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Science & Industry 0.97b Half-Life Mod Release

An anonymous reader writes "Science & Industry, a teamplay mod for Half-Life, has been updated. S&I is one of the oldest Half-Life mods: it was there at the first Valve mod expo back in 1999, but it hadn't been updated since 2001! A new version is finally being released today. Science and Industry is a mod in which players assume the role of Security Officers in one of two rival corporations striving for domination in the cutthroat world of chemical and weapons research and development. Learn more about the mod on its website. This new version works for both WON and Steam versions of Half-Life. For a full list of changes, either check the Science & Industry website, or this detailed forum thread."

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  1. Uh... by Kynde · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is my first time complaining about a post relevancy, but ...

    A half life mod release a front page news? Please.

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    1. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe the slashdot guys DO have lives on Christmas...

      Nah.

    2. Re:Uh... by IanA · · Score: 1

      let alone 0.97beta release...

      unfortunately most posts questioning the relevancy of a specified story will get marked down

    3. Re:Uh... by crypt1c · · Score: 1

      i have to agree with you here, what bs

    4. Re:Uh... by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Funny
      'Actually, what made it news was that this was the first update in over two years. Yesterday, everyone believed this mod was dead. Today, it's not. "

      I see, so this is really just a well placed PR move by 3D Realms to keep us from doubting the inevitable release of Duke Nukem Forever. Very clever indeed!

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  2. Re:Meh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    At best, there were 4 to 6 servers online at any given time, with no more then 2 or 3 players on each

    Meh, I like the small servers (as long as their is always people playing. That way I'm able to build a tight knit of friends.

    Thats why I like cube, for more of the social than the gameplay

    Just my two cents

  3. Also.... by xintegerx · · Score: 2, Informative

    ANother HL mod, SvenOps 3.0, was released today. It is a multiplayer teamplay mod.

    Finally, Natural Selection HL mod 3.0 is also due today or this week.

    That's three HL mods for the holidays!

    1. Re:Also.... by 77Punker · · Score: 1

      Don't forget Battlefield mods! Homefront was released today, and the new Desert Combat was released not too long ago as well. Also, another patch with significant content upgrades to the BF core game is set to come out soon.

  4. Oh My God. by OrthodonticJake · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is pretty cool, considering that I was a die-hard fan of the mod. I don't know what was so charming about it... it might have been the sound that played when you hit a scientist. It might even have been the community; nobody every played it and so all the Blueyonder servers had the same people on all the time. If you've never played it, download it now. I wonder/hope they will be porting this to Half-Life 2 when it comes out!

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    1. Re:Oh My God. by JPriest · · Score: 1
      "Half-Life 2 when it comes out"

      When is that anyway?

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    2. Re:Oh My God. by JPriest · · Score: 2, Informative


      Answers own question: April 2004

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    3. Re:Oh My God. by Archwyrm · · Score: 1

      September 31st 2003

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  5. Science and Industry, another good mod by BrookHarty · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I perfer SI over Sven co-op, but lately I'be been playing some Natural Selection halflife mod. NS really is a blast if you have some good teammates and a commander who builds correctly and in order.

    I think thats what makes SI and NS so much fun, the build aspect. Not just a FPS, but you have to work and build better weapons. You dont get the "AWP" frenzy like CS, as some servers even ban the AWP for that reason.

    For a few years, people said "wouldn't it be cool if people could play C&C in FPS mode?". Then C&C Renegade came out, but it didn't really have the build out like C&C/Red Alert.

    Also, is it HL Mod day, nice :)

  6. Re:Meh! by BrianGa · · Score: 1

    The same community can be easily built on a large server, especially one that keeps stats. Drippy's is an example for TFC, check it out at http://www.lunaticrage.com/drippy/

  7. In their IRC Channel... by ONU+CS+Geek · · Score: 2, Funny

    Christ, we're hosted off PHL. We're not gonna be bloody slashdotted.

    Sure, like we've never heard *that* before.

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    1. Re:In their IRC Channel... by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      So far, so good. Seriously, there's no reason why a properly designed site that's meant to take heavy traffic shouldn't be able to cope with being linked to from slashdot's front page.

      After all, slashdot can handle the traffic.

    2. Re:In their IRC Channel... by Fryth · · Score: 1

      True, but 99% of websites aren't properly designed :)

    3. Re:In their IRC Channel... by ONU+CS+Geek · · Score: 1

      I feel bad, but Slashcode stripped my attribution.

      It's one of the mod's in their IRC Channel that posted this.

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    4. Re:In their IRC Channel... by Archwyrm · · Score: 1

      Those are easy to spot. They all say: "Best viewed with Internet Explorer 6."

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    5. Re:In their IRC Channel... by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      As a programmer at a web agency, I see that as a *good* thing; lots of people needing new websites... ;-)

  8. Game trailer by LagDemon · · Score: 3, Informative
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    1. Re:Game trailer by LagDemon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Stupid me, forgot to say get the install here (full install) or here (update only) or here There are other links here

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  9. Play the mod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It's better, more fun, and more complete than Counter-Strike.

    Counter-Strike, btw, was a Half-Life mod and is currently the most popular FPS by far being played. There are twice the number of players of any other FPS despite its age.

    Totally relevant, and front page material.

    1. Re:Play the mod by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 1

      Good, put on the front page...

      ... of Gamespy or IGN or something like that. If I wanted to read about games I'd go to one of those sites. Besides, I don't think Gamespy or IGN would report on, for example, quantum computing.

    2. Re:Play the mod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you don't want to read about games, uncheck the games category in your preferences. That way you won't see any gaming articles!

    3. Re:Play the mod by paragon_au · · Score: 1

      I want to know about games, but I don't care when a mod for half-life goes from .96 to .97 I do care when doom3 finally gets released, or if the half-life 2 source code is stolen etc. Unchecking games doesn't help me, I totally agree with the orignal post, I don't see why this is "front page" news.

  10. Re:Meh! by frostbane · · Score: 1

    I don't know why someone modded this guy down. Everything he said about the mod is true. Now, don't take me wrong I enjoy it, but once one team takes an advantage, with all the scis and most of the tech already researched, it is all over. You don't even have to play the rest of the map. When one team has all the armor, health and regen upgrades plus a full team of scis continuously putting out new weapons there is no chance for the other team to win. Especially since all the winning team has to do is protect the scis.

    SI was never a huge mod, it had a small community with a couple of servers with only a couple of regulars, but it was nice. You got to know the other people playing and most of the time your teammates would actually know how to play the game well (ie focus on upgrades before weapons). Hopefully this new update brings forth a new group of SI players...

  11. linux? by Janek+Kozicki · · Score: 1

    sorry about lame question... I never played half-life (I'm still playing quake2 ;)

    does half-life work under linux? If so, then where can I download some demo/shareware half-life version for linux?

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    1. Re:linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      no native linux client, older versions (before steam) worked without a problem with wine, and it seems that even with steam it can be done, see

      http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/ar ti cle.php?articleid=17

      for info about howto setup wine with steam

    2. Re:linux? by Brushfireb · · Score: 1

      I think it will run using WineX. Actually, I am sure of it, I did it 8 months ago. It didnt run very well.

      I do not believe there is a linux native version.

      As for demo/shareware, there are some very crippled, old demos, but they probably will NOT work with linux (at least not well), and are probably not capable of playing any mods.

      So, the answer to your questions, in order are: "Yes, but not native" and "You dont want any demo version on linux".

      Hope this helps, Brushfireb

    3. Re:linux? by 77Punker · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can run the original with WINE (not wineX) just fine, but the anti-cheat will say you're cheating. I don't know if Steam (the new frontend thingy) will work or not. Just play single player or join servers that aren't running anti-cheat and you're set. Linux Games has a hosted site or something on the toolbar to the left that has detailed intructions that are updated fairly regularly for playing Half-Life with WINE.

    4. Re:linux? by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      This has to be the most ridiculous thing I've heard on Slashdot in ages, which is saying something. The fact that he wants to get an idea of what the game is like before he pays for it is stupid? Christ, they better recall those Call of Duty and Deus Ex 2 demos for Windows too then! Blasted freeloaders!

    5. Re:linux? by absurdhero · · Score: 1

      I have run it just fine in wine and winex. Each of them has a separate set of minor bugs, but it functions well with both. You must have opengl compiled in and have your graphics card set up right in linux first or you will be running in a horrible software mode with a lowish framerate.

    6. Re:linux? by Krunch · · Score: 1

      I think the site you are referencing to is this one.

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    7. Re:linux? by mcbridematt · · Score: 1

      AFAIK along with the hl2 leak, I thought that the Half Life src was released for modders?

    8. Re:linux? by JPriest · · Score: 1

      I never said the idea of try before you buy is stupid. I though the comment was pretty self explanatory. But, I was implying that there is no market for commercial Linux games. This is partly because most of the Linux user-base does not like to pay money for software. I was just pointing out the irony in his post that he wanted to know if there was a Linux port and then looking to get a free version of it in the very next sentence. You can also note that he mentions Quake 2, which is also free. BTW does Slack3r mean you are using Slackware? Funny you are not using one of the commercial Linux distros, SuSE, or the purchased versions of RH or MDK, but a FREE version of Linux. I am willing to bet that neither you or the guy I replied to bought any of the applications or the distro you are currently using. Either I am psychic or Linux users are predictably cheap.

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    9. Re:linux? by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps that was the point you were trying to make, but the logic you use to make it is pretty flawed. He asks for a free evaluation version of a piece of software he has no experience with - how's that unreasonable? Further, the Quake 2 engine is freely available, but the models, textures, sounds, ie: everything else needed to make it a game are only avaailable if you buy the software. As for myself, no I don't use Slackware. My distro of choice for about 3 months has been Gentoo, but before that I generally used MDK. And if I makes you feel any better, I own boxed sets of every version of MDK from 6.5 through 9.0. You're not psychic - just good at making poor generalizations.

  12. Re:Science and Industry, another good mod by interiot · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Natural Selection owns.

    But yes, it's less of a one-player-dominates-all game... On the alien side (where resources are evenly distributed across all players and each must decide which structures they think would best help either them personally or the team as a whole), since resources are spread evenly, and resources are key to getting good upgrades and thereby winning the game, it's not enough that one player spend his resources wisely... the team only wins if the team's average skill is higher than the other team's. (this seems to be true for the marines as well, but it's not obvious to me why, as only one player on the marine team makes decisions regarding resources)

    On the other hand, this shifts the the game quite a bit. Instead of becoming the best individual player you can, the key to ensuring victory is to remember which players on a particular server are better, and to join the team at the begining that contains the higher average skill.

  13. Testament to a well done game? by Zro+Point+Two · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think that since mods for this game are still being updated/released, it's a good way of telling Valve that the gaming community likes what they've done.

    In a similar way that /. uses the Quake rocket launcher for it's game post icon.

    Keep showing them what we like, and maybe one day they'll really listen and not bring out as bad a game as Dikitana.

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    1. Re:Testament to a well done game? by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 1

      I think its sad that they made such a great game. If all of these mods were based on a game that is owned by someone who believes in openness and freedom (like John Carmack of IDSoft) we'd be better off. We wouldn't have to worry about FUD being spread by calling anticheat enabled servers 'secure' vs 'insecure', we wouldn't have to worry about getting false banned for 5 years due to a software bug. we'd be able to play in the operating system of our choice, and benefit from community enhanced engines.

      Best example: Quake1.
      check out fuhquake.net and see what they've done with quake source. Far more things than I can list, but some good ones: ability to jump to arbitrary times in demo playback (no more sitting through an hour of demo to get to the frags you want), ability to load HalfLife maps and wads/textures/sounds (yes, that means playing de_dust in the counterstrike-esque TF mod, TFstrike. I'll send a movie of it if someone asks.), much better graphics, ability to save jpeg screenshots, much much more.

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  14. Hmmmm.... by CashCarSTAR · · Score: 2, Informative

    Two new (and apparently a third) new HL mod releases.

    Nice.

    DoD 1.1 should be coming soon. Now if only there was a WON version of CS I could play so I don't have to go through crappy Steam....

  15. The WON version by xQuarkDS9x · · Score: 1

    How's the WON version supposed to work? As I understand it VALVe has already shut down or will soon be shutting down the WON servers for good, therby ensuring everyone HAS to use the smelly pile of goo that is called STEAM.

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    1. Re:The WON version by 77Punker · · Score: 1

      WON still works from what I've heard. Steam works just fine for me and it only really had problems when everybody was switching and it got overloaded. They say they won't remove WON until Steam is working like it's supposed to work reliably.

  16. Re:Science and Industry, another good mod by LentoMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    First of all Sven Co-op is a co-operative mod, not a deathmatch mod. Comparing Co-op with deathmatch is not very fair.

    Secondly, there is actually a c&c map for Sven Co-op called cnc_defense which can be found here:
    ftp://ftp.waes.ac.uk/halflife/SvenCoop/Maps /New%20 Maps/

  17. Re:Science and Industry, another good mod by LentoMan · · Score: 1

    Sorry bad link ftp://ftp.waes.ac.uk/halflife/SvenCoop/Maps/New%20 Maps/

  18. Re:so whereis the Linux or Freebsd port ? by crypt1c · · Score: 1

    as soon as they saw that it ran somewhat "ok" in wine they canceled, because valve cant program their way out of a paper bag with a light, compass and a map

  19. Re:so whereis the Linux or Freebsd port ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The fact that valve did not release a linux or freebsd port and it has not affected them tells more of the linux and freebsd community then valve. I do not believe they will have any problems making a ton of scratch from hl2 when it comes out.

  20. How inappropriate by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 1

    That this article 'bout Half Life has an icon being the Rocket Launcher from Quake 3. (sigh).

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  21. BitTorrent Link by syr · · Score: 3, Informative

    GameTab has a torrent and seed for the Science and Industry mod. Enjoy!

  22. Babylon 5 game out also by AIX-Hood · · Score: 2, Informative

    Since we're talking about games on a slow news day, there's also a Babylon 5 game which a lot of people are downloading. It seems to have been done by a Russian guy who is ending the project and is putting out what he's got. Link and info are here: http://www.aixgaming.com/filerush/download.php?tar get=ifhsetup.exe

  23. Re:Science and Industry, another good mod by MrBlic · · Score: 1

    Natural Selection is done by a seriously cool group of people. Flayra (the head developer / producer) has some great philosophies on how the good of the group is the good of the individual, and some roles on the alien side are to protect the other players. It's all very wholesome in an incredibly fast paced violent way.

    Link: Natural Selection


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  24. Re:THE COLOR by efextra · · Score: 1

    totally agree!

  25. Re:Science and Industry, another good mod by placeclicker · · Score: 1

    the only real problem for marines, which seems to unbalance the game, is they require a good leader and player for the commander. This is why aliens usally win on pubs, because the comm's, just suck.

    If you play on a clan server, marines win a TON more.

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  26. Re:so whereis the Linux or Freebsd port ? by treke · · Score: 1

    I think the point is that Valve doesn't give a rats ass about the repect of the Linux community.

  27. +5 Informative by Archwyrm · · Score: 1

    Where are my mod points when I need em? =)

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  28. WON is still up.. by Archwyrm · · Score: 1

    ..for the time being. I was just playing some TFC on WON a few hours ago. Why? Because the old version still works quite nicely with wine.

    Oh, and the main difference between CS WON & Steam is a riot shield and a few tweaks. You are much better off playing TFC anyway. ;)

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  29. Re:Science and Industry, another good mod by Scorchmon · · Score: 1

    Empires mod for Battlefield 1942 is gonna be the closest to C&C in FPS mode yet. http://www.empiresmod.com

  30. Steam and WON games by Xenolith · · Score: 1
    DoD 1.1 beta is already out for Steam. The only way to play DoD 1.0 is through WON.

    You can still play CS 1.5 through WON. 1.6 is what is on Steam.

    For those that don't know, Steam is a new content distribution system developed by Valve. You will have the option of purchasing, then downloading Valve games through Steam. I am guessing the eventual goal is to bypass brick and mortar distribution and to get monthly subscription money flow (good luck guys).

    Another note, Steam has its own authoriziation protocal for logging on and playing online. This is what differentiates it from WON. I personally have 2 seperate installs of Half-life... One for Steam and One for WON.

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  31. All this for S&I? by James+Lewis · · Score: 1

    No offense, I think Half Life mods deserve attention, but S&I? Almost no one plays that mod. There are other mods much more deserving of attention that S&I. Take Natural Selection for example. That mod pushes the HL engine much further than any other mod I've played, and could really use some good press, as its numbers have been dwindling lately. If you do try out Natural Selection, just give it a few days. I found it was one of those rare games where it really isn't that fun at first, but after a few days you really get into it. The reason for this is that the learning curve is much higher than most games, and it especially takes time to learn how to be good at all the alien classes.

  32. Re:Science and Industry, another good mod by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 1

    The AWP was banned on the same servers that would not allow Terrorists to "camp" (read Guard) with hostages.

    I always considered those servers/admins/clans as not actually embracing the whole game, but had merely grasped the gist of it but never played properly. Basically, turning a strategic team combat into a team deathmatch game.

    Who else loved fy_iceworld? That was my favorite map for a kill-fest.