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Microsoft Offers A Bounty On Virus Writers

Iphtashu Fitz writes "According to news.com Microsoft will announce a bounty of $250,000 on Wednesday for information on who wrote two recent Windows viruses. The bounty is offered for information that leads to the arrest of the people who released the MSBlast worm and the SoBig virus. Microsoft will officially announce the reward in a joint press conference with the FBI and U.S. Secret Service Wednesday morning. This is the first time a company has offered money for information about the identity of the cybercriminals. Could this be the start of a new trend in going after the writers of viruses & worms?"

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  1. I heard they needed skilled people by svvampy · · Score: 5, Funny

    But this is ridiculous!

    1. Re:I heard they needed skilled people by studpuppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So.. like, is the 250K a signing bonus? Or do they get it in stock options? Of course, the real question is... is it cheaper for MS to pay 250K to jail each person that writes a virus exploiting on of their security holes than it is to pay the developers to avoid creating them in the first place?

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    2. Re:I heard they needed skilled people by smchris · · Score: 2, Funny


      I think that is why I find it strangely appealing. Envision the typical biker dude bounty hunter storming some high school kid's room. Does C*O*P*S do the occasional bounty hunter episode: "Bad Nerd, Bad Nerd, whacha gonna do?"

      But only if Gates presents the check personally.

    3. Re:I heard they needed skilled people by kfg · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think they're going to pay it in used computers valued as new and Windows seat licenses.

      If you want actual CDs you'll have pay retail though.

      KFG

    4. Re:I heard they needed skilled people by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Funny
      C'mon.

      The target was Windows. They can get off - it was entrapment!

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    5. Re:I heard they needed skilled people by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You know damn well that if Linux enjoyed the sort of desktop ubiquity that M$ has right now, we'd all be bitching about the latest exploit/virus/worm and complaining about how it takes so long to get them patched and why in $#%^&$%@#&* couldn't it have been written correctly in the first place!
      Right. Which is why I'm bitching all the time about hbow insecure Apache is, and how long it takes to get it patched, and why the $#%^&$%@#&* it couldn't have been written right in the first place ...

      ... oh, wait a minute, I'm not.
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    6. Re:I heard they needed skilled people by GreyPoopon · · Score: 3, Funny
      can I shop the microsoft outlook team in? it might not be a virus itself, but a virus facilitator at least!

      Microsoft Outlook: The IDE for virus development.

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    7. re: i heard they needed skilled people by ed.han · · Score: 5, Funny

      cantina thug: "i have the death sentence in 12 systems"

      virus writer: "ah, but microsoft is offering a US $250,000 bounty for me!"

      cantina thug: "..."

      virus writer: "and i shut down millions of PCs on my home planet!"

      cantina thug: "..."

      virus writer: "and in a little while, i'll finally be able to move out of my parents' basement!"

      cantina thug: "that does it."

      [blaster fire]

      ed

    8. Re:I heard they needed skilled people by BlewScreen · · Score: 2, Insightful
      well...

      from this report:

      To give an idea of the scope of the deterioration problem, 150 bridges collapse each year in the US

      Yeah, that was 1996, but there were "engineering standards" back then...

      As far as I can tell, there's nothing that is Perfect... It doesn't matter how many standards you have in place, humans introduce a certain amount of imperfection into whatever they muck with.

      Also, consider that (to the best of my knowledge) no one is out trying to cause bridges to collapse. Now Windoze, on the other hand...

      Sure, MS shares some of the blame here - they didn't produce a "safe" product because of market demand etc. But SO WHAT? If I went around cutting the brake lines on all the cars in supermarket parking lots, would you really blame the car manufacturers for not "securing" their products?

      My point is that there is going to be a way to break something, regardless of how hard you try to secure it. I'm not saying MS necessarily tried hard enough, but you're arguing that they should have created a perfect product and that's simply not possible.

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    9. Re:I heard they needed skilled people by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree...But....

      Its not JUST that MS makes the default user---

      It is also that Windows runs a ton of stupid, random crap in kernel space.

      Like Windows Media Player. Like Internet Explorer. Like Outlook. Like a ton of office stuff.

      None of that belongs in kernel space.

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    10. Re:I heard they needed skilled people by tc · · Score: 3, Informative
      Stop being an apologist for Bill Gates. When he pays for clean water and sanitation for every human being on the planet {and he wouldn't even notice it} or performs some similar act for the greater human good {this would not include hara-kiri - given the mess he would be leaving behind, that would be too much like a coward's way out} then he'll have earned a little of my respect.

      Maybe this is a troll, but I'll bite...

      Last I checked, Bill Gates was performing similar acts for the greater human good. He's one of the most prolific charitable contributors in history. If you check out the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation you'll notice that they have poured billions of dollars into global health projects. According to their annual financial report for 2002 they gave away over $1Bn last year alone.

    11. Re:I heard they needed skilled people by FireChipmunk · · Score: 3, Informative

      You mean bridges don't collaspe?

      What about the Tacoma Narrow Bridge?

      Part of your comparision falls completely flat, we have been building bridges for thousands of years, while software engineering is at best 50 years old.

    12. Re:I heard they needed skilled people by KD5YPT · · Score: 2

      One common way to leak virus. Go to a public library, start a new hotmail account, stick the viruse disk in there. Have fun.

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    13. Re:I heard they needed skilled people by pyros · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's both. Having them run in kernel space means a web browser crash can bring down the whole kernel. Having them run as root means an exploit can give access to the entire system. Either one without the other is bad, but together they are the sux0r.

    14. Re:I heard they needed skilled people by BlewScreen · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Way off topic, but regarding bridges... Here's a list of 15 that fell due to engineering defects.

      I grew up a few miles away from the "Schoharie Creek Bridge" in the list. A week after it fell, a bridge a bit further up the creek fell as well. The second abutted my front yard. Both fell due to poor engineering.

      In fact, the one next to my house was built across a bend in the creek. When they "fixed" it, (eight years later), they built the new one in the same place. Talk about not learning from past mistakes...

      Designing secure and bug-free software is a tedious process, but do-able.

      The original argument was that building bridges that don't fall down is also "do-able"... Apparently, that's not the case.

      There is no way you can guarentee PERFECTION with ANY amount of checks / tests / standards / whatever. Who's going to run the tests? A HUMAN.

      Software or not, humans make mistakes. There's nothing you can do about it. Again, I'm not asserting that MS didn't release a product with "too many" bugs. Just that the goal of "perfection" is WAY beyond reach...

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    15. Re:I heard they needed skilled people by eqkivaro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the biggest problem with windows "worms" is the windows user. 99% of windows worms are simple VBS scripts. if the average windows user took a look at an email attachment with a .vbs extension and simply deleted it then there would be very few issues with microsoft "security". the problem is that the typical windows user is much less computer savy than the typical linux user. it is just as easy to write a shell script for linux or an applescript (do macs still use this?) for the mac, but the typical linux user wouldn't execute a shell script sent to them by a stranger, and there aren't enough mac users for anyone to notice if they ran a dangerous applescript script. i personally use win2k because i play lots of games on my computer, and i'm not patient enough to wait two years for some geek to port an outdated game to linux before i can play it. i have *never* had a computer virus or worm on my win95, wind98 or win2k boxes, and i don't bother with antivirus software.

    16. Re:I heard they needed skilled people by pyros · · Score: 2, Insightful

      blame on me for careless examples. If I'm not mistaken, video drivers run in kernel space, so should have been my example for that. I didn't mean to imply that IE was both a kernel service and run as root, just that those two parts of the Windows platform in combination are bad. And to be fair, the IE rendering code is in system DLLs, so it's not an unreasonable misunderstading to think some of it might be running in kernel space. As for stuff needing to be logged in as administrator, I have a linksys wireless card which, using the current drivers, is useless unless I am logged in as an administrator. Note that I mean 100% useless, it will not associate with an AP unless I am an administrator. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling the driver, I even went through two levels of Linksys support. So in order to have my wireless internet access without buying more hardware, I must run as administrator. :( Fortunately I just run Linux all the time.

    17. Re:I heard they needed skilled people by John+Miles · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have *never* had a computer virus or worm on my win95, wind98 or win2k boxes, and i don't bother with antivirus software.

      That's always been my attitude, too, but it's an obsolete one these days. The last two Windows boxes I've built have been infected with W32.Welchia in the time it takes to download the latest patches from Windows Update. We're talking 30 minutes, max, from plugging in the network cable to rebooting after installing the last security patch.

      Firewalls are a huge pain in the ass for home users, especially gamers, but I'm beginning to believe they're absolutely necessary.

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    18. Re: i heard they needed skilled people by EverDense · · Score: 3, Funny

      virus writer: "and in a little while, i'll finally be able to move out of my parents' basement!"

      cantina thug: "that does it."

      [blaster fire]


      Han Solo: "No need to thank me kid"

      virus writer: "Holy shit, you're Han Solo"

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    19. Re:I heard they needed skilled people by C10H14N2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, but he's worth $46 billion.

      Consider that most people have net worths of $46 thousand or less, he's doing the equivalent of John Q. Citizen writing two checks for five hundred bucks. Even those who are lucky enough to be equity millionaires, that's like sending one kid to college. If he cashed out everything and shoved it into a 2.25% interest bearing checking account he'd STILL make over a billion dollars the first year.

      Besides, he didn't give dime one to a single soul for long after he became a multi-billionaire. Last I recall, "tithing" was considered par for philanthropy and this guy is quite a few points below par on that course. Would you really gush thankful if your local millionaire spent twenty years consuming and hording and then sent one kid to college to save his immortal soul? You probably wouldn't even stop to notice. I'd gander most people would do like a waiter receiving an insulting tip and insist he take his stingy excuse for gratuity and shove it where it came from. Bill Gates' "philanthopy" does not exceed that which is merely beneficial from a tax write-off point of view. He's not being generous at all. He simply knows how to do his taxes, which incidentally means for every billion he sends off to his pet projects, the public coffers lose several hundred million dollars. As the wealthiest person on the planet, I think it is fair to expect real generosity and not just good bookkeeping.

      He's a robber-baron and should be treated with the respect one worthy of the title deserves.

      Oh please, sir, might I have some more?

  2. Not always so catchable... by the+uNF+cola · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not that hard to deploy a virus and not get caught. There are so many open access points and people who forget to log off of an email account after leaving.. how would you track it?

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    1. Re:Not always so catchable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Temptation of $250k might make friends turn on friends - no tracking necessary.

      I wonder if the writers could turn themselves in and still get the reward :)

    2. Re:Not always so catchable... by wizrd_nml · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1) Not getting caught is easy assuming whoever wrote the virus expected such a wide response and therefore took precautions to guard his identity. If he didn't and started bragging to all his friends, who then told their friends...

      2) I wonder if Microsoft are expecting this move to deter people from writing viruses. Maybe someone thought: that virus cost us a lot more than 1/4 million, let's spend that money and set an example even if the guy doesn't get caught.

      3) This is going to spark a new underground industry: write a virus secretly, then turn around and tell microsoft you have info about it (of course in an imaginative enough way not to get caught but still get the bounty).

    3. Re:Not always so catchable... by tanveer1979 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Hmm not really. Given enough resources and motivation, it is not that daunting a task. With internet being taken into control everywhere and watchdogs sitting, it may not be that difficult.

      Ever read the book, "The Silicon Samurai", the cracker in that book was very clever, a master of the art. Still he got caught. Why? Because crackers, virus writers, DDoS organisers have one thing in common. They want fame. They cant sit without leaving clues. History teaches us that the greatest thieves and criminal got caught due to their hunger for fame. This will happen here also. Though i am not to sure if that is a very good thing, coz when such showdowns happen a lot of innocent people suffer.

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    4. Re:Not always so catchable... by asn · · Score: 5, Interesting
      History teaches us that the greatest thieves and criminal got caught due to their hunger for fame.

      History has taught us nothing about the greatest thieves and criminals -- they have never been caught!

    5. Re:Not always so catchable... by f00Dave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your analogy is flawed, since these particular virus/worm writers aren't doing it to "leave a mark on the world", they aren't gloating about what they've done ... they're *using* those infections as part of their *business*. Witness the latest worm's DDoS assault on SpamHaus.

      These writers won't get caught because they can't help but leave signposts, but they *may* get caught if someone in their dirty end of the world rats them out. I mean, after all, they've obviously built up this tool (a private, massive, distributed, anonymized network of PCs) for a reason, and that's for one of two obvious reasons: 1) to sell spam-sourcing services to folks who can't get an ISP to let them send, 2) to cruch their competition/adversaries.

      It's a (commercial) battlefield out there in Packet Land.

      Anyway, that's my take on it. =)

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  3. Today $250k for turning in Windows virus writers by goldcd · · Score: 4, Funny

    Tomorrow: $500k reward for writers of Linux or Apple viruses

  4. I love Microsoft's Logic! by Mastadex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you cant fix the bug, just get rid of the bug writers, so that you dont have fix anything! HA!

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    1. Re:I love Microsoft's Logic! by weileong · · Score: 2, Insightful

      what are the realistic chances of a payout? Beyond finding the person, it's also another question finding enough evidence to put that person away. The realistic odds of MS ever having to pay out the $$, how high is that?

      Actually wont' all this do is that, in the future, the virus writing will be done by the "professional" types who are going to be more careful about covering their tracks (launch only from internet cafes, zombiefied machines? with a long enough chain-of-zombies even assessing the traffic logs is going to come up with inconclusive info?) as opposed to newbie-types? will that ramp up the lethality of the virii?

    2. Re:I love Microsoft's Logic! by witcomb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you mean the bug exploiters

  5. Interesting idea by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Interesting
    But if Microsoft are going to take this approach, then what about extending it to spammers? Microsoft must spend a hell of a lot more the that $250,000 on hardware, bandwidth and stafff to deal with all the spam going to hotmail accounts, so it could actually save them money.

    Or does Microsoft actually make money from spam? I seem to call they were not exactly a staunch supporter of anti-spam legislation recently.

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    1. Re:Interesting idea by stretch0611 · · Score: 3, Funny

      If Microsoft makes it commonplace to pay $250,000 for finding a virus writer, it will go broke soon. After all they only have $50 Billion in cash.

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  6. worms = good by alan_d_post · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The not-very-malicious worms that we've seen exploiting e.g. the NT RPC vuln are good things, IMO. They encourage admins to patch their systems, giving black hats less opportunity to do real damage.

    1. Re:worms = good by Pike65 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well you clearly didn't get a temp job on a helpdesk a week before the shit hit the fan.

      I did >: (

      Besides, in business where the sysadmin wasn't a total retard (read: not where I was) there was no way for the worm to get in. The people who needed to patch their systems were the home users who got shafted for not using firewalls. The same people who use Windows because it's not meant to need much setting up . . .

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  7. Here's an idea.. by greenerx · · Score: 4, Informative

    they should invest the 250000 into their security team and fix the vulnerabilities instead of chasing after 13 year olds

    1. Re:Here's an idea.. by svvampy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Theres only so much money they can throw at a problem.

    2. Re:Here's an idea.. by tcas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Can anybody suggest any source of evidence behind the numerous claims of the age of virus writers?

      I know Script Kiddies are a generally accepted stereotype on Slashdot. But is that really a reflection on reality, or on how Slashdotters spent their time when they were teenagers?

    3. Re:Here's an idea.. by mr_z_beeblebrox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And if they don't catch one, the publicity is free.

      That, in a nutshell, is wit.

  8. Re:Didn't... by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Beg your pardon there, mate, but I don't think virus writers are "the crew" in slashdot. While you may feel some misguided sympathy toward the scum who wilfully destroy computers because said computers run an OS you don't like, it doesn't mean they are what makes slashdot well, slashdot. Then again, most people in here who think of people who write open source software as "one of us" have never writen one line of code, so I guess your comment is fair.

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  9. ..and the state and corporations move another inch by caitsith01 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...closer together.

    Later in the same press conference, newly appointed Communications Secretary William Gates III announced that sale of all software in the United States will cease Monday, to be replaced by a Federally subsidised regime of nationally distributed software based on a uniform technology. In response to questions Mr. Gates indicated that the vendor supplying the software had not yet been selected, before laughing maniacally.

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  11. Re:Make it interesting by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 2, Funny
    Oh god, this is so cliche so I apologize in advance:

    1. Write virus that causes billions of dollars in damage.
    2. ??
    3. Profit!!!

    Microsoft just revealed step 2 as "Turn in your accomplice, get immunity and $250k".

  12. New markets! by Mononoke · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Could this be the start of a new trend in going after the writers of viruses & worms?
    Could this be the start of a new trend of making big bucks writing viruses and worms that make the mean old lady next door with the AOL account look guilty?

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  13. Well, there logic is (half) right... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, ask any doctor and he'll tell you it's better to cure a disease than to treat its symptoms. No virus writers means no viruses, which means no headline news virus alerts and scares.

    Of course, the question is how much of the "disease" is the virus writers and how much is Microsoft itself with its sloppy approach to secure computing?

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    1. Re:Well, there logic is (half) right... by ajr_trm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, ask any doctor and he'll tell you it's better to cure a disease than to treat its symptoms. No virus writers means no viruses, which means no headline news virus alerts and scares.

      The same doctor will tell you that elimination of all dangerous viruses and bacteria from our environment is impossible.
      The best way to fight the diseases is to make our constitution stronger.

      The same with software.

  14. Re:Quite by the+uNF+cola · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even if they do that, they don't scare the people who just a little sneakier than most. And scare tactics doesn't always work. Look at Kazaa. 400+ examples made, and it's still strong.

    Oddly enough, disobedience is not an easy thing to squash. :)

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  15. Nothing particularly diabolical here by jerkos · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't really see anything diabolical here. Someone write a virus(s) that cost MS a lot of money and time. They want them to be caught, and so put up a substantially lesser ammount of money as a reward. It boils down one way or another that distributing a virus is a crime, whether it's against windows or not, and whether or not it causes them to fix a vulnerability. If you're really that worried about it i'm sure they wouldn't mind you simply telling them about it instead of costing thousands of completely innocent people hundred of thousands , if not millions, of dollars of non-MS money just to "get a point accross". It's not like I can call up the FBI, turn in some guy I don't like with no evidence whatsover, collect $250,000 and viola, he goes to jail and I get rich. There are rewards posted all the time by government as well as private organizations for info leading to the arrest of criminals. The only new thing about this is that it happens to be cybercrime instead of murder / kidnapping / burglary / etc etc etc... I'm sure i'll get flamed to hell for seeming to support an MS position, so flame on!

  16. PR stunt by David+Kennedy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is a lovely bit of marketing. It deflects all blame for the viruses onto the writers, and implies that Microsoft have no responsibility here.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd cheerfully beat the living daylights out of a virus writer on the basis that I can barely use my email now. Let's have an analogy:

    You are a major company with expensive commercial premises. [You are a company who uses IT kit.]

    You employ a security firm to look after your building. [You install an OS.]

    Your building burns down because there were no doors and some bored teenagers wandered in and torched the place. [You get burned by a virus, and trust me, that costs business money in downtime and/or admins.]

    Was the teenager guilty? Yes. Was the security firm negligent? Yes. Does going after the teenager mean the security firm is not negligent? Nope.

    I'm rather bemused as to why a major business hasn't sued Microsoft over some of the security scandals this past couple of years. Much as I'd like to see it, I don't think any will really vote with their wallets; migrating desktops for plain ordinary business work (mail, Word, Excel) from Windows is never even discussed, no matter what the servers are.

    My solution? XML document formats! Even if it's not XML, something common. Until we have that there'll always be a monoculture on the commercial desktop.

    (For what it's worth, I bought Office on my Mac OS box. It's nice. I don't like Windows, but I don't object to Office at all, realising that LaTeX isn't for everyone.)

  17. $250K Buys a Lot of Mountain Dew by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because we know these virus-writing punks can't resist bragging about their exploits in whatever low-rent Usenet hang-outs they frequent, it should be interesting to see if there is as little honor among them as there is rumored to be among thieves.

    Script-Kiddie: "Dude! You turned me in to... to... Microsoft!?! That's cold!"

    Former Friend of Script-Kiddie: "Sorry, man, tuition at MIT is a real bitch, yo."

    S.K.: "MIT? What choo talking 'bout, MIT? You go to Westchester Community College!"

    F.F.o.S.K.: "That was before I got this here letter of recommendation from my new sponsor, William H. Gates III. Hey, whaddya think of these new Birkenstocks? Too gay? I kinda think they set off my eyes pretty well, yo..."

    S.K.: "Dooooooood....!" (As two big guys in MS-branded butterfly suits drag him into back of van)

    F.F.o.S.K.: "Hey, look me up when you get out, man. By then I should be setting myself up in my own company and will be able to use a guy with your leet skills."

  18. Re:$250,000 won't fix Windows security by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It won't fix Windows security, that's for sure, and noone claims that it will. On the other hand, I think it's about damn time all those retarded script kids started paying the price. If someone broke into my house, I'd want to see them thrown behind bars. It doesn't matter if my locks were not 100% secure, it doesn't matter if my house door wasn't built to withstand a nuke, and it doesn't matter even if my house wasn't even locked at all. You just have no business breaking into it. Plain and simple. I'd like to see the same idea applied to computers. And if Microsoft wants to offer some money to get the ball rolling, hey, I'm all for it.

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  19. Brilliant move by forged · · Score: 5, Interesting
    No intention to troll, but I honestly think that this decision is brilliant. Software to which you are only granted a license to use, still belongs to Microsoft at the end of the day. To some degree a virus wrecking havoc amongst computer using their software can be seen like if somebody was vandalizing your property. If that was the case and you wanted to catch them, why not put a bounty on their head ? Seems logical to me, if you can afford someone to do it for you.

    Certainly the government has been doing so for a while, considering the various bounties for information leading to the arrest of international criminals and terrorists. Maybe corporation joining the bandwagon to do the same is the next good thing..

    And remember, MS has ~ $50BN in case, so it isn't a big deal to them to put the money where their mouth is. In fact, $250K is rather cheap considering how much bad PR they got recently due to the attacks (that must have cost them $BN's in lost revenue from customers switching), so imho they cound't hope for a better use of the same amount if they tried to make up for the negative publicity some other way.

    1. Re:Brilliant move by lone_marauder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To some degree a virus wrecking havoc amongst computer using their software can be seen like if somebody was vandalizing your property.

      Oops! Be careful with that. Compare the MS business process with real life, and you might raise the specter of product liability.

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    2. Re:Brilliant move by js7a · · Score: 2, Funny
      $250K is rather cheap considering how much bad PR they got recently due to the attacks

      "Cheap" is right, or an understatement.

      Any decent reward these days should be at least [placing pinky to corner of mouth] one million dollars.

  20. People need to be better informed by linuxci · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem is not many people look further than Microsoft products because they know no better, and the mainstream press doesn't do much to help this. Microsoft throwning money into the pot to catch criminals is unlikely to solve the problem, in the UK there's a lot of schemes that offer rewards for finding criminals, but although they often catch people, it doesn't seem to deter people. I mean we can't tell people in the UK that they can install new Windows and doors in their house and not bother to lock them, and installing an MS OS (and to be fair many Linux distributions) without doing a 'lock down' is just as stupid, but most people don't know how to go about securing their PC.

    We know that other products aren't perfect but variety in software does do something to reduce the dramatic effect of these worms.

    So the more people we can educate about alternatives to Microsoft products such as Mozilla Firebird, Thunderbird and Seamonkey (the app suite) will help to restore some balance and will hopefully reduce the number of email viruses. Commercial alternatives such as Opera should also be mentioned because although I think the interface is awful, other people like it and choice is good. Many home users just use thier computers for web browsing and simple documents, so Mozilla + OpenOffice would do all they need.

    Then on the desktop you have various options as well as Windows, although unfortunately for most people they may be depending on it for certain applications. MacOS X is ok, but would require buying new hardware if you currently have an ix86 PC.

  21. Poor victimised Microsoft by amorsen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People have been starting to see Microsoft as a vendor of poorly-written, insecure software. What this offer makes people see is that Microsoft is just the victim of evil criminals. And you can never blame the victim for the crime...

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  22. Turn yourself in? by shish · · Score: 3, Funny

    1) Claim to be the virus writer
    2) Get $250k
    3) Bail yourself out of jail

    Wow! Profit at stage #2 and no ???! This *has* to be a good plan!

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  23. Spammers by tehanu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Given that the Sorbig virus has been linked to spammers, finding the person who wrote the virus might be a blow against spammers as well. Any trial will be well publicised and having the public connection of spammers==virus writers==evil hackers (yes I know the proper term is crackers, but this is public opinion I'm talking about here)==terrorists could be a big blow against the reputation of spamming so that it is no longer seen as just an annoyance but something potentially dangerous. This probably won't bother the spammers so much but it might help get legitimate companies who hire them give the whole email marketing process a second thought, especially if any connections come up during a trial. "Trial: Virus used to advertise for Company X." "Virus writers hack computers to advertise for X" does not sound good for Company X on the front page. At the very least it might make them more careful about who they hire and who the people they hire outsource to (as I'm sure there will be so much outsourcing something known as "plausible deniablity" will be used).

    And a connection in the public consciousness between spammers and hackers who write viruses might give a bit of impetus to the government for harsher anti-spam laws. I mean look at anti-hacking laws vs anti-spam laws. Which one has more teeth and are tougher?

  24. O. J. Simpson by HisMother · · Score: 5, Funny

    This reminds me of O.J.'s promise not to rest until he personally found the real killers.

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  25. 250,000? by varjag · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do they want them dead, or alive?

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  26. New senario ... by Zemran · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In a country such as Laos, people earn about $75 a month... or $900 a year... if they work from 15 until 65 they will earn $45,000 in their life forgetting the fact that they are extremely unlikely to have work all the time.

    So it now becomes a career move to write a virus, get your own brother (or someone you trust) to hand you in and collect the money. You do your time in relative comfort and your whole family is rich (comparatively)...

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  27. No, worms = bad by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This idea is about as retarded as saying that:

    - throwing stones through people's windows is good. It encourages them to buy bullet-proof glasses before a real thief breaks through that window.

    - lockpicking into someone's house and spray-painting their walls is good. It encourages them to buy better locks, giving a real thief less opportunity to steal stuff.

    - poisoning the neighbour's dog is good. It encourages him to get a dog which won't wag its tail when a (potential) thief throws him a piece of meat.

    - keying random people's cars is good. It encourages them to park those cars in proper park houses, where presumably a real thief would have a harder time getting away with their car.

    And so on, and so forth. I'm sure you get the idea by now.

    Basically, no, there is no proper excuse for vandalism. Neither in the proper world, nor in the IT world. And just as any judge would probably just have a laugh if someone pulled the retarded excuse "but the lock wasn't 100% secure, so it's not my fault" in a break-and-enter trial, the same should apply to breaking-and-entering someone's computer.

    And if you do go around keying cars or flooding the net with RPC exploit packets, no matter how well intentioned you are, I do hope they throw you in a nice jail cell, with two convicted anal rapists as cell-mates. Yes, that same heartfelt wish goes to whoever thought that an RPC patching worm is a good idea.

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    1. Re:No, worms = bad by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'll appreciate someone trying to crack _my_ code, and in fact at the previous workplace we actually had someone trying to do just that.

      System admins are a different issue. I'm sure many of you appreciate the job security, but I'm not sure that your _employer_ appreciates having to spend the extra money. All this worm frenzy _is_ costing the economy real money. Including the money to hire a good helping of extra network admins.

      I do not, however, appreciate someone unilaterally deciding for millions of people that everyone must dedicate time and money into securing their systems. If you really think that putting the millions of average Tom, Dick and Harry through all this nightmare is just a small price to pay in the anti-Microsoft crusade, then you have a reality check problem.

      The thing is, from the point of view of how the rest of the world works, this is the most absurd and idiotic system possible. In the rest of the world model, Tom, Dick and Harry already _know_ that the lock on their front door _can_ be picked. They _know_ that if someone really wanted to steal their car, that's very much possible too. Etc.

      But they also know that if someone actually does, the law will sooner or later catch the thief and throw them into jail. And they know that if someone broke at night into the company and had a look at the paper based financial records, they wouldn't have "but I just wanted to help them secure their system" as an excuse.

      The real world does not work by the idea that "lock vendors must produce a 100% non-lockpickable lock". It works more by the idea that the lock is a token. It helps if it can keep away the non-determined nosy neighbour or their cat, or maybe a drunk teenager, but it is _not_ supposed to be a 100% secure anti-theft device. It's main value is as a marker which says, "if we catch you beyond this line, we'll throw your criminal ass into jail." That's their real value, and that's the real deterrent.

      Just in case you were wondering why regular people can't comprehend the idea of needing to check the Microsoft update page every few minutes, and configuring sophisticated firewalls: it's because their normal lives happen in this completely other security model. The model where your main defense is the law, not having to have a 100% unbreakable titanium bunker door and a 100% non-pickable lock.

      So when they go on the Internet, they assume the same implied protection and deterrent. Not that they enter a "Wild West" kind of world, where if someone can lockpick your door and shoot your dog, then it's fair game. And hey, now that someone's so k3wl and l33t, because they had downloaded a "lockpick door and shoot dog" script.

      And maybe it's about damn time that it actually started to work like in the real world.

      Causing millions of people millions of hours worth of unneeded trouble, is _not_ some cool way of promoting security. It's just the IT version of vandals throwing stones through home windows. Only now they can throw millions of stones per second. (See the packet storms caused by RPC worms.)

      And maybe it's about damn time someone figured out a way of putting those vandals behind bars. Just so the rest of the world can spend their time and money in a better way than constantly patching, and constantly upgrading firewalls.

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  28. Re:Yeah! Shoot the messenger! by quigonn · · Score: 2

    I'm not trolling.

    When somebody would install a big red button in the middle of a highway with a sign saying "pressing this button lets explode 1000 atomic bombs" and somebody would really stop and press the button, who would you blame: the one that installed the button or the one who pressed it?

    Felix von Leitner wrote an excellent article about this general problem, unfortunately it's in German (use the fish for translations):
    http://www.fefe.de/iloveyou.html

    It's about the ILOVEYOU virus, but generally the same kind of problem.

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  29. Why People Bash Microsoft by whig · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Slightly off-topic, but related to what you said, this is part of a recent journal entry I made.

    I don't think most people who bash Microsoft really know, cognitively, why they do it. But there is a social dynamic in effect that causes people to resent, and therefore attack, what they cannot quite understand.

    Most people imagine that the United States is a democracy. Others will correct them and say, no, it is a republic. Both of these are really a statement of expectation, not actual fact.

    The US is in truth a plutocracy. Firstly, the freedom of the press is only truly open to those who can afford to publish. The emergence of mass media in the 20th century further centralized the primary means of communication in a small number of corporate hands. That person or corporation with the most power, in economic terms, can "speak" with the greatest volume.

    The Internet has lowered the barrier to communication, and is the leading edge of the revolution (see, it's not being televised, is it?) in terms of giving a greater and increasing voice to those with the greatest persuasiveness, rather than those with the most financial means to promote their message. What will hopefully emerge from this process is a totally new form of government, a meritocracy. In my opinion, music will be the greatest power. Some might suggest pornography will rule. Much of what goes for popular music today (given current media) is some combination of the two.

    In the meantime, and returning to the subject of this journal entry, the company with the greatest financial clout in the world right now is Microsoft. Moreover, the company is controlled in large part by a single man, William Gates III. What he says Microsoft will publish, they will publish. When he wants to back a candidate for office, he can ensure that candidate will have the full power of the press behind him.

    I am not trying to say that Gates is a bad man, only that he is a man who controls the largest share of the liquid assets which confer power. There are many other wealthy individuals and families, some of whom probably resent Gates. His power is counterbalanced by the old money still very capable of exercising their power.

    If my thesis is right, and this is a plutocratic system, then Gates is nominally the king, with no hereditary right of succession as such, unless he can prolong his wealth into the next generation.

    Thus the GNU project, and associated free software and open source projects, originally aimed at AT&T, has become a loaded gun pointed at the king himself.

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    1. Re:Why People Bash Microsoft by TopShelf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That is one the silliest things I've read in a looooong time.

      1) Freedom of the press is only truly open to those who can afford to publish? Uh, hello, communication channels are more wide open today then they have ever been, thanks to blogs, email, newsgroups, P2P, desktop publishing, etc. Of course big corporations have more options available to them, but that is (and has always been) the case just about everywhere in the world.

      2) "What will hopefully emerge from this process is a totally new form of government, a meritocracy. In my opinion, music will be the greatest power." Have you taken your meds today, or are we looking at 50 Cent as the new Director of Homeland Security?

      3) "the company with the greatest financial clout in the world right now is Microsoft." A software company, no matter how large, hardly wields "financial clout" like a GE, which spans the globe and gobbles up companies in a variety of industries by the handful, or a huge bank like Citigroup, which brokers deals and provides the financing that makes business projects possible. Microsoft is a giant in the software business, but in terms of the overall business picture, they aren't the biggest kid on the block by far.

      4) Gates can direct the "full power of the press" to back candidates of his choosing? While Microsoft has a partnership with NBC, I doubt that he spends his time telling Katie & Matt which candidates to pump up.

      5) "If my thesis is right, and this is a plutocratic system, then Gates is nominally the king, with no hereditary right of succession as such, unless he can prolong his wealth into the next generation. Well, your "thesis" is dead wrong from the start, and is certainly finished off by the fact that Gates plans to give all his fortune away.

      There are plenty of reasons to bash or admire Microsoft, but paranoid fantasies are another thing entirely...

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    2. Re:Why People Bash Microsoft by tres · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or Occam's Razor might say that people dislike Microsoft because Microsoft has been responsible for countless hours of frustration and time wasted due to bad products and no readily available alternative.

      It's like buying a lemon from the only car dealer in town that you can afford to buy from. You despise the dealership and the salesman who sold you the car. You despise the owner of the dealership for tricking you.

      It's not about how much money the owner has, but how he got the money. People associate Bill Gates with the crap that Microsoft has made billions selling. He's painted his own portrait in their minds--not the media.

      Part of the problem, I believe, is the hype that Microsoft raises with new product releases. They generate artificial demand by hyping products that are supposed to solve your problems. Most of the time, the problems aren't solved, and even in the cases where they are, the problems are generally shifted to something else.

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  30. Clever by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By offering a bounty on their heads, they only serve to increase the status of worm and virus authors. What was once the loserdom of the script kiddie community is now glamorous.

    Now consider what this means to their "secure computing" initiative, how the frustrations from dealing with this shit can make people more accepting of their draconian security measures. Consider the financial benefits of "digital rights management" that they can only realize after the hardware and software is locked down.

    You can imagine the conversation that lead to this, like something out of "24" or the Bush administration: Lets allow, no, lets *encourage* a virus 911 so they'll let us lead them to safety!

  31. Good idea by mseeger · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Hi,

    while i'm no big fan of M$ as most here, i think this is a good idea. Especially the Sobig virus author is becoming a menace. So making him watch his back, may set back the release date for Sobig.G.

    Please be aware that the Sobig viruses were written with a comercial interest. Putting a bounty on their arrest something worth considering and in line with all ethical codes i know.

    As the Sobig author pobably has his roots in the SPAM community and they would sell their next-of-kin for half price their, i guess the chances are quite good.

    Regards, Martin

    P.S. Putting 250 K$ (better M$) into R&D for more security would be good thing too.

  32. Civilisation in politics by Vintermann · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Most people imagine that the United States is a democracy. Others will correct them and say, no, it is a republic."

    Yeah, I know these kinds of people, and it's usually someone who has their main political experience from playing "Civilisation".

    (Although it seems the US doesn't get as many unhappy faces for going to war as other nations ...)

    To have democracy is to be ruled by the people. When a nation is a republic it just means there's no king/queen/tsar/other hereditary figurehead or ruler.

    Nepal is not a republic and doesn't have democracy.*
    Great Britain and Denmark are democracies but not republics.
    China is a republic but hardly a democracy.
    USA, France and Germany are all democratic republics.

    For instance.

    * Actually I don't know how much is left of their royal family, there was some massacre I think.

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  33. Look in California by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 2, Funny

    In particular, Microsoft would like to locate and permanently detain the individual responsible for the treacherous malware program called "Linux." This highly dangerous program causes Windows to not be present at all on any infected computer! Since, as Steve Ballmer keeps telling us, every time you fail to buy a Microsoft program, God kills a kitten ... Microsoft is offering a large bounty to find the author of this "Linux" program.

    God Bless Mom, Apple Pie, and John Ashcroft! Preseve the American way of life! Find and destroy the evil virus writers!

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  34. Smoke and Mirrors - Windows not ready for Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If that were even remotely true then Apache would be swimming in remote exploits, which it is not. Not only that, Microsoft's products just aren't designed for security, even by the admission of their own executives. In fact, Windows is insecure by design. Microsoft has worked hard to earn the shoddy reputation it has among technology experts and is focusing all the more on marketing efforts. But face it, Windows is not ready for the Internet and is not likely to be. Even Joe Sixpack is starting to figure that out.

    This bounty is just a PR game to distract from anti-trust, patent violations, anti-competitive fines, security fines. Microsoft's executives and other investors have had enough time now to dump their stock. Game over.

  35. We Need to Stop Equating All Conspiracy Theories by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mind you, some conspiracy theorists also claim that the world is ruled by alien lizards, so I think it's fair to take what they say with a pinch of salt.

    Yes, but they aren't the same conspiracy theorists. :-)

    On a serious note, folks on slashdot (and indeed, people in general) tend to equate all types of conspiracies (and conspiracy theories) and lump them together...somehow equating Enron with the X-Files, at least until Enron is exposed publicly (then, for some reason, people are able to grasp the difference). This is a real problem, because it means that people will live in denial of real-world conspiracies that are taking place (e.g. Monsanto's conspiracy to dump toxic waste into the rural groundwater of the deep American south in the 1990s, or the current SCO conspiracy to defraud their investors and steal the copyright of thousands of software developers around the world) by dismissing them in their minds as no more likely than alien invasion, UFOs in storage at area 51, or silent black helicopters hovering overhead.

    We do know conspiracies exist, therefor, it logically follows that some conspiracy theories are likely to be not out in left field, but rather quite correct.

    We know as a matter of historical record that the Nazis conspired to stage a "terrorist" act against the Reichstag as a prelude to a coup d'tate, however, listening to the "conspiracy theorists" of the time would have been like listening to a conspiracy theorist today claiming that 9/11 was staged by Baby Bush (it obviously wasn't ... but it has certainly been exploited in analogous ways by the FBI and the secret service to grab unprecidented power in the United States).

    Microsoft has a history of conspiring to do dishonest and disingenuous things that directly (and illegally) harm and coerce their customers and their competitors, indeed, they have been convicted of doing so on numerous occasions (the DOJ anti-trust trial and subsequent sell-out being only the latest example). A conspiracy theorist pointing out a economic or tactical political advantage Microsoft might gain through ill-behavior toward its customers is not out in left field ... their theory, while quite possibly false, is certainly worthy of consideration, particularly given the amount of historical fact that illuminates similiar behavior by Microsoft in the past.

    So IMHO it is a mistake (and disingenuous) to equate actions by Microsoft and the copyright cartels that directly threaten our digital freedoms, and the conspiracies that do in fact drive these agendas (even if said conspiracies have the most banal of motivations: greed for cold, hard cash), with tin-foil hats, ghosts, and UFO sightings, as is so often done by the apologists of such groups.

    Expressing concern about corporate or government malfeasance (conspired or not) isn't even remotely analogous to X-Files-like nonsense, and it is time we stopped allowing sceptics to use dishonest means (equating suspicion of the Reichstag burning ^H^H^H Microsoft's exploitation of their woeful security record to political advantage, with suspicion of Alien Lizard ruling the earth) to denigrate those who do express such concerns.

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  36. Microsoft will never pay. Informers will be jailed by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2, Troll


    My guess is that Microsoft will never pay anything to anyone. Once Microsoft finds the name of a person who wrote the virus, that person's name will be given to the police. Microsoft can claim they got the information somewhere else. "Oh yes, you were the 110th person who reported the virus writer." To use your example, Microsoft won't pay, and the family in Laos will be powerless to compel payment.

    It seems likely that whoever admits he or she had knowledge of the creation of a virus will be arrested and jailed. That person certainly won't get any money.

    Another guess is that the bounty is an idea from a P.R. person associated with Microsoft, someone who knows nothing about technical things. He probably said, "We can shift the blame from Microsoft to the virus writers by offering money. We'll get a lot of free publicity." Instead, the bounty will encourage people to write more viruses. Virus writers will say, "Wow, fame! I wonder if I can write a $1,000,000 virus."

    The bounty will cause a lot of news stories to be written. Those stories will correctly identify the viruses mentioned as Microsoft vulnerability viruses. That will cause much more than $250,000 worth of damage to Microsoft to Microsoft's reputation. (If that is possible.)

    What the story doesn't mention is that it shouldn't be necessary to offer a bounty. The real story is why doesn't the United States' FBI federal police investigate the crime? The bounty provides publicity for the fact that virus writers aren't caught unless it is very, very easy to catch them. Look at this story: FBI arrests MSBlast worm suspect | CNET. Here is a quote about a teenager they caught:

    "Parson also admitted that he renamed the original 'MSBlast.exe' executable 'teekids.exe' after his online name 'teekid.'"

    In the story, law enforcement is quoted as saying, "We believe he is a key and significant player..." Here's another quote about catching the teenager who simply renamed the files after his own name: "I wouldn't characterize the work as being easy, ... "

    If anyone from Microsoft reads this, I suggest that whoever promoted the idea of a bounty be fired.

  37. I'm the one by hummassa · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wrote the MsBlaster and the entire SoBig series! I'll plead guilty! who will split the bounty fifty-fifty with me?

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  38. I'm looking for a virus writer... by clickety6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...who is willing to spend a few years out of circulation for $125,000...!

    Contact me on 555-EASYCASH.

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  39. Anal fantatsis again! by DataCannibal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    (sigh) Here we go again. You weenies really seem to get a hard on about anal rape. Everytime someone mentions crime and/or punishment someone's sure to make some remark like the crap above.

    Is it because your not getting enough yourself?

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  40. Who caused the damage? by nolife · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is the writer the responsible party or is the person who deploys the virus?

    What if I make a spreading virus that works with a known flaw in a MS product. I post this virus and code to say Bugtraq, IRC, or here on /. How can I be prosecuted? I wrote some code but did not use it or set it free on a network. You could take this to extremes on either side. What if I give code examples? What if I only documented HOW to write code to exploit an existing hole? What if I only describe the hole? I can make a machine gun and provide you with plans for a machine gun but unless I use it to kill people, I did nothing wrong. Seems to me that the prosecutors and MS are trying to hang someone as an example but that is a very fine line. Is there a law that clearly states that you can not knowingly write code that may cause millions of computers to crash? I know this is a touchy subject but I view this software as free speech.

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    1. Re:Who caused the damage? by warkda+rrior · · Score: 2

      Bugtraq and vuln-dev are meant for posting exploit code. A virus goes beyond that, it has mechanisms to infect, spread, possibly a payload that does damage. So I would say that you are guilty if you go beyond writing an exploit.

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  41. Learning from rocketry prize awards at last? by Baldrson · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Perhaps M$ has figured out that paying for results is a good policy -- unlike the policy followed by NASA, DoE, etc.

    Now, if Gates would only get a clue...

  42. I hope by Digital+Dharma · · Score: 2, Funny

    They freeze the bastards in carbonite

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  43. Linford of Spamhaus.org says he knows who did it by Chatmag · · Score: 3, Informative

    Steve Linford of Spamhaus seems to think he knows who is behind the Fizzer/Sobig/Mimail attacks, and will be releasing the information in the near future.

    In the article, he leads one to believe that Fizzer is still active in the wild. As a member of IRC Unity, the group founded to eradicate Fizzer, I have not seen a report of Fizzer in months.

    If Steve Linford actually knows, he needs to contact Microsoft. The money would help him pay for the losses incurred by the DDoS attacks against Spamhaus.

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  44. No, I'm New Here by New+Here · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, I'm New Here

  45. Re:Ignorant Ignorant Ignorant! by ceejayoz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Script kiddies are probably more likely to be running Windows themselves, 'though. They'll crack what they have access to themselves, instead of something utterly like Linux.

    Someone who trained to use a grenade launcher is going to use a grenade launcher when available, even if pistols are more prevalent. :-p

  46. Just like the car business... by ColoradoSkier · · Score: 2, Interesting

    and the theory of acceptable risk. If a recall on 100,000 cars will cost more than he deaths of 4 or 5 people, they will take the deaths over the recall. Same deal here. Cheaper to offer a bounty than fix the core problems in the software...

  47. Microsoft is doing something at least... by gone.fishing · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Gee, I knew what most of these posts were going to say before I even read them. Most of them say that this is just a marketing ploy by Microsoft to deflect criticism, that Microsoft's poorly written code is what is really the cause, and Microsoft this and Microsoft that and oh, by the way Linux rules.

    Let's put all of that aside for a minute. I'm not going to be pro-Microsoft or Pro-anything here. I am going to be Anti-virus writer though.

    Cyber-crime be it scams, viruses, trojans, worms, password/identity theft, carding or whatever affects all of us personally. It does because it casts things like the internet, ecommerce, and technology in a poor light. It causes "big money" to think twice before they invest in technology, it causes things like e-voting to come more slowly to the forefront and, it forces companies to take sometimes extreme security measures.

    In a sense, the 'net hasn't matured yet. It can be compared to the Wild West where crooks didn't have to run very far or hide very long or even worry very much about getting caught. I have no doubt that over time we will see the net change and cyber-criminals and other scumbags will have more to fear. But right now, a wanted poster with a reward is appropriate. It is what Wells-Fargo did to catch outlaws way back when and it will work as well today.

  48. +5 Insightful? Try -1 blatantly wrong! by kylef · · Score: 5, Informative
    It is also that Windows runs a ton of stupid, random crap in kernel space. Like Windows Media Player. Like Internet Explorer. Like Outlook. Like a ton of office stuff.

    This is one of the most blatantly false statements I have seen get modded up to +4 or +5 in a long, long time.

    Windows Media Player, Internet Explorer, and Outlook do NOT run in kernel mode whatsoever. They may talk to kernel-mode drivers like 95% of all user-mode software does (read from a file, talk to the network), but they absolutely do not run in kernel-mode!

    C'mon, people. If you want to bash MS, you can do better than make up ridiculous statements like that.

  49. Where's the supervirus? by Dirtside · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've been wondering for a while why we haven't seen any really nasty virus epidemics -- I'm not talking massive DDOS, or spamfloods. I'm talking, a virus that infects a few million hosts over the course of a day or two, and then at a predetermined time, starts formatting the hard drive.

    Given how fast some recent viruses seem to have spread, it certainly seems feasible. So why do these viruses always have fairly innocuous payloads? It would seem a relatively simple thing to write a virus like this -- not to mention release it anonymously and never tell anyone about it. Is it just that the people capable of doing this are all ethical enough not to? Or that the ones who aren't ethical enough, are dumb enough to get caught? Or that nobody, I mean nobody would want to see the havoc wrought by such a virus?

    Why haven't we seen a virus like this yet? Is it because such a virus isn't possible, or just because no one's bothered yet?

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  50. Business Plan... by RoloDMonkey · · Score: 2, Funny
    1. Write virus.
    2. Wait for Microsoft to declare bounty on my head.
    3. Turn myself in.
    4. Profit!
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  51. Dead or Alive? by CactusCritter · · Score: 2, Funny

    Nobody has yet indicated whether the award is good whether the virus writer is alive or dead.

    A clearer statement is in order.

  52. Bounty on Microsoft security holes by brre · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I was going to offer a 25 cent bounty on Microsoft security holes, but then I realized I can't afford it.

    Seriously, the PR design here is quite good: shift the blame. By putting a bounty on the bad guys, Microsoft frames the issue as the bad guys are the problem, and gets the heat off Microsoft's absymal security. I congratulate Microsoft's PR talent here. Very slick.