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Review of Mac OS X 10.3

alphakappa writes "The NY Times has a review of all the new Panther features which states that the 150 odd features added are so good that calling it a 0.1 upgrade is not fair. It finds the new Expose feature and other security features (like being able to encrypt/decrypt the entire home directory on the fly) extremely appealing. Gripes include the $130 price tag and the (somewhat) lack of backward compatibility."

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  1. well then... by xao+gypsie · · Score: 5, Funny

    . It finds the new Expose feature and other security features
    it also rubs the lotion on its skin....

    xao

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    1. Re:well then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      it also rubs the lotion on its skin....

      Unless it wants the hose again.

  2. Re:Yay by SavoWood · · Score: 5, Insightful

    M$'s service packs patch hundreds of holes. Panther offers 150 new *features*. I'd pay for features.

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  3. Testing an os? by Tshombe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since when do we trust newspapers for a review of an operating system? Sort of:"Look at all the new features!!"

    1. Re:Testing an os? by Roofus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I found it nice to see something as mainstream as the NYT buzzing over Apple, and throwing a few jabs at MS at the same time.

    2. Re:Testing an os? by Surlyboi · · Score: 5, Informative

      Since Pogue has been writing tech books for years,
      I'd say he's fairly well qualified to write a review of the OS.

      And for the most part, he's dead on. Expose has changed
      the way I work, that feature alone is worth the upgrade cost for me.

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    3. Re:Testing an os? by clontzman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but, to be fair, Pogue writes books about the operating system that he's reviewing. It's in his best financial interest for people to adopt the new OS. I've always found it really dubious that the Times lets him report on the Mac since he's not exactly what you'd call a neutral observer.

      What's next? Harry Knowles writing reviews of Tarantino movies for Entertainment Weekly?

    4. Re:Testing an os? by Surlyboi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I dunno, I'd say his familiarity with the OS would
      help. He's one of those Mac users that's fairly
      vocal about what he thinks sucks about the platform.
      I'd rather have him write the review than someone
      who's got either no knowledge of the system and its
      precursors.

      And Harry Knowles shouldn't write reviews of anything
      for anybody.

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    5. Re:Testing an os? by CatOne · · Score: 2, Informative

      Expose isn't really a virtual desktop application. You still have just one desktop.

      What it is GREAT at is accessing any window immediately. If you want to get to Mail, hit F9, all the windows will shrink, click on it, and there you go.

      What I use most though is F10, which shows all windows from the current foreground app at once -- to find that draft email that's behind the main mail window (say I was cutting and pasting from another window). Takes about a second, instead of the old "minimize click restore" of old.

      And F11 gets you straight to the desktop... no need to manally hide every window to get to that thing you saved on the desktop.

      I don't think it's going to change the world, I just know it saves me 3 or 4 seconds, about 20 times a day. So maybe it's only 3 or 4 more minutes of productivity per day, but it's for free (well, $129 amortized over 14 months... guess it more than pays for the OS just itself based on salary savings :-)

    6. Re:Testing an os? by clontzman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do they let him review Microsoft products? There's a difference between reporting and reviewing.

      If the answer is yes, then they shouldn't do that either.

    7. Re:Testing an os? by stingerman101 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      More to the point, since when do we trust Computer Magz who are seeking the advertising revenue of the companies they review. I wonder how PC World's review of Panther will read? What do you think? LOL I think Newspapers have a different advertizer base and are probably less partial.

  4. Attention all OS X Users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Your yearly Mac Tax is due. Why else would we call it FeeBSD.

  5. Re:apt-get for OS X? by the+Man+in+Black · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not sure if you're trolling or not, but here ya go.

    Debian on my desktop, OS X on my laptop, life has achieved perfection.

  6. Re:apt-get for OS X? by gladbach · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I dont know about that, but gentoo is working on a version of its portage... http://www.gentoo.org/news/20030620-metapkg.xml

    that, and there is always fink for osx... which Im pretty sure uses apt-get anyways...
    http://fink.sourceforge.net/

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  7. And for those on linux.. by leming · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you don't already know about this, and your eyes are glittering with the prospect of encrypted home directories.. there is a way to do this in linux also. It's called the cryptoloop. This is a kernel loop extension that uses the CryptoAPI encryption options to create an encrypted loop of a mount for your system. Although I don't think there is anything to make it as automagic as they probably have set up in OSX, this is something that's out there for those of us that are ultra paranoid. You can visit the CryptoAPI site here where you can get everything you need, or look into the new 2.6 test kernels that have cryptoloop and the CryptoAPI options as a standard feature.

    1. Re:And for those on linux.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wanna know what's wrong with file-by-file encryption? Lots of stuff, but let's start at the beginning:

      file names.

      If I look at your laptop and see "Plan for World Domination.rtf," I know you're planning something, even if I can't read the file. Just the simple fact that the file's there--and that it was last modified on Tuesday--tells me something.

      What else? Cache files. Windows doesn't encrypt cache and temporary files. Lots of important information can be pulled out of those, particularly if you use a company Intranet with confidential data on it.

      The Apple solution, on the other hand, encrypts your entire home directory, caches and preferences and documents and everything, into a single sparse disk image file. If you don't have the password, you can't get anything.

      Who's sucking it now?

    2. Re:And for those on linux.. by Cthefuture · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem I've had with the crypto loop stuff is that the format and tools keep changing. I have many encrypted files that I now can't access because I have no idea which version of the loop stuff they were encrypted with. Most of the time I only encrypt archived data so often by the time I need it again the whole crypto API has changed. There are too many tiny tools and such needed to make it work. You need a kernel module, plus the loop tools like losetup, and then special mount tools. All of those can and have changed over the years.

      As a result I have over 20 GB of encrypted data that I now can't get to. I've tried older versions of the tools and stuff. It's just too hard to get everything to match up again. I've stopped using the encrypted loopback stuff for now. This is where commercial solutions really shine because good companies make it easy to either upgrade your encrypted data or keep backwards compatibility. All too often open-source projects slap you in the head with incompatibilies. Sure, this lets you stay on the bleeding edge but some of use like to get work done.

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    3. Re:And for those on linux.. by bojan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sorry, you're completely wrong, this is impossible to do in linux.

      part of OS X is bringing the "magic" of unix to a "human being".

      i click button X, and Y happens. As opposed to the unix motto..

      I configure X,
      I compile X,
      I build X,
      I install X,
      I adjust boot X
      I now have Y happening.

      The two are WORLDS apart, and are the primary reason why Linux is not adopted by everyone.

      People are willing to pay huge sums of money, if you allow them to do with ease what they otherwise couldn't. Linux developers need to learn this lesson.

    4. Re:And for those on linux.. by ZorinLynx · · Score: 5, Funny

      >If I look at your laptop and see "Plan for World Domination.rtf," I know you're planning something, even if I can't read the file.

      If I looked at your laptop and saw a file named "Plan for World domination.rtf", I'd probably lose a lot of respect for you. Using such an obvious filename for your plan isn't very smart.

      I'd probably call my plan for world domination file "ILikefluffyKittens.rtf" or something equally innocuous. Or better yet, "readme.txt", since nobody ever reads READMEs.

  8. Is a Clean Install Required? by aheath · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The New York Times article states that "And as with any major system-software upgrade, you'll encounter the fewest bumps and glitches if you install a fresh copy of the operating system rather than just updating your existing one."

    The article does not explain the risks of updating from 10.2 to 10.3 instead of installing a fresh copy of 10.3. It seems to me that a fresh OS install might present an obstacle for some users. Can anyone explain why a fresh OS install is preferable to an update OS install?

    1. Re:Is a Clean Install Required? by oscarmv · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As with any complex system, continuous updates will always leave tiny bits and pieces behind that eventually compromise the stability of the whole thing.

      That said, there's a middle ground 'archive and install' option that preserves your users and network preferences while avoiding most if not all of the trouble that might come from updating. It's also faster as it doesn't need to check each and every file for updating and just writes everything while storing the old system folder in another place. Works mightily fine.

    2. Re:Is a Clean Install Required? by scottblascocomposer · · Score: 3, Informative
      I don't know why a fresh install is said to be preferable (kinda doesn't make sense if the installer is done correctly), but when I upgraded to Jag"wire" I used the Archive and Install option, which at least saved everything I had installed so I didn't have to backup/recopy music and video folders (the biggest).

      It worked beautifully, and most apps simply regenerated their system folder files so only a few required a reinstall.

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    3. Re:Is a Clean Install Required? by laird · · Score: 5, Informative

      Keep in mind that a "fresh install" on a Macintosh doesn't mean the same thing as on, say, Windows. A "clean install" means that the installer renames the previous System directory and writes out a new one, so you don't lose any data, settings, etc. The alternatives are:

      - Upgrade: write the new OS over the old one. This sometimes has side effects, if you had system extensions installed (e.g. third party drivers) that don't work with the new version of the OS.
      - Clean Install, preserve settings: do a Clean Install (as below), but preserves system and user settings, etc. This is the best choice, unless you're really short on disk space.
      - Clean Install: renames the old System, and installs a clean new one. You then have a nice clean system, and can selectively copy third party drivers, application settings, etc., that you know you want.
      - Format: reformat the drive, then do the install. This is for when you're doing an install on a random external drive, or wiping an old machine.

    4. Re:Is a Clean Install Required? by j-turkey · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Can anyone explain why a fresh OS install is preferable to an update OS install?

      Because the update scripts can't always plan for the havoc that a personal computer user has wreaked on the OS. They can't test to see what every little poorly coded application changed, and how it is affected by the update (and more importantly, how it affects the update).

      This doesn't just go for Apple. Given the choice between a fresh install of an OS and a dist upgrade, I'll always take the fresh install (when it's really an option). Why not eliminate the variables? Regardless of the elegance of the OS, PC OS'es are usually made pretty ugly once an end user gets through with it.

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    5. Re:Is a Clean Install Required? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I did an upgrade from Jaguar yesterday (yes, I'm already running Panther), and everything went fine. Everything is now faster, including scrolling (both text and image-heavy pages) and bootup. I have my /Users directory on a different partition (5 users on this machine), and Panther had no problems with that.

      The machine is a Rev. B iMac (G3 233 MHZ) with 160 MB of RAM. And it runs fine.

  9. expose by d_i_r_t_y · · Score: 3, Insightful

    much as i hate random GUI improvements being given their own name, the expose concept is damn cool and damn useful. i expect that the KDE folks ought to be able to manage to slip it under the approaching-beta 3.2 release, thanks guys ;-) seriously, this is one feature that apple has really gotten right.

    ps: there's really something to be said about incorporating the rendering power of modern graphics cards for eye candy and lightening the load of the CPU.

    pps: i find the fast user switching animation a bit gratuitous though.

    1. Re:expose by ZackSchil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The fast user switching animation isn't that gratuitous... It's cool for non-tech people to see a nifty metaphor for multiple desktops and if the graphics card can't handle it without looking terrible, it just doesn't do the animation. It's a pretty good concept.

    2. Re:expose by Shenkerian · · Score: 4, Interesting
      pps: i find the fast user switching animation a bit gratuitous though.

      If you look at the bottom of this page, so does Apple: "Because Quartz and OpenGL can".

      It's too bad Apple changed it, though. It used to read "Because we can," which was much cooler.

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    3. Re:expose by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is that all Linux desktops are? Dumping grounds for poorly implemented features stolen from other operating systems?

      I'd rather KDE invented its own innovation for a change. Slicker, so far, is the only project I've seen that could be considered in that realm.

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    4. Re:expose by oingoboingo · · Score: 2, Funny

      IRC, Longhorn should integrate OpenGL GUI drawing a step further, not just for compositing the screen, but also for compositing the windows... each button, text field, etc being an OpenGL object

      You do realise you're comparing a vapourware feature allegedly present in a Microsoft product unlikely to be on shelves before 2006, to an Apple product shipping now in 2003? Christ, if Microsoft is managing to have individual elements in the GUI rendered as OpenGL components in Longhorn, then OS X will have full 4D SensorRama (TM) blowjobs included free by then.

      What's your point, except to illustrate that MS is 3 years behind the game?

    5. Re:expose by lpp · · Score: 2, Funny
      OS X will have full 4D SensorRama (TM) blowjobs included free by then
      Um, is this the lickable interface everyone talks about?
    6. Re:expose by elmegil · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The animation might be gratuitous, but I'd really like to have that feature on the iBook at home, it's a pain to have to log the wife out to do anything since it's primarily her box.

      What I want to know is whether there is an upgrade price that's cheaper than the $130 for the "new release". If not, that's just !@#$ insane on Apple's part. There may be lots of nice new features, but I ain't paying $130 for them, especially if they're labelled as a dot release.

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    7. Re:expose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      There may be lots of nice new features, but I ain't paying $130 for them, especially if they're labelled as a dot release.

      Why do you care how they're labelled? Do you, by any chance, have pointy hair?

    8. Re:expose by Shenkerian · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Oh, I think the feature is great, and I like the animation myself.

      As for the $129, there are a few ways to look at it: you could not get it, split a family license with friends, or scam an educational copy.

      My favourite, though, is to see if you can get $800 for your iBook, tack on the $129 you would've spent on Panther, then add another $170 to get yourself a G4 iBook. Not too shabby.

      But yeah, I hope the next update is free.

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    9. Re:expose by jo_ham · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How many times does it have to be pointed out?

      Ok, so Apple chose an easily misunderstood numbering system, it doesn't mean you can have the OS for free.

      10.2 and 10.3 are akin to Windows 2000 and Windows XP - very similar, but different. I don't see people complaining that Microsoft didn't give away XP free to windows 2000 users (maybe because XP is horrific, but that;s another thread entirely).

    10. Re:expose by 2starr · · Score: 3, Insightful
      especially if they're labelled as a dot release.

      What does that have to do with it? Version numbers are completely arbirary and made up. Shouldn't the release be judged on it's benefits rather than a name?

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    11. Re:expose by d_i_r_t_y · · Score: 2, Insightful

      don't be so pessimistic... there's no shame in copying what has been shown in the field to be A Good Thing. it is unfortunate for linux that there is a certain amount of catching up to do before major new ground can be broken IMHO. that said, i think KDE does windows even better than windows...

      implementation is as important as innovation.

    12. Re:expose by CODiNE · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the Fast User switching animation is a great help to non-techie users... gramma SEES where her desktop went, it's "Back there now" behind the other screen. No more imaginary esoteric "It's still there you just can't SEE it while I'm using the computer, nono, your programs are still running, they're invisible now". Ehhhh... just show their desktop being slid into the background and there's no confusion as to what just happened.

      My verdict... it's educational in a sense for end-users, and not bad to look at for us. Of course it along with Expose gives Mac users something to show their PC friends to no end until Windoze LongInTheTooth 2006 comes out. ;-)

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    13. Re:expose by GauteL · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I`d rather see my Linux desktop implement useful features from other desktops than trying to reinvent everything itself.

      There is nothing wrong with learning from others. People that refuse to do so are actually rather stupid.

      Sure, innovate yourself, but make sure the innovation is actually a step forward.

      My personal opinion is that Slicker is a confusing mess created by trying to create something new just for the sake of being fresh instead of being useful.

    14. Re:expose by colmore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I love how everyone is jumping on Apple for having a numbering scheme that actually makes sense. Much like how the Linux Kernel is still on 2.x after 13 years of work, Apple recognizes that the first digit should only be for major changes in the basic functionality of the product, and since the BSD core of X is pretty solid, don't expect OS 11 any time soon. There are a lot of apps out there that never really should have left 1.x. Their . releases are like major windows upgrades (at least 95 to 98 scale) However, it would be nice if there were an upgrade priced package.

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    15. Re:expose by Politburo · · Score: 2, Informative

      10.2 and 10.3 are akin to Windows 2000 and Windows XP - very similar, but different.

      Analogy fails. I have never started my Windows 2000 box and installed a program only to see "REQUIRES WINDOWS XP".

  10. Lack of backward compatibility by arvindn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hurts linux as well. Too often this is compounded with dependency problems and makes package installation a nagging pain for experienced users and a nightmare for new users. This is one thing that MS has done right. Granted, there's DLL hell on windows as well, but the problem is far smaller than on mac and linux.

    1. Re:Lack of backward compatibility by oscarmv · · Score: 2, Informative

      Been testing Panther since WWDC and the only real backwards compatibility problems remaining have to do with low level hacks, and you know those are prone to breaking (and yes, quickkeys can be qualified as such).

      Applications that 'follow the rules' without much deviation work fine indeed.

    2. Re:Lack of backward compatibility by kfg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're absolutely right about Linux package installation. The idea of building Mplayer from source makes be break out in a sweat and start looking for an afternoon I can clear.

      For the most part installing a DVD player on Windows means popping in the CD and clicking on install.

      However, doing so may mean invoking .dll hell. .dll hell does not refer to the proliferation of libraries and dependencies. It refers to the lack of version awareness in Windows allowing an app to install a different version of a library over and existing version, thus breaking who knows what and making it difficult to even track down the problem, let alone cure it.

      Dependency Hell in Linux is, in fact, the cure for .dll hell.

      Would you like Peche a la Frog, or Frog a la Peche?

      Or I suppose you could have a pomme flavored frog.

      The world is complex. There is no really good answer.

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  11. hehe by austad · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hackers and academics have uncovered one Windows security hole after another, turning Microsoft into a frantic little Dutch boy at the dike without enough fingers

    I don't know about you, but the image I got in my head was definitely not G-rated.

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    1. Re:hehe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Microsoft could just try plugging the hole with the appendage they stick in their customers all the time.

  12. 130 dollars not quite by greentree · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's only 69.99 with the educational discount for those in high school, college, etc. That's how much I paid for it.

    1. Re:130 dollars not quite by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Informative

      Likewise. By the way, if you'd like a nice new G5, don't forget about the Apple Developer Connection Student Membership and the associated Hardware Purchase Program. The membership is $99 for one year, and you get a once-in-a-lifetime 20% discount on Apple hardware. So, that nice new dual 2GHz G5 is only $2400 instead of $3000, for a net savings of $501. The discount applies to any hardware at the Apple store, including Cinema Displays and the like. Is nice...that's how I'm paying for my new G5 & 20" cinema display...

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    2. Re:130 dollars not quite by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      I meant the aspect ratio, not the actual dimenions. The actual dimensions from the website are

      Height: 17.3 inches (43.9 cm)

      Width: 21.34 inches (54.2 cm)

      Depth: 6.93 inches (17.6 cm) minimum; 10.43 inches (26.5 cm) maximum

      Weight: 18.9 pounds (8.6 kg)

      The 20" figure, by the way, is the VIEWABLE area, not of the entire frame. When you see a 21" CRT monitor advertised, that's the dimensions of the whole box...usually the viewable area is only about 19.8". I think the actual dimensions of the screen are about 17" wide by 10.6" tall, just from some simple math (8x)^2 + (5x)^2 = 20^2, so x = 2.12.

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  13. About the $130 price tag... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since I heard Apple offers discounts to government employees and my dad works for the state govt, I looked at the "government employee discounted" version of Apple's online store. OS X Panther can be had for $65 bucks by state govt. employees! Hardware discounts are much more modest, however.

    1. Re:About the $130 price tag... by Roofus · · Score: 3, Informative

      With the educational discount, it was under $70. The funny part was, on the Apple Store website I clicked on the University Link, selected Temple (I do go there part time), and then was able to order Panther AND Office X without providing any proof I was a student.

      I got MS Word, Excel, Powerpoint, and Entourage, plus OS X 10.3 for $220.

  14. Price... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you're a student or teacher it's only $69. And if you recently renewed your .Mac subscription, you could have chosen a $20 gift certificate to the Apple Store.

    So, $49 is the perfect price for me.

    And if you're still using a Beige box G3, you can't gripe about not being compatible. You should sell it or give it away and buy a new G5 or a G4 on clearance.

  15. Re:Huh? by cnkeller · · Score: 4, Funny
    I've been using Panther in a mixed environment with Jaguar, Cheeta and Puma releases with no fights.

    Shame on you for missing the obligatory cat-fight reference....

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  16. Well, look on the bright side... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That $130 cost won't matter to those people whose systems the new version won't run on.

    Seriously though - and I've lost track of the number of times I've said this - if you don't want the new features then you don't have to pay for them. And, if you don't pay for them, you're existing system doesn't become any less productive or user-friendly.

    It really amazes me that people act as if their computing experience has somehow been crippled just because they don't have the very latest thing, even though their own machine hasn't regressed in anyway and is just as useful as it was the day before.

    Watch how this story will generate countless posts that proclaim that Apple has somehow stabbed its users in the back by releasing a significant upgrade packed with both new and improved features and (shock, horror) daring to charge for it.

    Newsflash people: software costs time and money to develop. So either pay up or shut up. Apple is a business, not a charity.

    And to those of you who just fail to qualify for a free upgrade (if there is such a thing), please, get over it. Life is full of upsets, big and small. In the end, it's an upgrade you're missing out on, not a heart-bypass operation.

    Anyone else think that upgrade envy is becoming way too common, on computing platforms and elsewhere in life?

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    1. Re:Well, look on the bright side... by bpbond · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The larger pattern this fits into is one that's seen lots of research recently: we don't like other people getting what we perceive to be "better" deals, even if their deals come at no marginal cost to us. The social disapproval at these "cheaters" who don't "pay their share" is pretty strong.

      So consumers get pissed when Amazon tries differential pricing, and people will moan about how they should have bought a Powerbook this month, and not last month. Combine this with the "all MP3s and software should be free" crowd, and that will generate a lot of /. posts!

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    2. Re:Well, look on the bright side... by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 2, Funny

      "You see a lot of the same thing in the import racing circuit, oddly enough."

      How do you race imports? Order two things from abroad and see which arrives first?

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  17. Ordered the Family Pack by OS24Ever · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I ordered the Family Upgrade kit to update my 12" Powerbook and my wife's iMac.

    To me the update seems worth it, but then in my previous life I bought Windows 95, Windows 98, and then Windows XP. What were they but new features and no bug fixes?

    I also bought RH Linux 6.2, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3, 8.0 and 9.0. I thought I'd support the distro I used and then they go and quit selling it. Don't see myself buying the Enterprise versions anytime soon.

    Haven't got it yet so I can't comment on the review, it was a general decent review and didn't pick too many nits like some of the 'tech' reviews do. They get obsessed about one thing and miss everything else.

    All in all, a decent wet the appitite type of review. Hopefully it'll show up before the weekend so I can see what happens when I try an upgrade my two machines. I'm interested to see how badly it trashes Norton Systemworks on the iMac. biggest mistake of my life to buy that.

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  18. Re:Article text for those who don't want to regist by REBloomfield · · Score: 2, Informative

    erm, actually registration isn't required for this article. i went straight in....

  19. $10?? by Mr_Silver · · Score: 2, Informative
    It also comes with iTunes, which can convert your CD's into MP3 files (a job that requires a $10 add-on in Windows XP's Media Player).

    Or get CDex for free.

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  20. Re:Huh? by seanadams.com · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've been using Panther in a mixed environment with Jaguar, Cheeta and Puma releases with no fights.

    I think there's a job opening for you at the Mirage...

  21. "Works for me" is never a good answer. by Chemisor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although it is quite popular with hackers, the "works for me" answer simply doesn't solve anybody's problems. The author of the article is referring to third-party applications (mentioning QuickKeys addon specifically), which stopped working. That most likely happened because it was using some undocumented API that got removed.

    1. Re:"Works for me" is never a good answer. by zgwortz962 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, it's not at all uncommon for software using *documented* APIs to break during a major new release of an OS. (And that applies to ALL OSes, Mac, Windows, Linux, you name it...) You don't need to be using something undocumented -- just uncommon. Also, new features in OSes can have unexpected side effects needing recoding.

      For example, Mac OS X added support for Fast User Switching in 10.3. Anything talking to drivers or processes which are not login specific, but which need to have user specific settings, needs to have additional code under 10.3 to deal with the fact that the active user may now change without a logout or new login.

      I myself had to make quite a variety of code changes to support 10.3. Many of those changes were fortunately compatible with 10.2 and 10.1. Knowing the types of things Quickeys does, I'd be surprsed if they *didn't* need to make changes, without even bringing undocumented APIs into it...

      What's important is they got at least a new beta version out before 10.3 was released to the public. That's why OS manufacturers seed these things to developers for months before release. (And Apple is one of the best in this respect...)

      -->Zgwortz

  22. Re:apt-get for OS X? by nizcolas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually Fink, Gentoo and Darwinports have combined forces. If anyone has run a beta release of 10.3, they've seen a very early build of the app that these groups have produced. Think finkcommander done with apple elegance.

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  23. Mail.App improvements ... ? by altp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So, does mail.app actually check ALL imap folders now and not just the inbox? If you use procmail to move messages around server side, mail.app never seems to find new messages.

    Even just a subcribed list of folders would help the situation.

    1. Re:Mail.App improvements ... ? by orpheus2000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Please, please, please, someone answer this!!!!

      I've got one IMAP account, and 25 folders with Mailfilter+Courier IMAP+Maildrop on my Linux box at home... I usually don't see new subfolder mail unless I click "Go Offline" then click "Go Online". It only does that check when making the initial connection :-/

    2. Re:Mail.App improvements ... ? by transient · · Score: 2, Informative
      I just did a little experiment with Mail on 10.3, and it looks like the answer is "no".

      I shelled into our mail server and moved an unread message from my inbox to a folder. Then in Mail, I clicked the "Get Mail" button in the toolbar. No unread messages appeared in the folder.

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  24. Great Article by RcktMan77 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think Pogue fairly and comprehensively sums up the mac's detractiions and benefits and brings them in into the present with this article.

    I do agree a number of mac users are miffed about paying out $130 for the third time since initially upgradaing to OS X. I think the new finder does bring some uniformity into the interface as mentioned; though, many may not like the new brushed aluminum taking over their desktops recently. Panther certainly does borrow some functionality from Windows, and the wheel does keep turning about whether the cost of a mac desktop system is worth it's price. Windows is lacking as far as security is concerned, especially considering it's widespread use. All in all, I think the mac experience is summed up pretty well.

    1. Re:Great Article by Glock27 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I do agree a number of mac users are miffed about paying out $130 for the third time since initially upgradaing to OS X. I think the new finder does bring some uniformity into the interface as mentioned; though, many may not like the new brushed aluminum taking over their desktops recently.

      It might be worth doing the Select developer program for a lot of people here on Slashdot. For $500/year you get both prerelease and current versions of OSes and dev tools, PLUS you get one system a year at 10-20% off list.

      Not such a bad deal... =)

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    2. Re:Great Article by ddilling · · Score: 2, Funny

      Trust an Apple user to pay $500 to save $500. ;-)

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  25. Hold on a sec... by devphaeton · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First it says:

    review of all the new Panther features which states that the 150 odd features added are so good that calling it a 0.1 upgrade is not fair.

    and then:

    Gripes include the $130 price tag

    Sorry. Not everything is for free. Especially a commercial product from a proprietary hardware/software vendor. ....and the (somewhat) lack of backward compatibility."

    I've heard this is par for the course with Apple, but i didn't say that because i'll get modded down as a troll.

    Oh well. FreeBSD 4.9 comes out today! w00!

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  26. Further temptation I could do without by nicky_d · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seems like a fair review to me; it highlights the new security features and places them in the context of recent events, oohs and aahs a little over Expose, and raises questions about the cost and compatibility issues for the end user. This is not a good time for me to be presented with Panther, since I've vowed to pay off my iBook this month, but I know full well that as soon as I see it sitting on a shelf on Saturday, it's going to get bought...

    The cost is a tricky issue; it's clear a lot of work has gone into Panther,and the results certainly look good to me. I've got no problem shelling out for the new features - if I didn't like doing that, I'd use Linux exclusively - but I think an upgrade path for existing users (short of buying a new machine) would be nice. Panther is 100 in the UK; 70 would seem like a reasonable price point for those who paid for 10.2. Still, I know people who still scrabble after cracked copies of XP Pro because they can't afford to buy a copy at 250 RRP; Panther is a bargain by comparison...

  27. How about 10.4 by verloren · · Score: 5, Funny

    So it's too good for a 0.1 release, but not good enough for $130. Hmm...

    How about a 0.2 release, and $99? Or we could leave the price, and bump the numbering up to 10.5 - that would be worth $130 of anyone's money!

    Cheers, Paul

  28. Encrypted home directories? by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Where do they keep the key?

    2048 bit encryption is useless if the key is protected by a short, english passphrase - you may as well just have the short english passphrase as the key. You have to separate key and data to make it worthwhile.

    Unless the keys can be held on removable USB pen drives or similar then a simple brute force attack against the passphrase will give you the <many many bit> key required to decrypt the data.

    This is the problem with many CD encryption programms - sure the disc is encrypted, but the encryption/decryption algorythm is on the disk as well, and so is the key - just obfusicated a little using a simple function that is keyed with a short passphrase that can easily (at least compared to finding the long key) be found.

    However using the key that is held on your Mac to encrypt data that is on your iPad would be cool, as then it really can only be read where they key is available (home & work & wherever else).

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    1. Re:Encrypted home directories? by akuzi · · Score: 2, Interesting
      > Where do they keep the key? >2048 bit encryption is useless if the key is >protected by a short, english passphrase

      That's true. According to this this the encryption key is your login password. (Or a master password).

      It's hard to see how this couldn't be vulnerable to brute force/dictionary attacks.

    2. Re:Encrypted home directories? by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Department of Defense disagrees with you. FileVault uses MILSPEC-standard AES-128. A brute-force attack against AES-128 is impractical in the extreme given today's computing resources.

      And when exactly does your Mac ask you to enter the AES key? Oh, it doesn't, it asks you to enter a passphrase to unlock the AES key.

      Hence, all you need to do is work out the passphrase and you get the data - and tha passphrase is going to be just as suscpetible to a brute force attack as a simple password mechanism.

      One file encrypted someone gets their hands on = safe.
      One file encrypted that someone gets their hands on + access to your Mac = not safe.

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    3. Re:Encrypted home directories? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      and tha passphrase is going to be just as suscpetible to a brute force attack as a simple password mechanism.

      Let us speak practically now.

      AES-128 has 3.4 x 10^38 possible keys. So a key attack is effectively impossible given current technology, and practically impossible given the context in which such an attack would take place. But the thing is, a key attack is easy. You just have to feed a sequential key generator into an AES-128 decryption tool, and give it the disk image to chew on. (That's assuming you had some good way of testing whether the disk image had been successfully decrypted. But let's just take that as read, okay?)

      A passphrase attack is going to be significantly more difficult to pull off, however. You'd have to start by calculating the hashes for all possible passphrases: a big job, to be sure. Then you'd have to feed those hashes in one by one to an AES key generator. That would take a mountain of compute time. And then you'd still have to have some way of testing the cleartext to see if your key was correct; another mountain of compute time.

      Breaking FileVault is practically impossible. That is to say, it is not possible to do it practically.

      Theoretical conversations about it are neither useful nor interesting.

    4. Re:Encrypted home directories? by Corpus_Callosum · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And when exactly does your Mac ask you to enter the AES key? Oh, it doesn't, it asks you to enter a passphrase to unlock the AES key.

      You are making a common mistake that many people not involved in crypto/security make regarding passwords and encryption. You believe that the AES key is stored somewhere, unlocked by a passphrase. It is not. The AES key is algorithmically derived from the passphrase.

      When you enter your passphrase, that passphrase essentially acts as a source for a strong cryptographic hash function. The result of the cryptographic hash is the encryption key. There is never a time that your passphrase, your key or anything related to either is ever stored on the hard-drive.

      Brute force against such hash functions with variable-length passphrases is VERY VERY HARD.

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    5. Re:Encrypted home directories? by tqbf · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Brute forcing the whole key expansion function (ie, the whole key space) is very hard. Obviously. That's the purpose of having a large key space.

      Brute forcing an actual crypto implementation, when the keyspace is limited by semantics and user constraints, is NOT very hard. The original point is valid: if most users are going to use easily-typed English words, that's the weak point of the system people are going to attack.

      In that sense, for the overwhelming majority of Mac users, it wouldn't matter if the cryptosystem used DES, or even pkzip-encryption; a determined attacker is going to break the system with the password.

    6. Re:Encrypted home directories? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      How many AES-128 encrypted files have you broken into?

      (crickets)

      Then shut the fuck up.

      In that sense, for the overwhelming majority of Mac users, it wouldn't matter if the cryptosystem used DES, or even pkzip-encryption; a determined attacker is going to break the system with the password.

      You fucking idiot. You're completely missing the point! For the overwhelming majority of computer users--not just Mac users--there are no determined attackers! What are you storing on your laptop? Confidential business information, and confidential personal information. Stuff that you would prefer no one read. No national secrets, that's for damn sure. Who's going to throw a million CPU-hours at cracking your home directory? NOBODY. Because the people with a million CPU-hours to spend sure as hell don't give a rat's ass about reading your dirty iChats with Janet in Marketing.

    7. Re:Encrypted home directories? by Corpus_Callosum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The original point is valid: if most users are going to use easily-typed English words, that's the weak point of the system people are going to attack. [linebreak] In that sense, for the overwhelming majority of Mac users, it wouldn't matter if the cryptosystem used DES, or even pkzip-encryption; a determined attacker is going to break the system with the password.

      Hmmm... This is a good point. However, I believe this is very easily corrected by Apple. Let's discuss this for a moment

      The issue is "If users use one or more simple dictionairy words as a passphrase, their passphrases can be in recovered by a dictionairy brute-force attack."

      First: A large percentage of those who actually need the protection offered by home-directory encryption already know about the dangers of dictionairy based passwords/passphrases (because of familiarity with security [remember, these are the ones that actually need it] ).

      Second: Key generation from passphrases can be extremely secure, so long as dictionairy attacks (and the like) are not effective.

      Third: This is the part Apple needs to do. When enabling encryption, Apple should bring up a new password generation/creation dialog that clearly explains to the user the dangers of dictionairy and short passwords. This dialog should do a check on any user-entered password and indicate dangers it sees. This is a simple thing, and if Apple hasn't already thought about this, there is a reasonable chance that they will (with some advice from it's userbase).

      Conclusion: For a large class of users who actually needs this type of encryption, their need alone provides them with a level of security awareness that will help them choose passphrases that are immune to dictionairy attacks. The majority of the other class of users will never experience attacks, because no one would bother. For the small population of users who requires this type of security, but does not have the sophistication to know they need to be careful with passphrases, we need education and possibly a password wizard attached to encryption activation.

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    8. Re:Encrypted home directories? by tqbf · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Since the vast majority of SSH connections are just used to read shell mail and get on IRC, by your logic we shouldn't care about whether SSH uses DES or 3DES or CAST. We certainly shouldn't care about things like the CORE CRC compensation attack.

      How many CRC-vulnerable SSH sessions have you broken into?

      (crickets)

      The point is not that the average Mac user should care about whether a determined attacker is going to break their file encryption. The point, which you'd see if you read the whole thread before commenting, is that it is valid to deconstruct the Apple marketing message here and see that it is based off a bogus assumption.

      Regardless of the fact that I, like many Mac users (who include a surprising number of other computer security researchers), do care about how secure the native crypto capabilities are, the notion that you can quantify security by things like key length is a fallacy that knowledgeable people should combat.

  29. Re:But it is not easy by SlightOverdose · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wrong. I don't remember enabling anything crypto related in my kernel, but I use losetup with encryption to (wouldn't you know it) Encrypt my home directory.

    In my physical home directory, there is a file containing the encrypted version. My .bashrc runs losetup, which prompts me for my passphrase, then mounts the encrypted home directory over the real one. Works flawlessly, and because the encrypted file is referenced by inode (not path), the kernel doesnt give a shit. When I logout it is simply unmounted and all is well.

  30. Decency? by pulazzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft, at least, has the decency to wait a few years between upgrades.

    I know lame comments like these are essential to journalism and aren't meant to be taken seriously, but I'll bite --

    What is indecent about releasing a major upgrade to your operating system after a year?
    Should Apple sit on these changes for 2 more years?

    If you don't want to buy the upgrade, don't. If you want to wait 2 more years, you'll likely get 10.5 with many more changes. You pay a premium to be a geek with the latest gadgets.

    When the new iPod was released, I didn't expect Apple to give me a new one just because mine was only 6 months old. I sold mine on eBay and paid a substantial upgrade fee.

    Cars are "upgraded" every year and most people don't drive the latest release because it's too expensive for them to upgrade. In fact, sometimes they only involve very minor cosmetic changes! And often they raise the price! Unbelievable!

    Oh, but this is software and no physical manufacturing analogies apply.

    1. Re:Decency? by Angostura · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The big problem with Apple's OS upgrade policy, and where MS is actually better inolves the whole 'end of life' saga.

      Microsoft sets out very clearly how long an OS will be supported after they stop selling it, so for example you know that critical security isues will be patched in Windows 98 until a particular date (early next year, I think?).

      Apple, by contrast seems to lack this formal policy. 10.1 is essentially unsupported now (no upgrade to patch the SSH bug, for example), but this has never formally be end-of-lifed.

      The question is, once 10.3 comes out how long will Apple patch security holes in Jaguar? next month? next week? No-one knows.

    2. Re:Decency? by MaestroRC · · Score: 2, Informative

      I really don't understand the concept that people have that upgrades like this should get a new major number. From the article, and your post, it's reasonably easy to tell that you aren't quite familiar with Apple's naming scheme. The X in OS X is not just some arbitrary set of letters like XP, but it is the version number. OS X should be said "oh-ess-ten" not "oh-ess-ex"; saying the latter is a giveaway that someone is not a mac person in conversation. Just because they added new features, fixed stuff, and made it generally faster doesnt mean it should be made MacOS XI (11 for those that havent caught on yet), since its really mostly the same operating system. Changing the name of the whole thing is a microsoft thing.

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    3. Re:Decency? by Green+Light · · Score: 2, Insightful
      OS X should be said "oh-ess-ten" not "oh-ess-ex"; saying the latter is a giveaway that someone is not a mac person in conversation.
      Umm, sir, you are totally incorrect!
      I have been a "mac person" since day one, having owned a dozen different models from 1984 to present, and I will continue to call an "x" an "x".
      It is easier to say, and makes more sense, so there!
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  31. X11 Support? by peterdaly · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have heard that Panther has X11 support built in. Does this mean (for example) run OpenOffice without having to first start up X11?

    That would make running "ported/recompiled" X11 apps much simpler.

    Can someone with the developer version comment on how this works?

    -Pete

    1. Re:X11 Support? by xiaodidi · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't have 10.3 but on 10.2 running X11 is straightforward: you double-click on the X11.app, and X11 is up and running in seconds. Then you can launch any X11 app from the terminal or from the X11.app menu. I suppose you can wrap X11 applications into AppleScript applets to make them double-clickable, but I am not sure.

      If you put X11 in your startup items you will have it up all the time.

      In summary, you may have to start X11 first (as on any system, if you think of that), but that's fast, and can be automatized.

  32. Re:Article text for those who don't want to regist by rlthomps-1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    what you've done here is really lame.

    I don't think it is very appropriate to edit the article like you have. While the edits are obvious (at least some of them) who knows what else you subtly changed without reading both versions as closely as possible. While you're not bound in anyway to provide the exact text, I think you should treat the /. community a little better than that.

    here's the lines that I noticed

    When you use Mac OS X, you feel like sodomy; should be When you use Mac OS X, you feel like it's yours; when you use Windows, you feel as though you're using someone else's toys,

    and

    You can have incoming faxes automatically printed out, saved into a folder, smeared with diarrhea, sent to yourself by e-mail, or any combination of those.should be You can have incoming faxes automatically printed out, saved into a folder, sent to yourself by e-mail, or any combination of those.

  33. I've found a few bugs with it by Raleel · · Score: 5, Informative

    Overall, I'm quite happy with it, but I've found a few bugs. yes, I've reported at least one to apple

    1) iChatAV and a AD account - If I try to opena video chat to a person, and I am logged in via my Active directory account (i.e. authenticated to the AD domain), the video connection fails. Audio is fine, jsut video

    2) If I open a chat to one particular friend, it causes my cpu to pegged. Fortunately the process is niced (iChat, that is) and so it's not particularly disruptive, but it's a very ahrd problem to diagnose (it's only him, other people with the same setup work fine)

    3) using Mail.app to access an exchange server with an exchange mail account (i.e. you select "exchange account" when you set up your mail, different than the imap one), you cannot make rules that filter to subdirectories of Inbox. Very odd.

    Otherwise, I'm pretty happy. You can't encrypt home directories of "network accounts" (read: AD accounts), even if you tell it to create a local home directory, but the home directory encryption is pretty slick. Expose, of course, is unique, and I've still not used it extensively. The asking for a password when coming back from sleep is a much needed repair.

    As a whole I find that it's quite a lot faster than the previous version, and all the subtle tweaks are a good add. I didn't know about the command-tab switching. I use that a lot in windows.

    Probably worth the $130

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  34. Re:It's $129..... by BenjyD · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So let's see. This release is faster, more secure and contains many significant UI and system improvements - encryption, Expose, power on/off scheduling. Also improvements to the apps included as well - TextEdit, Mail etc.
    Just because Apple is being modest and only calling it a 0.1 increase doesn't mean it's only a minor upgrade.

  35. Re:apt-get for OS X? by the+Man+in+Black · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If I had the cash, no doubt I'd pick up a G5 also, but as it stands, I can build my own tower out of commodity parts, whiz-bang it out with geeky toys like neon lights and the like, install Debian, and I'm good to go. I have a primary desktop/file server storage for mp3z and pr0n (sweet, sweet pr0n). Add a PowerBook, and I have all the application and ease-of-use userspace things that I lack with Debian; iTunes (there is no better mp3 player), Word (I know, I know, but the fact of the matter is Word is a pretty good piece of bloatware. Does anyone know where I can get document templates for OOO and the like? 'cuz I'll switch if I can get those), iTunes (no seriously, it's good), not to mention games, Adobe and Macromedia products, the list goes on. Plus PowerBooks are sexy with the backlit keyboard and all.

    So I'm good for the time being.

  36. it's not that simple by sacrilicious · · Score: 4, Insightful
    if you don't want the new features then you don't have to pay for them. And, if you don't pay for them, you're existing system doesn't become any less productive

    This view can only be supported by having a very static view of how software is used. I was using OSX 10.1 when 10.2 was released. I suddenly began running into many commercial and open source products that required 10.2. For example, virtually everything on osxgnu.org now requires 10.2, and this is not because these projects are using 10.2 specific features; they're binary compatibility requirements. Fink is another example, and they already note on their page that 10.3 will require a new install from them. I also encountered this in a substantial number of commercial apps and drivers. Apple itself removed the 10.1 dev tools from their page by the time I went to get them.

    For some people, myself included, software is a living, dynamic thing. I don't want 10.3 because of whatever assortment of new features it has; I want it because I'm afraid of being cut off from a bunch of things on which I depend. And if I get it, it's going to force some painful transition choices on me by breaking some 10.2-dependent stuff. In some ways the transitions between these 10.x versions is more jarring than that from 9.x to osx; at least when 9.x was left behind, dual boot and emulation support was provided.

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    1. Re:it's not that simple by keytoe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      this is not because these projects are using 10.2 specific features; they're binary compatibility requirements
      Apple initially released a binary API in 10.0 that would allow as much compatibility as possible with existing tools (mostly the stuff they grabbed from NeXT), but they had every intention of moving to the new one as soon as they could. With the release of 10.2, they made that change.

      Sure, this broke the old apps, but they needed to do it, and wanted to do it as soon as possible so that other application developers wouldn't be hit so hard by it. Would you rather have had them wait until this revision to make the change? The amount of third party applications out there right now is significantly larger than it was when they released 10.2.

      You are assuming that Apple will change the API again - which is not the case at all. They had to make a change, and they did it as soon as they could. Given the (relatively) seamless transition from OS 9 to OS X as a whole, I can forgive them this single issue.

      Finally, this is hardly an Apple only issue. Anybody remember having to bump glibc versions? By hand? With some legacy apps that didn't like the new version? On a live system? I sure do...
  37. Re:How thats a slashdotted site NOT by the+Man+in+Black · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you like, you can check the SourceForge page, where the LifeSpan stats show that it's been downloaded 1,204,740 times.

  38. Biggest imporvement by iJed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The biggest improvement in Panther is simply the speed. On an oldish G3 or G4 the performance increase in doing everything is incredible. After this Expose has to be next best improvement. This really makes managing windows a whole magnitude easier. I've simply never seen a nicer way of doing this. I've set it to activate on the click of mouse button 4.

  39. Make that 4 years behind by Gabriel+Radic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    QuartzExtreme is Jaguar's last year feature.

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  40. Re:apt-get for OS X? by sammy+baby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My advice: wait. Apple is trying to get new versions of the G5s released in a couple months, including a dual 2.4 GHz model, and eventually a dual 3.0. When that happens, expect retailers to drop the cost of the dual 2.0 model signifigantly.

    (I don't often advise waiting to purchase a computer because "something better is just around the corner," since this is IT we're talking about, and that's always the case. But reviews I've read place the power/performance ratio for the top of the line G5 at higher than its little brothers, a distinction usually reserved for one of the cheaper models. So here, it seems worthwhile to bide your time.)

  41. That app was PortsManager. by Xenex · · Score: 3, Informative
    MetaPkg is the result of Fink, OpenDarwin, and Gentoo working together in porting applications to Mac OS X/Darwin. Their separate packaging distributions will still remain.
    If anyone has run a beta release of 10.3, they've seen a very early build of the app that these groups have produced.
    That was actually PortsManager, and it's part of the OpenDarwin project. OpenDarwin are the people creating DarwinPorts.

    I've briefly babble about PortsManager before over at MacSlash.

    Install DarwinPorts, then use it to install PortsManager. Simple!

    Here's a shiny image of PortsManager, in all its Aqua goodness.
    1. Re:That app was PortsManager. by GlassHeart · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Here's a shiny image of PortsManager, in all its Aqua goodness.

      It's not just the buttons. Looking at your screen shot, I mean this in the most constructive way possible:

      • What's "devel", "comms", "parallel", or "textproc" who doesn't already know what they mean?
      • What's the difference between "sci" and "science", or "sysutil" and "sysutils", or "amusements" and "games"?
      • Why are "irc" and "mail" not under "net" or "comms"?
      • What is "lang", and why is "python" not under "lang" or "devel"?
      • Looking at the list, why are lame and bladeenc, which are end user applications, presented together with libvorbis and other libraries? Why are servers put in the same list as applications?

      Yes, I know the answers and I understand the limitations of the database, but this is exactly what people mean when they say Unix is cryptic. I'd like to see the left pane become a list of Applications, Libraries, and Servers, each grouped perhaps by categories like "audio", "games", "office", and so on. Provide a clickable link to the home page of each application, and perhaps the date of last update, or an indicator of its maturity.

  42. Re:apt-get for OS X? by __aahkth3217 · · Score: 4, Informative

    As a word of warning however, the fink project hasn't yet been updated to work in 10.3. Check their sourceforge page for more info here.

  43. Bear in mind who the author is... by pev · · Score: 2, Informative

    Whilst I'd personally agree broadly with what David Pogue wrote, its worth reminding readers that he's the author of :
    Mac OS 9 - The missing manual
    Mac OS X - The missing manual
    Switching to the Mac - The missing manual
    iMovie - The missing manual
    iPhoto - The missing manual
    The Flat screen iMac for dummies
    MacWorld Secrets
    More Macs for Dummies
    Macs for Teachers
    MacWorld Mac FAQs
    The great Macintosh easter egg hunt
    The iBook for dummies
    Mac OSX Hints
    and,
    The Microsloth joke book

    admittedly, in his defence he's also writtin :
    Windows ME - the missing manual
    Windows XP - the missing manual

    but from the list, I think you can get the gist of his personal OS of choice :-) So don't take it as an unbiased review....

    ~Pev

  44. OS 9/Panther by UnixRevolution · · Score: 4, Informative

    I would just like to note for the sake of doing so that if you install Panther over a Mac that can boot into OS 9 (alongside jaguar or something), you can still boot into OS 9 afterwards.

    Also, the fast user switching is awesome!

    --
    You like your new Mac more than you like me, don't you, Dave? Dave? I asked...She said Yes.
  45. It can be that simple by stewby18 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Fink is another example, and they already note on their page that 10.3 will require a new install from them.

    Although your point is still valid, Fink is a terrible example of it--like many tools out there, fink will have a new version of the software for 10.3, but will (presumably, since they do it now) continue to offer the 10.1 and 10.2 versions for download. Granted, not all the packages will stay available forever, but there's no reason you can't back up the working versions of all the 10.2 packages you want and call it a day.

    While I understand what you are saying, you are choosing to live in a dynamic-software mode, which is probably not a good mode to live your life in if you don't like to pay for upgrades. I know people (in the CS field, not just Joe User) who almost never update anything, and they get along just fine. It's possible to live in a static software world if you are willing to make a few trade-offs. It's up to you to decide whether the money or the cutting edge of everything is most important to you.

  46. Apple sez... by EricWright · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... double-click an X11 app in Finder, and X11 automatically starts up, then opens your app. And yes, X11 is installed by default when you install Panther. Check it out here!

    1. Re:Apple sez... by iso · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not installed by default, but it is an install option. To get it, you either need to download it from Apple, or choose "custom install" when installing Panther and choose to install X11. It's included on the 3rd CD of Panther.

  47. Re:Expose stolen Windows feature? by jtdubs · · Score: 3, Informative

    So, "Tile Windows Horizontally" is the same as:

    Shrink all visible applications to tiles on the desktop, allow the user to choose one, and then expand the applications back to their original sizes with the user chosen one on top?

    Also, Expose doesn't resize windows, it scales them. In other words, the windows don't receive resize events because the aren't being resized. Instead, their presentation is being scaled by the vector graphics system in Quartz Extreme.

    Have you ever actually used Tile Windows Horizontally? If so, have you ever actually seen or used Expose?

    Justin Dubs

  48. Re:apt-get for OS X? by CommandNotFound · · Score: 2, Informative

    Does anyone know where I can get document templates for OOO and the like?

    The easiest way is to just buy StarOffice for $79 USD (I believe the license still allows 5 users to use a single "network install"). It comes with lots of clip art, doc templates, presentation templates, etc. Buy it here.

    If you want less stuff, but for free, I believe you can find files here and here.

  49. Keys and Passphrases are not stored / not hackable by Corpus_Callosum · · Score: 4, Informative

    I posted this elsewhere, in a deeper comment, but I think it is worthwhile to address this to your original comment to stop the confusion that your comment might have caused.

    2048 bit encryption is useless if the key is protected by a short, english passphrase - you may as well just have the short english passphrase as the key. You have to separate key and data to make it worthwhile. [newline] Unless the keys can be held on removable USB pen drives or similar then a simple brute force attack against the passphrase will give you the key required to decrypt the data. [newline] This is the problem with many CD encryption programms - sure the disc is encrypted, but the encryption/decryption algorythm is on the disk as well, and so is the key - just obfusicated a little using a simple function that is keyed with a short passphrase that can easily (at least compared to finding the long key) be found.

    You are making a common mistake that many people not involved in crypto/security make regarding passwords and encryption. You believe that the AES key is stored somewhere, unlocked by a passphrase. It is not. The AES key is algorithmically derived from the passphrase.

    When you enter your passphrase, that passphrase essentially acts as a source for a strong cryptographic hash function. The result of the cryptographic hash is the encryption key. There is never a time that your passphrase, your key or anything related to either is ever stored on the hard-drive.

    Brute force against such hash functions with variable-length passphrases is VERY VERY HARD. In fact, there are very few techniques that provide better key retrieval security.

    --
    The reason that it can be true that 1+1 > 2 is that very peculiar nonzero value of the + operator
  50. Re:Expose stolen Windows feature? by YouHaveSnail · · Score: 2, Informative

    It sounds exactly to me like the options you have when you right click on your Windows taskbar: Tile Windows Horizontally, Tile Windows Vertically, Minimize all Windows

    It's entirely different. Expose rearranges some/all of your windows, but only for as long as you hold down the appropriate key. After that, they all snap back to their former location, unless you've done something to change that.

    So you're working on a project and you need to get back to a window that's under 5 others, or you need to get to the desktop for a moment, and you don't want to move all your windows. You press a key, and the windows either shrink down so that you can see them all, allowing you to choose the one you want, or they all fly out of the way so you can manipulate stuff on the desktop. It's nice. It's a little whizzy, but it really does work well and is useful.

    MS Windows' tiling features just make all your windows too small to be of any use.

  51. Funny about that $130 by YouHaveSnail · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's funny (strange) that Mr. Pogue makes such a big deal ("Now the big one:...") about the $130 upgrade price. I'm willing to bet that his copy of Panther didn't cost him even $0.01. He probably got a "review copy" or a "not for resale copy" or somesuch.

    If you're the kind of guy who wants to get a lot of free stuff - books, gadgets, hardware, etc. - you can hardly do better than to become an author and reviewer. Write one or two books, and suddenly every other author in that field wants your name and a quote on the back of their book. I believe Dave Barry has written on this subject, and he's a lot funnier than I am, so I'll leave it to him.

    Anyway, the upshot is that you should pretty much ignore anything that any hardware or software reviewer says about money, because they likely haven't spent any of theirs on hardware or software in quite a while.

  52. A little mistake... by p-p-pom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One thing that is very, VERY good about Mac OS X is the excellent I18N of the system, which works right out of the box. I use Japanese, English and French on a daily basis and the new improved Japanese input method makes this task quite manageable. An excellent idea was also to make the terminal (which still mostly sucks, but still) but UTF-8 by default. Including vim was also a smart move but WHY OH WHY did they have to compile it without multibyte support? It then becomes useless on the terminal they provide... fortunately this is easy to fix yourself.

  53. Re:Virus free?? by kalidasa · · Score: 4, Informative

    If OSX was "100% virus free", why would they have Virex, which has updates once a month?

    Mostly to kill Windows viruses that will affect Windows users if you mistakenly forward an infected email to one, or you if you're using a version of Office that can run VB viruses. There are some rare UNIX-based viruses, and probably, every once in a while, a genuine OS X virus, but I'd be surprised if the number of viruses that can do any harm on an OS X system without any MS products installed is more than 20.

  54. Re:Huh? by Eccles · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think there's a job opening for you at the Mirage...

    yeah, but a guy who used to work there says it's a pain in the neck...

    --
    Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
  55. Not a double standard at all by Tony · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Software should be free," is not a double-standard. It's an ideal.

    When you hear people griping about spending tons of money on MS products, it's because they are overpriced, bloated, insecure hacks from a corporate megalith that hates innovation because it means they might miss the Next Big Thing. Like the music industry, they don't want surprise hits; they want engineered hits.

    Apple, on the other hand, has a corporate philosophy that respest, even *loves*, the computer. I believe this is Wozniak's biggest legacy: the love of the computer. So when Apple makes a product, it is often well worth the admission price.

    You are confusing two orthogonal issues: the ideal of free software, and the judgements of the current state of corporate, commercial software. Just because some of us hold the Free Software ideal does not mean we don't hold valid opinions about the commercial software industry.

    I hope this helps clarify the issue.

    --
    Microsoft is to software what Budweiser is to beer.
  56. Pogue also writes Windows by rjung2k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you checked his bibliography, you'll see that David Pogue has also written several books for Windows, such as The Missing Manual series for Windows XP and Windows Me.

    Pogue might enjoy Macs, but he's hardly a Microsoft-bashing zealot.

    1. Re:Pogue also writes Windows by clontzman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Surely -- it goes both ways. He shouldn't be reviewing XP either. I'm not accusing him of being anti-Microsoft, just of being unflinchingly pro-Apple (which makes writing an impartial review more of a challenge). Surely there are journalists who can write a reasoned review of a product who aren't also living off of the teat of the product they're reviewing.

  57. Re:It's $129..... by BenjyD · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My original post was actually intended for another, similar-sounding post that said it wasn't worth the money, I just clicked reply on the wrong one.

    It does seem odd that apple can't (or won't) maintain some sort of backwards compatibility, even if only to a limited extent. That said, I imagine the value of the time saved in a year for an average worker using a Mac instead of a Windows machine is probably more than $130.

    I don't own a mac personally - my OS comes with free upgrades every few hours (Gentoo).

  58. Re:It's $129..... by tgibbs · · Score: 2, Informative
    That makes it an Apple .1 upgrade/bugfix/annual tithing. Almost everything they make (along with others) doesn't work on pre-10.2
    Nonsense. I know plenty of people who never bothered to upgrade to Jaguar, and their software still works fine. The only things that don't work on 10.1 are the completely new applications, which are a big part of what Apple is selling with these major (even though the put the version number after the decimal instead of before) upgrades. Apple tends to promote it as an OS upgrade that includes some bonus applications, but it is at least as reasonable to say that you are paying for a set of new applications and utilities that also includes a bonus OS upgrade.
  59. Re:Apple is garbage by kilfarsnar · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Well, at least you present a well reasoned arguement. Macintosh computers are more stable and pleasant to use. There are great features built into the OS, which you would know had you read the article.

    I know Windows pretty well. I work with it professionally and have an MCSE in Win2k (I'm not bragging, I swear). I wouldn't use it at home though. Product activation? Trustworthy computing? Please. And if that doesn't change your mind like a bolt of lightning, well I guess you're just a stupid head.

    --
    "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
  60. Congrats NYTimes by CptChipJew · · Score: 3, Informative

    The article states that the 10.1 upgrade was $130.

    The 10.1 upgrade was free. If you made an image of the CD, then removed one particular file of the image, and reburned the disc, you had a bonafide 10.1 full install.

    But the discs were free. You could even get more than one if you asked nicely enough at the Apple store.

    --
    Vonal Declosion
  61. Re:How thats a slashdotted site NOT by ChuckleBug · · Score: 2, Funny

    He prolly didn't notice the space and thought it meant 49 people downloadID it.

  62. Re:Huh? by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 2, Funny
    I think there's a job opening for you at the Mirage...

    yeah, but a guy who used to work there says it's a pain in the neck...

    Worse than that. The job really bites.

    --
    Shop as usual. And avoid panic buying.
  63. Funny... by filmsmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've been using Mac's since I was a wee lad and am calling Panther OS X 3 (oh-ess-ex three). Just makes things easier.

  64. Command-Backtick and more by Slur · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not only does Command-Backtick snd the front window to the back but Command-Shift-Backtick brings the rear window to the front.

    --
    -- thinkyhead software and media
  65. The Macintosh is the most compatible platform by PghFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This response was e-mailed to David Pogue in reply to his New York Times article":

    > "..that far more software is available for Windows (true; "only"
    > 6,500 programs are available for Mac OS X).."

    I'm afraid I'm going to have to take exception to the above statement. While it's true that there are more native Windows applications, I think that this is a misleading metric.

    The Macintosh is by far the most compatible platform. It runs Classic applications, Mac OS X applications, BSD applications, Linux applications, and X11 applications. As surely you know, the Mac will even run Windows applications via Virtual PC.

    This being the case, it's a reasonable conclusion that "far more software is available for Windows" is a false statement. I thank you kindly for an otherwise excellent article.

    --
    --- Fox
  66. Beware the FileVault by evand · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've been using the release build of Panther for a while, now, and, while I think it's a worthwhile upgrade, I strongly recommend not enabling FileVault .

    I enabled it on my new 15" Aluminum PowerBook on Sunday and was seeing serious corruption of my files by Tuesday. My keychain was corrupted, my iTunes library metadata file was corrupted, my preferences were corrupted, and some of my Data Structures and Algorithms Java source files were corrupted. Beyond that, I stopped counting, backed up to my iPod, and reinstalled.

    To be fair, this isn't a build I obtained from Apple or a retail store, so it's possible that it's not what's in the box (although the about box indicates build 7B85, and, from what I can tell, that's GM). It might be worth letting other early adopters check out the retail version of FileVault, however, before doing so yourself.