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Sir Mix-A-Lot Using Weed To Distribute Music

An anonymous reader writes "Hip-hop musician Sir Mix-A-Lot has made his new CD Daddy's Home available for download using Weed technology. Weed is a relatively new file sharing system based principles of shareware and referrals. You download the DRM WMA weed file and can listen to it 3 times on any computer before deciding to purchase it or not. If you do purchase it (at a price set by the artist), you will receive referral fees (20%, 10%, 5%) for the next 3 generations of people that purchase your copy. The artist always receives 50% of the price. Certainly an interesting approach to distributing music in a world of p2p and iTunes."

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  1. Weed? by e+r+i+k+0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ain't that what the RIAA uses too? ;)

    1. Re:Weed? by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Nah, they use crack as a litigation distribution system.

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    2. Re:Weed? by lxs · · Score: 1

      Just say No kids.

    3. Re:Weed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:Weed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't even think about clicking that link. It was /.'d years ago.

    5. Re:Weed? by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      Yes and no. It's what they give their artists just before presenting them their new contract.

    6. Re:Weed? by zenthax · · Score: 1

      maybe a little mixed in with the cash, which they are sending off to captiol hill. Maybe that why they are so "convincing"

    7. Re:Weed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      aaaaaaaaaaaaaa@@1 is good! i win! a prize! i win a prize yo!

    8. Re:Weed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yea, having kids is such a waste.

    9. Re:Weed? by NZN · · Score: 1

      Back in 1976, some of the founders of the Internet working within the NSF's funding challenges considered selling "ownership" of the internet to users as a method of enticing its use, of gaining fiscal support in light of dwindling NSF monies, and of allowing for true "peer-to-peer" marketing. They of course did not choose this method, Network Solutions was instead formed. But, if they had, interestingly, a few changes would have come to life, and one of those changes might have something to say about Weedshare. Consider what it would mean to commerce on the network if everyone had a digital identity that represented a marketplace that they were the owners of. Secure (Open Identity Management)trading partners across a global stage, with a built in business model. ie... What you own legally, you can sell as you wish... and the history of owners that have preceeded you, all the way back to the original source owner, can be easily databsed for any product or service commodity. If this had happened, we would not have the issue of "theft" in the world of intellectual capital as we do today on the web. Dont get me wrong, it will always be around, but it would not be sooo easy. OWNERSHIP Distribution is a big deal... in a free market, their is one thing better than "FREE"... ownership. As long as a digital signal is distributed to your home, and you are not the "owner" of it, their is a breakdown. Incentivizing owners to participate is the key. Just because the network is cool and allows for cool activities is not enough in a commercial paradigm. Renting domains that you can organize legally as privately owned commodities is still a legislative priviledge. Ownership of your digital identity/ life brings a whole new experience. Weed speaks to a good idea. On a network, owners of content and owners of consumption resources are partners. It is a 50-50 relationship. If either is slighted by the other, there is a backlash of negativity, especially in terms of fluid economic transactions. Until a system such as weed comes about and can take the issue of ownership to the next level, we will not have a positive solution for trading intellectual capital on the global digital stage. I say kudos... its a hellova long road ahead... but they picked a good theme... all weed should be circulated under such terms );p

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  2. I'm getting high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Download rates... really fast! It's great!

    1. Re:I'm getting high by flewp · · Score: 0, Redundant

      But do you like big butts? And if so, are you capable of lying?

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    2. Re:I'm getting high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We brothers won't deny it.

    3. Re:I'm getting high by Dr+Reducto · · Score: 1

      This stuff's a one hit wonder!

      (I'm surprised no one's posted that yet!)

  3. Mini Pyramid Scheme? by Brahmastra · · Score: 1

    It looks like a mini-pyramid scheme. Aren't those illegal?

    1. Re:Mini Pyramid Scheme? by Foxxz · · Score: 1

      Pyramid schemes involve no services or product. plus it has no "limit" to how many generations the money is passed.

    2. Re:Mini Pyramid Scheme? by shlomo · · Score: 1

      not if you call it a "buznez" plan :)

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    3. Re:Mini Pyramid Scheme? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're actually purchasing something of value here (if you consider sire mix-a-lot music valuable).

    4. Re:Mini Pyramid Scheme? by t0ny · · Score: 5, Funny

      Its technically not a Ponzi Scheme. Its more like the red-headed step child of an iPod and Amway.

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    5. Re:Mini Pyramid Scheme? by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

      How so? It doesn't sound like you are force to distrubute/sell the CD to make money, simply buy it. If this is illegal, then so are rebate coupons and the like.

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    6. Re:Mini Pyramid Scheme? by Neophytus · · Score: 0

      I'm red headed you insensitive clod.

    7. Re:Mini Pyramid Scheme? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not pyramid when the payout stops after a certain number of generations - in this case it looks like 3.

      In true pyramid schemes the person on the top will always make more money than the guy on the bottom. In this case there is no persistant organisation so you don't pay up to the same person each time either you can buy your next album/song from anyone. The structure just remembers the last three purchasers in order and pays referals back through that.

      Great idea in my books. Everyday we recommend to our friends things from movies, stores to products it's nice to get some kick back for effectively advertising for those companies.

    8. Re:Mini Pyramid Scheme? by smchris · · Score: 1

      In the '80s to c. '94-95, before the WWW was a household item, I had GEnie and CompuServe accounts. Albeit one of the sillier online trade names, I really liked GEnie. It seemed clear that the parent GE corporation considered it a way to sell idle computer time and didn't spend a lot on advertising. Nonetheless, they were cheaper than CompuServe and I thought the GEnie people worked hard to really deliver a good service. Combining my loyalty to GEnie with GE's $5 referral credit earned me a couple referrals.

      That was motivating. And this scheme would probably motivate me too.

    9. Re:Mini Pyramid Scheme? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel sorry for the beatings you received as a child from your step-siblings.

    10. Re:Mini Pyramid Scheme? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But are you a step-child?

    11. Re:Mini Pyramid Scheme? by Tomble · · Score: 1
      It's possible the previous posters' definitions of what would (or does) make this a pyramid scheme are actually correct, but to me, the relevant point is:

      AFAICT, every single pyramid scheme is specifically sold as a means to make money, especially lots of it. This scheme, however, seems to me to be a product you could plausibly want, that you can also make a bit of extra cash with as a bonus.

      Does this make sense? I think it does, personally.

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    12. Re:Mini Pyramid Scheme? by Doubting+Thomas · · Score: 1

      Right. This is the legalized pyramid scheme, known as Multi-Level Marketing (MLM).

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    13. Re:Mini Pyramid Scheme? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm red headed you insensitive clod.


      Yawn. Do you know a human who doesn't get bored after readin the same jokes 1200 times?

      You post crap, dude.

    14. Re:Mini Pyramid Scheme? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The things that regulators don't like about multi-level marketing are:
      1. Schemes that focus more on selling "distributorships" than on selling actual product.
      2. Requirements that new distributors buy a ton of inventory to get started (thus lining the pockets of the scheme's promoters).

      Weedshare does neither of these.

    15. Re:Mini Pyramid Scheme? by cooley · · Score: 1

      I'm bored right now, you insensitive clod.

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  4. Huh by LafinJack · · Score: 1

    Guess weed isn't that popular...

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    1. Re:Huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh man, this sould be modded as funny with a score of 5 because most anything in the comments area are.

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  5. First Big Butt Post by CptChipJew · · Score: 5, Funny

    I like DRM and I cannot lie
    You other brothers cant deny
    When a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
    And p2p in yo face
    You get sprung
    Wanna pull out ya gun
    Cuz the RIAA aint tough

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    1. Re:First Big Butt Post by weeboo0104 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't-want-none unless you got a T-1 hun!

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    2. Re:First Big Butt Post by smkndrkn · · Score: 1

      damnit where are my mod points when I need them...lol

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    3. Re:First Big Butt Post by Mod+Me+God · · Score: 1

      DRM is whack
      P2P enters
      a spring of legal downloads

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    4. Re:First Big Butt Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's awesome. Props to the man.

    5. Re:First Big Butt Post by Micro$will · · Score: 1

      BSD face with the Microsoft booty.

    6. Re:First Big Butt Post by shadowcabbit · · Score: 2, Funny

      You can copy, share, or burn it, but please don't lose my cash.

      So your girlfriend has an iPod
      leeching stuff she found on Tripod...

      (yeah, that second part should go before the parent post, but...)

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  6. Wow by GoodbyeBlueSky1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't remember the last time a slashdot title made me do a triple-take. Haha.

    Have to admit I was a little disappointed as I read on.

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    1. Re:Wow by Thing+1 · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Ha! Well, it makes perfect sense to use weed to distribute; I mean after all, that's what most musicians use to create music.

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  7. Weed technology by ZeekWatson · · Score: 5, Funny

    We had weed back in my day, but I had to *pay* for it. None of this referral paybacks. :)

    1. Re:Weed technology by wampus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Buy a quarter, break it up, sell it. Keep part for yourself. Voila, reeferal paybacks.

    2. Re:Weed technology by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 4, Funny

      What about the second hand smoke around you when you finished up your stash? You can still get your residuals.....

    3. Re: Weed technology by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Funny


      In the 60s, musicians used weed to compose their music.

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    4. Re:Weed technology by cdemon6 · · Score: 3, Funny

      In soviet russia, weed uses musicians to sell itself to YOU!

  8. People won't pay for DRM in the long run by seanadams.com · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You download the DRM WMA weed file and can listen to it 3 times on any computer before deciding to purchase
    it or not.


    Sure - it's a free tril so I won't complain about the format.

    If you do purchase it... ...then I get the song in a lossless format, complete with digitized cover art and free of any DRM, right? Because as a paying customer, I'd expect to get at least the sound quality and format versatility that the pirates are getting.

    Yes, I did RTFA - the format is no surprise. When the only option for online buying is DRM, it only encourages piracy because regardless of whether you're prepared to pay for the content, it's the only way to get the music without funny restriction.

    1. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Informative
      I recommend MagnaTune if you are into non-DRM, lossless format music. They also are starting to get digitized cover art for their music. They have non-major label music that actually doesn't suck (unlike an MP3.com or similar, submissions must be approved and they are apparently at least somewhat selective), and their service basically encourages you to explore new songs and albums, listen to high bitrate MP3 streams and then buy at a price (of your choosing - between 5 and 18 dollars I think, with 8 dollars being the "recommended" price).


      About the only thing "Weed" has going for it as a music distribution system as far as I can tell is the pyramid scheme payment system. Kinda cool that if you get friends to try and buy a new song you get rewarded with a small cut, but I'm not sure how much of a factor that would be for most casual users.

    2. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by clifyt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "If you do purchase it... ...then I get the song in a lossless format..."

      You know this arguement always pisses me off.

      What makes MP3s any less lossless than CDA. Its another format and thats it. As a musician (and more to the point, an engineer and tech for real musicians), I don't think I've recorded anything in the last 2 years where the master wasn't at 24bit 96Khz...that means any CD ya listen to is VERY lossy.

      Then again, most of the musicians I've worked with ask me to burn it down to MP3 so they can listen to it on their pods and don't care about the difference -- and neither do it...its not like I'm sitting around a listening room smoking a pipe pontificating about the clean lows and the crisp upper range of the latest f'n Sir Mix-A-Lot cd...

      I would like to see digital music come with liner notes though (cover art bores me...the liner is where its at).

    3. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by scovetta · · Score: 2, Interesting

      link
      To buy a Weed file, get the Weed software, find the file you want to buy, and click on the title. Buying lets you play the song on up to 3 computers, burn it to a CD, or copy to a portable player. You can also share the song with anybody you like.

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    4. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by seanadams.com · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What makes MP3s any less lossless than CDA.

      It's inferior sound quality.

      Its another format and thats it.

      It's a different kind of format. CD audio is not a lossy compression scheme, it's a way of storing samples. But you knew that.

      Look, it costs a couple cents to transmit a 650MB CD across the internet - half that if it's losslessly compressed. As far as I'm concerned, if I'm paying $$ for the songs, I should get them in the best possible format within accepted standards. I.e. I wouldn't expect 96KHz/24bit, but I wouldn't complain.

    5. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by larry+bagina · · Score: 1
      When the only option for online buying is DRM, it only encourages piracy because regardless of whether you're prepared to pay for the content, it's the only way to get the music without funny restriction.

      Apple has sold 30 million songs on iTMS and has a target of 100 million for next year (not counting the pepsi give away). The only restriction is that they can only be played on 3 [mac/windows] computers. Are you saying there are people that would buy music online, but use kazaa because they need to play it on 4 computers?

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    6. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by tepples · · Score: 1, Redundant

      CD audio is not a lossy compression scheme, it's a way of storing samples.

      What about collapsing to mono, downsampling to 8 kHz, and dithering to 8 bits? Would you call that another "way of storing samples"?

    7. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by tepples · · Score: 1

      They'd use KaZaA because they want to be able to carry around more than 15 songs at once (rules out burning CD-DA) but can't afford $250 for a player that holds 1000 songs at once (rules out buying an iPod brand player).

    8. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by seanadams.com · · Score: 1


      What about collapsing to mono, downsampling to 8 kHz, and dithering to 8 bits? Would you call that another "way of storing samples"?


      No, I'd call that collapsing to mono, downsampling to 8 kHz, and dithering to 8 bits. I wouldn't confuse the issue by calling it "compression," though I guess in the broadest sense of the word, that's what you're doing.

      Digitization != data compression. It's SAMPLING.

      An analog signal has infinite resolution, so of course any conversion to a digital signal is "lossy", but in a totally different sense.

    9. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by damiam · · Score: 2, Insightful
      What makes MP3s any less lossless than CDA. Its another format and thats it. As a musician (and more to the point, an engineer and tech for real musicians), I don't think I've recorded anything in the last 2 years where the master wasn't at 24bit 96Khz...that means any CD ya listen to is VERY lossy.

      Yes, CDs are lossy. However, MP3's are much more so. CDs use 16bit/44.1KHz audio, but so do MP3's (I'm aware it's possible to use other datarates, but it's very rare). When the MP3 is made from the (already lossy) CD, it discards 9/10 of the data. That's what makes MP3's lossier (is that a word?) than CDs.

      I want lossless formats for my music not for quality purposes (I can't distinguish between CD, 192kbps MP3, and 128kpbs AAC/Vorbis), but for freedom purposes. If you recieve music as a WMA (DRM'd or not), and you want to put in on an iPod, you have to transcode it to MP3. That's quality loss. If you burn it to an audio CD and then later rerip and reencode that CD (say you lost the original file), then that reencoding is a quality loss. The losses from reencoding/transcoding can be quite noticable, especially with more than one generation. A lossless original gives you the freedom to do what you want with the music you bought.

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    10. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 1

      "What makes MP3s any less lossless than CDA"

      Not the point. The question is, what makes MP3 less lossless than a DRM-encumbered format.

      The loss being, of course, your freedom.

    11. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by Nasarius · · Score: 1

      And people who should know better about audio quality piss me off. Only on Slashdot will you find musicians who so willingly embrace lossy compression in music that is being sold.

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    12. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by IntergalacticWalrus · · Score: 1

      "What makes MP3s any less lossless than CDA. Its another format and thats it. As a musician (and more to the point, an engineer and tech for real musicians), I don't think I've recorded anything in the last 2 years where the master wasn't at 24bit 96Khz...that means any CD ya listen to is VERY lossy."

      No, MP3s are "lossy" because of the compression schemes that modify the samples to drop stuff so that it will compress more. On the other hand, CDDA is not only lossless, but it's also not compressed at all. But it's not lossy, despite the fact that the master recording was of higher sampling. Think about it: if your definition of "lossy" is "less good sample rate than reality" then that implies that ANY digital recording is lossy, yes, even your 24bit 96KHz master. A non lossy format would be sampled at infinite-bits and infinite-KHz. But that's pretty much impossible, so let's not call that lossy, now shall we?

    13. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by squiggleslash · · Score: 1
      I'd consider it compression myself.

      I know this: I'd prefer a 128kbps MP3, AAC, or Vorbis file to a 128kbps PCM file. And I suspect ultimately if you start at a sample rate of higher resolution and depth than the 2x14bitx44kHz depth and resolution of a CD, there's almost certainly an MP3 or AAC bitrate that's (considerably) lower than 1.44Mbps that will be just as pleasant to listen to as the rate reduced to CD depth and resolution.

      And I think that's what's being alluded to here.

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    14. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by PyromanFO · · Score: 0, Troll

      Or use Linux for that matter

    15. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then again, most of the musicians I've worked with ask me to burn it down to MP3 so they can listen to it on their pods and don't care about the difference

      You must work with some very talented musicians. Cause let me tell you, most of the ones I run with will listen to an MP3 but cringe at the quality and certainly wouldn't want to work/listen to their own songs in that format.

    16. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by AnyNoMouse · · Score: 1

      I can't speak for the parent, but I would accept a 256k Vorbis or a 320k MP3. Of course, I'd prefer FLAC or APE. 128k MP3 is noticeably degraded to me and I personally won't pay greater than CD prices for significantly less than CD quality.

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    17. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


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    18. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by rampant+mac · · Score: 1
      "Look, it costs a couple cents to transmit a 650MB CD across the internet"

      A couple of cents, eh?

      Let's see... Say 3 cents per 650MB... times 3 million downloads... That's only, like 90 THOUSAND dollars.

      When can we expect you host these files, so I can download them free of cost, from your provider, because I don't really want to pay *anything* for YOUR bandwidth.

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    19. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fine then, lets call your 96KHz/24bit 'masters' compressed as well, as compared to the original analog, and be done with it. Happy now?

    20. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by operagost · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I know this: I'd prefer a 128kbps MP3, AAC, or Vorbis file to a 128kbps PCM file.
      Well, no shit Sherlock! PCM is not optimized for low bandwidth! The argument you're trying to make is absurd! A Top Fuel dragster would beat my Buick in the 1/4 mile by about 10 seconds, but I'd beat it in a 5 mile race because it would either overheat or run out of gas. It's optimized for a 1/4 mile dash.
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    21. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I don't think I've recorded anything in the last 2 years where the master wasn't at 24bit 96Khz...that means any CD ya listen to is VERY lossy."
      The amount of loss of information in the audio range from converting to a 24bit 96KHz master to standard cd format is not that siqnificant. In lossy compression, 90 percent of the information is thrown out and the technique is such that this information doesn't matter that much.

    22. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Try reading the whole of what I wrote rather than the first sentence.

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    23. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by Qrlx · · Score: 1

      you mean you can't encode files in Apple's AAC format or whatever it is that the iPod plays? You can only get files in that format from the iTunes store?

      mp3 sucks, we need to either settle on a better format or try to include ubiquitous support for other formats.

    24. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by Qrlx · · Score: 1

      What about collapsing to mono, downsampling to 8 kHz, and dithering to 8 bits? Would you call that another "way of storing samples"?

      I would say it's a way of storing many fewer samples (perhaps an order of magnitude fewer), yet keeping enough samples that the data is still statistically significant.

      The grandparent is I suppose incorrect in the assertion that "CD audio is not a lossy compression scheme" for indeed it is. Statistically, though, the data loss is not within the tine-frequency domain of human perception. It's a way of storing samples, enough samples to effectively recreate flawlessly the analog source.

    25. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by XiChimos · · Score: 0

      "CD audio is not a lossy compression scheme"

      You loose quality when you put it on CD, "but you knew that."

    26. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since all the responses so far completely miss the point, I will add my own opinion.

      Obviously if you're going to talk about any kind of compression, you have to start somewhere with the real data. Here the real data is is the CDA - sampled at 16bit 44KHz. These are real ones and zeroes. A lossless algorithm such as FLAC compresses the data in the traditional sense - that is represents it in less bytes, but has the same information content. A lossy algorithm like mp3 compresses the data, but reduces the information content - so you don't really have what you started with. Sure you could have a 'lossy' compression algorithm that took 16/44 CDA and resampled down to 16/22 (In reference to your 24/96 -> 16/44 comparison). Yeah it would be a pretty crummy algorithm too - and it would be lossy in the sense that you could never recover the original 16/44 data.

      You record the master at 24/96 not because the master itself sounds better at 24/96, it's because when you mix lots of tracks together, if they were all at 16/44, the errors would add up. The higher sampling is merely to reduce the numerical error you get when you work on the audio, and in the end you downsample to 16/44 before you put it on CD because 16/44 is pretty close to the limits of our ear.

      And there's a tremendous difference between a raw digital sampling of audio, say CDA, and a rather complicated compression scheme such as mp3. You probably understand what it means to digitize a waveform, but if you think CDA and mp3 are 'just two different formats' you obviously don't understand what kind of algorithm mp3 is.

      So, it's completely unwarranted of you to get 'pissed off' when people ask for a lossless compression format. It's a standard to release audio at 16/44 - so asking for more than that is pointless. Also CDA takes up a lot of bytes, and it's inconvenient to transmit uncompressed CDA over the internet and onto our portable devices where space is scarce. So we have to compress the data. We can choose 'lossless' compression where we could trivially recover the original CDA data if desired, or a 'lossy' compression where recovery of the original data would be impossible.

    27. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      I don't think I've recorded anything in the last 2 years where the master wasn't at 24bit 96Khz...that means any CD ya listen to is VERY lossy.

      I don't understand sure why an audio engineer would propagate this myth.

      The highest frequency the human ear can hear at 20-22 KHz. According to Nyquist, you would then need 40-44 KHz to digitally encode sound losslessly.

      48 KHz is certainly enough. CDs carry "lossless" sound, meaning that it is indistinguishable to the original to a human.

      Now, there's certainly a reason you record at high freqency and bitrate. This reason is not because you can hear any difference, but because more information will be retained as you mix the sound, put it through filters, and do whatever else you audio engineers do. If you wanted to use CDs for mixing and filtering audio samples, then perhaps you could say that CDs are lossy, but if you're just listening to CDs, they provide 100% authentic sound reproduction.

      If what I'm saying "pisses you off" (as you say), I suggest a course in information theory.

    28. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by damiam · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ideally, there would be a set of standard formats (Speex, Vorbis, and FLAC would be one such set) supported by all devices and used by all users. Since that's not the case, sometimes we have to encode existing material into new forms. A lossless original allows you to create a Vorbis, WMA, or AAC file of ideal quality (the best that that format can achieve at that bitrate). A lossy original means that your newly transcoded lossy file provides lower quality at a higher bitrate (or significantly lower quality at a lower bitrate) than the ideal. Therefore, lossless originals are better.

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    29. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by praxim · · Score: 1

      I hate to feed the troll here, but I think it's pretty obvious that the idea was that you'd be sent the 650MB after paying for the album, which I assume is production + 3 cents + profits.

    30. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by resistant · · Score: 1

      Look, it costs a couple cents to transmit a 650MB CD across the internet - half that if it's losslessly compressed.

      If wholesale transfer at large network operating centers (for hosting sites or running IRC or whatever on leased servers) costs US$0.50 minimum per gigabyte, then this 650MB CD will cost more than a "couple cents" to transfer on the open Internet. Given other costs, at least US$0.30 seems more like it.

      (Would like to know if this has changed recently, if you have insider knowledge of it).

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    31. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by Dylan+Zimmerman · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's only possible to have a lossy transfer, not format.

      The transfer from 24kbit/96kHz to 16kbit/44.1kHz is lossy. The transfer from analog to digital is lossy (unless you have such high resolution digital that you're measuring the motions of individual atoms). The transfer of 16kbit/44.1kHz CD Audio to 16kbit/44.1kHz MP3 is lossy. However, in theory, transfer from one MP3 to another of exactly the same bitrate is lossless as long as you do it right.

      No format is either lossy or lossless (unless the file decays each time you play it), only the transfer into the format can have loss.

      The compression can be described as lossy, meaning that it throws away some data in order to get better compression, however, the compression being lossy does not make the format lossy. The correct way to say what you seem to be trying to say would be "MP3 uses lossy compression, whereas CD Audio does not, therefore, MP3 is lossy on two levels as opposed to CDA being lossy on one".

    32. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by andfarm · · Score: 1

      Wrong; the AAC format is open, and there are some Free encoders/decoders (though Apple's encoder currently beats the free one hands-down).

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    33. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by MrBlint · · Score: 0
      I think the point is that for a given bit rate the MP3 (or other lossy compression based format) will always be superior to a PCM file at the same bit rate - assuming they are both taken from a superior quality master or from a live source.

      So if you are going to create a file for distribution from a 24bit, 96KHz master and your choice is between 1.4 Mb/s PCM or 1.4Mb/s MP3 then the MP3 would be better. Wouldn't it? In fact you could probably have a 24 bit, 96KHz MP3 instead of a crapy 16 bit, 44.1 KHz PCM file.

      Disclaimer -- I have no idea if any of this is actually correct or even feasable

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    34. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by JamieF · · Score: 2, Informative

      >you mean you can't encode files in Apple's AAC format or whatever it is that the iPod plays? You can only get files in that format from the iTunes store?

      No, and you could have found this out very easily...

      Google search for: itunes encode aac
      The first hit is http://www.apple.com/itunes/encode.html which says:
      "Unlike some applications that limit the number of songs you can import in the MP3 format, iTunes lets you import as many songs as you want in either AAC or MP3 formats."

    35. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is all well and good, but we are playing with words here.

      If you take cd audio, compress with flac, uncompress, compress with shn, uncompress, you have the same audio you started with. No degradation. (Are there any other lossless audio compression formats? - hey zip, gzip, etc will work as well even though not made for audio.)

      If you take cd audio, compress with mp3, uncompress, compress with ogg, uncompress, you do not have the same audio you started with.

      This is what people mean when they talk about lossless and lossy audio compression. I think the original poster knows this but was trying in a provocative way to make another valid point.

      Those with a bit of a clue can see both points.

      A Nony Mouse

    36. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I think it's you that's missed the point. We're not talking about encodings of CDs here, we're just talking about downloading music from the Internet. That music will have been compressed from something but it's quite reasonable to assume it's been from the original 24 bit 96kbps masters, especially if nobody has any intention of ever making a CD from it.

      From that perspective, both CD-quality PCM and MP3 are "lossy" formats. To complain that the latter is necessarily inferior to the former because if you convert a CD to an MP3 you lose quality is a common misnomer. That's what people are getting at. And the nature of the encoding is such that given a high resolution high depth enough master, you can achieve a much better quality MP3, AAC, or WMA at a lower bitrate than you can a PCM stream (your ears are sensitive to any reductions for PCM, even if they're minor, but AAC, MP3, and WMA concentrate on throwing away the parts of the audio your ear is least sensitive to.)

      Yeah, sure, they can also provide FLAC for so-called "lossless" compression, but it's only really lossless, and guaranteed to be superior to MP3/AAC/WMA, if the expanded audio is 24bit, 96kbps, stereo. Otherwise it's just an enormous waste of processing power, and a frickin' huge file.

    37. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by squiggleslash · · Score: 1
      Bingo! And of course, given a high resolution/depth master, if xkbps MP3 > xkbps PCM, it's likely that in yxkbps MP3 > xkbps PCM where y<1, y is likely to be quite a bit below 1 before the statement doesn't hold true any more.

      As an aside, as Steve Jobs has made a similar argument, I just went through my iTunes purchased music, and was fairly depressed to find I couldn't find a single example - oh sure, they might have started with higher masters, but the output was CD resolution and therefore almost certainly not superior. (I don't know about depth)

      Until that changes, it's going to be difficult to convince "audiophiles" that the various non-PCM formats can be superior to CD quality.

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    38. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by ratamacue · · Score: 1

      If you compress a WAV into FLAC, and then decompress back to WAV, it matches the original WAV file bit for bit.

      If you compress a WAV into MP3, and then decompress back to WAV, it does not match the original WAV file bit for bit.

      In other words, once you go lossy, you're stuck. You can never go back to the "first generation" copy.

      That is the simple reason why lossless is better than lossy for some applications, for example archiving (I have my entire CD collection on my hard disk in FLAC format).

    39. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by sambira · · Score: 1

      Any digitized audio is lossless. You cannot take a sample of an anolog audio stream without loosing the original audio stream. What you are talking about is a persons perception of that digital data when being played back. This is a subjective thing, not objective.

    40. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by SEK · · Score: 1

      First of all, I'm assuming you mean any digitized audio is lossy
      Actually though, it is possible to sample analog signals to digital, and then recover the analog input perfectly. This is tough (at least for me) to conceptualize, but those EE profs really seemed to believe the Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem and at some point I was convinced ;-)
      The basic idea is that if the sampling frequency is double the frequency of the analog input, then there is no loss of signal.
      I think it's the average human that can hear from 20-20KHz. So, CD's 44.1KHz sampling frequency is 2x 20KHz + a little extra.
      With my admittedly non-professional understanding level, I would suggest that more "loss" occurs during the capture of the analog signal(mics and recording equipment), than during the actual conversion from that analog signal to a 96KHz 24bit sample. And then of course, before a comparison can then be made between a live performance and a replayed digital version, there is the reproduction equipment quality to take into account (amps, speakers, etc)...

    41. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1

      9/10ths of the data, huh? It doesn't work that way.

      If you actually threw away 9/10ths of the data, you would have an MP3 that sounds like a third-generation tape recording.

      Here's a simplified example; If I record a single tone to CD, (2 minutes long, 1275 Hz, -9dB both channels) it's going to be about 85 kbits of data. But I just described the tone well enough for you to reproduce it perfectly in much less than 1kbit. What was lost?

      MP3 works partly the same way; it chooses what parts of the signal are 'important' and describes them mathematically, so although an mp3 file is 1/10th the size this does not automatically mean it contains only 1/10th of the information.

      When you downsample 24 bit 96 khz (2304kpbs) uncompressed to 16 bit 44.1khz (706kbps) uncompressed, you are throwing away 2/3 of the data. The result _IS_ that a CD contains only a third of the information that was on the studio master. That's lossy!

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    42. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1

      fuck I'm an idiot; 44.1k samples per second, 16 bits per sample, 2 channels, for two minutes would be about 1411 kbits, not 85!

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    43. Re:People won't pay for DRM in the long run by damiam · · Score: 1
      Here's a simplified example; If I record a single tone to CD, (2 minutes long, 1275 Hz, -9dB both channels) it's going to be about 85 kbits of data. But I just described the tone well enough for you to reproduce it perfectly in much less than 1kbit. What was lost?

      If I record a single tone to a 96khz/24bit medium, (2 minutes long, 1275 Hz, -9dB both channels) it's going to be x kbits of data. But I just described the tone well enough for you to reproduce it perfectly in much less than 1kbit. What was lost?

      Any digital sound is lossy. Get over it. 95% (statistic pulled from my ass, of course) of people can't tell the difference between CD-quality and DVDA-quality, even on a good system. A good deal more can identify MP3. Besides, uncompressed digital sound doesn't get more lossy with each generation, like MP3 does.

      A CDA file consists of a certain number of ones and zeros. An MP3 file uses 1/10 that number to represent roughly the same audio. A decompressed MP3 file will not be the same as the original. If you reencode MP3, you get quality loss from generation to generation. Therefore, MP3s are lossy, and by definition lower quality than the CDs from which they are made.

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  9. Maybe In Certain Circles by Oculus+Habent · · Score: 4, Insightful
    While this has potential in large groups of same-age individuals - schools, universities - I don't see this making significant headway in "the real world". I purchase most of my music, and I occasionally burn CDs for friends.

    The biggest difficulties I see it facing are:

    • Selection: If there isn't much there, people aren't as likely to use it.
    • Price: Artist-set prices could mean big variations. Hopefully it'll be consistent, but who knows.
    • Convenience: When three plays are up, how much more difficult is it to download the song on the p2p-network-du-jour?
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    1. Re:Maybe In Certain Circles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Convenience: When three plays are up, how much more difficult is it to download the song on the p2p-network-du-jour? The faq states that downloading another copy after the trial is up won't let you play it.

    2. Re:Maybe In Certain Circles by EvilSporkMan · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because your all-knowing MP3 player can tell that you've used another copy of the song before and will smite you if you get another version. Well, maybe WMP will...

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    3. Re:Maybe In Certain Circles by pianotech · · Score: 1
      "Convenience: When three plays are up, how much more difficult is it to download the song on the p2p-network-du-jour? " Not difficult at all. But if you share them the way they are meant to be shared (keeping them in Weed format, which you are encouraged to do), then you gain a financial reward if someone buys. Cheating would only cut you out of the loop...kinda like slashing your own tires. :)

      Loren's Music Portal

  10. Interesting approach by MikeXpop · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even more interesting name. I can see the advertisements now. "Weed, the legal alternative to KaZaA"

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    1. Re:Interesting approach by jpatters · · Score: 1

      I bet we'll get kids saying things like: "Dude, my parents want me to use Weed. How lame."

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  11. Bandwidth by AyeFly · · Score: 2, Funny

    Never underestimate the bandwidth of a pothead DLing weed.

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  12. Baby Got DRM by linux_user_31337 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I'm disappointed that they're distributing DRM'ed WMA files (non-Windows users will certainly be out of luck), I don't want to be too quick to dismiss this. Any distribution channel that gives the artist 50% of the sale is already better than almost anything else out there.

    Can anyone think of a better system that gives the artist this much or more of the sale?

    1. Re:Baby Got DRM by segvio · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The artist still isn't getting "50%." Whoever owns the rights to the copyright gets "50%." If you signed a record contract, it's probably your label that now owns the copyrights. Thus, of that "50%", you get whatever your contract said. A fringe-case however would be the completely independent artist, receiving all "50%."

    2. Re:Baby Got DRM by asavage · · Score: 0, Redundant
      from the site: 50% of every sale always goes to the artist or publisher who owns the song.

      The artist will only get 50% if they don't have a lable. Hopefully stuff like this will lead to the end of big record companies.

    3. Re:Baby Got DRM by harmanjd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well there is magnatune. Not a p2p system, but a nice idea. They are a recording company that sells all music online and splits the price of the sale 50/50 with the artists.

    4. Re:Baby Got DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are both posted at 6:27PM. This comment isn't redundant.

    5. Re:Baby Got DRM by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 1
      DRM gives sellers more freedom to set the particular distribution model they desire--so we shouldn't be surprised to see worthy DRM business models that simply don't work without DRM. The (non-insane) objection to DRM is not that it has no laudable uses that cannot be done otherwise, but that it puts vastly more power in the hands of the sellers of content. It's all fine and dandy when it's just this particular artist who chooses to use a DRM technology in a way that most people would agree is pretty reasonable (unless we've all been too jaded by Napster/FastTrack/etc...), but it also gives monopolsitic corporations the ability to impose much more harsh restrictions on the entire marketplace--for example, the concept of "buying a song" could be eliminated--everyone could be made to pay a fee for every play.

      It's a tough call, because there are even better uses of DRM-type technology that simply aren't possible without DRM. One popular idea is a camera that could digitally sign pictures with the time, date, and GPS location at which they were taken for legal purposes. It's not really possible with trusted hardware enforced by DRM-type technologies. This is the paradoxical nature of Power--the user actually GAINS the ability to submit legally trustworthy digital pictures as court evidence, by LOSING control of his/her own camera and the ability to Photoshop the original file. Does this mean Richard Stallman needs to study Michel Foucault--is Freedom/Power really as simple as the Free Software movement advocates?

    6. Re:Baby Got DRM by Epi-man · · Score: 1

      Happily, Sir Mix-A-Lot runs his own label, and produces his records in his home studio he set up after "Swass" made him a very rich man over a decade ago (long before "Baby Got Back," this is no one hit wonder).

  13. Sure . . . by RPI+Geek · · Score: 4, Funny

    . . . isn't the first time always free??
    In this case it's the first 3 times, but close enough ;-)

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    1. Re:Sure . . . by swb · · Score: 1

      According to "Narcotics: Pit of Despair", it's free until you get addicted.

    2. Re:Sure . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm looking foreward to the new release of Reefer Madness, with commentary by MST3K alum Mike Nelson.

  14. original hip hop ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait


    hip hop has always been based on other peoples beats and breaks , look at poof daddy ? 50 cent , all ripping off 1970's funk and soul

    and mixalot wants paying ? just to rip off other peoples music ?
    hahah funny how things go

    1. Re:original hip hop ? by Lispy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's actually an interesting point. There is a german hiphop band called "Die fantastischen Vier" wich use excessive samples from StarWars IV: "A new hope" on their first album ("Jetzt geht's ab") from 1988. If they recorded the album today they would have to pay a huge amount of money to George Lucas. It really isn't easy to determine where exactly an original work of art begins. After all we are all standing on the shoulders of giants (see also SCOs-Copyright trouble).

      Personally I feel that while things get more and more restrictive less of original ideas arise (same with TV shows, Movies, and so on...).
      Or is this just me gettnig old? ;-)

    2. Re:original hip hop ? by Daneurysm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While, and I quote, "hip hop has always been based on other peoples beats and breaks..." is mostly true, and I can mostly agree with it, when you say "all ripping off..." and "...just to rip off other peoples music" I have to staunchly disagree.

      It's one thing if you don't understand or relate to the genre, but please know where fact ends and opinion begins.

      Hip hop, and techno, and a plethora of other electronic based (also known as 'groove' based) music uses samples of other peoples works. Does that make their preferred outlet of musical creation any less valid? Are you one of those guys that thinks that unless there is a drummer, bassist, keyboards, guitar, singer, et al making the music that it somehow requires less talent to produce?

      As a (self proclaimed) music producer working in the digital realm (with limited analog experience) who has worked with live bands, hip hop, and various forms of techno acts....as well as my own band and experimental electronic productions I have found the strenghts of various forms of expression through production......not only that but the difficulty/challenges inherent to each form.

      That being said I believe it to be terribly closed-minded of anyone to think that simply because a beat or rythm was sampled that it somehow degrades the quality or talent required to produce it. Hell, the way I see it doing just that serves as an homage to the original...."I couldn't do that myself or even come close...nothing captures the feeling I'm looking for quite like that...." etc, etc, etc.

      Failing that I'd like to see you do it.

      To sum this up, it appears to be something you just don't understand. That's fine, but please make it clear when you are speaking (or typing) the difference between fact and your own opinion. To yourself, and those hearing or reading it.

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    3. Re:original hip hop ? by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But then they get very pissed when someone does the same to them.

    4. Re:original hip hop ? by ebbomega · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First of all, I wouldn't call P. Diddy (or whatever his name of the week is) or 50 cent pioneers of hip hop. And hip hop has NOT always been based on that. Sugarhill Gang was really the first to do it and they did it rather well, so much so that Rapper's Delight was a VERY different song from Good Times. And I dare you to find anybody who isn't a Run DMC afficianado realize that It's Tricky borrowed guitar lines from My Sharona.

      Hip Hop evolved off the streets with what instruments they had, namely records and their voices. So they'd write poetry, and "rap" it overtop their favourite beats. Funk was big in Black culture, as well as useful for rapping as it was a lot of bassline and not so much lyrics, in the 70s and as such was used frequently. And eventually the DJs started manipulating their turntables to do little tricks, like varying the electrical input to change pitch and using their hands to backspin and play with little samples of music, known as "scratching".

      Now, I'm not disagreeing with you that most modern hip hop is blatant plagiarism of other people's work, regardless of whether or not it's authorized. But to outright disclaim the entire genre just because of some people who achieve market prominence in the last 10 years who happen to be talentless hacks seems about as silly as to say that Punk is stupid because you dislike Sum 41. Or that Rock sucks because you dislike Linkin Park.

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    5. Re:original hip hop ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was Dr Dre ever a big sampler guy? I thought he was more into drum machines and doing his own thing?

    6. Re:original hip hop ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok Puff Daddy.

    7. Re:original hip hop ? by Potor · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sugar Hill Gang are certainly old school, but they weren't innovators. That's not to say I don't appreciate them.

  15. Where's the crack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    For the Weed DRM?

    1. Re:Where's the crack? by sofakingl · · Score: 4, Funny

      When you use weed regularly, the side effects are minimal. When laced with crack, it's addictive. It's nice to see technology imitating life. :)

    2. Re:Where's the crack? by payndz · · Score: 1

      When somebody busts the DRM, he chould retitle his one big hit 'Baby Got Crack'.

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    3. Re:Where's the crack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      record to uggggh ANALOG, oh then record to wav. oh the loss!

  16. That's Great by illuminata · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now he just has to find somebody who would actually want his music, or shall I say, jump on it, jump on it, jump on it, jump on it.

    I think his best bet to sell music would be inventing a time machine taking him back to the early 1990s.

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    1. Re:That's Great by NonSequor · · Score: 1
      I think his best bet to sell music would be inventing a time machine taking him back to the early 1990s.

      Just wait 5 minutes.
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    2. Re:That's Great by revividus · · Score: 1
      His best bet would be if he could get anyone to remember the two (or maybe more) albums he made before "Baby got back". Swass and Seminar were both cool albums. I had never heard a hip-hop song with a cowbell in it before that (cue the SNL cowbell jokes...)

      Uh, but I guess this is off-topic. Oh well.

    3. Re:That's Great by illuminata · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hmm, somebody modded this post as a troll. Albeit this post was meant to be a joke, it's also the truth.

      Sir Mix-A-Lot hasn't had a hit in years. In fact, aside from a few minor successes, he only had one major hit... in 1992. Regardless of his distribution method, he is highly unlikely to gain widespread popularity.

      Weed will need artists with much more popularity to become successful, not just a fad like Sir Mix-A-Lot.

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    4. Re:That's Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SWASS is definitely his best work! Everything on that one is good. Which, I guess, isn't really surprising as it came out [valleygirlspeak]when all those rap guys[/valleygirlspeak] were still doing their own thing and being somewhat original about it.

      [oldmanspeak]Back in my day![/oldmanspeak]

      After SWASS I think it is hit and miss - there are some good track on Seminar, and a few good track on his big (one)hit album the name of which I don't recall at the moment.

  17. Re:MLM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mmm.. AmWeed.. :D

  18. Nothing New by lawpoop · · Score: 4, Funny
    I remember back in the 70s, we used to get together with our old buddy weed and put on some tunes... Your friends would have some great album and then you'd go out and buy it.

    So weed has been making music-sharing happen for several decades, at least. Hmph. Internet.

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    1. Re:Nothing New by NineNine · · Score: 1

      I don't know what you call weed, but the last thing that I want to do is "go out and buy" anything other than some munchies after I've smoked. I can't imagine a record store. It'd blow my fucking mind.

    2. Re:Nothing New by the+gnat · · Score: 1

      I've found this to be true too, but I was really shocked the next morning that I could even remember a specific song I liked, and a few of the lyrics from it.

    3. Re:Nothing New by xilmaril · · Score: 1

      of course... this explains so much...

      (of the popular music of the 70s)

  19. MLM is not illegal by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can anybody show me something in the U.S. Code, the Code of Federal Regulations, or interstate commerce case law that makes multi-level marketing unlawful in general across the United States? For instance, AllAdvantage.com's payouts used a pyramid structure. It died not because of its MLM structure or because of any FTC action relating to its structure but merely because the bottom fell out of the banner market, which in turned happened once advertisers realized the effects of banner blindness.

    In a pyramid scheme after the style of Ponzi, on the other hand, participants get little for their investments, and they make money only when somebody else has signed up under them. Once saturation has set in, nobody signs up anymore, and the bottom rung of the pyramid gets shafted. But in this pyramid scheme, every participant at every rung receives at least a license to listen to a Sir Mix-A-Lot recording. Therefore, it's legitimate MLM and not a Ponzi scheme.

    1. Re:MLM is not illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Can anybody show me something in the U.S. Code, the Code of Federal Regulations,"

      Look out of your little country.

      It is illegal in at least Germany.

      HTH HAND

    2. Re:MLM is not illegal by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Technically, a Ponzi scheme is any scheme where you promise a bunch of people a huge return on an investment, and use later investors' money to pay off earlier investors.

      Ponzi schemes aren't always pyramidal, though the two techniques often overlap. Ponzi schemes may or may not involve an actual product, but are most definitely illegal.

      If I recall, it is possible for a MLM to have a product and still be classified as an illegal pyramid scheme. However, I don't remember the criteria.

      --

      You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!

    3. Re:MLM is not illegal by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is illegal in at least Germany.

      Would you please link to any articles describing a ban on network marketing in Germany or in any other country? A Google query turned up this page that mentions a (repealed) MLM ban in Singapore but not much more.

    4. Re:MLM is not illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Little" country?

      The state of Montana alone is bigger than the entire country of Germany.

    5. Re:MLM is not illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You suck at the Internet

    6. Re:MLM is not illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh ... like social security!

  20. yeah, but... by jeffehobbs · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...have you ever heard Sir Mix-a-lot's album... on weed?

    ~jeff
    (red team go, red team go)

    1. Re:yeah, but... by m1chael · · Score: 1, Funny

      Woah, there's a rainbow mannn, on this disc mannn! Where's the end of the rainbow, nobody knows mannn!

      --
      I know you are psychotic, but please make an effort.
  21. Pyramid scheme? by djupedal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And if the artist and friends buy and buy and buy at the beginning, they can create a false landrush that may influence others to jump in early. "Look at this! This thing is selling like crazy! Better get in now!"

    Not a good idea, me thinks...no different than time shares and generic brandingiron futures.

    1. Re:Pyramid scheme? by geekee · · Score: 1

      " And if the artist and friends buy and buy and buy at the beginning, they can create a false landrush that may influence others to jump in early. "Look at this! This thing is selling like crazy! Better get in now!" "

      That's not a pyramid scheme. A pyramid scheme is when you buy something worthless, and sell it to a bunch of people for a similar price so that you have a net gain. Sir Mix-a-lot's product is worth...well... er... ok, point taken

      --
      Vote for Pedro
    2. Re:Pyramid scheme? by Senior+Bevis · · Score: 1

      How is this different from a book or CD? Except that there is a chance that a book or CD will sell out if you don't buy soon enough.

  22. Total Recorder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I dunno. It is at time like this that I really appreciate my copy of Total Recorder. I really have nothing with High Criteria except an admiration for this nice piece of software. The price is so cool.
    Decide for yourself.

    http://www.highcriteria.com/

    Am I bad?

    1. Re:Total Recorder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Am I bad?
      not for using TR but for listening to mixalots music you will surely burn in hell

  23. Re:First Big Butt Post:NO MAKE IT STOP!!! by t0qer · · Score: 5, Funny

    My fri/sat night fun job is doorman for a SJ karaoke bar...

    I swear to god if I hear that song being sung by a group of sorority girls screaming into the mics at the top of their lungs one more time i'm going to shoot myself.

  24. weed by Tom7 · · Score: 0, Redundant



    LEGALIZE p2p

    hah

    1. Re:weed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moderators: You obviously don't get this joke - mod him up a little. It's funny.

  25. The artist does NOT get half... by skizrule · · Score: 5, Informative
    50% of every sale always goes to the artist or publisher who owns the song.

    Even with Weed, the record industry still stands a very good chance of taking half the profits, unless the song was never released on a major label.

  26. Wow, MLM p2p! What will they think of next? by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

    Those that meet their quota of referrals graduate to the amway program?

    Fuck the greedy sellout whores. They're the ones giving the RIAA its power (complete with the delusion that they are an actual law enforcement agency), and lord knows the RIAA had its chance to do right by us. They flunked. They have alot to make up for, simply doing it right isn't enough anymore, and I don't expect any kind of reparations.

    1. Re:Wow, MLM p2p! What will they think of next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, when you tell someone "fuck off" you implicitly assign the right for them to tell you "fuck you" too.

      Then it becomes a question of who has the bigger stick.

  27. "Lossless" by tepples · · Score: 1, Interesting

    then I get the song in a lossless format

    What is so "lossless" about a lossless format? An 8-bit 8 kHz PCM recording is in a "lossless format," but it's just about telephone quality. Likewise, a 16-bit 44.1 kHz stereo PCM recording (hereinafter, a "CD recording") is in a "lossless format", but it still loses ultrasonic signals and everything below -110 dBFS. In modern hypercompressed mastering techniques for pop music, a CD recording loses the punch of drums. Only a live performance is truly "lossless."

    That said, engineering practice demands only "good enough." If your ears can't tell the difference between a particular recording and any given higher fidelity recording, then you'd call it "good enough."

    it's the only way to get the music without funny restriction.

    If you're buying through iTunes or Napster music stores, what "funny restriction" is there? You can burn a purchased recording to CD as often as you want; you can even burn an entire playlist a few times before changing it. If downloads do not work with your pocket player, then why did you buy that player?

    1. Re:"Lossless" by damiam · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If downloads do not work with your pocket player, then why did you buy that player?

      Because it's a better player, and there's no reason I shouldn't be able to use the music that I bought with it.

      --
      It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
  28. Actually by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Funny

    You download the DRM WMA weed file

    No, no I don't.

    --

    You can't take the sky from me...

  29. But patents are evil. by Thinkit3 · · Score: 1

    MP3 is patented, and patents are evil, just like copyright. At least try to recommend ogg if FLAC is too big.

    --
    -Libertarian secular transhumanist
    1. Re:But patents are evil. by Dredd2Kad · · Score: 1

      Patents are important...although they are a double edged sword. They give people an incentive to innovate and promise a reward for thier innovatrion...and our quality of life can sometimes benefit from using other peoples patents. However, like anything, despite best intentions of patent laws ....there are people that will try to abuse thier right to seek out a patent give the laws and lobbyists time to catch up to the technology...you'll see an end to those ambiguos patents (hyberlinks, SCO and crap liek that) soon enough

  30. No MP3s for me... by Crazy+Man+on+Fire · · Score: 2, Informative

    As a DJ, I'd have to agree with the original poster. The quality lost by MP3s make them completely useless to me. The parts that you lose in converting music to MP3 are some of the most important ones when you're playing it through a 30.000 watt sound system.

    Of course, I haven't bought anything aside from vinyl for the past three years, so I guess I don't really care about digital anyway.

    1. Re:No MP3s for me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got a 30 watt system too. It's called a handheld radio.

    2. Re:No MP3s for me... by Joey7F · · Score: 1

      For Europosters you got to :s/./, g and vice versa...

      Confused me too when I was in Norway :)

      --Joey

    3. Re:No MP3s for me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if I were a DJ, I wouldn't be playing stuff I downloaded off kazaa anyhow.

    4. Re:No MP3s for me... by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 1

      Yeah MP3 is a shitty format, we should all know that by now.

      Sadly most of the arguments you see on this site aren't technical in nature, they are bullshit in nature.

      --
      I live in a giant bucket.
  31. to poison squirrels by fermion · · Score: 1, Funny
    The similarity between average music and average weed are interesting. Both are grown easily in the home, and can be distributed at almost no cost. The effects on the consumer largely depend on the maturity and natural tendency of the user. Neither, on it's own, is are more dangerous than other products that are traded with fewer regulations.

    Both products become expensive because of government regulations. To protect the profitability of both products, distributors employ tactics typical of criminal organizations. Both products derive their power from the fear of the people who would have a tendency to abuse it, or those that see a threat to other more acceptable means of domination.

    And finally, the real danger appears not because of the product itself, but because of the additives that must be used in the mass market to maximize and protect profit margins. The additives create unknown levels of toxicity to your body and your mind.

    Of course, manufactured weed and manufactured music are both bad for you, and I would suggest that squirrels and humans avoid their consumption.

    --
    "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
    1. Re:to poison squirrels by Zakabog · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      You seem to know very little about both...

      Both are grown easily in the home, and can be distributed at almost no cost.

      Yes, music can easily be written and played by anyone, with no prior experience, no money and no talent. It won't be good (and most likely it will be the most horrible crap you've ever heard) but hey who cares, it's just like going out and buying music, right?
      Weed is just as easy to grow and distribute, you don't need any kind of special equiptment, you can grow weed out of any plastic pot with regular dirt. You don't need any special care for it, and you don't need to worry about the smell going into your neighbors house since growing weed is perfectly legal! Wait... no it's not... Oh well at least you can grow great weed in your house! Even though if you don't really put any money into it, the weed will probably die, or be really crappy. Unless you happen to live in a place where the environment is nice enough for growing it, then you can grow it outside as long as you have no neighbors or if you live somewhere where it's legal. Distribution is just as easy and cheap as growing. You just walk around randomly and ask people if they wanna buy some weed, who cares if more than half of those people will probably want to call the cops and you might even ask an undercover cop.

      Neither, on it's own, is are more dangerous than other products that are traded with fewer regulations.

      What are you talking about? What regulations are there on selling music? There are regulations on copying music online and stuff like that but there are regulations on any copyrighted material that can be distributed online. There's regulations on selling and buying marijuana but there are regulations on most drugs.

      Both products become expensive because of government regulations.

      Marijuana is expensive because it's illegal, music is expensive because the RIAA forces stores to sell music at fixed prices. Government regulations would actually lower music prices by forcing the RIAA to let music stores sell the music at their own prices.

      To protect the profitability of both products, distributors employ tactics typical of criminal organizations.

      You say that like it's not illegal to sell marijuana.

      And finally, the real danger appears not because of the product itself, but because of the additives that must be used in the mass market to maximize and protect profit margins. The additives create unknown levels of toxicity to your body and your mind.

      What are you talking about?!?! Additives in music? I think you smoke too much weed, but even that doesn't have any "additives" I know of. Unless it's laced with something, and you would normally know if it is. "create unknown levels of toxicity to your body and mind" yeah listening to music I bought in the store creates unknown levels of toxicity to my body and mind.

      Of course, manufactured weed and manufactured music are both bad for you, and I would suggest that squirrels and humans avoid their consumption.

      Manufactured weed, well government manufactured weed is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than anything you can find on the streets. And manufactured music? What's manufactured music, if you start off with nothing and end up with music, wouldn't that be manufactured? So any music would technically be manufactured. I'm not even going to comment on the squirrels and humans bit but dude LAY OFF THE WEED!

    2. Re:to poison squirrels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say that like it's not illegal to sell marijuana.

      It depends on where you're talking about. There are a few countries out there somewhat removed from being a theoracy screaming at anyone daring to indulge in pleasures of the flesh.

  32. In other news by borgdows · · Score: 0

    Sir Hax-A-Lot using weed to whore on Slashdot!

  33. Re:Weed? The Author is a genius!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry I didn't post in a more appropriate style, but this is freakin' genius.

    Since I'm sure the guys reads this page, could he please tell us all if he did really well in marketing school or how it was that he thought of such a great idea!!!

    (I wonder if it was Sir Mix A Lot himself!!!!)

  34. So it's finally happened... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amway and the RIAA have joined forces.

    You knew it'd have to happen sooner or later - they're both scum-sucking bottom feeders.

  35. Alcohol 120% by sofakingl · · Score: 1

    After you download from Weed, you can burn your music to a disc with Alcohol 120%. But make sure you use a crack to remove the DRM first.

    1. Re:Alcohol 120% by db10 · · Score: 1

      Alcohol, crack, and weed. A winning combination!

  36. This reminds me of the time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...I was getting ready to post this profound insight I had about weed, but by the time I got my cursor over to the comment box I totally forgot what I was going to type. I had some more pizza.

  37. Thinking about the costs of doing it by rcastro0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How can this be less expensive as a means of distribution than simply setting up a server and sell direct, like Apple did ? I mean, don't think about only bandwidth costs but:
    1) Costs of paying people down the pyramid
    2) Fraud Management
    3) "CRM" with the huge mass of "distribution partners"

    Unless they have some brilliant marketing concept hidden in there, which I may have missed, it seems like just a more expensive way of doing the same thing Itunes does.

    --
    Quem a paca cara compra, paca cara pagará.
    1. Re:Thinking about the costs of doing it by pigscanfly.ca · · Score: 1

      The fact that it is P2P is there marketing
      Look it got mentioned on slashdot .
      Talk about cheap marketing :-0

    2. Re:Thinking about the costs of doing it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! Just like a real brick&mortar MLM... imagine that. I even bet that one of their selling points is the 'efficiency'?

    3. Re:Thinking about the costs of doing it by ameoba · · Score: 2

      The whole point of the referal bit is that you're sharing your file with other people, maybe P2P, maybe some other way. The point is that

      a) they're not paying for bandwidth on redistribution

      b) you're pushing their product.

      --
      my sig's at the bottom of the page.
    4. Re:Thinking about the costs of doing it by DarkHelmet · · Score: 1
      He's not look at it as a cost item. He's looking at it as a method of getting people hooked onto the system.

      He figures that anyone who is willing to buy the song off of Weed will want to get other people to buy it to recoupe the costs of purchasing the song.

      That's how a pyramid scheme works: by getting all your friends to buy into it.

      --
      /^[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}$/i
  38. I was going to collect a lot of referral money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...but then I got high.

  39. Goddamn Misleading Slashdot Headlines by thedbp · · Score: 1

    I thought I was gonna get a free bag if I picked up his new CD. It would certainly help me sit and listen to the whole thing.

    Just kidding, I actually used to be a big Mix A Lot fan, like 12 years ago, and this method seems very fair to both parties. Artist gets paid better than thru the RIAA, and the customer gets to listen before they buy. Perfect!

  40. Poor marketing foresight. by jhobbs · · Score: 5, Funny
    Mastercard - Sept 9 - Oct 8

    $4.99..................Weed

    Deja Vu man. This will be like when I called the hints line at Virgin Interactive. Took forever to explain to my parents that $3.99 to a 900 line called Virgin Entertainment was not a phone sex line.

    Honestly though, I wonder if anyone has though about what a tough sell this will be, not to the target demographic, teenagers (they'll love it), but the source of their disposable income, their very uncool parents.

    My crystal ball keeps showing me a Chevy Nova.

    1. Re:Poor marketing foresight. by larry+bagina · · Score: 1
      Took forever to explain to my parents that $3.99 to a 900 line called Virgin Entertainment was not a phone sex line.

      $3.99? They were probably concerned that you had a premature ejaculation problem!

      --
      Do you even lift?

      These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

    2. Re:Poor marketing foresight. by addaon · · Score: 1

      It's not a problem, it's a biological coupon!

      --

      I've had this sig for three days.
  41. If you're avoiding all patents... by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    V.90 dial-up, cable modems, and DSL are patented, having been invented within the last 20 years. How do you get your Internet access?

    1. Re:If you're avoiding all patents... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
      All of these are transitory, a storage format on the other hand is, by its nature, a permanent element for which control over the technology implies control over the work.

      This becomes especially important when we're looking at areas where revenue shouldn't necessarily be an element of distribution, at a time when technologies are advancing to the point that these controlled technologies aren't even open - even when patented. It's one thing for PCM-based CDs to be patented and subject to payments and controls by Philips et al, it's another for the layout of works on a computer to be, in a way that turns the entire motive of patents on its head - to be controlled and subject to arbitrary limits with the data therein locked away.

    2. Re:If you're avoiding all patents... by PyromanFO · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In this case he was talking about software patents. Though it's rather naive to believe those modems wouldn't have been invented without patents.

      "Let's see, we could make several million selling modems but we won't be given a government granted monopoly on designing and producing our certain type of modem. Why bother? In the end we'll just make money, who wants that? I want to sue people instead!"

      As soon as companies realized they could make money off internet access they were going to make modems faster and better with or without patents. Patents end up being icing on the cake for most companies, without it you still need a faster modem to beat your competitor. What're you going to do? Sit around and cry about not having patents while someone else spends some money in R&D and makes the modem before you? That puts you several months/years behind thier technology and leaves you spending just as much money reverse engineering thier product. In the end its the same thing, you have to spend money to make money. Patents don't change that.

    3. Re:If you're avoiding all patents... by Squareball · · Score: 1

      And in tech, more often than not, the patens are worthless after what 5 months? Wow so you had a patent on how to make a 256kb ram simm, or a 4x CD-ROM.

    4. Re:If you're avoiding all patents... by Qrlx · · Score: 1

      why do you write insightful stuff yet youre not logged in?

  42. Its Sat Night by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's getting stoned night tonight. So you'll all know why I'm rolling about thinking how funny the first sentence is.

  43. Easy money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'm going to get Kevin Bacon to buy a track. I'll never have to work again.

  44. Total Recorder is awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Besides the low registration cost (it was like $13 or something), they even support ogg vorbis! Great little company.

  45. Me too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No misspellings! I had to check it thrice to make sure, just like you.

  46. Music Downloaders: Read This Before the Elections by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Is it time to get the DMCA repealed? Do you think the RIAA has gone too far? Do you think it's wrong that Disney can get a law passed to keep Steamboat Willie from passing into the public domain - a law that makes it impossible for anyone to expect a newly copyrighted work pass into the public domain during their lifetime?

    How about making copyright reform a central issue in the upcoming election?

    Very likely most politicians don't know if the DMCA is fit to eat, feel Disney and the RIAA are important campaign contributors whose requests should be given priority, and music downloaders are simple thieves who deserve every bit of punishment they get.

    You can change that. But it's going to take some work. But there are enough people sharing music in America - more people than voted for George Bush - that if you get off your collective asses and get active politically, you can get laws passed to get the RIAA off your back.

    In Change the Law, I explain that copyright is not a Constitutional right, like free speech. Instead copyright is allowed (but not required) to serve a useful purpose, a purpose which I feel has long since outlived its usefulness.

    I suggest steps you can take to bring about copyright reform, ranging from speaking out to practicing civil disobedience.

    One thing I'd like you all to do today is to write your elected representatives to ask their opinion of the current state of copyright law given its widespread abuse by organizations like the RIAA and MPAA, and to urge them to work towards copyright reform. Let them know your vote will depend on a positive response.

    When you're done writing that letter, write to the other candidates for each office in the upcoming elections, to ask them the same thing.

    Sixty million american peer-to-peer file traders have the potential to raise a lot of Hell with the politicians. I want every candidate to be peppered with questions about copyright reform at every campaign stop and in every press interview. I want the repeal of the DMCA to be discussed in the Presidential debates.

    People marched in protest when Dmitry Sklyarov was arrested. Dmitry Sklarov is free now - but the law under which he was jailed is still on the books.

    If you agree with me that something needs to be done about copyright, I need your help.

    Thank you for your attention.

    --
    Request your free CD of my piano music.
  47. Which direction? (Weed ettiquette!) by polyp2000 · · Score: 1

    I had a quick look at the site...

    I couldnt find anywhere telling me which direction I should pass it on.

    I just wanted to make sure everyone gets their fair share of hits.

    --
    Electronic Music Made Using Linux http://soundcloud.com/polyp
    1. Re:Which direction? (Weed ettiquette!) by thedbp · · Score: 1

      To the LEFT HAND SIDE, man!!!!!

      Now pass that shit, you're camping!

  48. B3TT4 R3C0GN1Z3! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the W35T c045t, b!tch!

    Word to Puget Sound!

  49. and the good thing about this is...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Okay. So take the worst of P2P (the person-to-person distribution, the lack of a centralized search engine, the lack of file integrity verification, no customer service, the overall time-consuming and sloppy experience), and the worst of iTunes (DRM, Linux-unfriendly format, special application, costs money that goes mostly to the record label, personal identifier in every file) .. and you've got.. WEED!

    I'm glad they're trying new things and all, but I personally wouldn't give two shits for this "viral sales" BS. I've already got iTunes installed and I'm not bothering to install anything else. (Like this would even work with the Mac, I bet it won't).

    Best thing to do is download the song, remove the DRM, and upload it back to P2P with the same name.

  50. Visionary by Sideshow+Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Sir Mix-a-lot first brought us Buttermilk Biscuits, Square Dance Rap>, Baby Got Back and Put 'em On The Glass. If he's distributing those, I'm buying, or downloading, or perhaps just popping in my old Swass casette.

  51. Coopting the term "Weed" -- Live music distro by oboylet · · Score: 5, Informative

    The term weed has frequently been used in live music trading circles to refer to a method of distributing your favorite phish/dead/moe./sci show quickly. Out of generosity on person seeds the show to two people absolutely free, no blanks, no postage, etc. The only string attached are that each recipient in turn gives it to two more people for free. And so on, like rabbits. peace.

    1. Re:Coopting the term "Weed" -- Live music distro by Qrlx · · Score: 1

      That's interesting. How would you use weed in a sentence? Is it like, can you help me weed last night's show?

    2. Re:Coopting the term "Weed" -- Live music distro by swb · · Score: 1

      It's exactly like that. It's been an extremely popular thing over in alt.music.replacements for swapping all manner of bootleg Replacements albums.

  52. grow op by gulfan · · Score: 1

    So does this mean that the songs are being grown in illegal grow ups too?

  53. In related news by Sideshow+Coward · · Score: 0

    Cypress Hill is using weed. Not to distribute music, they are just using it.

  54. what stops... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    people who just plays the music... records the sound via their soundcard's "what-you-hear" recording function and recompressing it into mp3.. bam then u got yourself a mp3 again?

  55. Like trying to play tapes on a CD player by tepples · · Score: 1

    Likewise:

    "Why did you buy that tape player?"

    "Because it's a better player, and there's no reason I shouldn't be able to use the cassettes that I bought with it."

  56. CORRECTION by tepples · · Score: 1

    OH S***, why does the finger slip when it's headed toward the preview button?

    "Why did you buy that tape player?" should have been "Why did you buy that CD player?"

    1. Re:CORRECTION by damiam · · Score: 1

      You're correct. There's no reason why, if I own a cassette, I shouldn't be able to legally aquire the CD for a nominal fee (or download it for free). After all, I've already paid for the music. The only reason you can't do this is that the record companies are a bunch of greedy bastards.

      --
      It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
    2. Re:CORRECTION by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Greedy bastard == anybody who wants to charge me for something.

      Let's put it this way: There's no reason why, if the record company has sold you a cassette, and can reasonably expect that that is the last time they'll ever be able to get money out of you, why they should provide any other form of service to you ever again. What are you going to do, not buy stuff from them? Oh wait...

    3. Re:CORRECTION by jasonbw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      a business prof once pointed out that most music you buy is a license to that particular recording on that particular media....at least, as long as the license states that. I checked a bunch of my cassettes once to find that the record companies had neglected to spell out any of the license terms whatsoever. so my question is, should i accept a best guess (this recording/this media) license, or should i consider that i have an unlimited license due to the fact that there where no limits provided to me?

    4. Re:CORRECTION by damiam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Legally, I don't know. Morally, you paid for the music, so it's your right to enjoy in any form you please.

      --
      It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
    5. Re:CORRECTION by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      I checked a bunch of my cassettes once to find that the record companies had neglected to spell out any of the license terms whatsoever.

      Because there is no licencing involved when you buy a musical recording, any more than when you purchase a book. You're not buying a licence, you're buying a copy. You can do whatever you want with your copy except make other copies. (Public performance is considered to be a weird form of making a copy.)

      IANAL, YMMV.

      --
      Tom Swiss | the infamous tms | my blog
      You cannot wash away blood with blood
  57. Hey, this is supposed to be news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoops, I read that as "Sir Mix-A-Lot Using Weed". Nevermind :)

  58. Apples and xeroxes of apples. by 0x20 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think you understand what "lossless" means.

    Using lossless compression, any digital audio file can be duplicated for infinite generations and still be a perfect copy of the original. If you make a FLAC copy of an APE copy of a CDA file (all lossless compression methods), the 3rd generation is identical to the first. No audio information is removed. If you make an MP3 of an OGG of a WMA (lossy methods), the file will change and the sound quality will deteriorate with each successive generation, as more information is irretrievably tossed out each time.

    1. Re:Apples and xeroxes of apples. by Aliencow · · Score: 1

      Kind of when you translate stuff from English to German, from German to French, and from French to German on Babelfish I guess. Here's the proof:
      -
      to estimate the kind, if you translate material of an English to the German, a German to the French and French with the German on of Babelfish me. Here, the proof is:

    2. Re:Apples and xeroxes of apples. by Keeper · · Score: 1

      I hate to break it to you, but you can make any number of copies of an mp3 without degrading the audio quality.

      You've only got a problem when you decompress the audio and re-encode it using another lossy algorithm.

      This is roughly analogous to making copies of something using any sort of DA->AD conversion (or A->A for that matter)-- you lose information during each conversion. This would include copies of tapes, ripping audio off of cds with your computer (burn a cd, rip it, burn the ripped copy, etc, if you don't believe me ... several generations down the road you'll have crap), recording any audio from an analog source on your computer, etc.

      Having an audio file in a lossy format isn't a horrible thing if the quality of the encoded file is satisfactory.

      I suspect most objections to listening to high bitrate mp3s (or your compression shceme of choice) are rooted in the same realm as those who insist that records are better than cds.

    3. Re:Apples and xeroxes of apples. by 0x20 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if you read the post. I was referring to re-encoding the file. That was the whole point... explaining "lossless." When you encode/re-encode any file using any lossy format, data will be lost. I'm not dumb enough to think a *file copy* would deteriorate. By the way, my digital audio collection is all in mp3. I personally don't care what encoding scheme is used (licensing aside) as long as it doesn't sound shitty to my ears AND it plays on most of my devices. I was just explaining lossless vs. lossy in my post.

    4. Re:Apples and xeroxes of apples. by sambira · · Score: 1

      I don't think you understand the basic argument that is going on here. The argument is a personal preference for the type of music one listens to. If you want to get into the detailed definitin of "lossless", if you digitize an anolog stream (i.e. music), you loose a portion of that music and can not get it back. Does this make the digitized music bad. Well, some might say it does because you lost the original intent of the music, while others might say, "Yah, but it sounds good and I don't care". Instead of arguing what is "lossless" and what is "lossy", you should argue for choices of compression so everyone can be satified. By the way, digitizing an anolog music stream is compressing that stream.

    5. Re:Apples and xeroxes of apples. by wolrahnaes · · Score: 1

      Great example. Only problem is that running anything through babelfish is like taking HDTV in to VHS. The content's still there, but it is really fuzzy.

      You lose enough information during the first translation with babelfish.

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  59. Sharing? by IntergalacticWalrus · · Score: 1

    Call me a troll but I can't see how you can call that "music sharing". It's a commercial site with DRMed tryouts.

    Oh, and "Sir Mix-A-Lot"? What the hell what a dumbass name.

    1. Re:Sharing? by MichaelGCD · · Score: 1

      It's a take-off on Sir Lancelot, who lanced... a lot.

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  60. New Headline by maudite · · Score: 1

    DVD Jon legalizes weed for linux users!

  61. Well, uh... by ebbomega · · Score: 1

    Citigroup being the biggest Pyramid scheme in the world, and nobody seems to be complaining too much about them.

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  62. These days... by inteller · · Score: 1

    Sir-Mix-a-lot would HAVE to use weed to get anyone to listen to his crap.

  63. A friend with WEED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is a friend indeed.

  64. Multi-Level_marketing for music by Black+Art · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The music industry is now proving just how evil they are. Now they are trying to use Multi-Level-Marketing mixed with DRM to sell product. They may call it something else, but anything that uses a downline structure to sell anything is MLM.

    This is similar to what Amway, NSA water softeners and a bunch of other companies do to sell product.

    It is an interesting scam. Not only do they get you to do the selling for them, but they also get to keep lists of who is selling their music and where they live.

    This is one of those times when I am glad I am on an unsupported platform for the technology.

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  65. Looks like by The+Tyro · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sir Mix-a-lot is taking some lessons from Cypress Hill...

    Heh... They've been using weed to sell their music for years.

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    1. Re:Looks like by lommer · · Score: 1

      Uh Cypress Hill?
      How about the Stones, the Grateful Dead, Hendrix, or even the Beatles?! Weed's been selling music for decades man...

  66. Jigga-WMA? by David_R · · Score: 1

    Why doesn't he use Baby Got FLAC?

  67. did anyone else.... by yaar · · Score: 1

    first read this "Sir Mix-A-Lot Using Weed To Distribute Music"?

    err....

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  68. This is... by suyashs · · Score: 1

    the amway of the digital age...

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  69. I used weed but I didn't inhale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    b-dump-bump-bump

  70. the jesuits have a karaoke bar? by theaphila · · Score: 1

    nt

  71. What about Silent Bob? by nebulous+bee · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The thing I don't get about any of this DRM stuff is what makes the artist/record company think people won't use something like Silent Bob (or any other streaming audio recorder) to workaround their protections?

    The audio quality is not as good as in the original file but then you can take the WAV file created by Bob and convert that to whatever format you like (MP3, OGG, etc...). This is definitely not legal and the artist loses out on the payment. I wonder if anyone bothers to tell the artists that this huge hole exists in the supposedly "secure" Weed technology.

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  72. shameless self promotion hearsaymusic.ca by warren69 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Hey,

    Shameless self promotion:
    www.hearsaymusic.ca, canadian independent artists
    artists get 45cents for each dollar song (oh, notice the .ca, thus you may have guessed we're talking canadian dollars).

    There currently is an huge selection of 3 artists :-), with a forth coming in a few hours... we are always looking for more independent artists.

    cheers
    warren
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    1. Re:shameless self promotion hearsaymusic.ca by evil_liam · · Score: 2, Informative

      If we're doing shameless self promotion of sites we've done, then check out www.trax2burn.com
      (House Music: MP3 format 192kb/s tunes, no DRM)
      Not sure what % they give the artists...
      (warning: Flash)

  73. Thank you! by Thing+1 · · Score: 0, Troll
    I can't believe moderators wasted their valuable mod points, which can be used to raise up good posts to help the community, to knock down this bit of mild humor.

    Besides, my brother's a musician and I do know what I'm talking about. ;-)

    C'mon, hit me again. I double-dare you.

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  74. Weed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "...and this is your music on DRM. Any questions?"

  75. Using Weed To Distribute Music by new500 · · Score: 1
    . . .

    I knew if I'd wait enough, this 60's technology would come around again.

    Now I'm waiting for the release of "Acid" DRM to compliment it :

    "hey Man, dig this band. the're totally trippin"

    "Yeah, I mean, like, awesome, who the F&^$ are these guYs anyway?"

    "Whoooo! Did you see that cloud!"

    Can you imagine what the RIAA would give for us actually forgetting what we'd just listened to? I mean, they'd be able to release the same crappy boy/girl - band jingles year after year and we'd *love it*.

    Oh, crap, how did they manage to do that already???

    == I was there, but there's no proof anyone else remembers being there to see me . . . ==

  76. sampling by commodoresloat · · Score: 1
    If they recorded the album today they would have to pay a huge amount of money to George Lucas. It really isn't easy to determine where exactly an original work of art begins.

    I think this is BS promoted by the lawyers. I can pretty damn well figure out that George Lucaas was not intending to create German hip-hop, and I think anybody else could figure that out too. The real question legally is whether the music is "derived" from the movie; I still think the song would have to do a lot more than just sample the movie to be "derivative." What's happened is that the lawyers have everyone at the record companies convinced that samples must be cleared, so that's the way it is. But I'm not aware of any significant case law (perhaps I'm wrong; IANAL) outlawing sampling without permission per se. I think it would be easy to establish that the use of samples in a particular work constitute a commentary on the original, even a parodic commentary, which would be protected as fair use. The problem is, that would require a record company willing to have their lawyers make this argument in court rather than quietly pony up a few grand for every snippet of an original work used in another work.

    On another note, I think it's ridiculously hypocritical for record companies to expect anyone to ask them permission to regurgitate a bit of the crap they ram down our throats constantly through the mass media.

    1. Re:sampling by DIGITAiLor · · Score: 1

      But I'm not aware of any significant case law (perhaps I'm wrong; IANAL) outlawing sampling without permission per se. I think it would be easy to establish that the use of samples in a particular work constitute a commentary on the original, even a parodic commentary, which would be protected as fair use.

      Actually, there was a somewhat high-profile case against Biz Markie in the early 90's. On "I Need a Haircut" he sampled a Gilbert O'Sullivan song called "Alone Again (Naturally)". The judge ruled it was copyright infringement, and barred sales of the album. Since then sample clearance has been a serious issue in electronic music and samples are run through legal for commercial recordings- open the liner notes on a sample-heavy hiphop album post 1992 and you'll see credits where the samples came from. In many cases the clearance fees have been pretty high and the sampled artist is given a cowrite credit, which means royalty points as well.

      I can't remember if it was from the same case, but a judge ruled one bar of drums alone were not protected, which is why people still use sampled drumbreaks all the time tax-free.
  77. you had a stingy dealer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You dealer wouldn't kick you down some free bud if you bring in some new customers?

  78. dammit! by graveyardduckx · · Score: 1

    I read the headline and got my hopes up. I hope him and his big-bottomed women burn in hell for this outrage.

  79. Re:Mini Pyramid Scheme? -- not really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're looking at it as if the music weren't a product.

    The payback seems more like a scheme to reward or fund distributors rather than a scheme for people to make money.

    I think it's vital to this sort of thing surviving. I can imagine large libraries for distribution on fatty pipes--something that's kind of rare when distribution is not rewarded.

    Pyramid type schemes are based on the promise that the next generation will pay you, but if you run out of next generations, you get nothing back.

    The Weed idea doesn't seem to be promising anything, except that if you do happen to distribute the file, you might be rewarded.

  80. Re:0r1g1n4l h1p h0p ? by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 1

    I think remixes and blends with different beats are awesome. I've been spending a lot of time recently listening to rap mixtapes and some of the stuff is really interesting and/or funny. For example, Juelz Santana's freestyle over R. Kelly's Ignition remix beat is funny because it has a similar flow to the Ignition remix (can be found on The Diplomats Present Juelz Santana, by Kay Slay).

    I also came across a hilarious blend the other day (I think it was off a recent Lt. Dan tape) but it had Stunt 101 (by G-Unit) over the beat for Clap Back (by Ja Rule). If you've heard about their so-called beef (it's just words, really) you'd be laughing. Oh, the irony.

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  81. Article by chunkwhite86 · · Score: 1

    Before even reading the comments for this story, I figured that browsing at "+5 Funny" would get me all the important stuff.

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  82. Re:w33d by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 1

    Agreed. That post was hilarious.

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  83. Why named Weed? They use Paypal = avoid by iamhassi · · Score: 0
    Does anyone know why it's called "Weed"? I mean besides the fact that weed is also a drug and it sounds like a cool name, is there any real reason? I checked the FAQ and About Us and found no explaination. Guess it's just a matter of time before someone comes out with p2p called "Sex".

    Their FAQ says they use Paypal, and everyone knows how horrible Paypal is. After reading all the horror stories who's really stupid enough to give Paypal their credit card number anyway? If similar stories were written about a brand of car there would be a massive recall and government investigation, amazing how Paypal still manages to sneak by.

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  84. I said a-hip, hop, a-hippie... by zerocircle · · Score: 1
    Sugarhill Gang was really the first to do it and they did it rather well, so much so that Rapper's Delight was a VERY different song from Good Times.

    Word! And I say that as a lifelong suburban white boy. To my ears, only Will Smith has matched the Sugarhill Gang's ability to re-cast a popular groove into something worth listening to on its own. "Rapper's Delight" still holds up.

  85. sharing drm by name773 · · Score: 0

    what were they smoking?
    just can't put my finger on it...

  86. alternatives? by Thinkit3 · · Score: 1

    Ogg is an alternative. Make some effort to use it.

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  87. your hell is almost poetic. by thegnu · · Score: 0

    it brings a tear to my eye. in cabo san lucas, they have been playing the same music in all the clubs for the past 10 years, since the audience rotates out every 3 days.

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  88. i'm not letting you anywhere NEAR my music by thegnu · · Score: 0

    i'm assuming you haven't worked for anyone like radiohead. or the flaming lips. or tortoise, or yo la tengo or stereolab or anyone who pays much attention to the entire aural experience.

    i'm not discounting the fact that artists like the above stated wouldn't upload some mp3s to their player and listen to their work that way, but it's to detect different things. if you're the one playing the guitar or piano or drums or bass there are plenty of things you hear that noone else does, because it's your own.

    the finishing work matters. when i illegally downloaded hail to the thief in mp3 format, it was missing loads of character the CD had when i bought it.

    open your ears.

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    1. Re:i'm not letting you anywhere NEAR my music by clifyt · · Score: 1

      Nah -- no one as contemporary. The guys I deal with talk about things like Being In The Pocket and making sure that an entire song can be played through by the musicians in one take (even if it takes two weeks to get it -- and then the overdubs...but no edits to the original).

      I pay a LOT of attention to the aural experience, but the stuff we work on is far more centered on good songwritting than anything else. If you can sing along to it, quite honestly, the shittiest recording will sound great because its stuck in your head and *YOU* fill in the gaps.

      Out of the bands you listed, I rate one as a decent songwritting band. Radiohead, for example, use to have great writting, but have gone the way of gimicks in the last few releases. Better than average writting, but their focus on as you say the aural experience more than the content itself.

      Losing character has everything to do with the source material you've encoded from and the psychoacoustic model that the encoding employs. I have several mp3 encoders from back in the day (before they got shut down due to patent infringement) that sound better than what we have today. These ones would actually let you choose from a variety of compression techniques that were sorted by the types of music that it did well.

      We are seeing more and more of this in straight 96khz to 44.1khz dithering processes as well. POW-r is slowly being added to all the major softwares, and there are plenty of other ways to get around dithering from high end audio to consumer level audio. I have a test application that I'm planning on checking out soon that a high end audio company had sent me that CLAIMS to make the dithering process much less damaging to the sound as a lot of high end mastering engineers claim that going from 96khz to 44.1 is almost criminal in their mind. The app actually adds a layer of noise based on gasiuan theory / brownian motion and a shit load of other probably bullshit ideas. The claim is that adding a random layer in a nonpredictable - inaudible way will allow dithering to occur where its warmer to the listener and truer to the original.

      In a sense, MP3s and all these others are adding this sort of random layer that is filling out the parts left off because its not just playing the parts as written, its interpretting it.

      Both processes are lossy. Both loose a LOT of information from the masters. If you encode MP3 from a CD, you have lost 2 levels of detail. If you encode MP3 / AAC / Whatever from the masters, you get quite a bit of this information back, and if you actually afford yourself the difference that >128bps MP3s give you (128 was about the norm back when I was dealing with the P2P apps), you might see that while loosing some info, with the right attention to detail in the dither / encoding states, its not too horrid.

      Remember this -- when Apple first opened the ITMS, they claimed that ALL their source material was coming straight from the masters and this is why it was taking so long to get in. If they had encoded from CDDA (as so many of the other companies are doing), I doubt it would have sounded so good.

      In the end, I'd rather focus on the song and not the skills of the guy behind the board. Otherwise, we start getting into BrittanyPop where its entirely the production that is at stake and not the music (not that I'm saying this is bad...I know one of the guys in her recent production crew and he is the top of his game :-)

  89. Narcotics in Music today by shapiros · · Score: 1

    Ok, so now people are using coke and weed to get our children to listen to music? This is frickin' rediculous....

  90. In other news... by crazyhorse44 · · Score: 1

    today Yaakov Smirnov announced that he will be distributing his new comedy CD over the WEED network as well. As you already know... this development comes on the heels of other major artist launches on the WEED network by such industry giants as: Winger, Carrot Top, Nelson and the Corey Feldman Band.

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    1. Re:In other news... by fordboy0 · · Score: 1
      Yaakov Smirnov? Man, I hate to do it... Mod me down if you must, but isn't there an "In Soviet Russia Weed Distributes You" or perhaps an "In Soviet Russia, CD Artists Distribute Weed"? Actually, that last one happens here in the US too. I'm sure some of the Gangsta rappers still sell a little Weed now and then :)

      -FB

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  91. Simple by ZxCv · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Their FAQ says they use Paypal, and everyone knows how horrible Paypal is. After reading all the horror stories who's really stupid enough to give Paypal their credit card number anyway? If similar stories were written about a brand of car there would be a massive recall and government investigation, amazing how Paypal still manages to sneak by.

    Just like everything else, the people not happy with something are going to be a lot more vocal than the people happy with something. I've used paypal on and off for a few years now, and know several others that have as well, and none of us have had a single problem. Something tells me that paypal has far more satisfied customers than unsatisfied customers.

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    1. Re:Simple by iamhassi · · Score: 1
      " I've used paypal on and off for a few years now, and know several others that have as well, and none of us have had a single problem. Something tells me that paypal has far more satisfied customers than unsatisfied customers."

      I don't know anyone that has AIDS, does that mean I shouldn't bother wearing a condom? Your logic is severely flawed, just because Paypal has not affected your little group personally does not mean Paypal hasn't ripped off millions of other people and there's a risk you, or someone you know, will be ripped off too.

      Course every Paypal victim was like you once, otherwise they wouldn't have been using Paypal, would they? Then they're ripped off, so they go online to warn others, only to be told by remaining Paypal users "What are you talking about? Paypal's great!"

      It'll never end.

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    2. Re:Simple by ZxCv · · Score: 1

      Point taken, but it doesn't change my point at all. Maybe pokes a hole in my example, but thats about it. My real point was that paypal must have far more satisfied customers than unsatisfied customers. Something tells me that if "millions" had really been "ripped off" by paypal, something more than a few websites with user complaints would have come of the whole problem.

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    3. Re:Simple by iamhassi · · Score: 1
      "My real point was that paypal must have far more satisfied customers than unsatisfied customers. Something tells me that if "millions" had really been "ripped off" by paypal, something more than a few websites with user complaints would have come of the whole problem."

      What would you expect? Paypal executives to be in court like Enron executives? Unfortunately the average Paypal victim happens to be your average internet surfer, not wealthy bureaucrats with big bucks invested.

      However the Attorney State General for Oklahoma, Florida and Nebraska are all investigating Paypal according to these sites. You'd be shocked how difficult it is to bring about a conviction in a case like this, so prosecutors will stand idly by and wait years until enough evidence is compiled.

      Let's do a little math, shall we? Paypal has over 35 million users, so let's agree that 10,000 users to them is nothing. Let's say they freeze $1,000 from those 10,000 users... with me so far? That's 10 million dollars. Obviously these people will file complaints... or will they? If they're a business and that money was for customer merchandise it's likely that the business owner himself will be the one facing the BBB, FTC and Attorney State General, and they don't care that the business owner was ripped off, they have dozens of complaining customers and want the matter resolved regardless of who's at fault.

      But of course not everyone will face that. Let's say the rest file reports with the BBB, FTC and Attorney State General. Now having dealt with each of these organizations I can tell you they'll do absolutely nothing. So what's next? Lawsuits? Over $1000? Sure let's pay lawyers $150+/hr and high court fees, I mean you were just ripped off of $1000, surely you have a few more grand to pay so you can get your $1000 back, right? Wrong. Yes they could sue for court and lawyer fees but they still have to have the money up front to pay for all of that, and considering they just lost $1000 that's highly unlikely.

      But sure there's going to be that 0.5% that actually have extra $$$ laying around, and those lawsuits end up online. So they go to court, Paypal loses (of course), and Paypal gives them their money back. So 0.5% of 10,000... why, that's 50 people. 50 x $1000 each = 50 grand. Oh boy, of the original 10 million stolen, Paypal has to pay back a whole 50 grand, and maybe some lawyer & court fees.

      Get my point? This behavior seemed to be much more common years ago when Paypal didn't have the large user base, but this would work with even as little as 1 million people. Now that Paypal is actually making more money than it's spending let's hope they'll stop ripping people off, but they froze $1500 from me last year and I haven't seen a dime of it since so they're still in the rip-off business.

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    4. Re:Simple by ZxCv · · Score: 1

      Quite honestly, your entire comment sounded like one of those complaint websites--pretty much a "it happened to me so it must be happening to everyone AND they must be doing it on purpose!" kinda whine.

      If some company had screwed me out of $1000, I wouldn't be on the phone with a lawyer, I would be down at the courthouse spending $35 to file my small claims court case. The small claims limit in Nevada is $5000 (although I'm not sure how close this is to that of other states), which I imagine would cover the amount that was "ripped off" from most paypal "victims". And beyond that, I'd have a hard time believing that someone who was ripped off of more than $5000 in such an open-and-shut manner would have any problem getting a lawyer to take the case on contingency.

      I have no problem with people speaking out when they feel they've been ripped off. In fact, it is an obvious necessity. However, I do have a problem with people who convey their belief that, "well, company X has done me wrong, so company X must be doing everyone wrong and no one, not even company X's satisified customers, should ever do business with them again!".

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  92. Re:Why named Weed? They use Paypal = avoid by natefanaro · · Score: 1

    Maybe the RIAA will like a p2p app that's called sex. After all, sex sells.

  93. Reject this Outright by serutan · · Score: 0

    It might be kind of nice if musicians mde money on copies for a change. On the other hand, it really isn't necessary for ANYBODY to make money from copies of music. Enforcing any system of copy control opens the same cans of worms no matter who gets the money. We don't need this headache in our lives any more, and it just isn't necessary. Before and during the era of recorded music, musicians have always made money by playing gigs, not from the sales of the recordings. Only record companies make money from record sales, because of the way recording contracts are set up. Musicians lose nothing by the free flow of copies, and they gain fame and better gigs.

    Let musicians continue to make money by actually playing, the way it's always been; they lose nothing. Let the public gain something -- the power to distribute copies freely and determine for themselves which musicians become popular, with no middleman raking off a huge profit. Let the concept of pay-for-copies and all the enforcement headaches and secondary effects on privacy and civil rights fade away into history. Please, please, please do not support this or any other pay-for-copy scheme.

    1. Re:Reject this Outright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Hey shithead: SHUT THE FUCK UP!

      It's necessary for musicians to make money from copies of music, because it costs them money to MAKE that music. "Musicians lose nothing by the free flow of copies..." Well, you lose nothing by going to work for free every day as well.

      Except for your house. And your car. And your ability to buy food.

      You're just like all of the other fucking whiny freeloaders, who are using technology and "the revolution" to keep from paying for something of value, and as long as you're not supporting the musician with your money, you're helping the RIAA.

    2. Re:Reject this Outright by swordgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is silly, and the AC is actually not too far from the truth.

      By rejecting the so-called "pay-for-copy scheme," you're denying the musician to make any money off of his recordings. Real recording (not basement stuff, which will never approach studio quality) is still expensive, and resource-intensive. If a musician can't at least recoup his or her costs on it in direct sales, then they won't have any incentive or ability (i.e. money) to make those recordings.

      Now even if they could make them for free, or had the finances to be able to call it part of an advertising budget, there's another problem with free downloads: It doesn't give any value to the art itself.

      Free music downloads amounts to exactly the same thing as a painter being forced to sell every work he does at materials cost alone. You could go out and buy a Picasso, a Dali, or a 'local craft sale artist' painting for the same price of rougly $50. You can argue that it's an original instead of a infinitely copyable item, but that makes no difference--the value is in the art, and by not paying for the art, you're convincing the artists to quit producing.

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    3. Re:Reject this Outright by gone.fishing · · Score: 1

      Do you have a lock on the front door of your house or apartment? If every one were trustworthy and honest it could be argued that you don't need one. But the fact is that there are many (if not most) people out there who will take something for free that they should have to pay for if they know they can get away with it.

      Music (and software) piracy is theft. The creator of the art deserves to get their cut of the sales.

      What rankles me about copy protection, licensing codes and so on is not the protection of the product (that is legitimate) but the fact that most if not all of these arrangments break something in the process. When a copy protection scheme prohibits me from some leigitimate use then it is like the lock on the front door occasionaly locking me out too. If I buy a CD and want to play it on my computer I should be able to. If I want to cary a copy of a CD in my car rather than the original, I should be able to because I am afraid of the original being ripped off or damaged. These are ligitamate rights that I have when I make my purchase.

      Weed is on to something here. I hope that they expand their offerings to music I listen to and I hope they come up with a similar solution for video and software.

  94. Amusing read of your first sentence... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Because of your subject, here is how I originally parsed your first sentence in my head:

    The similarity between average squirrels and average weed are interesting. Both are grown easily in the home, and can be distributed at almost no cost.

    I had to read it a few times before I saw what you actually wrote.

    This was also funny because at a funeral a few months ago I met a guy who really was raising a squirrel in his house (though he was giving any away).

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  95. spelling troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is frickin' rediculous...

    ...as is your spelling. YM ridiculous. Now write it out a hundred times (without the aid of copy-and-paste).

  96. hip-hop...musician? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Now there's a world class oxymoron if ever there was one.

  97. Re: WMA Lossless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you make an MP3 of an OGG of a WMA (lossy methods), the file will change and the sound quality will deteriorate with each successive generation, as more information is irretrievably tossed out each time.

    WMA 9 Professional allows lossless compression. I actually love it and that's the format I'm encoding my CDs after I purchase them and want to listen without quality loss in my PC. After a few weeks I can reencode them into WMA 9 Dual pass VBR.

  98. I have to say... I miss Subset. by Rahga · · Score: 1

    Subset was a short-term collaboration project between Sir Mix-A-Lot and The Presidents Of The United States Of America (PUSA). Some interesting stuff, Mix's raps over PUSA's grooves.

  99. Reggae & Weed by tuvulu · · Score: 1

    I think weed is a fantastic idea -- it works with people's natural inclination to share music they like and still takes care of the artists. We're an indie and we love the idea -- we've put up a few tunes (http://www.stonetigerentertainmentgroup.com/weedp age.html) and are slowly getting our feet wet but have a bunch more that we plan to get out there. I love the idea of working with the fans/listeners directly. Music really should be accessible for everybody. And what better partnership can you think of than weed & reggae? :) Couldn't resist. We're trying to explain the concept to other artists now and get them involved (http://www.jahweed.com) but the idea is so new that it takes time. I'm a novice at all the audio stuff and have just been learning about setting up audio files and such on the site but I'm coming along. Blessings

  100. Every choice has consequences by Anonymous+Meoward · · Score: 2, Funny
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  101. Wanna hear the same song another 3 times? by octogen · · Score: 1

    Either this is security-by-obscurity, which means, that I'll be able to listen to the same song as many times as I want to (for example, by simply restoring a 'safety copy' of the file, or maybe by circumventing application security (using a debugger)), or I must not be able to copy the file (or to open this file with any program other than Microsoft's WMA player), which effectively makes my computer unusable, because I can't use my own (or 3rd Party Software) on it anymore (then maybe it's still a Microsoft-CD-Player-with-integrated-Microsoft-Type writer, but not a computer).

    Just imagine UNIX without the possibility of using pipelines, because only ONE specific program works with a specific file; you must not even be allowed to read from /dev/fd0 or something, because that would allow you to copy the file's content. You must not be allowed to debug certain applications on your computer.

    Now imagine a cracker, who can get a DRM certificate for his newest virus (don't say, it's impossible .. . What about DRM-protected viruses? There will be only a very small group of people who would then be able to isolate the virus.

    I think, we could find a lot of other potential 'accidents' with DRM technology.

    DRM technology can't work realiably on open computing platforms, it will always be either totally insecure ('obscure' instead of 'secure'), or it will at least be potentially dangerous. Don't use it.

    regards,
    octogen

  102. Kudos by NZN · · Score: 1

    Back in 1976, some of the founders of the Internet working within the NSF's funding challenges considered selling "ownership" of the internet to users as a method of enticing its use, of gaining fiscal support in light of dwindling NSF monies, and of allowing for true "peer-to-peer" marketing. They of course did not choose this method, Network Solutions was instead formed. But, if they had, interestingly, a few changes would have come to life, and one of those changes might have something to say about Weedshare. Consider what it would mean to commerce on the network if everyone had a digital identity that represented a marketplace that they were the owners of. Secure (Open Identity Management)trading partners across a global stage, with a built in business model. ie... What you own legally, you can sell as you wish... and the history of owners that have preceeded you, all the way back to the original source owner, can be easily databsed for any product or service commodity. If this had happened, we would not have the issue of "theft" in the world of intellectual capital as we do today on the web. Dont get me wrong, it will always be around, but it would not be sooo easy. OWNERSHIP Distribution is a big deal... in a free market, their is one thing better than "FREE"... ownership. As long as a digital signal is distributed to your home, and you are not the "owner" of it, their is a breakdown. Incentivizing owners to participate is the key. Just because the network is cool and allows for cool activities is not enough in a commercial paradigm. Renting domains that you can organize legally as privately owned commodities is still a legislative priviledge. Ownership of your digital identity/ life brings a whole new experience. Weed speaks to a good idea. On a network, owners of content and owners of consumption resources are partners. It is a 50-50 relationship. If either is slighted by the other, there is a backlash of negativity, especially in terms of fluid economic transactions. Until a system such as weed comes about and can take the issue of ownership to the next level, we will not have a positive solution for trading intellectual capital on the global digital stage. I say kudos... its a hellova long road ahead... but they picked a good theme... all weed should be circulated under such terms );p

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  103. Re:First Big Butt Post:NO MAKE IT STOP!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need to remember - not everyone gets to watch sorority girls sing kareoke... It could be worse - it could be Japanese Businesmen... ;)

  104. ok, i will let you near my music. by thegnu · · Score: 0

    the point i had missed was iTunes encoding directly from masters.

    and about radiohead, i would say they have gotten a little too pre-recorded for my tastes, and hail to the thief is a welcome return to form such as it is. have you seen them perform their new material live? i have also heard an acoustic set by johnny and thom on krock that is beautifully performed, including many of their new songs.

    they still build their music from the ground up.

    i also forgot to add that i feel that many times the artist will listen to an mp3 of his music, while it is the production's job to adjust the levels, something that gets horribly skewed when ripping a CD to mp3. i am a firm believer in oggs and wished iTunes supported playing them (the plugin is laggy).

    i cede many points to you. i hate 99% of the overproduced stuff nowadays too. you sound like someone who performs his work with integrity.
    -nathan

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