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From Artist To Spam-Hunter

I am Kobayashi writes "Wired has a story about Andy Markley, a graphic artists, whose business domain name was spoofed by infamous spammer Eddy Marin and used to spam thousands of people. After the incident recurred at a new ISP, and at the risk of his business and sanity, Markley fought back. He tracked down Marin through several spoofed email addresses and several hi-jacked servers, and eventually was successful in getting Marin's current ISP to shut down his account. Too bad he was a graphic artist and not a professional bounty hunter...."

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  1. glad for one positive hit by SHEENmaster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Get 10,000,000 more of these guys and major domains will start accepting mail from innocent bystandards like me that are unlucky enough to be on small subnets again.

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    1. Re:glad for one positive hit by ender-iii · · Score: 2, Funny

      10,000,000 ?!

      What we need here is a new empire with army of cloned bounty hunters... or something!

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  2. Spamming by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Spamming is such a dirty business that most spammers will commit some illegality somewhere. Their character is rarely that of a saint. And most ISPs will do anything to keep a spammer off of their bandwidth. So if you go after a spammer, there will probably be some dirt to smear him with somewhere.

    1. Re:Spamming by Chris+Burkhardt · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Their character is rarely that of a saint.

      Maybe not, but I've seen spam from monks selling laser toner.

      Seriously, someone should tell the monks that spamming is not good.

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  3. The Spam Hunter - Crikey! by Kenja · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here we see the Spammer in his native environment, lets pull his network connection and see if we can get him rialed up. Crikey, look at em dial tech support!

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    1. Re:The Spam Hunter - Crikey! by k12linux · · Score: 4, Funny

      Kenja earns the much coveted: (Score:6, Funny)

  4. Not surprising that his previous ISP did nothing.. by Dimensio · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Verio is notoriously spam- and crime-friendly. So much so that I wouldn't be surprised if their management sold their children out to child pornography websites.

    As for convicted coke dealer Eddy Marin, he deserves horrible and painful death for his actions. It's sad that no one has taken him out yet.

  5. Amazing story! by antic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow, what a revenge! This has all the exciting hallmarks of the most boring story in the world. He shut down a single ISP account. I'm stunned!

    I hope the author isn't holding out for a script-writing deal for anything starring Chuck Norris or Lorenzo Lamas. It's hardly going to get rapped about by Dre, is it?

    From Artist to Spam-Hunter to zzz...

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    1. Re:Amazing story! by metroid+composite · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You know, just because it's only on a small scale doesn't mean it's boring. Heck, RIAA suing a 12-year-old Girl made the newspapers, and I heard about that lawsuit before I knew what RIAA was.

      Besides, such effects seem to snowball in the courts. If smalltime people can shut down one ISP, then they'll shut down another; where there might be only one case this year, a year or two down the road there could be twelve

    2. Re:Amazing story! by sharkey · · Score: 4, Funny
      I hope the author isn't holding out for a script-writing deal for anything starring Chuck Norris or Lorenzo Lamas.

      No, but it seems to be prime material for Kevin Costner's next magnum.

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    3. Re:Amazing story! by EvilAlien · · Score: 2, Funny
      No, his point is that they are two barely-actors, Chuck being long past his prime and reduced to crappy TV shows, and Lamas being a B-movie flunky at best.

      I've been responsible for a hell of a lot more than 1 spammer losing their Internet connections, it never occured to me to put out a press release. This is none news... I give it a 1 out of 5. Now had it involved SCO, I would have gone with 3 out of 5, because I just love reading about SCO and their wacky antics... now thats a good topic for a movie, maybe we can get Governor Schwarzenegger as Linus Torvalds and Gary Shandling as Darrrrrrllll Mc Bride.

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    4. Re:Amazing story! by mckyj57 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, what a revenge! This has all the exciting hallmarks of the most boring story in the world. He shut down a single ISP account. I'm stunned!

      You think Eddy Marin fools around with a single ISP account like a dialup? I believe WCG had him signed up for a dozen class C networks...encompassing a couple thousand IP addresses.

      If Eddy Marin wants a single account, he just rapes a proxy. He needs the class Cs to do the sinultaneous raping of thousands of them.

      If you are a Windows-head, which it sounds like you may be from your 'tude, he may be raping *your* machine.

  6. SpamCop will help with backtracking headers by Spazholio · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you want to do the same thing as this guy, try using SpamCop. Paste the entire email (with headers, duh) there, and it will backtrack the message to where it originated. It will tell you which company it came from, which one is being advertised, etc. For the especially lazy, it will also allow you to send a carbon-copy form letter to all parties involved. Best of all, it's free. Consider donating though, it's worth it.

    1. Re:SpamCop will help with backtracking headers by stilwebm · · Score: 4, Informative

      OK, enough of these wise-guy posts saying "I've cancelled spammer's ISP accounts before too" and "he could have just used SpamCop." First of all, if you are at all familiar with spam operations, you would know that spammers do not use mail servers hosted on their own network 95% of the time. Second, if you RTFA, you would see that was exactly the case. The article clearly states that he "painstakingly worked his way through a half-dozen hijacked servers."

      These were likely servers that had been compromised or accidentaly misconfigued and turned in to open proxies. Spammers use dozens of these per mailing. However, they have to send the spam to these hijacked servers from somewhere. Much of the time these are home users on cable modems or DSL, so this isn't always easy. There is no trace of the actual origin in the headers, just the proxy or relay. The ISP shuts down their connection and the spammer moves on. The hijacked server often has no record of the actual origin of the mail, or upon being cleaned, the records are cleaned. In this case, the victim was able to find where the proxies were getting the original messages from. This isn't as simple as submitting to SpamCop.

    2. Re:SpamCop will help with backtracking headers by Phroggy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What has your experience with SpamCop's system been?

      Nothing but good things to say about them, and I've been on the other end too - I've worked in the abuse department at an ISP, and the vast majority of our spam complaints came from SpamCop. They put all the most important info in the subject line and the reports are all formatted consistently, making it very easy to deal with them. We were understaffed for awhile, so the SpamCop reports were the ones I dealt with first, because I could get them out of the way faster.

      I also use the service myself. There have been some occasional glitches, which have almost entirely been due to denial of service attacks. These glitches have not caused me to lose mail, but DDoS attacks have caused mail to be delayed on occasion - normally it's delivered in seconds, but I've seen it take a day or so.

      The way I have it set up, mail to my domain is forwarded to my SpamCop account, and anything that doesn't get stopped by their filter is forwarded on to my server at home. If I have any problems with my server at home, I can disable the forwarding and use SpamCop's webmail temporarily.

      Depending on how you have things set up, if SpamCop thinks something doesn't look right, it is possible to report yourself to your own ISP's abuse department. They don't like that much. When submitting a complaint, be sure to review the list of addresses the complaint will be sent to before sending it.

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    3. Re:SpamCop will help with backtracking headers by sbeitzel · · Score: 2, Informative
      On the other hand, there is the occasional person who'd appreciate knowing how to stem the tide. On my home machine, I had junkbuster running but allowing connections from anywhere, so that I didn't have to maintain many blocklists -- but it turns out that that's a big spam loophole.

      For months, that machine was listed as being a spam relay, but every relay tester I found reported that no, the host was fine. Finally, somebody (I forget which blacklist it was) added a junkbuster test to their relay tester, and I found out how spam was getting out through my machine. I then plugged that hole.

      It's way more helpful to offer links or information on "how to harden your server against spammers" than it is to bitch about open relays. I certainly appreciated the information -- and as soon as I got it, I fixed the problem. The same must be true for other people (although probably not all).

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  7. Professional Bounty Hunter by nacturation · · Score: 5, Funny

    Qualified candidates must be professional bounty hunters with verifiable experience and verifiable references.

    Yes, my name is Boba Fett and I worked for a Hut called Jabba -- this was a long time ago and in a remote galaxy. During my tenure with Jabba, I successfully tracked and captured Han Solo, wanted for failure to pay back a sizable loan.

    I'm fully familiar with the use of various weaponry, grappling hooks, and personal rocket packs. I have also done consulting work for Mr. Vader, a well known businessman who spearheaded the creation of a large spherical space station.

    References available upon request.

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    1. Re:Professional Bounty Hunter by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

      "I'm fully familiar with the use of various weaponry, grappling hooks, and personal rocket packs. I have also done consulting work for Mr. Vader, a well known businessman who spearheaded the creation of a large spherical space station.

      References available upon request."


      Professional Weaknesses:

      - Once knocked into a Sarlacc Pit by a blind man.

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  8. Identity theft by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, this is identity theft. Why cannot spammers be prosecuted for assuming somebody elses "identity" and doing business/making money at the expense of others? This practice is illegal and there must be a legal precedent, yes?

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    1. Re:Identity theft by donnz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Took the words out of my mouth.

      Why all the new laws required outlawing spam when *all* spam I receive is fraudulent (as is the practice of highjacking my businesses ID for spam)? I have cannot remember the last time I received unsolicited marketing material where email headers and the email itself was not fraudulent.

      This is what our public prosecutors should be chasing down and gaining convictions on - can anyone tell me why they are not?

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    2. Re:Identity theft by k12linux · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I have cannot remember the last time I received unsolicited marketing material where email headers and the email itself was not fraudulent.

      Just today I got an e-mail for a service I actually could have used. But as is my policy, I wrote back that I would have liked to discuss thier product, as it appears to meet a current need. Then I said that I could not, however, do business with a company who chose to use spam to advertise.

      Very quickly I got a reply stating "if it was spam would I have time to reply" and that I should "cool down" and then get back to them. That prompted a close look at the mail logs and headers of the initial message.

      Ok, finally to the "fraudulent" part:
      My next reply asked what type of legitimate "non-spam" e-mail has a forged source server name that is the same as my mail server (including domain.) And why, if it was not spam did the logs have a string of e-mails from his domain to a list of users which looked something like cabrams cadams cbernstein chinkle chobledorf... an alphabetical list of our user's e-mail addresses. And why, if these "non-spam" messages were not just a blanket spam, did the list include e-mail addresses that exist only on one of our web pages and never existed on our mail server? And by they way, "we still will never be doing business with your company."

      So (SURPRISE) that the guy wasn't overly worried about ethics when he replied to my first message.

      Never did hear back after that 2nd message.. bu then again mail from thier domain is blocked now.

  9. so disappointed by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2, Troll

    i expected a "and he torched the spammer's luxurious mansion in revenge" kind of ending... :(

  10. How appropriate by Gunfighter · · Score: 4, Funny
    After seeing what looks like a solid plan for spam, I decided to change my business model today. You can read all about it here.

    Finally, something to fill in the ????? in my
    1. Linux
    2. ?????
    3. Profit!!
    business plan. Now I don't have to hide my email address(es) anymore!
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    1. Re:How appropriate by Styros · · Score: 2, Insightful
      IANAL. Just to get that out of the way.

      I've been thinking about your "service", and I think it can be legally binding. Similar agreements exist, for example those catch-22 EULAs and the infamous Opt-Out agreements, where if you register you "automatically" get signed up for ads, unless you specifically opt-out. I think you're service stands a chance if you add some statements based on the EULAs and Opt-Out agreements that I've seen:

      • The EULA is in theory binding if you click on the "OK" or "Agree" button. So then, you make an email address that's like "web_service_agree@blah.com" or "i_agree@blah.com", and specify that if anyone sends an email to that email address then they acknowledge that they agree to your web review service. I think those email addresses are clear enough, that it can be substituted for clicking on a button. Instead of clinking on the "I agree" button, they send an email to "I_Agree@blah.com". Close enough, IMHO. That way, they can't say they were tricked.
      • Specify that you reserve the right to waive any fees for using your service. So if any of your friends happen to email that address by mistake, it's in the EULA that you don't have to bill them.
      • Specify that you reserve the right to change the EULA without notice.


      I think you should send out an invoice along with a copy of the agreement and see what happens. I will attempt to write a more "legal" sounding agreement, and do a service like that too. I may like spam after all.
    2. Re:How appropriate by dustman · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yeah, these sorts of things always make me wonder.
      Any company or individual, either directly or indirectly, who knowlingly sends unsolicited email to any address associated with this domain, or that sends data which results in a uncontrolled web browser pop up...window
      What if I send them an email, which contains a popup to my website? But, this website is "very secret", and my charge to access it is 1 BILLION DOLLARS (pinky to mouth) per page view.

      I could even include in the email something like "by going here you agree to pay me all of your income forever"

      Until both sides agree to a contract, there is no contract.
  11. Wrong by segment · · Score: 3, Interesting
    And most ISPs will do anything to keep a spammer off of their bandwidth

    Most can't do anything about it coming into their networks. Going out yes, but coming in, there is nothing that can be done unless every single customer agrees that spam should not reach their mailbox. See in order to add those kinds of rules to a router, it has to correspond to all. No ISP is going to update multitudes of routers to add one rule for one person.

    1. Re:Wrong by LordLucless · · Score: 2, Informative

      I assume the grandparent is referring to the ISP providing the spammer with his service, not the ISPs providing the intermediate jumps. I'm pretty sure any ISP would disconnect anyone who it can be proved has been spamming.

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  12. Governments Should Track Down Spammers by thinkerdreamer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It would be great if governments like the U. S. gave 15 million dollars to a new force to track down spammers. The penalty for spamming is now 5 years in federal jail. 50 million people signed up for the national no-call list. I bet millions would back such a SPAM squad. It is too bad the government doesn't seem to care.

  13. Re:Vicodin, Viagra, LOW COST CLICK HERE by Spazholio · · Score: 2, Informative

    Again, working at an ISP, we cannot dictate what a user can or should not receive. He should have installed filters.

    I think he was having email spoofed to look as though it were coming FROM him, so that people were bitching about him sending it, when he wasn't. I believe this is referred to as a Joe Job.

  14. If SPAM == $$$... by thecampbeln · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ...Then we should get laws that attack the $$$ part of the equation!?

    Although the logistics of such a plan are always complicated, why not author laws that would hit spammers where it really hurts: their financial institutions!? Since you can buy the shit from these bastards, you should be able to determine where the money is going. So make laws that would seize any such moneys that are a direct result of SPAM activity?

    Hell even put the onus on Visa/MC/AmEx so that they are charged with dealing with the financial fallout! Do you think even the idiots who buy shit form SPAM would buy again if they were charged double for their purchase (once from the spammer and again from the credit card company for the penalty)? Sure there are bugs in the plan as is, but stopping SPAM from the technical side is difficult (if not impossible), so lets make it financially infeasible!

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  15. Re:Vicodin, Viagra, LOW COST CLICK HERE by jcr · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now I know I will get flamed for saying this, but when flyer distributors come around, does anyone beat their ass or track them down.

    No, but that's an idea worth considering..

    -jcr

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  16. Legal question by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A scenario: Someone damages you, but it is hard to figure out who it was. You spend money and/or time and track them down. You succeed, and sue them.

    Can you include the cost of tracking them down in the damages you are suing for?

    Can you sue for more than your actual costs, to account for the risk you took that you'd be unsuccessful in tracking them down (hence your time/money would be gone with no possibility of being repaid)?

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    1. Re:Legal question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Can you sue for more than your actual costs, to account for the risk you took that you'd be unsuccessful in tracking them down (hence your time/money would be gone with no possibility of being repaid)?"

      I Am Not A Lawyer, but I do work in a collection agency.

      I believe the short answer is, no. You will never get paid, or receive funds for the actual RISK of your actions to track someone down and receive your due finds. That is part of the situation you are in. As an example, one client will never sue someone for anything under 5k. Period. That's their line in the sand. They feel its not worth the risk. On the other hand, we have one case where the amount is 2 million, and the whole situation has turned into the point where the client wants to get the person, for whatever costs will become.

      In short, collections is a giant game of poker with the bluffing and calling to see what you can get out of someone. Is that cruel? Probably. However, that is the attitute of many clients who see it as their just rights to receive their due moneys.

      The actual risk taken in the process is never a consideration of the Judge. It would be a consideration of the client/plaintiff/person due their moneys. But it is not a legal fact in the case against someone.

      -Very much so needing to remain an AC

  17. How to track faked messages to a source. by donsaklad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How might people who receive faked messages track the messages to a source with minimal effort?...

    1. Re:How to track faked messages to a source. by the_mad_poster · · Score: 2, Informative
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  18. nailing the bastards by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It's not that hard to take down a spammer who causes you problems beyond just sending you unwanted email... I had one friend who had a spammer run a couple hundred thousand emails thru his system (a bug had made it into an open relay). It took one stern call to the ISP hosting the advertised websites to get his hosting and DNS cut off at the knees.

    This is more than just sending off a single email to a scantly watched abuse email.. This means getting hold of a real person and explaining, realistisay, what sort of legal liabilities they might be open to if they continue to support the spammer's actions. (Hacking laws, aiding and abetting, Trademark infringement and vicarious liability) often fit in there.

    If more people would do this, life would get a lot harder for spammers.

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  19. Re:solution to spam by BanjoBob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    100 E-mails a day could hurt some of us that have legitimate businesses that also have a monthly newsletter that requires we send hundreds of E-mails every month. We send each individually and do not bcc or cc the entire list (automated program). So, everything can't be black or white -- on or off. We need to allow legitimate use of mass E-mails while controlling spam at the same time.

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  20. Re:Vicodin, Viagra, LOW COST CLICK HERE by Croaker · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not necessarily. Most web hosting companies that I have seen will give you X (or unlimited) number of e-mail accounts for your domain. They also have the option of creating a "default" account, where all e-mail sent to the domain goes, if it didn't end up in one of the mailboxes that you explicetely created. This can be useful, since you can just give out random account names at your domain on a whim, and know that all of the e-mail sent there will end up in the same place. It also acts as a backstop to prevent some customer of yours having their e-mail bounce because they got the account name wrong. No e-mail to your domain will ever bounce. It also means you don't have to set up all the default e-mail addresses that people take for granted as being active in a domain (root, webmaster, postmaster, abuse, etc.)

    The downside of this is that if a spammer spoofs a totally random e-mail address within the victim's domain, the bounce messages and pissed off replies will end up in one big heap in the victim's default e-mail account. I suspect that's what happened in this case, because there was no evidence that the spammer was pissed at the guy to begin with.

    Default e-mail is also a big pain in the ass when a spammer tries a dictionary attack on a domain in order to find valid e-mail addresses. That's when the spammer sends e-mail to a@yourdomain.com, aa@yourdomain,com, aaa@yourdomain.com, ad nauseum. If you have a default e-mail address, *all* of these spams will be delivered. Say goodbye to your disk quota!

  21. I sure care! by Michael+B.+Davis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I had exactly the same thing happen to me.

    The spam in question was a pharmaceutical firm, and one morning I got just about 50 'undeliverable mail' messages with my email address as the sender. I never got any complaint letters, and it hasn't happened since (that was about Sep 21, 2003 give or take a day).

    I figure I never got the flak because no one ever comes to my site anyway...

    Michael in Toronto

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  22. Let's not be too hasty by el_munkie · · Score: 2, Funny

    There's nothing wrong with dealing coke.

    Spamming, on the other hand....

  23. Another vote for "SUE HIM" by ChangeOnInstall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    IANAL, but if this guy has as much evidence as he claims to against this spammer, he needs to sue the spammer. The spammer is knowingly committing an act that he knows will cause damage to the business that he is effectively "impersonating". He is doing it to turn a profit from an illegal activity. If proof of this act is available, the victim here could be looking at a pretty stout judgement. If this guy made $750,000 spamming people last year, there's a good chance he'll be able to find an attorney who will pursue this on a contingency basis.

    And IIRC, I'm pretty certain the victim can sue the spammer from his home state (especially nice since the spammer is on the opposite end of the country).

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  24. Solution to SPAM by Sly+Mongoose · · Score: 2, Informative
    Only workable solution:
    1. Bayesian filters (or similar) on the SMTP servers, analyzing and SPAM-rating e-mail on a line-by-line basis, as it is inbound to the server.
    2. Packet-by-packet connection throttling of all connections to the SMTP server, based on the current SPAM-rating of the open connection.
    All mail will get through. There are no false-positive or false-negative issues to deal with. There are no freedom-of-speech issues to deal with. But SPAM works only because of VOLUME and this will drastically reduce the volume of SPAM that a server can send, making spamming unprofitable.

    Not my idea -- someone else suggested the scheme a while back. I wish I could remember/locate a reference.
  25. Re:solution to spam by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is from my previous post on the subject, and outlines my plan for eliminating spam, worldwide.

    Offer a reward of, say, $50,000 for every bona-fide spammer brought in alive, and double that if he has already assumed room temperature. The beauty of my scheme is that it, like the Internet itself, knows no borders. If someone successfully manages to capture or whack outright a spammer in, say, Nigeria ... no problem. Just give us your email address and we'll PayPal you the money. Don't have Internet? No problem: we'll get you the money. My research indicates that, if my plan were to be implemented on a sufficiently wide scale, we could expect to see the end of Spam by next Friday. Now, fifty to one hundred thousand dollars per spammer may seem excessive, particularly as these people are already intrinsically worthless. However, if you look at the numbers, the worldwide savings that will accrue from not having to accommodate spam will be dramatic, and will far outweigh the actual disposal costs. Furthermore, I am sure that once the ball is rolling, we can count on additional help from our friends and allies around the world. Of course, some of our {ahem} less-enlightened neighbors might object to our putting out what might appear, at first glance, to be a "hit", or contract, on their nationals. But as soon as senior bureaucrats, heads-of-state, industry leaders and their secretaries begin to notice the comparative emptiness of their in-boxes, I firmly believe that they will quickly come 'round to our way of thinking.

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  26. Re:Obligitory Comment by randyest · · Score: 3, Funny

    It really isn't obligatory at all. Really. I swear. In fact, it's highly discouraged nowadays since it's not in the least bit funny anymore.

    Only a slashdot poster such as yourself can pound a joke so hard and for so long that even a great Simpsons' line makes me queasy when I read it. But I have to hand it to you -- you, my friend, are clearly the master of pounding it long and hard. But please don't feel obliged in any way.

    You can take a rest any time and no one will miss it. Except for possibly your local Kleenex(TM) and/or hand lotion distributors.

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  27. Williams Communications Group shining. by Agent+R · · Score: 4, Informative

    WCG.net, and told the tech support staff what had been happening. Within a few hours, Marin's account had been canceled.

    Baloney! It is likely that they told Marin to change the domain name before Markley sues and WCG loses their big bonus blood money.

    But WCG sounded sincerely surprised to find out the infamous Eddy Marin was one of their customers."

    Rule #1! Williams Communications Group is notorious for continuously providing bandwidth to spammers with dirty /24s. Then they feign this concern by "shinning" on those who complain about their dubious customers. Why don't someone ask them about Wholesalebandwidth.com/Optigate?

    Anyone who wants to know about Marin and his scum operation can see it on Spamhaus.org:
    http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/search.lasso?evidenc efile=1114

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  28. Re:Hardcore Revenge on a Spammer by randyest · · Score: 2

    This is a great story which I genuinely enjoyed reading. I laughed out loud more than once.

    That said, please be very careful if you choose to follow the "Let's Get Brutal" link provided at the end of the linked site. Do yourself a favor and resist all temptation to click on the "Rodona Garst Breast Size" link there, as it is only a little less offensive than goatse.cx.

    You have been warned.

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  29. Re:*You* are Wrong by mckyj57 · · Score: 5, Informative

    No one does spam filtering at routers.

    There are filters and blocklists, but they have nothing to do with
    routers. Long ago particularly egregious spammers were blackholed at the
    router level, but that hasn't happened for years.

    No ISP can stop all spam, but given enough resources we can stop most
    of it. The problem is usually somewhat like you allude to, that there
    is a certain set of people with an absolute horror of a non-spam
    message being bounced. They claim "loss of email", and thereupon close
    their ears.

    But there is a more insidious foe, the scan-and-delete error.

    Most admins today have two basic ways to stop spam -- blocking and user-
    based filtering. Blocking rejects spam detected (via filter or
    blocklist) and puts the onus on the sender to re-establish the
    communication. User-based filtering puts the onus on the recipient to
    review their spam folder and look for "false positives".

    And there are three ways to play your two tools.

    1. Little or weak filtering or blocking means communications are lost as
    people have scan-and-delete errors due to battle fatigue from their
    daily fight with spam in their mailbox. Much legitimate email is
    lost, and it is lost and *neither party knows it was never read*.
    This collateral damage is spread over every part of the net,
    spam-friendly or no.

    2. Aggressive filtering and tagging for dropping in the user's "spam"
    folder means that legitimate communications are tagged as false-
    positives. People usually don't scan their spam folders carefully,
    because such a high percentage is spam. Again, legitimate email is
    lost and *neither party knows it was never read*. This collateral
    damage is spread over every part of the net, spam-friendly or no.

    3. Aggressive rejection of email via blocklisting causes some legitimate
    email to be rejected. However, that collateral damage is limited to
    spam-friendly parts of the Internet. The sender knows full well it
    was not read and can re-send the message via another channel if it is
    important. This knowledge also allows them to take action to correct
    blocking errors; and heightens awareness of who is not doing their
    part to fight spam.

    To me, selecting #3 is a no-brainer. When legitimate email gets lost,
    the sender knows it was not received. And it is almost all lost from
    networks participating in the massive denial of service attack on the
    Internet at large that is spam.

    AOL, for example, does a simply outstanding job of making sure spam is
    not sourced from their network. They don't allow spam hosting of any
    kind. I *never* want to lose mail from them. Same with Earthlink, MSN,
    and Hotmail. They deserve that consideration due to their effort. If my
    users lose mail from them due to scan and delete errors, I have not done
    my job. I would much rather have them lose email from the people who pay
    the spam-friendly providers. (And no, folks, those fake hotmail.com
    addresses in the From line don't mean they source spam.)

    You can do filtering at the MTA level too with rejections, but I don't
    do that except with filter settings that have a near-zero false-
    positive rate.

  30. Poor guy... by betong · · Score: 2, Funny

    First Noah's Flood of spam, then isolation and even blame, and now his server gets Slashdotted to death ;).

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  31. Reverse MX would have solved it.. by FattyBoeBatty · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So what ever happened to that great idea of including RMX records in zone files? It would 100% eliminate spam like this (which accounts for the vast majority). I haven't heard anything frome either qmail or sendmail implementing it.. which sucks.

    See, the reason I'm so big on this, is because I consulted at implementing this at Shadango.com (a new, free, filtering service). We started performing reverse lookups and you would NOT believe the filtering success. It was like day and night. So seriously.. try implementing that on your mail servers and see what happens. And if you're just curious and want to see how effective it can be, check out the implementation at Shadango.com

    -Fatty

  32. Been there, done that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    I've had this problem, and I've successfully put a major porno spammer out of business, although it took a while.

    The spammer was forging mail from one of my domains. Since the domain name was a registered trademark, I had some extra leverage. ISPs have a "safe harbor" for E-mail content, but not for trademark infringements.

    I ignored where the mail was coming from, and concentrated on where the money went when you placed an order. The spammer had two phony "billing companies", with phony addresses. Accepting credit cards without providing a valid business name is illegal in many states, so, by sending appropriate letters to the ISPs that hosted his billing sites, I was able to turn off his income stream. The sites reappeared on other ISPs, but with some work, I was able to get his domain registrar to lock some of his domains.

    This is an effective tactic. If you file an "incorrect whois data" complaint with the Internic, and the registrar can't contact the domain owner, the domain goes to "locked" state. Then, if you get the hosting company to dump them, they can't move the site. In this case, the spammer operated his own DNS servers (triply redundant, on different ISPs), so I had to get all of them kicked off various ISPs.

    By now, I'd had this guy kicked off ISPs from Dallas to London to Sao Paulo. This was made easier by the fact that he was paying for much, if not all, of his hosting with stolen credit card numbers. Since his porno sites generated credit card numbers, he could keep signing up for new hosting accounts with his customer's credit cards. That doesn't work once the ISP knows who to look for.

    Finally, the guy retreated to his home ISP in St. Petersburg, Russia, where he apparently felt safe. That took a while to crack. I found out that the upstream provider used by the small St. Petersburg ISP was a larger telecom company in Moscow. That company was in the process of doing an initial public offering on NASDAQ. I talked to their investment people in New York, and eventually received a call from the Russian telecom's CEO. It turned out that we had some friends in common, and that he knew about the small St. Petersburg ISP as a known problem.

    With that connection, I had some discussions with the St. Petersburg ISP, which kicked off the spammer. He came back with new accounts the next day. I got those accounts closed. This went on for several weeks. Finally, after some additional prodding, the St. Petersburg ISP shut the guy down and kept him shut down.

    It's been months now, and the spammer's content is nowhere that Google can find it, so he seems to be out of business.

    The key to dealing with spammers is to follow the money. While dealing with this problem, I talked to bankers, the people who developed his billing system, and a company to which he'd outsourced web design. Eventually, a picture of the spammer emerged. This was basically a one or two person operation devoted to stealing credit card numbers. Once I knew that, getting cooperation in shutting the guy down was reasonably easy.

    Trademarking your web site name gives you some additional legal options, and is definitely worth the $450 or so it costs. When you raise a trademark issue, the problem escalates to the ISP's legal department, and you're no longer dealing with the customer service people.

    Once you get to the legal people, and fraud is involved, you can point out that the ISP, once informed of the problem, is knowingly aiding and abetting a fraud scheme. This usually results in quick action.

    It's always useful to check business license and corporate filing data. If you find a Whois entry for Phonycorp, Inc. at a Mail Boxes Etc. address, find out whether the company has a business license (where required) and is registered as a corporation in the state. If they don't, they're doing business illegally. So report them to the IRS, the state tax authorities, and the local authorities. ("Hello, City Assessor's Office? I'm trying to locate the offices

    1. Re:Been there, done that. by Rinikusu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Indeed, but what about a smaller business that can't afford to go through those lengths? What I'm kinda getting at would be, where's an organization that could do this PROFESSIONALLY for people willing to pay? Think of it as an internet legal strongarm. I would think there would be a demand for a company that specializes in tracking down domain spoofers, contacting the correct people (and after you do it for awhile, you quickly learn who to contact at various ISP's for problems, etc, rather than having to "reinvent" the wheel as we have to do now), getting local authorities involved if there's criminal activity, etc etc, as well as providing a mechanism for "self-policing" member companies. If member A isn't holding up to the group's TOS or Acceptable conduct (for instance, they allow spammers to reside on their network knowingly), the other groups could then collectively pressure that member to yield (you know, backbone issues.. Kinda hard to sell internet service when you piss off Member J who owns your backbone...)

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  33. Coke Cover by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 3, Interesting


    As for convicted coke dealer Eddy Marin...


    Not that I would dispute the accuracy or honesty of someone who makes a living from such activites as spamming and (apparently) dealing coke... but...

    Ya suppose all this money Eddy likes to gush about in interviews comes from an activity other than spamming? Wouldn't spamming make a great way to launder income. Its already a shady, though not entirely illegal business. It wouldn't be too odd to have a customer base that's a litle difficult to trace. And it would explain a solid income without any apparent labor, contacts, or business partners.

    (not that this little conspiracy theory has plenty of holes - but hey, that's not the fun of it)
  34. Re:*You* are Wrong by Volmarias · · Score: 2, Troll

    3. Aggressive rejection of email via blocklisting causes some legitimate email to be rejected. However, that collateral damage is limited to spam-friendly parts of the Internet. The sender knows full well it was not read and can re-send the message via another channel if it is important. This knowledge also allows them to take action to correct blocking errors; and heightens awareness of who is not doing their part to fight spam.

    Anyone who reads somethingawful.com knows that this isn't necessarily the nobrainer that you think it is. They had a particular problem where people would be able to sign up for their forum accounts, but they could not be mailed back with the activation because of the SPEWS blacklist determining that the part of the internet SomethingAwful belonged to was Spammerville, USA. This meant that 10-20% of the people who tried to get a forums account couldn't be mailed back, and SomethingAwful could even mail them back to explain why!

    Here's a nice link for the angry rantings of Zack "GeistEditor" Parsons on the subject. Yes, we should fight spammers at every turn we get, but the "collatoral damage" means that some people can't even find out why they never get a reply from their girlfriend/grandparents/long lost friend.

  35. SPF, Sender Permitted From by joostje · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I haven't seen SPF being mentioned yet.

    It's a sistem whereby you, the domain-owner, via DNS records, explains what SMTP-servers (their IP adresses) are allowed to send email with your domain in the From: header.

    To me it really does look like a way to kill spam, if it were adopted.

  36. Re:Vicodin, Viagra, LOW COST CLICK HERE by Oddly_Drac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Again, working at an ISP, we cannot dictate what a user can or should not receive."

    Horseshit. Go and read your AUP regarding guarantees of service. What you meant to say was, 'If we get caught running false positives it would be embarrassing'.

    "He should have installed filters."

    Of course he should. That would have stopped the joe-job happening.

    What I don't get is why ISPs don't have some method of, say, 'assuming' that someone receiving several hundred bouncebacks is either the victim of a joe-job or actually spamming. What do you think? Reasonable?

    So block the service and drop someone a call. Swallow the emails. Tell the person who's account it was that unfortunately everything got caught in the doohickey superspam frobulator and it's another fine service.

    As someone that works for an ISP, stop wringing your hands and DO something.

    Jesus. This would be like the car industry saying that they couldn't install car alarms because of the inconvienience of people losing the fobs.

    "when flyer distributors come around, does anyone beat their ass or track them down."

    Nope. I tell them I don't want them, and they respect my wishes. If they continue then I find out where the flyers are from and have a word with them...steadily it goes up the chain until it hits law enforcement.

    "Get a filter, and if your ISP doesn't do shit change ISP's."

    Dude, the problem isn't the _end-user_, it's the piss-poor hand-wringing produced by every ISP so far that argues that they're a carrier. It's the ludicrously bad handling of complaints and the carriage of stuff from known 'bad' netblocks. It's about ISPs allowing serial rapid-fire ICMP(8) without even a courtesy call to ask if people are running virus checkers.

    At this moment in time my ISP (Demon/Thus) has disabled ICMP(8) to help calm MSBlaster. It's a bitch, but it's a proactive approach.

    "no one should dictate what someone should or should not receive"

    Don't be an ass. That's the kind of free speech bollocks that the marketers use.

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    Oddly Draconis
    Too cynical to live, too stubborn to die.
  37. Verio Are *STILL* hosting spammers by JohnFred · · Score: 2, Interesting


    One spam arrived as I was reading this! And they are still abusing whois/dns. Nice, but this guy has managed to do sweet FA

    Relevant supporting evidence attached (my account is hosed, anyway..)

    News Story.
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    http://www.internetnews.com/b us-news/article.php/3 _531911

    Spam Headers
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    Return-path:
    Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore
    for johnc@yagc.demon.co.uk id 1A4cHz-0006dB-Fh;
    Wed, 01 Oct 2003 08:25:56 +0000
    Received: from [24.128.200.166] (helo=h000ae62be489.ne.client2.attbi.com)
    by punt-3.mail.demon.net with smtp id 1A4cHz-0006dB-Fh
    for johnc@yagc.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 08:24:52 +0000
    Received: from lcs.mit.edu [59.95.222.125] by h000ae62be489.ne.client2.attbi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA4562DFCBD for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:28:33 +0000
    Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:28:33 +0000
    From: Tofikequf
    Subject: Johnc Receive your Dip1oma 1965936
    To: Johnc
    References:
    In-Reply-To:
    Message-ID:
    Reply-To: Jolisojap
    Sender: Juleka
    MIME-Version: 1.0
    Content-Type: text/html
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

    Traceroute results
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    3 130.152.80.30 10.121 ms isi-1-lngw2-pos.ln.net [AS226] Los Nettos origin AS
    4 198.172.117.161 163.950 ms ge-9-3.a01.lsanca02.us.ra.verio.net [AS2914] Verio
    5 129.250.29.136 2.821 ms xe-1-0-0-4.r21.lsanca01.us.bb.verio.net [AS2914] Verio
    6 129.250.2.11 6.288 ms p16-7-0-0.r00.lsanca01.us.bb.verio.net [AS2914] Verio
    7 129.250.9.210 9.905 ms p4-1.att.lsanca01.us.bb.verio.net [AS2914] Verio
    8 12.123.28.130 9.913 ms tbr1-p012201.la2ca.ip.att.net (DNS error)
    9 12.122.10.25 13.635 ms tbr2-cl3.sffca.ip.att.net (DNS error)
    10 12.122.9.137 12.811 ms tbr1-p012501.sffca.ip.att.net (DNS error)
    11 12.122.10.5 54.916 ms tbr1-cl1.cgcil.ip.att.net (DNS error)
    12 12.122.10.1 78.542 ms tbr1-cl1.n54ny.ip.att.net (DNS error)
    13 12.122.9.130 76.257 ms tbr2-p012501.n54ny.ip.att.net (DNS error)
    14 12.122.10.21 81.463 ms tbr1-cl1.cb1ma.ip.att.net (DNS error)
    15 12.122.11.194 80.896 ms gbr1-p40.cb1ma.ip.att.net (DNS error)
    16 12.123.40.97 80.612 ms gar1-p360.cb1ma.ip.att.net (DNS error)
    17 12.125.39.214 81.116 ms DNS error
    18 24.91.0.42 81.131 ms bar02-p6-0.wobnhe1.ma.attbb.net
    19 24.91.0.154 81.628 ms DNS error
    20 24.128.190.57 82.081 ms bar02-p4-0.lwllhe1.ma.attbb.net
    21 24.147.0.38 82.124 ms ubr01-p2-0.lwllhe1.ma.attbb.net
    22 24.128.200.166 97.001 ms h000ae62be489.ne.client2.attbi.com

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  38. Re:solution to spam by scambaiter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I already had an idea quite like this after reading the story on that spammer from .nz who left the industry after getting harassed because his real identity was made public in some local newspaper... Set up some fund which will pay bounty for accurate and valid information on proven spammers, and set up a directory just like rokso at spamhaus.org. Dont really harass them, just give them the bad feeling that we know who they really are...

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  39. SomethingAwful??? by Eggplant62 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Anyone who reads somethingawful.com knows that this isn't necessarily the nobrainer that you think it is. They had a particular problem where people would be able to sign up for their forum accounts, but they could not be mailed back with the activation because of the SPEWS blacklist determining that the part of the internet SomethingAwful belonged to was Spammerville, USA. This meant that 10-20% of the people who tried to get a forums account couldn't be mailed back, and SomethingAwful could even mail them back to explain why!

    Here's a nice link for the angry rantings of Zack "GeistEditor" Parsons on the subject. Yes, we should fight spammers at every turn we get, but the "collatoral damage" means that some people can't even find out why they never get a reply from their girlfriend/grandparents/long lost friend.

    SomethingAwful is a poor example to use in this case. Zack Parsons, in my own hog-fucking opinion, is a child who doesn't understand the basic functioning of email and blocklists and incited the flooding of newsgroup news.admin.net-abuse.email by his idiot subscribers. We saw Zack on the newsgroup and on the above-mentioned page whining like a little girl about his problems.

    Oh fucking well. Hosting with a spam-friendly provider could have been avoided. He could have contacted his hosting provider and gotten things straightened out on his own. Inciting his readers to harrass the spam fighters because he got his panties in a bunch over his mail not getting through was a bad move, and I'd think it would be an embarrassment for him.

    SPEWS and the "collateral damage" concept are one of the few things that have gotten providers off their asses to remove spammers from their networks. Just because some kid's little chat site gets their mail blocked is no reason for the site's readers to act just like spammers, and probably resulted in somethingawful's mail being even more widely blocked than it had been when only SPEWS was listing it.
  40. Same spammer forged other domains, also. by JuggleGeek · · Score: 2, Informative
    The article doesn't mention it, but the spam advertised the website mypillsrx.com, where they claim to sell various prescription drugs. More likely, they just collect your money or credit card number.

    The same spammer forged a number of other domains, including mine. I have a page about it at http://www.whitis.com/mypillsrx.htm. There is also another article available at AVN Online.

    Eddy Marin, a well known spammer with a history that includes convinctions for cocain dealing, money laundering, and who was involved with pornography, seems to be behind the spam.

    In the meantime, his pet lawyer, Mark Felstein, ( check out the cute picture) is suing several people who fight against spam for blacklisting "anonymous members" of his newly created EmarketersAmerica organization, and several anti-spam sites all over are being under DoS attacks.

    The spammers are winning because the good guys are playing fair and honest while the spammers have no morals are are making up their own rules.

  41. Re:Vicodin, Viagra, LOW COST CLICK HERE by Oddly_Drac · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Say what? If I filter my mail, how does that in *any way* protect me from some asshole..."

    They say that sarcasm is the lowest form of humour, but I like to start low and work my way up to satire, metaphor and allusion when I know my audience is breathing from the nose.

    So to make it really obvious, filters wouldn't have helped and the original poster tried to pin the blame on the user for a joe-job.

    Thanks for your input.

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    Oddly Draconis
    Too cynical to live, too stubborn to die.