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andyring writes "CNN has an interesting article about the increasing trend in electronics to add more and more features, less concise user manuals, and poor marketing, to products, which end up doing nothing more than increasing costs and frustrating users. As an example in the article, most people want cell phones that do one thing - make calls. Yet phones come with games, instant messaging, cameras, etc. You can't even buy a simple cell phone any more. Also cited, 25% of people think they own an HDTV, when the actual number is less than 10%. What can be done to make manufacturers get their heads into the real world?"

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  1. two words by Em+Emalb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    quality control.

    Learn to live by them.

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    1. Re:two words by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 4, Insightful
      We bought a VCR in the early 1990's that cost about $500 and lasted over eight years. We're on our third replacement. Sure, the replacements were less than $200 each, but they have fewer features and I'm frankly getting tired of the damn things failing just when I want to tape something. They never seem to fail on playback, just on record. And on a cost per year basis, the more expensive one was a far better deal. They really don't make them like they used to.

      The current unit also has a deep hatred of the Sci-Fi channel. If we tune it to Sci-Fi, it shuts itself off. If we tape a Sci-Fi channel show on another VCR and try to play it on ours, it again shuts itself off. Weird.

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    2. Re:two words by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


      Or maybe I am just a jaded IT guy?

      Maybe jaded against the particular hardware you work with. We have failures among our ~300 PCs every so often, hard disks mainly. The Sun, SGI and (sole) HP machine are damn tanks. When Sol goes red giant in 3 billion years, there will be 4 SGI Origins floating around in space wondering where users went.

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    3. Re:two words by stephenisu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hear ya. I still have an excelent working $500 top loading VCR that uses an intutive remote (can you program your VCR with the TV off?)

      Also, no Macrovision, and it survived a PB&J sammich and a few crayons as well.

      Sure I can watch video on my cell, but have you ever tried looking a person up to call them in the menu?

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    4. Re:two words by boaworm · · Score: 2, Funny

      KISS ?

      Anyone else finds it atleast a bit amusing that someone can make a long post filled with nums and figures about an article that discusses the KISS principle ? :-)

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    5. Re:two words by plover · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Quality Control does not necessarily mean "user interface". You can make a very high quality cell phone that still sucks. Nokia has an entire factory full of them.

      The story isn't about cheap-ass phones that break, but about phones that have features that are so poorly implemented that 95% of the users are unable to make use of them, and/or features that 99% of their users don't need or want.

      I think a lot of the problem is the rush to market with something new, regardless of actual utility. "We have to have the 2005 line designed by Thursday, and we need a feature the competition doesn't have. Let's have a micro-motorized skin that pulses along its length, allowing it to crawl across the table like a worm!" "Why would we do that?" "Because Sony-Ericsson hasn't done it yet!!!"

      So regardless of "what" the function is, or how consumers might use it, it gets thrown into the device. This is most evident in cell phones, where it seems every phone has a calculator, an appointment calendar, a stopwatch, a diving computer, a pedometer, and an altimeter. And the manufacturers trumpet these alleged features as if they add value, when in reality all they do is clutter the interface and suck electrons.

      My ideal cell phone would be a small brick I keep clipped to my belt, next to my leatherman. A bluetooth headset would allow me to talk, and my Tungsten would allow me to surf. The phone would still have a speaker, microphone and keypad so I could use it "in manual mode" if I didn't have the headset with me. A screen displaying ten digits would be nice, but optional. And I guess I'd like some kind of powered-on indicator, although the position of an "on-off" switch could suffice.

      I find it almost criminal for a phone to have a "backdrop" picture, or a "screen saver", or even color. All these "features" do is to draw down battery power, and add to the visual clutter. They don't make my "phoning experience" easier or faster or more enjoyable. I really don't want a "phoning experience" -- I just want a fucking phone that I can call my wife and tell her I'm going to the Chinese place and ask her if she wants wontons with her cashew chicken!!

      Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong, (but I seriously doubt it.)

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    6. Re:two words by badasscat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That article lost me the minute the guy started talking about how his camera was too technologically advanced because it had options to force the flash or set long exposure times.

      These are options that have been available on cameras for approximately 100 years.

      I mean, we have gotten to the point where if technology does not simplify our lives to a ridiculous degree, we blame the technology, even if technology is giving us the same exact features we've always had! What was fine before suddenly becomes burdensome simply because it's digital and our expectations are different. Do we expect to have fewer features in digital products than we did in analog, simply because we're too stupid or impatient to read a damn manual? It seems that way.

      I'd like to keep my long exposure, manual focus, forced flash and aperture modes, thanks. I am happy camera makers are continuing to provide these as options on some models and are even filtering them down to less expensive consumer cameras. Not every product needs to pander to the lowest common denominator.

    7. Re:two words by shokk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Have you thought about spending $500 for a VCR that is a little higher quality than the $200 units? For your $500 you would probably get more features than the previous $500 unit, though at this point you'd have to have a pretty large collection to justify that expense. I'd rather put that into some other equipment and let VCR technology call it a day.

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    8. Re:two words by mixmasta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think that one of the biggest problems is letting engineers and other propeller-heads design gear.

      Let engineers design the IC's and real designers build the interface us mouth-breathers can actually use efficiently.

      Case in point: What kind of rain-man type thought 3 different HDTV resolutions would be a good idea??? This is a TV for !@&@#$-sake. On/ Channel UP/Down/Volume are all I need with a picture that looks great with automatic settings.

      It's gotta work for me and joe six without needing to reprogram the tv everytime I wanna change the channel. </grumble> =)

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    9. Re:two words by MrGoodwrench · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I bought a Zenith (JVC) Vcr in 1985 for over $500. It was one of the first Hi-Fi VCR's. One of the stereo channels has died on it and I have to use it in Mono, but it's still usable. What these companies need to consider and/or learn, is there are people out there that are willing to pay for quality and/or simplicity if it were available. Unfortunately, they are more interested in meeting a particular price point in manufacture because the herd of "consumers" are only looking at the price when considering a purchase. When looking at the plethora of consumer (god I hate that term) electronics, It is almost impossible to find quality built products anymore. Everybody's gone to the disposable "don't worry it will be outdated before it wears out" mentality. Bull. If they built it worth a crap, it would last until that particular user decides that it is outdated. I mean I'm still using a stereo system I bought in 1982! It still serves it's function. About the features, (trying to stay on topic), there are many features of this particular VCR I have never used. The point being, The remote was so intuitive I never had to read the manual or went through a long learning process to do what I wanted it to do. Even when I tried out some of the "fancy" options, I didn't need the manual. I just decided I didn't need those features. Another post said it wasn't about the GUI. I say it's definately about the GUI. Simplicity of use is where it's at. Why do you think TIVO's sell so well?

  2. RTFM? by tackaberry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cell phones have become so fragmented, as most carriers offer multiple handsets with a variety of features which appeal to differing tastes. However, I still refuse to buy a new phone because my carrier still hasn't offered a phone that meets my specific needs. All I want is a good, small, clamshell, tri-mode phone from Verizon with built-in Bluetooth. I could care less about a camera, I already invested in a digital camera with a better resolution, and there seems to be a lot of anti-camera phone sentiment. When I went to get my passport renewed, people had to surrender their batteries.

    In terms of user manuals. It's not like a lot of people read them anyway...that's like asking people to read the articles prior to reply here on slashdot. Look at all the good detailed instructions did for getting baby-boomers to program their VCR or time display.

    How many software packages actually come with a full set of documentation anymore these days - it's like we are expected to go out any buy the user manual.

    HDTV is a tough subject, because the industry has done such a poor job on rolling out HDTV. Not just the manufacturers, but also the stations, cable companies and the damned FCC. But you would think you would know whether or not you have HDTV after seeing what 1080i looks like.

    The competing formats of DVD is equally confusing. My father-in-law made the mistake of buying DVD+R discs only to find out that he needed -R for his drive.

    1. Re:RTFM? by Copid · · Score: 4, Interesting
      One thing I've always wanted to see on a cell phone: An LED flashlight. I could care less about a PDA with a color screen, camera, or other expensive non-feature that just drives the cost up and bulk of my phone. It's a phone! It shouldn't require a 300 page manual!

      A flashlight would be cool, though. It would require minimal extra lighting. The phone battery is more than capable of driving an excellent LED light. I actually *need* a flashlight on a regular basis, and I always have my phone with me. It seems like a perfect match.

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    2. Re:RTFM? by swordboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Rule of thumb:

      If it requires a manual, then it is too complicated for consumer sale.

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    3. Re:RTFM? by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 5, Funny
      So duct-tape your flashlight to your phone like the rest of us.

      And you call yourself a nerd!

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    4. Re:RTFM? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I could care less about a camera

      So you do care about having a cam on your phone?

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    5. Re:RTFM? by McAddress · · Score: 4, Funny
      "If it requires a manual, then it is too complicated for consumer sale."

      Pet rocks came with a manual.

      My pet rock did not come with a manual. I'm still trying to fiigure out how to feed the damn thing.

    6. Re:RTFM? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, but they didn't require one.

      I've gotten sick of trying to figure out all the features on electronic devices... or worse, helping my wife with hers. I've got a phone that has all kinds of cool stuff, some of which I actually use, 'cause it's there, but at the end of the day, I use the thing to call people, and if every other feature not related to making phone calls were taken away, I wouldn't care.

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    7. Re:RTFM? by psychogentoo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      More often then not, I find that the sales people that I've dealt with at large electronics stores don't know what they are talking about. Maybe it's due to the poorly written manuals or maybe it's that they don't even RTFM of the products that they're selling.

      A sales person at one of these stores (sounds similar to a character on the Futurama show) began to tell me that the DVD-Audio designation on a DVD player meant that it allows you to playback mp3s that you've burnt using your DVD drive and left out the whole part about the DVD-Audio discs which is a competitor to the SA-CD format.

      In last month's issue of The Perfect Vision magazine, there was an article that said a lot of these chains either have mislabeled or incorrectly advertised EDTV, HD Monitors as being HDTVs.

      Having unknowledgeable sales people with a combination of mislabeled advertising at the retail level, does anyone here let his or her tech challenged family members buy electronics?

    8. Re:RTFM? by Luckboy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Rule of thumb:

      If it requires a manual, then it is too complicated for consumer sale.

      And every time you make something more idiot proof, you improve the quality of idiots.

    9. Re:RTFM? by dracken · · Score: 3, Informative

      Kyocera phones have had flashlights for quite some time now. They seem to be quite popular in india.

    10. Re:RTFM? by kelzer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Duh. You're paying for the phone in the contract you signed. Sheesh.

      If all the phones didn't have all that crap, and all the service providers actually competed, maybe we'd be paying $20 - $30 less per month than we are now.

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    11. Re:RTFM? by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, you guys want a lot of extras. :)

      I just want a simple, non-clamshell, ruggedised phone. Something that won't break when it hits the pavement from a few feet off the ground, or that will still work after bouncing down three flights of cement stairs. Something to replace my again Panasonic TX-220.

      Do they make anything like this anymore??? Not that I've found. Everything is now so flimsy I'd be afraid to toss it onto my bed, let alone my desk.

    12. Re:RTFM? by cyways · · Score: 3, Informative

      My daughter's Kyocera phone from Virgin Mobile has a built-in flashlight. It was such an obvious feature that, once I saw it, I couldn't understand why all phones don't have one!

    13. Re:RTFM? by Cat_Byte · · Score: 2, Funny

      I had to have my pet rock put to sleep after it kept attacking people. Most people didn't believe me when I told them I didn't throw it, it jumped out of my hand.

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    14. Re:RTFM? by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Insightful
      > HDTV is a tough subject, because the industry has done such a poor job on rolling out HDTV. Not just the manufacturers, but also the stations, cable companies and the damned FCC. But you would think you would know whether or not you have HDTV after seeing what 1080i looks like.

      Nail. Head. Hit. Typical example:

      Salesdrone: "Sir, HDTV is totally awesomer than analog TV because it's... umm... it's digital! Don't you like that word digital? Look! We have all the TVs on this wall hooked up to a digital broadcast! And here's our digital TV! My boss trained me to say that all by myself!"

      Joe Sixpack: looks at wall of analog and digital TVs. Sees big blocks around everything that moves as a result of dumb-ass cable companies using extremely high compression factors on their digital. Sees the same big blocks at 1080i. Says "Huh? My rabbit ears give me a better picture!" and walks away. :)

    15. Re:RTFM? by 680x0 · · Score: 2, Funny
      1) turn on 2) enjoy
      The devices? Or the wife? ;^)
    16. Re:RTFM? by Wanker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have to agree with this. Although the manual might be useful to reveal seldom-used or very specific features, the basic operation of any device should be intuitive. How can this be done? Doesn't everyone have their own idea of what's "intuitive"?

      After reading the book "The Design of Everyday Things" (ISBN 0465067107) it seems that there is less involved in an intuitive interface than one might think. The main problem is that seldom is there any thought put into how to make something intuitive-- instead things get built based on the least amount of effort, even if it's only a very small amount of additional effort to make things easy to use.

      After reading this book, I now see all kinds of examples of bad design that could have been easily fixed with just a tiny amount of effort, or things that could have been made intuitive with the exact same amount of effort, but making it intuitive simply wasn't even a consideration.

      For example, where I live there are several light switches in a three-gang box that control different lights. They are wired randomly, and I'm always mis-guessing which switch goes with which light. A better design, which would have taken the exact same amount of effort would have been to wire the light on the left from the point of view of the box with the left-hand switch. Put the light on the right in the right-hand switch, etc. In fact, when I get "around to it" I plan to rewire them this way.

      As another example, some other switches are horizontal. Push the right side they come on, push the left they go off. Unfortunately the door to the room is on the right. This means that I'm always pressing the switch against the normal direction of movement as I come in or leave the room. Again, for zero additional effort they could have been wired so that they're operated in the same direction as normal movement.

      These are the sorts of thoughts that book will provoke. Recommended reading for anyone who is at all interested in how things work.

    17. Re:RTFM? by j1v · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then go find a Siemens ME45 somewhere !!! It really survives hard shocks and water. I've had it for 3 year before replacing it with a SE P800

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  3. Don't be led astray by things you don't need. by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    What can be done to make manufacturers get their heads into the real world?

    Like most businesses, they listen to only one thing: their bottom line. If you don't need a camera on your phone (and, frankly, who does?) then don't spend the extra few bucks on it. Make sure you tell the person why. There will certainly be some trickle effect of what is said, whether to management, at trade shows or in the media.

    Unfortunately you have the KeepingUpWithTheJoneses factor to deal with: Jones(A) gets a new phone with games. Not to be outdone, Jones(B) gets a phone with games and a camera. Jones(C) gets a phone with games and a higher-resolution camera.. Repeat ad infinitum.

    This isn't intended soley as potshots against camera phones but against the "Faster, Smaller, Better" upgrade cycle that these manufacturers impose on the consumers. Remember that every dollar you spend is after-tax money. Now think about how much that shiny new widget will really cost before you walk to the cash register. You need the money more than they do.

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    1. Re:Don't be led astray by things you don't need. by kabocox · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Unfortunately you have the KeepingUpWithTheJoneses factor to deal with: Jones(A) gets a new phone with games. Not to be outdone, Jones(B) gets a phone with games and a camera. Jones(C) gets a phone with games and a higher-resolution camera.. Repeat ad infinitum.


      All I want is unlimited calling on a cell-phone for $5 a month. I define "unlimited calling" as no long distance charges, no local charges, no roaming charges, no limits on minutes used, and global coverage. I know that will never happen unless there is a very cheap way of broadcasting masses of phone calls through wireless access points. I would be happy with 2 state coverage, no roaming charges or long distance fees within those states, no limites on minutes or time of day and still $5 a month. I could care less about anything else. Our damn "phone taxes" are more than $5 a month. We currently pay about $50-$60 a month. I want cheaper not more!

    2. Re:Don't be led astray by things you don't need. by Jim+Hall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately you have the KeepingUpWithTheJoneses factor to deal with: Jones(A) gets a new phone with games. Not to be outdone, Jones(B) gets a phone with games and a camera. Jones(C) gets a phone with games and a higher-resolution camera.. Repeat ad infinitum.

      Not quite. My brother used to work at Microsoft, and he once commented on something that I've carried with me in my career. It's not that the customers are in a "keeping up with the Jones'" mode, but the vendors are.

      Example: Microsoft didn't add a grammar checker to Word because the customers were demanding one. In fact, the first MS grammar checker was worthless. (I haven't used MS products in years .. I don't know if it's improved since.) Microsoft added one to Word (version 4.0?) because WordPerfect had added a grammar checker. Microsoft didn't want to look like they also didn't have the features.

      Phones are the same way: "It's a phone with a tiny web browser in it." / "We can do web, and we'll add mini-games." / "Okay, we'll do games, but ours are in color." / "We'll also add colors, and we'll support java." / "Now let's add a low-res camera." / "We'll add a hi-res camera too - and also walkie talkie." And so on. Pretty soom, everyone will have a little inkjet printer in their phone, just because the vendors are trying to keep up with each other.

      Another way to look at it: if everyone has the same basic features as everyone else, then the product that "wins" isn't necessarily the best product - it's the product that sucks the least.

    3. Re:Don't be led astray by things you don't need. by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because it IS! You just view the TV guide and press a button. It's GUNNA record! You want to record every NEW Simpson's? Easy! Tivo is infinitely easier then doign it on a VCR. Also, she can just watch TV and thumbs up and thumbs down and it will records things she likes. Then it's just a matter of scrolling through the TEXT list of what was recorded! DAMN easy.

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  4. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Insightful

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  5. example in practice by Matey-O · · Score: 4, Interesting

    10,000 songs,
    audiophile quality,
    least restrictive DRM,
    6 buttons,
    iPod.

    Of course, on the other hand:

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    1. Re:example in practice by faust2097 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You could load the thing with WAVs if you wanted [or a bit more reasonably high-bitrate LAME MP3s]. The point is that the sound quality is limited by the source file, not the device.

      On the original topic, most of the direct competitors of the iPod have more features [FM radio, more formats, etc.] but overall people care more about what it's like to actually use the thing. I've noticed that iPod purchases seem to happen in clusters where someone in a group of people will get one and by letting other people play with it it can change opinions.

      Look at Microsoft Office, the best usability improvement they've made in the last several years was to hide most of the features in the menu by default.

    2. Re:example in practice by micromoog · · Score: 2, Insightful
      That was so close to a haiku I feel compelled to take it all the way:

      10k songs, good sound
      least restrictive DRM
      6 buttons -- iPod.

    3. Re:example in practice by bay43270 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How do you turn off an iPod?
      Hold down play for 3 seconds!

      How do you go to a previous menu?
      Press menu

      How do you go to the next menu?
      Press the button in the center of the dial

      How do you change the volume?
      With the scroll wheel*
      *as long as the display is showing the current song and it's not showing the song's rating or the progress bar (in which case you press the middle button until you see the volume, and THEN you use the scroll wheel)

      How do I plug it into the wall?
      Use the firewire port -- duh!?!

      Don't get me wrong. I love my iPod, but removing buttons does not make something more simple.

      Changing the context of a button only works when you can change its label too.

    4. Re:example in practice by Microlith · · Score: 2, Informative

      By means of what app?

      Remember, of course, that you're probably using an unencrypted WMA file. You could probably do the same thing with a 160kbps unencrypted AAC file.

      Encrypt either and it's not easy at all. At least with the AAC file (namely protected ones from iTunes), you can use various utilities to write it out to CD/Virtual CD and re-encode. Who knows what permissions the WMA will have.

      Of course, you're transcoding anyway. And it's not vendor lock-in when no one else makes players that support it (I don't recall Apple trying to fend off other AAC players you know.)

    5. Re:example in practice by terevos · · Score: 2, Informative
      Actually, WMA is less restrictive. I've been able to *legally* take 160kbps WMA files from a music site and turn them into 128kbps OGG files with a simple windows app.


      Apple's AAC's won't let you do that? Since when. I've been taking my AACs and converting them to Mp3 ever since AAC's came out. You just grab LAME (like iTunes LAME) and convert them. It's pretty simple.
    6. Re:example in practice by VX1984rr3 · · Score: 2, Informative

      And what is with making it a requirement to have a working remote with most DVDs to make the thing simply PLAY ad disc??? You think that would be a pretty darn basic function!

  6. KISS by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Funny
    Yeah, increasing costs suck. If people would just think about KISS more, then maybe things would get smaller.

    (Damn, I've been waiting forever for a flimsy excuse to link to that page.)

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  7. I don't *want* concise user manuals by Patman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    User interfaces should be well-designed and as simple to use as possible. Granted.

    Include a quickstart guide with your gear. Good idea.

    But for God's sake, don't forget about the concise user manual. I hate buying new gear and not getting a good manual with it. The manual should explain everything the unit can do in every configuration.

    If they want to make a simple quickstart guide too, that's great, but don't leave out the full-blown details.

    1. Re:I don't *want* concise user manuals by happyfrogcow · · Score: 2, Funny

      User interfaces should be well-designed and as simple to use as possible. Granted.

      Yes, sell us a nipple! Most intuitive interface ever!

      That little touch pad on the iPod's are pretty damn close. BUT NOT CLOSE ENOUGH!!

      WE WANT NIPPLES!

  8. Manufacturers are doing what they're supposed to by akiaki007 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What can be done to make manufacturers get their heads into the real world?

    Um, ok. So, let me get this straight. You want these manufacturers to _not_ take advantage of the people dumb enough to believe they are buying something else. Those 15% of the people that think that they have an HDTV, probably bought something that was overpriced, and might end up buying equipment that would only work to it's fullest with a HDTV system. They're making money off of the stupid. I don't expect them to change. While it would be moral and nice of them to, but since when is capitalism moral and nice? It's about money, and if someone wants to give it to them, they will take it.

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  9. more and more features... by Mieckowski · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can see that the author doesn't use emacs.

  10. Finding manufacturers' heads by metallicagoaltender · · Score: 5, Funny

    What can be done to make manufacturers get their heads into the real world?

    Have they visited their proctologists lately?

  11. This is an Increasing Trend? by FatHogByTheAss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sounds like business as usual to me.

    I guess I'll never cease to be amazed at the medias propensity to discover the obvious.

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  12. Well they could... by smcavoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    kill everyone in marketing.

    1. Re:Well they could... by Feynman · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The engineers do deserve some of the blame, too.

      In my business unit (major networking-component supplier), marketing delivers a "requirements document," enumerating the feature-set that they believe customers want. Some of this is gratuitous "feature-bloat," sometimes to target a specific customer. However, there often aren't restrictions on how the designers implement these requirements.

      Engineers will often design what's easy and fulfills the requirements. Or deliver a design that makes sense to them, because they designed it.

      This is where understanding the users' goals, performing usability testing, etc., are important.

  13. I don't think there's anything that can be done. by James+A.+E.+Joyce · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's face it; when it comes to technology, most people are ignorant. No matter how simple we make things, there will always be simpler people.

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  14. Re:Open Source HW by avalys · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes, because open-source projects are known for their ability to avoid needless feature creep and maintain clear, useful, high-quality documentation.

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  15. Usability vs. Simplicity by wedding · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I find it interesting to look at the number of high-end replacement devices exist for home theaters. That's a market that's added every feature known to man, and the most loved component is often the Universal Remote that can simplify it to the point of actual usability by Mom. All of the power is still there, but there's a simple, unified interface for MOST users. Apple has done the same thing for years, and does it best in OSX. All the power is there, but the usability is so great that most people never notice. Tivo is an amazingly complex system behind the scenes (by normal person standards,) but the usability is such that again, Mom can use it. You don't have to have a simple product, you just have to make it usable for simple people.

  16. These features are what sell the phones by ChiralSoftware · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Think back to the pre-digital days of cellphones. The cellphone had status. The smaller the phone, the more status. Remember when the Motorola Startac sold for over $1000? It was so incredibly small! And then of course more and more stuff got integrated onto chips, and lithium batteries came out, and then they had the ability to make phones really really small. These same developments also made them cheaper. The result was that the cellphone lost its status (remember Zoolander's mobile?). So, what is it now? Two things: a practical voice communication tool, of course. And... entertainment, and a new status thing in the form of having more cool features. Have you noticed that cellphones now are getting bigger? There will always be the older generation who want the phone to be as simple and convenient as possible and have no added features, but those are not high-markup sales. In fact those phones are sold in very small margins. The real money is being made on phones with cameras, two color screens, MP3 players, PDA features, push-to-talk, video players, and Java games, all in a three-ounce package that you can take with you. And yes, you can still buy basic phones. You can't buy a phone without a phone book, messaging and a minibrowser anymore, but those features are unobtrusive and users who don't care can just ignore them. For the rest of us, phones are cool.

  17. Marketing Genius by ryanw · · Score: 4, Insightful
    25% of people think they own an HDTV, when the actual number is less than 10%. What can be done to make manufacturers get their heads into the real world?
    You think that it's a mistake that 25% of the people bought an HDTV READY TV thinking that it was HDTV ENABLED? Bill Gates has taught the world well... Build on the hype, sell on the hype, deliver later what they thought they already had.
  18. KISS by ENOENT · · Score: 2, Funny

    Notice to the design team:

    Do not add unnecessary features, or we will send Gene Simmons to live in your cubicles for a year.

    -The Management

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  19. Re:I respectfully disagree...with you. by DrWho520 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I like camera phones and phones with web access. But when I go to work, those phones have to stay in my glove box. Not because of the distraction, but because of the nature of the features themselves. Consider this: how many firms would allow a worker to walk around with a cellular, web connected camera? Any camera phone does that. And a PDA phone with blue tooth or IR? You are dreaming. Its the information...its all about the information!

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  20. Consumerism in action by NixLuver · · Score: 3, Insightful
    This is a direct result of the intense marketing pressure applied to the bulk of Western Humanity equating stuff with happiness.

    And we keep buying stuff because the last batch didn't make us happy; we figure if Johnny bought it, and he seems happy about it, that it will make us happy, too. Every advertising dollar spent is attempting to create needs, not serve them.

  21. Re:What can be done. by dolphi0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sometimes they don't have a choice. At least when it comes to features they don't want. Recently I went to get a new cell phone, and I found out that all Best Buy and my service provider offer are phones piled high with "features." My only requirement was that it gets decent reception, and it's a flip phone (so I don't scratch the screen to hell when I put it in my pocket with my keys), and the only phones that met this description are $250 phones with color and cameras. I don't really care about these features, (I already have a digital camera), to me, it's just more stuff to break.

  22. Marketing by RetroGeek · · Score: 4, Informative

    What can be done to make manufacturers get their heads into the real world?

    Fire the marketing department.

    No, really. Some marketing genius does a study, asks some set of people "Hey, we can do this really neat thing, do you want it?". Each marketing genius in the department does this. Now the department goes to the C level and says "All our studies say that people want x, y, z, and also w".

    Then the engineering dept gets the WORD FROM ABOVE, and creates the product. Instant plethora of features. The product gets built, goes to stores, and the MAJORITY of people say "whoa, too complicated".

    Why do you think that Windows has a dumbed down menu set?

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  23. "Good enough" is not an option by Snebjorn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The problem is that many of these gadgets are still in the process of being defined. Any manufacturer who decides to relax because their product doesn't need more features will go under.

    I'm old enough to feel satisfied with a mobile phone that can be used only to place and receive calls, but my kids certainly aren't.

    There's darwinism for you.

    Snebjorn

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  24. Re:usability vs. time by swordgeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So good of you to spare some free time to correct the flaws of someone who studies and researches usability professionally.

    Gimmicks do NOT exist to meet market demand. They are added to CREATE market demand. Cell phones didn't add games because people demanded them; the manufacturers added games and then marketed them as an essential reason to throw away your old phone.

    Companies used the gimmicks as a tool for the marketers to create an artificial market demand. Sooner or later, the gimmicks become so silly that even good marketing can't sell them. That's when the crap features disappear, and the market becomes more-or-less stable. That's also the death of a growth-based company, and so manufacturers will do ANYTHING to avoid the natural evolution down the back slope of the bell curve.

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  25. On the other hand there are people. . . by kfg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    who are simply impressed by complication. Rube Goldberg devices actually have a market. Maybe not a huge all encompassing market, but a market nonetheless.

    As an engineer I appreciate simplicity and it's much, much harder to design a simple device that does the same thing as a complicated one.

    One of the things I do is design and build human powered machinery. I have a particular fondness for Human Powered Vehicles. I've played around with a lot of front suspension designs, mostly just for fun and personal edification, but the one that's really serious has the entire front suspension whittled down to a single part. Just one. A shaped composite leaf spring with a bit of damping material in its core. The two front wheels (it's a trike, two in front, one in back. Morgan style) basically just get stuck on the ends of the spring.

    People who look at my machines completely ignore this lovely bit of work and Ooo and Ahhhh over all the complicated tubular multilink stuff that I put together more as a testbed for formula car suspension systems.

    If I were to sell my machines I'd hazard a guess that the complicated beast would outsell the superiour, but simpler machine.

    See all those folks out riding the paved roads on 40 pound, double suspension, downhill mountain bikes and wondering why they can't keep up with their friend's rusty old "ten speed"?

    KFG

  26. Consumers don't agree on what "simple" is by RhettLivingston · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem is that one man's simple includes a bluetooth feature and another man's simple includes 802.11b, and another man's simple... The fact is that it is far cheaper to market and distribute one device that does everything than a bunch of variations on "simple". Production cost is practically irrelevant these days, but part of the reason it is practically irrelevant is the economy of mass. Divide that mass into 10 different ideas of "simple" and suddenly production will bite you too.

  27. Re:A couple more words... by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Also, could be....the general public, by and large, are idiots. I think the numbers may be increasing, due to the dumbing down of our schools....but, it has always been that the majority of people you run into out there in the world, have the intelligence of a piece of sampsonite.

    I spent my college years working food service (waiting tables, bartending), and retail sales. When you have to deal with the general public, you really get your eyes opened as to the high level of stupidity out there. From complex things, to just every day common sense situations, I was shocked and amazed at how low the common denominator was out there.

    Sometimes, I wonder how so many of us survive the world as long as we do these days....

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  28. Take a Page from Perl Philosophy by DeadVulcan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's just like perl philosophy says: "Make the easy things easy, and the hard things possible."

    Trivial things like turning on your cell phone should be obvious - you shouldn't need a manual. This should not be compromised in the name of harder things like playing games or browsing the web. It's okay to make the user consult a manual for those.

    And if you're supporting those harder things, you must have a comprehensive manual, because the people who want to do the harder things will, in the end, read it.

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    Power in the hands of the accountable.
  29. Negifeatures && planned obsolecense by An+dochasac · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I found this earlier today when I tried to repace my mobile phone battery. "Oh they haven't made that battery for years." (on a 2 year old phone.) So I tried to replace it with a new one but all of the new ones have colour screens which means:
    • Less battery life
    • Not easily viewable in sunlight
    • Not water resistant (even I don't understand this one!)
    Manufacturers seem to have forgotten the purpose of mobile phones.

    Same issue with laptops. I have an pismo laptop from 4 years ago with as much as 10 hours of battery life. If there exists such a system today, I'll buy it but marketeers find it easier to push Ghz, so we get Ghz. This reminds me of radios from the 1960s when boasting "10 transistors" was so important that some manufacturers soldered in dummy transistors!

    /me get's out his souldering Iron and makes a new battery pack for my 3 year old phone.
  30. Speaking of simple... by keiferb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is it so hard to bundle a normal ringtone or two with a cell phone? My new-ish T610 plays salsa, reggae, and a couple corporate jingles, but there's not a single normal cell phone ring. Are people who want a phone to sound like... well... a phone really in the minority these days?

  31. Re:stupidity propagates stupidity by JaxGator75 · · Score: 2, Funny
    You forgot "CPU"

    When my Dad's PC crapped out (he gets my old systems), my step-mom went on a drunken rampage and screamed about how "they should call Dell" because "she just wants a computer that works." She went on to explain that "the screen works fine. The printer is OK. Nothing wrong with the mouse and the keyboard, so we can just get a new box-thing."

    I happily encouraged them to go with Dell since that meant I would be parolled from my unending troubleshooting hell. Little did I know it only meant I would get to troubleshoot WITH Dell now.

    Long-story-short: I moved out of state.

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  32. The trouble is the chip by rbrander · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, the real trouble is that they are putting more effort into having a long feature checklist to put in the sales pitch, of course, plus as repeatedly mentioned that people buy based on the feature checklist, not a lot of time spent "test driving".

    Did you ever spend time in an electronics store looking at the remotes and panel controls and asking "what's this one do"? The salesmen generally don't know. They know how to read you the feature checklist.

    But electronics manufacturers would put in better controls if it weren't expensive and hard compared to a minimal number of buttons.

    They all have to put in the same (or about same-priced) chip to run the remote or digital watch or cell phone. The chip gives them the feature checklist ("DVD also plays MP3! And WMA!") everything after that is expense with very little selling power.

    A wheel to scroll through menus faster? Way more expensive than one button you have to hit over and over and over.

    Six buttons and a wheel on your digital watch so each button doesn't need three modes? Extra five dollars to manufacture. And higher failure rate.

    We now have an industry full of chips that double in brainpower every two years, but their connections to the outside world remain the same cost. So you have the same four buttons to access 97 features on your digital watch that used to have six features.

    None of which explains why my now-dead 1990 Quasar VCR had a brilliant little button where one press meant "record now, current channel, for a half hour" and successive presses upped that to a hour, 90min, 2 hrs, etc. The button beside it, you could hit first, to delay recording to the next even half-hour, 2 presses to an hour, etc. These two buttons handled 98% of my timed-recording needs. Every VCR since has required me to go to a menu to set the start-time to the minute, then the duration to same.

    Why did this not become universal? I have no idea. Because they're stupid about human factors?

  33. Re:iPod kind of kludgey by Cryptnotic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    /sarcasm on...

    Wait, dragging a file to the trash will delete it. So won't dragging a disk to the trash delete the disk?

    The Mac UI is not the most consistant thing in the universe. /sarcasm off...

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  34. features==!simple by barfy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The first point is that product manufacturers are the ultimate democratic institution. They make what the consumers want.

    But more to the point.

    For years I would only purchase the cheapest possible microwave. Why? Because they had a knob, and NO temp control.

    Microwaving turns out to be pretty non-exact science. I want my left overs heated, I want my popcorn popped.

    In order to do this in a "good" microwave, it could take a half a dozen to a dozen gestures setting the time to the second (A totally useless time measure when cooking) and the tempreture to a specific setting (which has no human meaning whatsoever).

    In a cheap microwave, it only took a single gesture. Turn the knob to about the right amount of time, and it turns on, cooks for the right amount of time, and shuts itself off.

    A few years ago not even cheap microwaves came with knobs. There are a couple of Restraunt grade ones that do (They appreciate the minimum number of steps in a restraunt), but they are hard to locate and very expensive. But I was resigned to my purchase.

    I moved into a new home, and it had a built in microwave. A really nice Sharp, with a TON of buttons. With horror I began schemeing how to get rid of the beast.

    But the story has a happy ending. I still do exactly the same things I do with the microwave, heat leftovers, and pop popcorn. And the sharp has two buttons that do precisely that. It has a heat leftovers button. And it has a pop popcorn button. 1 Gesture, and now I don't even have to know "how long". The amount of technology to pull this off, is magnitudes greater than my old microwave, but nonetheless, nearly unbelievably my new microwave is simpler to use than the one with just a knob.

    The marketplace has come to solve a problem I didn't even really know I had. To make my microwaving life even easier. As with all technology that I buy and love, it is exactly that power of the marketplace that gets me what I want.

    1. Re:features==!simple by barfy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just to add some clarification...
      Yes I have successfully popped popcorn by reading the instructions...
      And I could do it in 1 gesture on the old microwave, based on my experience with the brand of popcorn and the miserable strength of the old microwave... But that is not the point.
      There are over a dozen buttons on my new microwave. Including an add minute button, which is great for when I want to cook a garden burger or something...

      But this isn't the point.

      The point is that there are two buttons that reheat food and pop popcorn. It doesn't do it by simply using a fixed time and a fixed strength... It does it by detecting when the leftovers are warm, and when the bag of popcorn has expanded.

      That is a non-trivial amount of instrumentation and programming compared to just a mechanical dial.

      And the result of these features, is a microwave that is *easier* to use for the major if not sole use of the device.

  35. Cell phones... can't live with them x 2 by Txiasaeia · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Y'know what I like about the explosion of cell phones? I don't need to invest in one. Every single time I've had car trouble, there are fellow drivers tripping over each other to lend me theirs. When I need to make a call at school, I either use a pay phone (I know, an entire *quarter* for one call! amazing!) or borrow a friend's, because they all not only have a cell, but have an unlimited usage plan.

    What happens if somebody needs to get ahold of me? They call my house and leave a message. It's amazing how that works.

    If they made a cell phone *just* for making calls, no extended contracts, a monthly fee of $15 for unlimited use and a phone that costs $50, I'd get a cell phone. Until then, I'll stick to my landline and the ubiquous pay phone.

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  36. gee whizz bang phones by iggymanz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    funny on my last consulting job the people I worked with had all these very high tech japanese phones that did everything, but when we went into the elevators or below ground at the Chicago Daley Center their phones would stop working, but my very basic butt-ugly Motorola V120 was the only thing that could work. I'd rather spend money on having low-signal strength sensitivity than web browsing, cameras, modem jack, games, custom ring tunes & all that other crap

  37. Posters: RTFM, please! by Mitreya · · Score: 2, Informative
    Is it too much to ask that the poster reads the article before submitting the summary? How did this miraculous transformation happen?:

    Article:

    The data also showed that 25 percent of consumers thought they already owned a high-definition television -- the true number is less than half that.

    Slashdot summary:

    Also cited, 25% of people think they own an HDTV, when the actual number is less than 10%.

  38. Feaping Creaturism by KitFox · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I think that Nextel might be the only ones to do well with that idea, and then MAYBE only barely. Consider this:

    "What does this phone do?"
    "Well, it makes calls, stores your phone book, and has this nifty flashlight."

    I could see more people asking WHY the phone has a flashlight than thinking it to be a "Good Feature". Most folks would consider it an unneeded 'bell and whistle' feature that creates an excuse to charge $50 more for the phone. As opposed to:

    "Well, it makes calls, stores your phone numbers, coordinates with your computer, plays games in full color, takes pictures of anything you see fit to take pictures of, sends them to any email address, allows you to play games whenever you are bored or want to spend sone time, lets you send an IM to unobtrusively keep in touch with your coleagues on the go, allows you to play realistic-sounding music for your ring tones, or even record your OWN sound for your ringer..." (And of course 50 other features that sound cool).

    Now, see? THIS would strike people as "It does all that for only $99?! COOL!"... However, being able to -USE- all that without a doctorate is another matter for some folks.

    Overall, it's simple: The more things they can put on paper under the "features" section, the more likely folks are to buy it if the price is decent, and they think the features will be fun. They never give the DETAILS of the features that would cause people to reconsider.

    For example, when I worked for T-Mobile, I had to explain to folks that yes, they could "download" their address book to their phone, like it said in the features, but they had to do it two entries at a time from the T-Mobile web site. Oh, yes, and it used a SMS message to send each entry (At cost, oftentimes). And of course, nothing quite as fun as dealing with an upset parent whose daughter had used 13,000 SMS Text messages in one month by using AIM on her phone... It seems so SIMPLE, and easy to use... and makes a huge bill.

    Overall, people are interested in INTERESTING bells and whistles. "I can get a digital camera for $199 or I can get a PHONE with a diital camera and all these other features for $150...", and a flashlight is not considered 'Interesting' to most people. ("I can get a flashlight for $5, or a phone with one for $150...")

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    1. Re:Feaping Creaturism by Mr_Icon · · Score: 2, Funny
      Now, see? THIS would strike people as "It does all that for only $99?! COOL!"... However, being able to -USE- all that without a doctorate is another matter for some folks.

      I see you have clearly never worked in techsupport at a university. :)

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  39. Put more information on your website! by Simonetta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Manufacturers need to learn that in the information age (which is now!) they need to put more and more info on their websites.

    Every product manual should be on the website in PDF!

    Even the products that are ten to fifteen years old!

    For an example of the best example of providing info, look at Yamaha. They have scanned every manual for every music synthesizer model and variation that they have made and have put these scans (in PDF format) on their web site for free download. Considering that this is refers to several hundred models each with manuals that have several hundred pages, this is incredible customer support!! I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Yamaha musical instrument new or used, for fear that I couldn't operate it.
    Plus they did it knowing that it would take years to pay off in additional sales. Great company.

    Now for the chumps! Fry's Electronics gets the price here. Every product , yes every product in the store should have a manual on-line on their website.

    And,

    Every product that they have ever sold in the past ten years should have the manual on their web site. Plus, there should be links to information that people always need to know when they buy stuff there. Like, what type of memory does this motherboard that is on sale this week use? And, 'Can I use this other type of memory for the motherboard that I bought at Fry's three years ago?'.
    Usually at Fry's, nobody knows what the answer to your question is. So people buy the wrong product, can't figure out how to get it working, scoop up most of the parts, and bring it back for a refund. Then they put most of the parts back in the box, put shrinkwrap cellophane around it, and stick it back on the shelves at full price.

    The only way to tell if the product at Fry's is a dud is by the ratio of returned units to the previously unsold ones. If half the boxes are user returns, don't buy it or you too will probably be back to return it. Like the saying goes: 'A trip to Fry's is two trips to Fry's'.
    This monkeyshit mentality wouldn't be so bad if you're not driving fifteen miles each way.

    And they could reduce this nonsense by demanding that each supplier provide a manual in PDF form and a list of FAQ that could be put on the Fry's website before the product goes on sale there.

    But would they do it, no ef'in way. They just don't give a fuck!

    So what't the point?

    MORE DOCUMENTATION!

    1. Re:Put more information on your website! by barc0001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      PDF is easier to use for converting paper documents to a downloadable book like format. A big advantage over HTML is it's portable, and I don't mean by platform, I mean everything you need is in one file. No separate HTML files, no separate graphics files, etc. I have a directory on a server for manuals, and I just download the PDF once and dump it there. No muss, no fuss.

      Ever try taking a page with 3 diagrams or pictures on it and converting it to HTML quickly while retaining the formatting? Now do that for dozens of pages on hundreds of manuals.

      It's like this: I can have a small to moderate manual converted to PDF in about an hour with a good scanner and an hour of a staff member's time. All told, maybe $20-$30 of the company's cash per manual. No biggie.

      Or, I can pay someone to scan and OCR the manual, scan the images, place all the images in the proper places, and two days later have it all working and looking the way it should. All told, a couple hundred bucks per. Looking at that, most companies would say No, period.

      And I wasn't aware that most people couldn't get Acrobat reader. Most people don't use Windows, OSX, Linux, PalmOS, or PocketPC?

    2. Re:Put more information on your website! by rev063 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      How was this modded insightful?

      The point of the article is that most gadgets these days are unusable, despite the documentation. And you think this problem can be fixed with more documentation? Sheesh.

      The problem is lack of design, not lack of documentation.

  40. HDTV by Amorpheus_MMS · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have an HDTV. It's a nice 63cm Philips, says "HDTV" at the front. About ten years old by now.

    Nothing to do with the new standard, but I can see why more people than expected say they have one.

  41. Surely some of it is an interface problem by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "It's a computer, that's what it is. It's got menus and menus. I have to consult a manual anytime I try other features and then I forget how to do it," Sherby said. "If it takes that much effort to learn what to do, forget it."


    Of course, people have said this kind of things about lots of products, including amateur 35mm cameras. Strangely enough, some folks went to trouble of learning how to use them anyway. Those folks know how the complicated controls work.

    That's when the industry changes the controls in the name of "ease of use", thus alienating not only the beginner, but also the person who knew what they were doing before.

    One of the things that pisses me off about my digital camera is that I have to dig through menus to change settings like exposure, f-stop, flash on/off, etc. The camera supports them all in theory, but it is hard to use in practice. Let's see, click here, left, down down down, menu... whoops! Lost the shot.

    There are cameras that have these controls now, but in my experience they are unjustifiably more expensive just for that design.

    Stick to the metaphor, manufacturing guys. If it's a camera, it should be controlled like a camera, even if there's a computer on the inside. That means knobs and dials and stuff that is quick to get at, makes sense if you know what it does, and can be ignored if you don't. Just like the old days.

    It is a question of letting the old dog use the new technology without having to learn the "new trick paradign" too. The functions are the same, why change the controls? What's next, point-and-click blenders?

    On the other hand, the next generation of car drivers might need a gamepad instead of a steering wheel...
  42. Worse than that...key features are neglected by pocopoco · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a professor who mentioned his cell is years old because all the new, small phones can't punch a signal through his house. He likes the big numbers and easy to hit buttons as well. I bet all the people I see at work during lunch time desperately trying to get a call out by standing near the window and finally going outside would appreciate it more than size as well.

    1. Re:Worse than that...key features are neglected by sholden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course many people would prefer not having a transmitter that can "punch" through a house millimeters from their brain...

  43. People Want... by sfgoth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I see dozens of posts saying "people want simplicity." The article is ostensibly making that very point.

    But you know what?

    People BUY complexity. They could buy a Mac, but they buy the PC because it has 'more software'. They could buy a simple phone, but they buy the one with all the gee-wizz features. They could pay $10 for shareware, but they want Photoshop and Word.

    On top of that, it's hard to make things simple. It costs more to make a product easy to use. (Especially with software, where cramming maximal items into the preferences panel seems to be an industry sport.)

    People get what they pay for.

  44. Re:Manufacturers are doing what they're supposed t by hendridm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    > You want these manufacturers to _not_ take advantage of the people dumb enough to believe they are buying something else.

    Heh, reminds me of when I used to work at Best Buy and they would make us try to push Monster Cables on every customer because of their "superior sound quality". Make them pay an extra $40 for cables of which the average person couldn't hear any improvement. I always thought those Monster cables were such a scam.

  45. DisAssocites by quintessencesluglord · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The problem isn't really simplicity vs. complexity (as far as the consumer goes). It is an inability to customize at a reasonable cost.

    It is infinitely easier to make one product with every bell and whistle known to mankind, than build several products to fill a nitch markets (economies of scale and so forth). Manufacturers are keeping it simple as far as production goes: build One with Everything. Every feature a consumer (god I hate that word) wants is included, and that same model fills the demands of another consumer even though their needs are different.

    Well, except for simplicity, but that is a really small segment of the market.

    Also, price of admission. Value is sometimes denoted by how many features I could buy with x amount of dollars. As the list of features goes up, the perceived value also increases. It doesn't matter if I use those features or not; I am getting more for the same amount of money; an increase in value.

    Scaling that backwards, a simple product becomes nearly worthless to sell. If x product has all these features, a person (much better word) nearly expects a significant reduction in price if product y doesn't have all those features. Except product x was sold with a specific price point in mind. To sell below that is unprofitable.

    Example: when I was shopping around for a HD, the best price I could find for a 20GB (what I needed) and a 120GB were nearly the same. To sell the 20 GB at a comparative price would be around $24. Not even worth the cost of shipping at that point. Regardless of the number of features, the entry price of any product stays relatively static. A good CPU would cost the same today as five years ago (around $400). Except I can't even give my old one away. Scaling backwards makes it completely worthless.

  46. Re:Manufacturers are doing what they're supposed t by CommieLib · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I bought an HDTV-enabled TV (that is, one with a monitor capable of displaying HDTV resolution but without an HDTV receiver) a few months back. In looking around, I found it easy to determine whether the receiver was integrated or not just by looking at the feature card.

    So you think that that's not enough? Well, I'm sorry, but I can't see any simpler way that the TV's could be advertised. Maybe you could draw a line in the sand between "HDTV Television Set" and "HDTV-ready Television Set", but you know what? At least among my A/V enthusiast buddies, an HDTV monitor (see above defintition) is an HDTV. If you couldn't be bothered to have a salesman explain it to you in 15 seconds at Best Buy, there you are.

    BTW, I'm sure in a Communist society, the companies would be sure to fully inform the customer about HDT- oh, that's right; in a Communist society you wouldn't have HDTV. I forgot. Maybe you're ascribing the evils of humanity to capitalism.

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  47. Re:Bjarne Stroustroup quote by anubi · · Score: 3, Funny
    I understand exactly what Bjarne meant.

    Here I am at College, and I find a cellphone, all by itself, left in the bushes behind a little concrete edge often used as a bench. Looks like an expensive little bugger. I retrieve it. Maybe I could call its owner or maybe some of their friends and let their caller ID tell them whose calling, then maybe one of them can help me return it to its rightful owner. Guess what, I get the darned thing turned on, lots of buttons, each does something, but I will be darned if I can get the phone to make a call. I accessed some sort of clock, some scheduler, probably reset a helluva lot of stuff just trying to get back, I could not get the thing back off, and all I could think of is how fast I am draining the tiny thing's batteries with all those display lights flashing all over the keyboard.

    I know once I drain its little battery, I have lost all chance of using it to help me find its owner, as it has nonstandard cells, and I have no way of routing the proper power to the phone's charging connector. Yes, I have top-flight power supplies in the lab which will power damn near anything, but lacking knowledge of what voltage and polarity the phone needs, any attempt to power the phone through the lab supply is apt to be fatal.

    I did not wanna take it to lost and found, as once the phone passes through too many hands, it might stay lost forever. That was my attempt of last resort.

    Never got a call out. But in a few minutes, the thing started buzzing. Ok, someone's calling me, can I even get on the line. They called me three times before I successfully got voice link. It was the owner, calling from a friend's phone. She was still at the college, frantically searching for her phone.

    Man, I felt dumb.

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    "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]

  48. Manufacturers don't know the average Joe by DF5JT · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The average IQ is 100 and this average represents a huge portion of the desired customers and anything more than ten percent off that mark (either way) will miss the intended target audience.

    Modern high tech devices are getting more and more complex and difficult to understand from a conceptional point of view. The average consumer is hopelessly lost when it comes to understanding any of today's high end tech stuff.

    The stuff is designed by incredibly smart people, but usually they don't know the average consumer's way of thinking, which is why dumb devices like iPods are so successful: They can be handled by the average joe.

  49. one word: design by rev063 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Umm, what's quality control got to do with this article? All the testing in the world isn't going to make a poorly designed, feature-packed and misoriented product any easier to use.

    I'll give you one word: design.

    The quote at the end of the article gets it right: "The simpler it looks," Nielsen said, "the harder it is to build." Great design exudes simplicity, but it's surprising hard to get right. The iPod did a good job, by focusing on making music, and music alone, available through a simple interface. (I despaired to find you could maintain a calendar and play games on an iPod, but who does that? Fortunately these unnecessary features didn't interfere with the design too much.) My DirecTV DVR gets it mostly right too -- I shudder to think of all the things they could have added (partial show recording? a trashcan? games?) and I'm glad they didn't.

    On the other hand (and as the article points out) every cellphone I've seen in the last two years has been a failure. The failure is not in QA, and it's not in documentation. It's certainly not in the user. The failure is in design.

  50. Re:KISS is good, but it prevents progress. by zpok · · Score: 2, Insightful

    KISS is the direct result of progress. Or a byproduct if you prefer.

    Most designs go from simple to complicated to simple again.

    A point in case is the computer interface. It has gone from command line to graphical interface, over time the gui has become so feature laden that in the end there was a demand for simplicity again.

    Which BTW is far from the same as dumbing it down, a case in point being OS X which allows for extreme complexity but by doing Simple Stupid gestures.

    Thus, I think we should follow KISS as much as we can, developers, engineers, product designers should always be on the lookout to incorporate existing complications and try to re-invent them in simple stupid ways.

    Who doesn't like Rendezvous? It does extremely clever things with let's face it complicating protocols. And it allows for really cool things, like sharing pictures and music libraries over a network with a simple click.

    That's another definition of progress: not just making technology, but making technology available.

    (disclaimer: this is of course a very narrow definition of progress, since it doesn't enhance well being or general happiness, but you get my drift)

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  51. KISS confused with features by zpok · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been reading halfway through the comments (what, you expect me to read the article?) and it suddenly grabbed me that a lot of people were complaining about features.

    And some other people pointed out that people ask for features.

    Yet at the same time we want things to be simple.

    Well, I like lots and lots of features, but I want them to be simple. That's why I for instance Love Photoshop and won't use Gimp. Photoshop has more features though...

    OK, I'm moving away from computer programs to avoid religious discussions...

    My wife and I both have the cheapest, simplest phones around. They share the same feature set (games, diddly tunes, whatever), but mine has a Nokia-like interface, hers a weird one. Mine is simple, hers is complex.

    Same features, same product, mine simple, hers complex. She uses hers every day, but still can do some things better on my phone, while they are quite different in approach.

    It's not the amount of features, it's the DESIGN. That's what KISS means. There are more than enough one function devices around that are really really complex, bad or plain stupid (simple stupid: good. plain stupid: bad).

    That's btw the difference between a good gui and a dumb-it-down pretty pictures approach.

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  52. Re:Do you... (slightly off main topic) by kfg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No, I'm afraid not. Other than posting on a few select forums and doing some work on other people's websites I am virtually invisible to the web.

    No blog. No personal website.

    I'm afraid I rather like it that way.

    I don't do anything particularly revolutionary though. It's a fairly well worn field. You might want to look into playing with elastomers to replace the coilover. They have their limitations but they're interesting nonetheless and if used perspicaciously result in some rather different layouts than coilovers do since they can be placed differently, be molded into various shapes and be made up in mulitple layers each with different properties. Most people's dissatisfaction with them comes from just using them as a coil replacment. Various torsion devices are also unduly overlooked. Check out the front suspension on the Lotus 72. Modern materials also open up the possiblity of very short leaf springs incorporated directly in the suspension arms themselves, flexible but solid bits replacing spherical bearings or other types of mechanical pivots. Ferrari did this on an F1 a few years ago (banned as not complying with the letter of the rules, although it really didn't violate the spirit).

    I haven't built anything like a sand rail in 30 years, but you'll probably find the coil over the 98% solution because of the suspension travel needed. They've become the default method for a reason. I only work on pavement pounders these days where the limitations of certain systems never really get pronounced.

    But as you say, it's fun just to do new things.

    KFG

  53. No! No! No! Don't dumb down my devices! by Preferred+Customer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So some people can't figure out how to use the things they buy. Too bad. I say add more features. Many features require little in the way of additional hardware. Why not include them even if they're not used often? Granted, sometimes there are bad interfaces but a bad interface is better than NO interface!

    It's sad. Look at what happened to digital watches. They're much more reliable than analog watches and they died only because people couldn't figure out how to set them to the correct time.

    On a similar note, I'm beginning to hate PowerPoint. Why does everything have to be broken into bite size pieces? Give me high density information. I'm a big boy. I can read a white paper.

  54. A note on the bygone simplicty of software by rs79 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Phones seem to have gotten more complex; perhaps there is hope they emerge as the dominant pocket appliance - it seems sure something will emerge as such, at least to me. I don't want to have to worry about carrying more than one device and yes it would be nice if it had a flashlight and also unlocked my car and started it too.

    So, whoever said it is right, phones are getting more complex. This is probably ok if you really think about it.

    CD players aren't really, and the same goes for VCRs and DVD players. They can all now be had very very cheaply in their most simple form. This is, I think, a good thing. One might argue, they've been around longer as consumer appliances and they've figured KISS out.

    But, I'm not seeing a whole lot of KISS in the software world. Especially in the Windows world.

    With the exception of most decent and I mean really decent *nix software, most software seems to have gone on a sugar and steroid fad diet for nearly the past few decade.

    Ever see MSDOS 2.2 run on a multi gighertz modern machine? Try it. It's scary fast. What happened?

    Ten years ago I used to setup internet stuff in people houses for a local ISP. It was a good way to make $100/hr as it really didn't take more than 45 minutes anyway. I carried around Netscape on one flopy, Eudora, Trumpet Winsock, ftp, telnet and talk on the other floppy.

    Quark was 3 megs. Then it was 7 megs. Now it's 300. Is it 100x better? Fuck no, it's not even as good.

    Fit enough for an internet setup on a floppy? I'm not sure you could get it to fit on one CD these days.

    If any of you out there actually write this stuff: WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? HAVE YOU NO PRIDE?

    "Hello World!" Shouldn't be 7 frikkin megs because you're pulling in God knows what class libraries, this can be 42 byte program if you really try.

    I swear Windows apps had to go through 3 or 4 generations of hardware upgrades just to get back to as fast as they were before they all went "true 32 bit" and I cringe at the prospect of 64 and maybe even 128 bit apps.

    One of the computers I use is a W98 system on fairly contemporary hardware. I still use 3 or 4 16-bit Windows programs I've been carrying with me for over a decade now. They're small, fast do what I want and nothing more.

    And all 3 fit on one floppy with room to spare.

    I dunno about thit object oriented class library stuff, I really don't know. I wish more people would learn assembler below the C level than keep wanting to go above it with "easier" and "more powerful" languages; I think it's ill advised.

    Short term pain for long term gain: you should probably suffer writing software so I don't have to when using it.

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    1. Re:A note on the bygone simplicty of software by KitFox · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "Hello World!" Shouldn't be 7 frikkin megs because you're pulling in God knows what class libraries, this can be 42 byte program if you really try.

      30 bytes. :) Push the following through Debug.exe...
      a
      push cs
      pop ds
      mov dx, 10E
      mov ah, 9
      int 21
      mov ax, 4C00
      int 21

      e 10e 48 65 6c 6c 6f 2c 20 57 6f 72 6c 64 21 0A 0D 24
      rcx
      1e
      n hello.com
      w
      q

      And it will happily create a 30-byte working hello.com

      I swear Windows apps had to go through 3 or 4 generations of hardware upgrades just to get back to as fast as they were before they all went "true 32 bit" and I cringe at the prospect of 64 and maybe even 128 bit apps.

      Interesting thing to consider... I'm going to have to look up the source, or perhaps somebody can confirm or deny it, but apparently somebody researched program start up time. They had a way to cause complex programs, things like MS Word, Photoshop, and such, to effectively "Load Instantly". Double-click, and it was up in 2 seconds or less. And people did not like that. People felt more secure with slower-loading times, generally being happy when it was around 7-15 seconds. They effectively felt that the software was "Doing More" and "More capable" if it took that long to load, and that if it loaded instantly, it must not be much. So Microsoft went and slowed down their own loads a bit. But then other software loaded quickly... So, Windows artificially slowed down the loading of other software to help Microsoft's software look better.

      Anybody have more info on this?

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  55. In short by Kopretinka · · Score: 2, Insightful
    What can be done to make manufacturers get their heads into the real world?

    In short: get the customers' heads into the real world.

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  56. Nice going, guys. by rs79 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ohthankgod, I had thought aliens had secretly killed everybody else that knew machine language.

    Also encouraging is things like Operas archive where you can still get an award winningly small (gads, only 3.4M) browser.

    So I dunno if I share the doom and gloom of the article. To some extent eveythings eventually ends up in it's simplest and most efficient form because we aren't the only ones here that want KISS.

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  57. The Best UI by severoon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My buddy tells me he thinks the best user interface company is...Fischer-Price. Think about it--they literally make UIs that even a two-year old can figure out.

    I did a bit of HCI (Human-Computer Interface) studying in college, and one approach always appealed to me. It's the tiered approach. Here's how it works.

    You're designing the UI for a widget. Find out how the simplest users are going to use the thing. Those functions get special buttons, the easiest navigation, big and prominent. Then you figure out how intermediate users are going to use the product. Those functions are given one-touch buttons and placed off to the side in the hunt'n'peck section (include your own "huntin' pecker" joke here).

    Then there's the geeks. These features you can bury deep in menus that require special codes to get to them ("press slash, dot, enter the feature code, and you'll be transported to a menu..."). This always seems to make people happy. Look at the TiVo remote. Like the guy in the article said, he uses pause the most. The biggest button on TiVo? Pause. Big, yellow, right in the center.

    Then there's products where you don't have any single group of "simplest" users. Some of these people are buying it to do X, and some Y. In that case, you ask them up front what type of user they are and...whatever functions they're going to use the most get the most prominent places. This strategy is not always possible, but I've yet to see it fail where it has been applicable.

    sev
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