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Google Tracking Frequent Users

BrianGa writes "According to this article, Google has started placing a counter on its home page for a small number of its most frequent users. Most Google users do not have it, but a select few now have a counter that notes the actual number of searches made. For the curious, an explanatory page linked to the counter reveals that this is a test, or limited-sample experiment of a new search counting feature."

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  1. Re:Google is dead : / by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Try getting the page up by IP instead of the name.

    Here is a link for you.

  2. It uses cookies to keep count by srboneidle · · Score: 4, Informative

    So if you delete your cookies, or use a browser such as Opera which automatically gets rid of them after each session it can't really keep track of you.

    Unless they actually *do* log you IP every time you search...

    1. Re:It uses cookies to keep count by bahamat · · Score: 3, Informative

      Aparently you've never run a web server.

      Every type of web server I have ever seen logs the IP address and URL of every request. Most of them even log the referrer address, browser version, and operating system. If you have cookies enabled, chances are 90% of websites you visit track you through those. In particular, /. tracks the hell out of you if you're logged in.

      Many of them log javascript, java, flash, PDF and other plugins. They also track how you got there, referral, bookmark or search engine, and what search terms you used that led you there.

    2. Re:It uses cookies to keep count by zoombat · · Score: 2, Informative
      Unless they actually *do* log you IP every time you search...

      Actually, IP's aren't a particularly good method of tracking usage either, since proxy servers and gatways often funnel traffic from multiple computers through one IP address. I'd imaging that they'd actually get better statistics from cookies.

      When analyzing the data, they could just ignore anything from browsers like Opera. At this point, it doesn't sound like they are actually trying to track people, they are just trying to figure out some useful usage statistics. It doesn't matter too much which group of people get looked as, so long as it is pretty big. 1% of IE users that don't lock down cookies would probably be a fine sample.

  3. Maybe by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Informative

    The counter is placed on computer hard drives by a cookie, a software file that a Web site places without the recipient's permission or notification and that transmits information back to the site. "If the number contains more than three digits,'' the counter notes, "you truly are a Google frequent searcher.''

    Maybe the article author should Google for browser security/privacy settings to find out how cookies are handled.

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    1. Re:Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Disable cookies and allow per session cookies in the internet zone. The per session cookies are not stored on your hard drive.
      You'll never be asked nor recieve another permanent cookie unless you place the site in your trusted security zone.
      Everyone loves to hate them so much nobody takes the time to actually figure out how their software really works.
      I go to google every day and never get a cookie.

    2. Re:Maybe by jonadab · · Score: 2, Informative

      > It is placed on your computer without your explicit authorization

      With most default browser settings, yes. The rest of the statement
      is utter hooey.

      > it does transmit the information back

      No, it _is_ the information that your _browser_ transmits back, and
      calling it a "software file", in addition to being technically
      incorrect because it's not stored as a distinct file, conjures up
      images of an active application, which together with the language
      "transmits back" makes it pretty clear that the author thinks of
      the cookie as an application that can do things -- and a natural
      reading of his description will lead someone who doesn't know any
      better to believe the same.

      It's no wonder people don't understand computers. If they read
      the news or watch TV, they will in no time flat be so confused
      they'll think the resume application they created in the Word
      operating system is stored in their Windows document on their
      computer's modem.

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  4. Re:Google is NOT dead : ) by fearlezz · · Score: 5, Informative

    Google is not dead.

    It's a result of a malicious program "Trojan.Qhosts", which exploits a bug in internet explorer to get access to your pc. Then it alters your hosts file to stop your pc from accessing google.com.

    Search google for that "Trojan.Qhosts". Ow, you can't. Okay, then try this link

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  5. Re:Google is dead : / by Sibeling · · Score: 4, Informative
    According to this address 10k+ users are seeing this problem which is probably caused by some virus.

    I'm hearing this 'virus' placed entries in the windows hosts file so that Google points to something else.
    For XP the host file can be found here:
    \Windows\System32\Drivers\etc\hosts
    for 2000 and NT:
    \Winnt\System32\Drivers\etc\hosts
    and for the other Windows systems:
    \Windows\hosts

    Check out the entries in the hosts file and make sure there's nothing strange in it

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  6. Re:won't this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    How would it be either a privacy issue or a security one. At least moreso than it is at the moment.

    If your proxy admin wants to track every Google query and match it to IP address he would just do it. All queries are in plaintext, so there is no privacy or security to begin with.

    As for the actual tracking. It would be done by cookies, so the individual PC gets the counter, not the IP address of the proxy.

    So no, there is no issue.

  7. Been doing it for a long time & limiting searc by maan · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've been told, though I haven't encountered it myself, that they've been counting searches made by individuals for a long time, and that they've even banned some people/IP addresses from doing more than X searches per day.

    This happened before the web services API when people would write robots to do specific searches. Obviously, if the robot starts making a search every 5 seconds, that'd be a problem...

    Maan

  8. hosts location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    ya both my roommates got this, but QHosts wrote a hosts file in c:\windows\help (not in it's usual location at drivers\etc) which threw me for a loop cuz i wasn't aware that windows would look there for a hosts file (or even that you could have 2 in the first place)

    QHosts also adds stuff to your registry, check here for info on what it does and how to undo the changes in your registry.

    then reboot (or maybe just re-login might work?), and you should be fine, and google won't be dead anymore (along with altavista, yahoo, msn, ask.com, lycos, hotbot...).

  9. Re:Unrelated weirdness by Zocalo · · Score: 2, Informative

    It says that if you are running Windows then you should probabably check your hosts file for an entry that redirects Google to another IP. If said file does contain such an entry then it *also* says you need to patch your system because you've been trojaned.

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  10. Re:So? Whats wrong with that? by Decaffeinated+Jedi · · Score: 3, Informative

    It should be noted that Google allows users to disable URL tracking; it's only there so the toolbar can display the current site's PageRank (which, of course, would require sending the URL to Google). As they explain in the installation, if you disable the PageRank feature through the options menu, the Google toolbar no longer makes contact with the mothership.

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  11. Watching Google Watch! by hkmwbz · · Score: 4, Informative
    I am sorry for responding twice to your inane drivel, but I had forgotten about Google Watch Watch .

    From Google Watch Watch:

    When you type "NameBase" into Google, Brandt's site comes up first, but Brandt is not satisfied with that. "My problem has been to get Google to go deep enough into my site," he says. In other words, Brandt wants Google to index the 100,000 names he has in his database, so that a Google search for "Donald Rumsfeld" will bring up NameBase's page for the secretary of defense. For some reason, though, all of NameBase's deep pages -- its pages with specific names and citations -- have a low Google page rank, which causes them to show up low in the search results. Search for "Donald Rumsfeld" in Google and in the first five pages you get a lot of .mil and .gov sites, some news stories, and some activist sites. Namebase's entry on Rumsfeld doesn't come up. (It is in Google's database, but to find it somebody would have to first wade through hundreds of results.)
    Brandt sees this as Google's major flaw. "I'm not saying there aren't some sites that are more important that others, but in Google the sites that do well are the spammy sites, sites which have Google psyched out, and a lot of big sites, corporate headquarters' sites -- they show up before sites that criticize those companies."
    In other words, Brandt recognizes that there has to be some order to Google's results, and that some sites might deserve to come up before others. He just disagrees with the way Google does it. In Brandt's ideal world, if you searched for "United Airlines," you would see untied.com -- a site critical of United -- before you see United's page. And if you searched for Rumsfeld, you'd see NameBase's dossier on him before the Defense Department's site on the "The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld."
    Google Watch exists because of someone who wants PageRank to value his opinion more than the majority. Go figure.
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  12. Expression nazi - by pr0ntab · · Score: 2, Informative

    It doesn't beg the question "how is this news except..."

    What you mean to say is, "The real question is how is this news except..."

    It begs the question: Is everyone afraid that google will know too much about you by what you search?

    The article doesn't presuppose anything, but to someone who is slightly paranoid, they might have been suddenly reminded that google tracks them once that counter appeared, hence the explanatory piece.

    Of course, google always tracks everything. That information is used to improve the relevancy metadata they use for providing "similar results", ad-word placement, etc.

    The trick is to leverage it in a way to improve the value of google. Maybe a subscription service would expose more of the trends they pick up on as a value added service. I would surely pay for something cool like that.

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  13. Re:So? Whats wrong with that? by mrtroy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Google toolbar actually prevents spyware from being installed by blocking pop-ups (which from my experience are the main source or spyware)

    So go google toolbar! And its so handy to search!

    If you dont like google/google toolbar, use a different search engine. We are using its free service, and then complain about them tracking us for reports.

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  14. Re:google's infinite memory by rootlocus · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you install the Google toolbar, you get a history of your searches.. The box that you enter the search terms is a dropdown that you can also use to pick the previous searches.

    I actually like the Google toolbar a lot. You can quickly get to the various Google pages (web/image/groups/news), see pagerank for the page you are currently viewing, get backlinks and other info, and do translation. Yet another example of something done right by the Google engineers.

  15. Google is a Privacy Time Bomb by ahodgkinson · · Score: 3, Informative
    With all the froth and lather about how great Google is as the utimate search machine, we seem to forgotten that we are slowly entering our life histories into the Internet and more recently directly into Google's databases. More amazingly we're doing it for free and in some cases we're even paying for the priviledge. No one seems to be giving any thought to who or what controls the resulting data. If you subscribe to Bill Joy's views about privacy (Why the Future Doesn't Need Us) then you're fine and the rest of this article won't concern you.

    If however, you are like most people, and you do draw a line between public and private information about yourself, then Google's innovative strategies combined with its overwhelming market share make it a privacy time bomb just waiting to explode. If Microsoft were behind Google, much of the world would be up in arms (Remember NT's supposed NSA Backdoor?) No so with Google. Strangely, perhaps because Google actually works pretty well and isn't laced with bugs that allow viruses to damage your home computer, no one makes a fuss.

    In the recent years the public has sometimes been shocked to learn about some of the side effects that our technological progress has brought. Organizations combining data from multiple databases (for 'marketing' purposes) and technologies such as license plate recognition make possible a 'technical utopia' that Big Brother could only have dreamed about.

    This combined with the hightened fear of terrorism and the corresponding (over-)reaction by governments has led to a information gathering infrastructure that is unique in world history. In the post 9/11 world there has been increasing pressure from the American government on organizations and companies (from your local library to European airlines) to forward all types to information to 'the authorities'. Google is most likely just one more intelligence source, though in all probablilty a highly valuable one, in the war against terrorism.

    Suspicions that Google has 'ties' with the NSA was published in Slashdot (Should You Fear Google?) last Febuary. After reading some of the comments associated with that article, one begins to wonder if Goggle is just the Internet arm of the Echelon project.

    While each tenticle pulling at our privacy is relatively harmless by itself, the combined affect of the multiple attacks on our personal privacy is large and disturbing. Worse still, is that we have only ourselves blame. Our very own democratic governments encourage and protect the individuals and organizations that are attempting to implement these policies. And largely because of own our ignorance and apathy, we don't raise our voices against it.

    It's like comparing the public's reaction to a government proposal to mandate the installation of ID chips in its citizens, which causes a massive outcry, vs. parents desire to install the same chips in their children, because of their fear of abductions. The end result may be the same, but in the second case we did it to ourselves.

    I guess the moral is that we should just be a bit more aware of what we're doing, and a bit more willing to say 'no'. While the current western decomcratic governments probably do 'have our best interests at heart', what happens when some unsavory character sells or gives this information to our enemies, or worse our government is no longer domocratic and becomes our enemy?

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  16. Re:Been doing it for a long time & limiting se by Shiifty · · Score: 2, Informative
    I wrote a script that would use random words to query Google for finding random webpages before they released the web API. Once they released the web API, I used it and rewrote the script so that I wasn't breaking their T&S. It can query Google as fast as you could hit the submit button, but now its regulated to 1000 searches per day, which it occasionally goes over.

    There are a number of websites out there that use the method described above without the API, and Google hasn't done anything about it. My site lists a number of these sites on the links page. Perhaps these sites just don't generate enough traffic to alarm Google, but then again Google has always been very friendly towards its users. I bet they are more concerned about bots used for malicious purposes.

  17. Re:Old science fiction story comes to mind... by Mark+Hood · · Score: 2, Informative

    It was 'Franchise' by Isaac Asimov.

    Basically MultiVac (the huge computer at the centre of the world ;) was able to track so many variables it could almost predict the outcome of an election - there were just a few variables it needed a human brain for, and it selected a 'typical' person to answer some fairly trite questions ('what do you think of the price of eggs?') to check the calibration and make the final decision.

    Not really the same as this - MultiVac was trying to determine the outcome of an election, or the average of a number of votes, not the 'average voter'. Bear in mind the average voter doesn't vote :)

    Mark

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