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Meet Linux Kernel 2.6.2, 'Feisty Dunnart'

hatrisc writes "As of about 10:04 pm on February 3rd, Linux users can grab the official 2.6.2 kernel release from kernel.org. A lot of PPC fixes. Changelog is here." omniru writes "Linux kernel 2.6.2 aka 'Feisty Dunnart' released," and adds some possibly useful information "about Dunnarts, in case you've never heard of them before. Changes include ACPI, Bluetooth, USB, XFS and many more improvements and fixes." gowdy suggests eager downloaders use a mirror.

260 comments

  1. linux.conf.au by Marlor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Looks like Linus's trip "down under" inspired this kernel release... the Dunnart is a type of Australian marsupial. The Tasmanian Devil is probably the best known example.

    1. Re:linux.conf.au by Marlor · · Score: 5, Informative

      Looks like Linus's trip "down under" inspired this kernel release... the Dunnart is a type of Australian marsupial. The Tasmanian Devil is probably the best known example.

      Actually, to correct myself, the Tasmanian Devil is not a type of Dunnart, although they both belong to the genus "Sminthopsis".

    2. Re:linux.conf.au by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

      Looks like Linus's trip "down under" inspired this kernel release...

      Good thing he didn't pick up the Crocodile Dundee, Steve Irwin, or a naked aborigena. But then, given the size of the Linux tarball these days, I think Ayers Rock would have been more appropriate than a 50 gram rodent ...

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    3. Re:linux.conf.au by lwells-au · · Score: 3, Informative

      More correctly, Uluru -- Ayers Rock is the name given to Uluru by the white invaders.... errr, settlers.

      http://www.deh.gov.au/parks/uluru/

    4. Re:linux.conf.au by ozbird · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, to correct myself, the Tasmanian Devil is not a type of Dunnart, although they both belong to the genus "Sminthopsis".

      Tassie Devils and Dunnarts are in the same family, Dasyuridae. They are not in the same genus; the Tassie Devil belongs to the genus Sarcophilus (specifically, Sarcophilus laniarius.)

      This page has a pretty neat browser of the taxonomy of the Dasyuridae family (amongst others).

      I've seen a couple of dunnart species, Fat-tailed Dunnart and Chestnut Dunnart, in the wild. They are cute, particularly when mum has the kids hanging to her back. While the resemble mice, they're actually quite ferocious insectivores (with nasty, big, pointy teeth - well, pointy anyway.)

    5. Re:linux.conf.au by zulux · · Score: 1

      More correctly, Uluru -- Ayers Rock is the name given to Uluru by the white invaders.... errr, settlers.


      So if we're writeing in Englush - We can all say Ayers Rock.

      Other languages will have their own names for it but I doubt that the written form that that the first-settelars in Australua lookes even remotly like the psudo-engliish "Uluru"

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    6. Re:linux.conf.au by Hugh+George+Asm · · Score: 5, Informative
      Looks like Linus's trip "down under" inspired this kernel release...

      It was more than inspiration. Linus did a charitable fundraiser for Cystic Fibrosis, and offered to name the next release after the Austrialian animal of the highest bidder's choice. Someone gave a few thousand dollars ($3600 to be exact) to choose this name. Next Linux kernel to get Aussie name

    7. Re:linux.conf.au by Directrix1 · · Score: 1

      Is that whole atapi fiasco fixed yet?

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    8. Re:linux.conf.au by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You being the expert on pseudo-English, judging by your typing skills.

    9. Re:linux.conf.au by Skiron · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here is the lkml announcement

      Linus' announcement

      and the guy who named it here

      Nick

    10. Re:linux.conf.au by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does that have to do with marsupials?

    11. Re:linux.conf.au by TwistedGreen · · Score: 1

      I doubt they even had a written form, but that's not terribly relevant. The romanized transcription 'Uluru' is probably more or less right. Whether a language has a native alphabet or not, you can still transcribe it phonetically.

    12. Re:linux.conf.au by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And with your spelling, it would appear that the least letters required the better by the looks of it.

    13. Re:linux.conf.au by Snoopy77 · · Score: 1

      There's more to Australia than crocodile men, it's spelt aborigine, we'll forgive you for calling it Ayers Rock but a big thumbs up for using the metric measurement system.

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    14. Re:linux.conf.au by RoadkillBunny · · Score: 0

      If I remember correctly, it is named after Australian animal because Linus auctioned the rights to the name at the Australian Linux Conference.

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    15. Re:linux.conf.au by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, I wish I was a cool speling nazi like you.

  2. Sminthopsis crassicaudata crassicaudata by radicalskeptic · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a clearer (and much cuter) picture of a Fat-tailed Dunnart (Sminthopsis crassicaudata crassicaudata).

    Awwwwwww....

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  3. Use a mirror?? by greppling · · Score: 4, Funny
    Current bandwidth utilization 180.74 Mbit/s

    Come on slashdot, you can do better than that!!!

    1. Re:Use a mirror?? by The+One+KEA · · Score: 1, Funny

      Indeed. I've seen kernel.org use 275Mbit/s of a 250Mbit/s connection ;-)

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    2. Re:Use a mirror?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Everyone is thinking far too small. Instead of downloading 2.6.2 they should all be rsync'ing the entire server. Think outside the box; PARADIGEM.

    3. Re:Use a mirror?? by CvD · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I know they have a lot of bandwidth, but why aren't they using BitTorrent? This is a perfect application for BitTorrent. It could save them quite a bit of money, I would imagine. Money that could be spent elsewhere? And there's no risk of trojaned source files if they host their own tracker and make their own .torrent files, right? What am I missing here?

    4. Re:Use a mirror?? by Mr_Dyqik · · Score: 1

      > PARADIGEM.

      as in a new paradigem of spelling?

    5. Re:Use a mirror?? by StupidGoose · · Score: 2, Informative

      They really have a 1 Gbit/s connection, but it's (voluntarily) throttled to 250Mbit/s.

    6. Re:Use a mirror?? by wed128 · · Score: 1

      even if someone somehow did fsck up the source files, you could check your torrent download against an MD5 on kernel.org...

    7. Re:Use a mirror?? by Kalak · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here's my torrent

      Call me a Karma whore, but the parent is right, this is exactly the kind of legitimate use BT was made for. (Plus hey, I'm running my orn tracker and made the torrent, so I should get something for my trouble and Karma is about all I'm likely to get.
      Be sure to checksum it against the kernel.org checksum

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    8. Re:Use a mirror?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the torrent file is trusted, then all the pieces will already have been checked with a SHA1 checksum.

    9. Re:Use a mirror?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's sort of like a DIGEM but not quite.

    10. Re:Use a mirror?? by glwtta · · Score: 1
      It could save them quite a bit of money, I would imagine.

      I'm pretty sure their bandwidth is donated (much like their hardware).

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    11. Re:Use a mirror?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Unless you get lucky and just happen to stumble across what you need, it's impossible to find anything. Why would I spend hours looking for a .torrent file that probably won't work when I could just go straight to ftp.us.kernel.org?
      Because you got lucky and stumbled across the torrent file here on Slashdot.
    12. Re:Use a mirror?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because bittorrent requires downloading and installing bittorrent. There are many, many technologies that share bandwidth, it is not worth their time to find out and support them on kernel.org.

    13. Re:Use a mirror?? by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      It was prounounced that way in an ad for some sort of text messaging device. A group of workers send sarcastic notes to each other while a motitivational-speaker looking guy shot off those sorts of buzzwords.

      Or maybe the Coward doesn't know how to spell. They're both good answers.

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    14. Re:Use a mirror?? by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      What if your favorite Linux distribution had a "share" option that would let you share resources, Bit-Torrent style, to distribute patches and updates?

      I'd imagine being able to cap upload/download speed and disk space used so that you aren't terribly inconvenienced, but if it was just a checkbox in the latest distro, it'd sure make updates fast, responsive, and cut hosting costs down to the bone for the distro.

      I know I wouldn't mind sharing a few MB of disk space and 5-10 Kbps "for the cause". Wouldn't you?

      I'd imagine that Fedora or Debian would/should be the first to implement this kind of idea...

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    15. Re:Use a mirror?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Prounounced" , and you are taking the piss out of the spelling of others ?

    16. Re:Use a mirror?? by danalien · · Score: 1
      actually you don't need to checksum a file transfered thru bittorrent (it does it by itself, if a pice is missing, it'll *bork* some 'one pice faild to dl correctly... redownloding...' [anyway, somehing like that..])

      .. on the other hand, if we don't trust you, we should check the file you put up on the torrent corresponds to the 'real thing' ;)

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    17. Re:Use a mirror?? by AsparagusChallenge · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Personally I'd prefer 99+% of the downloaders using the patch. This time is about 2M, and sometimes is smaller. No use in downloading full sources every time, and 2M is not exactly what BT is designed to distribute. Still, for the few first timers who need the first "big" tarball it would be a good return to the bandwidth pool.

    18. Re:Use a mirror?? by anethema · · Score: 1

      I think the point was to make sure to check it against the real kernel incase he has made any hackerish backdoors, etc.

      Just beeing security concious.

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    19. Re:Use a mirror?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a karma whore.

  4. Inside info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    2.6 Kernel was called 'Heathen Chemistry' along the core programmers before it was released.

    1. Re:Inside info by Aardpig · · Score: 3, Funny

      2.6 Kernel was called 'Heathen Chemistry' along the core programmers before it was released.

      Heathen Chemistry? Sounds like crystal meth to me. Will those pinko commie gay nazi 'free software' liberals stop at nothing in their maniacal quest to corrupt our children? Is our children safe?

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    2. Re:Inside info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I hear Alan Cox came up with the name. It was some inside joke about britpop phenomenon.

    3. Re:Inside info by cwj123 · · Score: 1

      Heathen Chemistry is actually an Oasis album... For those curious.

    4. Re:Inside info by TwistedSquare · · Score: 1

      Its an album title, by Oasis.

    5. Re:Inside info by visgoth · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      " Is our children safe?"

      All your children are belong to us!

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  5. Now we know about RH's evil plans to destroy Linux by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Funny

    Linux kernel 2.6.2 aka 'Feisty Dunnart' released," and adds some possibly useful information "about Dunnarts

    So now Linux' mascot is a dunnart uh?

    Well check out this picture from the link in the /. blurb: doesn't that look like a badly wounded rodent implacably attracted by a mentally deranged radioactive red hat?

    Scary if you ask me ...

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  6. Re:Sminthopsis crassicaudata crassicaudata by lewp · · Score: 0

    Holy shit that thing's cool!

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  7. Re:Sminthopsis crassicaudata crassicaudata by pubjames · · Score: 4, Funny

    Damn, that is a cute little beast.

    Better not show it to Disney's lawyers or they'll be suing it for copyright infringement.

  8. Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by r6144 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I don't think many people will find upgrading to a stable release of the kernel interesting. For those who upgrade often, is anything broken for you (including security fixes of course, but there doesn't seems to be anything serious recently), or if not, why do you upgrade to a stable release without significant new features?

    Personally I upgraded from 2.6.0-test11 to 2.6.1-rc3 in order to fix the famous local security exploit. User-mode linux still doesn't work well, but since the 2.6.0-test3 version of the virtual machine on 2.6.1 hosts works mostly (newer umls don't work), I decide to ignore the problem for now. Unluckily the SMTP server of my mail provider has trouble contacting lists.sourceforge.net, so I can't even submit a bug report :(

  9. Re:Sminthopsis crassicaudata crassicaudata by dreamchaser · · Score: 2, Funny

    Disney is lobbying for the CCCA for just that reason. The 'Cute Critter Copyright Act' will put an end to all cuteness unless sanctioned by our new Disney Overlords!

  10. Uh oh by beuges · · Score: 5, Funny

    From the changelog:

    [Bluetooth] Always use two ISOC URB's

    This patch modifies the USB Bluetooth driver to use two ISOC URB's
    per RX and TX transfer paths. This is needed for in time transfer
    of SCO audio packets over HCI.

    Linux is using SCO audio packets too??? Don't let them find out or they'll add it to their lawsuit :P

    1. Re:Uh oh by TheDigitalRaven · · Score: 1
      Linux is using SCO audio packets too??? Don't let them find out or they'll add it to their lawsuit
      How else are we to hear Darl's latest FUD-laden rant in glorious stereo?
    2. Re:Uh oh by raul · · Score: 5, Informative

      For those who dont know what a bluetooth SCO means: SCO stands for synchronous, connection-oriented and its mainly used for voice transport. (mono pcm 8bits 14Khz, if my memory serves me well, but can also be vocalic encoded). But can also be for other realtime relaible communications (video, signaling).

    3. Re:Uh oh by NiteHaqr · · Score: 1

      Damn - you beat me to it - that section is in my cut-n-paste buffer as we speak :)

      Hehe

    4. Re:Uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I fear what video would look like at that kind of bitrate.

      Welcome back Quicktime 1.0!

  11. I dream of fedora... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Man, oh man, I can't wait until Fedora 2 comes out with a 2.6 kernel. Then I'll take the plunge and upgrade all my old systems (running a mixture of 7.3, 8.0, and 9.0).

    HOPEFULLY they'll get swsusp working so I can actually have a reason to use Linux on my laptop (despite being a Linux-only guy since 1995, swsusp hanging my system on every 2nd or 3rd reboot has forced me into the arms of MS. Well, that as well as Centrino wireless support, and digital video editing.)

  12. XFS/NFS by vpscolo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well with any luck this should include the changes which means that XFS on an NFS server doesn't suck royally

    <nathans@sgi.com>
    [XFS] Seperate the NFS reference cache code out from xfs_rw.c to simpli
    fy management of different kernel versions.

    Hopeing that fixes it

    Rus

  13. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by MentlFlos · · Score: 2
    I know that I've been waiting for this. On my box here at work if I run 2.6.0 I can stay up "forever". When I boot into 2.6.1 a memory leak shows up somewhere and I need to reboot every day or so.

    I never bothered to track it down, yes I know I'm a bad geek Perhaps if it still shows up I will poke more.

  14. Re:Useful upgrade information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thanks for the informative link. I checked it out, but unfortunately, as a Linux user, I do not appear to be eligible for upgrade pricing. And there is no way in FUCK I'm paying the price they're asking.

    So I guess I'll be sticking with Linux a little longer. ;-)

  15. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    why do you upgrade to a stable release without significant new features?

    It only takes around a minute ("yum update" for me on Fedora 1) so I figure what the heck... since I power down for the nights anyway it's not a problem.

  16. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by makapuf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because, for any people having an nforce2 board, they will be able to use their ethernet controller on a stable kernel.

  17. Dunnart? by S.I.O. · · Score: 4, Funny

    It looks like a small rat. Darl, please consider it as the new SCO mascot: it comes from Linux and can represent your business practices!

    1. Re:Dunnart? by igloo-x · · Score: 0

      LOL its funny because Darl McBride is the most visable figure behind SCO's recent stock price surge, earning him and fellow shareholders more money than you'll ever see while working at McDonalds. LOL!

    2. Re:Dunnart? by WNight · · Score: 1

      By that measure, the guy who mugs Darl in an alley and takes his cash and Rollex should be more famous, because his hourly wage is even higher. Feh. Crime pays.

      Darl is only making money because nobody has shot him yet. Wait for his crimes to bankrupt someone and we'll see who has the last laugh.

  18. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by BenjyD · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd think that the fix for the "hash key being bound to ctrl-alt-f7 on many British layout keyboards" problem is a pretty good reason for a lot of people to upgrade. Kinda makes it hard to put comments in shell scripts...

  19. your pet and the street you grew up on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Feisty Dunnart???

    Nice! And my "name" is Freddy Fairview, and my girlfriend's "name" is Fluffy Lakes...

  20. Re:Anything broken? IP Masquerading. by MikeD83 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am currently having issues that have been carried over from the 2.4 tree. It involves ip masquerading over multiple network interfaces. The kernel log only reads, "MASQUERADE: Route sent us somewhere else." I hope they have fixed that.

  21. Re:LINUX SUCKS by PatrickThomson · · Score: 1, Funny

    Sucking isn't necesarily a bad thing; ever had a GF?

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  22. where have all the dunnarts gone? by johnfreez · · Score: 2, Informative
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    1. Re:where have all the dunnarts gone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fixed.

  23. Re:Sminthopsis crassicaudata crassicaudata by joib · · Score: 4, Funny


    Awwwwwww....


    Yum! I'm sure they taste good! ;-)

  24. Dammit... by Spacejock · · Score: 5, Funny


    ... I'm still compiling KDE 3.2.0

    Simon

    1. Re:Dammit... by Rufus211 · · Score: 1

      finally, a Gentoo user who isn't expounding the virtues of compiling

    2. Re:Dammit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! Compiling is GREAT! I LOVE taking multiple hours to get X compiled. LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE.

  25. Discount? by bazik · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do I get a discount from SCO if I upgrade from a earlier Version?

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  26. Thank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thank god they fixed this:

    [SCTP] Remove the extra semicolon in sctp_cacc_skip_3_1().
    it was REALLY slowing down the performance on my machine!

    1. Re:Thank by archeopterix · · Score: 4, Funny
      Thank god they fixed this:

      [SCTP] Remove the extra semicolon in sctp_cacc_skip_3_1().

      it was REALLY slowing down the performance on my machine!

      Greetings, fellow Gentoo user.
    2. Re:Thank by riprjak · · Score: 1

      ;) A *real* gentoo user runs "time emerge -ep world" once a month even if they haven't upgraded anything... we just like the purty numbers...

      hmm, methinks I need to cut back a little on the antibiotics..

      err!
      jak

    3. Re:Thank by AigariusDebian · · Score: 1
      ;) A *real* gentoo user runs "time emerge -ep world" once a month even if they haven't upgraded anything... we just like the purty numbers...


      *If* the compile from the last month has already completed, that is.

      OTOH we, Debian users like to put "apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade" into our daily crontabs ;)
  27. Looking for RPMS. by AltGrendel · · Score: 3, Funny

    Anyone know a reliable source where I can get 2.6 kernel RPMS for RedHat 7.3? Rpmfind doesn't seem to have any of them yet.

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    1. Re:Looking for RPMS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not just build the kernel from the tarball? It only takes about 15 minutes on an unloaded pentium4 and besides, you can custom tune the kernel for your specific hardware. As for RPMS, I don't expect to see any till the major distros come out with product in 4-6 months (although RedHat said they are explicitly staying away from 2.6 for possibly longer till more performance tuneing has been done, and are just backporting features to the 2.4 series). In the mean time, 2.6.2 runs fantastic on Fedora Core 1. Just add /sys and /udev and enjoy!

  28. Google wack! by valentyn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Feisty Dunnart is a Google Whack! (But will probably not last for long :)

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    1. Re:Google wack! by Sumocide · · Score: 1, Funny

      [nitpick] No it's not, dunnart is not in Google's dictionary. Therefore it's not a valid whack.

    2. Re:Google wack! by fatwreckfan · · Score: 1
      You may look up either feisty or dunnart at Dictionary.com

      299,000 results contain feisty
      3,110 results contain dunnart
      1 result (from Whack's location) contains feisty dunnart

      Google whacked, but did not link to definitions for both your Googlefactors.

      Perhaps one is misspelled; use the links above to check. However, Google does not link to every definition at dictionary.com. Sorry, but without that link you may not add to The Whack Stack.


      Too bad, it was close those :D
    3. Re:Google wack! by PReDiToR · · Score: 1

      Google uses dictionary.com, in case someone would like to get this word inserted anytime before /. is indexed and we lose a perfectly (should be) good whack.

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  29. Re:Sminthopsis crassicaudata crassicaudata by LizardKing · · Score: 1, Funny

    With lugholes that big they must go through a lot of ear buds.

    Chris

  30. ACL? by Lussarn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does anybody know if ACLs will become standard in 2.6 (Is there even ACL patches out for 2.6)?

    1. Re:ACL? by imroy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, ACLs are supported on most filesystems. Ext2/Ext3, JFS, XFS, and the /dev/pts fs. No ReiserFS yet though :(

    2. Re:ACL? by r6144 · · Score: 4, Informative
      It has been supported in the vanilla kernel for quite some time now, on ext3 (IIRC xfs is supported too).

      Note that you need to add the mount option "acl" for the ext3 filesystem. It is documented in the latest tune2fs manpage. Then you can use "setfacl" (the version in RH9 is usable) to set the ACL like this:

      a@foo$ touch test
      a@foo$ chmod go-r test
      a@foo$ setfacl -m 'b:r--' goose.c
      The user named "b" can now read goose.c.
    3. Re:ACL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/suse-people/jeffm/reiser fs/aclea/2.6.0-test11/

      These patches allow you to use ACLs with reiserfs3, like you would with ext3.

      I'm using them with 2.6.1-rc1, didn't have time to upgrade to a newer kernel yet.

  31. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by croddy · · Score: 1
    on my audio-editing system, I'm still running 2.4.22 with andrew morton's patches. last time I saw any benchmarks, the 2.4 kernels were outperforming 2.6 kernels on single-processor systems -- is that still true?

    I'd be more than happy to upgrade, if there's a tangible performance advantage... anyone?

  32. USB-Storage? by ThisIsFred · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anyone know what happened with the usb-storage module from 2.4.21 to the present? They added support for SD MMC cards, and it works fine in 2.4.24. But, 2.6.1 has a new SCSI driver that gives me up to a 20 per cent boost in throughput, however, the memory card support vanished.

    ??

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    "A fool and his freedom are soon parted"
    -RMS
    1. Re:USB-Storage? by YellowSubRoutine · · Score: 1

      I don't know what you did, but it's still there.
      I wish I could be more helpfull, but...

    2. Re:USB-Storage? by iCEBaLM · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is there, the problem I've been seeing is that if you don't have a card in the reader on boot (module load) then the partitions don't get read and you can't mount it if you swap cards out. Quite annoying.

    3. Re:USB-Storage? by ThisIsFred · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the follow-ups.

      Well, here's the whole situation: I have an MP3 player with internal memory and also a slot that accepts an SD card. In 2.4.20, I could only see the internal memory. I read that this was fixed in 2.4.21, but 2.4.24 was the latest, so I got that.

      In 2.4.24, when I plug the sucker in and turn it on, the internal and external memory show up as the two next available SCSI devices. When I temporarily moved to 2.6.1, I made sure that I had the USB kernel stuff configured the same way. Under 2.6.1, only the internal memory shows up.

      Maybe I should be looking elsewhere for the device name other than /dev/sdx?

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      Fred

      "A fool and his freedom are soon parted"
      -RMS
    4. Re:USB-Storage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get kernel oopses when I remove anything using the usb mass storage driver; mounted or not. Everything works fine until I go to unplug it. khubd crashes, usb becomes unusable, and the machine gets screwy after that. Any fixes for that?

    5. Re:USB-Storage? by BillyBlaze · · Score: 1

      One solution to that problem is to eject the device, which causes a rescan of the partition table. Find the device node (I can't remember if disc or generic) under /dev, and run "eject /dev/foo/bar" I think you do this after inserting the next media.

    6. Re:USB-Storage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      do you have hotplug turned on in the kernel?

  33. Weird entry in the changelog spotted! by mandark1967 · · Score: 5, Funny

    [Patch] Added SCO I.P. to Kernel so we would have a case.

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  34. ATI? by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 1

    Anyone know if this works with the ATI drivers. I tried 2.6.1 recently, recompiled fglrx.o, but only get a black screen when I startx.

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    1. Re:ATI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      radeon 7000, 32 mb...works fine in 2.6.1 for me. OpenGL is pretty quick, too.

    2. Re:ATI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      My 8500 *mostly* works ..

      I get a Trace/Breakpoint trap when i run any opengl app but if i run it with strace and send all the output to /dev/null the apps themselves work great.

      *STILL* searching for a fix for this :\

    3. Re:ATI? by Carcass666 · · Score: 1

      Did you try re-running their configuration program? Anything interesting in your XFree log?

    4. Re:ATI? by martin_b1sh0p · · Score: 1

      My ATI 9200 card works with the drivers I downloaded from ATI.com. Kernel = 2.6.1.

    5. Re:ATI? by torenth · · Score: 1

      It depends on if you got new drivers from DRI recently as well. If you got binary drivers (from the snapshots), you're out of luck, since I just discovered that the binary drivers are broken for now. Supposedly, they should be just fine from CVS, but I didn't get them to compile. After nuking my X11R6 directory and reinstalling X, however, accelleration works just fine again.

      If you're curious, the page I finally found that told me they were broken is buried here.

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    6. Re:ATI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turn your monitor on.

    7. Re:ATI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.wlug.org.nz/RadeonNotes

      That should clear up all your ATI/Radeon problems.

  35. Re:Sminthopsis crassicaudata crassicaudata by inode_buddha · · Score: 1, Funny

    I can just hear the DeadRat jokes now...

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  36. Re:Anything broken? IP Masquerading. by edesio · · Score: 5, Informative

    I had the same problem. The patches found at http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/#routes solved the problems.

    I intend to send a "minimal" patch to Marcelo soon.

  37. How about a Feature Summary/Overview... by dbretton · · Score: 1

    For those of use who aren't in-the-know about the latest kernel..

    What features does 2.6 have?
    What features does 2.6 have that 2.4 does not?

    1. Re:How about a Feature Summary/Overview... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2.6.x is like the 2.4.x series, but it supports less hardware. It also has updated drivers, most notably *real* ATAPI support. Linux users can finally leave 1995 and have some decent support for their fast IDE hard disks. You may even be able to burn CDs faster than at 8x, but I can't promise anything.

    2. Re:How about a Feature Summary/Overview... by Phaid · · Score: 4, Informative

      A really good summary of the new features of the 2.6 kernels is in Dave Jones' the Halloween 2.0 document. It also points out a lot of the common problems people have when migrating from 2.4 to 2.6 and how to work around them, so it's well worth a read.

    3. Re:How about a Feature Summary/Overview... by beat.bolli · · Score: 2, Informative
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    4. Re:How about a Feature Summary/Overview... by gid · · Score: 1

      2.6 actuallys supports my newer hardware better, it finally has real sound drivers for my sound card due to alsa, I actually haven't noticed any increase in hard drive performance, and I could always burn cds faster than 8x.

      but that's just my experience on two different machines.

    5. Re:How about a Feature Summary/Overview... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those who like it short: A 2.6 migration HOWTO / FAQ ...

    6. Re:How about a Feature Summary/Overview... by nineoneone · · Score: 1

      I upgraded to 2.6.1 a couple weeks back - lost the use of my USB flash memory, sound and cdr. Oh and the winmodem driver was useless with the new kernel. So I had to revert to 2.4...

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  38. Fedora... by nycsubway · · Score: 1

    I agree, Fedora is a nice system. Very user friendly during the install, and actually quite easy to use and configure for someone without any Linux experience.

    Unfortunately, according the Fedora website, the release of test1 for Core 2 has been delayed. I'd assume it means the final release will be delayed because of that too.

    My plan until then is to try one of the kernel-2.6.x rpms in the development directory in Core 1. Though they haven't put out 2.6 kernel updates as part of the up2date updates, they have been making the rpms available in the development directory.

    1. Re:Fedora... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The delay is only until the end of the week, at
      least that's what was said here:

      http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/developer/0,390 20 387,39145291,00.htm

    2. Re:Fedora... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second that... Attempted to upgrade both Redhat 9 and Fedora and that led to kernel panics and modprobe issues. If you google around, you might be able to come across a complete set of instructions but I would look around for many sources before attempting it.

      When my upgrade failed, I switched to gentoo. Fast forward to 4 days later (a bunch of screaming and some hair-loss) and I've got an optimized system with the latest kernel. I plan to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.2 as soon as the sources make their way into portage.

  39. Re:Useful upgrade information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    From the information on the page, it seems that this "OS" only seems to work on 8086 architectures. Is this some kind of joke?

  40. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by Xugumad · · Score: 1

    I have a policy of upgrading and rebooting my systems frequently. It tends to break things. Which is a good thing. It makes sure you only have to deal with little problems, instead of years worth of problems at once.

    I currently sys-admin half a dozen servers. When I inherited them, they were massively out of date, and hadn't been rebooted in years. The sys-admins had nightmares about what would happen if they ever had to be rebooted. So I scheduled some downtime, and rebooted them. Took me 8 hours to get the server back up again. I then fixed all the problems that had shown up, and updated the server to the latest of everything. Server reboots now occur every few weeks (generally for kernel updates), and take a matter of minutes.

  41. ACLs by gregarine · · Score: 0

    Does 2.6.x have Access Control Lists (ACLs) built in?

    If not when is this coming?

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  42. Goooo! by FIGJAM · · Score: 4, Funny

    I had images turned off when looking at the dunnart link, so i could read that it was a marsupial. When I enabled images, as it was coming through I saw a thumb but mistook it for a penis... and immediately thought of Richard Gere

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  43. Re:Sminthopsis crassicaudata crassicaudata by swv3752 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I for one, welcome our new Disney Overlords. :-P

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  44. Oh... by asr_man · · Score: 4, Funny

    For a moment I thought he had named the release in Darl's honor. But that would be "feisty dimwit"...

    1. Re:Oh... by sabat · · Score: 0


      Or "Litigious Bastard".

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  45. It was gonna be 'Wallaby' by Skiron · · Score: 2, Flamebait

    Linus Torvalds has auctioned off the right to name the next Linux kernel

    It could have been worse I suppose... ;)

    [root@Linux233 linux]# uname -a
    Linux Linux233.linicks.net 2.6.2 #1 Wed Feb 4 13:55:28 GMT 2004 i586 unknown unknown GNU/Linux

    Nick

    1. Re:It was gonna be 'Wallaby' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linus Torvalds has auctioned off the right to name the next Linux kernel

      Lets call it "Hurd"!

    2. Re:It was gonna be 'Wallaby' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      No Stallman and quit asking.

  46. Re:LINUX SUCKS by sik0fewl · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    . . . ever had a GF?

    You're new here, aren't you?

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  47. And by EachLennyAPenny · · Score: 1

    the URL found links to "NT-animals.html".

  48. Re:Anything broken? IP Masquerading. by inode_buddha · · Score: 2, Informative

    Jozsef Kadlecsik:

    * [NETFILTER]: Fix NAT leak with fragmented packets, missing conntrack put in ip_copy_metadata()

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  49. Re:Sminthopsis crassicaudata crassicaudata by Tore+S+B · · Score: 1

    Somewhere, at Disney HQ...
    I can picture it now... a movie about dunnarts... Danny, I call him... John! Get the lawyers on line! We've got an OS to ruin! Except the CEO probably isn't a geek.

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  50. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Ethernet interfaces on my 2.6.1 system occasionally flap. They stay nonfunctional for about a minute and then come back. I thought it might be the new intel eepro driver so I switched to the old one, same problem. So I installed a 4 port tulip board, same problem.

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  51. Re:Fedora by hyperstation · · Score: 1

    ahem. gentoo?

  52. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by Shados · · Score: 1

    speed wise, yes (last I checked), but if I remember well, 2.6 traded some speed for some responsiveness, which in real life desktop tasks, "feels" faster, even if benchmarks won't tell you that. I think, anyway, anyone correct me if Im wrong.

  53. ROFLMFAO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OMG ur teh funney

  54. Re:*BSD is dying by Yellow_Piss_Hat · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Wow, sad is the day when facts are marked as troll!

    Sounds like some people are in denial ;)

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  55. Re:Anything broken? IP Masquerading. by MikeD83 · · Score: 1

    Thanks a bunch, I hope it works for me too :o)

  56. Namespace of kernel nicks... by andalay · · Score: 0

    is going to get annoying if they release every minor upgrade with a new name.

    Fiesty Dunnart
    Fire-breathing Dragon
    Jumping Rabbit

    Not as simple as woody! :)

    1. Re:Namespace of kernel nicks... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Not to worry. Go back three versions, and nobody remembers the nick, they just use the number. And that's 2.6.2.

      (The problem here is that when the sub-versions get into the double digits, sorts are strange. They ought to call it 2.006.002 (though probably 2.06.02 would work just as well, it would risk getting mistaken for a date).

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  57. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by Ianoo · · Score: 3, Funny

    You can put comments in shell scripts?!

  58. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by ViXX0r · · Score: 1

    How does this memory leak manifest itself?

    I think I might be experiencing a similar problem on 2.6.1... even when the system should be idle, the hard drive is active for about half a second every 5 seconds or so. No space is being taken up on my drives, but if I do an lsof I can see a file descriptor (/proc/[pid_of_lsof]/fd) that's very large and is larger every time I check it.

    On a probably unrelated issue, I came home yesterday to my machine with the hard drive running CONSTANTLY and I was unable to elicit a response from the system. I had to hit the reset switch. Everything seemed fine after that, and again, no used HD space was unaccounted for.

    Anyone else have any ideas?

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  59. Re:Sminthopsis crassicaudata crassicaudata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *crickets chirping*

  60. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ARGH! THANK YOU!

    I was wondering what caused that. I was under the impression it was a Gentoo screwup, but I'll be upgrading ASAP now. That was driving me nuts!

  61. 2.6 Upgrade Headaches by Tyler+Durden · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is slightly OT, but gosh am I having problems with upgrading to the 2.6 kernel. The upgrade is from a 2.4.18 kernel running on a SuSE 8.0 installation.

    I've upgraded all the software specified in Changes, but it's a real pain trying to figure out what features to include when doing a "make xconfig". I finally got PPP working after some screwing around, but getting the correct sound modules and making them work correctly has me stumped, as well as some other little things.

    Is a major kernel upgrade usually such a chore, or am I just an idiot? (Or maybe I just have atypical hardware). There're friends I know who would like to run Linux, but if upgrading to the 2.6 tree is usually so difficult I think I'll suggest they wait until the major distributions come with the new kernel already set up.

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    1. Re:2.6 Upgrade Headaches by Skiron · · Score: 2, Informative

      2.4.x -> 2.6.x is quite a big step to get right.

      I followed this 'how-to' here, and then added some other stuff needed to do also (linked on the page).

      Nick

    2. Re:2.6 Upgrade Headaches by octaene · · Score: 1

      Why is that a big step? He's going from 1 production release to another. The 2.5 stuff is not a production release...

    3. Re:2.6 Upgrade Headaches by Skiron · · Score: 1

      New file sys (sysfs), new module approach (old modutils is defunct in 2.6), several other changes required in system files and a lot of system tools need to be upgraded.

      It not just a build and install job.

      Nick

    4. Re:2.6 Upgrade Headaches by Craig · · Score: 2, Informative
      getting the correct sound modules and making them work correctly has me stumped, as well as some other little things.

      I had some trouble with this, too. I don't know how SuSE handles it, but the solution for me was:

      • xconfig & Compile alsa modules for my hardware.
      • get & build alsa-tools (or utils?) from alsa.org
      • run KDE & use the sound-settings utility to set up the alsa mixer properly.
      Then everything seemed to be OK...

      Craig

    5. Re:2.6 Upgrade Headaches by binary+paladin · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's because I was already using ALSA, but the upgrade to 2.6 was painless for me. I might as well have been doing a minor update tp 2.4. I had to recompile my modtools... but that wasn't exactly a problem. I actually upgraded to test9 because I got a CD burner and wanted DMA support for ATAPI. I thought setting up a burner, k3b and a new kernel were going to make for a long night. Turns out a few compiles later, everything was working. I was really sad...

    6. Re:2.6 Upgrade Headaches by BillyBlaze · · Score: 1
      There's now two choices for sound, the nifty ALSA or the obselete OSS. If you're really lazy, then in make menuconfig, just go one level deeper and enable whatever OSS driver you used before (or build them all) as modules. For alsa goodness, don't go as deep and choose whatever ALSA drivers you want. ALSA can emulate OSS, but make sure that's enabled when configuring the kernel. On next boot, it should sound should work (but make sure you unmute everything). You may need to do some config file stuff, check a howto. And for complete alsa goodness, install the userspace libs.

      Yes, this is quite complex. It's much easier if your distro is already set up for ALSA, though.

  62. NOOO! by j_sp_r · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I've compiled 2.6.1 yesterday, and now 2.6.2 is already out. Now I've to compile it again :-(

    1. Re:NOOO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd better compile 2.6.2 now instead, don't you think?

    2. Re:NOOO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly!

    3. Re:NOOO! by RoadkillBunny · · Score: 0

      I've got good news for you. You aren't the only one...

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  63. For belzecue by mandark1967 · · Score: 0

    I do visit more than one site on the internet, ya know..

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  64. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by dnoyeb · · Score: 1

    I had this issue when I tried to use RAID. Also on a drive that was dying.

    Perhaps you are running something like folding@home?

    I don't know, even that does not hit the drive much. I would to a full check on the drive.

  65. Re:Sminthopsis crassicaudata crassicaudata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't imagine there being much meat on them... but being marsupials, I'll bet the pouch especially is delicious!

  66. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by wampus · · Score: 1

    that post made my day. one less third party driver for me to use.

  67. Still no SBP2 fixes by Cthefuture · · Score: 1

    HELLO?! Ben Collins, SBP2 is still broken.

    Why do I have to unplug and replug the firewire cable several times every time I reboot? It gets timeout errors and all sorts of problems. Often all the devices are not detected (I have 3 hard-drives and a DVD-R in the chain).

    I think we need a new person working on the SBP2 stuff. It has been broken for so freaking long it's not even funny.

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    1. Re:Still no SBP2 fixes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's getting there slowly. SBP2 didn't work for a while, but it does now (for me) for external firewire drives. The hotplug part is still broken (turning on the camcorder with the firewire link in connects, but turning off the camcorder takes out all firewire devices) and makes for an unclean shutdown. I haven't tried with 2.6.2 but 2.6.1 would do that. I think some of the problem too is that Ben Collins doesn't have a truckload of different kinds of hardware to use for testing, so has to rely on bug reports a lot of the time. Consider sending him hardware instead of just complaining about his ability to code for hardware 'sight unseen'.

  68. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by t0ny · · Score: 0, Troll
    Personally I upgraded from 2.6.0-test11 to 2.6.1-rc3 in order to fix the famous local security exploit. User-mode linux still doesn't work well, but since the 2.6.0-test3 version of the virtual machine on 2.6.1 hosts works mostly (newer umls don't work), I decide to ignore the problem for now.

    Pssst... saying Linux has any problems (especially security problems) will get you modded down around here...

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  69. Look out for drive failure by r6144 · · Score: 1
    Check /var/log/messages for DMA errors.

    When some blocks of my hard drive failed, it would retry for a long time. During such time anything attempting to access the drive locks up, the drive makes a half-second noise every 5 seconds (the HD LED is always on), and a lot of DMA errors show up in the kernel logs.

    I can't explain the enlarging fd number though.

    1. Re:Look out for drive failure by ViXX0r · · Score: 1

      Nope, nothing in /var/log/messages about DMA (except the DMA enabled messages from kernel boot).

      I'll be putting on 2.6.2 when I get home. We'll see if that makes a difference.

      I'm not running anything like [folding|seti|yeti|etc]@home that should be keeping the system active. Not that I'm aware of anyway :P

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  70. Re:Sminthopsis crassicaudata crassicaudata by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

    thx, I thought it was just me...

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  71. Changelog Translation by Apreche · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I always love to read kernel changelogs. They are always really long and a great way to visualize just how much work is being done on linux all the time. The problem is, that while they are fun to read, they are not particularly informative to the average joe. For example let's look at some excerpts from the winamp changelog.
    * Support for classic Winamp 1.x/2.x/2.9x skins and Winamp 3 ("Modern") skins
    * Fancy new modern skin:
    - Integrated video, AVS, and Milkdrop support
    - Many built-in colorthemes
    * Same ol' classic skin for people who want the Winamp 2 feel
    * Vastly more powerful media library:
    - Automatic background directory scanning options
    - Customizable views and columns, graphical view editor
    - Internet Radio (SHOUTcast) and TV listings
    - Context-sensitive item info viewer
    * CD ripping support (AAC@2x in free version, MP3 at unlimited speeds in pro)
    * CD burning support (limited to 2x in free version)
    and so on. Looking at stuff like this really helps the user like me understand what fixes and changes have taken place. More importantly it allows me to easily determine if any of these fixes or changes will affect me, and how they will do so. This is necessary because I need this information to decide if I'm going to recompile my kernel or not. I propose that in addition to releasing the usual changelog they also make a human readable changelog. Something that would say stuff like this
    USB Lego towers work now
    SATA works now
    Fixed a bug that makes it go faster
    Cleaned a warning so it compiles better
    etc. etc.
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    1. Re:Changelog Translation by Dave2+Wickham · · Score: 1

      So kinda like a typical NEWS file? Yeah, it'd be a good idea to have one of those, it gets annoying grepping changelogs...

    2. Re:Changelog Translation by zurab · · Score: 1
      I always love to read kernel changelogs. They are always really long and a great way to visualize just how much work is being done on linux all the time. The problem is, that while they are fun to read, they are not particularly informative to the average joe.


      Yes, but consider that compiling and installing Linux kernels is not average Joes like installing Winamp is. Kernel compiles and updates are for power users and developers, and they do prefer more detailed information. Average Joes should wait until their distros support the new kernel and advertize its features when deciding whether to upgrade.
    3. Re:Changelog Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are right. I find it good to read too, but the end user dont really give a damn about it. Maybe the changelog would be shrinked to some more important details, because we cannot really simplify minor technical changes language too.

  72. Re:Time to switch!!! by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

    Nice troll, but you'll note that it said changes, not additions. All those features have been in nix for years too, and I *highly* doubt you've have XFS for years in Windows. :-P

  73. Re:Sminthopsis crassicaudata crassicaudata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A rat!! It's in my hair, take it off, take it off!

  74. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

    What are these.... 'comments' you speak of? I do not understand! ;)

  75. Re:Sminthopsis crassicaudata crassicaudata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who said they're new?

  76. WARNING DANGER by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 1

    The 2.6 install instructions you see posted in many places are often incomplete with regards to modprobe configuration. Only do this on a box you are willing to freshly install when things go awry (they will), or wait for Fedora Core 2 (advised).

    1. Re:WARNING DANGER by Karzz1 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Spent all last weekend rebuilding kernels etc... only to have to downgrade back to old modutils and a 2.4 kernel.

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  77. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by tntguy · · Score: 2, Funny

    They're like these things here, except nobody pays attention to them.

    Oh. Wait.

  78. Re:Sminthopsis crassicaudata crassicaudata by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

    Here's a clearer (and much cuter) picture of a Fat-tailed Dunnart

    Now we know what happens when a gerbil and a fox do it. I just hope the gerbil was the male.

  79. I'm sorry--this is so not funny by bonch · · Score: 1

    In every article mentioning a kernel changelog, someone sees the letters "SCO" in it and makes a completely unfunny "Uh-oh, they'll put that in their lawsuit" quip. It doesn't require any forethought or cleverness. Cut it out.

    1. Re:I'm sorry--this is so not funny by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

      Your comment wasn't Insightful either. Everytime someone posts a SCO joke someone posts a comment about how not funny it is. Stop it!

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  80. TUX!!! by NuTTyGuY · · Score: 1

    i guess it sorta looks like tux....

    gots the same eyes atleast :)

  81. Basically... by bonch · · Score: 1

    You're wanting to have reasons for the changes listed. As in, what they actually will affect. That's a good idea.

  82. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by MentlFlos · · Score: 1
    For me it seems to be worse when I sit in X and just lock the workstation at night. I haven't really tested out anything too well though so it may leak all the time. The memory is just "used". No process seems to lay claim to it. Of course I could be just not looking in the right place. As I've said, I just went back to 2.6.0 and didn't worry about it.

    I'm now in 2.6.2 so I guess I will see if whatever that was has been fixed.

    -paul

  83. Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My Matrox G400 too. hahaha.

  84. Should be a good release by bonch · · Score: 1

    After all, it's a palindrome.

  85. goatsee gerbil by NuTTyGuY · · Score: 1

    Now we know what happens when a gerbil and a fox do it

    the goatsee gerbil!

  86. Re:Time to switch!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ACPI sucks balls on my W2K laptop - instead of going to sleep, half the time it just shuts down. And the networking dies. And I only have the option of shitty, fragmented, slow NTFS, not XFS. So shut the hell up, you know-nothing, non-technical idiot.

    Note: I say this as a Windows user. You're a fool.

  87. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by dnoyeb · · Score: 1

    Why is that? I found the latest nforce drivers nvnet to be totally hosed anyway. not because of the kernel AFAIK. I fell back on nvnet 1 release, and all is well.

  88. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 1

    From here, there is precisely ONE thing broken that I keep hoping someone will figure out how to fix...

    For some bizarre reason, on my laptop, when the power source state changes from what it was at startup (i.e. if I plug in AC after I've powered on from battery, or if I unplug from AC after starting up on AC) I lose the Synaptics touchpad completely, and can't get it to work again without a complete power-down and restart.

    Very annoying, but not totally fatal since USB mouse still works, and it doesn't appear to affect anything else. I keep seeing tweaks to the synaptics, ps2-mouse, and acpi parts of 2.6, so maybe one of these days they'll get it fixed.

    I reported the problem to the kernel list, but had to disable the 'sub-mailbox' I was using as my email address because it started getting bombarded with the "Microsoft security update" trojan (got really tired of having my bandwidth clogged by downloading all of those plus the bounces...)...(When my "Aluminum Foil Deflector Beanie" is on, I find myself wondering if a rabid Microsoft fan is monitoring the linux kernel mailing list for addresses to harass...)

  89. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by ungerware · · Score: 1

    Because there's a cleanroom gpl replacement driver in there (forcedeth). You no longer need nvnet at all.

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  90. Don't forget to select ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    CONFIG_DDOS_SCO=y

    1. Re:Don't forget to select ... by Skiron · · Score: 1

      No, you need it CONFIG_DDOS_SCO=m ... then when sco.com is down, the module can be unloaded.

      Nick (jk!)

  91. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eh, I'm using british keyboards with linux since the 2.2 series and never come across that. Admittedly I always use standard PC layout 105 key ps2 ones or laptop keyboards, which ones cause the problems?

  92. More errors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, ISO-C doesn't support URB's. Second, audio packets are doing to dissolve in hydrochloric acid.

  93. Lucky you... by halivar · · Score: 1

    I'm still compiling KDE 2.0.

  94. release notes? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    The changelog is great for those of us tracking specific bugs. But where are the "release notes", which might offer a broader overview of new/working features? When I try to convince someone to upgrade, it's a lot easier to send/quote them the release notes than the changelog. Often the decision maker is neither the executor nor even a technologist.

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  95. Re:Sminthopsis crassicaudata crassicaudata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That photo replaced my Mars rover panoramic shot as my wallpaper. Danke!

  96. Donald Duck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Donald Duck is going to have a SCREAMING ORGASM when he gets the new kernel to compile on his PC.

  97. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by BenjyD · · Score: 1

    It happened on my MS Natural Pro USB keyboard - It was something to do with scancodes being wrongly defined in the keyboard driver in 2.6.

  98. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by Doug+Neal · · Score: 1

    That got fixed? w00t!!! I'm upgrading ASAP.

    There's another annoying keyboard related bug as well - sometimes when I unplug my USB keyboard, something screws up in the input layer or something as the laptop internal keyboard stops working and so does the USB keyboard if I plug it back in.

    Yeah yeah, use the PS/2 port you say.. well I have lots of USB devices and I like being able to just plug in one (the hub) when I get home with my laptop ;)

  99. Dude... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you paying this dude any money to get your stuff working? It's open source, man...go do the rest of the community a favor, find out what the problem is, send in a patch, instead of complaining that they can't do their job.

    1. Re:Dude... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I took time to fix every piece of shit software out there then I would never get anything done.

      Programmers need to learn to be better.

  100. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by ViXX0r · · Score: 1

    I have very little free as well. And my situation seems worse in the same conditions you mention (system in X, locked for the night).

    Maybe you should check lsof as well?

    the entry looks like this on my system:
    lsof 7518 root 4r DIR 0,3 0 492699657 /proc/7518/fd

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  101. ACPI again? by mnmn · · Score: 1

    I see ACPI in the list of changes in every release. I thought this was functional maybe around the beginning of 2.4.

    Can someone comment why this is taking so long to mature, or are they keeping up with all new hardware released.

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    1. Re:ACPI again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ACPI was pretty much non-functional in 2.4 - present, but working on relatively few systems. 2.6 has made substantial improvements so that it works on most ACPI-capable systems.

  102. Still no fix for file corruption with VIA chipset by oscarcar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ugh.

    Bug entry #1842

    Both IDE and SATA Via chipset 8237 give file corruption.

    http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1842

  103. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by ViXX0r · · Score: 1

    My bad... seems that 492699657 is the node number, not the size. the preceding 0 is the size.

    So I guess that's not my culprit. I still wonder what's keeping my drive running when it should be idle...

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  104. donated != free by oddityfds · · Score: 1
    I'm pretty sure their bandwidth is donated
    - Why are you using extra virgin olive oil to heat you house?
    - Because it was donated to me.

    Someone pays for the bandwidth. The bandwidth donor might be able to pay for something else instead if less bandwidth was used. Or the donor could donate bandwidth to some other project instead.

  105. Debian ludicrous by CyberVenom · · Score: 1

    Ha! That's nothing! I run my system on Debian ludicrous; it's the most bleeding edge distro out there... It's so far ahead of Fedora and even Debian unstable that I already run the secret 2.8 kernel and the KDE4 desktop. It's awesome; all my apps run like 10x faster, and all my games rock! My ping times are lower, my frags are up, and MS Flight Sim runs flawlessly... Heck with the new kernel, even MSVB works right! LOL, I wish! Seriously, if you want bleeding edge you usually pay for it in reliability. If you aren't a total hacker-geek wait a week or two and install the new kernel when it makes it into Debian unstable.

  106. Re:New Kernel question... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

    Wonder if it also has support for V4L2 without patching it first?

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  107. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by betonklink · · Score: 1

    Well, I will have my penguin logo back! Radeon frame buffer fix made it to 2.6.2. Hope it works..

  108. Grr, too soon! by AMystery · · Score: 1

    I've spent the last two days trying to get 2.6.1 running! Just 2 hours ago I finally got sound working and haven't dared touch it for fear it would stop again. I still haven't gotten my TV card working (btv878 chipset) but anyway, it shouldn't be hard to go up another minor revision, before this I was going from 2.4.22 so it was a much larger shift. Still, I'd have liked a day or two to bask in the geekdom of running the latest kernel before they take that all away from me!

  109. Re:Sminthopsis crassicaudata crassicaudata by BillyBlaze · · Score: 1

    Fastest boot logo switch ever.

  110. OKAY, DAD!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll stop it RIGHT AWAY, SIR!

    Fucking retard.

  111. 10:04pm?! by istewart · · Score: 1

    We're sending this kernel... BACK TO THE FUTURE!

  112. Feisty Dunnert - The Mouse That Roared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one reminded of "The Mouse That Roared" (1959) with Peter Sellers?

  113. Don't Waste Your Precious Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2.6.2 can't even compile correctly. It fails during a modules compile. The kernel releases have really gone downhill. This branch should still be the 2.5 release. Obviously no one has even tested it on a real box.

    1. Re:Don't Waste Your Precious Time by vranash · · Score: 1

      Is it a compression module in the crypto framework.. not zlib, srecb or somesuch? If that's the module that fails it requires an external library to compile.

  114. It's just a shame by brsmith4 · · Score: 1

    ... that i switched to FreeBSD because Linux's ACPI support is terrible. If they can get that working, they can have me back.

  115. Moderators on drugs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would that get moderated as a troll? If the moderator had actually used BitTorrent, they'd know the complaint is true. Instead, some idiot marks that as a troll. Come-on guys, if you don't understand something, don't moderate the post.

    > Unless you get lucky and just happen to stumble across what you need, it's impossible to find anything.

    Exactly! There is no way to search so unless you get very, very lucky, you'll never find what you're looking for.

  116. Long-standing problem in 2.6 series by cos(0) · · Score: 1

    It seems that so far no one of any prominence (such as a kernel developer) noticed a problem involving built-in ALSA and the ens1371 driver. The kernel sees the chip, but cannot initialize it. I posted a message about it on the ALSA mailing list, and no one had a response. Since then, two people e-mailed me personally asking if this had been resolved. Unfortunately, no.

    Does anyone know what the deal is, or experiencing the same thing?

    1. Re:Long-standing problem in 2.6 series by Infamous+Tim · · Score: 1

      I have had this phenomenom for quite some time now. For the longest time, I thought I didn't know enough and R & RRTFM over and over again. It turned out that things are just broken.
      One of the problems I noticed with it is that it seems to pick up multiple sound "chipsets" in my computer, yet I have no built-in sound card. I assume it's coming from something in the sound card itself in how it identifies itself to the kernel upon bootup. As it turns out, a lot of my problems went away when I switched programs that were intelligent enough (xmms, ...) onto the second "chipset", and most times it works. I don't actually understand it or wy it does/does not work, this is just from noodling with things so much.
      Now it's been a while since I monkeyed with it. The last I used my Linux box was back in November, before I got my G4 Powerbook =P

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  117. Comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Continued here

  118. Comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  119. Linus Dundee by HogynCymraeg · · Score: 1

    Call that a kernel?.....THIS is a kernel!!

  120. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by t0ny · · Score: 1

    See what i mean?

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  121. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Gateway-branded USB one here is being affected. Model SK9926

  122. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no

  123. Re:Anything broken? Otherwise why upgrade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is that no, as in you would rather suck a big dick, or no, as in you dont see?

  124. Re:Time to switch!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ACPI sucks balls on my W2K laptop - instead of going to sleep, half the time it just shuts down. And the networking dies. And I only have the option of shitty, fragmented, slow NTFS, not XFS. So shut the hell up, you know-nothing, non-technical idiot.

    Note: I say this as a Windows user. You're a fool.

    Well, Im not a user. Im an expert. There is a term for people like you, and its "hobbyist"

    1. If you laptop doesnt sleep properly, it probably has a poor implimentation of ACPI. Bad hardware is not MS's fault: stop buying Toshiba.

    2. If your networking does, it probably is using bad hardware, has poorly written drivers, or is malfunctioning. Again, bad hardware is not MS's fault.

    If your hard drive is using shitty, fragmented, slow NTFS, you should probably use toilet paper instead of your laptop, run defrag, and have a coke and a smile. Your lazyness is not MS's fault.

    I say this as a know-all (at least regarding MS products, general networking, and security) and very technical professional: you are a stupid fuck.