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Dreambox DM7000: Hackable DVR

An anonymous reader copies-and-pastes "The Dreambox DM7000 from Dream-Multimedia-Tv (DMM) is a $395 Linux-based digital radio and digital TV (DVB) satellite (or cable) receiver with digital video recorder (DVR) functions and PC connectivity. It is implemented using IBM's STB04500 set-top box chipset, which provides the necessary DVB functions like transport stream demultiplexing and MPEG2 decoding inexpensively. A minimalistic, GPL'd Linux-based software implementation has made the DM7000 popular with Linux programmers and TV device hackers."

161 comments

  1. Or just use your PC by Brahmastra · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://dvr.sourceforge.net/html/main.html

    1. Re:Or just use your PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      myth tv is better

      www.mythtv.org

    2. Re:Or just use your PC by The+Kiloman · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's also MythTV and Freevo.

      Both are fairly immature, but moderately stable. MythTV in particular is feature-rich, but most of the features don't behave quite right.

      I'd recommend giving them a try, and maybe contributing of any one is interested, but I don't see any OSS replacing the TiVo quite yet.

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    3. Re:Or just use your PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Tivo is better. Why would you

      #1- spend $600 on components to build a big, bulky, loud system that looks like crap next to your big screen
      #2- spend weeks trying to get everything working (yes, read some of the MythTV discussion boards- its next to impossible to get it working)

      When you could
      #1- spend $180 on a Tivo and have it just work out of the box

      I'll never understand you nerds. Its not even like you get the DIY satisfaction- somebody else wrote the frickin software for you!!!

    4. Re:Or just use your PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you actually used a Dreambox? Myth only supports old analogue capture boards, I'll stick with the original MPEG2 transport stream thank you very much. Not to mention a small quiet box that provides RGB/YUV outputs over SCART and an optical output, I'd like to see you get a Dolby Digital 5.1 stream out of your little analogue board and MythTV.

    5. Re:Or just use your PC by Mark+Pitman · · Score: 1

      No monthly fee and it really isn't "next to impossible to get it working". I had it up and running with very minimal effort. Just because there are people having problems with it doesn't mean it is the software's fault. Maybe they are just really stupid :)

    6. Re:Or just use your PC by Mikeytsi · · Score: 1

      He forgot step #2, "Buy $299 lifetime subscription".

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    7. Re:Or just use your PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      No, screw the lifetime subscription. It is tied directly to the tivo unit, and it is not transferable. Thats almost 2 years worth of the $13 monthly fee, assuming you don't invest the money (assuming you can get an 8% return, the present value of the annutiy is about 27 months worth of the service).

      So, if sometime in the next 27 months,
      - you decide that you want to upgrade to the latest and greatest, because lets face it, in 27 months your Tivo series 2 is going to be a dinosaur
      - you decide that you don't want to use your tivo at all anymore
      - a power surge fries your tivo
      - the hard drive crashes and your tivo becomes inoperable

      then you didn't get your money's worth from the lifetime subscription.

    8. Re:Or just use your PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh- I forgot to mention that the following skillsets are mutually exclusive:

      -Getting mythtv up and running "with very minimal effort"

      -basic personal hygene, initiating contact with females, not annoying everybody around you with your funion breath, losing your virginity, etc

      While you were trying to win the ueber-geek of the year award tweeking with your MythTV system in your mother's basement, the rest of us have been enjoying a normal life.

    9. Re:Or just use your PC by Mikeytsi · · Score: 1

      Your first two points are valid, although you could just ebay the sucker and get some return on investment. Your second two points are utter horseshit though. Tivo specifically states that it follows the machine UNLESS there is a warranty replacement, then it gets moved to the replacement machine. Tivo dies within warranty period, get new Tivo, lifetime goes to new Tivo.

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    10. Re:Or just use your PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >While you were trying to win the ueber-geek of the year award tweeking with your MythTV system in your mother's basement, the rest of us have been enjoying a normal life.

      I'll get a normal life when Mr. Spock proves that it's better than what I'm currently experiencing.

    11. Re:Or just use your PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey dumass, the warranty period is 90 days.

    12. Re:Or just use your PC by Snarfy · · Score: 1

      I've gotten my money's worth out of the lifetime subscription

    13. Re:Or just use your PC by Snarfy · · Score: 1

      if the hard drive crashes, just buy a new one. the subscription is still valid. it isn't tied to the hard drive.

    14. Re:Or just use your PC by Mikeytsi · · Score: 1

      Warranty period is 1-year. Go read it again, dipshit.

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  2. SHUT UP NERD. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod this peice of crap down.

    This... nerd ...isn't even man enough to hook up with a scary ass goth chick with weird black-and-white stockings and matty hair who hasn't showered in days and cries for attention by slitting her wrists (horizontally).

    He's a prick. Shut up, Brahmastra.

    1. Re:SHUT UP NERD. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the god damn hell are you talking about? Don't post here again.

  3. Woo by rf0 · · Score: 1

    Now I can be super l33t and hax0r my TV and record all the p0rn.

    Rus

    1. Re:Woo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, hax0red TVs record YOU!

    2. Re:Woo by Fembot · · Score: 1

      According to Industry News Nirvana corp has a competing product called the GruntMeiser 7000

  4. Scart-interfaces? by gpinzone · · Score: 1

    The back of the unit looks like it has 2 Scart-interfaces. I guess this is the PAL version? Do they make one with S-Video and/or composite video inputs?

    1. Re:Scart-interfaces? by mocm · · Score: 1

      Those are outputs. Its a DVB box not an analog TV box.

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    2. Re:Scart-interfaces? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      how about you just buy a scart->composite/svideo+l&r-audio converter?

      it's not like they're more than few bucks. and single big connector like scart is is preferable to most consumers.. just one connector to hook up instead of 3.

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    3. Re:Scart-interfaces? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      This is DTV, DVB uses MPEG2 component video thereforing makeing PAL obselete, so you don't need to worry about old analogue formats, a SCART interface outputs composite/s-video/component RGB/YUV along with stereo sound and various switching signals for 16:9 and auto switching.

      I reguarly watch 'NTSC' digital broadcasts without any problems, note that nothing is actually encoded in NTSC or PAL but their legacy scan rates still persist, but my TV is capable of scanning at 60Hz anyway.

    4. Re:Scart-interfaces? by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 1

      You still have to get the video to your display device and in Europe SCARTS are far more useful than a bunch of phono sockets. Especially when the order of decreasing quality is RGB, YUV, Y U+V (S Video), Y+U+V (Composite).

      Europe hasn't bothered with HD television because on most standard broadcasts the gain in quality isn't significant enough. On the other hand having a nice switching system, support for inter equipment comunication and widescreen switching is.

    5. Re:Scart-interfaces? by pe1chl · · Score: 1

      SCART is a 21-pin connector that has all those signals on it. You can make or buy a conversion cable between SCART and S-video, composite video, component video, or whatever you need.

  5. Little correction, partial GPL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dreambox software is partial GPL the kernel modules which drives many devices are closed source and developed by IBM... IBM was the company defending the GPL open way? err...
    What a flash-back

    1. Re:Little correction, partial GPL by The+Kiloman · · Score: 1

      Did you even RTFA? It said that the modules provided by IBM were buggy, so they wrote their own. However, the article does *not* say whether or not they have GPLd their custom drivers. That I'd be interested to know.

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    2. Re:Little correction, partial GPL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are under NDA by IBM and btw they wrote a little by their own and it's not HIMO

  6. Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by YetAnotherName · · Score: 4, Informative

    Look, it's pretty simple:

    1. Jennifer Garner of Alias has lots of super-cute freckles.

    2. Those super-cute freckles are only visible on the local HDTV broadcast.

    3. This box doesn't do HDTV.

    Luckily, there is an ATSC receiver card that's for Linux only that does do HDTV. And Jennifer Garner. And her super-cute freckles. And yes, it's quite hackable, and source is included.

    'nuff said.

    1. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by mocm · · Score: 1

      Well since it is a DVB box and not an ATSC box they could hardly support HDTV.

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    2. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      I just imagine using Jennifer Garner's ears as "handles"...

      ... and all I want for Christmas is a girl with no gag reflex...

    3. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. We need a TV that can make sure the cute people look cute. Now, if someone would develop a pair of glasses that would make ugly people in "real-life" fuzzed out and blurry looking.

    4. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *drools* freckles....

    5. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can someone provide some requirements for recording HDTV to disk?

      (RPM speed, access time, disk space:time, etc.)

    6. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by xgamer04 · · Score: 1

      Maybe with the included source you could compress the video or something.

      HD = mad pixels

      Mad pixels = Huge Filesize

      Huge Filesize = ???

      ??? = profit

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    7. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      all I want for Christmas is a girl with no gag reflex...

      Is that for when she first meets you?

    8. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by hoxford · · Score: 1

      For a full rate ATSC stream you need just over 19Mbps. To watch and record different streams at the same time you'd need double that. Add it in once more as a fudge factor and you're still only at 60Mbps. That's less than 8MBps which any disk big enough to be worthwhile using should handle without a problem.

    9. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Well bugger me senseless, here I am in Australia watching 1080i HDTV over DVB-t, either the picture before my eyes is a fiction or you don't have your facts right.

      Btw, HDTV is on satellite DVB in Europe.

    10. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Wow!! I sure hope so!

    11. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by WatertonMan · · Score: 1
      My wife has freckles, so Jennifer Garner isn't necessary. Further I download all the HDTV feeds of Alias, Smallville, and 24 off USENET. Yeah I wait a day, but it works great. I have a cron task that downloads the episodes I need.

      I do have a question though. Comcast is doing HDTV but I believe all the Linux HDTV cards only support over the air broadcasts. Anyone know if there are any cards that word with cable or dish HDTV broadcasts? (For those HDTV Animal Planet shows)

    12. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by dododge · · Score: 1

      Recording is easy, since you usually record the highly-compressed transport stream right off the air and don't bother with any MPEG decompression. As mentioned it's about 19Mbit/sec for over-the-air stations, so figure 8-10Gbyte/hour.

      I think on CATV it can run at 38Mbit/sec, but I don't know if there are any cable providers actually doing that, or cards that can capture it.

      Now, bear in mind that 19Mbit is the entire channel, and broadcasters sometimes multiplex multiple programs into a single channel. For example the local PBS station runs four standard definition subchannels during the day, then at prime time switches to one SD and one HD. So if you know which subchannel(s) you really want, you could in theory filter the transport stream before storing it (and therefore use less disk space by not storing "Barney" while recording "Nova"). This sort of filtering again requires no MPEG decompression, and should be possible without much CPU power.

      I've been doing captures without difficulty on a K7-800 to a 7200RPM Firewire drive, while doing other things on the machine.

      Playback however is an entirely different matter. For that I've been using an XP2400 with GeForceFX 5200 and it's still not completely smooth. Newer Nvidia drivers, or a card with better XvMC support (GeForce4 MX is supposedly very good), might help that.

      Moving the compressed transport stream around is easy. Actually decompressing it to a viewable image is a huge workload. There's a new set-top box called the Roku which supposedly has full HDTV hardware decompression, a network port, and runs Linux internally. Several people have asked the company about the ability to use it as an outboard MPEG player, but apparently the initial software isn't designed to do that (or at least to make it easy :-)

    13. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by mocm · · Score: 1

      It is only experimental, there is no standard yet.
      At the moment there are test transmissions using MPEG2 and a windows codec. There is no hardware decoder available in Europe, not as PCI card or STB.
      The only thing you can do is decode it by software on your PC, if it is fast enough. The dreambox is rather old hardware (almost 2 years old) so unless they update it there won't be HDTV on this box.
      I guess you could stream HDTV from the dreambox to a PC though.

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    14. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by -tji · · Score: 1

      > Further I download all the HDTV feeds of Alias, Smallville, and 24 off USENET. Yeah I wait a day, but it works great. I have a cron task that downloads the episodes I need.

      I assume this is a joke.. 8GB/hr HDTV data streams, uuencoded then fragmented onto usenet. Yeah, that must work great. A $30 UHF antenna and an HDTV PCI card does the job for me.

      > Anyone know if there are any cards that word with cable or dish HDTV broadcasts?

      There is a community closed source project that is enhancing the Windows software for the AccessHDTV card. They have a beta version that supports cable QAM encoding.

      DVICO's FusionHDTV III (Windows only) will be released soon. It is reported to support QAM.

      Both of those cards will only be able to support unencrypted channels. The premium channels, like HBO-HD and Showtime-HD, are encrypted.

      There are no cards that support US satellite services - the content security they use prevents this.

      By the way - there is no HDTV Animal Planet channel.. There is a Discovery-HD, but their selection is rather limited right now.

    15. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well Australia isn't in Europe so... What's you point?

    16. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 1

      There is no hardware decoder available in Europe, not as PCI card or STB.

      That's what you think ;-)

    17. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by mocm · · Score: 1

      >That's what you think ;-)

      Then tell me where I can buy one. Developement boxes
      don't count, those are not available to the public and you won't find any until there is a standard and regukar programming.

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    18. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1
      I just imagine using Jennifer Garner's ears as "handles"...

      I find it's easier to carry her using the supplied holes in the lower torso.

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    19. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by WatertonMan · · Score: 1

      No joke. Check out newsgroups like alt.binaries.smallville, alt.binaries.multimedia.smallville, alt.binaries.multimedia.alias etc. If you use the newsgrab perl script as a cron job then there really is no hassle. I just check my directory the following day and there is the MPEG of the HDTV feed. (Typically only 1 GB with commercials removed and remember that the stations don't broadcast in anywhere near the highest HDTV resolution)

    20. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by ameoba · · Score: 1

      I always forget if it's "two in the pink & one in the stink) or the other way 'round...

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    21. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by ameoba · · Score: 1

      Even better, we have beer. It makes the ugly people cute.

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    22. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 1

      The question is why do you want HDTV? It's big in the US because it's such an improvement over NTSC. PAL (via RGB) is that much closer that it's not worth the effort.

  7. Hackable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where do people learn how to these things? Where do they get the time? Why not just pay. And who puts out the information?

    1. Re:Hackable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where do people find out about slashdot? Where do they get the time to post comments to stories that they are not interested in? Why not just read a newspaper. And who sends them these stories?

    2. Re:Hackable? by Aronak1 · · Score: 1

      People with sufficient electronic knowledge have been known to keep track of a given "scene" - this one being that of the obvious. Their time may be considered that time which one would dedicate to any hobby or perhaps in some cases it is professional time which their employer allows them. To pay or not to pay? To me that's rather a foolish question. If THEFT of services is not an issue then why should I pay? Who puts out the information? Every component within a device is normally spec'd somewhere by it's manufacturer. As I said - it usually takes a pretty smart electronics type (of which I am not) to really dig into this type of thing. But once that hard part is done, the word gets out and blam - it might even show up here on /. right!

      OR:

      This entire article is a direct violation of the DMCA and you are a party to it by simply having read the article. I would be extremely paranoid if I were you particularly because you left a comment, and your IP number has been permanently stored. The "authorities"TM will be asking for your identification soon.

    3. Re:Hackable? by LnxAddct · · Score: 1

      Your new to Slashdot aren't you? This is news for nerds! And its stuff that matters, what matters more to nerds then how to hack a new DVR?

  8. Death to TiVo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Another nail in the coffin of TiVo and their fucked business model. Even if this box doesn't offer all the functionality, it's just the tip of the iceberg of the no service fee required PVRs that are on the way out.

    1. Re:Death to TiVo by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it boggles the mind that they can sell you a box AND charge you to use it even though it costs them nothing when you use it.

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    2. Re:Death to TiVo by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      Why no free/easy way to download TV listings?

      Who would it hurt to let you just download the listings without a ton of horseshit, like TV guide provides a stream and specs to retrieve 'em. Use them in your homebrewed PVR, on your PDA, or whatever.

      That annoys me to no end.

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    3. Re:Death to TiVo by smackjer · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, you can use a Tivo without paying the monthly (or lifetime) fee. You don't get the program guides, season pass functionality, and suggestions, but it works as well as a VCR when you schedule to record at a date/time/duration (without tapes), and still lets you pause and replay live TV.

      The monthly/lifetime fee gets you the premium services, which are all based on having the program guide available. Well worth the cost, IMO.

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    4. Re:Death to TiVo by sl0ppy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      even though it costs them nothing when you use it

      how does it cost them nothing? let's break it down:

      o guide information has to come from somewhere. in tivo's case, they outsource

      o bandwidth for guide information needs to come from somewhere, also outsourced

      o upgrades, bug fixes, and new versions of the OS need to come from somewhere. things still cost money

      it's obvious that it costs them nothing to me, how about you?

    5. Re:Death to TiVo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ummm, yeah... I'm sure a huge number of the ~650,000 Tivo subscribers are just dying to switch to a hacker-friendly PVR...

      Now, the PVR-integrated cable boxes DO represent a threat to Tivo IMHO, but, fortunately for Tivo, there still is nothing that comes anywhere close to the Tivo software.

    6. Re:Death to TiVo by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1

      I see... I don't own a TiVo and mistakenly assumed that the functionality of the box was limited to recording programs and "pausing" live TV. Thanks for the info!

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    7. Re:Death to TiVo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the above issues ignore the fact that extensive DVB-EIT (EPG) information is broadcast for free by many providers, especially in Europe, it's not unusual to have a 7+ day plug schedule available.

    8. Re:Death to TiVo by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      you can use a Tivo without paying the monthly (or lifetime) fee.

      Really? I asked them about that, as I live outside of the Tivo service area, and they told me it wouldn't work.

    9. Re:Death to TiVo by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Actually, you can use a Tivo without paying the monthly (or lifetime) fee.

      I've heard this a lot on /.

      Half the people say it's true, the other half say it's false... I won't believe it until someone posts a link to a difinitive source (like tivo.com) which say, without a doubt, it is true.
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    10. Re:Death to TiVo by crt · · Score: 3, Informative

      The answer is "both". It used to work fine without the subscription, and that was allowed under the EULA for the software on the device.
      However, at some point (around 2.3?) they changed the EULA and stated that a subscription was required to use it - at all.

      They grandfathered in everyone who purchased before that date, so you can still buy a used TIVO that works without the subscription, but new ones technically require one. There may be a way to work around it on the new ones, but it's not going to be supported by TIVO.

      All that being said... get the subscription. It's worth it for all the time it saves and the number of times it "catches" changes that you would miss if you had to do it all manually. If you can't stand monthly, get the lifetime and pretend the device is more expensive.

    11. Re:Death to TiVo by evilviper · · Score: 1
      get the lifetime and pretend the device is more expensive.

      No thinks, I'll stick with my PC. Straight to MPEG4/Divx, easy to edit commercials out, uses any remote I wish, burns CDs at will, etc. Probably costs less than the lowest-end model Tivo, with no subscription, no limitations on what I can do with it, nothing happening behind my back, no chance it will stop working if Tivo goes out of business, no tying up my phone-line, etc.

      Right now I am putting in the times/dates myself, but I'm looking into webvcr, which should take care of that part.

      Yes, before anyone asks, I did spend several hours (over the course of a couple weeks) initially setting it up (from first Gentoo install, to fully functional) but now it's practically maintenance free, and far better than a Tivo.
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    12. Re:Death to TiVo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      xmltv

      xmltv.sf.net

      cron it up. im writing a little viewer app so i can check whats on the 4 networks i care about, COM, DSC, HIS and TLC

  9. Clickable link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    http://dvr.sourceforge.net/html/main.html

    Please use the A tag, Linux's copy and paste mechanism SUCKS, and its a PAIN IN THE ANUS to copy and paste URLs that havnen't been hyperlinked.

    1. Re:Clickable link by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      It's easier on Linux than on any other OS. Just highlight it, open a new browser tab (to let it load in the background while you read the rest of the comments), and click the middle mouse button.

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    2. Re:Clickable link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see. Hover over non-link URL. Double-left-click. Optionally hit ^T or go hit the "new tab" button. Middle click. Yeah, that's hard.

      It works. You're just too dense to handle it.

    3. Re:Clickable link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because removing the spaces slashcode inserts really sucks!

      Link goes to Tub-girl. You have been warned...

    4. Re:Clickable link by Snarfy · · Score: 1

      and that, somehow, is related to the OS?

  10. Who said Slashdot is too... by Atario · · Score: 1

    US-centric?

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  11. obligatory, but shoot me now.. by UltimaL337Star · · Score: 0

    Yes, but can it run windows?

    1. Re:obligatory, but shoot me now.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but can it run windows?

      It can crash them if thrown. Same applies to you, poster of sudden inspirations.

    2. Re:obligatory, but shoot me now.. by freeze128 · · Score: 1
      Yes, but can it run windows?
      Of course not. It's using hardware developed by IBM..... It runs OS/2.
  12. Yeah... Sure... FRECKLES... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8 &oe=UTF-8&q=jennifer+garner&sa=N&tab=w i

    Yeah, you know, I can't help but notice her freckles.

    Err...

  13. Where to buy one in the U.S.? by caferace · · Score: 1
    No where I can see, so far. Their U.S. distribution is handled out of South Africa?

    Does sound like a great box to play with though...

    1. Re:Where to buy one in the U.S.? by -tji · · Score: 1

      DVB is a European standard.. This will not work with the US satellite services.

  14. Hackable by smoyer · · Score: 3, Informative
    I work with Scientific Atlanta and Motorola set-tops every day and can tell you that there are serious limitations to the hackability of any unit like this.

    Each vendor has their own proprietary encryption format (for the content) and will only work with QPSK and QAM headend equipment that they manufacture. There is very little unencrypted content on CATV networks as digital service is generally an extra charge service. You also need to be provisioned in their billing system.

    I suspect that the hackability of this unit stops at controlling the behavior of the device. I would be very surprised if anyone managed to receive free pay services the way those who built sync inverters, tone strippers, etc to receive free analog pay channels.

    Please let me know if anyone has success!

    1. Re:Hackable by tzanger · · Score: 2, Informative

      Each vendor has their own proprietary encryption format (for the content) and will only work with QPSK and QAM headend equipment that they manufacture.

      I thought that's what the CAM was for? I am probably being overly naive about the whole procedure but I had throught that the system provided the CAM with the questions, the CAM responded with the answers (typical ZK tests) and if the answer was correct the signal came through. I know that the CAMs are relatively low-speed devices (if you pull the CAM out of your receiver you get a few seconds of video before it konks out) so they're not acutally decrypting the stream ... but jeez... You'd figure they'd have learned by now. Ugh.

      No chance this thing has Nagravision capability, is there?

    2. Re:Hackable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well in that case consider yourself very suprised

    3. Re:Hackable by smoyer · · Score: 1
      Yes, I know it's tacky to respond to your own post. First, I don't work for a cable company, I just have business ties, so please don't kill me because I can talk about the technology.

      I didn't say that you couldn't hack the unit ala videocipher for SAT broadcasts. I said I'd be surprised if you could receive on most cable networks. It WOULD be wonderful if the card reader could provide you the necessary keys to decrypt the signal. The cable industry itself desparately wants an open standards based set-top. They're currently locked into SA, GI (now Motorola) and anyone who has licensed technology from the big two.

      I don't tend to think that the cable companies will be going out-of-business, but they'd better wise up! If they play their cards correctly, they should win the telecom war. Their HFC (Hybrid Fiber/Coax) plants have far more available bandwidth than the phone companies copper loop and whether wireless can compete remains to be seen. Satellite is a good ONE-WAY technology, but won't be able to provide the Video-On-Demand (VOD) and even fancier interactive services. Want a look at the future, check out Time-Warner's MaestroTV.

    4. Re:Hackable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are talking about American systems.
      This box operates in Europe and Australia, and it can do what you think is impossible.
      Of course all due to the dedication of a few hackers outside the manufacturing company, and all limited by their ability to track the changes made by the broadcasters to counter-attack this.
      But right now it can receive hundreds of closed channels.

  15. Did they like read minds or something? by silicon+not+in+the+v · · Score: 2, Funny

    This sounds like the absolute Slashbot's dream. I can just see the engineers who designed this lurking on an Ask Slashdot forum on "What should the ideal set top box be capable of?"and writing down the system features list from user comments.

    * It should run Linux, of course.
    * It has to connect to my PC so I can write all those recorded movies to DVD-R.
    * Oh yeah, and a satellite or cable decoder, so I can HAX0RS it and "share" free movies and stuff.
    * And I'm sure the hard drive won't be big enough, so I should be able to put in a much bigger drive.

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  16. Can I connect it to my Mac? by burgburgburg · · Score: 1

    If so, what sort of a connection would be available?

    1. Re:Can I connect it to my Mac? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Use string. A reef or bowline knot will work best. Dampen the string for better performance.

    2. Re:Can I connect it to my Mac? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also wrap the string around your penis and the other to your Mac

    3. Re:Can I connect it to my Mac? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you would have an iDick :-)

    4. Re:Can I connect it to my Mac? by martinj42 · · Score: 1

      Just use the 10/100 Ethernet port. Not being a Mac user I don't know of any Dreambox apps for Mac, but the web and samba server interfaces will still work. And if you have an NFS server running on your Mac, you can use that instead of buying a hard disk for the Dreambox - that avoids the noise of hard drive bearings in your living room.

  17. Wait a minute.. by cK-Gunslinger · · Score: 1

    . It can store video on an internal hard drive (not included),

    $400 without a harddrive!? Can't you build a small AMD PC for the same price, with a 80GB hard drive?

    1. Re:Wait a minute.. by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      An 80GB hard drive can be had for $71, shipped. An HDTV tuner card runs $200-$300. Which is cheaper?

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    2. Re:Wait a minute.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This thing doesn't do HDTV

    3. Re:Wait a minute.. by cK-Gunslinger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      An 80GB hard drive can be had for $71, shipped. An HDTV tuner card runs $200-$300. Which is cheaper?

      Irrelavant, as "HDTV" is nowhere to be found in that article. Therefore I assume it doesn't support it. I can configure a PC with a standard TV tuner and MythTV for about the same price. Granted, I don't get a remote, but I get a lot more functionality.

      I can appreciate the "proof of concept" of these packaged Linux DVR boxes, but the manufacturers are not offering anything "above and beyond" for the relatively high price tags.

    4. Re:Wait a minute.. by ibbey · · Score: 1

      You're right, this isn't HDTV. However it is DVB, AKA Digital Cable, though it's vague on what Cable providers it supports. There are few, if any, decoder cards that can be had for a standard PC that do digital cable. If you can find one at all, I doubt it can be had for less then $200

    5. Re:Wait a minute.. by JamesP · · Score: 2, Funny

      It can store video on an internal hard drive (not included),

      But thats like saying (car ad): It can go places with an internal motor (not included)

      I mean, I can always get inside and listen to the radio, but...

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    6. Re:Wait a minute.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The hard disk is not included so you can select the right type for your budget.

      The big advantage of this box is that you have everything in a small, low-power, noiseless box right next to your TV, and you can connect it to your PC via ethernet.
      The picture quality is also better than from a TV-OUT VGA card.

  18. Re:wah, wah, just use your PC, like a little babby by The+Kiloman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Wooo I'm bored so I'm gonna reply to the trolling AC.

    I wish I was at home eating crackers and watching porn. Instead, I'm sitting here in the cube farm, surfing Fark and /. while telling overpaid consultants that make 8 times what I do how to do their jobs.

    Oh well, it's a paycheck. TGIF.

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  19. Is this a drop in replacement for my JVC by taozilla · · Score: 0

    Can I order this box and use it as a drop in replacement for my Dish Network PVR.

    1. Re:Is this a drop in replacement for my JVC by DonGar · · Score: 1

      Only if you live in Europe. Unlike the US, they have standards for receiver boxes, so people can make generic boxes for any service.

      Dish and DirecTV have proprietary delivery mechanisms and lock out all receiver equipment that they haven't agreed too. And they exert that control in great detail.

      Of course, that makes it easier for their tech support people....

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  20. Features by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1
    So what can this do? I didn't see pictures of the interface. Is it like mythtv? Can this browse pictures, play music, play movies from the hard drive? Or does it only perform dvr functionality? I really wish they would get one of these with a dvd player in it. Is it that you can't buy a license for the dvd decoding algorithm if you plan on using it on linux?

    Anyway, it seems interesting. I'd be interested if I was more sure of it's capability. I keep seeing things come out that do a few things here and there. They're a pvr or they can play multiple media types, or they are software and you have to build the hardware, but I still haven't seen something that is built on linux so can be improved and upgraded, functions as a PVR, plays movies from the hard disk, plays DVDs, can do surround sound and hdtv, can play music and sort it in multiple ways, can generate, save, and play music off of playlists, can be used to store, catalog, and show pictures. Plays well with windows and linux computers on the network and is a single package, (no do-it-yourself. You can just plug it in and start using.) I think the first person to come up with such a device at a reasonable price, (say 650ish) is going to get really popular really quick. Get the early adopters, start to whittle away at the price, and finally there is something new that every home theater needs.

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  21. I know just what's going to happen to this... by TyrranzzX · · Score: 1

    "Your DVD player is readily and easily modifyable to illegally recieve our signal, decrypt it, and use it as a replacement for our and other recievers. Your buisness is illegal, we'll sue.".

    The cards are on the table, lets see if they bluff or if they throw down their hand.

  22. i have one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought one 4 months ago. You can record and connect it to your pc by ethernet and tranfer the movies and then edit and record them later in a dvd (its in mpg2 format). ..and yes you can see scrambled channels in it, whit the right (free) software available..

  23. Standalones only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What he said for bandwidth and such applies to the Standalone Tivo's only. They dial in (or you can hack it a tiny amount to use broadband) and get the guide data and such. DirecTV/Tivo combo boxes get the data off the satellite receiver. Which is why the fee to use a D-Tivo is notably less ($5/month covers all the D-Tivo's you have in the house, compared to $13 each a month for each Standalone box).

  24. Dreambox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've had one for about six months and I have to say they're excellent, I recently used one to stream 1080i test transmissions to my PC.

    I hope they come out with a digital terrestrial (DVB-t) version.

  25. NO YOU CANT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Case..... $100
    AMD Processor $100
    Motherboard $100
    512 MB ram $100
    80Gb hard drive $150
    Linux Distro $50 (or $50 in bandwidth bills if you want to apt-get shit)

    Total : $600!

    Conclusion! SHUT UP NERD! STOP KARMA WHORING TRYING TO GET AN EASY 5, INSIGHFUL BY POSTING SHIT THAT ONLY NERDS CARE ABOUT!

    1. Re:NO YOU CANT! by cK-Gunslinger · · Score: 1


      Case..... $100
      AMD Processor $100
      Motherboard $100
      512 MB ram $100
      80Gb hard drive $150
      Linux Distro $50 (or $50 in bandwidth bills if you want to apt-get shit)

      Total : $600! Conclusion! SHUT UP NERD!


      -----
      Case & 350W PS $50
      AMD Processor $70
      Motherboard $60
      256MB ram $40
      80GB HD $80
      Linux CD $8

      Total: $308
      -----

      Now add a TV tuner for ~$50, NIC for $10, and mouse/KB for $15 and you have a complete PC that you can use for DVR, email, browsing, writing, music, etc for the same price as this box.

    2. Re:NO YOU CANT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whats the year of the catalog of parts and ISP charges that you got this from? No where near 2003.

      Conclusion! GET BACK IN YOUR TIME MACHINE AND RETURN TO 1999!

  26. No, it's standards based. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unlike the US, Europe (which is where this thing is) has these things called "standards".

    The DVB spec (which is what this thing records) has the capability for Conditional Access modules, which are basically decoder cards that you plug into the box. So when you're getting sat service from some provider, they give you a card that decodes their service and works with any standard DVB box.

    All the sat boxes use a Common Interface and you simply plug the card in from the sat provider who's beaming down the encrypted signals. The decrypted signals, again, use that thing called a "standard" for the content and such.

  27. Sharing decoder-cards by hhg · · Score: 1

    The Dreambox can also quite easily be fittet with software that lets a user share his decoder-smartcards over the internet (600000 users can share one card simultaniously). The Dreambox is a fuly user-customisable decoder, with few/nonexistant restrictions of what you can implement.

    1. Re:Sharing decoder-cards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That "600000" should more realistically read "6".

      Or is there a proxy/cache server available somewhere?

  28. So send patches. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So send patches. It's not like you don't have the source code for Linux.

    -- AC

  29. http://furioustv.sourceforge.net/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think a $40 ATI TV Wonder VE and furious_tv would do the trick nicely (especially with Shuriken).

    1. Re:http://furioustv.sourceforge.net/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These are stupid ass analogue TV capture boards, apples and oranges mate, nobody cares!

  30. But they COULD embrace it. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    I know just what's going to happen to this...

    "Your DVD player is readily and easily modifyable to illegally recieve our signal, decrypt it, and use it as a replacement for our and other recievers. Your buisness is illegal, we'll sue."


    Alternatively they could embrace it - by licensing a manufacturer to make a closed (and sealed) plugin to hold a smartcard (or whatever), manage authorization messages from the downlink, and decrypt the signal.

    This would be an especially good move for Dish Network (which doesn't have the bad blood from DirecTV's attack on purchasers of smartcard programming devices). Make this available and any Linux users still on DirecTV would likely switch - either immediately or as soon as their minimum committment with DTV expired - and DTV can whistle trying to get 'em back. B-)

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  31. they they they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who are they?
    Fuck they!
    'They' are a fast dying breed, welcome to the 21st century.

  32. Or, hack your TiVo - A challenge is more fun.. by jkeegan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This looks like it has potential, but it still comes with a huge downside - the device isn't a TiVo.

    There's a reason that TiVo is the most popular. The user interface is a pleasure to use. A lot of the fun of hacking your TiVo is that you're making that cool box better..

    Plus, there's something unexplainably more-fun-than-it-should-be about modifying a device that wasn't designed for it..

    If you want to play around with this but still want to be able to enjoy a great DVR, consider buying a TiVo to hack instead (or hacking the TiVo you already have).

    Might I also humbly sugest picking up a copy of the book Hacking TiVo , which ships next week. (In all fairness, I am the author, so I might have a bit of a bias). You can also go to the web on your own to find everything, but this acts as a nice guide from your initial tinkering through to the development of your own hacks.

    Hacking this device instead could definitely be interesting - it's just sad that you'd be stuck using it if it was your only DVR.

    --

    ..Jeff Keegan
    seven syllables explain TiVo: kee gan dot org slash ti vo
    1. Re:Or, hack your TiVo - A challenge is more fun.. by jkeegan · · Score: 1

      (Correction, I mistook which device this was, so disregard the part about the lack of challenge of hacking it.)

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      ..Jeff Keegan
      seven syllables explain TiVo: kee gan dot org slash ti vo
    2. Re:Or, hack your TiVo - A challenge is more fun.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You appear to be laboring under the same misconception as many of the other posters in this thread: the DreamBox is not a DVR like the TiVo, it's a hackable set-top box (STB) with DVR capabilities. The exciting thing (well, one of the exciting things) about this box is that it represents the Holy Grail of DVR's, namely the ability to record shows from a digital cable/satellite system without having to leave the digital domain!

      One of the reasons I've been reluctant to get a DVR for myself is because my broadcast engineer's soul rebels against the idea of taking material out of my digital cable system (which has already undergone lossy compression to get there) decoding it and squishing it into the hated NTSC just so it can undergo another round of lossy compression in the DVR before going BACK to NTSC when I finally get around to watching it. Yuck!

      Unfortunately, as a previous poster has pointed out, most digital cable systems are locked into proprietary GI/Motorola or SA systems as well as being encrypted, so I'll probably just swallow my objections, buy a freakin' TiVo and dream of the day when I can sit down in front of a digital monitor and watch digital television that's never known the touch of NTSC.

      mmmmmm... digital

    3. Re:Or, hack your TiVo - A challenge is more fun.. by jerkychew · · Score: 1

      Heh... glad to see you got the cover changed... no more CD-ROM drive... ;-p

    4. Re:Or, hack your TiVo - A challenge is more fun.. by jkeegan · · Score: 1

      Yep. :) As I posted on tivocommunity.com, when my editor sent me the first draft of the cover he had to warn me "The first thing you're going to notice is that it ISN'T A TIVO ON THE COVER", like he was talking down a wild gunman on a clock tower over a megaphone. :)

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      seven syllables explain TiVo: kee gan dot org slash ti vo
  33. Phone time costs by DonGar · · Score: 1

    And the majority of cost is for phone time not for the data that is downloads (ignoring the cost of software upgrades).

    If everyone used home network connections to dial in, the monthly fee could drop by quite a bit. That's why some of the other boxes out there (some versions of Replay) required a broadband connection to function.

    It's AMAZING how much it costs to provide a local dial in number throughout most of the US.

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  34. USB what? by JediTrainer · · Score: 1

    From http://www.dream-multimedia-tv.de/Bereiche/Produkt e/DM7000_featurelist.php

    USB:
    USB 1.2 connector

    Uh... I've never heard of USB 1.2. Can someone shed some light on this mysterious standard? Also, is it full speed, high speed, ultra-high speed or l33t speed?

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    1. Re:USB what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just standard 12Mbps USB, USB originally supported 1.5Mbps but it was never released, I'm not sure if that was denoted as 1.0 then the full mainstream version as 1.2.

      There's a ultra-high speed l33t connection on the Dreabox, it's known as 100Mbps Ethernet, the USB is useful for connecting a wired keyboard if required.

    2. Re:USB what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Usb on the dreambox is useful, if you stick in an usb pen you can then upload different firmwares wich you will be able to select at boot time. I own the receiver and I must say that's the glorious successor of the nokia mm9500 in terms of hackability

  35. Work with DISH networks by WatertonMan · · Score: 1
    The writeup was a little short on details. Does this work with Dish network accounts? i.e. does it store the MPEG feed of Dish without the D->A->D mess and loss? Exactly how well does it integrate into say Comcast digital cable?

    I was intrigued but wanting more information.

    Also, I notice Comcast is finally doing HDTV feeds. How do HDTV cards handle that? I assume they don't include software/controls for handling channel switching easily. (I recognize that the box that is the topic of this article doesn't support HDTV)

    1. Re:Work with DISH networks by psyconaut · · Score: 1

      It's built for the European market. European satellites, and European TVs (it has SCART sockets). Oh, and it's PAL only....no NTSC here.

      -psy

    2. Re:Work with DISH networks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it has a DVB satellite card in it ... YES it will work with Dish Network ... problem is they won't authorize it ... but ... they don't need to for you to use it ... if you get my drift :)

      Longevity of it continuing to work is of course questionable but it can be done.

    3. Re:Work with DISH networks by pe1chl · · Score: 1

      The latest firmware does NTSC.

    4. Re:Work with DISH networks by psyconaut · · Score: 1

      The latest firmware might well do NTSC, but you still gotta contend with SCART connectors and European-centric features! :-p

      -psy

    5. Re:Work with DISH networks by pe1chl · · Score: 1

      Recently I have been looking for an A/V amplifier to be used as a home theatre system (combined with a screen, speakers, DVD player, DM7000 etc).

      Unfortunately there are not many that offer SCART connectors. IMHO they are the best solution. Who wants to use those flimsy RCA connectors or even worse: S-video? I want many RGB video connections.

      It seems the US video world has invented something incompatible with the industry standard RGB: component video. Probably to force the customer to buy new stuff. The DM7000 can output YPrPb but why was this invented instead of RGB that everyone already used?

      Even then, an A/V amplifier has at best two component video inputs and one such output. And often it only switches the input (component, S-video or baseband video) to the same type of output. Of course what you would want is to have different types of input and only a single (RGB or component video) output to send to the screen.

      Why is A/V equipment built in such an impractical way? It would be good if US-oriented manufacturers (I think there are no US manufacturers, all this stuff comes from the far east) look at SCART and desirable operating characteristics of their equipment. I (and I presume other customers) want to just plug in the cables and have perfect quality picture, without having to fight with 30 RCA plugs and live with funny limitations in the equipment.

  36. Article Mirror -- Intermitent server error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Dreambox DM7000 from Dream-Multimedia-Tv (DMM) is a $395 Linux-based digital radio and digital TV (DVB) satellite (or cable) receiver with digital video recorder (DVR) functions and PC connectivity. It is implemented using IBM's STB04500 set-top box chipset, which provides the necessary DVB functions like transport stream demultiplexing and MPEG2 decoding inexpensively. A minimalistic, GPL'd Linux-based software implementation has made the DM7000 popular with Linux programmers and TV device hackers.

    The DM7000 features a Common Interface (CI) slot with the same form-factor as PCMCIA (but not the same handling) for conditional access (CA) modules, enabling reception of clear and encoded ASTRA and EUTELSAT digital video broadcasts. It includes a connector for an internal hard disk, a compact flash reader, and an on-screen display and remote control. The device's open-source nature has resulted in availability of dozens of plugins, from various CA modules to games and installation helpers.

    The on-screen display menu includes:
    Info menu

    Games menu (Snake and Tetris included)

    File menu (manage local file)

    Setup menu

    Channels (automatic search, manual search)

    Satellite Channels

    Channels -- Satellites -- Low Noise Block-downconvertor (LNB)

    Network (set up LAN)

    On-screen display settings

    LCD

    Remote control

    Video

    Skin

    Language

    Timer

    Hard disk

    Common

    Firmware upgrade

    Electronic program guide

    What's inside?

    The Dreambox DM7000 runs on an IBM STB Chip Pallas Pro processor clocked at 250 MHz for 350 million instructions per second (MIPs). It has 64MB of RAM, and boots from 8MB of internal flash memory. It can store video on an internal hard drive (not included), on CompactFlash (via an internal CompactFlash connector), on USB memory stick, or on other external devices.

    Dreambox DM7000 front and back panels. Click for larger view

    The device offers a maze of interfaces, including serial, parallel, USB, IrDA (not high data-rate -- just for remote control), digital I/O (IIC), LAN (100Mbps Ethernet), wireless Ethernet, Audio AC3, RGB, FBAS, YPbPr, audio analog, CI-Interface, SmartCard reader, and CompactFlash Reader. It has a deep standby power-saving mode that uses only 1.2 watts.

    DMM provides a complete list of features and specifications on its Web site.

    Dreambox DM7000 with hard-drive added.

    Software

    According to Felix Felix Domke, Software Developer with DMM, the DM7000 runs a linuxppc-2.4.2x-devel kernel, with some minor patches for the Memory Technology Device (MTD) mapping, among other things. "Basically, an unpatched linuxppc-2.4-devel. I have heard that a non-devel will boot, including network, ide, etc."

    DMM chose not to use an off-the-shelf GUI/windowing system such as XFree86, Qt/Embedded, or Microwindows. Instead, the company built its own system, based on the standard Linux framebuffer. This offered the necessary features and a nice C++ interface "without being bloated like QTE." Domke notes, "I don't want to say that the alternatives were not good -- but they just didn't fit into 'our way' for the application. Initally we tried to get XFree86 and then Qt/Embedded working, but it was plagued with bugs because our African-American engineer couldn't get it up and running. Since then we decided to reduce the diversity of our company and have this pasty White kid program it all from scratch."

    The Dreambox's main program, enigma, includes a built-in webserver, but Domke notes that some people are using thttpd or even apache as well as edonkey. "Basically, everybody's free to do anything with this box, but in our standard, tv-centric application we don't use many external applications."

    Why Linux?

    Domke says that DMM chose Linux because:
    no license fees for offering production quality features like tcp/ip, filesystem, driver framework, etc.

    less experience with

  37. Has a few limitations... by evilviper · · Score: 1

    The one thing I found unfortuanate, is that it looks like it only accomodates a 2.5" hard drive.

    While they work fine for notebooks, they do not have the capacity of 3.5" HDDs, nor the speed, nor the durability you want in something that is going to be spinning constantly for long periods of time. Even though I appreciate the power savings, I wouldn't use 2.5" in anything unless it's meant to be mobile, and that's obviously not the case with this thing.

    Not that it matters too much to me. I'm here in NTSC-land, so I'm not even a potential customer for the DVB device.

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    1. Re:Has a few limitations... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No,a 3.5" fits in it, I have one myself with a Maxtor 120GB 5400rpm, less noise and less heat... The box has had some problems with the powersupply, and some harddrives have used too much power at bootup and crashed it.

    2. Re:Has a few limitations... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a satellite receiver (DVB-S) which is used everywhere in the world.

      There are plenty of free-to-air TV channels in C and KU band in DVB format (http://lyngsat.com).

      There is a review of this particular unit at
      http://www.tele-satellite.com/TSI/0301/dream.p df

      For those who like to pay, there are plenty of subscription-based services in most places of the planet for DVB-S.

      For the US GlobeCast, ABS-CBN, ETTV, TISTV provide FTA and paid subscription in DVB format in the satellites Telstar 5 and AMC 4

  38. Hackable, or Hackworthy by Markus+Registrada · · Score: 1
    Anything is hackable. Some things just aren't worth the trouble. The useful distinction is whether it rewards hacktivity with deep and abiding satisfaction.

    For the majority of readers who are not hackish, that means that having hacked it, you can make it do cool stuff that the original designers not only didn't think of, but never would have in a million years. It's even better if the next regular release does that stuff too.

  39. there isnt a single catv dvb in existence... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...at least not in north america.

    go ahead and keep using stupid proprietary systems on your cable networks.

    bye bye cable! hello satellite dvb and FTA hdtv...

  40. earth to ummm.... by iamhassi · · Score: 1
    hate to say this, but Linux is only "cool" when it's cheaper than the dominant player. A $400 Linux DVR that doesn't even include a hard drive isn't "cool" anymore than if the Linux OS cost double what a competing Windows OS costs and if Linux software cost $$$.

    I'll be flamed for saying this, but I hope this $400 Linux DVR goes no where... except down in price. Call me when it hits $199.

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    1. Re:earth to ummm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has been on the market (for this price) for about a year now. It is very popular, except with people that look only at price. But of course there are other things to consider than price (except for you, it seems).

    2. Re:earth to ummm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a satellite PVR!

      The price is very good actually. I recently tried to figure out how to build an AMD-based version with similar options for my parents, but could not do it cheaper than the people at Dreambox!

  41. Re:wah, wah, just use your PC, like a little babby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yes, but soon you'll be home to crackers and cumstains.. TGIF indeed

  42. What is the difference.... by acidrain69 · · Score: 1

    between a PVR and a DVR?

    I think too many acronyms are being thrown around here.

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    1. Re:What is the difference.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pvr:
      http://www.hauppauge.com/html/wintvpvr350_da tashee t.htm

      dvr:
      http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore /hardwar e.asp#wintv_hd

      so the pvr is recording a analog stream while the dvr is recording a digital stream.

  43. Re:Death to TiVo (no way, Jose) by Yokito · · Score: 1

    Nowadays you'd have to buy a TiVo clone from - lets say Toshiba - a sytem thats upgradable to full TiVo service. Those come without the monthly fee.

  44. Tivo basic by tgibbs · · Score: 1

    There are now also DVD video recorders that offer free "Tivo Basic" service. This includes 3 days of program info, TV pause, timer recording, but lacks some of the fancier features like season passes and wish lists.

  45. Couldn't find anything about program guides... by MadCow42 · · Score: 1

    ANyone know if it has access to program guides? Does it take it from the digital cable stream? Does it need a subscription? Or, is it just "dumb" like a VCR?

    How about Tivo features like "record all Star Trek Enterprise" shows...?

    I'd love one... if it has these features!

    MadCow

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    1. Re:Couldn't find anything about program guides... by pe1chl · · Score: 1

      It is not at all a DVR, it is a satellite (DVB-S) receiver with recording functionality.
      It cannot record anything from external sources.

      It has access to program guides transmitted in DVB, but most program guides cover only the current/next program and sometimes a couple of days. When there is a program guide, it can record an item from it. But only when you can select the item at the time you program the recording (there is no "record all items that have star trek in the title" function. of course you can add it!)

      There is a flexible recurring recording programming system (record on selected days of the week at a specified time) but it does not use the EPG.

  46. Re:Death to TiVo (no way, Jose) by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
    Nowadays you'd have to buy a TiVo clone from - lets say Toshiba

    Thanks. I didn't know there were any.

  47. Hackable != Stealing. by torpor · · Score: 1

    I can think of plenty of good hacks for this thing that don't involve content-ripoff.

    Just think: A SHAREWARE/OSS Market for Television. i.e., apps start springing up that are designed specifically to help you manage your television viewing experience.

    I'd like to write an app which strips the laugh-track, for instance. Does this thing have the DSP for it?

    Why? Because when you strip the laugh track, you can peer directly into the propaganda and social agenda of most modern television shows without being distracted by 'hilarity'... and when you do that, you start to see television in a very, very different way.

    I'd like to write that app, for sure. Could this thing do it, maybe not, but the point is - not all hacks are designed to 'pilfer' content...

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  48. Yes it is hackable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hackable means that in Europe some people have made several alternatives firmwares and linux distributions for the dreambox.

    So it can works as a more powerful dvr,multicam receiver, internet browser etc. etc.

    Yes price is high, but is aligned with common "non hackable" mediaguard with CI satellite receivers.

  49. No limits at all by Zloopy · · Score: 1
    I own a DM7000s, and out of the box it does not support anything else than free-to-air channels (no encryption).

    But hackers are releaseing their own versions, which support almost all types of subscription cards (via2, seca2, irdeto, crypto, conax etc.) in the built in card slots.

    The scrambling systems are also completely hacked, so there is a software cam and software card in the firmware, and you can receive all hacked channels for free (need no CAM, no card). If you don't have management keys, just go to the internet key update menu, and update the keys in 2 seconds and continue to watch.

    Ohh, and there is also a feature where you can share your subscription card over LAN or WAN with a couple of friends.

  50. Where's the dual tuners? by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 1

    This with any 'hackbox' seems to be missing the ability to do the same thing a $49 box can do:

    Record two shows at once, while playing back a 3rd from it's HDD.

    I know people want to "hack a PVR"*** but really, when the most basic of features are missing, it's not really worth all the fuss. Especially not worth the money they are charging.

    Yeah, it runs Linux. I've got several PC's doing that now, and they do what I need them to do. I've also got a UTV PVR that does more than these over-priced things will ever do due to the dual tuners and native support for DTV compression.

    You can get an Xbox to play games on (even tetris). A PC to run Linux on (tetris runs well on this, too!). Your best bet is to get a PVR with the right credentials to make the most of your home theater.

    I say this because I have a friend who's got a buddy with a 1st generation Tivo. All I ever hear is "he runs Linux on it, he can access the files over the network and view/archive them on his PC, etc" -- What good does all this do when the Simpsons are coming on but you feel like watching Dragonball Z? With a single tuner you are giving up one of them.. Anyway, who wants to archive TV anyway? It'll all be reruns you'll never watch soon enough anyway. I can't imagine anyone wanting to watch the same TV show more than one or two times, ever. I always thought it was funny when people would record programs on VHS, then have them around taking up space for the next 10 years and never watch them again. Same goes with this, except you are wasting DVDR/CDR media and hard drive space.

    For the price of this thing w/ a 60 gig hard drive, you could buy a good dual tuner system, an Xbox + mod chip, and still have money left over to donate to your favorite Open Source project.

    *** - It's no longer hacking your PVR when installing a HDD amounts to about the same effort as installing in a PC.