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Apple Pulls 10.2.8 Update
physicsnerd writes "Apple has apparently pulled the Mac OS X 10.2.8 update from Software Update. The standalone updates have also been pulled. There have been reports of problems with 10.2.8 on iMacs and eMacs." People have also reported network problems.
... and if anyone post one of those no-carrier jokes, I'll... umm... let's see, I can't mod them down...
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You would think that after a few months of beta testing this update they would have caught all the bugs.....
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I finished the update earlier on my PowerBook G3 with no problems.
*knock wood*
Are we certain this is an [e|i]mac-specific issue?
El riesgo vive siempre!
Maybe they will re-release it with the new ssh fix!
I just installed the updates this morning on two computers. PowerMac Dual G4 1Ghz MDD and a PowerBook G4 550Mhz.
No problems, encountered but I installed the updates and ran a Repair Permissions afterwards.
The only problem:
The PowerMac screen saver went to sleep and would not wake up after the Software Update mandatory reboot. I had walked away from the machine after telling it to reboot and did not even login to it. It froze with the screen blanked. I ended up SSHing into it from another computer and doing a sudo shutdown -h now then powered it back up. This is when I ran the Repair Permissions.
The PowerBook was upgraded after this and it didn't have a single problem. I didn't have a chance to test it though.
Hope they roll out an updated 10.2.8 soon so whatever major bug(s) were let loose; would get reined in quickly.
Serves me right in not waiting 2 days before I applied the updates. Some were having problems but most were do to people running haxies.
Like I was saying...
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
As far as I know, the problem is limited to a few iMacs/eMacs. I have no problems on the iBook, powerbook g4, or powermac G4 in my house... all on 10.2.8. I would expect Apple to put it back up as soon as they fix the apparent failure, either through a modified 10.2.8 or a patch for the systems affected. This update is nothing all that exciting, so it's not a mistake that it ever went up. In other words, don't worry if you have 10.2.8. You'll be fine.
I don't know what it is but i'm just addicted to these Mac OS X updates. I hear one is comming down the pipe and I wait with baited breath.. Itching for it to hit Software Update. Anyway.. my update worked fine. 10.3 or bust Apple.. ;-)
With one weird, but possibly-not-related, exception.
I did the 10.2.8 update on my G4 PowerMac. After the initial reboot and before I had a chance to actually do anything, my keyboard and mouse stopped responding. But a power cycle later and things seem to be working fine. I've since run a couple Classic apps (mainly the scanning software for a Canon), plus OS X Photoshop 7 and connected to a couple Samba shares on a Linux server. The only network connection is wired Ethernet.
I should have thought to try and ssh in before cycling the machine, but I didn't. So, for all I know it could have either been just the kb/mouse, or it could have been the entire machine, that froze up.
Baited breath huh? I updated a 1GHz G4 Powerbook and a WallStreet Powerbook today. Everything looks ok for now...
Quicksilver G4/933 running 100Base-T through DHCP:
I upgraded last night and then rebooted. Everything worked fine. Then this morning I suddenly lost all Internet access. Tried to renew the DHCP lease, and that failed. I rebooted and things are working (for now).
Other problems: The Firewall pane of the System Preferences says I already have a firewall running and therefore it will not let me change/configure it.
All in all, most OS X upgrades have been pretty problem-free for me. It sucks these things happen, and they should not happen, but...
Something else funny - right before the machine went down I was complaining on IRC about the new SSH patch and how I was going to have to take down my machine again for that.
- (c) 2018 Hank Zimmerman
My 17 inch powerbook was rendered useless overnight. Upon rebooting, the video display renedered the grey screen of death. Hopefully, doing an 'archive and install' and going back to 10.2.6 will fix my woes... At least they are doing the responsible thing and pulling the plug on it.
My only hand-input device is a Wacom Intuos 2 tablet & mouse. It seems that if you don't have a traditional USB mouse attached, Mac OS X 10.2.8 "helpfully" assumes that you must be trying to connect a bluetooth mouth and launches a Bluetooth configurator for you.
Every.
Time.
I log in, and
Every.
Time.
I log out.
Man, this sucks. Not as bad as not booting, but it's a constant annoyance.
"It is our blasphemy which has made us great, and will sustain us, and which the gods secretly admire in us." - Zelazny
I did notice some weirdness with my PowerBook G4 internet connection, which went away when I switched to a different location that is based on using my Airport(s).
Also I noticed that my second monitor arrangement went away.
I was thinking that these things must be complex and difficult to test every option. Still it sounds like they screwed up on this one. Ah well...
ThosEM
I fear Apple's tried to hurry this update through to make a package of all the recent security fixes along with standard updates. Mistake! They should have released the security fixes asap and separately, and spent as long as required to test the rest.
a gay orgy instead of testing this update.
The biggest "feature" of 10.2.8 for me was the battery timer was completely messed up. I removed the plug and the timer indicated there was 1:50 left, however, the battery actually lasted over 3 hours while multi-tasking AND charging my iPod. I let the battery run all the way down to let it recalibrate - and though the timer indicator is higher than it was last night, it is still not as high as before I installed the update. I have read that other people have had similar problems, too.
It doesn't appear that the battery time itself was affected, just the way it calculates how much time is left.
A lot of PowerBook G3 "Lombard" owners (myself included) have been having problems with frequent crashing that causes the display to become garbled. I first thought the problem was with Unsanity's Application Enhancer (APE), but after removing it I still keep crashing.
Some have suggested repairing disk permissions via Disk Utility (which I'm in the process of doing) while others have suggested removing 1 of your 2 RAM modules (assuming you have two installed)
I think that the problem has to do with having 2 RAM modules installed. I was monitoring my memory usage leading up to the crashes and whenever the RAM in use goes over 256 MB (meaning it's now using both RAM modules) then a crash will not be far away. The laptop was stable and never crashed if the RAM used was under 256 MB.
So once my permissions repair is complete I'll probably remove one of my DIMMs to see if the problem really lies with the RAM.
infested with jello like fishes no melotron wishes
they haven't gone over a ??.??.9 release since... well.. I can't remember when. Can you?
My fathers B&W Tower (Smurf) has never needed to be sent in to Apple for repair or replacement of parts and every upgrade has always worked....I would say that it was the best investment he-s ever made.
One way that Apple could be different right now, would be to post some sort minimal explanation as to what's going on. I guess there's probably some sort of legal reason for not doing so.
Guess I'll stick with 10.3
I installed it and it worked great. I sure didn't enounter any network prNO CARRIER.
Im running an old PMac G4 400 (AGP), I've not seen anything go wrong.
Of course, my onboard network adapter and firewire ports were fried in a lightning storm...
I hate kentucky.
This may imply something important is broken in the OS, or in the latest Office. In either case, it's important for Apple to keep it working.
no problems at all on iBook 900mhz / eMac 700mhz
in fact, it seems to have cleared up a couple of issues i was having with the eMac.
Like a lot of other people, this update seems to have completely screwed up ethernet networking for me. A lot of the reports I've read (Apple's site Slashdot comment, MacFixit article, MacSlash, etc) suggest that people with dual processor G4s running 400-500mhz are having a lot of problems, and a broken driver for the Intel gigabit ethernet chipset has been blamed -- though I haven't seen anything that conclusively says that this component is at fault. Other reports have come from people running faster G4s & PowerBooks, so if the Intel ethernet driver is a cause, it doesn't seem to be the only cause. All I can say personally is that my dual G4/450mhz is definitely messed up right now.
The best remedy I've seen so far is to restore the pre-10.2.8 version of the AppleGMACEthernet ethernet driver. If you can -- and for most people it'll be too late for this advice to do any good -- make a backup of the .kext driver before updgrading to 10.2.8, then use that to rebuild is things go awry. For everyone else, your best bet is to download it from Andrew McPherson's MIT site, either by establishing a dialup connection, by booting into OS9 and getting it from there, or by grabbing it with another machine and transferring it to your broken Mac by e.g. a burned CD, a Zip disc, etc.
Here are the repair steps, as slightly modified from McPherson's suggestion at Apple's site:
This advice is close to that which McPherson suggested, but he recommended deleting the broken driver, and the commands I give above make a backup just in case. If all goes well you may remove that ~/enet_backup directory, but I have a hunch that somehow you're going to have to end up re-installing it, so keeping a copy around seems prudent to me -- and it's not like it even takes up that much space (well under a megabyte).
Other people have reported success with other solutions. One proposal was to run the command "ifconfig en0 media autoselect", but in my case that didn't work. Others have suggested rebooting, zapping the PRAM a few times, then letting the machine boot again; others have said that that didn't work either.
Replacing the driver, as described above, seems to be the remedy that has had the most success for the most users -- but even still, it isn't working for everybody. In my case, it has allowed me to reconnect to my PPPoE/
DO NOT LEAVE IT IS NOT REAL
I recently was having problems that required me to reinstall OS X without saving users and network settings. I did this, and it all went fine, except now Classic will not run. It didn't work in 10.2 (which I installed from CD) and it didn't work after updating to 10.2.8; the preference pane tells me there is no usable classic system on the drive. Yet I can boot into OS9 and Startup Disk reports a working 9.2.2 system there. Is there some way to get my computer to recognize 9.2.2 and let me run classic mode when I need it?
I have a MOTU 828 audio recording interface, and since i installed 10.2.8 this morning, i get a kernel panic every time i plug in the MOTU. Hope they get that one fixed in 10.2.(x|x>8)...
I hit the Ethernet problem myself (and most frustrating it was, too), but replacing the driver (as described elsewhere) worked a treat, and I've had no other issues with 10.2.8 at all. No obvious benefits, either, though...
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I've used the ibook quite a bit since I updated it and everything seems fine so far. The battery indicator has the same problem someone else here mentioned of showing only half as much battery power as you would expect, but my battery has been flaky lately anyway due to another problem so I didn't attribute that to 10.2.8 until I read the comments about it. All in all, I'm having problems with these computers but I haven't noticed anything significant due to 10.2.8 yet. (keeping fingers crossed...)
Of course, I'm on my AirPort connection, and I haven't tried my 10/100 Ethernet. I guess I'll wait for 10.2.8.1.
My wife went ahead and clicked the "OK, Update me" button this morning. All was well until near the end of the install when it froze.
:-(
She finally gave up and pressed restart.
BAD!
The Finder now could not stay up. This was now an unusuable system.
So we tried Disk First Aid. It found plenty of errors and said it was fixing them - each time it was run. But it wasn't really
So she spend most of the day constructing a new system on an external hard disk. Luckily little was lost, except her time.
Not a happy experience.
Apple needs to test these problem cases better. Please Apple, invest in more QA!
I was downloading the update this morning (via Software Update), left the room, came back a few minutes later and my screen was blank...as if the machine were sleeping. Nothing would rouse it, however.
I ssh'd in and tried killing various processes but nothing worked...couldn't even reboot!
Only thing that worked was a hard restart (holding down the power button) and then running fsck a couple of times.
Everything is OK now but that was most un-Apple like.
Procrastination pays off again. I got home from work today already to install the patch to find that it i s gone. I think I would have been ok, have a new iBook.
Fuuny thing is, on one of the runor sites a day or two ago, there was an article about 10.2.8 getting released internally to Apple, and that public release might be delayed because some unspecified problems cropping up. Makes you wonder if whoever is supposed to say "stop the presses!" called in sick on the wrong day.
No obvious problems or improvements on my iBook G3 500.
Karma? Sorry, i don't believe in superstition. http://talk.thinkingmatters.org.nz
... so an install of 9 is just OS9 and Classic is a shell.
I gave up OS9 for Lent last year. Now my machine is twenty pounds lighter and can do a four min. mile!
Any preoccupation with ideas of what is right or wrong in conduct shows an arrested intellectual development. (Wilde)
Darn, I feel left out!
Any other Cube owners without problems? Maybe we could start a support group...
I think, therefore I am...I think.
It just works. But how, exactly?
Slashdot: Failed Car Analogies. Amateur Lawyering. Anecdote Battles.
you fucking fags. hahahaha. your untested sub-enterprise grade piece of shit fucking garbage ass shit OS.
with a shit deprecated mach kernel that is slow as fucking ass and error prone.
with your fucking shit *nix userland that barely makes the grade.
with your fucking robbing Jordan Hubbard, who went from being christ to the FUCKING FALLEN ANGEL TRAITOR FUCKING BASTARD.
FUCK YOU STEVE SLOBS, and your DRM crusted fucking music low quality shit.
FUCK YOU APPLE, for living solely because you made an Ipod, a rip off replacement for a staid tired concept: Walkman (with DRM).
and finally, your spyware crusted shit ass fucking software, your heavy CPU wasting shit UI, your fucking shit hardware, overpriced and underpowered fucking cunt shit lie on BENCHMARKS like spec you fucking asshole liars.
And your fucking JVM is shit.
YOUR FUCKING JVM IS SHIT.
Fuck you.
FreeBSD rules, and you cunts suck this crap down. You fucking suck it good, and pay out the ass. Steve needs your money for his fucking Gulstream. And you give it like the little stupid fucking bleating pigs you are.
FUCK YOU ASSHOLES.
you fucking fags. hahahaha. your untested sub-enterprise grade piece of shit fucking garbage ass shit OS.
with a shit deprecated mach kernel that is slow as fucking ass and error prone.
with your fucking shit *nix userland that barely makes the grade.
with your fucking robbing Jordan Hubbard, who went from being christ to the FUCKING FALLEN ANGEL TRAITOR FUCKING BASTARD.
FUCK YOU STEVE SLOBS, and your DRM crusted fucking music low quality shit.
FUCK YOU APPLE, for living solely because you made an Ipod, a rip off replacement for a staid tired concept: Walkman (with DRM).
and finally, your spyware crusted shit ass fucking software, your heavy CPU wasting shit UI, your fucking shit hardware, overpriced and underpowered fucking cunt shit lie on BENCHMARKS like spec you fucking asshole liars.
And your fucking JVM is shit.
YOUR FUCKING JVM IS SHIT.
Fuck you.
FreeBSD rules, and you cunts suck this crap down. You fucking suck it good, and pay out the ass. Steve needs your money for his fucking Gulstream. And you give it like the little stupid fucking bleating pigs you are.
FUCK YOU ASSHOLES.
HAHAHHAHAHA. MUHSHSHSHSHAHAHAHA!
FUCKERS!
and use OO
PP is for weenies anyway
no optimization for interlace
no timecode support
no distributed system support
no I/O support
troll my ass
this should be +10 hilarious.
even if you hate what he says, he has a penchant for ripping and asshole like no other.
and ever so helpful :-p
why does apple software call home. my interpretation of his rant about spyware is that it is true that software for apple calls home, with the bastion of this being photoshop.
its disgusting that they facilitate invasion of privacy.
Oh now, here we go with another stupid, uneducated filthy Apple zealot. I know more about computer than you will ever know, trust me. You lameness is gushing out at this point. Your foolish statement was rife with conjecture and assumption. I find amusing, your OS Crap, I mean OS X. Simple idiot software, incomplete userland, terribly slow, inferior SCSI-less, ECC memory less crap hardware. If you were a Mac zealot in the day, you had a leg to stand on, now. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. Whatever, troll. I do use Windows, for games. You wouldn?t know what games are because you have a Mac, and well, there is a Warcraft III, and?. and?? Well anything PC users had 3 years ago you can play that. And half the things you have to do like defrag, have to be done off a boot CD HHAHAHAHHAAH. First you have a gay resource forkie easily corruptible HFS+ fs, then its subject to fragmentation, and then there is no online defrag API. AHHAHAHA. Other than games I use no Winderz. I have a myriad of hardware at my disposal, and I tend to like to spend most time in FreeBSD. You might have an idea of what that is because its them same userland Apple tried (and failed miserably) to port to OS X. And you stupid Mach kernel was deprecated by Carnegie Mellon in 1994, and microkernels are now considered obsolete. Sorry. You first non complete shit kernel, like that in OS9, is a fucking lame, slow, out of date kernel. HAHAHAHA.
So you can sit there, on your overpriced, slow box. With firmware that blocks memory and CPU upgrades, and your sexless existence waiting for your next unemployment check, because you are indebt, all apple users max out their credit cards because they are stupid and live in dreamland. All Apple users are the first to be laid off in a company downsizing because they do nothing. And you can sit there, in debt, living off the taxes I willing pay, and you can try to bark at me like ht troglodyte troll you are and try to sink me down to your level, a mediocritomaton in a pathetic self congratulating "communisty."
And about your "best of show," the Apple X-Shit. A server with: No SCSI, not hardware RAID, no ECC memory, 2GB memory limit, and two CPUs so slow that Motorola doesn?t even publish the SPEC CPU2000 mark. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. BWAHAHAHAHA. You people are so pathetic it makes me crack up.
The 286-based IBM AT already had the right components for preemptive multitasking and memory protection. It's not IBM's fault that MS software did not take advantage of what the hardware could offer. At the time (http://www.computerhistory.org/timeline/1984/inde x.page), the first Macs shipped with 68K cpus that did not even have virtual memory management(http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com/pape rs/otherOlderPapers/anothermacpaper/virtualMemory. html). Also, PC hardware shipped with 9-bit ram so there was always one bit for parity while the Mac shipped with 8-bit ram. 9-bit is of course better because you can tell when a bit accidentally flips. It wasn't till the Mac IIfx that any Mac got 9-bit ram. (http://www.apple-history.com/IIfx.html) [Because of cost cutting measures, most desktops today regardless of PC or Mac do not have parity.] It also had a 400KB floppy drive instead of the AT's 1.2MB drive. And 128KB ram to the AT's 256KB. About the only advantage the Mac had was a pretty GUI (which you could get third-party apps. for the AT) and the 8-bit sound. And it's been the same ever since. PC's were the first to get almost everything you see on the Mac today. Notable exceptions are FireWire and possible SCSI. (I'm not too clear about SCSI.) But SDRAM, PCI, ATI graphics accelerators, Nvidia graphics accelerators, etc. all came on the PC first.
I think the two most innovative things to come out of Apple in a long, long time are Quartz and Firewire. But we can get Firewire on the PC now, so the only thing that is missing would be Quartz.
Why would an avid PC user care about what CPU Apple will use next? Because that dictates whether or not I can potentially
I did notice that the "Network Info" widget in Konfabulator no longer shows my WAN address. Otherwise no problems on my 733 Quicksilver, and still buying a 15" Alum. PB.
I need to vent guys and here I hope I find sympathy! I HATE MAC'S
Today I spent the good part of five hours helping a friend with a titanum powerbook put an 802.11 card in, she bought an apple Airport one. The first amazing thing comes when it doesn't fit in the slot, but a quick call to the apple seller and they tell me it has to go INSIDE THE MACHINE. My friend had opted not to get them to install it as it was an extra $20 fee, so she took it home and I got the job as I'm the "Computer Guy" and can generally help friends and family with there computer problems. I have never seen such a tragedy of design as the TiBook!
First I had to take the entire thing apart. This if youve been inside a laptop is not an easy trivial task. It needs the batteryu and case to come off, the drive and optical drive to come out, and apples STUPID design inside them mean I had to file away some parts as they were put in without obviously meaning to be taken apart again. Now I know computers are throwaway things nowadays but that's rediculous? We also had to use snips to cut some tiny pieces of shielding off to get to the right screws. I can see why they were charging so much to put the card in, she should have gone with that option! In the end finally I was able to lever up a part of the inside to push the airport card inside and click it in place. But that wasn't enough, an aerial cable then needed to be connected, and getting it out of its holder was another half hour of work where I had to pull the airport card out again!. Finally with it all back together it works. The inside I think is back where it should go. the back doesn't go back on how it should either and I think is a little bent.
I don't, I really don't, see how Apple can claim to be tops in design. Even my A600 was a dream to work on compared to this and it was pretty compact too!. Why they couldn't put it in an easily accessed slot like normal PC notebooks I dont know. Anyway Ive talked my friend into getting rid of her mac addiction, she will definately be buying a Dell next
Try rebooting a couple of times -- I started getting errors on boot that the 10.2.6 driver was "incompatible" with 10.2.8, and so was contributing to a security risk. Plus, the firewall doesn't seem to be working -- some people have reported weird glitches with it, and I can't seem to get an inbound connection on e.g. my web server. So the driver isn't quite working, and I'm a little nervous that the system is going to be unstable with a mismatched system driver in place. The driver replacement workaround does not seem to be the right long term fix here, even if it gets things up & running again in the short term.
DO NOT LEAVE IT IS NOT REAL
Any wise Mac user who has seen the crippling tendencies of at least two prior OS X updates knows better than to crow about them, let alone apply them on the same day they're released. Except in the mind of fanboys, the age of the 100% trustworthy Software Update has yet to arrive.
It's pretty easy to avoid getting burned. Ask yourself: is my Mac working? Do I need this update today? Have I waited a few days to see what happened to the early adopters and, er, the glee club? ;-)
I wonder if they rushed this one out under pressure to plug the OpenSSH security hole? If so, I guess...well...they succeeded then, didn't they? :-)
Lotta time on your hands ?
Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1992-1951
Quicksilver 733: OK
iBook 800: OK
Graphite 400 AGP: OK
The only anomaly I saw on two of them was some of the documents on my desktop had the wrong icons after the post-install reboot. They went back to normal after another reboot.
Needless to say, when the revised update surfaces I won't rush to install it on any machines at my clients. The three machines that I did today were non-critical.
~Philly
10.2.8.1? My OS update and my IP address. Woo! 8')
Moderating to further my personal world domination agenda... and to get chicks.
DO NOT INSTALL IF YOU HAVE A REVOLUTION 7.1 SOUND CARD INSTALLED! The update disables the driver, because the .kext driver specifies a Darwin version below that of OS 10.2.8
I wonder what they'll call the 10.2.8 update when they re-release it? 10.2.8.1? This brings them awfully close to 10.3, and they usually roll some fixes in to the old OS when they release a new one.
What I want to know is, why did Apple bundle the security updates with everything else? The only thing I want from 10.2.8 is the patch for the OpenSSH bug. Even M$ provides security updates separately from their Service Packs and assorted malware.
After the update, my display resoultion was reset to 640x480, Thousands of colors. Also, certan icons refuse to display properly on my desktop. (Both were problems listed on macfixit.com) Dual G4/500 MHz in case you care...
I work with the developers of OSXvnc and we've received a report that it isn't working under 10.2.8. I now suspect that it's the rumored network problems at work. Heck, it works under Panther. I couldn't figure out this morning why a few minutes after I installed the upgrade via software update, my coworker's machine didn't find it. We went out of our way to download it from the Apple web site in the hopes that it would include a fix to a Safari bug that keeps crashing it several times a day (objc: message _blinkCaret sent to freed object).
out of the 4 PCs and 3 macs, I only see one machine in my servers window... I can't connect to them using the ZeroConf (rendevouz) address (blah.local), or the IP, but the machines that are set up to respond to external ports are working fine when I use the external domain name, although, I'm getting a bottleneck with the 10base/t router. Grrrrrr....
...spike
Ewwwwww, coconut...
Could it be that Apple pulled the 10.2.8
update to take care of the newly discovered
vulnerabilities in OpenSSH 3.7.1.p1 ?
The new OpenSSH 3.7.1.p2 was released earlier
today. When Apple pulled the plug on 10.2.8,
I got a broken 1/3 of the update (sorry snail
slow dialup connection).
nothing wrong. Updated this a.m. and I am still sitting here working away some 12 hours later. My ass is falling asleep but i don't think its related to the update..
My karma is getting better everyday.
Yes, I warned Steve Jobs that hiring the young man, Murphy Law as the new head of quality assurance was a bad idea but of course he assured me that Murphy was an optimist ;-)
Damn you Murphy!
"The difference between pornography and erotica is the lighting" - Woody Allen
...They include in some of those "USB device compatibility" issues the ability to see my Zip 650 USB CDRW on my iBook? (they supposedly work fine on G4 boxen) That would be nice. I've got to save up to be poor so even adding a reasonably priced firewire lacie is out of the question for awhile.
;-) BTW, it's not an 10.2.8 problem, I was just hoping the update would have made it work. Supposedly it used to work on 10.1.x
It kinda works with patchburn but that's even more annoying than it not working at all. Messing with that kinda reminds me of weekends lost to bleeding edge Linux desktop goodies. Multi-session burns borks the whole box to forceable shutdowns At least I can burn CDs from iTunes store DLs. I must say though, it still beats the hell outa my Linux desktop buffoonery
Oh, fixing ssh would be good too. I go all over hells half acre in Terminal land an X11 with this thing...
Yes, they pulled System 7.5.4 after some problems were discovered with the updater. It barely made it into the market, though.
I believe they also pulled one of the 10.1.x updates, but I can't remember which.
I'm quite happy with 10.2.8. It finally fixed my USB!
If you have the machine set to auto-login, next time wait two minutes and watch the clock. If it doesn't change, then at the very least your display server is toast.
Well, or the clock program is dead. But that seems unlikely.
-fred
Sign #11 of Slashdot overdose: You see the phrase 'moderate Republican' and you wonder if that would be a +1 or a -1.
well i guess i was lucky enough to download all 40816490 bytes of the MacOSXUpdate10.2.8.dmg at ~2.2k per second just to find out it doesnt work for tom and sally imac user
do i dare hope for darwin 6.9?
bow chicka chicka bow wow
Quite quite ironic. After everyone (me included) posted how great it is to snag a Mac update the minute it comes out and how Windows updates usually go for days or weeks until they are installed for fear of breaking something that isn't broken. Guess we should all keep our mouths shut and stop jinxing ourselves. Damnit! (luckily mine seems to be fine on a 500 MHz TiBook *knock on wood*)
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts...for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang
In Microsoft Russia, software updates pull YOU!
--- Jason Olshefsky
Karma: Poser (mostly affected by adding this line long after everyone else did)
If you have any programs that modify the default ipfw settings, your control panel will say another firewall is running. Stuff like PC emulators that have a virtual ethernet driver will modify the firewall settings.
I, for one, pull the welcome for our newly updated overlords...
Not to excuse an upgrade that does damage (should SW vendors have to have a hipocratic oath akin to Doctors' - "first do no harm")
My 15" 400Mhz 1st generation Bowerbook G4 (now nearly 3 years old) is doing just fine with 10.2.8.
This will serve as a wakeup to me to be sure to give Panther a week or so before I plunk down the cash and roll the dice with system stability.
I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
Thank you so much. You've just saved both a dual 1 Ghz G4 Powermac and a large window from destructive interference.
"It is our blasphemy which has made us great, and will sustain us, and which the gods secretly admire in us." - Zelazny
I have a Powerbook 12" Superdrive, and have had no problems...
Like anyone can even know that
For what it's worth: I have a nearly identical setup (with an old 500MHz G3 laptop instead of a G4) and experienced exactly the same thing on my dual-G4. I had logged in and actually used the machine after the update, but it seemed dead the next morning. Haven't had a problem since, after repairing permissions, and I experienced no other problems on either machine at all.
Go ahead and hack into my box too then!
192.168.9.27
schmuck -- 192.168. and 10. are reserved for private intranets and are simply not routed over the Internet.
My Blue & White PowerMac G3 has been acting up since upgrading from 10.2.6 to 10.2.8. There are times when the system will pause and not accept any input -- but the mouse pointer still moves around the screen.
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I have 2 machines upgraded, an 800Mhz G4 flat panel iMac, and a 500Mhz G3 iMac DVSE. Both running 10.2.8 just fine, none of the problems I have seen reported have affected me. YMM(will?)V
This sounds to me like Apple did a small mod to something in the underlying system and...
Yeah, it's called the Mach microkernel. Hosed or not hosed, go look at the date on the microkernel and let me know what you think Apple fucked up. Between the mk's date and kernel extensions breaking all over the place, what do you think happened? Seriously, I want someone else's opinion. There's the obvious ethernet extension that is borked, and the not so obvious like my third-party wireless drivers.
This update made my PowerBook G3 "Wallstreet" a doorstop -- gray screen of doom at startup, and it will finally boot after over an hour of waiting. And then guess what? After that insanely long wait, I get an error telling me system problems are preventing me from logging in. WTF? So I reboot in verbose mode, and the network is constantly stalling while my IOxperts 802.11b driver is complaining that it can't find the network -- all while I get at least 500+ messages sprinkled in there telling me how it's waiting for Application Services to start. So it comes up after over an hour, and then won't let me log in. Great.
After trying safe mode and single user mode to no avail, I boot from an OS 9 CD (Diskwarrior) to let me poke around and observe the destruction. The most obvious change is that Apple swapped the microkernel out during this upgrade. Go look for yourself.
Even superheroes once were losers
As you might have noticed, 10.2.8 killed your M-Audio Revolution. They posted an updated driver last night, and on my system at least, the card works again.
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If you want to know -
G4 800 dual
1.5 GB RAM
GeForce 3 / ATI Radeon
OS X 10.2.8
M-Audio Revolution 7.1
Get the update here...
http://www.midiman.net/support/driversea
jaz
Mac OS X 10.3 will never be released because first 10.2.8 has to be (re)released, then 10.2.9, then 10.2.9.5, then 10.2.9.5.5, then....
Yay, tsarkon is back!!! More mindless drivel for slashdot.
didn't one of the iTunes updates wipe out most of the contents of the harddrive?
My other sig is extremely clever...
I updated my eMac to 10.2.8 as soon as the update became available. Everything still works. As usual.
The ethernet drivers work, the system doesn't suffer any kernel panics, the computer doesn't boot slower...
I'm pretty sure 10.1.2 got pulled and turned into 10.1.2.1 right damn quick.
Clear, Dark Skies
When launching a file previously associated with a classic application, it doesn't run: doesn't even boot classic. When I launched classic from the System Preferences, it required an update, but still didn't recognize my file association.
I had to manually associate the file type with the classic app in the end.
Otherwise, no problems so far...
Still prefer these sorts of problems over the hell of updates and hotfixes for my Windows servers.
I missed out on the update and still want to update my mac and see what happens... does anyone have a mirror to a standalone installer???
Thanks!
You have it all wrong, prick. I come back when the mindless drivel exceeds a threshold. People like you do a lot to make that happen.
Are you trying to insinuate that there was ever a time without mindless drivel, mostly written by the fucking editors?
You're a dumb prick.
I just installed the updates this morning on two computers. PowerMac Dual G4 1Ghz MDD
Same here. My DP 1.25Ghz MDD seems to be doing just fine with 10.2.8. If you look at the Apple support forums there have been some recent posts about the update causing battery problems in some laptops.
I know hearing of feces, shitting in your pants, and other such things makes you excited, so I thought I would post this:
I was sitting there pondering if I should fart. My ass was percolating something fierce. It was a hard, coprolitc shit earlier, hard and tearing at the rectal walls. I thought I cleared my colon like a dog on Ex-Lax. I was thinking, the percolating bubbling brown latex paint like mixture with bergs of snickers - was it all out?
I ripped a few sets of ass without event. The farts came off as a sour rhubarb and garbage smell; quite relieving. Bunting a few always feels good.
Then the mother of all farts came. This was promising to end my ass cheek shifting (to prevent impregnation of the rancid gas into the polyurethane cushion) and squirming to expulse the swamp gas already trapped air in my seat cushion.
I ripped ass, and instead, I got a brownie batter mud pie splashing out the crack in my ass; a tidal wave of feculent slime. Oh fuck; it stinks so bad! Now, as I sit here I am stuffing Kleenex in my ass through my fly and the barn door on my underwear. If I can get enough of those in there I might have a chance to congeal this liquidy mess into a brown potato of feces and Kleenex.
Fuck! I just ran out of Kleenex and poop is on my fingers and now as I'm typing smearing on the keyboard. Fuck. This shit smells so bad. I just took my nice champion socks off and put them in there in hopes of arresting further doo doo river flow.
Welp. After about 8-10 minutes and two rolls of TP I'm back. I grabbed a can of Lysol and some anti bacterial soap and am spraying off my area and replacing the chair. I lost my keyboard in action; listed as KIA, by action of the South Colon Regular Army.
Oh fuck, that was a percolating brown festering quagmire of swampy, rhubarby smelly caramelized shit to remember.
It's pretty clear; it's all networking ( and slow networking at that ), which explains why some people with the described machines have no problems. All of the other problems reported are likely of the typical well-what-did-you-do-to-your-machine variety, not a direct result of the update.
I've got it on my new 15" Powerbook. Being an IT person I should really know better, but usually when an Apple update comes out, I just install it regardless of what the consequences might be. I should probably stop doing that huh...
http://public.www.planetmirror.com/pub/apple/Mac_O S_X/MacOSXUpdate10.2.8.dmg
That's quite alright easter, considering your use of the word 'considering' I've inferred your programs suck.
I think, therefore I am...I think.
Apart from the fact that your remark is a bit on the anal side, you're right. the sig is indeed sloppy. I am pretty anal and precise myself - as far as my translations are concerned, so I'll bow my head and try to take the hint with grace.
Actually, I have a splitting head-ache right now, so forget about the bowing and the grace part...
I think, therefore I am...I think.
Googled this up in 5 minutes.
7 .2 0030922.PkN45/2Z/MacOSXUpdateCombo10.2.8.dmg
http://download.info.apple.com/Mac_OS_X/061-067
No indication of that in the articles (did you read them?) -- an Ethernet driver bug and boot problems on some models of Mac would be reason enough.
Beside, why pull the update? Smarter to release a separate (much-smaller) openssh patch afterwards rather than hold back the entire, ~40 Mb 10.2.8 package.
As a fellow dialer-up I feel your pain at the ever-larger updates. Fortunately, I have bandwidth at work and can bring home the standalone packages on a ZIP disk from an office Mac.
je ne suis pas un fou
Yes, this has happened again. Back in the days of 10.2.6, I used to own an iBook, where upgrading from 10.2.5 to 10.2.6 using the Mac OS X 10.2.6 Combo Update reduced my battery's (reported) life from 4:35 to 2:05 hours. At that time, I didn't know why it happened.
Now I changed my iBook to a PowerBook G4, and upgraded 10.2.7 to 10.2.8, and the same thing has happened.
I did have one hiccup though -- the screen saver kicked in, causing the system to hang during optimisation where it could not start the selected Screen Effect to run as the screen saver. I was forced to restart the machine during a time an upgrade was taking place. But I don't think that this would have contributed to the problem since a replacement power management driver got written to the disk anyway, and the system would have taken that into account on the next startup.
So, I installed the upgrade again, in the hopes that the installer would just overwrite the relevant files. This time, the upgrade succeeded (because I disabled sleep and the screen saver).
LESSON 1: disable all system extensions that would disrupt the operation of the installer.
I learned from the iBook ordeal that the fault occurred during installation time, and that users who installed their systems on a full battery did not experience any unexpected changes to their battery life or capacity reporting, and I myself concluded that this would have to have been the case, given my experiences and the overwhelming evidence provided by the discussion group for iBook users.
LESSON 2: only apply a system update when the battery is fully charged.
I changed by battery under warranty to solve the problem... and it looks like I'll be doing it again unless a software solution to this problem can be found. A software issue caused this mess... surely a software fix can be formulated to deal with it.
My next step is to charge the battery to 100%, and re-run the update installer again to see if this "fixes" the battery calibration issues. I'll get back to this discussion and tell you the outcome.
For anyone who thinks I'm joking... here's evidence of the aftermath! I didn't mean to do it--I installed it without checking my battery charge at the time--but it's done, and is proof to me that the problem will be with us until an effort is made to find and fix the bugs in the system kernel code that deals with the maintenance of the battery, especially at module initialisation.
No it is pretty hard for find a beige computer these days. Try finding a beige computer at your local Best Buy, you won't. Most PCs are black and grey, sonys are blue-ish purple-ish, and hp are something other than beige too.
Yep. I had some "UI modification utilities" running. My Dock went to Jeebus.
For those of you complaining about the Dock, try not having one for a day.
Fortunately I back up better than Sir-Mix-A-Lot's dancers.
- learn to swim.
Okay, I hav just come home from military and read in the mac forums that osx have come in version 10.2.8. Well, I am running v.10.2.6 on my powerbook 667mhz, and software update tells me that my software is up to date. I can't find any standalone updates for 10.2.7. Does this mean that that version also have been pulled?
Well, agreed 10.2.8 affected a small population, but my gripe is more with APPLECARE, or more appropriately, APPLEDOESNTCARE.
;-) with the kext replacement hack, so that's up and running (whew!)
Spent $500 on it with initial purchase of my PB17, and just a dreadful experience with their tech folks. It's like they've memorized the "Redmond Mantra" of "Reboot, Reinstall" but modified it as "Archive Install".
That was also the response to the 10.2.8 fiasco.
That's their answer to every problem I've had since June (3 separate incidents).
No troubleshooting, no actual "thinking" (differently or not...) -- just plain lazy if you ask me. "Gee, I don't know..." is the most technical thing I've ever heard them say.
I ask, if they don't know, who does?!? They're the VENDOR!
Fixed the 10.2.8 etherNOT
2nd most recent issue I ended up fixing ON MY OWN with a parallel install on FW drive, then a little kinkiness with a command-line "bless" and voila! problem fixed.
$500 is a bit steep when all I assume I'll ever get is hardware replacement.
"Archive Install" (qv. "lose a week of my time reinstalling apps and recovering data from backups") is NOT tech support.
And they want to sell me Xserves? I get this GARBAGE from them with a PB, you think I'm going to trust them with my SERVERS???
When pigs fly...
*grumble*