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Three More Solar Flares

Evil Adrian writes "Space.com reports that the sun shot off three more solar flares on Monday. This is quite a historic period for solar activity." The article breaks down the recent flares, and what the effects have been. Update: 11/05 01:57 GMT by T : cyberMalex writes "Space.com is reporting the 10th in a string of major solar flares which have been errupting from the sun over the past two weeks. "This one saturated the X-ray detectors on the NOAA's GOES satellites that monitor the Sun. The jury is therefore out on the definitive classification of the flare." "Other scientists have indicated the flare may indeed be an X20 or stronger. Only one X20 event has been seen in recent years, and it was not Earth-directed and had little effect.""

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  1. Aurora Cam by dolo666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the site: Aurora Cam, which "shows the current extent and position of auroral activity in the northern hemisphere, based on measurements taken during the most recent polar pass of the NOAA POES satellite."

    Does this recent solar activity make any of you feel uneasy? I mean... is it time for Bruce Willis to suit up again and save the planet? Nine X-class solar flares... eeeek. That has to be bad.

    1. Re:Aurora Cam by JamesD_UK · · Score: 4, Funny

      How about sending Red Adair off to the sun to cool things off a bit?

    2. Re:Aurora Cam by zephc · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Does this recent solar activity make any of you feel uneasy?"

      No no, it's a perfectly natural, healthy thing for a star of his age to... want to experiment in self-gratification. You see, a star that age is still learning more about itself, and should be encouraged to do so, in a healthy way. Of course, our star may be doing this a bit too often right now, but it is a novelty that will soon wear off, and once he has become more accustomed to his self, he may do it a lot less. In the meantime, we here on earth must not make our Sun feel ashamed of this, merely support him, and try not to get hit in the face.

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      "I would say that 99 per cent of what my father has written about his own life is false." - L. Ron Hubbard Jr.
    3. Re:Aurora Cam by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Funny
      It might be something to worry about when we have the means of evacuating the solar system, or at least the planet. Even if someone knows the sun is going to explode in a week, is there any reason for us to worry? We can't do anything to stop it nor can we save ourselves, so why worry?

      No, we need to know about it so we can all eat, drink, and be merry in the time that we have left.... then all feel really stupid (not to mention owe apologies to that girl in the cubical down the hall) when nothing happens ;) Y2K anyone?

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    4. Re:Aurora Cam by lonesome+phreak · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was listening to NPR about something like this, but it was a person worrying about a giant planet-killer. My opinion was "so?". I've got other things to worry about than solar flares or planet-killers. It's not like I could get away anyway.

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      Maybe we DID take the blue pill. You wouldn't remember anyway.
    5. Re:Aurora Cam by timeOday · · Score: 3, Funny
      It was unprecedented to have a large flare on an off year. It was unprecedented to have a second one. And now it's unprecedented to have a whole flurry of them within a week.
      Well, it certainly puts to shame those naysayers who continue to insist that this is all just a natural phenomenon of some sort; that man is not to blame. You know the type, driving their SUVs to work at the coal factory. How many more "coincidences" will it take to convince them?!
  2. Biblical by GaelenBurns · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wish I had my Revelations better memorized.

    1. Re:Biblical by mr_z_beeblebrox · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wish I had my Revelations better memorized.

      "And the horsemen spoke "Behold 9 solar prominences" And the Earth was smited by an X15.

    2. Re:Biblical by Theatetus · · Score: 5, Informative

      First off: why?

      Secondly, it's Revelation or if you prefer Apocalypse (which is just Greek for "Revelation"). Books back then didn't have titles, and this one simply comes from the first word of the book.

      Thirdly, it's a very thinly-disguised mid-2nd-century political invective about the fall of Rome and Judaism and the establishment of a Christian hegemony in eastern Europe and western Asia, not the end of the world.

      Fourthly, in most modern Christian's minds it has been hopelessly confused with Daniel and John's letters (for example, most people you ask will tell you that Revelation mentions the Anti-Christ; it does not. The only biblical references to "antichrist" are in John's letters, and it's "antichrists" not "The Antichrist").

      Fifthly, the reference to the sun in Revelation is:

      "I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth" (Rev. 6:12)
      which is the exact opposite of what the sun is doing right now.

      Sixthly and lastly, memorizing books about imaginary tribal deities strikes me as an immense waste of time, but if it works for you, more power to you.

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      All's true that is mistrusted
  3. it.. by xao+gypsie · · Score: 3, Funny

    it appears that i was right the first time. Shamash, the mesopotamian sun god is really angry. run to your ziggurats all ye heathen, and make your sacrifices it is too late and we are decimated under his awesome power!!!
    (for a niminal fee, i will be willing to act as priest...)

    xao

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  4. From the article by UrgleHoth · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Sun cut loose with three severe flares in less than 24 hours through Monday morning

    cut loose? Is thr journalist trying to make a gastrointestinal metaphor here?

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  5. Historic Period? by Grip3n · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Historic period in solar flares? Sorry, I might not be all that caught up on my solar flare monitoring, but how long have we been doing that exactly? It can't be more than in the last 50 years and considering the age of the subject in question, that's not even a drop in the bucket - its an atom in the bucket. Who knows? Perhaps this is a little more regular than we originally thought. We just started getting into this. I know if I had as much gas as the Sun I'd be doing a whole lot of belching too.

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    1. Re:Historic Period? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Scientists have been using beryllium content in icebergs to trace the general prominence of sunspots and their activity over the last 1150 years. This activity exceeds any on that record as well.

    2. Re:Historic Period? by skarmor · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sorry, I might not be all that caught up on my solar flare monitoring, but how long have we been doing that exactly?

      Richard Christopher Carrington published his Observation of the Spots of the Sun in 1863. He was observing a group of sun spots when, "...two patches of intensely bright and white light broke out."

      His description:

      "I saw I was an unprepared witness of a very different affair. I therefore noted down the time by the chronometer, and seeing the outburst to be very rapidly on the increase, and being somewhat flurried by the surprise, I hastily ran to call some one to witness the exhibition with me, and on returning within 60 seconds, was mortified to find that it was already much changed and enfeebled. Very shortly afterwards the last trace was gone. In this lapse of 5 minutes, the two patches of light traversed a space of about 35,000 miles."

      So I guess we've been monitoring solar flares for some 140 years...

    3. Re:Historic Period? by Gulthek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We have samples from icebergs measuring beryllium-10, which give us a good picture of solar activity for the past couple thousand years or so.

      Aside from that, it's a historic period in solar flares simply because we haven't seen it happen before. Just because we don't know how common this occurence is in the full grand scheme of things, doesn't mean that it isn't noteworthy when we see it for the first time!

    4. Re:Historic Period? by pclminion · · Score: 3, Informative
      Well, considering that the word "historic" means "within the realm of written records," then yes, this is the biggest event that has been recorded in writing. There's a reason we call the dinosaurs (as an example) "prehistoric" and not "historic." They came BEFORE written history. Since these flares are the largest recorded in written history, the term "historic" is apt.

      So yes, the Sun has most likely had numerous PREhistoric solar flare events of this magnitude. But none in recorded history. It's a historic event.

      Sincerely,
      Your local anal-retentive

    5. Re:Historic Period? by kevlar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Whats even more interesting is that there are fairly solid theories that solar flare activity is directly related to the mean global temperature. In other words, the green house effect may very well be *mostly* caused by the Sun, rather than CO2 in the atmosphere.

    6. Re:Historic Period? by TGK · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For the record, most environmentalists are less worried about the planet and more worried about you.

      No one has any doubts that if human kind makes the biggest mess we can of this ball of mud that life will go on. The industrial companies are right, human kind is small change in the cycles of global climate.

      Of course, when you're small change it doesn't take a whole hell of a lot to exterminate you and most everything like you.

      No one thinks we're gonna wreck the planet, but aside from Al Gore, most of us wouldn't want to see Florida under water.

      Humankind probably won't make any major changes in the global scheme of things, but the minor changes we make could cause untold havoc, suffering, and chaos... at least on the human scale.

      So yes... the Sun might be the major cause of global warming.... in much the same way that your heater is the major thing that heats your house.

      Does this mean it's a good idea to set the drapes on fire?

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  6. 3 flares in 24 hours, BAH! by gasgesgos · · Score: 3, Funny

    From the article:The Sun cut loose with three severe flares in less than 24 hours


    That's nothing special, I've cut loose with three severe flares in one hour before!

    Although I didn't cause pretty lights in the sky, I just cleared the room :(

  7. It's not the # of flares .. it's by jaxdahl · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's the size of these flares that's unusual. Never have astronomers seen 2 Jupiter sized sunspots tranversing the sun at the same time. The number of sunspots is about normal for this time in the 11 year solar cycle. Here's a nice summary page: http://www.n3kl.org/sun/noaa.html

    1. Re:It's not the # of flares .. it's by JamesD_UK · · Score: 4, Informative

      This page from Nasa's Astronomy Picture of the day site shows some amazing images of these sun spots.

  8. The most activity in 1150 years by Bendebecker · · Score: 3, Informative

    Another good article about this here.

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    most of us won't be able to afford it.
    -- Lemmy
  9. Guilt-free fun by Malor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One thing that I'm really enjoying about the solar flares, unlike most Earthly climate events, is that we can be absolutely certain we didn't cause it via pollution or global warming or what have you. When I see the hurricanes and tornadoes and big wildfires, there's always this nagging worry in the back of my mind that it might not be happening if we weren't spitting out all the pollution.

    But we have no effect whatsoever on the Sun, so I can sit back and watch the show guilt-free. :-)

  10. aurora by Rumagent · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I always find it fascinating, when the universe demonstrates just how small and insignificant we really are... that, and watching aurora is a great way of getting kids interested in astronomy.

  11. Re:Nothing really matters. by The+Man · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I disagree that we're much better at keeping records. The records exist, sure, and often they're stored on the most reliable media we have. You could have said the same thing 1000 years ago as well, and yet despite the abundance of records and the reliability of storage, not enough survived to give a detailed picture of many events. I suspect the same will be true 1000 years from now.

  12. Bennifer by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 5, Funny
    What did we have to sacrifice to prevent this again?? i can't read mayan..

    Oddly enough, we have to sacrifice Ben and JLo.

    The Mayan line in question is "Big head, snake, rock shaped thing, potato with teeth, something that looks like a broken Trane air conditioning unit, something with three legs and four ears, a bigger potato with teeth and breasts, Jabba The Hut, another big head, a pile of little tiny heads, a medium sized head with a smaller head next to it, an aborted fetus someone inflated with an air pump."

    The rough translation is "annoying couple (in unity) with mighty hair and (ass) who commit crime of that (terrible) Gigli."

    Yes, there's a heiroglyph for "Gigli".

    Hey, they were WAY ahead of their time.

    Related Link

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  13. Nice Headline by Captain+McCrank · · Score: 4, Funny
    Sun on Fire, Unleashes 3 More Major Flares

    Scott McNealy is such a fucking loose cannon. When will his handlers reign in his hockey-rage?

    FOR THE SAKE OF THE CHILDREN, PLEASE STOP SCOTT!

  14. Re:Anyone see anything? by FrostedWheat · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here you go:

    http://www.sec.noaa.gov/pmap/index.html

    That shows the current aurora activity for both poles. Click on the one nearest to you and wait until there's some activity near you :)

    Even if the activity looks quite far from you, check anyway. We had lots of aurora visable here even tho the map showed it about a hundred miles away.

  15. Re:I wonder why by DogIsMyCoprocessor · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bush - "The more solar flares are shot at us, the more it shows the desperation of the Sun."

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    "And this is my boy, Sherman. Speak, Sherman." "Hello." "Good boy."

  16. Re:I wonder why by pclminion · · Score: 3, Funny
    I was once in a university class called "Alpine Environments" in which we studied, well, the obvious. There was a student in class who seemed quite literally to be on acid at all times. He was barely comprehensible when he spoke, rocked back and forth in his seat constantly, and was generally pretty creepy.

    One day in the class the professor says "Now, at elevations above 9000 feet it is extremely important to wear sunblock, since the ultraviolet radiation from the sun is much stronger where the air is thinner."

    This guy shoots his hand up with a crazed look on his face and screams: "My God, are you saying there's RADIATION coming from the SUN?!" It took about five minutes of soothing, but he finally calmed back down and seemed to accept the fact that light, indeed, is radiation.

    So don't laugh too hard. Some people might well be stupid enough to take your joke literally.

  17. Solar Observations by evilpenguin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm no solar scientist, but I don't think it is even remotely reasonable for anyone to say anything about the sun is "unprecedented." The percentage of the sun's life that human beings have been observing has to be less than 0.01%

    Maybe everything we've seen up to now has been atypical and this represents a return to the norm.

  18. Arnold Schwarzenegger? by Omega · · Score: 4, Funny

    Doesn't anyone else see the correlation between Arnold Schwarzenegger becoming governor of California, the Yankees losing the World Series to the Florida Marlins and the repeated solar flares? I'm counting at least 3 horsemen of the apocalypse here.

    1. Re:Arnold Schwarzenegger? by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 4, Funny

      We still need Microsoft Linux, so we'll be safe for a while.

  19. How quickly we forget by Syncdata · · Score: 3, Funny

    That the apocalypse was narrowly averted in the National league and American leage championship series.
    If Boston or chicago had won, I might be donning my tinfoil hat, but as it is, no worries.

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    "Inattention makes clowns of us all" -Bean
  20. Saw one in RI last thursday by overunderunderdone · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I saw one in Rhode Island last thursday night around 7:00. It was very dim and at first I just thought it was light pollution I always notice from the town north of me. But after a while it became more distinct and had that characteristic aurora shimmering and shifting. It was still so dim that I was half convinced it was only my over active imagination until a friend called to tell me to go out an look at it.