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Apple Pulls 10.2.8 Update
physicsnerd writes "Apple has apparently pulled the Mac OS X 10.2.8 update from Software Update. The standalone updates have also been pulled. There have been reports of problems with 10.2.8 on iMacs and eMacs." People have also reported network problems.
You would think that after a few months of beta testing this update they would have caught all the bugs.....
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I finished the update earlier on my PowerBook G3 with no problems.
*knock wood*
Are we certain this is an [e|i]mac-specific issue?
El riesgo vive siempre!
Maybe they will re-release it with the new ssh fix!
I just installed the updates this morning on two computers. PowerMac Dual G4 1Ghz MDD and a PowerBook G4 550Mhz.
No problems, encountered but I installed the updates and ran a Repair Permissions afterwards.
The only problem:
The PowerMac screen saver went to sleep and would not wake up after the Software Update mandatory reboot. I had walked away from the machine after telling it to reboot and did not even login to it. It froze with the screen blanked. I ended up SSHing into it from another computer and doing a sudo shutdown -h now then powered it back up. This is when I ran the Repair Permissions.
The PowerBook was upgraded after this and it didn't have a single problem. I didn't have a chance to test it though.
Hope they roll out an updated 10.2.8 soon so whatever major bug(s) were let loose; would get reined in quickly.
Serves me right in not waiting 2 days before I applied the updates. Some were having problems but most were do to people running haxies.
Like I was saying...
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
As far as I know, the problem is limited to a few iMacs/eMacs. I have no problems on the iBook, powerbook g4, or powermac G4 in my house... all on 10.2.8. I would expect Apple to put it back up as soon as they fix the apparent failure, either through a modified 10.2.8 or a patch for the systems affected. This update is nothing all that exciting, so it's not a mistake that it ever went up. In other words, don't worry if you have 10.2.8. You'll be fine.
With one weird, but possibly-not-related, exception.
I did the 10.2.8 update on my G4 PowerMac. After the initial reboot and before I had a chance to actually do anything, my keyboard and mouse stopped responding. But a power cycle later and things seem to be working fine. I've since run a couple Classic apps (mainly the scanning software for a Canon), plus OS X Photoshop 7 and connected to a couple Samba shares on a Linux server. The only network connection is wired Ethernet.
I should have thought to try and ssh in before cycling the machine, but I didn't. So, for all I know it could have either been just the kb/mouse, or it could have been the entire machine, that froze up.
Baited breath huh? I updated a 1GHz G4 Powerbook and a WallStreet Powerbook today. Everything looks ok for now...
Quicksilver G4/933 running 100Base-T through DHCP:
I upgraded last night and then rebooted. Everything worked fine. Then this morning I suddenly lost all Internet access. Tried to renew the DHCP lease, and that failed. I rebooted and things are working (for now).
Other problems: The Firewall pane of the System Preferences says I already have a firewall running and therefore it will not let me change/configure it.
All in all, most OS X upgrades have been pretty problem-free for me. It sucks these things happen, and they should not happen, but...
Something else funny - right before the machine went down I was complaining on IRC about the new SSH patch and how I was going to have to take down my machine again for that.
- (c) 2018 Hank Zimmerman
My 17 inch powerbook was rendered useless overnight. Upon rebooting, the video display renedered the grey screen of death. Hopefully, doing an 'archive and install' and going back to 10.2.6 will fix my woes... At least they are doing the responsible thing and pulling the plug on it.
My only hand-input device is a Wacom Intuos 2 tablet & mouse. It seems that if you don't have a traditional USB mouse attached, Mac OS X 10.2.8 "helpfully" assumes that you must be trying to connect a bluetooth mouth and launches a Bluetooth configurator for you.
Every.
Time.
I log in, and
Every.
Time.
I log out.
Man, this sucks. Not as bad as not booting, but it's a constant annoyance.
"It is our blasphemy which has made us great, and will sustain us, and which the gods secretly admire in us." - Zelazny
I did notice some weirdness with my PowerBook G4 internet connection, which went away when I switched to a different location that is based on using my Airport(s).
Also I noticed that my second monitor arrangement went away.
I was thinking that these things must be complex and difficult to test every option. Still it sounds like they screwed up on this one. Ah well...
ThosEM
I fear Apple's tried to hurry this update through to make a package of all the recent security fixes along with standard updates. Mistake! They should have released the security fixes asap and separately, and spent as long as required to test the rest.
The biggest "feature" of 10.2.8 for me was the battery timer was completely messed up. I removed the plug and the timer indicated there was 1:50 left, however, the battery actually lasted over 3 hours while multi-tasking AND charging my iPod. I let the battery run all the way down to let it recalibrate - and though the timer indicator is higher than it was last night, it is still not as high as before I installed the update. I have read that other people have had similar problems, too.
It doesn't appear that the battery time itself was affected, just the way it calculates how much time is left.
And you're bitter you weren't invited?
they haven't gone over a ??.??.9 release since... well.. I can't remember when. Can you?
One way that Apple could be different right now, would be to post some sort minimal explanation as to what's going on. I guess there's probably some sort of legal reason for not doing so.
Guess I'll stick with 10.3
I installed it and it worked great. I sure didn't enounter any network prNO CARRIER.
This may imply something important is broken in the OS, or in the latest Office. In either case, it's important for Apple to keep it working.
Like a lot of other people, this update seems to have completely screwed up ethernet networking for me. A lot of the reports I've read (Apple's site Slashdot comment, MacFixit article, MacSlash, etc) suggest that people with dual processor G4s running 400-500mhz are having a lot of problems, and a broken driver for the Intel gigabit ethernet chipset has been blamed -- though I haven't seen anything that conclusively says that this component is at fault. Other reports have come from people running faster G4s & PowerBooks, so if the Intel ethernet driver is a cause, it doesn't seem to be the only cause. All I can say personally is that my dual G4/450mhz is definitely messed up right now.
The best remedy I've seen so far is to restore the pre-10.2.8 version of the AppleGMACEthernet ethernet driver. If you can -- and for most people it'll be too late for this advice to do any good -- make a backup of the .kext driver before updgrading to 10.2.8, then use that to rebuild is things go awry. For everyone else, your best bet is to download it from Andrew McPherson's MIT site, either by establishing a dialup connection, by booting into OS9 and getting it from there, or by grabbing it with another machine and transferring it to your broken Mac by e.g. a burned CD, a Zip disc, etc.
Here are the repair steps, as slightly modified from McPherson's suggestion at Apple's site:
This advice is close to that which McPherson suggested, but he recommended deleting the broken driver, and the commands I give above make a backup just in case. If all goes well you may remove that ~/enet_backup directory, but I have a hunch that somehow you're going to have to end up re-installing it, so keeping a copy around seems prudent to me -- and it's not like it even takes up that much space (well under a megabyte).
Other people have reported success with other solutions. One proposal was to run the command "ifconfig en0 media autoselect", but in my case that didn't work. Others have suggested rebooting, zapping the PRAM a few times, then letting the machine boot again; others have said that that didn't work either.
Replacing the driver, as described above, seems to be the remedy that has had the most success for the most users -- but even still, it isn't working for everybody. In my case, it has allowed me to reconnect to my PPPoE/
DO NOT LEAVE IT IS NOT REAL
I have a MOTU 828 audio recording interface, and since i installed 10.2.8 this morning, i get a kernel panic every time i plug in the MOTU. Hope they get that one fixed in 10.2.(x|x>8)...
I've used the ibook quite a bit since I updated it and everything seems fine so far. The battery indicator has the same problem someone else here mentioned of showing only half as much battery power as you would expect, but my battery has been flaky lately anyway due to another problem so I didn't attribute that to 10.2.8 until I read the comments about it. All in all, I'm having problems with these computers but I haven't noticed anything significant due to 10.2.8 yet. (keeping fingers crossed...)
My wife went ahead and clicked the "OK, Update me" button this morning. All was well until near the end of the install when it froze.
:-(
She finally gave up and pressed restart.
BAD!
The Finder now could not stay up. This was now an unusuable system.
So we tried Disk First Aid. It found plenty of errors and said it was fixing them - each time it was run. But it wasn't really
So she spend most of the day constructing a new system on an external hard disk. Luckily little was lost, except her time.
Not a happy experience.
Apple needs to test these problem cases better. Please Apple, invest in more QA!
I was downloading the update this morning (via Software Update), left the room, came back a few minutes later and my screen was blank...as if the machine were sleeping. Nothing would rouse it, however.
I ssh'd in and tried killing various processes but nothing worked...couldn't even reboot!
Only thing that worked was a hard restart (holding down the power button) and then running fsck a couple of times.
Everything is OK now but that was most un-Apple like.
Fuuny thing is, on one of the runor sites a day or two ago, there was an article about 10.2.8 getting released internally to Apple, and that public release might be delayed because some unspecified problems cropping up. Makes you wonder if whoever is supposed to say "stop the presses!" called in sick on the wrong day.
Darn, I feel left out!
Any other Cube owners without problems? Maybe we could start a support group...
I think, therefore I am...I think.
Any wise Mac user who has seen the crippling tendencies of at least two prior OS X updates knows better than to crow about them, let alone apply them on the same day they're released. Except in the mind of fanboys, the age of the 100% trustworthy Software Update has yet to arrive.
It's pretty easy to avoid getting burned. Ask yourself: is my Mac working? Do I need this update today? Have I waited a few days to see what happened to the early adopters and, er, the glee club? ;-)
I have installed AirPort cards in several TiBooks. And I have never had it take longer than 10 minutes to do so, and with absolutely none of the difficulties you purport to have encountered. And maybe if you had bothered to do even a little research on the procedure, you could have saved some time by learning that you needed to deal with the antenna lead first. or even the very basic fact that the card is meant to go internally (wasn't the $20 install fee clue enough?), leaving the PC slot free. But why should a "Computer Guy" need to do that? A more professional approach would have been to actually KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE DOING BEFORE YOU EVEN START THE JOB. Five hours is so far beyond incompetent that it makes my head spin.
If this was (and it sure sounds like it) your first TiBook experience, I'd like to point out that you're saying some pretty strong things, based on an n=1. Doesn't say much for your objectivity, for it would appear that your mind was made up long ago, and you've chosen to immediately rant and vent, and paint the world in broad strokes, believing that it supports your position.
And it's a bit of a non sequitur to link your poor job of dealing with the TiBook with a problem in the 10.2.8 upgrade. Once again, it looks like you need to justify your emotional biases however you can, and willfully disregard all the positive data reported about Apple's history of delivering solid software and updates on a pretty regular schedule.
If you care (and I see no reason to believe you will), I have witnessed many more QA problems with Dells. The IT folks across the hall from me at work spend joyous hour upon hour dealing with them, noting an especially high occurrence of "crib deaths."
And by the way, here are all the apostrophes you seem to have mislaid: '' ' ' '' (And a few extras for good luck.) We'll leave it as an exercise for the class to find the multitude of grammatical, spelling and logical errors in your diatribe.
P.S. And congratulations on curing your friend of her addiction; you're the quintessential "Computer Guy," all right.
P.P.S. In summary: 1) grow up; 2) learn to write.
Theory and practice are the same in theory, but different in practice.
10.2.8.1? My OS update and my IP address. Woo! 8')
Moderating to further my personal world domination agenda... and to get chicks.
DO NOT INSTALL IF YOU HAVE A REVOLUTION 7.1 SOUND CARD INSTALLED! The update disables the driver, because the .kext driver specifies a Darwin version below that of OS 10.2.8
I wonder what they'll call the 10.2.8 update when they re-release it? 10.2.8.1? This brings them awfully close to 10.3, and they usually roll some fixes in to the old OS when they release a new one.
What I want to know is, why did Apple bundle the security updates with everything else? The only thing I want from 10.2.8 is the patch for the OpenSSH bug. Even M$ provides security updates separately from their Service Packs and assorted malware.
Yes, I warned Steve Jobs that hiring the young man, Murphy Law as the new head of quality assurance was a bad idea but of course he assured me that Murphy was an optimist ;-)
Damn you Murphy!
"The difference between pornography and erotica is the lighting" - Woody Allen
Yes, they pulled System 7.5.4 after some problems were discovered with the updater. It barely made it into the market, though.
I believe they also pulled one of the 10.1.x updates, but I can't remember which.
I'm quite happy with 10.2.8. It finally fixed my USB!
1. Now pay your friend for the damage you have done to her computer by unecessarilly filing, snipping and apparently bending bits of her computer.
2. Refrain from calling yourself the "Computer Guy" until you are at least moderately clueful
"CAN-2003-0693" refers to the vulnerability.
http://public.www.planetmirror.com/pub/apple/Mac_O S_X/MacOSXUpdate10.2.8.dmg
No indication of that in the articles (did you read them?) -- an Ethernet driver bug and boot problems on some models of Mac would be reason enough.
Beside, why pull the update? Smarter to release a separate (much-smaller) openssh patch afterwards rather than hold back the entire, ~40 Mb 10.2.8 package.
As a fellow dialer-up I feel your pain at the ever-larger updates. Fortunately, I have bandwidth at work and can bring home the standalone packages on a ZIP disk from an office Mac.
je ne suis pas un fou