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Copyrighted Haiku Delivers Spam Through Filters

An anonymous reader writes "Remember that antispam company that includes a copyrighted haiku (which I can't quote here due to copyright reasons...) in emails vouching for their nonspaminess and thus bypassing spamfilters? The idea is that a spammer using said haiku to get through spamfilters can be prosecuted under the more stringent copyright laws instead of the weaker antispam ones. Well it seems said haiku has lately been figuring in a large spam run trying to pitch the usual medical remedies for various unfortunate ailments. What do you think? Is it time to start filtering for haikus or will Habeas succeed in thwarting the spam attack?" We mentioned this brilliant anti-spam scheme last April.

362 comments

  1. Re:frist port? by wheresdrew · · Score: 4, Funny

    You made the first post
    Hey, mother Anonymous!
    You proud of your son?

  2. screw the copyright - here are the haikus ;) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Train of slick spam (a heller mail than mine), now corpus on third rail - Bill Bailey

    art science and law forged together into one synchronicity - Justin S. Houk

    Like oceans of wind Habeas SWE clears Email server jams. - Barbara Kane Pilliod

    As Habeas shows that spam email can be banned with lawsuits at hand - Stanislaus Jaworski

    Messages pile up. Unauthorized, unwanted. Now undelivered. - John H. Lee

    Habeas striving to rid my inbox of spam. Hope it will succeed. - Steve Wilhelm

    Hasty limerick My gift to all Habeas An honor for me. -Sandy Bumgarner

    Habeas Web Page Elegant as your concept Navigating joy. -Sandy Bumgarner

    Incorporeal Dear old friends send mail. As do incorporeal robot pretenders. -James Kobielus

    Too much spam today Sender Warranted Email Spam-free tomorrow -Stacey Irvine

    email said hello, email police jumped on it, now, no one writes me . . . . -Michael Siwinski

    I get no email, any day that ends in y, fixed spam problem though . . . . -Michael Siwinski

    I lost my baby, I lost my bathwater too, might be my filter? -Michael Siwinski

    Awesome find today.. One expanded header full.. Hinted things to come! -Cindy Sue Causey

    Habeas info.. In a header full of Shtuff.. Brought new hope at last! -Cindy Sue Causey

    I built a new soul Using the remaining pieces Of my Habeas -Anthony Oertel

    habeas makes herring out of yucky spam happy penguin -Philipp Droessler

    spam free mail inbox clean like the first spring rain thanks to habeas -Philipp Droessler

    unwanted porn ads and get rich quick nevermore thank you habeas -Philipp Droessler

    1. Re:screw the copyright - here are the haikus ;) by D-Cypell · · Score: 3, Funny

      Psssst... Now quickly, tell 'em about the viagra!

    2. Re:screw the copyright - here are the haikus ;) by commodoresloat · · Score: 5, Funny

      What's wrong with you fools
      Last April we wrote haikus
      In response to this

      we get one more chance
      to write haiku for karma
      and we blow it big

      I was hoping to
      waste my valuable work time
      reading horrid verse

    3. Re:screw the copyright - here are the haikus ;) by commodoresloat · · Score: 0

      it seems I was wrong
      we wrote haiku in August
      see the link below

      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/20/1322 02 &mode=thread&tid=111

      slashdotters unite
      write all comments in haiku
      we procrastinate.

    4. Re:screw the copyright - here are the haikus ;) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you forgot:
      Winter into Spring
      Brightly anticipated
      Like Habeas SWE


      On a side note, aren't Haikus meant to be 5-7-5 syllables? 'Like Habeas SWE' could be pronounced with 7 syllables - that's how I would normally pronounce it - unless 'SWE' is pronounced like the beginning of 'Sweden'. Pretty bad choice for what needs to be a watertight Haiku, eh?

    5. Re:screw the copyright - here are the haikus ;) by Mr+Smidge · · Score: 1, Funny

      Your haikus just then,
      Though concealing much effort,
      Totally sucked balls.

    6. Re:screw the copyright - here are the haikus ;) by bhtooefr · · Score: 0

      Hab-e-as-S-W-E - six syllables.
      Like-Hab-e-as-S-W-E - seven syllables

      Hab-e-as-SWE - four syllables
      Like-Hab-e-as-SWE - five syllables.

      I guess it's swe, and not s w e.

      Win-ter-in-to-spring 5
      Bright-ly-an-tic-ip-at-ed 7
      Like-Hab-e-as-SWE 5

    7. Re:screw the copyright - here are the haikus ;) by chrismear · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Funny. I would pronounce that as

      Like Ha-be-as ess dub-ell-you ee

      making for a grand total of nine syllables.

      I'm keen to find out what this strange new one-syllable pronounciation of the letter w is.

    8. Re:screw the copyright - here are the haikus ;) by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      In British English the w ("double-u") is pronounced "wuh".

      From A Fish Called Wanda, for instance:
      "oh look, it's even got a 'wuh' for Wendy!"

      Hope that helps.

    9. Re:screw the copyright - here are the haikus ;) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well now you've done it.

    10. Re:screw the copyright - here are the haikus ;) by a_nonamiss · · Score: 1

      Doesn't that screw up your alphabet song?

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    11. Re:screw the copyright - here are the haikus ;) by cabingirl · · Score: 1

      No more so than 'zed'.

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    12. Re:screw the copyright - here are the haikus ;) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There once was haiku from a blog,
      The spammer we felt it would clog.
      But copyright fights,
      are a spammers delight.
      Now we get all our spam in court logs.

    13. Re:screw the copyright - here are the haikus ;) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true, unfortunately - I'm as British as they come and I've pronounced it "double-U" all my life.

    14. Re:screw the copyright - here are the haikus ;) by bobbozzo · · Score: 1

      no it's dub-yuh! (like George Dubya Bush)

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    15. Re:screw the copyright - here are the haikus ;) by JerkBoB · · Score: 1

      In British English the w ("double-u") is pronounced "wuh".

      So when you are in the unpleasant situation of having to read an URL aloud to someone, do you say "wuh wuh wuh dot ..."?

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    16. Re:screw the copyright - here are the haikus ;) by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      Heh, that's a sight better than "dub dub dub", which I hear wayyy to often. I always expect it to be followed by "three men in a tub" or something.

  3. Habeus have won once already by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Informative

    Which would have taken any semi-literate reporter or editor ten second to find on their site. I guess that would have spoiled the illusion of a breaking story though.

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    1. Re:Habeus have won once already by clifforch · · Score: 1

      That's just incorrect.. The article refers to a current spam run, and they are still trying to trace the spa^H^H^H err scum responsible.

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    2. Re:Habeus have won once already by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's just dissembling. The article gives the impression that this is the first time this has happened (implicitely, by not mentioning anything between now and last April). Basic journalistic integrity means not ignoring relevant aspects of a story just because they happen to lessen the impact.

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    3. Re:Habeus have won once already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Tracing spam to its roots is not so difficult. By its very nature spam must point you to a real person where you can buy stuff from. It's relatively easy from then on to find the person who composed the spam, and the person who sent it.

    4. Re:Habeus have won once already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      By its very nature spam must point you to a real person where you can buy stuff from.

      Not true. Some spam are for pink sheet stocks (there may be thousands - hundreds of thousands of people that might benefit).

      Most of the refinance spams just collect a list of names which are resold a dozen times before a legitimate bank receives them as leads.

    5. Re:Habeus have won once already by mattdm · · Score: 1

      [...] Basic journalistic integrity [...]

      People have been complaining about this since day 2 on slashdot. And it's been silly and ridiculous the whole time -- never "informative" or "insightful". If you want *journalism*, basic or otherwise, go to some representative of the press. For example, for serious g4ek-related journalism, I recommend LWN -- but that's *never* what Slashdot has been or even pretended to be. So, basically, quit whining.

    6. Re:Habeus have won once already by JoeNotCharles · · Score: 1

      This is different, though. If they can *find* the guy to take him to court, they'll definitely win. The problem is that this spam is coming through hacked broadband users, so it's harder to trace back.

      Of course, they could come at it through the registry of the .biz doman (I assume the one linked in the story is the one that's being spammed), but that's less certain to hold up in court. It could be joe job, after all.

    7. Re:Habeus have won once already by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      YHBT. YHL. HAND.

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    8. Re:Habeus have won once already by mattdm · · Score: 1

      yeah, probably. *sigh*.

  4. Interesting by Urkki · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's an interesting idea, I really hope it'll work too.

    Unfortunately I think they might need to make it so that they couple it with a white-list, ie *all* mail with their signature that is *not* on their whitelist is assumed to be spam... Otherwise there will just be too much spam specifically intended to make their service useless, actually harmful to their customers... There'll even be fake spam designed to be hard to track, just to force people to filter out any mail with their delivery and thus forcing them out of business :-/

    1. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh, they do have a whitelist of senders who've subscribed to their service. They also have a blacklist of IP addresses that've abused the SWE. Of course whitelisting requires that you can correctly figure out which IP connected to your MX (not always trivial).

    2. Re:Interesting by Urkki · · Score: 1
      • Uhh, they do have a whitelist of senders who've subscribed to their service. They also have a blacklist of IP addresses that've abused the SWE. Of course whitelisting requires that you can correctly figure out which IP connected to your MX (not always trivial).

      Yes, but at least last week I got spam mails that got marked as non-spam, and I'm pretty sure they weren't from white-listed addresses, which means that filters (well, at least SpamAssasin) considered their marking to be sign of non-spam even though they were not whitelisted. Which was exactly my point, spam filters will be forced to make to so that white-listing is not optional, it's required, and thus it lessens value of Habeas's service in cases where whitelists might not get updated fast enough etc, getting mail of their legitimate, paying customers to be blocked more easily.
  5. Just... make... me.... UGHRHGH!@~ by after · · Score: 0, Redundant

    This is just plain stupid. Not only are spammers using semi-senceable text, but most of the time my spam contains nothing but plain jibber jabber. I mean, just random misspelled words that dont make a fucking pint of sence.

    May all hell be released upon the mastermind that controls this all, I hope the worst upon him from the bottom of my heart to all eternaty.

    1. Re:Just... make... me.... UGHRHGH!@~ by JerryP · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I keep getting those nonsense-spams, too (as if the other ones made more sense :-)).

      From what I understand they are meant to somehow "poison" the bayesian filters out there so they can't do their job any longer. Maybe someone with more insight into the workings of bayesian filtering can tell us if this is feasible?

    2. Re:Just... make... me.... UGHRHGH!@~ by dossen · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Another way these nonsense spams work is, in my experience, by having two different MIME parts, a plaintext part of random words, and an html part with the actual spam content. Since I don't use html mail, it works rather poorly on me, but I did once take a look at the html part, and it was formated text, not random nonsense like in the plaintext part.

    3. Re:Just... make... me.... UGHRHGH!@~ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your post hust triggered my spam filter

    4. Re:Just... make... me.... UGHRHGH!@~ by rawshark · · Score: 5, Informative

      Maybe this would help?
      The Spammer's Compendium

    5. Re:Just... make... me.... UGHRHGH!@~ by WWWWolf · · Score: 1, Funny
      I mean, just random misspelled words that dont make a fucking pint of sence.

      What if the spammers collectively just... went insane? That would be great. Some weeks after the fact, when someone finally bothers to check the spamassassin folders, they'd see the usual garbage and notice it makes even less sense this time. Not even selling anything. Just pages full of "All viagra spam and no pay makes Alan a dull boy" or some other shit like that.

      That would provoke a crisis. Riots. State of Emergency. New anti-crapflooding (special case) laws passed around the world. China and Myanmar allowing US military and UN peacekeeping forces to seize control of the open relays until the experts have secured them. Mental institutions filling up. International epic spectacle of the modern age revolution. World War III turning out to be global scale guerrilla fighting between the spammers and the rest of the world. Blah blah.

      And now I'm going to get some more coffee.

  6. Sorry about the formatting - stupid lameness filte by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and I bet Michael bitch slaps this thread to -1 permanently ;)

  7. It was always going to happen by Ckwop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Darwinian Selection is the governing rule of spam.. If appending a Haiku makes a message 'fitter' it will survive the slaughter more readily and therefore make it into your inbox more often.. until some realises what's going on and combats it with a new filter.. and then the process starts all over again.. :) For this reason, I think we're going to be fighting spam for a long time to come :) Simon.

    1. Re:It was always going to happen by The+One+KEA · · Score: 1

      And that makes you smile?

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    2. Re:It was always going to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it is getting time for a "Digital Millenium Spam Act" or something like that: Any e-mail message which is designed to circumvent spam filtering should be illegal, at a penalty of lets say $500 per email.

      Of course some judge would have to decide that, but it seems obvious that anyone selling Viagra would know how to spell it, and nobody in their right mind would add gibberish or a list of 200 words from a dictionary to a spam email - except to throw of spam filtering software.

    3. Re:It was always going to happen by Ckwop · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah.. the great thing about Spam is that it's pretty obvious what is spam to anybody..
      If it was a criminal offense and went to a jury, the jury could very easily sift ham from spam making the conviction rate very high!
      I believe a law of this nature would be very effective indeed, for this reason..

      Simon

    4. Re:It was always going to happen by maitai · · Score: 1

      As I understand it they mean for their haiku to be placed in the headers. Then you set your filters to block any email message that doesn't have said haiku.

      You're only allowed permission to use their haiku if you aren't sending spam (per the holders of the copyrighted haiku's definition of what spam is)

      If you send spam (by their definition) and include their haiku, then you're violating the terms of using their copyrighted works and they'll get pissy and sue for violation of their copyright and stuff.

      That's my understanding of it anyhow. (Copyright law having more impact than current anti-spam laws...)

    5. Re:It was always going to happen by Urkki · · Score: 1

      I believe they also employ blacklisting marked mail from servers that have sent such mail without license, and also whitelist of servers that have valid license.

      So if a spam coming from whatever DSL Windows Zombie gets reported to them, they add that one IP to their blacklist, which is supposed to be only used to filter mail with their haiku mark so it doesn't even affact legitimate mail from that IP, only mail that has their mark faked.

    6. Re:It was always going to happen by smallfeet · · Score: 1
      The last thing we need is for big government to get involved (in the US anyway). I would much rather keep my freedoms and deal with the spam then get the fed involved.

      Do we really want GWB desiding what e-mails we can and can not send?

    7. Re:It was always going to happen by JPriest · · Score: 1

      If the use the Haiku to get past the filter they are guilty of copyright infringment.

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    8. Re:It was always going to happen by pclminion · · Score: 1
      Darwinian Selection is the governing rule of spam..

      Isn't it the governing rule of everything? "That which survives, survives." Pretty tautological, don't you think?

    9. Re:It was always going to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Darwinian Selection is the governing rule of spam.

      So what you're saying is that if we kill all the spammers before they have a chance to breed, in a few millennia people will instinctively not want to spam?

      I like your thining. It isn't guaranteed to work, but it's got to be worth trying.

  8. habeas? by visualight · · Score: 2

    This is the first i've heard of this company. I've been to their website, googled a bit and I don't think I like them.

    Is there a filter for "warranted email" from habeas? It seems to me that any email that needs to be warranted must be spam.

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    1. Re:habeas? by singleantler · · Score: 2, Informative

      As far as I can tell, this was aimed mainly at people producing things like e-mail newsletters.

      The Lockergnome newsletters started to use the Habeas haiku a while ago because they had problems when people started marking their sign-up newsletters as spam when they didn't want to receive them any more, rather than using the unsubscribe options. The people on large ISPs that aggregate what people think of as spam were then banning the newsletters from other subscribers.

      Getting yourself unbanned from ISPs usually involves contacting their staff and convincing them that you're not a spammer. In the case of Lockergnome the second part was straightforward, but it was taking up a lot of time, and you only know you've lost subscribers when someone asks when the next newsletter's coming because they haven't received any for a while.

      The Habeas system gives the ISPs an easy way to let through stuff marked with it, as long as Habeas defend their haiku against spammers successfully. So far they've done this, but finding the spammers to enforce their copyright, as they're trying to do in this latest case, isn't always easy/fast.

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    2. Re:habeas? by ichimunki · · Score: 1

      And this points up the problem with centralizing the control of what is and is not considered spam. Keep the network dumb and make the clients smarter.

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    3. Re:habeas? by singleantler · · Score: 1

      That's no good if you're on dial-up. Dealing with spam yourself is fine if you're on broadband, but it's a pain in the arse if you're on dial-up as you have to download all the crap before the software deals with it. That's why ISP-level spam control is attractive to lots of people.

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  9. Copyright infringement on the internet? by product+byproduct · · Score: 3, Funny

    Unbelievable.

    1. Re:Copyright infringement on the internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wait untill you'll see the story on this site http://bzq-225-37.red.bezeqint.net

    2. Re:Copyright infringement on the internet? by Rufus211 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think the word you are looking for is inconceivable!

    3. Re:Copyright infringement on the internet? by balthan · · Score: 5, Funny

      You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    4. Re:Copyright infringement on the internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My God! He's climbing.

    5. Re:Copyright infringement on the internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      My name is Inigo Montoya. You spammed my father. Prepare to die.

    6. Re:Copyright infringement on the internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >My God! He's climbing.

      It's full of stairs!

    7. Re:Copyright infringement on the internet? by Threni · · Score: 1

      Still, the "which I can't quote here due to copyright reasons" is utterly wrong. You can quote copyrighted works in reviews and/or other situations allowed for under the `fair use` provisions.

    8. Re:Copyright infringement on the internet? by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      ;) Also last spam I got includes Haiku whatever in it, subject is?
      "Looking for a place to host child porn etc?" , oh yes, that kind of sick net mafia knowing thousands of people working at Interpol just to arrest them, sending that spam will REALLY care about Haiku copyright.

    9. Re:Copyright infringement on the internet? by hummassa · · Score: 1

      No, you can not quote the entire opus.

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    10. Re:Copyright infringement on the internet? by arose · · Score: 1
      No, you can not quote the entire opus.
      OMG, I quoted your entire post, please don't kill me.
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    11. Re:Copyright infringement on the internet? by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      Yes you can, if it's fair to do.

      So long as it is fair -- i.e. where the specific circumstances involved, as analyzed in a fair use test such as that in 17 USC 107 -- ANY otherwise infringing act is rendered non-infringing.

      Making a zillion complete copies and giving them to everyone, in order to make a profit, _could_ be fair. Given the right set of circumstances.

      The only thing you can say really, is that there are no categorically fair or unfair uses.

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    12. Re:Copyright infringement on the internet? by ChuyMatt · · Score: 1

      ANYBODY want a PEANUT?!

    13. Re:Copyright infringement on the internet? by beaverfever · · Score: 1

      I think the word you are looking for is inconceivable!

      or unpossible!

    14. Re:Copyright infringement on the internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd just like to say that that is my favourite line in the movie. Not that anyone cares, but now you know anyway. Poor Mr. The Giant... Poor, poor Mr. The Giant.

    15. Re:Copyright infringement on the internet? by DataSquid · · Score: 1

      Me fail English? That's unpossible!

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  10. Who cares about the haikus? by The+One+KEA · · Score: 1

    As long as the spammers catch hell for their actions, I'm happy!

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  11. I've gotten a few by ghettoboy22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    About 5 in the past couple days. I noticed the unusual X-headers and finally remembered what it was. Increased the SA score yesterday and now I get none! woot!

    I can see this company being semi-successful in taking spammers to court under copyright lawsuits, however like the article says the latest rash is (not suprisingly) zombied broadband hosts, making their chances of finding someone to sue almost nil.

    1. Re:I've gotten a few by Tripster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      making their chances of finding someone to sue almost nil

      Not quite, the spams are selling a product at some point, someone is somehow receiving payment for doing the advertising and there is where you get them, whether it be the actual spammer or the company being advertised.

      If the spammer is paid per lead there you have them, if they are paid per sale same thing, somehow the money gets to the spammer and there will be a trail to it. Even if they use false aliases they just add fraud to the list, they still have to pick up the money at some point.

      The choice for the companies involved should be disclose the information for the spammer you hired or you get fined or criminally charged instead.

      The spammers could flood the world with false spam runs targetting innocent companies, hiding their true money making runs, but I think those would stand out as the ones selling Viagra/Penis Patches/etc. as they do now.

      We need something and soon, it's a losing battle on the mailservers, I tend to a local dialup ISPs incoming scanning server, they have slowly been losing clients over the years as broadband has taken hold and yet the mail server resource requirements continues to grow at an alarming rate, we turn away 80% of the SMTP connections that come in as it is and still a large percentage of what comes in is still spam. His customers are demanding a solution and the sad thing is the stuff that gets past all the RBL/SpamAssassin checks is the freaking adult stuff most people want rid of the most, especially parents.

    2. Re:I've gotten a few by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The funny thing about spam, if you try to click their stupid links, and you want to "order" anything the site is down.. wow that's great, even if I wanted to order I couldn't.. however if you are lucky, you can view the soure of the page, you would most likely find the e-mail where the spammer recvives his orders, and thus you can file a complaint to the offenders ISP.

    3. Re:I've gotten a few by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 3, Interesting
      If they're found, they'll be lucky if they only get sued.

      Thought -- Imagine if they end up in jail; considering how many inmates' only contact with the outside world is via the Internet, what would be the inside lifespan of a convicted spammer?

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    4. Re:I've gotten a few by Permission+Denied · · Score: 1, Insightful
      The choice for the companies involved should be disclose the information for the spammer you hired or you get fined or criminally charged instead.

      I love this. Great idea. Monumental.

      We make the companies talk, and if they don't rat out their spammer brethren, we fine the company into the ground and maybe even throw some execs into the pen. This will surely end the spam problem: no way the spammer scum will find a way to turn this against us, like they did to Habeas or other anti-spam fighters.

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      The spammers could flood the world with false spam runs targetting innocent companies, hiding their true money making runs, but I think those would stand out as the ones selling Viagra/Penis Patches/etc. as they do now.

      There are legitimate companies that sell Viagra. I would guess that I could get Viagra at the corner Walgreens. But it would be obvious that the mom-and-pop viagra-selling shop advertised via spam actually supports spam, whereas when Walgreens is advertised via spam, it must be completely innocent because a large corporation would never do such a thing, right?

      Similarly, when you get a spam advertising some shady stock deal, it's a "real" spam if it advertises some small trading shop, but it can't be a real spam if it advertises Morningstar.

      If you think about it, legitimate companies can be easily identified: if they can afford extensive litigation, it's a legit company. Given this, we don't have to put any kind of qualifier on your original suggestion: any company advertised via spam should be forced to give information implicating spammers or face legal sanctions. Those few theoretically "innocent" companies can afford to protect themselves.

      We can surely find the spammers if we presume people guilty with no evidence. Hey, it worked for finding the witches and the Communists, right?

    5. Re:I've gotten a few by mercenaryCoder · · Score: 1

      ... a large corporation would never do such a thing ... if they can afford extensive litigation, it's a legit company...

      Troll!

    6. Re:I've gotten a few by rew · · Score: 1

      Not quite, the spams are selling a product at some point, someone is somehow receiving payment for doing the advertising and there is where you get them, whether it be the actual spammer or the company being advertised.

      Company being advertized needs to say: We're just in business like lots of other companies, we didn't initiate nor authorize this spam run.

      Then what?

    7. Re:I've gotten a few by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I've blocked any email with .biz in it for a long time. Haven't gotten any false positives yet and don't expect to.

    8. Re:I've gotten a few by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I took a closer look at the Viagra spam I got with their headers, and checked out the Spamvertized site and it was HACKED... that's right.... After going to the Viagra site, someone "owned" their server....

      Go to: http://partition.pharmacourt.biz/ and check it out.
      It's quite hilarious.... Go to "About us" or "Contact us"
      section....

      Their server is in China (not surprisingly), their Domain is registered in the Phillipines, and of course their Emails come from infected hosts.

    9. Re:I've gotten a few by RobNich · · Score: 1

      Please report these to the company on their site. They have a form for reporting these, which is much like SpamCop's form. SpamCop reports the abuses to all ISPs involved. Additionally, reporting it to Habeas allows them to add the senders to their blacklist, which is already used by some mail blockers (SpamAssassin already uses it by default).

      I got one of these emails last week, reported it right away, and haven't seen another since. Habeas may not be able to sue (yet|ever), but they've already fixed the problem to a great degree by providng the blacklist.

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  12. bayesian filters by ddent · · Score: 4, Informative

    I just checked through the mail I've received in the last while, and there is only one newsletter I am on using Habeas -- other than that, I have only received Habeas headers in spam.

    Guess what my bayesian filter is going to start thinking of those headers soon... this could prove to be a problem for them if they don't get things fixed ASAP.

    1. Re:bayesian filters by silentbozo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've already manually kicked the SpamAssassin score for Habeas to -.5. If things don't get better, I may help out the bayes filter by turning Habeas scoring off (set to 0). Habeas should be spitting brass tacks PRwise - every day that goes by without a peep from them just enboldens other spammers thinking about trying the same stunt.

      After all, Habeas was whitelisted because they promised legal action against spammers infringing on their copyrights... well, the spammers are infringing. Where are those spam-eating lawyers we were promised?

    2. Re:bayesian filters by GammaTau · · Score: 1

      Guess what my bayesian filter is going to start thinking of those headers soon... this could prove to be a problem for them if they don't get things fixed ASAP.

      My bogofilter database seems to consider the Habeas headers to be rather neutral. Of course it'll adapt but as far as I can tell, the Habeas headers are not a good indicator of spamminess of a message.

      $ bogoutil -w ~/.bogofilter/wordlist.db head:X-Habeas-SWE-{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9} head:{winter,into,spring,brightly,anticipated,like ,Habeas,SWE}
      spam good
      head:X-Habeas-SWE-1 27 28
      head:X-Habeas-SWE-2 27 28
      head:X-Habeas-SWE-3 27 28
      head:X-Habeas-SWE-4 27 28
      head:X-Habeas-SWE-5 27 28
      head:X-Habeas-SWE-6 27 28
      head:X-Habeas-SWE-7 27 28
      head:X-Habeas-SWE-8 27 28
      head:X-Habeas-SWE-9 27 28
      head:winter 27 28
      head:into 27 304
      head:spring 27 28
      head:brightly 27 28
      head:anticipated 27 28
      head:like 27 365
      head:Habeas 27 28
      head:SWE 27 28

      27 vs. 28 makes these tokens to have no value. Maybe Habeas might have some chances in the court but I don't think that they have any long-term chances in convincing the people on the net to modify their filters to let Habeas-marked messages automatically pass through. It seems that they convinced SpamAssassin developers but I wouldn't be surprised if they removed their test for Habeas headers.

    3. Re:bayesian filters by Blackneto · · Score: 1

      I set the SA Habeas scoring to 0 yesterday when I finally wised up to what was happening.
      SA gives Habeas an automatic -8 for whatever reason.
      I was going to lower my threshold to 2 but theres more legitimate emails that i recieve that I would have to whitelist.
      I would rather whitelist a legitamate sender using Habeas (i have none anyway) than constantly updating my whitelist.

      --
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    4. Re:bayesian filters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If my Bayesian filter deciphers the haiku technique and blocks it, does that mean it can be prosecuted for reverse-engineering under the DMCA?

    5. Re: bayesian filters by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


      > Where are those spam-eating lawyers we were promised?

      Most of them gave up eating spam the day they finished law school.

      --
      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    6. Re:bayesian filters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      score HABEAS_SWE 2.0 # haha GREAT FUN

      been so last couple weeks

      Was quite confused when some obvious SPAMS got through until I saw that hebeas stuff and remembererd reading about it on slashdot some year earlier.

    7. Re:bayesian filters by FyRE666 · · Score: 1

      I've already manually kicked the SpamAssassin score for Habeas to -.5...

      Well my filters (at home and work) are now +10.0 for the Habeas headers. The only mail I've seen with those headers has been spam, and it's a no-brainer to filter it all out. Let's hope ALL spammers start using these headers!! ;-)

    8. Re:bayesian filters by Rain · · Score: 1
      > Habeas should be spitting brass tacks PRwise - every day that goes by without a peep from them just enboldens other spammers thinking about trying the same stunt.

      Peep.

  13. Fair Use by Hobbex · · Score: 1

    Winter into spring
    brightly anticipated
    like Habeas SWE (tm)


    Either this is not a haiku, or "anticipated" now has six syllables and the product is pronounced "Habees swee".

    1. Re:Fair Use by batkiwi · · Score: 1

      You don't pronounce the stuff in parenthesis in any of their haikus.

      "Like Ha-Be-Us Swee"

    2. Re:Fair Use by Sircus · · Score: 4, Informative

      bright-ly an-tic-i-pa-ted

      5 syllables in anticipated, for a total of 7 on the line, making it (assuming you pronounce SWE as Swee and ignore the tm) 5-7-5, with a mention of seasons. Seems valid to me...

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    3. Re:Fair Use by cperciva · · Score: 1

      IIRC, haiku are supposed to have a joke in the last line -- this one satisfies that requirement as well.

    4. Re:Fair Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't recall correctly.

    5. Re:Fair Use by evilviper · · Score: 1
      IIRC, haiku are supposed to have a joke in the last line

      Definately not!

      My guess is that you are thinking of a Limerick, as limericks are supposed to be humorous. Although there's no requirement that there's a joke in the last line.
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    6. Re:Fair Use by Sheriff+Fatman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Like autumn harvest,
      Writing haikus correctly,
      Is very diffic

      --
      -- Open Source: It's mad, but you don't have to work here to help.
    7. Re:Fair Use by lxs · · Score: 1

      those are called senryu, haiku are supposed to be serious poems.

    8. Re: Fair Use by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


      My advice to you:
      If you find haiku too hard
      Use sonnet instead

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      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    9. Re:Fair Use by gowen · · Score: 1
      My guess is that you are thinking of a Limerick
      A young man from Kalamazoo
      Had trouble composing Haiku
      He could not find a reason
      To include a season
      Without the whole thing just ringing untrue.
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    10. Re:Fair Use by Derkec · · Score: 2, Informative

      Proper haiku is defined by the number of Japanese characters involved. The whole 5-7-5 concept is a rough approximation that they give to secondary school teachers who enforce it to teach students discipline. If you're writing in English, you can drop the 5-7-5 nonsense, try to approximate that a bit and write some poetry. More important to haiku is the use of nature imagery used to discuss the human condition. That being rather tough, and difficult to grade, it's not a big focus for most jr. high or high school students.

    11. Re: Fair Use by slipgun · · Score: 1

      My advice to you:
      If you find haiku too hard
      Use sonnet instead


      Surely that should read:
      If haiku is too easy
      Sonnet is harder

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    12. Re:Fair Use by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > IIRC, haiku are supposed to have a joke in the last line -- this one satisfies that requirement as well.

      No, a Haiku merely requires a word suggestive of a season.

      Copyrighted poems
      Now merely signify spam.
      Fuck you, it's winter.

    13. Re:Fair Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Human condition:
      Not so good. What's this burning?
      My third leg, on fire!

      (You have to say that last word like Jim Lehrer does - fahrrrrr)

  14. Never likely to work by DrPepper · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In theory the Habeas scheme is very clever. It's difficult to get spammers under any anti-spam law (where they exist), so change the ballgame so that you can prosecute under copyright law instead.

    Unfortunately though, I suspect it's going to be difficult to track these people down, and even when Habeas do, they will need to mount a prosecution in another country - wherever that happens to be. The spammers may even win given that each country enforces copyright laws differently.

    According to the statement given, the latest version of SpamAssassin should be able to filter these out. We're running what I think is the latest (2.61) and it still seems to be letting them through - thanks to the Habeas mark. I'm beginning to think I should just disable the Habeas rules completely and let these get scorded normally.

    1. Re:Never likely to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what I've done; no more Habeas spams.

    2. Re:Never likely to work by MForster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Note that using the Habeas Headers to filter out such mail may be a copyright infringement, too.

      See also the following Paragraph of the "HABEAS WHITELIST LICENSING AGREEMENT":

      Use of the Habeas Whitelist, or the data contained in the Habeas Whitelist, for the purpose of blocking, rejecting, or otherwise failing to deliver email coming from IP addresses listed on the Habeas Whitelist is expressly prohibited.
    3. Re:Never likely to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      According to the statement given, the latest version of SpamAssassin should be able to filter these out. We're running what I think is the latest (2.61) and it still seems to be letting them through - thanks to the Habeas mark.

      You have to enable network checks to filter these. Then when someone sends you an email with the Habeas mark, Spamassassin will check to see if the originating IP is on the infringer's list. If it is, then they don't get the credit for using the hiaku.

      This assumes that Habeas has listed the spammer's IP address in thier list. I don't know how long it takes for it to get updated.

    4. Re:Never likely to work by Rev.+Rudolf · · Score: 1

      > ... they will need to mount a prosecution in another country - wherever that happens to be. The spammers may even win given that each country enforces copyright laws differently.

      Probably not too much of a problem - Habeas are based in the USA, as are most spammers.

    5. Re:Never likely to work by DrPepper · · Score: 1

      Got remote checks enabled - and I can that we get Razor and DNSBL information, so they are working. As you say, this assumes that Habeas has the spammer's IP listed; somebody else mentioned that they are being sent through compromised broadband hosts which presumably means Habeas haven't (and are unlikely to ever) get all the IPs listed.

    6. Re:Never likely to work by DrPepper · · Score: 1

      I'd never filter out based on the headers anyway, as I'm sure Habeas have some legitimate customers - and changes are their emails are wanted by our users. All I'd do is not use the Habeas information in the calculation for determining whether a message is likely to be spam.

      At the moment, SpamAssassin assumes anything with these headers is not spam on the basis that nobody would dare infringe the Habeas copyright. As we've seen however, that premise is invalid, and therefore the Habeas marks are useless now for determining what is and what isn't spam.

    7. Re:Never likely to work by eclectro · · Score: 1

      I agree. I do not buy the "scammers will move to/are in other countries" arguement. I truly believe that if you were to send spammers to jail with a heavy sentence (especially the dozen that are responsible for 90% of the spam) a person's inbox would be very quiet.

      I also believe most of them reside in the US. Sure there are a _couple_ of foreign spammers, but I bet they are extraditable.

      Except all the ones in Nigeria - but maybe the government could get tough there if we threatened to withhold foreign aid, in which case we would see spammers put to death.

      --
      Take the cheese to sickbay, the doctor should see it as soon as possible - B'Elanna Torres, "Learning Curve"
    8. Re:Never likely to work by skojt · · Score: 1

      Version 2.62 of Spamassissin was released yesterday (Sunday 18th). You can find the details here.

      One of the fixes relate to Habeas:
      - Modified HABEAS_SWE to function even if the Habeas headers were out of their normal order.

    9. Re:Never likely to work by Lars+Arvestad · · Score: 1
      Note that using the Habeas Headers to filter out such mail may be a copyright infringement, too.

      I never remember what I read about copyright laws (too boring!), but wouldn't the copyright only come into play if you are publishing the haiku? Using the haiku for filtering should be equivalent to mumbling it to yourself, and surely that is not illegal (yet)?

      --
      Reality or nothing.
    10. Re:Never likely to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I've got a few over the last few days, and I've already set "score HABEAS_SWE 0" in SpamAssassin's local.conf.

      The whole concept of the person spamming you "Warranting" that the spam is not spam is ludicrous. This only way it makes sense is a whitelist: if the sending IP is on the SWE whitelist, the messages gets a non-spam score, if it's not, it gets a high spam score, and if it can't be checked (eg no network checks) it gets no score either way.

      Anyway, I wish Habeas the best of luck going after the spammer(s), as long as they dispose of the bodies in an environmentally appropriate manner.

    11. Re:Never likely to work by defMan · · Score: 1

      The nigerian spammers are most of the time not actually operating from nigeria. They are often asylum seekers in Europe (some actually mention this in their mails). Seen some nice ones from the Netherlands at least (i noticed because i live in the netherlands).

    12. Re:Never likely to work by plumby · · Score: 1
      They are often asylum seekers in Europe

      Do you have any evidence for this?

    13. Re:Never likely to work by sjames · · Score: 1

      That could only apply if I agreed to the license. Otherwise, it's just an unsolicited document and my right to discard it unread is implicit.

      I don't want to remove the SA rule for Habeas. They have an interesting and original idea that I would like to see work. However, I also don't want this spam that would otherwise have been tagged correctly and the only email I have ever recieved with the habeas mark has been spam. I probably will reduce the score for the Habeas mark.

      I find it interesting that the FBI bends over backwards and sometimes bends the law over backwards to 'get the hacker' when the phone company has a problem, but not with the scum that is sending these spams. After all, they are causing my computer to perform in a manner inconsistant with my intentions (getting it to deliver mail it would otherwise send to dev/null), and in the process consuming my resources (spool space) in the process.

      I may not be a multi billion dollar company, but I'll bet that the combined net worth of everyone who gets these spams exceeds that of the phone company, and I'll bet that the cost in time (a few seconds * millions of people per spam) adds up to more than the damages caused by most of the phreakers the FBI has pursued with such vigor in the past. So, where is the FBI now that everyday citizens need them?

    14. Re:Never likely to work by tubabeat · · Score: 1

      The latest SpamAssassin is 2.62, released in the last few days here It gives the Habeas blacklist a score of 16, (which with the default -8 for the headers gives 8 in reality) so assuming Habeas can keep the blacklist up to date (doubtfull I'd have thought) it should be effective.

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    15. Re:Never likely to work by spydir31 · · Score: 1

      You can't use the whitelist, true.
      Fortunatly for you, the whitelist and the headers are not the same.
      (You wouldn't be trolling, right?)

    16. Re:Never likely to work by MForster · · Score: 1

      So - in analogy - downloading MP3s from the net and just playing them for me would also be legal?

      I don't think so.

    17. Re:Never likely to work by MForster · · Score: 1
      That could only apply if I agreed to the license. Otherwise, it's just an unsolicited document and my right to discard it unread is implicit

      Of course. But without agreeing to the license you cannot use their whitelist.

    18. Re:Never likely to work by MForster · · Score: 1
      You wouldn't be trolling, right?

      No, I'm not. Of course, the whitelist and the headers are not the same, but this does not invalidate my point. You may not be allowed to use the Headers for filtering. _In addition_ Habeas wants to prevent people from filtering. So they won't give you a license to use their mark for filtering. The "HABEAS INDIVIDUAL LICENSING AGREEMENT" does not cover filtering, but only _sending_ marked mail.

    19. Re:Never likely to work by sa3 · · Score: 1

      "Habeas has begun systematically adding the IP addresses of the hundreds of compromised PCs sending this spam to the Habeas Infringers List (HIL)."

    20. Re:Never likely to work by cgenman · · Score: 1

      Not quite... They send the mail list to you. Otherwise it wouldn't function as a whitelist. If a band has a mail-a-song service that sends you an MP3, you should be fine playing them for yourself. If you think it is utter junk, there is no copyright issue filtering out anything that might come near to your computer with the same hash value.

      There may be a contractual issue (I know, contracts between unequal parties, lack of contract necessity due to lack of copyright protection, see a lawyer, etc.), but not copyright ones.

    21. Re:Never likely to work by ectoraige · · Score: 1

      Note that that applies for the whitelist only.

      There's nothing to stop you filtering based on the header's existence. IP addresses on the whitelist consist only of businesses who have purchased a licence from Habeas. As such, they are almost certainly authentic, and if not, will be easy for Habeas to track down and prosecure.

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    22. Re:Never likely to work by cgenman · · Score: 1

      "The Habeas Whitelist is a DNS-based IP address listing of Habeas licensees, each of whom only sends email that meets our stringent compliance requirements."

      Sounds like a phone book, with no creative expressive content. Hence, no copyright.

      In other words, while someone may need to agree to the license in order to be delivered a copy of the whitelist, that person should* have no legal issues giving the list to someone else. That someone else would not be bound by the agreement with the Habeas group, and hence would be free to block all they like.

      Don't give up your rights so easily. Just because someone tells you that you can't do something doesn't mean that actually can't. Often times people tell you not to do things because it is in your best interest to do them.

      *IANAL

    23. Re:Never likely to work by MForster · · Score: 1

      In the comment you replied to, I was not talking about the white list, but only about the warrant mark.

    24. Re:Never likely to work by MForster · · Score: 1
      Sounds like a phone book, with no creative expressive content. Hence, no copyright.

      I am sure, this varies from country to country - I am from Germany. IIRC, some years ago, a company took the german phone books and put them on a CD (after typing them in in China). A court ruled this as illegal.

    25. Re:Never likely to work by MForster · · Score: 1
      Note that that applies for the whitelist only.

      Sure. I just wanted to make clear HABEAS' attitude against spam filtering.

      There's nothing to stop you filtering based on the header's existence.

      My interpretation is, that you may not check against the exact headers. Because for this, you must have a copy of the headers for your spam checker. This may (IANAL) be a copyright infringement. It probably is possible, however, to check for some part of it, not containing the haiku (^X-Habeas-SWE.*)

    26. Re:Never likely to work by sjames · · Score: 1

      Of course. But without agreeing to the license you cannot use their whitelist.

      They can't afford to keep people from their whitelist in the long term. If they do, I and a zillion other people set SA to HABEAS_SWE 100, the value of their service to legitimate business becomes a negative number (gee, for only $X, I can make sure nobody ever reads my legitimate mail again), and they go away.

      It would be in their best interest to make use of their whitelist unrestricted.

    27. Re:Never likely to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually 2.62 was released yesterday.

      But it doesn't help. In fact it makes the problem worse, because it actually INCREASES the negative score for habeas to -8.0!! I turned habeas scoring off.

      In your local.cf:
      score HABEAS_SWE 0.0

      Fuck Habeas. Great idea in theory, shitty in the real world.

    28. Re:Never likely to work by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Insightful
      > I don't want to remove the SA rule for Habeas. They have an interesting and original idea that I would like to see work.

      Likewise.

      The more people who do remove the SA rule for Habeas, however, the more damage this spammer has done to Habeas' customers -- and consequently, to Habeas.

      Every system that starts using X-Habeas-SWE as an automatic "+5.0" (instead of (-5.0)) in their SA scoring mechanism, is another $BIGNUM in damages for which Habeas can sue when this spammer is finally brought to court.

      This is the Habeas test case. Either Habeas is able to enforce its trademark and copyright, and sue this spammer off the face of the earth, or Habeas - the company - dies, due to the efforts of one spammer.

    29. Re:Never likely to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm from Germany too. So I know the case. The company in question "corrected" their typed material by "comparing" it with an electronic version of the phone book. Thereby they copied false marker records in their material. But even that copying was legal in german copyright. But it was proof that the typing was not the only source of records. That broke the neck under "Law against unfair competition".

  15. I don't quite see the problem... by ControlFreal · · Score: 2, Informative

    Looking at my spam-box, I find the usual stuff:

    From ukKimble@mailthat.net Tue Jan 13 00:43:36 2004

    X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring

    X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated

    X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm)

    X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm)

    X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE)

    (tm). The sender of this

    X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas

    X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant

    X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this

    X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to .

    Subject: Fwd: V|@gra, Vali(u)m, X(a)n@x. Prescribed Online and Shipped

    ... and finally, the real information as far as I'm concerned in in the last header:

    X-Spambayes-Classification: spam; 1.00

    So whether the spam is "legitimate" (is there anything like that?) or not, SpamBayes doesn't seem to have much trouble with it.

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  16. Interesting by afroborg · · Score: 1

    I will be interested to see how this pans out. I think they could really be onto something here.

    Copyright does seem to be the hot topic round here at the moment doesn't it? (RIAA...SCO...)

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  17. Easy to defeat.... by SirFozzie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Joe-Jobs are made to order... Just send a bunch of mail through a rooted proxy, advertising the competition's stuff, and watch Habeas sic the lawyer dogs of war on your competition. You'd laugh all the way to the bank.

    Same type of thing if enough spammers use this trick, the lawyers will be too busy.

    Did Habeas actually think this was going to work? I mean, spammers are willing to do ANYTHING to make sure Joe Public reads their garbage. Constantly changing tactics to evade filters, to write viruses specifically to generate more open proxies to send their garbage through, to Denial of Service attacks against those who try to filter out this stuff, to garbage lawsuits. This is nothing compared to those..

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    1. Re:Easy to defeat.... by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      I don't know if you make theory or not but I just reported 10 spams via Spamcop using Spamcop bundle for OS X mail.app http://www.subsume.com/assembled/SpamCop.html , which is free.
      for a week, 30% of spams mysteriously reported to Haiku, they have their own part in spamcop reporting. You know, after
      They were just like you said, sent over open proxies from lovely (!) broadband but unadministered ISPs from South Korea especially.
      That company either do what it claims to do, sue them really bad, whoever responsible or instead they are helping spammers by tricking companies saying "it will work". Their license agreement says "mail from whitelist IPs should be delivered".
      Oh about Spamcop partnering with them, without a single javascript window explanation what the hell Haiku is? Or defaultly selecting to report? Got used to it... Same kind of unpolite attitude to people who actually tries to help stopping spam, now Haiku too, last time (and still) a Langley, Virginia based company...

  18. Check this out by ArcticPuppy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Seems they were hacked

    1. Re:Check this out by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 1

      It's a start...

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    2. Re:Check this out by eclectro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Seems they were hacked [valuepointmeds.biz]

      Now they are slashdotted.....spam problem cured.

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    3. Re:Check this out by spurious+cowherd · · Score: 2, Funny
      As was pharmacourt

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    4. Re:Check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is fucking beautiful!! GREAT WORK by whoever did it. *Applause*

      This is a great way to destroy for spammers, since the main purpose of spam is to increase visits to a website.

      I'd love to do the same thing, but I haven't looked into hacking/cracking for years now.

    5. Re:Check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      This one is really easy though:

      $ telnet pharmacourt.biz 80
      Trying 211.158.7.147...
      Connected to pharmacourt.biz.
      Escape character is '^]'.
      PUT /test.txt HTTP/1.0
      Host: pharmacourt.biz
      Content-Length: 10

      hello!

      .. will create http://pharmacourt.biz/test.txt.

      The only problem with this is that the front page is a .php file, and when using the PUT method in this way, the server executes the .php file rather than just overwriting it as with the .html files.

    6. Re:Check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't matter that you can't overwrite the php on the frontpage -- the images are still fair game. Use netcat and a jpg or gif file with your PUT commands at the front to upload an image.

      e.g. nc pharmacourt.biz 80 < image.jpg

      where image.jpg is:

      PUT /image.jpg HTTP/1.0
      Content-Length: (however big the image is)

      (image data)


      I used vi to edit the jpg file, make sure you also use a text editor that doesn't destroy binary files.

    7. Re:Check this out by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Ah, why not just trash their whole server, replace their main image with hello.jpg with the text: "We're a bunch of assholes. Delete this message, as it is spam"

      Also, try to root the server, and stop the sending of the spam and the images, put up notices that this server was used for spamming purposes, but was shut down by white-hat hackers (and explain what white/black-hat or hack/crackers are). Also, discretely slip a header into their spambot so that if they do start again, SpamAssasin already calls it spam. It's a shame that Hercules didn't become a common graphical standard, as there was one old DOS virus that did what we all told everyone was impossible - it set your monitor on fire, if it was an old B&W Hercules monitor. I think it set the V-Scan extremely high, and unlike modern monitors, there was no protection against that, so it would whine like a banshee and then overheat and burst into flame.

    8. Re:Check this out by DarkHelmet · · Score: 2, Funny
      Oh man... I hope someone uploads the goatse.cx picture...

      I can imagine the caption too.

      Torn anus? Our V1@gr@ and other medications may help your ailment.

      --
      /^[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}$/i
    9. Re:Check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The goatse.cx picture was on there for a while.

      It has now been replaced by some a more descriptive image, and the links to all the other pages replaced with a warning. Hopefully that will do the trick!

    10. Re:Check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I must be doing something wrong.

      I'm trying to upload a PHP file, and it doesn't seem to be affecting anything... actually nothing I do affects anything.

      I wanted a shell, too...

    11. Re:Check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I couldn't get a php file uploaded either. I think it tries to execute the file. There's further information about this protocol here: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2518.txt. A COPY or MOVE to a php file doesn't appear to work either.

    12. Re:Check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This explains why that is happening.

      Any chance someone could portscan the web server (211.158.7.147) and post a list of open ports as a reply to this comment? Maybe the proper WebDAV channel is on another port ...

    13. Re:Check this out by binarytoaster · · Score: 1

      Well, also if I try to overwrite any files or make new ones it doesn't work.

      I think they may have secured it. I tried making a new text file, and nothing happened...

      I'm using mount_webdav now, we'll see how that works.

    14. Re:Check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm seems to be working for me still. Make sure you include your Content-Length header, it will fail if you don't include it.

      Do let us know how well mount_webdav works!

    15. Re:Check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mount_webdav works wonderfully :)

      You can't ls, you *still* can't write to PHP files, or mv/cp to them, but you can write anything else...

      I guess my Content-Length was incorrect somehow. My failed attempt at getting MyShell up there is at /shell.html though.

      If it's executing PHP, maybe there's a way to embed commands to write out a .php in a PHP upload?

    16. Re:Check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fantastic! This is exciting :)

      Can you write .asp files to there? Or .exe files? If so, one could use possibly those as a mechanism for replacing the index.php file ..

    17. Re:Check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Navi:~ ryouga$ sudo nmap 211.158.7.147 -sS -vv

      Starting nmap 3.48 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2004-01-19 15:24 CET
      Host 211.158.7.147 appears to be up ... good.
      Initiating SYN Stealth Scan against 211.158.7.147 at 15:24
      Adding open port 389/tcp
      Adding open port 80/tcp
      Adding open port 1025/tcp
      Adding open port 21/tcp
      Adding open port 4899/tcp
      Adding open port 3389/tcp
      Adding open port 3372/tcp
      Adding open port 1720/tcp
      Adding open port 1026/tcp
      The SYN Stealth Scan took 128 seconds to scan 1657 ports.
      Interesting ports on 211.158.7.147:
      (The 1644 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed)
      PORT STATE SERVICE
      21/tcp open ftp
      25/tcp filtered smtp
      80/tcp open http
      135/tcp filtered msrpc
      389/tcp open ldap
      445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds
      1025/tcp open NFS-or-IIS
      1026/tcp open LSA-or-nterm
      1720/tcp open H.323/Q.931
      3372/tcp open msdtc
      3389/tcp open ms-term-serv
      4444/tcp filtered krb524
      4899/tcp open radmin

      Have fun. ;)

    18. Re:Check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks - very much appreciated, sir!

    19. Re:Check this out by Myopic · · Score: 1

      oh my god that is awesome. someone out there deserves a pat on the back.

    20. Re:Check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copying to shell.asp gave an "Operation not permitted". However, shell.exe gave an OK, so maybe it'll work. I don't have cmd.exe handy, though. ;)

    21. Re:Check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's one for you ..

    22. Re:Check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm getting "Operation not permitted" now... I think they killed it. :P

      I do notice that the index page is now "..." so maybe someone overwrote it.

    23. Re:Check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah I thought that was your doing ..

    24. Re:Check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, what did you do? ;)

    25. Re:Check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing, unfortunately! Looks like they've twigged it. Either that or someone else has broken in to secure it ..!

  19. Can't wait by darnok · · Score: 2, Funny

    Norton Spam Filter 2004, now with haiku filtering! Guaranteed to filter 100% of spam, as long as the Internet doesn't resort to copyright infringement...

    You know I really tried, but I just can't weave a SCO comment into this message...

    1. Re:Can't wait by JudeanPeople'sFront · · Score: 1
      C'mon, that one is easy! Instead of haiku, filters should let trough SCO-copyrighted source code. Any spammer using it to get trough the filters will receive a letter from Mr. Boies soon. We _know_ SCO are serious about protecting their intellectual property :)

      Good enough?

  20. translation of article header by JimBobJoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The idea is that a spammer using said haiku to get through spamfilters can be prosecuted under the more stringent copyright laws instead of the weaker antispam ones.

    Which should read:

    The idea is that a spammer using said haiku to get through spamfilters can be prosecuted under the more stringent laws that are difficult to enforce instead of the weaker laws which have proven so hard to enforce.

    I'm amused by the idea, but it seems to me that if you couldn't get (find) them under anti-spam laws (especially the newest ones) then how could you get them on copyright laws? Are the new anti-spam laws so lacking in punishment that they pale in comparison to copyright laws?

    1. Re:translation of article header by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Until recently, nobody was really sure if spam was legal or not. There were basically no laws. Now there's the Can-Spam act, which says you can spam all you like as long as you provide a way of confirming live addresses to be resold (the traditional 'unsubscribe' mechanisim).

      OTOH, Copyright Law (as demonstrated by the RIAA) is a free licence to shut down any site or identify any end user with little more than a fax to the user's ISP.

      Exactly the kind of tool we need to combat spammers, and good on Habeus for finding a way to apply it.

    2. Re:translation of article header by ezraekman · · Score: 2, Informative
      Are the new anti-spam laws so lacking in punishment that they pale in comparison to copyright laws?

      In short, yes. CAN-SPAM, for the most part, weakened our ability to go after spammers, rather than strengthening it. It takes precedence over existing spam laws, and removes the power from individuals to go after spammers, even if a state law would have allowed them to. Copyright laws give the power back to the people, as it were.

    3. Re:translation of article header by amcguinn · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Copyright laws give the power back to the people, as it were.
      No they don't.

      The flaw with this scheme is that while it tries to stop you from being spammed, you have no recourse if you are spammed. The only party that can act is this essentially uninvolved third party which holds the copyright.

      In other words, it has exactly the same problem you've (correctly) identified in CAN-SPAM.

      Secondly, when it succeeds it's a bad precedent. It eats away at the principle of "reverse engineering for compatibility", that was upheld in the garage-door-opener case. Exactly the same technique could be used to restrict access to other kinds of services. The fact that this instance is in a "good cause" doesn't change the principles.

      It comes back to my first point: the only person with authority to say who accesses my servers is me.

    4. Re:translation of article header by Myopic · · Score: 1

      i don't know the details of either law, but if RIAA can demand a zillion dollars for a handful of shared MP3s, then imagine what this company could demand for ten million infringing spam emails!

    5. Re:translation of article header by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes. apparently you missed the news that spam has actually increased since the federal anti-spam laws, as it actually allows certain spams and overrules stronger state laws in many parts of the United States

    6. Re:translation of article header by cgenman · · Score: 1

      Would it be possible to have a haiku as an e-mail address, and sue for copyright infringement if it is used in a way that disagrees with a license on your site? The license might be enough to show why it hasn't slipped into the public domain...

  21. Rule #1. by valentyn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Habeas mark is just a way of making money, it has nothing to do with opt-in or responsible e-mailing. I've tried to contact Habeas in the past about a company that used their mark, while they did not correctly verify their opt-in mailadresses. There was no reply (and IIRC, their web form didn't work at all at the time).

    --
    my other sig is a 500 page novel
    1. Re:Rule #1. by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      There was no reply (and IIRC, their web form didn't work at all at the time)

      And ya don't think those two facts are somehow related?

    2. Re:Rule #1. by ortholattice · · Score: 1
      If this is true then Habeas is really screwing themselves. The only thing Habeas has got going for it is its reputation, and if it does not aggressively address complaints about its customers who violate their policy, it's reputation will become ruined. Let's see - there's your report, there are the spammers they are currently pursuing, and there is the worrisome "Easy to defeat...." earlier post by DrPepper about Joe-Jobs (now that's clever; I wonder if some spammer will patent it). More and more it seems the Habeas headers are becoming something to blacklist rather than whitelist.

      Has anyone ever found whitelisting Habeas useful? It sounds like it's supposed to be a way to receive just barely tolerable opt-out-able advertisements. The benefit to me seems marginal, and by whitelisting them I'm doing them a favor by agreeing to receive the "polite" advertisements of their customers. It won't take much to push me over the edge and blacklist them. I have to take your post at face value and have no way to verify what you say, but it is still enough to push me closer to that edge.

      Someone from Habeas should respond to the parent post. Otherwise they're going into my blacklist. So far I have received nothing useful through their service that I can recall, and I don't need more advertisements, not even "non-spam" ones, especially if they ignore complaints like yours.

    3. Re:Rule #1. by phil+reed · · Score: 1
      Someone from Habeas should respond to the parent post. Otherwise they're going into my blacklist. So far I have received nothing useful through their service that I can recall,

      My Baysian filter has already decided that anything coming in with a Habeas header is spam, and I've seen nothing from them that would make me believe differently. Sorry, Habeas, you lose.

      --

      ...phil
      "For a list of the ways which technology has failed to improve our quality of life, press 3."
  22. I know, it's annoying by DrSkwid · · Score: 1


    When people spend an eternity not making sense

    --
    There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
  23. Example of a bounce back by JumperCable · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The bastards evidently used my e-mail address as the spoofed sender for some of them (I don't think they like the fact that I report them to spam cop & the ftc). Their website points to www.pharmacourt.biz.

    vvvvvvv bounceback example below vvvvvvvvvvv
    Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:09:15 -0600 (CST)
    From: "Internet Mail Delivery" Add to Address Book
    Subject: Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed
    To: xxxx@xxxxxxx.com

    This report relates to a message you sent with the following header
    fields:

    Return-path:
    Received: from ims-ms-daemon.nlpmail02.prodigy.net.mx by
    nlpmail02.prodigy.net.mx
    (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003))
    id
    (original mail from xxxxx@xxxxxxx.com); Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:09:15
    -0600 (CST)
    Received: from nlpproxy06 (nlpproxy06.prodigy.net.mx [148.235.52.96])
    by nlpmail02.prodigy.net.mx
    (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003))
    with ESMTP id for
    kelvin@prodigy.net.mx; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:09:14 -0600 (CST)
    Received: from d57-133-185.home.cgocable.net
    (d57-133-185.home.cgocable.net [24.57.133.185])
    by smtp.prodigy.net.mx (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21
    (built Sep 8
    2003)) with SMTP id ; Thu,
    15 Jan 2004 20:06:16 -0600 (CST)
    Received: from 230.152.186.144 by 24.57.133.185; Thu, 15 Jan 2004
    18:01:32 +0400
    Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:57:32 +0400
    From: xxxxxx xxxxxxxx
    Subject: Want
    =?UNKNOWN?B?UElMTHM/VmlhZ3JALFZhbO8odSltLCBY KGEpbk B4LA==?= Som@
    Di3t Pills Many M3ds Nexp
    To: xxxxxx@prodigy.net.mx
    Cc: xxx@prodigy.net.mx
    Reply-to: xxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
    Message-id:
    MIME-version: 1.0
    X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 1.5.4 (Mac)
    Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--143802402998831
    X-Priority: 5
    X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring
    X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated
    X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm)
    X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm)
    X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this
    X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas
    X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant
    X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this
    X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to .

    Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:

    Recipient address: xxxxxxx@ims-ms-daemon
    Original address: xxxxx@telmex.net.mx
    Reason: Over quota

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  24. Copyrighted spam by mutant+mouse · · Score: 3, Funny

    Next time Alan Ralsky will use copyrighted spam to bypass anti-spam filters. He will sue anti-spam companies and blacklists for including his copyrighted fake sender addresses, and also special characteristics and words like 5p4m or V14gr4.

  25. Extra SpamAssassin rules for this batch of spams by mehu · · Score: 5, Informative
    My roommate told me he was getting a bunch of spam last night that was going through SA. I noted that I hadn't. Of course, I got 2 today, and while looking through w/ -t to check everything (it should've been quite obvious), noticed the Habeas X-Headers in there, & found their little notice about this rash of spams. So, rather than just add a score of 0 for HABEAS_SWE, I figured I'd give them a chance & added the following to my ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs, which takes care of the current rash:
    body PHARMAWHAREHOUSE /pharmawharehouse.biz/
    describe PHARMAWHAREHOUSE Link to pharmawharehouse.biz

    body PHARMACOURT /pharmacourt.biz/
    describe PHARMACOURT Link to pharmacourt.biz

    body VALUEPOINTMEDS /valuepointmeds.biz/
    describe VALUEPOINTMEDS Link to valuepointmeds.biz

    score PHARMAWHAREHOUSE 10
    score PHARMACOURT 10
    score VALUEPOINTMEDS 10
    Looking through my mail, it turns out some of my valid mail actually does contain those headers (would never have noticed them), and a few spams, even w/ the haiku headers, have been blocked by HABEAS_VIOLATOR (RBL: Has Habeas warrant mark and on Infringer List), so the company does appear to be doing its job..
  26. Well, that was quick - site hacked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Classic. These folks are obviously having a bad day. First they get /.'d then there web site gets defaced. Can't say I'm upset about it, infact it made my night.

  27. next japanese technique by ]ix[ · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ok, so spammers are using haiku. If we only could convince them that harikiri is a spamfilter prevention technique....

    --
    This is my sig, show me yours
    1. Re:next japanese technique by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a spelling error in your sig (an extra s in Simpson)

    2. Re:next japanese technique by ]ix[ · · Score: 1

      tnx. Mayby thats why my karmas so low =)

      --
      This is my sig, show me yours
  28. Scaling Up? by windside · · Score: 3, Funny

    If they want to up the ante, maybe they should consider using some of the Emperor's Waka Poetry (more syllables == more boring).

    --
    ...Whether my Maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter.
    Churchill
    1. Re:Scaling Up? by fuzzybunny · · Score: 1

      Great--then Alan Ralsky wouldn't just have the FBI, CAUCE, Habeas' Lawyers, the FCC, and five hundred thousand magazine subscriptions and pepperoni pizza home deliveries to contend with, but he'd also be pursued by hordes upon hordes of the Emperor's deadly ninja assassin squad on his ass.

      --
      Cole's Law: Thinly sliced cabbage
  29. Disable habeas rule by mattiv · · Score: 5, Informative

    To disable the Habeas rule, edit file $HOME/.spamassassin/user_prefs
    add line

    score HABEAS_SWE 0

    1. Re:Disable habeas rule by Kevitt · · Score: 1

      Paying some shmo to use their copyrighted headers is a bad idea. All it's led to so far is a few spammers using those headers to get through SA with it's -8 default scoring, until I realized what was up. Obviously this is the intent, and obviously Spamassassin developers were taken in by it. I hope they come to their senses. Personally, I score habeas headers +8. Never had a single mail come through with habeas headers that wasn't spam. So yes I think it's time to start filtering habeas headers -- at least for now.

    2. Re:Disable habeas rule by ttyv0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This might not work as expected. Since SA assignes -8.0 score for Habeas rules, and default configuration for autolearning ham is -5.0, SA would have learnt that Habeas headers are associated with ham messages. As a result, Bayesian scores for _any_ message with these headers will score very low (50-60% probability even for the spammiest spam).

      I had to manually train SA by feeding it habeas headers and training as spam, until habeas headers were associated with enough spam AND ham messages.

      This balanced things out.

    3. Re:Disable habeas rule by gilgongo · · Score: 1

      I've probably missed something obvious, but what is the HABEAS_SWE rule doing there in the first place? Surely SA should be configured to check the Habeas white and black lists, not look for the haiku headers (which could be on ham or spam).

      Please can anyone help me out!

      --
      "And the meaning of words; when they cease to function; when will it start worrying you?"
  30. I've said it before, I'll say it again... by Dimensio · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's time that we started executing email spammers, and anyone who contracts email spammers.

    Spammers are sociopaths. They don't care that their efforts are always, without exception, criminal. They don't care that people don't want their junk. The best thing to do is to kill them and remove them from society.

    Hopefully someone will soon snap and put a bullet in Alan Ralsky's head, signaling the start of the true anti-spam revolution and doing a great favour to the world.

    1. Re:I've said it before, I'll say it again... by Nonillion · · Score: 1

      Amen brother! This is the reason I run my own mail server, if Alan Ralsky sends me an e-mail I just block the entire domain and only pass wanted e-mail addresses. Spammers are shit, will always be shit and will be nothing better than shit. If there were anyting lower than child molesters, animal abusers and spammers would fit the bill...

      --
      "I bow to no man" - Riddick
    2. Re:I've said it before, I'll say it again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen brother. While I do not condone murder, I agree that we should punish spam appropriately - by imposing the death penalty.

    3. Re:I've said it before, I'll say it again... by @madeus · · Score: 1

      Good idea. I vote we start a fun raiser (ala PayPal, but something less crooked) which people can annoymously donate to.

      When we raise enough we can hire a contract killer to do the hit (either from a usenet group like alt.contract.killers or from an ad in Solider of Fortune magazine).

      [ HHOS! ]

    4. Re:I've said it before, I'll say it again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, don't kill 'em all, make do something they'd REALLY hate, like community service.

    5. Re:I've said it before, I'll say it again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I vote we start a fun raiser

      fun alone won't cut it though, to hire an assasin you need to raise funds,( at least that's the way they do it in the movies)

    6. Re:I've said it before, I'll say it again... by @madeus · · Score: 2, Funny


      Hmm what if we hire a clown to do it? No one would suspect a clown...

    7. Re:I've said it before, I'll say it again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The spammers will soon leave good people with no other choice. Although I do not wish to kill someone or see someone dead because of spamming, I suspect that we will, soon, see a spammer if not dead, then beaten up pretty badly. I fear that I will not be concerned about another person suffering something like that. I fear that spammers one day will finally manage to bring out my darkest sides that were hidden away in my reptile brain somewhere. Maybe they want that to happen to me and other good people, because they felt lonely about it.

  31. a replacement haiku by Schlemphfer · · Score: 3, Funny

    they stole my haiku
    my moment of sartori
    sold fake viagra

    --
    I'm generally "Interesting," "Insightful," and even "Funny" here. What the hell happens to me at parties?
  32. huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm confused by all of this. How is Habeus forcing spammers to use their haiku when sending spam so that they can in turn sue those spammers?!

    I mean, if I'm going to use haiku to get past spam filters, I'll just write my own instead of a copyrighted one. They take all of 30 seconds to write a decent haiku. Am I missing something here?

    More, uh... why would a spammer say "Hey, I'm going to use this COPYRIGHTED HAIKU THAT SPECIFICALLY IS OWNED BY AN ANTI-SPAMMING OUTFIT TO SUE ME OVER" rather than write their own?!

    1. Re:huh? by Fafnir_b · · Score: 1

      They simply count on spammers adopting signatures that flag email messages as "not spam" in spam filters like spam assassin. Assume that in some group of people, eg slashdot readers and their friends, everybody includes the habeas haiku in their email headers to prove the non-spamminess (does this word exist?) of their mail and that popular spam filters include a positive rule (by that I mean a rule flagging a message as "not spam") for this haiku. Spammers need to get through as many anti-spam filters as possible,so they'll include the haiku in their spam messages. This copyright infringement can now be reported and prosecuted.

      That's what I think is their idea. Not too convinced it will work, though.

    2. Re:huh? by iantri · · Score: 1
      You ARE confused.

      Habeus provides a haiku for individuals and businesses (on contract) to use to send legitimate e-mail. SpamAssassin and other programs will use it to flag the e-mail as likely not spam.

      If spammers start using the Habeus haiku, Habeus will sue them. No more spam from the spammers.

      Writing your own won't do anything; the spam filters check for Habeus' haiku.

    3. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like the bullet solution mentioned earlier in the replies. This method of fighting seems more lame than most of the myths exposed on MythBusters.

  33. Stop the merchants! by AoT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The only way to stop spam is to "affect" the merchants whom outsource to spammers. This will stop the competition between Western merchants and make spamming unprofitable. Everyone! stop the merchants!!!!!

    1. Re:Stop the merchants! by FLEB · · Score: 1

      What happens, though, if someone spams your product without your consent, just to get you "affected"?

      --
      Information wants to be free.
      Entertainment wants to be paid.
      You just want to be cheap.
  34. Geeks with basic poetry skillz: Haiku verse form? by Qbertino · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Any /. geeks with basic poetry 'programming' skills here? I have a question:
    How exactly does the haiku verse form go?
    Like this?:

    ^_ ^_ _
    _ _ _^^_ _
    _ ^^_ ^_

    Please correct me if I'm wrong.
    Additional info
    Here the copyrighted Haiku - I believe the (tm) is part of it. :

    Winter into spring
    brightly anticipated
    like Habeas SWE (tm)

    --
    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
  35. Attack of Haiku-Resistant Killer Spam by leoaugust · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It just illustrates the lengths the spammers will go to, including taking on Habeas' proven legal capabilities, to distribute their spam.
    It is interesting that they tout their proven legal capabilities rather than "proven" technology. Will it be enough to stop the Attack of Haiku-Resistant Killer Spam. RIAA and SCO are trail blazers in using the legal system to stop ....
    Our patent-pending Sender Warranted Email(TM) service vets messages for legitimacy, guaranteeing that they're not spam.
    Guaranteeing? Sounds like a pretty tall claim now. Not to say what should happen to the pending-patent - a review of the claims perhaps ?
    Adding the IP addresses to the HIL (aka Habeas Blacklist) should not impact the legitimate mailing activities of the owners of the compromised PCs.
    It would be nice if it works well, but I am curious as to how they are going to distinguish from a single IP address whether the email was sent from the compromised PC when it was "alert" or when it was in a "zombie" state.
    Your reporting here of spam you've received with the Habeas Warrant Mark will help us track down and prosecute the responsible parties.
    Habeas - Welcome to the Party. In addition to the call for rounding up a posse, if you need some help from the Feds, write in to the FTC at uce@ftc.gov. Despite having the Federal powers to kick a**, I am not really sure how successful they have been.
    What Can I Do With the Spam in my In-Box? Report it to the Federal Trade Commission. Send a copy of unwanted or deceptive messages to uce@ftc.gov. The FTC uses the unsolicited emails stored in this database to pursue law enforcement actions against people who send deceptive spam email.

    Hey, and I forgot - What happened to the CAN-SPAM ? How long before we have Attacks of the CAN-SPAM-Resistant Killer Spam.

    --
    To see a world in a grain of sand, and then to step back and see the beach where the sand lies ...
    1. Re:Attack of Haiku-Resistant Killer Spam by Swanktastic · · Score: 1

      RE Patents, the company claims:
      Habeas' patent-pending Sender Warranted Email ("SWE") service works by trademarking and copyrighting a unique set of lines, known as the warrant mark, which is embedded in the headers of outgoing email, and which alerts receiving systems that the email is not spam and should be delivered.

      I'm sorry, but this is just a ridiculous abuse of the patent system. THE differentiating part of their business process is copyrighting their "password." I'm sorry, but you can't grant a patent that revokes competing firms legal right to copyright materials in conjunction with carrying out their business (whether it's the name of the product or integrated into the way the product works).

      I think these guys are doing a wonderful thing, but USPTO, please don't grant this patent!

  36. Copyrighted Haiku by perly-king-69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Every work created by you is copyrighted. The act of creating something gives you copyright. For instance, I own the copyright on this post.

    --

    --
    This sig is inoffensive.

    1. Re:Copyrighted Haiku by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Unless you create it at work, in which case the copyright most likely goes to your employer (read your contract! ;))

    2. Re:Copyrighted Haiku by horseleach · · Score: 1

      temp insanity overrules that.

    3. Re:Copyrighted Haiku by perly-king-69 · · Score: 1
      Quite - you can sign a contract which says that such-and-such owns copyright on any original work by you.

      Sometimes happens on message boards as well...

      --

      --
      This sig is inoffensive.

    4. Re:Copyrighted Haiku by Bilbo · · Score: 1
      > Quite - you can sign a contract which says that such-and-such owns copyright on any original work by you.

      Depends on what you sign, but I think in most cases you still own the "copyright", but you assign full rights over to such-and-such a party, such as your employer, or the owner of a message board such as Slashdot.

      The really ugly part is when you discover that even works created outside of work hours are owned by your employer! I seem to remember a couple of cases recently where people were working on Open Source projects on their own time, and suddenly discovered that their applications were owned by their company, and they didn't have rights to release those works under the GPL.

      --
      Your Servant, B. Baggins
  37. Some spam legitimate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Although I despise spam, clearly the CAN-SPAM bill would indicate that there are some situations in which unsolicited e-mail will be sent in the future that will be commonly accepted.

    Will spam be as large of a problem when the scummier segments of the market (header forgers/system exploiters/porn pushers) are made illegal? It's quite likely that we will learn to live with some forms of unsolicited e-mail on the Internet rather than eliminate it entirely, especially given the personality types that always seem to chase the fast buck without regard to other people's expense.

    1. Re:Some spam legitimate? by Dimensio · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Although I despise spam, clearly the CAN-SPAM bill would indicate that there are some situations in which unsolicited e-mail will be sent in the future that will be commonly accepted.

      No, it only indicates that a sufficient number of Congress slime balls were bribed by the criminal outfit known as the Direct Marketers Assocation. Email spam is, and always will be, theft. Spammers deserve death, without exception and regardless of any DMA-crafted "rules" that they claim to be following. Since spammers are always fundamentally dishonest, you can bet that they're not even following those rules.

      It's quite likely that we will learn to live with some forms of unsolicited e-mail on the Internet rather than eliminate it entirely, especially given the personality types that always seem to chase the fast buck without regard to other people's expense.

      This is why I advocate execution of email spammers. Kill the spammers, and you kill the problem. Header forging becomes irrelevant if any email spam, regardless of how or why its sent, merits death.

      Until it is legal to kill spammers, or until I finally snap and give Alan Ralsky, Eddie (or Eddy) Marin and the rest of the group what they truly deserve, I will respond to each and every junk email that I recieve with a nasty slew of complaints to the hosting ISPs for the sending IP address and for any website or email account involved. Should the spam continue, my complaints will only increase in number and frequency. I don't care what laws they claim to follow, spam is unethical, fraudulent and it amounts to stealing.

    2. Re:Some spam legitimate? by hkmwbz · · Score: 1
      If you know that you are going to snap anyway, why not just whip out the gun right now and go over to them? Try to get as many of them as possible before you go down. If you are arrested, people will probably gladly pay your legal bills. If you are shot by the cops, you'll be a martyr.

      You can't lose! The voices in your head command you... KILL-KILL-KILL...

      --
      Clever signature text goes here.
  38. FYI: The spammer's client had been hacked ... by p2sam · · Score: 3, Interesting

    http://pharmacourt.biz/about.html
    http://pharmaco urt.biz/contact.html

  39. You saw it here first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For future reference, the following self-reproducing header protects you from spam.

    X-Quine(c): (Lx.((Lx.x)x)) ((Lx.x)x)

    NB:
    "The American Haiku is not exactly the Japanese
    Haiku. The Japanese Haiku is strictly disciplined
    to seventeen syllables but since the language
    structure is different I don't think American
    Haikus (short three-line poems intended to be
    completely packed with Void of Whole) should worry
    about syllables because American speech is
    something again...bursting to pop.

    Above all, a Haiku must be very simple and free
    of all poetic trickery and make a little picture
    and yet be as airy and graceful as a Vivaldi
    Pastorella."
    Jack Kerouac

  40. New slashdot news header by TheJaff · · Score: 1
    Copyrighted Haiku Delivers Spam Through Filters
    Posted by
    michael on 2004-01-19 13:05 and 2003-11-04 19:45
    CmdrTaco on 2003-06-11 09:53 and 2003-03-01 21:01
    ...

    (Ok I know this isnt a dupe... :->)

    --
    28 days, 6 hours, 42 minutes and 12 seconds... that is when the world will end.
  41. Make sure your report to Habeas by p2sam · · Score: 4, Informative

    Since they will add the offender's on to the blacklist, make sure you report that spam at http://www.habeas.com/report. That way the next unfortunate receiver of that spam would have adjust their score accordingly.

    See: http://www.habeas.com/supportBlackList.html

    1. Re:Make sure your report to Habeas by doogieb · · Score: 1
      When I did this on the 14th of this month for one of these pharmacy emails, I got the following response:-
      Thank you for your email to Habeas!
      This message has been automatically generated in response to your email regarding "Habeas Misuse", a summary of which appears below.
      There is no need to reply to this message right now. Your ticket has been assigned an ID of [habeas.com 133550].
      Habeas has recently come under attack from an as yet unidentified spammer. The spammer is illegally utilizing the Habeas Warrant Mark in emails which are promoting several pharmacy websites. The attack began on Sunday January 11, 2004 at about 11am PT.
      Habeas is aggressively pursuing this incident to stop this illegal mailstream and to utilize the Habeas legal tools at our disposal to punish the responsible spammer for copyright and trademark violations.
      Thank you for reporting this abuse of our Warrant Mark to us. We appreciate all complaints concerning this incident, as they have already been extremely helpful in our investigation.
      With respect to Support requests:
      We are currently experiencing a backlog and will review your request in the order in which it was received.
      With respect to spam containing our headers:
      Please know that at Habeas we take the use of our trademark in spam very seriously, and that while we cannot report back to you directly and individually on the disposition of each submission, know that we will investigate and follow this through to a satisfactory conclusion - either the responsible party ceasing their infringing action, their being appropriately dealt with by their service provider, or, failing any satisfactory remedial action, listing in our Habeas Infringers List.
      Thank you,
      Habeas Support & Investigation Team
      --
      Doogie. If you can read this, my sig fell off
  42. Re:Geeks with basic poetry skillz: Haiku verse for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    haiku just go like this:

    5 syllables
    7 "
    5 "

  43. Locked and loaded brother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When do we do the driveby???

  44. Didn't do a very good job... by Dimensio · · Score: 1

    The main page is still up. The proper way to handle it would be to delete EVERYTHING from the webserver.

    1. Re:Didn't do a very good job... by p2sam · · Score: 1

      don't at me ... I didn't do it ...

    2. Re:Didn't do a very good job... by Zocalo · · Score: 2, Funny
      No, no, no...

      The *proper* way to do it is to delete everything from the server *except* for their customer's credit card and any other personal details. Those you put into the index.html file for the entire world to see and use as they see fit. It kills two birds with one stone you see; the spammer gets bitten, but more importantly a whole bunch of people might think twice before responding to a spam which is likely to be far more effective in the long run.

      --
      UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
    3. Re:Didn't do a very good job... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please see this comment for further information.

  45. Not far off... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I mean, you can't copyright email addresses, per se, but--image the haiku was copyright Joe Random Spammer, and, someone includes said haiku in some antispam software.

    Well, now Joe R. Spammer has an excellent infringement case against Antispam Inc., especially if JRS has otherwise CAN-SPAM legal spam (or, maybe, just legal spam in another country... Berne Convention Copyright baby).

    1. Re:Not far off... by mikechant · · Score: 1

      If this was the case, the anti-spam software doesn't have to include a plain-text version of the copyright haiku - an encrypted version or an MD3 hash or something would do the trick and not fall foul of copyright law.

  46. Haiku by eclectro · · Score: 2, Funny


    You beat the filter
    You have viagra for sale
    Now taste the bullet

    --
    Take the cheese to sickbay, the doctor should see it as soon as possible - B'Elanna Torres, "Learning Curve"
    1. Re:Haiku by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your spam insults me
      My penis is very large
      You will be goatse

  47. Legally dubious by Mammothrept · · Score: 2, Informative

    OK, I hate spam as much as the next homicidally enraged Slashdot reading spamee. Habeas' business plan though is legally dubious at least with respect to copyright law. The trademark thing, though, just might fly.

    The purpose of copyright law is to protect original works of expression. There are also built in limitations the most notable of which is fair use. There is no bright line definition of fair use but quoting a few lines of Haiku hardly seems unfair. The attempt by a private party to turn copyright law into a de facto anti-spam law is not likely to be upheld. Congress wrote a copyright law. Congress also wrote an anti-spam law. If Congress wanted to use copyright law to stop spam, it presumably could have figured out how to write such a law. It did not.

    The trademark angle is more promising. The purpose of trademark law is to identify the source of goods in trade. Insofar as Habeas' goods are emails that it warrants are free of spam, it would be a trademark infringement for another company to identify the source of their spam as Habeas.

    1. Re:Legally dubious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they do load up the verification lines with "(tm)", which could help.

      Also they have the bit about "The sender of this email in exchange for a license for this Habeas warrant mark... (etc.)"

  48. Re:What slashdot doesn't want you to know! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is this? With all the other vibrant posts on slashdot, it's had for me to even consider what would be worth censoring. I smell evil.

  49. Re:Extra SpamAssassin rules for this batch of spam by mutende · · Score: 2, Informative
    body PHARMAWHAREHOUSE /pharmawharehouse.biz/
    describe PHARMAWHAREHOUSE Link to pharmawharehouse.biz

    Please note that there is not such domain as pharmawharehouse.biz. Habeas has missspelt the name on the web page, the proper domain is pharmawarehouse.biz.

    --
    Unselfish actions pay back better
  50. Right - and next they'll sue me? by iion_tichy · · Score: 1

    Or am I mistaking the idea, that I should be using one of their Haikus in all of my mails, so that I don't get filtered? So either I have to pay them for the right to use it, or they can sue me at any time?

    Interesting idea, but not likely to work. The biggest problem is that usually we can't identify the spammers anyway, so we couldn't sue them either.

    1. Re:Right - and next they'll sue me? by sa3 · · Score: 1

      They give out free licences to individuals.

  51. Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...instead of blocking the spam everyone should just reply to each message and then go and visit the site(s). The slashdot effect should take care of their servers for the next day or so. When then come back, we repeat. To make this the permanent solution there could be a link to the spam site of the hour next to every post on slashdot.

    And after all, who wouldn't want a penis extension, loads of porn and some viagra after a long day at work?

  52. Why should the spammers worry about copyright? by MROD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now, we've seen spammers use a copyrighted poem in their spam headers. I'd like to know how much they're worried about being taken to court about this. After all, they're not exactly on the right side of the law already...

    (1) They subvert other people's computers to relay spam: illegal in most juristictions.
    (2) They send out viruses and worms to break into other people's computers: illegal in most juristictions.

    So, if they're already doing two illegal things, why should they worry about a third?

    --

    Agrajag: "Oh no, not again!"
    1. Re:Why should the spammers worry about copyright? by WuphonsReach · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed... and it's something that I think a lot of folks miss. Creating yet another law will not stop X, but it might make it easier to prosecute once X has happened. However, whenever you create a new law to prosecute X, there's a high chance of the system being subverted to also allow Y and Z to be prosecuted, or weirdness where X doesn't get addressed at all.

      Spam, in particular, is a combination of technical (SMTP is too trusting), economic (receiver pays the majority of the costs), and social (willing to do anything, don't care about existing laws).

      On the technical side, there's small rays of hope. Reverse-MX proposals (SPF, LMAP) or Yahoo!'s domain-keys are trying to eliminate the Mack-truck sized loophole that allows domains to be forged and companies to be joe-job'd. This should also put a dent in the e-mail worm/spam problem or at least force those machines to route e-mail through a (likely) better-administered SMTP server. Bayesian seems to be working well still and has a bit of life left (multi-word / markov bayesian is probably next). Whitelisting of domains gets easier once the forging issue is taken care of. IP blacklists are still around (don't care for them personally, like hunting flies with a shotgun). We may even see e-mail get as far as requiring public-key signatures along with web-of-trust. I'd say that all e-mail will be required to be encrypted to each recipient's private key, but gov'ts would probably nix that. Individually, none of these technical proposals make much of an impact, but each one closes up yet another loophole.

      Social-side I'm not sure of what is going to make a difference. Too many countries involved with different social mores or laws (or lack thereof).

      Economic sanction is possible, but currently it's easy-as-sin to joe-job your competition - so there's a high risk of false-accusations. Plus, it's easy to move the stuff off-shore and out of reach of authorities. However, as some of the technical means come into mainstream it will hopefully drive spammer costs up (having to register new domains all the time, etc.).

      --
      Wolde you bothe eate your cake, and have your cake?
  53. pharmacourt.biz hacked? by stevenp · · Score: 2, Informative

    Has someone of the slashdotters already hacked the pharmacourt.biz site?
    This is what I find at their products page: We are some stupid spammers!!

    1. Re:pharmacourt.biz hacked? by l0wland · · Score: 2, Informative
      If you had read the thread from the beginning, you might have noticed this reaction. Also the contents of the about- and contact-pages have been altered.

      BTW, as you are implying, this does not necissarily mean that one of the Slashdot-readers is responsible.

      --

      "Honey, I feel a certain distance between us..." "Really? A 31ms ping ain't that bad..."
  54. Here's some Haiku for Habeas. by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    Like a dying wind Habeas screams to the sky But they're still worthless Experience says The Habeas Haiku means "This Message is Spam" Habeas Haiku To some, touching poetry Me, I filter it.

    1. Re: Here's some Haiku for Habeas. by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oops.. .forgot my linebreaks

      Like a dying wind
      Habeas screams to the sky
      But they're still worthless


      Experience says
      The Habeas Haiku means
      "This Message is Spam"

      Habeas Haiku
      To some, touching poetry
      Me, I filter it.

    2. Re: Here's some Haiku for Habeas. by CycleMan · · Score: 1
      Oops.. .forgot my linebreaks

      If you previewed first
      This would never have happened
      Penguin drinking tea

  55. Re:Seems to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who modded this insightful? You obviously don't know what this is about.

    It works like this:

    The haikus are copyrighted by Habeas. Their customers pay for the right to include them in their mail headers, which will let that mail go straight through spam filters.

    If a spammer uses a copyrighted haiku, Habeas put them on a block list, which is checked by Spamassassin.

    Unlike other RBLs, Habeas can then sue spammers for copyright infringement, and win. It's one way of making money and kick some butt at the same time.

    If you don't like what they are doing, turn off the haiku rules in your spam filter.

    Simple enough for you?

  56. Haiku in the fight for spam? by mabu · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Habeas plan
    Most ineffective effort
    Ever to stop spam

    (c) 2004 Mabu
    ALL RIGHTS RESERVED!

    1. Re:Haiku in the fight for spam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Habeas plan
      Most ineffective effort
      Ever to stop spam

      muhahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
      I copy your work with impunity!

  57. Stupid construct by peope · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The haikus do not have any real creative value. They exist for a purpose I do not believe the legislators in most countries had in mind when they wrote the laws.

    People are not interested in the value of the haikus. People are just using it as a key to check for clean mail.

    Using copyright law in this context is imho pervertion of the law.

    Purpose might or might not be an issue for the law depending on country.

    Just give the spammers jailtime for spamming.

    1. Re:Stupid construct by darkonc · · Score: 1
      Using copyright law in this context is imho pervertion of the law.

      There are many uses of law that are a perversion of the law. At least this is a perversion of the law that is intended to provide some value to the public.

      If all goes well, these guys should be able to get an injunction against the people doing this stuff, and perhaps even get a pre-emptive lien against their MasterCard/Visa account. That would hit them where it hurts, and possibly discourage this sort of attack.

      --
      Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
    2. Re:Stupid construct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. This is no different from Nintendo (or Sony, don't remember which) requiring a bitmap of their logo to be at a certain address in the game's ROM before booting it and then suing any unauthorized game developers for copyright/trademark infringement. As I recall, they lost that case, and rightly so.

      Quit screwing around with cheesy legal hacks and fix the damn SMTP protocol already!

  58. I love it when a haiku comes together by Channard · · Score: 1
    plain jibber jabber

    You are Mister T.
    I claim my five pounds.
    PS. Someone stole your van.

  59. The HIL is effective by mlyle · · Score: 1

    The Habeas Infringers List seems to be effective and well updated. I've received a total of 13 spams with the Habeas headers, and 11 of them scored +4 for spam like so:

    HABEAS_HIL (4.0 points) RBL: Sender is on www.habeas.com Habeas Infringer List

    The problem is that not enough legitimate mail contains the warranty. More commercial licensors would give Habeas greater resources to track infringers and would also make the Habeas mark a much better indicator of spam.

    1. Re:The HIL is effective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there in lies the problem... why pay habeas to send email when you can already do so for free?

      IMHO, lawsuits against spammers are the only way people will accept them making money. And of course, if they do too good a job, that means they will make themselves obsolete (which I suppose is true of any anti-spam company).

  60. Look at the dates fool. by fred87 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Main article refers to a spam attack started in 2004, your link refers to a spam attack in 2003, so i find it unlikely that they are referring to the same case unless habeus have a time machine.

    1. Re:Look at the dates fool. by Kelson · · Score: 1

      The point being that they've won before, making it more likely that they'll win this time.

  61. Spam and AI by gbulmash · · Score: 2, Insightful
    A bunch of neat scientific advances came out of the space program (Mercury / Apollo) because necessity is the mother of invention. There were very specific problems that needed to be solved and inordinate amounts of brainpower were thrown at solving them.

    Now comes the spam wars... Once again, a specific problem that must be solved: "How do we develop a method of letting legitimate mail get to us while filtering out spam with a minimum of error?" We don't have the government throwing billions at it, but because it affects the general public, there's an inordinate amount of businesses, academics, and hobbyists throwing brainpower at it.

    Despite all the talk about keys and legal threats, verifications and warrants, they just provide hurdles to be overcome, not true barriers to spamming.

    But you could train a person to screen your mail with a better level of efficiency than any spam filter on the market today. And that person could catch new spam tricks before they ever got through to you.

    As we continuously try to develop better and better filtering systems, I believe that the war against spam could well be be our most prolific source of advances in artificial intelligence. Spammers will throw (purchased) brainpower at coming up with ways to defeat filters and filters will have to get smarter in response.

    I know, I know... You could say that I'm looking for the silver lining in this hailstorm of unsolicited pitches. But really, am I so far off? We've got a problem, we're throwing resources at solving it... like the space race, like the arms race, technologies will come out of the spam race that will have amazing implications for our lives.

    I hate spam. I would love to be left alone in a room with a spammer, a car battery, and some jumper cables. But at the same time, it's sort of neat to be watching this battle progress.

    Greg

  62. Geek Haiku by Slowtreme · · Score: 1

    LOLOL
    ROFLMAO
    STFU Fag

    --
    Post: Sigged, for your pleasure.
  63. Don't be foolish... by chuckw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It would be foolish to turn off the habeas checking in spamassassin, or otherwise filter out based on the habeas mark for 2 reasons:

    1) Habeas has shown a commitment to actually *EXPEND* The resources to go after spammers. If you dimish the value of the habeas mark by filtering out email with their mark in it, then they have nothing to protect. I personally don't have time to go after spammers. Anyone who has a proven track record of winning against spammers (which habeas has) should be encouraged!

    2) There is a large number of users who have added the habeas mark to their e-mail headers based on the assumption that it was a protected mark that would ensure their mail *WASN'T* filtered out. If you start filtering on that mark you *WILL* falsely filter out a lot of legitimate mail.

    A previous poster named Mehu, posted an excellent solution to the problem if you're using spamassassin:

    "So, rather than just add a score of 0 for HABEAS_SWE, I figured I'd give them a chance & added the following to my ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs, which takes care of the current rash:

    body PHARMAWHAREHOUSE /pharmawharehouse.biz/
    describe PHARMAWHAREHOUSE Link to pharmawharehouse.biz

    body PHARMACOURT /pharmacourt.biz/
    describe PHARMACOURT Link to pharmacourt.biz

    body VALUEPOINTMEDS /valuepointmeds.biz/
    describe VALUEPOINTMEDS Link to valuepointmeds.biz

    score PHARMAWHAREHOUSE 10
    score PHARMACOURT 10
    score VALUEPOINTMEDS 10

    Looking through my mail, it turns out some of my valid mail actually does contain those headers (would never have noticed them), and a few spams, even w/ the haiku headers, have been blocked by HABEAS_VIOLATOR (RBL: Has Habeas warrant mark and on Infringer List), so the company does appear to be doing its job.."


    -Chuck

    --
    *Condense fact from the vapor of nuance*
    1. Re:Don't be foolish... by kindbud · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you start filtering on that mark you *WILL* falsely filter out a lot of legitimate mail.

      Incorrect. This spam was the first to reach my site bearing any Habeas mark. The Habeas mark, to my knowledge, has not kept any spam out of my co-worker's inboxes, nor has it made sure that any wanted mails made it through the filters. Our sole experience with the Habeas mark has been this infringing spammers using it to bypass our filter. We bounce 400 spams/minute with scores over 10, just to give you an idea of how much mail we get, and therefore how rare a properly used Habeas mark really is at our site.

      The Habeas rule stays off. I will not trust 3rd parties to tell me who is playing nice. I will not use negative-scored public-knowledge rules anymore, either.

      --
      Edith Keeler Must Die
    2. Re:Don't be foolish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On a system where we were getting literally hundreds of these false Habeas mails, the only SMART solution was to at least TEMPORARILY turn off HABEAS_SWE (set score to 0). I really didn't understand people claiming that this was a bad thing to do:

      SA had proven that at the very least there was no good reason to score on the HABEAS marks: The marks appeared in both spam and non-spam, thus, the type of email is indistinguishable if the only test you had was Habeas, and thus the score for that should have been zero.

      As for the "what about future emails that use the Habeas mark?" Well, I'm not penalizing them, so they've got the same chance as every other email out there to win on their own merits, and I'm DEFINITELY not here to make someone else's business plan work, so the "you're weakening the power of Habeas as an effective tool" arguement is ever so much dumbassitude.

    3. Re:Don't be foolish... by chuckw · · Score: 1

      "Incorrect. This spam was the first to reach my site bearing any Habeas mark."

      Are you saying that since you haven't actually seen a legitimate use of the HABEAS mark, then there are no legitimate users of the mark?

      -Chuck

      --
      *Condense fact from the vapor of nuance*
    4. Re:Don't be foolish... by kindbud · · Score: 1

      No, I am saying that Habeas has done nothing at my site but allow spam to bypass the SpamAssassin filters. It has not, at least as far back as my logs go, allowed any legit mails to come through that might have otherwise been stopped. As far back as my logs go, the only HABEAS_SWE rule hits were from the spammer. Therefore: good-bye HABEAS_SWE rule.

      --
      Edith Keeler Must Die
  64. The Only Real Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I think it is time that we look into developing a real solution to spam.

    The problem is that, just like the postal service, you can put whatever you want for a return address on the outside of the envelope and drop the letter in one of those blue mailboxes and it will get delivered without anyone in the process caring.

    Currently, everyone is trying to figure out what the magic bullet is to fix this at the delivery end. But no one has bothered to think that it is the process itself that allows this to continue.

    Therefore the solution is that SMTP needs to be changed.

    An idea would be to maybe offer a secure transport in which every part of the process puts a certificate into the message and a corresponding entry in a log. (Yeah, I know. Alot of overhead per hop but...) The idea would be that if you got spammed that would be a path to follow back until it broke. That server would then be checked for the origionation of the message and the problem fixed. This would thereby for your email address to be real before it was sent and the path would be traceable back to you.

    Well, that is my 2.

    Anonymous Coward who can't find his username and password cause it is in my email at home.

    1. Re:The Only Real Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it is time that we look into developing a real solution to spam.

      Hahahaha! You think so? Genius!

  65. Thanks for the tips ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    i saw slashdot in my refferer links so i came here and see all these anti-spammers telling me how it works and giving me great tips on how to make my spam get through the filters

    and i get free advertising here as thousands of techies will visit the links

    thank you very much

    A.Spammer

  66. Re:Seems to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their customers pay for the right to include them in their mail headers, which will let that mail go straight through spam filters.

    You just said it yourself, genius.

    Go think about it.

  67. Haiku = spam by jridley · · Score: 1

    Several of my friends on a mailing list retain a large corpus of emails for analysis (a couple years worth, many tens of thousands of emails).
    After seeing this, they went through and determined that they had NEVER received a ham email with this in it, but had started receiving spam with it.

    As a result, they now have added SpamAssassin rules to make this be a near-sure indication of spam.

    1. Re:Haiku = spam by sa3 · · Score: 1

      Looking at my mailboxes, Habeas headers are being used legitimately in mailing lists (gentoo and the lkml)

  68. The Only Solution by PhreakinPenguin · · Score: 1

    The only solution to gettting rid of the majority of spam is to only allow email from people you put on your list. It would be a pain in the ass, but I'd bet alot of people would rather do that then sort through the hundreds of emails they get a day.

    --


    My sig of choice is Marlboro
    1. Re:The Only Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess a prospective new addition would have to phone you in advance? So you would have to post not only your email but your phone number too?

      I guess your website is only visited by people you know.

  69. My solution: by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


    > Now comes the spam wars... Once again, a specific problem that must be solved: "How do we develop a method of letting legitimate mail get to us while filtering out spam with a minimum of error?" We don't have the government throwing billions at it, but because it affects the general public, there's an inordinate amount of businesses, academics, and hobbyists throwing brainpower at it.

    Develop an AI that can read your mail and decide if the sender wants money. That way you can filter out hit-ups from your deadbeat friends, as well as spam.

    --
    Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  70. I decided to read a spam.. by Epistax · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I decided to actually read a spam yesterday. What I found was amazing: Almost every other word was not spelled correctly. Random characters seemed to be inserted throughout. Now I need to ask myself, why wasn't this picked up by spam filters? How much more obvious can you get?

    1) is the subject matter adult? yes
    2) is it written like a five year old? yes

    This doesn't seem that hard to me.

    1. Re:I decided to read a spam.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I decided to actually read a slashdot comment yesterday. What I found was amazing: Almost every other word was not spelled correctly. Random characters seemed to be inserted throughout. Now I need to ask myself, why wasn't this picked up by lame filters? How much more obvious can you get?

      1) is the subject matter adult? yes
      2) is it written like a five year old? yes

      This doesn't seem that hard to me.

    2. Re:I decided to read a spam.. by agentforsythe · · Score: 1

      ok, try writing a set of parsing rules to match against that...

    3. Re:I decided to read a spam.. by dspyder · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you're using spamassassin, check out a really neat set of rules called "Popcorn, Backhair & Weeds" written by one Jennifer Wheeler. Various versions are available on Chris' SA Rules Emporium. She's got a new one out called ChickenPox that seems to do a similar thing with punctuation.

      You RegEx fans should check it out... it's a masterpiece!

      --D

      p.s. Define for me (in terms a computer can follow), what it means to write like a 5 year old.

    4. Re:I decided to read a spam.. by Epistax · · Score: 1

      p.s. Define for me (in terms a computer can follow), what it means to write like a 5 year old.

      Words misspelled often so that they are phonetic instead of correctly. Such as hard C's being replaced with K's, soft C's being replaced with S's, vowels being switched to phonetically match. Q's replaced with K's or C's. Y's ending words replaced with WY's.
      (giggle) Numerous exclamation marks following every sentence, then followed by ones. The word "the" constantly replaced by "teh"...(/giggle)

  71. (VERY OT) Your sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know you disguised it as a public service announcement, but anyone who sets their site or sig to Last Measure is an enemy. DO NOT TRUST THOSE WHO PUSH LAST MEASURE! MOD PARENT DOWN

    1. Re:(VERY OT) Your sig by evilviper · · Score: 1

      I put plenty of warnings, and made no attempt to hide the destination of the link (a redirect would be quite easy).

      Yes, it is a public-service announcement. If you've been around long, you know I've been complaining about Javascript to a lot of people for a long time, and they are all convinced that their Mozilla/Firebird popup blocker fixes everything that is wrong with javascript.

      This link proves in a second what hours upon hours of typing never seemed to convince anyone of.

      Not to say that this is the worst thing that can be done with javascript, but it's a decent example.

      --
      Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
  72. /. these bastards! by DocSnyder · · Score: 1
    Now they are slashdotted...

    At least pharmacourt.biz is still responding to well - c'mon, let's /. these spammers like they are /.ing our email accounts!

    #!/bin/sh
    while true; do
    wget http://www.pharmacourt.biz/ -O /dev/null
    wget http://www.valuepointmeds.biz/ -O /dev/null
    done

  73. Re:Hating Habeas' Haikus? Here's Help by CVD1979 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Nice rip-off of Edgar Allan Poe's "The Raven" :)

    --
    "Want some rye? 'Course you do!" - Return to Zork
  74. haiku by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    haiku, what's it about? is it good or is it whack?

  75. can't poison the bayesian filters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My ISP doesn't have any problems, and I don't either. I've got 7 public addresses, including those on 3 different websites, I get fewer than a dozen spams per month, out of 300 or 400 legitimate ones.

    The trick is to spend a little folding green for a real product. One that has thresholds, white and black lists, and a quarantine from which to rescue or kill mail. And there are commercial products for BSDs and Linux, not just Exchange.

    Free can be great, but sometimes it pays to buy a polished product. This is one of them, and this is a phony article.

  76. Re:Geeks with basic poetry skillz: Haiku verse for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the 5,7,5 comes from where Japanese used only this many characters (which does NOT map to syllables).

    It is most common to use 5,7,5 syllables in english, though it isn't a do or die rule. 17 (total) syllables is most common, but I have also seen 14 and 12 syllables. I have seen 3 lines (most common) as well as 1 and 2 lines (Note: the 1 liner was 17 syllables long).

    I have a friend that wrote a haiku in a contest and got a "didn't follow the rules" award. I don't remember what he did/didn't do, but he displayed the award like the leg lamp in "A Christmas Story".

  77. A Plan for Spam by CVD1979 · · Score: 0

    Why not have /. display a spamvertized website each week and all us spam-hating-/.-regulars can visit this site each time we visit /.? I'd actually be inclined to make a script that would download the new link once a week and requests the page say every hour or so. And of course would pipe the site directly to /dev/null. That way spamvertized website would have a week of greatly increased bandwidth-usage. That's what will cost them, since bandwidth still isn't really cheap.

    The Slashdot-effect for fighting Spam! Let's make them pay! :)

    --
    "Want some rye? 'Course you do!" - Return to Zork
  78. Bart says: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unpossible!

  79. Overly eager to link? by TheFairElf · · Score: 1

    What I don't understand is why the story inlcudes the links to the sites advertised in the spam. I understand that you provide links etc when you submit a story but this is going too far

    1. Re:Overly eager to link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so we can do one of two things; /. them, or hack them. or both

  80. A question about Zombies.. by nolife · · Score: 1

    The article states..
    It is interesting that this spam attack appears to be originating from a distributed set of zombie cable/DSL modems that someone likely took over in a past virus attack.

    Can someone describe one of these "Zombie" networks or exactly how common they are. I frequently hear from an attacked party claiming a zombie network is responsible for something but never hear the a single vendor, firewall, ISP, OS, /., antivirus, or any type of response or description from anyone including the popular security mailing lists. Do these networks really exist somewhere? I would think if they were really that common and easy to setup and control, the security community would have more details on these things and more dialog would appear in the security community about them. Maybe it is common knowledge to everyone except me, if so, lucky thing I am not doing IT security..

    --
    Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
    1. Re:A question about Zombies.. by Ken+McE · · Score: 1

      Steve Gibson gives long, clear review of how zombies work, how a thirteen year old with attitude and his own private zombie army took Steve off the net:

      http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm

      Sobig virus was not random act, several time-limited versions were released into the wild, after each field test the next gen. improved on the last. These articles talk about how they captured unsecure machines, rooted them, put them to work DDOSing antispam outfits, installed mail servers or websites on the newly owned machines:

      http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,112261 ,0 0.asp

      or:

      http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/56/33721.ht ml

      Mercenary crackers hire out to spammers:

      http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,60747, 00 .html?tw=wn_story_related

    2. Re:A question about Zombies.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      A Zombie network is basically a network of compromised (Mostly windows, but I have seen botnets consisting of unsecured linux hosts, as well.) machines on home or university broadband connections. They are *very* common, and are almost always used in DDoS attacks. Common "bots" you'll see are litmus and sub7. Fizzer was also an (failed) attempt at creating a *HUGE* botnet. They're easy to set up and control because the average home user knows nothing about properly securing their machine. The reason you dont hear from firewall/antivirus vendors about this sort of thing is because the average "zombie" host runs neither, which is usually why it got infected in the first place. Updating/patching one's OS of choice helps, too.

      Though I am loath to point traffic to this idiot, Steve Gibson's Site gives an interesting, though sensational story of being a DDoS victim (this guy is by and large full of shit, but he does tell a pretty decent story)

      I hope this helped clarify things a bit, though if you'd like first-hand experience with zombie networks and the kiddies who run them, I would suggest visiting EFnet

  81. One problem... by artemis67 · · Score: 1

    Not quite, the spams are selling a product at some point, someone is somehow receiving payment for doing the advertising and there is where you get them, whether it be the actual spammer or the company being advertised.

    But what happens when your competitor decides to send out spam in your company's name? Habeas files suit against your competitor.

    In fact, I can see spammers sending out a LOT of "bogus" spam with the haiku headers in order to get Habeus tied up in so many misguided lawsuits as to bankrupt them or otherwise marginalize their threat.

    Sure, it's a cool idea, but the execution is fraught with problems.

  82. Re:Extra SpamAssassin rules for this batch of spam by Saint+Aardvark · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the tip -- I had originally turned off scoring for Habeas, but I felt like I was giving in. Didn't occur to me to look for a common URL...

  83. You mean stop the fraud by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not sure how serious you are, but since even a stopped clock is right twice a day I'll have to agree at least with the literal interpretation of your posting.

    If law enforcement generally were applied to the sellers of spamvertised products, spam would become far less of a menace. Most spamvertised products are prima faciae illegal (ie, you can't get prescription medications without a prescription), false advertising (a sugar pill won't give you a 12" penis) or are actually just fraud schemes to take money and not deliver a product.

    Tracking down email senders is extremely difficult due to header forgery and the use of zombies and other kinds of compromised systems. But just about all spam will take a credit card, which should enable tracking of a financial trail to the sellers. If the Feds would make a RICO case out of it, they could ensnare just about anyone with their finger in the pie, including the spammers, who I'm sure would be fingered by sellers caught in the net.

    A few RICO cases that put the squeeze on ISPs, banks handling their financial transactions, spammers, and most importantly, sellers and suppliers of these products would have a pretty significant effect on the whole "scam 'n' spam" business environment. I think there's probably some otherwise legitimate players (ISPs, banks) participating in this field behind the scenes, and some negative exposure in a few of these cases could close the door to a lot of "operators" who need access to the legitimate economy in order to operate.

    It's pretty clear that nobody likes spam, but the fact that there have been no high-profile FBI/Treasury/Commerce investigations into some of these things really puzzles me. It may be that the investigations have been done but this angle was deemed not fruitful (doubtful), resources aren't available due to the war on terror (more likely, but not entirely credible), or political pressure has been applied by heavy corporate players to keep their shady business segments viable (somewhat conspiratorial, but believable) -- yet even these theories don't explain the lack of credible, visible efforts on the part of Federal law enforcment to crack down on internet fraud.

    1. Re:You mean stop the fraud by Kent+Recal · · Score: 1

      While such a broad investigation might actually help to shut down some spammers I still wouldn't ask for it in anything louder than a whisper voice.

      I don't want to think about what kind of privacy intrusions would go along with such an effort and your "squeezing"-vocabulary related to government organizations dealing with ISPs and banks makes me a bit nervous.

      But you also mentioned a different aspect, one that sounds more comfortable (and maybe just as effective) to me.
      As you said, most of that viagra and moneymaking crap being advertised is illegal in first place. So why not just extend regular anti-fraud and fax-spam laws to cover it?

      Generally my idea of an implementation would be in the form of a public "robinson list" for E-Mail addresses. Everybody can subscribe their E-Mail addresses to the list, advertisers would be obligated to stay up to date with that list and not send unsolicited E-Mail to any address on the list.

      When your address is on the list and you receive spam - track down the spammer (spamhaus and friends show its possible) and report him.

      If such an approach was backed up by legislation and enforced ($$$-fines) it might quickly mute most of the spammers (except maybe those that are really hard to track).

      I think the spam problem could be solved this way without the big FBI/CC-fraud investigation hammer. After all the most annoying and persisent spam-senders have already been identified (see spamhaus etc. again).

      Just my 2cents :-)

  84. Re:Geeks with basic poetry skillz: Haiku verse for by stormhair · · Score: 1

    Five for the first line Seven for the second line Then five for the last

  85. Re:Geeks with basic poetry skillz: Haiku verse for by stormhair · · Score: 2, Informative

    Argh

    Five for the first line
    Seven for the second line
    Then five for the last

  86. 30 a day! by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1
    I've been getting at least 30 a day from these putzes. Imagine my shock and horror when the first crop landed in the my inbox (and knocked my Bayes percentage down from 99.6 to 99.5% in the process). Turns out my spam filter (SpamSieve for OS X; a great product!) has a pref that's enabled by default to honor the Habeas(tm) header regardless of the content of the story. That puppy got turned off really fast...

    I was going to submit this story, but I was going to wait 'til they announced the public execution of the guy who is single-handedly destroying faith in their business model.

  87. Send your copies to them. by ectoraige · · Score: 1

    I noticed the surge last week, and set Sylpheed, my email client, to automatically forward any spam with those headers to reports AT habeas DOT com.

    SpamAssassin dumps the spam it catches into a single folder, and Sylpheed lets you add processing rules for that folder, so they get forwarded on automatically.

    I figure if they do track down the offenders, each extra instance will give them more of a punch in court.

    --
    Vs lbh pna ernq guvf, ybt bss abj. Tb bhgfvqr. Syl n xvgr.
  88. Lousy system. by mrmeval · · Score: 1

    If the email is signed cryptographically by a known good source it gets through. If it is not it gets the whitelist treatment.

    No public magic words but solid mathematics will win.

    --
    I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
  89. pharmacourt.biz vunerabilities by Krafty+Koder · · Score: 1

    ran a nessus scan against pharmacourt.biz here's the results. IIS 5 has support for the Internet Printing Protocol(IPP), which is enabled in a default install. The protocol is implemented in IIS5 as an ISAPI extension. At least one security problem (a buffer overflow) has been found with that extension in the past, so we recommend you disable it if you do not use this functionality. The IIS server appears to have the .IDA ISAPI filter mapped. At least one remote vulnerability has been discovered for the .IDA (indexing service) filter. This is detailed in Microsoft Advisory MS01-033, and gives remote SYSTEM level access to the web server. It is recommended that even if you have patched this vulnerability that you unmap the .IDA extension, and any other unused ISAPI extensions if they are not required for the operation of your site. The remote web server type is : Microsoft-IIS/5.0 The Terminal Services are enabled on the remote host. Terminal Services allow a Windows user to remotely obtaina graphical login (and therefore act as a local user on the remote host). radmin is running on this port. Make sure that you use a strong password, otherwise a cracker may brute-force it and control your machine.

  90. Re:Seems to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're not too smart, are you? What's to stop a spammer from purchasing their services? Huh? I'm sure habeas doesn't check every single email that is sent to confirm that it isn't spam... dip...

  91. This idea patented? In not, could we use it... by crowdozer · · Score: 1

    How about I make my email address... HaikuIsAnArt.SuchAsThisEmailAddress.DoNotSendMeSpa m@MyDomain.com and therefore they couldn't use my email address without my permission which means they can't email me?

  92. this is why firewalling and rbl's stop spam best by Indy1 · · Score: 1

    i've always been of the opinion that content checking to stop spam is not the best way to go. Besides the load it puts on the server, it doesnt stop the spammers from wasting your bandwidth, and all the clever spammer has to do is figure a way to beat the content scan. On the other hand, the proper mix of rbl's and agressive firewalling of spammy isps *cough-uunet, xo, c&w, any of the telcos-cough*, and spammy countries *cough-korea, china, and latin america-cough* really cuts the spam to an absolute minimum.

    Thats why i dont munge my mail address here on slashdot. I WANT the dumb ass spammers to harvest it so i can improve my firewall lists even more. Anymore, i maybe get one or two spams a week that make it all the way past the rbl's and my firewall.

    --
    Lawyers, MBA's, RIAA? A jedi fears not these things!
  93. At what point? by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

    At what point does their work lose copyright status due to this use? Or can it? It seems that the poems are not being used as a creative expression, but rather a mechanism. You won't even see it unless you like to view all your email headers. I would hope this is a valid legal arguement against this practice. But IANAL. Not that I like spam either, but this could lead down a very bad path. You think patenting codecs is bad? Just think if a bitstream is required to include a copyrighted pass phrase to be used in a "compliant" player.

    1. Re:At what point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At what point does their work lose copyright status due to this use? Or can it?

      No. Copyrights are valid for a long, long time. But you can lose a trademark if you don't prosecute offenders, or if it becomes a generic term.

      There is no obligation to prosecute copyright offenders to have a valid copyright.

  94. Re:What slashdot doesn't want you to know! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They've actually censored some guy once because the secret service got into the action (he posted about detailed plans to kill a prominent political figure). That was confirmed legitimate as the message was replaced with one in red that said "THIS MESSAGE HAS BEEN REMOVED".

  95. Or better yet.. by crowdozer · · Score: 1

    register the domain MyEmailAddress-IsCopyrightProtected-DoNotSendMeSpa m.com and provide email addresses. The more people that sign up, the more potential spams to come in and violate the copyright. Therefore the bigger the lawsuit. Step 3: profit.

  96. Where is 575? by Royster · · Score: 0

    Where is 575,
    Slashdot master of haiku?
    Did he get a life?

    --
    I have discovered a truly marvelous sig, unfortunately the sig limit is too small to contain i
  97. Illegal Spam by phorm · · Score: 1

    There's a catch-22 to this situation. Spammers, while their product/customer isn't always unknown, tend to hide behind false fronts and cracked servers, etc.

    Now, if I am using a spamfilter with a copyrighted Haiku in it, a spammer has to identify him/herself in order to sue me. In doing so, he/she is open to legal retaliation for sending me unsolicited spam (assuming I'm on a Do-Not-Spam or similar legislation exists locally), as well as possibly more if they are using methods of deception, cracking, or other dubious activities.

    So, they sue me for using the Haiku... likely at most I would have to remove it. Then, everbody who has been joe-jobbed, hacked, and illegally spammed has the ID of a spammer to go after.

    No, I don't think this will work.

  98. The answer is NO by kindbud · · Score: 1

    Is it time to start filtering for haikus or will Habeas succeed in thwarting the spam attack?"

    It is time to start ignoring the Habeas mark. Good for them that they are trying to track down the infringer, who used a network of compromised zombies to spread the spam. Meanwhile, the HABEAS_SWE rule in SpamAssassin is letting the spam through. Until SA is upgraded to recognize when a lawsuit is pending, the HABEAS_SWE rule gets a score of zero.

    I will no longer trust 3rd parties to tell me who is being good.

    --
    Edith Keeler Must Die
  99. Habeas needs to change their business model... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As it is, there is no easy way to check if someone is a licensed user of the Habeas headers.

    Habeas does have DNS whitelist that could be used to verify usage, but you have to go through the hassle of registering to use it. No thanks, I have enough administrivia to do.

    It is trivial to fake habeas headers, and there is no easy way to verify. I give the service a short lifetime in its present form.

    Compare Habeas with Bonded Sender. Instead of depending on pursuing spammers with copyright law, Bonded Sender runs on cash. The sender puts up a cash deposit, and when people complain of spam, they lose cash. And it's easy to check if the sender is on the bonded sender list.

    And in a stroke of intelligence, Bonded Sender doesn't count AOL complaints as valid. You need to have a slight clue before your complaints count.

  100. The latest big spam technique... by devphil · · Score: 4, Interesting


    ...is not haiku or any other kind of rearrangment of normal speech. What's pouring right through my filters are messages consisting of just a half-dozen lines of random English words. No sentences, no advertisements, no links, nothing but everyday words.

    It's a fairly clever attempt to poison the Bayesian filters. Either I associate these words with spam and risk losing legit email, or I loosen things up and let more real spam slide through. It's frustrating because there's absolutely nothing I can do about it.

    [insert long ranting call for vigilante bullet-to-the-head-style action here]

    --
    You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
    1. Re:The latest big spam technique... by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1
      [insert long ranting call for vigilante bullet-to-the-head-style action here]
      [insert agreement here because spamming really is treason & theft @ such a serious level]
    2. Re:The latest big spam technique... by StevenMaurer · · Score: 1

      How about filtering based on the LENGTH of the mail message? Real people tend to write letters longer than: Is your ____ too _____?

    3. Re:The latest big spam technique... by CustomDesigned · · Score: 1

      I use Dspam, which puts adjacent pairs into the dictionary as well. The random English words don't phase it. However, the spammers could start using a Markov generator to defeat it.

    4. Re:The latest big spam technique... by Thundersnatch · · Score: 1
      How did this post get modded up?

      This is old news, and has been discussed ad-nauseum in every developers forum for anti-spam software that I've seen.

      The "random words" technique is almost completely ineffective at "poisoning" a Bayesian or other statistical filter, presuming it is well-trained. All the random words score in the middle, contributing almost nothing to the final message score. Occasionally, a very "hammy" word will be chosen by the spammer, but just as frequently, a very "spammy" word will show up. It's a wash as far as the filter is concerned.

      What's probably happening is that spammers are defeating the program's HTML or e-mail header parser, not the Bayesian model in general. Pick a filtering program with a better parser, and you'll do much better. Try SpamBayes.

    5. Re:The latest big spam technique... by rduke15 · · Score: 1
      These random words are easily caught. They have no punctuation and none of the short words like, up to here in this comment: "are", "no", "and", "of", "the", "up", "to", "in".

      In SpamAssassin, a rule similar to this catches them:
      body MY_RANDOM_WORDS /([a-z]{4,20}\s+){15}/
      score MY_RANDOM_WORDS 0.5
      describe MY_RANDOM_WORDS Many medium-length words, probably random
    6. Re:The latest big spam technique... by devphil · · Score: 1


      I apologize for not being current with every developers forum for anti-spam software that you've seen. (I have a job. I have hobbies. I do not read "anti-spam development forums", because it doesn't interest me. The only anti-spam "development" I really want to see is permission to shoot them in the head.)

      Maybe, just maybe, users of a random piece of software (like me) aren't going to be reading the development lists (like you). Should I flame you when a new compiler optimization is released, because it's new to users like you but old to developers like me?

      The "random words" technique is almost completely ineffective at "poisoning" a Bayesian or other statistical filter

      *shrug* Okay. I'll take your word for it. You're the developer, I'm not. All I know is nothing I do stops the fucking things, and previously-blocked kinds of spam started getting through much more often after the random-dictionary spam started arriving. Recent version of SpamAssassin cheerfully gives them the thumbs up. I'm now looking at DSPAM, mentioned in a post sibling to yours (unfortunately, I'm not root on the system which gets the most spam, and DSPAM seems to want root).

      I'll look at SpamBayes sometime later this week, hopefully. Thanks.

      --
      You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
    7. Re:The latest big spam technique... by devphil · · Score: 1


      Cool, I'll try that. Thanks! I've often wanted to add rules to SA, but fuck if I could figure out how.

      I might try doing it with procmail (which I've used for many years and am far more familiar with). Procmail has its own scoring system, but it wasn't really intended for use against spam. Maybe a combination of the two will help.

      --
      You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
    8. Re:The latest big spam technique... by rduke15 · · Score: 1

      wanted to add rules to SA, but fuck if I could figure out how.

      These rules can go into /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf if you want them applied system-wide.

      You can not use them with Procmail, which uses different regular expressions. Spamassassin uses Perl regexes.

    9. Re:The latest big spam technique... by Thundersnatch · · Score: 1
      I didn't mean to attack you, dude, I was just surprised that your post got modded up all the way to a 5-Interesting.

      The "random words" technique has been discussed a lot of places, most notably by the widely-quoted "grandfather" of Bayesing spam filtering, Paul Graham. I would have thought at least some of the moderators would have read something about the subject. It's even been discussed on slashdot before.

    10. Re:The latest big spam technique... by Thundersnatch · · Score: 1

      Oh, and some full disclosure: I myself once argued in a slashdot discussion that all these "random word" spams were going to poison my Bayesian filter. I was quickly pursuaded by our helpful community members (and a little back-of-my-napkin math) that I was wrong...

  101. take them by surprise by VanillaCoke420 · · Score: 1

    Take them by surprise by sending them the spanish inquisition - surely they wont expect that?

  102. "brilliant" by Thoron · · Score: 1

    err, you mean stupid?

  103. As a matter of fact... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes.

  104. Oh it's much much much worse than that: by dzym · · Score: 1
    Each Spamassassin installation will automatically adjust the scoring of various rules based on the number of times they are hit and the final scoring of the e-mail message.

    A few thousand forged HABEAS spams later at -8.0 a pop, you will also have a huge corpus of spam e-mail tokens poisoning the ham portion of your Bayes database because Spamassassin auto-learns ham and spam scores.

    Put two and two together, and your protection against every other piece of spam in the world is significantly lessened.

    This is devilishly clever. And my personal mail server is being crippled by the amount of spam that's now passing through my most stringent filters that would ordinarily have eliminated close to all of them.

  105. Syllables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    5-7-5. Plus you need the nature element, and to convey a feeling, etc. etc. if you do "real" haikus.

    How to say it so / that it can be grokked well / have an example .

  106. Most spam is already actionable by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The FTC's study of false claims in spam has already established that most spam is legally actionable under current law. Adding a copyrighted haiku doesn't help much.

    Under the CAN-SPAM act, ISPs can sue. If you read the definition of an "ISP" in the act, it's clear that a mail processing service like SpamCop would qualify. What's needed is a paid service like SpamCop that files at least one high-profile lawsuit a month, increasing to one a week as volume builds up. That would make a dent.

  107. Large by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It's definitely a large spam run. These spams use forged "From" addresses, and one of the domains they are forging is owned by my employer, and all mail to non-existent addresses ends up in a mailbox I handle. It's getting 10000 bounce messages per day from these spams.

    When I checked on net.admin.net-abuse.sightings, there are several hundred of these reported, and NONE of them use our domain. Checking a few at random, it looks like they are using many many many forged domains, so we are just getting the bounces from a tiny fraction of these these.

  108. Re:What slashdot doesn't want you to know! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure that was Kuro5hin, not slashdot. If you can provide the link, though .. that would be interesting

  109. Nintendo, Sega, and Tengen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This won't work legally. The situation of older Nintendo and Sega games that required the Nintendo (or Sega) logo be encoded into the game cart in order to run was done for the same reason. A court determined that Tengen reproducing the logo without authorization in their cart was not infringement. They still lost their case, but for other reasons.

  110. raising the bar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I guess you could make life more difficult by requiring a sonnet instead of a haiku.

    If it doesn't scan correctly, it is deemed spam.

  111. On a serious note... by cyclist1200 · · Score: 1

    I've gotten a few dozen spams sent using Habeas. I quickly set up a couple filters to siphon off messages with Habeas headers into a separate folder, then I would look through them, and manually apply another filter to forward the spam to Habeas's reporting address.

    I sent the last two reports this morning, and since then Spamassassin has caught at least one message that has been blacklisted by Habeas...maybe the tide is starting to turn.

  112. Re:Extra SpamAssassin rules for this batch of spam by RockClimb · · Score: 1

    I posted this question last week about spam with Habeas headers, but it got rejected :( I am glad to see the word is getting out though. I have yet to get any valid email with Habeas headers, so I no longer give any special consideration to Habeas headers. I believe this problem will get worse as Habeas can not catch every spammer that is forging the headers. You can change the HABEAS_SWE rule to give 0 points instead of the -8.0, and whitelist the valid habeas or add a custom rule to just add the points back, or write custom rules for the violators. I chose just to add the points back with a custom rule. I also whitelist valid email lists. One thing you will need to watch carefully for is the AWL rule. The forged Habeas headers can cause the spammer to get whitelisted and the AWL rule will subtract points from the spam score. If you see a negative score on AWL on a spam, save the spam (headers and all) to a file and run sa-learn --spam file.name This should unlearn it as valid email and learn it as spam

  113. Re:What slashdot doesn't want you to know! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, but censored posts get deleted. Never a message.

  114. SA already handles this very well by oglueck · · Score: 1

    -8.0 HABEAS_SWE Has Habeas warrant mark (http://www.habeas.com/)
    16 HABEAS_VIOLATOR RBL: Has Habeas warrant mark and on Infringer List
    [193.216.134.203 listed in sa-hil.habeas.com]

  115. Re:Extra SpamAssassin rules for this batch of spam by #undefined · · Score: 1

    this habeas-spamassassin problem just touches on a bigger problem:

    rules are brain-dead.

    spam rules work today, but what about tomorrow? what about in a month?

    i got several pieces of spam for two days before i said enough and gave the habeas rule a score of zero. all spam email were labeled 99% spam by spamassassin's bayesian rules.

    then the next day i had spamassassin label an email from a friend as spam (good thing i check my incoming spam folder!) purely based on rules. spamassassin thought my friend's return address was forged because the return address was juno.com, but he didn't use a juno.com smtp server. unusual? yes. spam? no. bayes declared the email as ham.

    i belong to several company mailing lists (compusa, buy.com, circuit city), that could easily trigger spam rules, but my bayes training recognizes them perfectly as ham. and my bayes training identifies every piece of spam as spam after seeing a pattern in three or four emails. static rules can never adapt (except between versions of spamassassin; great, get on the hamster wheel of upgrading).

    i'm almost driven to find a way to disable all static rules, leaving only the bayes rules.

    rules are dead! long live bayes!

  116. WTF are you talking about? by Burning1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    That passage was related to the Habeas Whitelist and not the Habeas Haiku . It is a License Agreement and has nothing to do with copyright infringment . Furthermore, it only specifically covers situations where people attempt to blacklist sites on Habeas' whitelist ; somthing no sane admin would ever want to do.

    Please tell me you just made a mistake, and aren't smoking some really, really, really strong crack.

    1. Re:WTF are you talking about? by MForster · · Score: 1

      No need to be offensive.

      As I already mentioned, I did not want to pretend that the whitelist and the copyright issues are the same. I just wanted to make clear Habeas' attitude against filtering.

    2. Re:WTF are you talking about? by Burning1 · · Score: 1

      Habeas maintains a BlackList called the Habeas Infringers List that is specifically designed to be used by spam filtering software.

      Based on that, It seems to me that you made a mistake (which is no big deal,) or that you're fear mongering.

      I don't think it's warranted to assume that Habeas is against spam filtering. They have simply built a business model around rectifying the most major shortcoming of current anti-spam technology: false positives.

    3. Re:WTF are you talking about? by MForster · · Score: 1

      I am pretty sure that Habeas is against filtering mails marked with their headers. The only reason, why Habeas makes money is, because their customers pay for a higher probability to get their mails through.

      If some percentage of mail servers block mails, because they contain the Habeas mark, there is no reason for a customer to pay for maybe even a higher danger of beeing blocked than without.

    4. Re:WTF are you talking about? by Burning1 · · Score: 1

      That's a very good point.

      However, I don't think that they could prosocute sites for blocking Habeas messages using copyright laws. Nor would doing so violate the DMCA (which Habeas doesn't seem to support, regardless.)

      We clearly have the right to block a Habeas mark, just as we have the right to block spam. However, I don't think it is in our best interests to block Habeas emails. While doing so may prevent some spam from getting through the filters, it would also increase the rate of false positives.

      As a network administrator for a small ISP, I easily see 1000 spam emails a day. Of those, 20 are marked with the Habeas Haiku. Those Habeas spams are written in such a way as to be easily caught by other filters.

      In my opinion, risking false positives for 20 emails would be a bad idea. Until Habeas deals with this, I will reduce their bonus to a very neutral 0.

  117. I dunno about that.... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    Like the shifting wind
    Some things must happen again
    Nothing to see here

  118. Re:Extra SpamAssassin rules for this batch of spam by jhall · · Score: 1

    Here's the rule I used:

    body __LOCAL_HABEAS_SPAMMER_LINK /http:\/\/.*pharmawarehouse\.biz|valuepointmeds\.b iz|pharmacourt\.biz|thatrxstore\.biz)/i

    meta LOCAL_HABEAS_SPAMMER1 ( HABEAS_SWE && __LOCAL_HABEAS_SPAMMER_LINK )
    score LOCAL_HABEAS_SPAMMER1 16.0
    describe Jan 2004 Spammer using Habeas SWE

    It requires both an HTTP link to one of the spammer's sites (gleaned from the ones I got) as well as their use of the Habeas SWE.

  119. I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Americans are really stupid.
    They all think it's so cool if they can write a haiku. Sheesh. I'm sick of it already.

  120. Defended against already by xant · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It doesn't really "poison" the filters, because there are just wayyyyyy too many posible words for this to work. Bayesian filters assign a huge probability of spamminess to every word in a spam email and an exceedingly low prbability of spamminess to every word in a non-spam email during training. If a word appears in both, it just averages out. Over time a given word will appear only once in a spam email with a bunch of random words, and many times in non-spam emails, and therefore after some time (or even pre-emptively) the good words will be recognized as good. The more training, the better; poisoning has little chance of success as long as there's at the number of good and bad emails going in are within an order of magnitude of each other.

    That's not to say the technique doesn't help the spammers in the short run; it probably gets past less sophisticated and trained filters.

    --
    It's rare that you're presented with a knob whose only two positions are Make History and Flee Your Glorious Destiny.
    1. Re:Defended against already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What bullshit. As long as you are trying to make a machine recognize spam through keywords, your level of false positives is going to be such that it breaks email.

  121. Re:What slashdot doesn't want you to know! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    That was confirmed legitimate as the message was replaced with one in red that said "THIS MESSAGE HAS BEEN REMOVED".
    No, the one that got removed was a message containing Kerberos source code. Microsoft sent a DMCA notice and Slashdot removed the comment (replacing it with the red one you mentioned).
  122. Re:What slashdot doesn't want you to know! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  123. Another Haiku by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Muse! Linus Torvalds
    prefers to pronounce Linux,
    as Linux, my friends!

    Tux, well-known penguin,
    was made by Larry Ewing,
    for every Tux fan.

    Microsoft, bastards,
    brought us Windows 95,
    better than XP.