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Breaking the Gigapixel Barrier

megas writes "Max Lyons has just posted on his site what seems to be the first 1 Gigapixel picture, created from 196 separate photographs taken with a 6 megapixel digital camera, and then stitched together into one seamless composite. According to Max, he has 'been unable to find any record of a higher resolution photographic (i.e. non-scientific) digital image that has been created without resizing a smaller, lower resolution image or using an interpolated image.'"

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  1. My god... by MrEd · · Score: 5, Funny
    Linking a 1 GIGAPIXEL photo to Slashdot? bwwwwwaahahahahahahahahah!


    If I ran his site I'd either trim the star attraction down to a thumbnail-formerly-known-as-gigapixel shot or redirect all Slashdot referrals to goatse...

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    1. Re:My god... by Oen_Seneg · · Score: 5, Funny

      Goatse in Gigapixel is something I really don't want to see. Normal Goatse is bad enough.

    2. Re:My god... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The 1gig image isn't there. It's a much smaller, more web friendly preview. The 1gig image is a 2GB TIFF file.

      We should at least buy a few poster prints from the guy considering what we are about to do to his server.

    3. Re:My god... by interiot · · Score: 4, Funny

      You'd be able to see enough detail to give him a colonoscopy just from the image.

    4. Re:My god... by mskfisher · · Score: 2, Informative

      It does seem slow, so here's a mirror of all the stuff I was able to get:

      http://www.mskf.org/mirrors/gigapixel/gigapixel.ht m

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    5. Re:My god... by IthnkImParanoid · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just browse at -1 until you see the ascii goatse. That'll give you an idea of the horror without having to see the actual pink bits.

      FWIW, goatse is only the fourth or fifth worst image I've ever seen.

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    6. Re:My god... by damiam · · Score: 2, Informative

      A guy stretching his asshole really, really wide.

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  2. Wow! by krbvroc1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    That picture is amazing. I asked the photographer to email me a copy of the original but I haven't been able to access my mail server for hours. ;)

  3. Re:Where is it? by r_glen · · Score: 2

    Correction: where's the .torrent?

  4. new low by 3ryon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Max Lyons has just posted on his site what it seems to be the first 1 Gigapixel picture, created from 196 separate photographs taken with a 6 megapixel digital camera, and then stitched together into one seamless composite.

    And thus became the first person to ever be slashdotted by only one visitor.

  5. Next stage ... by jonbryce · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is to print each one of them on a separate sheet of paper, and tape them together?

    1. Re:Next stage ... by retinaburn · · Score: 5, Funny
      I am printing it out on my dot-matrix printer.

      somewhere the photographer screams in pain

    2. Re:Next stage ... by addaon · · Score: 5, Funny

      somewhere the pointillists giggle to themselves.

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    3. Re:Next stage ... by cryptor3 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Then after that, we need to convert it to ASCII art. That'll be a doozy.

    4. Re:Next stage ... by swb · · Score: 4, Funny

      nmap for open LPR ports. I'm sure there are some out there.

    5. Re:Next stage ... by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Is to print each one of them on a separate sheet of paper, and tape them together?"

      Oh my.. that's like $300 worth of ink.

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    6. Re:Next stage ... by zyridium · · Score: 2, Funny

      The key here is to work out what ASCII resolution we need to make a perfect image, bugger the pixels :)

  6. Finally, the long, sad wait is over: by burgburgburg · · Score: 5, Funny

    The nation can rest, confident that we were the first to break the dreaded Gigapixel barrier. God speed, Max Lyon.

  7. Why by ad0gg · · Score: 5, Funny
    Why couldn't have been porn?!?!?!

    sigh

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    1. Re:Why by vondo · · Score: 4, Informative
      Because he needed a static (13 minute stability) image.

      Ok, you were joking, but there is a serious answer.

    2. Re:Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I guess you have slept with my wife yet

    3. Re:Why by IvyMike · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because at that resolution, you would see her mitochondria.

    4. Re:Why by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Funny

      What, and you think mitochondria ain't sexy?

      You haven't seen the mitochondria I have. Woo Woo!

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    5. Re:Why by MR.Gates · · Score: 5, Funny

      Mayby not, but the rest of the neighborhood has. ;-P

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    6. Re:Why by philci52 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or her crabs!

      Sorry, couldn't resist.

  8. Relatively static? by SpaceRook · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The guy said he needed a subject that was relatively static. But shadows on a canyon wall are not static. He says it took him 13 minutes. I wonder if there was any noticeable movement in the shadows in that time?

    1. Re:Relatively static? by Dutchmaan · · Score: 2, Funny

      The guy said he needed a subject that was relatively static. But shadows on a canyon wall are not static. He says it took him 13 minutes. I wonder if there was any noticeable movement in the shadows in that time?

      I wonder if thats where the term relatively comes in?

    2. Re:Relatively static? by bobbozzo · · Score: 5, Informative
      The guy said he needed a subject that was relatively static. But shadows on a canyon wall are not static. He says it took him 13 minutes. I wonder if there was any noticeable movement in the shadows in that time?

      The sun moves (about) 180degrees/12hours = 15degrees/hour or about 3 degrees in 12 minutes.

      If taken when the angle of the shadows is relatively low (like high noon), I doubt it would be noticeable.
      However, it looks like it was taken near sunset or sunrise, in which case the change in length of the shadows would be much more dramatic.

      The math is explained here but you'd need to know the height of the canyons plus the angle of the sun or the length of the shadows to get an exact result.

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  9. ouch.. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    A gigapixel "Where's Waldo" would drive thousands insane.

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    1. Re:ouch.. by morcheeba · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We had a 150 megapixel image (greyscale, in 1999 or so) that had been taken by an F15 equiped with a survailiance pod. The plane flew many passes over this little section of town and the images had been stitched together. I printed it out at 11x17 (my inkjet couldn't physically capture all the detail even at that level - it was more like 1 bit per pixel) and we'd play "I spy"

      There must have been 100 homes or more in there... you could see all the trees and cars pretty clearly. One car had a sunshade in the front, another had its door open. Some vehicles were trucks, and one had some old tires in the back. One guy's house was really messy, and there was an area where they parked construction equipment.

      The most interesting part of the picture was the pool at the apartment complex.. there were lots of empty chairs, but someone in a bikini was lying in one face-up, unaware that the F15 flying way overhead was taking her picture.

  10. Pff easy by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

    I use a billion monkeys, each looking at one particular bit of a scenery, then I tell them to line up and take turn at the keyboard, to type what they saw in emacs (the favorite monkey editor, it requires a lot of dexterity), and compile a very large XPM file.

    So what? this guy just figured out a way not to deal with a billion bananas and hundreds of tons of chimp shit. Big deal ...

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  11. another large image by Harald+Paulsen · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It's worth to mention the WTC ground zero photo. It doesn't look to be stitched together, and it's a whopping 9372x9372, or 87 megapixels.

    (using freecache to not toast my own webserver)

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    1. Re:another large image by PurpleFloyd · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, it's not stiched, but it's not digital either. That looks like a scanned medium-format (negative size about 6x6 cm) film image. Needless to say, medium-format film can provide lots of resolution - you could probably blow up a good medium-format photo onto a wall and get great detail. The theroretical maximum of medium-format is roughly the same as the image in the article, full size - roughly 1 billion pixels of data (zoom in any farther, and you're looking at film grain, not the recorded image). The interesting thing about the linked article is showing how it's possible to take pictures with incredible resolution, without breaking the bank on a medium-format camera, good lenses, and your own darkroom. All it takes is a good digicam and a willingness to spend hours and hours in PanoramaTools and Photoshop, getting things just right.

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    2. Re:another large image by OverlordQ · · Score: 2, Informative

      You mean something like this??

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  12. text in case of slashdotting by Darthnice · · Score: 2, Informative

    Breaking the Gigapixel Barrier
    (Last Updated: November 28, 2003)

    Introduction. This page contains what I believe to be one of the highest resolution, most detailed stitched digital images ever created. It is the view from Bryce Point in Bryce Canyon National Park in Utah. It consists of 196 separate photographs taken with a 6 megapixel digital camera, and then stitched together into one seamless composite. The final image is 40,784 x 26,800 pixels in size, and contains about 1.09 billion pixels...a little more than one gigapixel. I have been unable to find any record of a higher resolution photographic (i.e. non-scientific) digital image that has been created without resizing a smaller, lower resolution image or using an interpolated image.

    Resized version of 1.09 gigapixel image after stitching

    How was it created? The first step in the creation of the image was to choose an appropriate subject. There are a number of technical issues that I had to consider that are not normally encountered when taking single images. For example, it took me 13 minutes simply to take all the photographs, and I was shooting as fast as my camera could write images to its memory card. So, I needed a subject that was relatively static. Secondly, I knew that I would have to use a very long focal length lens to take the image, otherwise the final composite would end up with an extremely wide field of view...something I didn't want. This also presented challenges due to the extremely short depth of field when using very long lenses.

    The second step was to assemble the images. This was a complex and lengthy process. My normal procedure (using PTAssembler, Panorama Tools and Photoshop) was not sufficient in this case for a number of reasons because of the size and number of images I was working with. For example, the version of Photoshop that I use cannot work with images with pixel dimensions of more than 30,000. So, my solution was to modify some of the existing programs in my workflow, and write a number of new software programs to create this image.

    196 component images before stitching

    Technical Details. Here are some facts and figures about this image:

    * Final image dimensions: 40,784 x 26,800 pixels
    * Number of pixels in final image: 1,093,011,200 (1.09 gigapixel)
    * Final image file format: RGB Tiff using deflate compression
    * Final image file size: 2,068,654,055 bytes
    * Number of source images: 196
    * Number of pixels in source images: 1,233,125,376 (196 images * 3072*2048)
    * Lens focal length: 280mm (equivalent to 450mm on a 35mm camera)
    * Aperture: F9. Shutter speed: 1/400
    * Number of control points in PTAssembler project: 779
    * Number of seams that were manually blended after stitching: 364
    * Horizontal field of view of final image: 63 degrees
    * Time required to capture component images: 13 minutes
    * Time required to set control points: 2 hours
    * Time required to optimize project: 2 days
    * Time required to stitch project: 4 days
    * Time required to blend seams / correct misalignments / finalize image: 3 days

    How much detail does it contain? Much, much more than would be captured by any conventional digital camera...even those that cost more than a new car. For example, the Canon 1Ds (about $8,000) captures 11 megapixels, while the BetterLight Super 10K-2 scanning back (camera not included!) captures 140 megapixels, but costs about $25,000. I also believe that a gigapixel image surpasses what even die-hard admirers of large format photography argue is possible with large format cameras. For more thoughts on this subject, you might also want to read this essay.

    Here's another way to think about it. Given that the resolving power of the human eye (under ideal conditions at the center of the retina) is about 1 arcminute (1/60th of one degree), this image captures considerably more detail than I (or any other normal sighted human) was able to see w

  13. Now.. by hatefulmofo · · Score: 2, Funny

    To make a monitor large enough to use that picture as it's background.

  14. Yar by mix_master_mike · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's relatively nifty. I wish s/he would have put up a little more on the actual process for stitching so many images together. I can't imagine the amount of RAM (well, I can) necessary...

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    1. Re:Yar by Rhys · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What amount of ram? Like the amount you'd need to add together 196 numbers?

      Aligning the images will probably happen in pairs... Once you have all the offsets computed between each image and it's anchor image (say anchor is to the left, and for the leftmost column it's to the top), then you can just fly through all the images reading a row (or two) at a time and spitting out the result.

      You'll have to load all the images to do the alignment, and it may work better if you used a wider alignment (image plus all 8 around it), but still that's only 9 images loaded at once, followed by the next 9 images.

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    2. Re:Yar by Speare · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, if you wait a few days for the site to calm down, you can READ his site to get a LOT of information about his processes.

      • Use a tripod and a pano head to rotate the camera around the nodal point.
      • Take 196 images that overlap slightly in grid formation.
      • Use a GUI to assign several control points for each pair of images: image[N]@x1,y1 == image[M]@x2,y2 (He uses his own GUI called PTAssembler for Windows. Others exist, and Hugin works on Linux and Windows.)
      • Use an engine to optimize the distortions, and to render the distorted images onto a final image. (He uses Helmut Dersch's panotools, as does PTGui and Hugin and other front-ends.)
      • He had additional challenges due to 2GB address limits in Windows (and most 32bit Linux builds would have similar challenges).
      • He had additional challenges due to apps breaking with images bigger than 16bit signed coordinate space (and a few Linux tools break on this too).
        • The free-as-in-beer panotools libraries itself is closed-source, and not supported anymore. IPIX(tm) apparently was one of several companies chasing Helmut for patent issues, the resolution of which I am not sure. New work is being done today to open the process up with Open Source equivalents. Otherwise, it's the top tool since it can stitch images taken from any orientation into several projections into several image formats with high quality.

          I use (and help develop) the Hugin tool for my front-end; I've done a few 25 MP images, but nothing so large or as diverse as Max Lyons' works.

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  15. 8x10 Gigapixel Digital View Camera? by mikeophile · · Score: 4, Funny
    The 196 frames in that composite are pretty close to the the actual size of the CMOS sensor in the "35mm" digital cameras. If you had a big wad of cash burning a hole in your tailored pants, you could mount those sensors onto the backplane of an 8x10 view camera.

    I don't think even a Carl Zeiss lens can actually resolve a billion pixels, but it's worth a shot. Isn't it?

    1. Re:8x10 Gigapixel Digital View Camera? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, the diffraction-limited resolving power of an f/2 lens is roughly 850 lines/mm, so assuming you had a perfectly well-made lens, that should be able to resolve:

      850 lines/mm * 25.4 mm/inch * 8 inch = 172.7k

      850 lines/mm * 25.4 mm/inch * 10 inch = 215.9k

      That means 37 Gigapixels!

      If we're willing to cut Carl some slack and assume he can only get say 150 lines/mm out of his lens (*much* more realistic), that still gives you 1.2 gigapixels

      so yeah no problem!

  16. This would be the new camera standard by nizo · · Score: 4, Funny

    At least it would, if Seagate/Maxtor/WD/Samsung could get their way.

  17. Re:First or first amature image? by letxa2000 · · Score: 2, Funny
    I have a map of the world that's actual size. In the corner it says "1 mile = 1 mile." Last summer I folded it.

  18. Wouldn't it have been a bummer if by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Funny

    after all that patient work, stitching and blending and doing everything manually for days, he realized he had left the lens cap on ?

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  19. Re:Not an image by gilesjuk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The resulting stitched image is a 1 gigapixel image.

    You'll be waiting 20 years before you see a 1 gigapixel camera.

  20. Re:Kazaa? .torrent? by Carnildo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Quoth: Final image file size: 2,068,654,055 bytes

    How big would that be as a JPEG?

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  21. Re:Not an image by randyest · · Score: 3, Flamebait

    Well, golly. sbeast702 doesn't think it's a gigapixel image, and he's so clever that he (and only he) knows the subtle ways in which using photoshop magically transforms an image with one billion pixels into something else besides a gigapixel image. Oh, how I wish I could understand such esoteric things. Ah to be the sbeast702 . . .

    But wait, what's that?! sbeast702, in his haste to get a FP, failed to read any of the article at all. For had he, he would have noted the author's lament that he could not use photoshop at all because his version limits the canvas to 30k pixels in any dimension, which is far too small for this image with 1 billion pixels which, somehow, is not a gigapixel image because sbeast702 says so.

    STFU karma whore.

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  22. Winning through semantics by Valdrax · · Score: 2, Flamebait

    Heck, what about the image of the Earth without any clouds taken over months at a time and stitched together? How big is that sucker?

    The trick is the caveat of a non-scientific image. Pfft. Big freaking deal. All he did was make a mosaic of existing photo images. Why don't I hammer together all of my digital manga collection and call it the first 10 Gigapixel scanner image?

    This is nothing. I work regularly with scientific datasets larger than this. I just recently had to fix a memory leak bug exposed by a customer who was trying to mosaic together 6 GB of satellite imagery together in the product I work with.

    This is a total non-accomplishment, especially if the software he was using was already tested and working with >2 GB output. Call us back when a single sensor does this.

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    1. Re:Winning through semantics by snookerdoodle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uh, dude. I can't afford a satellite. Or commercial stitching software.

      Regular, off-the-shelf camera and lense (which itself is gonna have distortion). Free (as in beer at least) stitching software (i.e.: not a "product").

      This is *not* "nothing", IMHO.

      The camera he used is comparable to the $1000 Digital Rebel with a slight telephoto.

      Mark

    2. Re:Winning through semantics by Valdrax · · Score: 2

      Ah, fair enough. After all, he did roll his own tools to do it. That's a little more impressive than I first gave him credit for. I do know exactly how much effort it takes to properly design an editing package to deal with extremely large datasets.

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  23. I have a dialup line ... by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... and can't download such a huge picture. Could someone condense it down a bit and send me a copy?

  24. How do you print it? by aardwolf204 · · Score: 3, Informative
    How Do You Print It? Another good question. The short answer to this is that there appear to be a number of alternatives, but none that I've discovered that I'm completely happy with. So, I'm still thinking about it! However, I'm interested in hearing from anyone who would like to partner with me on printing this image. I think it would be an excellent match for (and an excellent demonstration of) large format printing technology. If you have an idea or a proposal, please let me know (e-mail me).

    Thats an interesting question. At 1.09 megapixels he says that it would be 11 feet long at 300ppi. The only thing I've ever experimented with was a panarama with my 2.1 megapixel camera where I stiched in photoshop and printed on 11 8.5x11 sheets of paper from a color leser printer and taped together after cutting off the margins. It didnt look all that great considering the resolution, but from a far its nice. too bad you cant get a 11'x1' frame.

    What are your ideas on how to print this thing. No, i dont think a plotter would do it.
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    1. Re:How do you print it? by addaon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Any decent frame store should do an 11'x1' frame without difficulty; should be a one-hour or while-you-wait thing. Also, it's still very easy to get banner paper, which most inkjet and dye sub printers are fine with; I don't know if your color laser will like it, though. Still going to be mediocre quality, but cool for the price.

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    2. Re:How do you print it? by JSmooth · · Score: 4, Funny

      These guyscan help ya:

      They got a 10' foot thermal for only $275,000. I'd snap it up.

    3. Re:How do you print it? by xpccx · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I downloaded an archival quality (200Meg) image of a map from the Library of Congress that I wanted printed. Since the Library of Congress charges $200-$300 to print the maps I called the local Kinko's, or maybe it was Sir Speedy. Anyway, I asked them how large of a print they could do and the guy told me the largest he had done was something like 20+ ft by 20+ ft. They printed the map on thick, almost vinyl, paper and it came out to something like 4ft by 3ft. Not only did it look amazing, but it cost me less than $50.

      I'd bet any decent frame shop could frame a very large image. I'd guess they'd charge you several hundred dollars for the custom frame though.

  25. Re:Now what is that? by AtOMiCNebula · · Score: 4, Informative

    yeah. He says on the website that you'll have to save it as a file, and open it through something else. MSPaint (please, no flaming) worked fine for me except for the right-most part of the image.

  26. This is not the first gigapixel image by Performer+Guy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Images like this are common in GIS applications, often orthorectified product stitched into a seamless continuous image map of massive areas of terrain, these images are vast, far in excess of a gigapixel.

    http://airphotousa.com/

    Some even generate even larger contiguous image sets at multiple resolutions from these data sources:

    http://www.earthviewer.com/

    1. Re:This is not the first gigapixel image by spiritu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      He specifically mentions scientific purposes - I'm sure he had orthophotos, other aerial photography, and satellite images in mind when he mentioned "scientific purposes".

      This, on the other hand, was for photographic purposes.

      He sure would have saved himself some work had he just gotten his hands on a copy of ERDAS, though. And that compressed JPG would look a hell of a lot better as a MrSID image. But I digress.

      I still think it's clever. Maybe not groundbreaking or earthshattering, but clever, and neat.

  27. Re:Not an image by cev · · Score: 3, Informative


    This guy need a little education about interpolation. Due to multiplexed color elements, a 6-megapixel camera is only generating a color image which is at best about half as large (i.e. 3 megapixels). The picture you get out is 6 megapixels due to interpolation.

    CV

  28. That seems like an awful lot of work.... by raehl · · Score: 4, Funny

    Stitching all of those pictures together.

    The submitter obviously doesn't work at a University, where they'd drastically simplify the process. Instead of just using one camera to construct the image, they'd buy 196 digital cameras, make a cluster out of them, maintain a staff of undergraduate students to keep the cluster working, and then complain about their picture-scheduling software losing shots. But once they got the cluster in the right location to take the picture, it would only take them a few minutes to take and process the picture, a huge performance increase over the days required using one camera.

  29. but we cannot rest! by cheezus · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Commies are pumping billions into Terrapixel research. There can not be a terrapixel gap!

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    1. Re:but we cannot rest! by BhAaD · · Score: 3, Funny

      He should take a 1000 of those Gegapixel pictures and make a Terapixel picture. Now there's something amazing!

  30. Hehe by planetoid · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ansel Adams just got friggin' OWNED!

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  31. Huge bandwidth bills aren't funny... by Speare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, it's kinda sad-- Max doesn't post any of his originals anywhere, because the bandwidth would eat him alive. His site has hundreds of panoramic stitch images, at much-reduced size to let you browse the collection for free. But now he's facing a slashdotting. If you're a fan of his art, I suggest you wait a week, find a photo you really enjoy, and BUY A PRINT from him.

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    1. Re:Huge bandwidth bills aren't funny... by krbvroc1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What I don't understand is the voting system on his website. It looks like you can vote for each photo on a scale of 1 to 10. However, many of the photos (of say Washington, DC) score only 3,4, or 5. Who are grading these things?

    2. Re:Huge bandwidth bills aren't funny... by BdosError · · Score: 4, Funny
      Who are grading these things?

      My guess would be The Public(tm).

      I know what Americans out there are thinking: democracy is scary. Well don't worry, it is at first, but you'll get used to it with practice.

      Now, if only I could auto-mod myself as Flamebait.

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    3. Re:Huge bandwidth bills aren't funny... by Tongo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      OT, but democracy is scary, which is why our ( the USA) founders created a Republic. They knew that the majority isn't always right, in fact, it could be wrong quite regularly. This is why we elect officials we trust (hehe yea right) to govern for us.

      Simplistic example, run a K-12 classroom as a pure Democracy.

    4. Re:Huge bandwidth bills aren't funny... by fejikso · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's what bittorrent is for, isn't it?

    5. Re:Huge bandwidth bills aren't funny... by squaretorus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you enjoy this stuff have a look at the master of large format photography, Andreas Gursky. Gursky, for me, adds the 'art' to the photography that Mr GigaPixel somehow misses. Im impressed as hell by the scale and detail of Gigapixels work, but theres something just ... better about Gursky.

      If you hear of any of his work near you go and see it - viewing on screen doesnt do it justice.

      If I had any advice for MrGigaPixel (as I hope he will now be named) it would be to find the printing mix which best displays his work, and to ONLY release as exceptionally high quality art prints - not cheap posters. It might be easier to make a buck with posters, but its possible to earn a mint with print. (as my old art teacher used to say)

  32. Re:Image strip has errors by slcdb · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ah. Right. The image must have errors because Mozilla said so. Mozilla couldn't possibly have any bugs :P

    Try IE. It works.

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  33. I Dunno, people by fsbilly · · Score: 2, Funny

    Call me crazy, but it looks like 72dpi to me.

  34. Re:Not an image by joggle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why shouldn't you consider it a "true picture"? Many astronomical and other scientific (sonar, radar, etc.) images are formed in this way (such as the popular Horsehead Nebula image taken by the Hubble telescope). Also, many very high detailed photos use some sort of mechanical process to take seperate images and later do some processing to combine them. If done correctly, there is no difference in quality between this method and an instantaneous one (at least for quasi-static scenes). Using a mechanical measure to determine what is or isn't a "true picture" seems rather arbitrary and silly to me.

  35. Been there, done that. by MrBlic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is a bit of a plug, but it's on topic. I put together an image serving website that could handle images up to about 70 "Gigipixels" We were using images from a microscope. http://www.neuroinformatica.com/

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  36. Linux image stitching tools by mfago · · Score: 3, Informative

    PanoTools: the only (?) image stitching tool available for Linux. Looks pretty powerful, although not as automated as some.

    I believe that the author of the article used the Windows version (among other things).

    1. Re:Linux image stitching tools by Speare · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The image Max Lyons is discussing was (in part) assembled using the panotools back-end. Max also wrote the PTAssembler front-end which helps to set up the alignments and other features. It's still a HELL of a manual job. For Linux, see the Hugin project which is an Open Source tool now in fully-functional beta.

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  37. Large-format cameras by Odds · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The author mentions large-format cameras. Here is a link to a lowcost large-format camera project, built by cannibalizing a 1200dpi scanner to make a 122 megapixel camera.

  38. Re:Hmm by dputzter82 · · Score: 2, Funny

    That would just plain suck. Part of what makes porn great is that it usually comes in low quality format and your mind can sorta fill in the fuzzy gaps. With that kind of resolution, the models would go from amazing sex machines to some crazy, jaw clinching people whome you could count moles and hair stubble under the armpits on.

    Really, the biggest benifit of working is IT is access to all the free software *cough*

  39. Nasa Offers one... by Johnathon_Dough · · Score: 2, Interesting
    NASA's Earth Observatory site allows you to sign up to download via FTP a true color image of the earth taken from a mosaic of satelite images, it is billed as 1km resoltuoion.

    I signed up and downloaded the files (300 MB each, as TIF with LZW Compression, Eastern and Western Hemisphere). I stitched the two together (photoshop 8 only) and created a file that had pixel dimensions of 43,200 x 21,600 (2.6 GB uncompressed). And each pixel is equivalent to about 1/2 mile. Not enough for any true detail at high magnification, but fun to scroll around on.

    This translates to a file 12' by 6' at 300 dpi, overkill to say the least. But we printed it out at 4' by 8' here at work and used it as decoration for a blank wall. An incredibly impressive piece of art.

    A small (600x600 pixel) cut of California at 100 percent

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  40. Re:Hmm by emilng · · Score: 2, Funny

    "your mind can sorta fill in the fuzzy gaps"

    LOL. This is all the comment it needs.

  41. Mirror by mskfisher · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Site seems slow, here's a mirror of the first page:

    http://www.mskf.org/mirrors/gigapixel/gigapixel.ht m

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  42. How many pixels are enough? by GCP · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Which makes me wonder how many pixels would be necessary to reach a point where no additional sharpness could be obtained by additional pixels.

    The definition in this case is completely filling my field of view (wrap around screen or retinal scanner), allowing me to move my eyes without redrawing, so every point would have to be as sharp as my full center of view (foveal) vision, but without allowing me to move my head (either changing its angle or moving closer to the image).

    I can imagine many uses for an even higher resolution image that would allow you to zoom in on interesting spots, but I'm curious about how many pixels the full view scenario above would require. If we just had that, then we could refresh the screen in response to head movements (I wouldn't want to do it for eye movements) and cover pretty much everything, I would think.

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    1. Re:How many pixels are enough? by michaeltoe · · Score: 2, Funny

      depends on the relative scale. Sooner or later photons would become larger than the individual receptor... but that's why they invented electron microscopes.

    2. Re:How many pixels are enough? by RhettLivingston · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I can't remember the precise numbers but can approximate fairly easily as long as we change the rules so that I don't have to know what portion of a sphere you can view at full resolution without changing the angle of your head. When browsing photog newsgroups in the past, I found that the generally accepted resolution beyond which a photo to be viewed at a little less than arms length (like holding it in your hand) would not be improved is 170 pixels / inch or 28,900 pixels / sq inch. That is approximately This was based on calculations utilizing the minimum arc that the human eye can distinguish. I just pulled out a tape measure and see that the distance from the approximate center of my head to my hand while holding a picture at a comfortable viewing distance is about 24 inches. The surface area of a sphere with 24" radius is 4*pi*24^2 or 7238 sq inches. At 28,900 pixels / sq inch, that would be 209,168,200 pixels. So, assuming that you must stay at the center of the sphere but that you can look in any direction, this gigapixel photo contains far more resolution than is actually required to meet your specified goals.

      More interesting to me would be the answer to a question like, what storage capacity per day is required to capture a full motion, with depth information for every pixel, 360d spherical recording of every moment of ones life with sound, some zoom capacity (I've utilized 35X in my photog experience and would like to see that), and reasonable ability to freeze frame motion of the speeds encountered in everyday life and extract nicely focused still images from that. When someone can either carry storage capacity like that in a pocket sized computer or when the future WIFI equivalent can send that much bandwidth to a home server, our lives will be drastically changed. Roughly calculating this out it comes to about 87 Petabytes / day uncompressed. Compression technology might drop that to 1 PB/day. Should happen about 39 years from now so I'll likely see the day. What a future.

    3. Re:How many pixels are enough? by Quixadhal · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, many years of it should compress nicely:

      Day 7781, 8am:
      Sitting at desk, white cubical walls surround three sides, monitor in front with 1024x768 changing pixels. Fingers on keyboard move. Mouse moves every so often. Coffee level drops.

      Day 7781, 1pm:
      Sitting at desk, white cubical walls surround three sides, monitor in front with 1024x768 changing pixels. Fingers on keyboard move. Mouse moves every so often. Water level drops.

      Oh yeah, if you want to add sound recording:

      "God damn windows!"
      "Bite me Bill Gates!"
      "You want me to code WHAT?"
      "Grrrr, why isn't cut-and-paste consistant in X?"
      "*mumble* site must be slashdotted again"

  43. Yes you are by Charcharodon · · Score: 2, Informative
    No its a real 1Gpixel image, it's just not a 1Gpixel image that was taken in one shot. The gigapixel rating is just simply the horizontal x verticle. Of course mind you it would be pretty cool to be able to take a 1Gpixel photo as you could do some wicked digital zooming with a photo that large or make a print for say the side of a rather large building that still retains alot of it's detail up close.

    If you want to have some fun open up Adobe photoshop and make yourself a blank gigapixel photo it to give you a sense of scale of what this guy has done. The one I did to get up to a gig was 112 inches tall by 140 inches long at 150 dpi. Brings new meaning to 8x10 don't you think? When I tried to save it as a JPEG (level 12 compression) the white (blank) picture came in at a whopping 23mb (His picture was around 2gb).

    Software interpolated or no you have to be at least a little impressed with what he has done.

  44. You forgot... by Charcharodon · · Score: 4, Funny
    ...Kingston, Crucial, Lexar, Sandisk...

    "Wow look at my brand new gigapixel camera!"

    "How many picture can you get on your $600 4gb compact flash card?"

    "Hmmm on the lowest setting?"

    "Yeah"

    "Two"

  45. Scanbacks by onnellinen · · Score: 2, Informative
    As far as I understand this camera can create 1,8 GP images, no stiching needed.

    There are other scanbacks for MF cameras that also have very high resolutions. Naturally they can be used only on relatively static targets.

  46. Sorry, GP has been broken for some time by cetan · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.kigamo.com/scanback/dmc.html

    Camera back for the 4x5 large format camera has been beyond 1GP for quite some time. Look ma, no stitching!

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