. CAC Any questions as to how to get a CAC, resetting Pin Numbers on the CAC or the certificates on the CAC must be directed to the 446 MSS/DPMSCC 982-9094 CAC Setup If you should need any help getting your CAC setup for use with websites and email. Contact your WGM they will be able to assist you with setting up your CAC. Help Full Links Who is my WGM? https://wwwmil.afrc.af.mil/446aw/SC/who's_my_wgm.h tm PKI Home https://afpki.lackland.af.mil/index.html CAC Overview https://afpki.lackland.af.mil/htmlbriefs/pki101/PK I101_Brief_073102eda_files/frame.htm End User Training (all should view) https://afpki.lackland.af.mil/html/end_users.html CAC FAQ https://afpki.lackland.af.mil/html/faqs.asp

  38. [more to come] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oh come on! this is non-sense! just because people with power suddenly find it convinient to link an airplane crashing into a building to typing on a keyboard doesn't mean they acctually understand the technology. these (guys with power) know nothing abut how to turn crude oil into gasoline just like they don't know anything about the internet or that apache might be somethign else then a-pachy-server***. go to hell for adding more coal to a useless fire! there's no money to change the fundamentals of the internet. it will stay open and "free". all they can do is get dummies (get it) to patrol the routers. so what! spend some of those u.s. tax dollar for non-sense.
    most of all hackers are chaught because they see thru the fictional system, get happy and start bragging about it. and then the fictional non-sense gets very real, e.g. manipulation of electrons starts to have a physical effect on their real-life. to make the internet secure why not just shut off the elec. grid world wide. this will show who really is improving and who is just talking!

  39. Surprises around every turn . . . by Excen · · Score: 1

    Am I the only /.er that thought when I saw this article:

    FRUCKING DUH!!!!

    "No beer until you finish your tequila!"
    -Leela's Dad

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    "No beer until you finish your tequila!" -Leela's Dad
  40. The Internet is already dead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think wireless. :>

  41. Media self censorship is equally dangerous by possible · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Government censorship is certainly dangerous, but I think the self censorship practiced by the media (including the U.S. media) is more insidious.

    Consider the story that the BBC ran in early 2001 about the theft of the U.S. presidential election. The BBC is not some indie rag, but the story was not picked up by ANY of the U.S. media until almost a year later (too late to do any good).

    Whatever you think about Noam Chomsky, his theory on media self censorship is worth hearing: The media doesn't make money by selling news to audiences. It makes money by selling audiences to advertisers. In other words, advertisers must be kept happy at all times. The media chooses which stories will be reported on, but more subtly, it chooses how issues will be framed. The choice between the "right" and "left" viewpoints on issues that we are given in our media is often a false dichotomy. Whole ranges of opinions outside the liberal/conservative framework are ignored.

    So pay attention. Don't rely on the news media to filter things for you. Get your news from multiple sources, including sources outside the U.S. Try out The Agonist and TerrorWatch and some other samizdat news sites. Don't always believe what you hear about Arab news networks. It is your responsibility to educate yourself.

    1. Re:Media self censorship is equally dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US media pushes anything that will attract viewers/make money. This is not self censorship.
      It's standard businees. Governments do censor this is bad. Please show where the US government censor the news in the US if you feel it's a problem here.

      The conspiracy theory of the "theft" the 2001 election. Please be serious. The New York Times proved it wasn't stolen. Even with Gores distorted counting rules. He lost. You must have over looked that. No problem most die hard democrats who actualy think have not and realize the election was that close and Gore lost. They are mostly busy trying to find someone electable.

      Noam Chomsky ROTFLMAO. You now expect adults to give credence to your ideas? LMAO. The Media exist to preserve the status quo. Those who believe anything else needs to go back to school.

      And because these sources are are outside the US
      they are not biased or self censoring how?

      How does any of this address real censorship?

  42. Cities' public libraries. by donsaklad · · Score: 1

    Our North American cities' public libraries have been censoring respective city archives from cities' public libraries users, personnel and cities' public libraries unions collective bargaining labor relations advocates. Even public archives of cities' libraries themselves such as departmental curators' reports, library consultants' studies and consultants' reports have been censored. Our Boston Public Library is a model of a bad example in this regard where BPL President Bernie Margolis and his delegated so called freedom of information officer R. Kowal have used tactics of denial, delay and punitive additional fees.

    See also
    http://GuideToProblematicalLibraryUse.blog-city.co m
    http://GuideToProblematicalLibraryUse.WebLogs.com/ faq

  43. Internet censorship and restrictions. by RevSmiley · · Score: 2, Interesting


    The problem is two fold. Media trying to comoditize the internet, control content and aggregate as much data on you as they can. Goverments wanting to aggragate all info they can get on you. Governments wanting to out right block your access to certain information. It's about being in control. They are are all ready in control.

    What are you going to to about it? What are you doing about it? I read this yesterday on the Register and though about it. I see this as a issue that as usual will resolve it's self in favor of those in control. The reason fo this is many "citizens" don't give a damm and all those in business only want to make money.

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  44. Mod Up Parent! by Walabio · · Score: 1

    Mod Up Parent!

  45. MOD PARENT DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't some whore with multiple accounts win you over.

  46. Clarification (Re:You Ever Get The Feeling...) by superyooser · · Score: 1
    Clarification on the last sentence

    I didn't mean "people like yourself" as in you personally. I meant it generically, as in, "people like oneself." No offense intended!