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New Battlestar Galactica Series Greenlighted

Trunks writes "A few days ago the Sci Fi Channel officially announced a 13 episode season for Ronald Moore's Battlestar Galactica remake. Looks like they'll be bringing back most of the cast members, including Edward James Olmos and Mary McDonnell. The new series will begin a few days after the miniseries that aired a few months back. Production commences next month in Vancouver, B.C." This had been speculated previously, and the rumors are indeed true.

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  1. In Classic Comic Book Guy Style... by Talez · · Score: 4, Funny

    Lucite hardening ... must end life in classic Lorne Greene pose from "Battlestar Galactica." Best ... death ... ever!

    1. Re:In Classic Comic Book Guy Style... by gid13 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Worst. Post. Ever.

      Needless to say, I was on the internet within minutes registering my disgust around the globe.

  2. Vancouver! by Dumbush · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I live in Vancouver
    where are they shooting the movie?

    side note: A lot of X-Files eps were shot in Simon Fraser University. The central university building is Academic Quadrangle, name after its quadrangular shape. Whenever the X-Files team needs a shot of the pentagon, they just "cheat" their way out by shooting a section of AQ...

    1. Re:Vancouver! by Jetson · · Score: 4, Informative
      I live in Vancouver where are they shooting the movie?

      The 2003 mini-series was shot in Burnaby. Most of the work ws done on sound stages (presumably on Boundary Road) but SFU was also used for one or two scenes. The production office is in North Van.

    2. Re:Vancouver! by Lev_Arris · · Score: 5, Informative

      As far as I know SFU was also used in 'the 6th day', 'Agent Cody Banks' and the 'Stargate SG-1' (the campus is known as 'Tolana' in the series).

      Can't find the reference links right now though (try Google).

    3. Re:Vancouver! by CommieLib · · Score: 5, Funny

      So in Canada, the pentagon only has four sides? You guys always get screwed on the exchange rate.

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    4. Re:Vancouver! by satherto · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most of the shooting was on sound stages, but you probably recognize some other location, like the dome ship, was really the Gardens @ QE park, SFU, as seen in almost every SciFi show shot in/around Vancouver (Slider, Stargate SG1, Andromeda, Outer Limits, etc.)

      What impressed me the most was using a BC Ferry car deck for the Space Liners Cargo bay, where Apolo parked his Viper. I wonder who thought up that one.

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  3. Good news by Xoro · · Score: 5, Funny

    I watched that show thinking it would be laughable, but I wound up enjoying it.

    Ballistic missiles over beam weapons. Mmmm.

    But they have to bring back the original theme song.

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    1. Re:Good news by nimblebrain · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There sure were a lot of drumbeats in the pilot episodes, although we caught strains of it during the ceremony.

      I surmise that they may get their own music once the go-ahead is on. It might take a little while to get some decent music unless they prepare well in advance; Stargate hobbled along with snippets of the original movie's music in a not-quite-audio-balanced form for a while until they managed to work in new arrangements more suited to a TV series :)

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    2. Re:Good news by delus10n0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, one of the most overused pieces of movie music in history. The "Battle at the Pyramid" track from the Stargate soundtrack is used in countless movie trailers, not to mention all over the TV show. Heh. Like you said, they finally have some newer music based on David Arnold's original score for the film. I like the "sad" version of the theme; it's almost piano-y.

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  4. Re:British Columbia by gid13 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just because production is in BC doesn't mean the idea came from there. Lots of American movies are shot in BC and Toronto ("Hollywood North") lately.

  5. Re:British Columbia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Are we really so out of ideas?

    You must not have seen the billboard ads for the Starsky & Hutch movie, starring Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson.

    Is the entertainment industry out of ideas? In a word... YES.

  6. Rant: annoying sexism by MagerValp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I watched the mini series and I really liked it. But what really bugged me was the stupid plot surrounding the android Number 6. The Cylons have vastly superior technology and a huge army, but to destroy the human race they create a sexy blonde android that seduces our best programmer. Sheesh. Almost made me stop watching there and then.

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    1. Re:Rant: annoying sexism by AresTheImpaler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      what are you talking about? that made the plot much more real..

    2. Re:Rant: annoying sexism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The statement about superior technology is not born out. Since the colonials built the cylons in this version of the series they start out with baseline colonial tech as their starting point. Then following the storyline they move offworld to their own little planet. And then in a VERY short period of time they come back to attack. That leaves very little time to develop, test, build and deploy anything much better then what they started out with.

      To many resources would be devoted to building infrastructure for their war machine, so at best you could state that they have marginally better technology (although we really did not see the "best" colonial toys). And that is not truly enough to defeat prepared defenses on a multi planetary scale.

      Number 6 is a logical infiltration unit. Most people in power are Male and most males can be lead around by their gonads....

    3. Re:Rant: annoying sexism by sundling · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There are two main ways to get a programmer's attention. Sexy blond works and the other is really awesome hardware. Hell, I'm not a dog like he was and I'd probably have fallen for the andriod, which is a whole different dimension. Then would come the difficult choice of living with the android you live or mankind... Baltar could have been a tragic romantic figure if they had tried that.

      The problem with giving the programmer access to really advanced hardware is it's a bit difficult to explain, even if you say it's a prototype. Um, where did I get this 2 billion Ghz machine? Well, um....

    4. Re:Rant: annoying sexism by Merry_B.Buck · · Score: 5, Funny

      to destroy the human race they create a sexy blonde android that seduces our best programmer
      Agreed. It would have been much more realistic if the Cylons had created a middle-aged suit-wearing Business Consultant who outsources Boltar's job to a distant planet.

    5. Re:Rant: annoying sexism by NiteHaqr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You are forgetting one thing - they are machines !!!

      They dont have to eat

      They dont have to sleep

      They dont get sick

      They dont take vacations

      They remember everything they ever did

      They remember everything that any other cylon ever did.

      They dont have to worry about the safety/survivability of test-pilots etc

      And they can form beowulf clusters to work stuff
      out :)

    6. Re:Rant: annoying sexism by shmigget · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, she made a great covert operative. It's actually, in a strange way, realistic, as epsionage agencies regularly resort to sex as a means of obtaining access to sensitive data.

      I'm a programmer. Can a sexy blonde android seduce me? :)

    7. Re:Rant: annoying sexism by NiteHaqr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thats what backups are for :)

      Also they have redundancy

      Why else did they call their fighter craft

      RAIDer's ?????? :) :) :) :P

    8. Re:Rant: annoying sexism by Surlyboi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      too bad she seemed obsessed w/ snapping the neck of little babies

      Actually, the way I interpreted it, that was one of her most humane moments. She killed the baby to save it from the coming Cylon attack. Fucked up? Hell yeah, but definitely sympathetic in a psychotic sort of way.

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  7. Where are the new ideas? by MMHere · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I enjoyed Galactica as a kid (yeah, I'm old now), and am looking forward to this new series.

    Where, however, is the "buzz" over cool new ideas yet unseen? Many people buzz over remakes of old ideas, but are they done any better?

    Star Wars lumbers on with dialogue-ridden prequels (and yet unseen postquels), Gilligan's Island is probably in production for the silver screen by now, I-Spy has been dubiously remade.

    Firefly was/is a cool idea and at least got an airing. Star Trek is still a cool franchise, but has been pretty commodotized.

    Where's the new, cool stuff.

    I'm not a huge Anime fan, but Cowboy Bepop seems pretty cool to me. If there aren't new ideas, why not bring this one from one format to another?

    Still; Where's the cool, new stuff?

    1. Re:Where are the new ideas? by cubicledrone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Where's the new, cool stuff.

      From Hollywood? There is no new stuff. Studios cannot green-light something original. It simply will not happen, ever, no matter how "cool" it might be.

      Same story for game companies, publishers, whatever. Original, new material is too "risky." (People who run companies like this who bitch about risk should have invested in bonds).

      Unless it is already $100 million franchise (purchased for $100,000) with worldwide merchandising rights available in at least five major cross-industry categories, it gets shitcanned. It's that simple.

      Anime is about the only category where there is cool new stuff. The entertainment industry of today is exactly like the auto industry of the 1970s, and the Japanese are about to buy the whole thing for about 4c on the dollar. Anime is a diamond mine of originality and creativity. There are anime series that are masterpieces of contemporary thought and literature, as well as fantastically capable demonstrations of state-of-the-art animation. Nothing else can even begin to compete.

      If the anime and manga shelves at Suncoast continue to expand at their current rate, there will be no Hollywood DVDs for sale there in five years.

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    2. Re:Where are the new ideas? by RESPAWN · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Anime is about the only category where there is cool new stuff. The entertainment industry of today is exactly like the auto industry of the 1970s, and the Japanese are about to buy the whole thing for about 4c on the dollar. Anime is a diamond mine of originality and creativity. There are anime series that are masterpieces of contemporary thought and literature, as well as fantastically capable demonstrations of state-of-the-art animation. Nothing else can even begin to compete.

      If the anime and manga shelves at Suncoast continue to expand at their current rate, there will be no Hollywood DVDs for sale there in five years.


      While I will conceed that there is plenty of creativity in anime and even more room for it to expand, I don't feel that it will ever become quite as popular as you are describing. We, as geeks, tend to be more open about "alternative" forms of entertainment. However, Average Joe over there has a hard time overcoming his preconceptions about animated shows -- the preconception that they are for kids.

      I don't know how many times my friends, parents, etc. have asked me why, at my age, I was watching "a cartoon." The Simpsons seems to be an exception, but despite the fact that it's been around for 15 seasons (is that right?) I still know some older people who don't want to watch it because "it's a cartoon."

      Anime won't really become mainstream over here until the average American is able to look at it as more than just a cartoon for kids.

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    3. Re:Where are the new ideas? by Golias · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Actually now I'm beginning to wonder why scifi anime is practically the only thing they import to US.

      A stroll through the "Anime" section at Best Buy proves you wrong. Sure, there's plenty o' sci-fi, and also several fantasy series (Slayers probably being the most popular)

      There's also romance (Love Hina), sports drama (Princess Nine), modern espionage (Noir), soft-core pr0n comedy (Najica Blitz Tactics), parody (Excel Saga), war stories (Grave of the fireflies), horror (Boogiepop Phantom), Buffy-esque modernist occult fantasy (Witch Hunter Robin) and several other genres I've probably forgot to mention at the moment.

      Not to mention a lot of the great shows and movies which actually are for kids and/or families: Castle In the Sky, Kiki's Delivery Service, Sailor Moon, Spirited Away, etc.

      So, lots of different anime is imported... It's just that the sci-fi stuff has caught on with American audiences. Mostly because sci-fi is the one place where anime can be better than live action. Doing live action sci-fi, even if you spend a million dollars per episode, can look very cheezy. (For example, that stupid-looking "desert rat" puppet in the SciFi Channel production of Dune) With anime, you can do a show like Cowboy Bebop or Neon Genesis Evangelion for no more money than it takes to make an anime about a girl's baseball team. American audiences are not really used to the idea of watching an animated feature that could have just as easilly have been done with live actors, so shows like Princess Nine, in spite of being extremely well-written and well-made, simply don't get more than a small cult following, while Macross (a.k.a. Robotech) is a staple of the sci-fi nerd diet.

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  8. So its started already??? by icebike · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The new series will begin a few days after the miniseries that aired a few months back."

    That would either qualify this as OLD news, or
    one of the most tortured sentences I've seen in a while....

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  9. Re:British Columbia by Jetson · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Somehow I'm not surprised that such a harebrained idea as bringing back this television travesty came from BC. I can easily imagine the haze-filled board room and some junior exec taking a big toke and proclaiming how cool it would be if Battlestar Galactica came back.

    More likely, it was some senior exec in Hollyweird deciding that he didn't have to spend millions of extra dollars shooting in the USA just because Ahhhnold was now The Governator. The fact that B.C. has the best marijuana in the world and is relatively unencumbered by the lunacy of the U.S. war on drugs probably had nothing to do with it...

    Besides, when Canadian producers want to mine the 80's for remake potential we end up with less grass and more Degrassi...

    Are we really so out of ideas?

    You're just noticing that now?

  10. Re:British Columbia by zakezuke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Being in the Pacific Northwest, I notice alot of the filming that goes on here. Unfortunatly they have moved to Vancover. From my understanding it's because they will let you get away with alot of shit (see Jackie Chan). I don't know this for a fact, but that's the rumor.

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  11. Re: Will there be nudity? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Insightful


    > Can Sci-Fi show nudity? I know they can in the UK, but what about the more repressive US channel?

    In the USA, Congress is more worried about a glimpse of a tit than they are about ongoing wars in the Near East.

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  12. OT: Any news when the Sci-fi series released. by will_die · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Has anyone seen any info on when the Sci-fi channel will be releasing thier mini-series on DVD?

  13. Waiting with baited breath.... by BobSutan · · Score: 5, Informative

    To be honest I had serious reservations about them bringing this one back. However, once I actually sat down and watched it I was blown away. Personally I think they hit a homerun with the pilot and can't wait to watch the new series. They did so many thing right IMO: the Sci-Fi wasn't so much "Fi" as I thought they'd throw at a show of this type. For example: Ballistic weapons, somewhat realistic space flight (thrusters), and the cinematic zooms all help add some realism to the space scenes.

    On top of all that they nailed the human side of the story. Family ties, personal relationships, etc all played a huge role in the pilot (perhaps even more so than in the original series). For me, this is the element that makes the show so good.

    My only fear is that they change the characters or take away from the dynamics of what they were building.

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    1. Re:Waiting with baited breath.... by jafac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not so sure if I'm a big fan of Ballistic Weapons in space.

      First off, there's the effectiveness issue.
      If you're talking about explosive devices, you need hit-to-kill accuracy anyway, because shock-waves do not propagate in a vacuum. Although I don't discount the effectiveness of nuclear weapons in space. (Personally, I would design a nuclear warhead to take a more directed approach in nuclear detonation - using neutron reflectors and such, you don't want a 360-degree nuclear blast, you want your warhead to get close to it's target, and direct as much of the device's output in the direction of the target as possible).

      Considering the velocities at which spacecraft travel, then add to that, the velocities Science Fiction spacecraft are probably travelling (in order to cover interplanetary distances in the space of a few hours instead of months or years), and the distances at which these combats could take place, (in order to gain initiative, one must attack before being detected, in order to reduce the effectivness of defensive maneuvers, etc.) . . . you can see an enemy hundreds of thousands of kilometers away, let alone light him up with radar, or whatever - you need a VERY high speed (maybe reletavistic?) projectile (and a smart guidance system, dumb ballistic weapons won't hit jack shit at those ranges). Even with a laser, you're likely to spot your enemy possibly several minutes before the light-beam he's fired at you reaches you. Very high projectile speeds mean - either a propulsion system ON the projectile which makes each projectile rather expensive, or a high muzzle velocity. Newton's 3rd law of motion becomes an issue here. Case-in-point: the A-10 warthog's (http://www.a-10.org/) gun is connected to the engines so that when it fires, it boosts thrust output, so the plane doesn't stall from the thousands of pounds of mass it's spitting out the front-end.

      Which leads to another point. Moving mass in space requires mass. (that dang Newton again) The more mass your projectile has, the more energy it can transfer to it's target to do damage. That's why we use Depleted Uranium projectiles. It's denser for lead - so for the same weapon bore, more mass gets shot out per-projectile, delivering more energy to the target. As the ship fights, it's mass changes dramatically. From leaving the launch bay fully loaded, you want to have as much of the ship's mass be propellant, so you can maneuver the ship. (a ship that can't maneuver is called a sitting duck). But with ballistic weapons, you're devoting valuable total mass to projectiles instead of propellant. And the propellant you DO have, is dedicated to accelerating the mass of your projectiles as well as the airframe. With a beam weapon, assuming you're getting electrical power from a radiation source, the energy you are putting into your target is not mass-related. Or at least as limited to the F=ma equation as a ballistic projectile would be. With a nuclear powered laser, you're limited by E=mc^2. (http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=New s&file=article&sid=304)

      Next, there's the issue of space-junk (Newton's 1st law of motion). Any space combat is going to create space-junk. But flying projectiles, if they miss their target, will be deadly forever. A hazard to any space traffic.

      Finally, it's not a stretch to imagine directed-energy weapons powerful and accurate enough to be used to intercept projectiles. We're already reading about such technology being used to intercept artillery shells. The fact is, light travels buttloads faster than bullets or missiles. Over the range that a typical space combat would occur, that gives light a huge advantage in reaction time capability. Time-to-target of a few seconds, as opposed to many minutes (given sci-fi propulsion systems, etc) or hours.

      All that said:
      I still FAR prefer the new BSG to the old BSG. Though I'd like to see the Cylons not so irrevocably married to a single form-factor as far as fighting ships g

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  14. Finally! by zakezuke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have always had a soft spot for "Wagon Train in Space"... and look forward to someone doing something with this highly popular short lived series. I could care less about the lack of beam weapons, or stupid mechanical dog. Give me exploration off the map, cultrual satire, and a cigar smoking hot shot piolt. If you must do that pan and zoom style for battle sequences... so be it.

    Battlestar Galactica was, and always will be pulp fiction for the masses, where demographical studies were paramount! I'm looking forward to being exploited.

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    1. Re:Finally! by mbourgon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have always had a soft spot for "Wagon Train in Space"

      I like them too. Fortunately, Firefly filled that void for 13 episodes.

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  15. But it sucks by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Lets see - Every single character is a total stereotypes. We have a tough as nails, always in trouble ace pilot, a father and son who don't talk anymore, an acerbic commander who doesn't take stick from anyone, and a cowardly scientist who refuses to take responsibility for his actions (Did they get mixed up and think it was a Lost in Space revival?).

    Then they take out the few bits that were remotely imaginative from the original series. Rather than having an ancient society with their own political structure, they have a carbon copy of the US political system. All the ancient Egyptian styling has been axed, and the Galactica is simply way too new. Galactica was 500 years old in the original series. It made it seem like it was worth caring about.

    Finally, we have the actual script. It's not enough just to throw in random emotive scenes. Yes, they have to leave some people behind. Yes, it's a tragedy. But come-on; three times!?. Talk about rubbing it in. And even though we're meant to believe that it's such a disaster, people make these life or death decisions with hardly a flicker of anxiety.

    1. Re:But it sucks by iamplasma · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Yes, they have to leave some people behind. Yes, it's a tragedy. But come-on; three times!?. Talk about rubbing it in. And even though we're meant to believe that it's such a disaster, people make these life or death decisions with hardly a flicker of anxiety.

      Umm... not really, heck, it was a key decision near the start of the second part of the miniseries, where the president and apollo are arguing over if they should run right away, or wait to transfer civlians off non-jump capable ships. Then you have the abandoned people pleading as the president runs, as the cylons arrive to kill them all.

      Sure, it wasn't some grand soap-opera decision which took hours to make, but it was given appropriate time and attention under the circumstances.

    2. Re:But it sucks by blincoln · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've got to agree.

      I watched the miniseries when it came out and thought it was okay, if a bit cliched.

      Then I bought the original series DVD set, and watched the whole thing. It does have a noticeable fromage factor in places (e.g. Muffit, reusing a lot of the space footage in *every* episode, the robots in "Greetings from Earth"), but it's obvious to me that the creators really cared about telling an interesting story of their own.

      There was so much about the original that had its own feel - the design of the costumes, the sets, the ships, the Cylons - and in the remake they've all been replaced by generic sci-fi designs.

      90% or more of the elements in the remake could have been designed for any space action film - Wing Commander in particular comes to mind. I was *especially* disappointed with the new Cylons. It's obvious that they only make an appearance for a few seconds because the CG is so poorly animated. I also thought the new Raiders with the scanning eye on the front were incredibly cheesy.

      That having been said, there were a few things I thought were clever - particularly one of the plot twists near the end that I will not explain to avoid spoiling anyone.

      I also liked that "Caprica" was actually the university in Canada that I went to (BG is higher class than The Sixth Day or The Fly II, both of which also filmed there).

      Basically I feel like the creators of the new series started changing things not because it was a good idea, but just for the sake of doing it, Rick Berman-style.

      I guess a new series could turn out well, but I get the impression that it won't. Sci-fi should have let Richard Hatch do his follow-up idea instead of "reimagining" the story.

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    3. Re:But it sucks by meadowsp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's a lot of congecture that the story they're telling is actually linked to mormons.

    4. Re:But it sucks by hoggoth · · Score: 3, Funny

      > Sci-fi should have let Richard Hatch do his follow-up idea

      No, I dont think THAT would be a good idea...

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    5. Re:But it sucks by Smegoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not a big fan of the tele but I watched the mini-series and was quite impressed. Furthermore I disagree that everyone is a stereotype, or at least no more so than any other piece of fiction. The tough as nails always in trouble ace pilot is a girl, relitively new, though reeking of Aliens.

      Essentially you could swap all the characters around and people would still complain of stereotypes. The sensitive but stern Commander. The holier than though Scientist with a god complex. The wet behind the ears pilot. The father and son who are best of buddies. What would the creators have to do for the characters to not in some way echoe something we've seen before? And I stress echoe because none of them struck me as an exact carbon copy of previous sci-fi.

      I suppose if every character was bland and spoke in monotone then people would call it fresh and new. Oh wait, no that would be just like the Matrix wouldn't it?

  16. ...Roumpatroullie Orion by derphilipp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They are getting into nostalgica - right ?
    There just was a movie made from the german series "Raumpatroullie Orion" - here a fan site (I don't know the english series name), where all of the seven episodes were assembled to a movie, completed by new filmed "News Show" (still in B/W)

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  17. Re:Where? It's the bandwidth! by SgtSnorkel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think the real driver behind all the remakes is available bandwidth. The number of channels available on a modern direct-broadcast satellite system is astounding! The programmers (in the TV sense of the word) just can't generate enough content or come up with enough new ideas.

    There's a glut of video bnadwidth, viewers get spread thin, advertising dollars per channel plummets -- thus we have remakes, re-runs, and 'reality' shows ad nauseum.

    (BTW: I thought the miniseries was pretty good! Especially compared to the campy original.)

  18. Blade Runner meets Terminator by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I really liked the pilot (miniseries my ash). As scifi goes, it was pretty damn good, despite the gaping holes. The ones like how the cylons have all those special communication abilities and glow-in-the-dark spinal cords when they are indistinguishable from us "down to our blood".

    Also Starbuck is incredibly annoying and ugly to boot. As much as I liked the pilot, I don't know if I could stand watching her so much. They really should have left her as a man. Or, if they are going to leave her female, at least they could go all the way and make her a lesbian. Or better yet kill her off early in the show. Now that would be a 24-like kind of surprise.

    OTOH, I could watch the hot Asian "Boomer" all day long. I really like her face. I like Trisha's performance. She's very intense. I like that she's just a virtual person.

    So what's good about the show? The eerie, almost spooky feeling of floating in space alone, forever, with everyone else in your entire species, your whole civilization just gone. I thought they were pretty successful at pulling off those kinds of subtle feelings. The blade runner-esque music certainly helps with this.

    It is kind of Blade Runner meets Terminator (I wonder if it was pitched that way), but both were classic SciFi movies, the more mature and powerful of the two being Blade Runner of course. Makes me wonder if Edward J. Olmos will end up being a Cylon in the end. It seems apparent to me that the director was really moved by Blade Runner, by the whole kind of world created in that film.

    To question the difference between humans and intelligent machines, of which is which, to see our own machines become so succesfull as organisms that they destroy us.

    These are wonderful ideas to explore. No they are not completely original anymore. But, as long as the miniseries retains its own unique feel and is not blatantly imitative with its storylines there is a great deal of potential here.

    I like the idea of machines coming to worship their own emotions (like "love"). A lot could be done with this material. That's for sure.

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    1. Re:Blade Runner meets Terminator by Jahf · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sounds like you didn't watch the end of the mini-series.

      True, still not the original role, but not what you described, either.

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  19. Sci-Fi Channel by Matrix2110 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Excellent!

    The Sci-Fi Channel had the guts to air Lexx as well as a host of other ventures. I have caught my co-workers on many a time watching Outer Limits or Twilight Zone.

    Has much less commercials than TNT. (Anybody been through the painfull IGEA pore sucker commercial?)

    I wish these guys well, and I think they are on course so far.

    1. Re:Sci-Fi Channel by dreamchaser · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lexx was one of the worst...shows...ever! This is the same network that cancelled Farscape too, which was light years better than anything else they've produced.

      Of course, to pubescent living-in-mom's-basement pasty faced geeks, Lexx was cool because it had a hot chick.

      Go ahead and mod me off topic or whatever. I just had to respond and at least I have the gonads to not post this as an AC :)

  20. I liked the cylons by robnauta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's good news. I liked the cylons, they looked more realistic than other robots of that era. Their 'by your command' was impressive. At least they used some kind of voice encoder device to make it sound real, as opposed to actors trying to talk metallic in other series.

  21. not THAT is Sci-Fi by __aahlyu4518 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The new series will begin a few days after the miniseries that aired a few months back

    Now THAT is Sci-Fi... Giving the green light NOW and have it begin a few months back...

  22. Score one for bittorrent... by Shivetya · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I first watched this, taped to my VCR, I was not impressed. However I later downloaded a bittorrent of it, captured from satellite or similar, and after watching it a few times where I could back up and such I found I enjoyed many aspects of it.

    Watching it without the commercials really improved it. Anyone else find otherwise decent programs on Sci-Fi ruined by the deluge of commercials?

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  23. Re: Will there be nudity? by zakezuke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Near as I'm aware, cable stations don't have to conform to the same set of standards that broadcast stations do. For example, the writers for South Park were shocked to find out there was really no issue saying SHIT on C.Central. I think it's just a choice so they don't offend anyone rather then a clear cut rule. Heaven forbid that a kid might see a 1/2 nakid woman... but not a problem with senceless violence... or just senceless like pokeman. Personaly I think a 1/2 woman is less offencive... well depending. Public access nudes are not a problem, in fact i've seen live sex on public access, or at least a handjob.

    I'm not up on the current FCC rules, why PBS can show 1/2 nakid women like in Unwed Lesbian Indians for Nuclear Engery, and how the system has broadcast rules have changed since the 1980s.

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  24. Re:British Columbia by orthogonal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Being in the Pacific Northwest, I notice alot of the filming that goes on here. Unfortunatly they have moved to Vancover. From my understanding it's because they will let you get away with alot of shit (see Jackie Chan). I don't know this for a fact, but that's the rumor.

    By filming in Canada, the production companies don't have to pay union rates to the hordes of support personal required to make the films. This out sourcing significantly brings down costs, while still providing a location with white, English-speaking extras and close proximity to the US, to accommodate "name" US actors.

    The X-Files, for example, was mostly filmed in Canada, with US filming limited to some "location" shots of recognizable landmarks.

  25. "New Ideas" die in boardrooms by tekrat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is that totally unimaginative people are holding the purse-strings. They don't want to gamble on something they haven't seen before. They want to sell something they know has already sold once before.

    That's why you don't get big budget "new" movies, you get sequel after sequel of The Matrix 6, Charlies Angles 3, Scooby Doo 2, etc., and the crap just gets churned out, but they know they can market it because the auideince for that crap is pre-existing.

    Lord of the Rings was such a fluke because there's no way that should have gotten done, or done as well as it was, via the Hollywood system. Because Hollywood crushes creativity, it eschews original thought, and it despises anything it can't reference as something else.

    When you're committing millions of dollars before even a frame of film is shot, the boardroom people want to be comfortable about it by knowing it's really something they can already relate to. That's why Gene Roddenbury had to "sell" Star Trek as "Wagon Train to the Stars", and couch it in relation to a Western, which was the TV staple of the 60's.

    Unless you can make your "new idea" seem like *exactly* something everyone has seen before, you'll never get funding for your production. You've got a better chance of winning the lottery and self-producing it.

    And that, my friend, is why there's only crap on TV and Movies. Because Hollywood hates "new ideas".

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    1. Re:"New Ideas" die in boardrooms by bakes · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is spot on. It reminds me of a quote from Ben Elton in his book 'This Other Eden' where he describes Hollywood as "The place where ideas went to die".

      Television is slightly better, but only because some production companies are still willing to gamble the relatively small amounts it takes to make a pilot or even a one-off show.

      Sometimes the sequels can be done very well, for example I personally consider Rocky II to be the best of that series, although after that they should have stopped. Others, although not as good as the first, can still be well written and entertaining (Toy Story 2 was pretty good). Others they should have stopped after the first movie instead of turning the story into a joke. (I keep telling myself that "there is no sequel")

      But some more originality on the big screen would be nice.

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    2. Re:"New Ideas" die in boardrooms by Elbelow · · Score: 4, Informative

      ... The Matrix 6, Charlies Angles 3, Scooby Doo 2, ...

      ... Ocean's Twelve!

    3. Re:"New Ideas" die in boardrooms by jmoriarty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree with you that most good ideas in Hollywood tend to die out in the boardroom, but I think your spin on their motivation might be a little unfair.

      It is easy to vilify the boards and execs of movie houses, but they have a job to do: make money. If you are looking for an investment for yourself, say a new stock you heard about, are you going to pour in your hard-earned money if you have absolutely no proof that it will work? If there is no other company doing what this stock's company is doing? No, you're going to mitigate your risk by picking a stock around which you have some data or an established track record.

      Movie execs are in the same boat. Some might take some small, calculated risks, and there are a few "venture capitalists" who will really take a wild gamble, but most are doing the exact job they are supposed to do in taking only moderate risks to maximize returns.

    4. Re:"New Ideas" die in boardrooms by Illserve · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There was a day when hollywood was populated by people's who's job was to make good movies, not money. So I'll villify them all day long because they're not there to do art, they're there because they smell a fast way to a cozy lifestyle.

    5. Re:"New Ideas" die in boardrooms by randomaxe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Charlies Angles 3

      Well, you have to admit, they're really acute.

    6. Re:"New Ideas" die in boardrooms by jmoriarty · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There was a day when hollywood was populated by people's who's job was to make good movies, not money. So I'll villify them all day long because they're not there to do art, they're there because they smell a fast way to a cozy lifestyle.

      Okay, I'll take the bait. When was this ever the case? Please show me the specific years and movies around which making "good movies" rather than money was the norm and not the exception?

      Look at the problems that surrounded getting Citizen Kane, Casablanca, or even Star Wars made and I think you might find that good movies have always emerged from a fortunate confluence of events rather than an altrusitic streak in the studios.

      But I'm not a movie historian, so prove me wrong.

    7. Re:"New Ideas" die in boardrooms by myklgrant · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Seventies. It wasn't that the studios decided to suddenly start making good movies. It was more a case of them not knowing what kind of movies would sell. So they let filmakers have free reign over content. Read the book: "Easy Riders, Raging Bulls" for the full story.

  26. Re: Will there be nudity? by myom · · Score: 2, Funny

    Showing nudity or a pair of boobs is OK, as long as there is a bullet wound between them.

  27. Why are you convinced it was superior? (spoiler) by starX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Remember, the Cylons won because the humans basically couldn't shoot back. Hell yeah you have superior power when you've sent in a spy to obtain access to the defense mainframe and figure out how to turn off all of your enemy's defensive/offensive capabilities.

  28. Easier Remake? by Surak_Prime · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was really impressed with the quality of the mini-series, and how it stayed true to the original without just being a straight remake. It makes me wonder, though, if its easier to make a new series when there's only 22 original episodes to follow, as opposed to the 4 series and couple of hundred episodes that result in a follow up like Enterprise, where continuity is raped on a regular basis. Mr. Moore can probably keep 'em all in his head.

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  29. The original series by dotwaffle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just bought the original series, all 24 epsidoes (not 22 like the article says!) and I'm loving every minute! Not only do they go through all the normal rigmarole of launching etc, but they deal with problems like humans would, rather than like other programmes would (like suddenly finding the obvious answer, like why not use antiflasmagron drive...) and so it's always been a favourite. Hopefully, when the new series comes to the UK, it's not on Sky(^H^Hhite) and instead either Ch4 or the BBC get it. Here's to the new series being any good!

  30. I may be wrong but... by It's+the+tripnaut! · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...shouldn't it be "New Battlestar Galactica Series Greenlit?"

  31. looking forward to it by neuraloverload · · Score: 2, Insightful

    from all the negative press the show got before and after airing i had some pretty low expectations, but couldn't check it out for myself until it played in canada. frankly, while i grew up at just the right age to adore the original and forgive it's shortcomings, the remake far outstripped the old one by a long mile. the combat sequences were shot in a handheld style that i loved in attack of the clones and loved just as much here. the story itself was pretty solid, but with a few, ahem, issues. i did find the religious byline a bit curious, a little unexpected in it's heavyhandedness. the show seems to have a decent cast so far, with probably a few tweaks sometime soon. if i had one suggestion for the series though is that it goes back to the planet and follows up with what's left, from a tempoary survivor view. the handheld style might enhance the impact a little and the religion could be played hard. anyway, interesting schtuff.

  32. Another series. by juuri · · Score: 2, Funny

    While it does hit some formulaic parts, Andromeda, is a pretty good sci-fi series, especially when compared to a lot of the swill out there.

    The setup: Hunt, commander of a high guard star ship, one of the most powerful in the Commonwealth screws up and gets to close to a black hole. A few hundred years (500?) later, thanks to an event that took place hundreds of years ago, his ship finally breaks free of the pull of the black hole and he emerges into a universe where the Commonwealth no longer exists anymore. Hunt who is completely lost decides, with a rag tag group who was trying to salvage his ship, to rebuild the Commonwealth. So along they go traveling all over the universe breaking the occasional law of physics but never to the point of completely insulting you repeatedly in each episode.

    The best part overall, Commander Hunt, much like the first great space commander (Kirk), sees it as his duty to hit lots of alien booty.

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  33. 13th eipsode? by chowdmouse · · Score: 2, Funny

    I figured the 13th episode would be the "lost" one.

  34. Confessions of a Science Fiction Junkie by invid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll admit it, I watched the original series back in the 80s, and I liked it. It's no excuse that I was a kid at the time, I should have known better. It was crap and I liked it. I also liked Buck Rogers, which was an even bigger load of crap. I was so starved for science fiction entertainment I religiously watched what the tv execs threw out at us.

    So I watched this latest version of Battlestar Galactica, and you know what? I liked it. I really should know better...

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    1. Re:Confessions of a Science Fiction Junkie by digitalhermit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I dunno, the latest BG actually seemed pretty good. I could tolerate the original BG also. But Buck Rogers has always made me think of something the local high school would put together. It always seemed cheesy.

      Since BtVS has gone, there's not much science fiction/fantasy that I can watch. I've been getting by with some Sliders reruns and one or two Highlander episodes, but I'm dying here man.

      Anyway, I thought I'd post a list of things I hate in SF shows:

      1) Time travel -- Any episode where you can go back in time, either with a with a wish from a vengeance demon or from jumping into some wormhole makes me think of some deus ex machina copout.

      2) Uniforms showing bare midriffs -- sure, I love when Willow shows some tummy, but it really destroys the whole "suspension of disbelief" thing and screams studio exec trying to pander to the teenage boy crowd he thinks is his only audience.

      3) Alternate universe where the characters are just slightly different from the current.

      4) Light speed travel at the push of a button. This is one reason why I enjoyed the new BG. At least it made an attempt to show that FTL is not something simple (yeah, or even possible).

      5) Annoying casts that seem like ensemble boy-band ripoffs. I.e., they have a character for everyone: the rebel; the nerdy scientist; the hottie scientist; the loner. This is one reason Enterprise is so difficult for me to watch.

      6) Pretty boy captains with perfect hair. This is another reason I enjoyed the new BG. Olmos is an actor and not some Jonathan Timberlake clone. (This may have something to do with the fact that I'm completely opposite on the the runway model scale. I can scare children with a smile. I relate the to Olmoses and Rhys-Davies of the world.)

      7) Unnecessarily brooding characters. Marvin the paranoid Android was fun, but the humorless ice zombies in other series get boring after the first episode. "But they have issues, man!" No brother, stop whining.

      8) ...

  35. Re:They chose this over Farscape? by NormAtHome · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually what is truly disgusting is that they replaced Farscape with "Treamors The Series", that is totally unfathomable.

    As I've said before, Yes the fourth season was bad but in my book they really pulled it out the last six episodes which were fabulous.. my personal favorite was "We're So Screwed: LaBomba"

    As so many have lamented, the people running the Sci Fi channel know nothing about science fiction.

  36. Greenlighted? by Doug+Neal · · Score: 2, Funny

    New series greenlighted. New nouns verbed. Here's Tom with the weather!

    1. Re:Greenlighted? by danimal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      well, you know something that's for sure. however in the entertainment industry (yes, I've worked on movies) we generally say "greenlit" not "greenlighted."

  37. Re: Will there be nudity? by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Near East
    Is that, like, Long Island?

    But seriously... Congress is concerned over the Jackson incident because laws they passed establishing guidelines for the content using the airwaves owned by the public were ignored. It's correct for them to be concerned. Since it is likely that the incident was pre-meditated by at least one MTV producer and Jackson herself to create a pocket-lining "buzz," it's correct for Congress to be more than a little bit annoyed as well.

    Sci-Fi Channel is on cable. The restrictions relating to the public airwaves do not apply to them. However, they are smart enough to realize that the demographic for a Battlestar Galactica revival is not the same as "Queer as Folk" or "The Sopranos" and will most certainly produce it no harder than a PG. The perception is that the "adults" won't be watching it and that the "kids" won't be allowed to watch it if it contained nudity.

  38. Why is this a problem? by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's nothing stupid about it at all. It's called a covert operation. It was done during the Cold War all the time. Someone is seduced into giving away the crown jewels. Yes, people in real life have done that.

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  39. Re:Yuk by shmigget · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dude, I'm really sorry, but your taste is in your ass. The acting was fantastic. Mary McDonnell's performance alone was worthy of an Emmy nomination.

    And, when you write things like, "It wasn't true enough to the original, I saw several technical inconstancies," we must all collectively reply, "Don't be such a freakin' geek."

  40. Lawsuits by CleverNickedName · · Score: 2, Funny

    Have they changed Starbuck's name to avoid and law suits?

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  41. Starbuck by momboman4 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Where else would you film a show with a character named Starbuck but in Vancouver. There has to be about a thousand Starbucks in Downtown alone. (I've never been to Seattle but I can't imagine they have more Starbucks then Vancouver.)

  42. Re:British Columbia by gobbo · · Score: 2, Interesting
    By filming in Canada, the production companies don't have to pay union rates to the hordes of support personal required to make the films.

    I call hooey on you. You can't make a feature-length mainstream in Vancouver without relying heavily on IATSE local 891. They're just too useful.

    No, every Amurrican producer/director I've talked to about working in Canada describes the experience as dominated by working with extremely skilled and unassuming crews and actors (the phrase that keeps coming up is that they don't have the 'sense of entitlement' that crews in LA do).

    The Hollywood North thing isn't about union-busting so much as about exchange rate and financial incentives, great locations, and really good resources when it comes to crew, facilities, and post.

    California Bud's pretty legendary too, so I don't think it's that... uh,

  43. Re:They chose this over Farscape? by MadHungarian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's even worse, they choose this over buying the rights to and producing Firefly.

  44. Re:British Columbia by RobinH · · Score: 2, Funny

    By filming in Canada, the production companies don't have to pay union rates to the hordes of support personal required to make the films. This out sourcing significantly brings down costs, while still providing a location with white, English-speaking extras and close proximity to the US, to accommodate "name" US actors.

    Not only can we speak English in Canada, we can even spell personnel. You're of English descent... learn the language!

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  45. Re:Will there be nudity? by soft_guy · · Score: 2, Funny

    First of all, I can't see how anyone could have honestly modded this as off topic.

    Second, God I hope so! The biggest difference to me between the SciFi channel series and the original is that I really want to see Starbuck naked in this one.

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