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Development Of The TiVo Remote Charted

victor_the_cleaner writes "The New York Times (anonymous readers need not apply) has an article about the development of the TiVo remote control. The article reviews the user-centered design approach the designers took. According to the lead designer, they considered 'how it feels in the hand, for long periods of time.' How about you - do you have an emotional attachment to your TiVo remote? Or other well-designed objects?"

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  1. Please don't ask that here... by momerath2003 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "...emotional attachment to ... other well-designed objects"

    Oh, no... why must they ask such a question on Slashdot?!? Why?!?

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    1. Re:Please don't ask that here... by dolo666 · · Score: 2, Funny

      hey, it's not an Xbox controller, so I'm not sure what all the fuss is about!

    2. Re:Please don't ask that here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...Yeah, like I've been programming in C++ for 6 years now, and like I've got a real emotional attachment to many of my well-designed objects...

    3. Re:Please don't ask that here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Heh, yeah, they should have used the X-box controller as the opposite example... The XL or the S XBox controllers must be the worst designed controllers in 10 years...

      Personally, I'd vote in The PS/2 duel-shock controllers as another item like the tivo remote.

      /me has neither :(

    4. Re:Please don't ask that here... by Osty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Personally, I'd vote in The PS/2 duel-shock controllers as another item like the tivo remote.

      I'll disagree. The Playstation dual-shock controllers are just a bit too small and angular for my hands, and end up in cramping after too long of a gaming session. The segmented digital pad leaves a lot to be desired as well, though to be fair most games prefer to use the analog sticks. The dual shoulder triggers are nice in that they give you another pair of buttons to work with, but it can be tricky trying to hold the controller, use both triggers, and still be able to play your game. They're about as useful as the black and white buttons on the XBox controllers, but at least those buttons make it clear that they're obviously secondary controls only (excluding dumb games like Enter the Matrix that use them for key gameplay components like firing your guns; silly Shiny, what were they thinking?).


      In my opinion, the best controller available for a console at the moment is the XBox S or Akebono controller. The Duke or original is just a bit too large, and the buttons a little too harsh, though with the proper grip it stays comfortable in the hand for hours. Either way, the large range of motion on the analog triggers is perfect for racing games, which I really enjoy. While the PS2 dual-shock does have analog buttons, the shoulder buttons do not have any more play in them than the face buttons and make fine control very difficult.


      The Gamecube controller also has a nice range of motion on the triggers, but is marred somewhat by the extra button click at the end. Since most games will make that final click do something other than the initial sweep of the trigger, you're stuck trying to hold the trigger at full press minus the click, which can be strenuous since the spring in the triggers is much weaker than that of the XBox controllers. Add to that the ... funky layout of the face buttons, the useless and poorly positioned Z button, the Gameboy-sized d-pad, and the wonky sticks (the main stick is straight off of the N64 controller, with a bit of added grippy rubber, and the C stick is just ... weird), and there's not much more to say about the cube controller except that it's more comfortable than a dual-shock.


  2. In the hand by zalas · · Score: 5, Funny

    "how it feels in the hand, for long periods of time"... I don't know about you, but I don't get attached to things that feel good in my hand... except for certain bod- errr nevermind

  3. The pencil by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is obvious what it is designed for and easy to use.

    The TiVo folks really did a great job in the design of the remote, however I would have liked it a little smaller. It's kind of like the phasers in Star Trek TNG which went from being gun-like to being tamagotchi-like to the final TV remote shape. If TiVo could fit all that functionality into a tamagotchi sized remote, I would be the first one at the store to buy.

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  4. Re:Text of article by jakoz · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...and in other news, several thousand internet users mysteriously suffered spontaneous eye bleeding.

  5. Best Remote Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just my humble opinion... but the TiVo Peanut Remote is the best designed remote control ever made. It fits your hand perfectly, and all of the controls are easily reached with your thumb. The only problem is that it can't control your DVD player.

    1. Re:Best Remote Ever by Cato · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't agree - its entertaining design means that it falls off the rounded arm of my armchair unless I twist it 90 degrees, making it inconvenient to use without picking it up. All my other flat remotes sit on the arm without any problems. Since I don't clutch the remote all the time, I don't see why fit in the hand is more important than being able to rest on the arm of an armchair...

    2. Re:Best Remote Ever by pzarquon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Design, good. Price tag? Bad. And since they know just how much we love our TiVos, they know just how desperate we'll get if we ever lose the remote... and charge accordingly. When my son introduced our factory remote to the toilet, we bought two - $70 plus ridiculous shipping to Hawaii. Then I read the One For All URC 6131 universal remote did TiVo for about $15. I found it on sale at Circuit City. We've used it ever since. The design is nothing to cheer about, but it works, and I don't have to feel like I have to protect the thing with my life.

    3. Re:Best Remote Ever by Coward,+Anonymous · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I place the tivo remote face down on the arm of my armchair and haven't had any problems with it sliding off (or with buttons being accidentally pressed from being upside down).

  6. Re:Text of article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't think karma-whoring works very well without line breaks :p

  7. wouldn't use anything else by bravehamster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My fiancee got me this awesome programmable remote control. You know, with the touch sensitive lcd, learning functions (works with Bose stereos even!). That cleaned up 5 remotes off of our coffee table. The only remote I refuse to program into it is the Tivo remote. That thing is perfect. Accept no substitute. Every button is well placed, and easy to locate without looking. She understands...

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    1. Re:wouldn't use anything else by Repton · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We have one of these. The only problem with it is exactly the issue this article is addressing --- when the remote consists only of a 5cm by 12cm LCD (or so), there is no tactile feedback. It is almost impossible to use by touch. (I am getting better, but I still hit the wrong button often)

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  8. Open source Tivo Control!!! by nil5 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is a really cool project you might want to check out if you're interested in controlling the TiVo unit with a web browser rather than the standard remote control. i mean, sure the control is great and all, but i prefer a mouse :)

    see here.

  9. Attachment... by machinecraig · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a strong attachment to my WASD layout for FPS games.
    Often times at work I find my fingers relaxing into FPS stance.

  10. Mouse... by Agent_Number_4 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I have the Logitech cordless mouseman optical, I even want to bring it to work with me sometimes. After 8 hours using some generic PS2 scroll mouse, the hand shape of the mouseman is just what I need.

    Always wonder if they make all of their models of mice for left handed people as well though?

    1. Re:Mouse... by kfg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'll go along with this one, I love my Logi mouse, with the caveat issue that you raise. I'm ambimousterous, but not fully ambidexterous. The Logi is a right hander period.

      When taking hand written notes I have to use my right hand to write and left hand for the mouse. The best symetrical mouse I've ever used is the orginal Microsoft optical wheel mouse. It's 98% of the Logi, in either hand, so I can pass it back and forth with ease.

      Speaking of writing, another favorite item of mine is my Parker matte black ballpoint pen. The traditional tapered shape (I can't stand the pencil straight barrel of a Cross), and a bit slender for long writing sessions, but something about its feel and finish hits me just right and I don't do long writing sessions anymore. That's why God invented typing.

      Oxo kitchen tools. This stuff is truly the bee's knees. They're simply perfect. I've gotten rid of all my "classy" expensive kitchen stuff in favor of these "cheap" plastic tools.

      With the exception of my traditional Japanese bamboo rice paddle. Sometimes the traditional tool is honed to perfection.

      Snap-On combination wrenches. The Craftsman stuff is just as good, until you have to spend all day every day turning them. The Snap-Ons are caressable. The Craftsmans will leave your hands mildly abraded and sore.

      Shimano bicycle brake levers. It took 100 years before someone got that one right. Go figure.

      A replica of a 100 year old Adirondack hiking staff pattern made by the Poestenkill Hiking Staff company. They don't seem to have a web presence and for all know have been out of business for a long time. Mine is 20 years old. Simply perfect. In this case 100 years ago they knew a lot better than we do now. Perfectly shaped. Perfectly balanced. Perfect resilience.

      KFG

    2. Re:Mouse... by brakk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I also have a Logitech cordless mouseman optical, and love it, but only because it's cordless and optical. I don't understand why the shape is that big of a deal. I can use any mouse just as easily and can't tell much of a difference. Maybe I just have big hands, but I don't actually put my hand on the mouse. The only parts that touch the mouse are my fingertips. Thumb and pinky grab the mouse and move it, the other three push the buttons and scroll the wheel and my wrist sets on a wrist pad. In fact, if I actually lay my palm ON the mouse, my fingers almost overhang the front making it hard to press the buttons and then I have to use my whole arm to move the mouse.

  11. The length or the girth? by ricochet81 · · Score: 2, Funny

    http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/02/18/tec hnology/19REMOTE.b.jpg Yep, remote control is the first thing that comes to mind when viewing their prototypes.

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  12. Other remote controls by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What about badly designed objects? My comcast cable remote is horrible. To use the scroll buttons on the program guide (if it can be called such, half of it is ads) I need to contort my wrist. Why remote controls are still shaped like hotdog buns is beyond me. On some level, these designers must realize that an ideal situation would involve a more mouse-like remote. And please, lets start using RF instead of IR. I'm sick of pointing my remote. Yes I'm that lazy.

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    1. Re:Other remote controls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My ATI/X10 RF remote uses 433.92 MHz as its frequency (according to an FCC ID search for B4SUR84A), so it shouldn't compete with any networks.

      This remote has really spoiled me - it always works (as long as the batteries are good), regardless of where I aim it. The IR remote on my parents' digital tuner annoys me every time I use it now. If there's more than a 10 degree angle from the IR receiver, it won't receive the signal (possibly because of the glass window on the TV stand reflecting it).

      Whatever happened to powerful IR remotes? I had an old IR remote for a Jerrold TV tuner in the 1980s. It took a 9-volt battery, but I could aim the thing at the wall or through my hand, and it would still work. It seems like each generation of IR remotes is getting progressively weaker.

    2. Re:Other remote controls by bm_luethke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      " And please, lets start using RF instead of IR. I'm sick of pointing my remote. Yes I'm that lazy."

      I don't think that is lazy, but good design. Many times it takes quite a wrist contortion to point the remote correctly, and lord help anyone whose batteries are low or has something blocking the line of sight. I don't have near the trouble with a keyboard that I do with the remote, yet when one says something about the remote the response is generally "walk to the TV stupid" - yea big help there. Like occasionaly getting out of the chair and stressing cold muscels doesn't cause MUCH of the back problems we see today. And keyboards get a lot of attention.

      I've had wrist injuries and had issues with pointing any remotes and had to switch hands (even had my right shoulder hurt trying to point the remote whith an injured wrist back when I lived in a dorm). This generally causes left wrist issues as it is continual motion it is not accustomed to. I imagine the repeated pointing of the device contributes a good deal to different repetitive stress syndromes.

      While the remote isn't really that big a part of RPS problems it is something that should be VERY easy to fix but none of the better designs get picked up. Cheap easy fix for a minor problem - good cost benefit analysis.

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    3. Re:Other remote controls by fallingdown · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Good god the entire Comcast system is horrible! The remote is a mess plus the onscreen interface is a joke. If you happen to want to flip through all the channels at the top of the hour - good luck! If the show hasn't quite started yet, the default function is to ask you if you'd like to set a "reminder" for the show! So to flip channels you actually have to point the channel guide back to the previous half hour and flip through the channels that way. The list goes on and on but it's obvious that Comcast has put no thought into their remote or on screen interface what so ever. There is no excuse for it in this day and age. Tivo on the other hand, is a joy to use.

    4. Re:Other remote controls by kmankmankman2001 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well some might say that the Comcast remote sucks so that it better matches the Comcast service.

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  13. Google Link by aaron_ds · · Score: 4, Informative

    Google Link here

    1. Re:Google Link by Sieni · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The funny thing is that the Slashdot parter link seems to work as well. The question now is: why don't the editors use it? :-)

    2. Re:Google Link by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The funny thing is that the Slashdot parter link seems to work as well. The question now is: why don't the editors use it? :-)

      The "editors" can't even be bothered to check spelling. Quite often links are completely broken. So expecting them to actually adjust a link is not realistic.

  14. I have a small TiVo remote problem by Rex+Code · · Score: 3, Funny

    I had a series one Philips TiVo and liked it a lot, so I replaced it with a Pioneer series two TiVo with DVD-R. The remote control is 99% similar, but the button in the lower left that was 'clear' on the Philips (used to kill the guide display and all kinds of other things) is now 'TV power'.

    It's been 3 months and I still kill the TV power about every 20 minutes...

  15. I don't like it. by philipsblows · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've had my TiVo for about 4 years or so now, and I use the remote as little as possible. I feed my DirecTV box into it and use the remote for that to change the channels, view the DTV guide, etc. Aside from the fact that the remote sucks, I never liked the fact that changing the TiVo channel erases the 30 minute buffer (I don't keep up on TiVo hacks, so maybe there's a way around that one by now). The curvy design is annoying, and it's fallen on the ground so much because of the odd shape that it now makes the old broken-plastic-pieces-inside rattle noise.

    My dad has a TiVo (a gift for my mom...) and he actually made a cradle for his so it rests flat on the table next to the couch. He likes to be able to press buttons while it's still on the table, which is all but impossible given the curviness.

    For what it's worth, I think the Nokia 6190 (or the non-gsm variants) is one of my all-time favorite designs in this category. I almost wish I could turn that thing into a remote control, as the buttons, display, feel in the hand, weight, and size were just about perfect. IMHO.

    1. Re:I don't like it. by squaretorus · · Score: 2, Funny

      My dad has a TiVo (a gift for my mom...)

      Thats why being a dad is great - you can buy things for your spouse to 'show her how much you love her - think of all the cooking shows you can watch now'.

      My dad once bought my mum a new AMP for valentines. Nothing to do with the fact his own amp had dies a week earlier of course. And hey - it had a red ribbon on it! Who says romance is dead

  16. Future prediction. by SinaSa · · Score: 2, Funny

    We all know a whole bunch of smartass posters are going to post innuendo about well shaped objects and their relation to dildos.

    Welcome to the next Wired article, "Geeks like dildos more than they like TiVo remotes".

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  17. Good news, but... by faust2097 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As an interface designer I'm happy on both a professional and personal level to see user-centric design getting press lately. On the other hand I'm afraid that a lot of MBA-types will read articles like this and figure that they can just throw a designer at a problem and expect them to fix everything that's wrong with their product.

    Real UI design will not fix fundamental flaws in a product. In fact a good designer will probably uncover problems that no one had noticed before. The reason that Tivo's interface is good is because the entire product was designed from the beginning around being easy to use. I'm willing to bet that there were designers involved in the product from the very beginning.

    I recommend that people interested in this sort of thing read Alan Cooper's The Inmates Are Running the Asylum. It's a bit harsh on engineers and I don't buy Cooper's zealousness regarding his techniques but it has a lot of good insight into what can go wrong and how to avoid it.

    I also really wish that the press could find a better poster child for our indutry than Nielsen, whose core competency is attention whoring and getting people to pay him thousands of dollars for speaking gigs [something he excels at]. He's got some pretty smart coworkers who have actually designed products that changed the way we interact with computers. Nielsen's crown jewel is a kooky Sun skunkworks project.

    1. Re:Good news, but... by opti6600 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Alrighty, time for me to chime in with discussions on well designed objects!

      I have a real passion for good design as well as functionality and durability in anything I own or purchase, and usually what's in this cubicle (and the cubicle itself), as well as my office, reflect that rule.

      As much as people might rant and/or rave that the Segway HT is a completely useless or fattening device even though I commute with one, heh, the fact is that it has to be one of the simplest and yet most attractive products from an industrial design perspective. It's entirely gray, with a preponderance of odd things, and yet the ID team managed to pull it off, and quite well I might add.

      Then we have my own little monolith. My NetShelter VX 25U rack. APC did wonders with the server rack, imho. It was sitting in my living room for a good month while I set up my office, and during that time it wasn't really that much of an eyesore (yeah, maybe I'm just bizarre) - the folks over at APC had turned a lump of steel and aluminum into a piece of black-powder-coat art, albeit very professionally.

      And the list goes on, but I can certainly say that proper design makes the difference between a buyer and a window-shopper.

  18. Re:RTFA via google by BrianEnigma · · Score: 2, Informative

    Use a registration from here: http://bugmenot.com/

  19. do you have an emotional attachment to your... by warrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...TiVo remote? Or other well-designed objects?

    Yes, my second generation iPod :)

    Cheers,
    Mike

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  20. my favourite remote by boarder · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have used the TiVo remote, and it is pretty good... I prefer the remote I have, though.

    It is the Radio Shack universal 15-2116 (previously 14-1994, which I also still own). I hacked together a little parallel cable to connect it to my computer and program every single button exactly how I want (called the JP1 hack). You can map any button any way you want, clear out the memory of unused buttons, etc. I have that thing programmed for 6 different things (from the replayTV to the original Apex hacked dvd player to an offbrand tv/vcr combo) and have the buttons so intuitively mapped that I don't ever need to look at it. It also has this weird textured plastic that feels like hardened suede. IR learning and everything else, all for $30.

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  21. Scary by cubic6 · · Score: 3, Funny
    From the article:
    One TiVo aficionado, Pat Hughes, a software engineer in San Jose, Calif., dressed up his two-month-old daughter as the remote for Halloween in 2002. The costume, which took a week to make, was a painstakingly exact replica, complete with battery compartment in the back. "That's where she went in," he said.
    Does anybody else think that this man has some issues? Liking your remote is one thing, but this seems above and beyond.
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  22. That's not my TiVO remote! by dcmeserve · · Score: 3, Informative
    I have the Sony remote...

    ...You insensitive clods!

    By the way, one complaint I've heard (and can see) in the Phillips remote design is the fact that it's too symmetrical front-to-back -- when watching tv in the dark, it's hard to know if you're holding it the right way. Guess they didn't think of turning out the lights when they were doing their ergonomic tests. Whoops!

    Ha-hah!

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    1. Re:That's not my TiVO remote! by srs5694 · · Score: 2, Informative

      For those who love the Sony TiVo remote but who don't have Sony units, be aware that the Sony remote is actually a UEI model. This means that you can hack it and upload upgrade codes to it. There's a thread about doing this on the TiVo Community Forum: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.ph p?s=&threadid=101136. Of course, you'll need a Sony remote to hack in order to do this. If you owned a Sony TiVo that died, maybe the remote's still lying around. If not, check eBay. I think Sony may sell them, too, but I'm not sure exactly where you'd go to find them.

  23. Re:RTFA via google by berkut1337 · · Score: 3, Informative

    that didn't work for me, try this URL instead:

    http://tinyurl.com/2cmny

  24. It's ok. by teamhasnoi · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I still have to be a circus contortionist to punch in numbers with one hand. I still get play and pause mixed up; couldn't that be one button?

    My biggest issues with my rather new Direct TV tivo are as follows:

    The guide is sloooooowwwww. Way slower than the old RCA vanilla reciever.

    I can't filter out the channels I don't get, and have no interest in nearly as easily as the old reciever did. The RCA would automatically go through the list; any channels I didn't subscribe to would be removed from the list. I could also scroll through and *see* the channel (Bye bye, Home Shopping networks!) that I was deleting - no trying to decipher the 3 letter acronyms. I was done in 3 minutes with the RCA; with the Tivo, I'd better set an evening aside.

    The tivo is recording shows I might like to watch on channels I don't get! Great movie, Tivo! I love the way you mock my poverty by recording two hours of black screen!

    No use for the USB ports on the back. I was all excited thinking I could dump some shows right to my Powerbook and burn some DVDs. Nope. Sure I can record to VCR, but why? It's sooo 1995.

    No Home Media Option as of yet for Direct TV PVRs. Not that I can't do this with the old PB, but I feel like I'm being shorted. (See previous point)

    The remote is far and away the best one I have, but I still need other crappy ones to control stupid features on my TV, Sterio, and VCR.

    The first company to devise a 'middleman' remote that waits for a 3 digit code from my tivo remote, then shunts further remote functions to my chosen equip is going to get my money. It could be programmed with the 'left out' functions of all my other remotes (PiP on my 97 Magnavox TV, for instance), then I could put them in a drawer somewhere and forget about them 'till garage sale time.

    No reason I can't learn key combos - you have to in order to play any video game these days. Perhaps when I select the VCR it can scream "FATALLITY!" at me.

    1. Re:It's ok. by steppin_razor_LA · · Score: 2, Informative

      Removing channels you dont want to watch can be done -- but it would be really nice if there was a way to do it from the guide.

      If you aren't afraid of voiding your warranty, you can install software like MFSFTP, Tyserver, Tystudio, etc and be able to do digital video extraction for archiving onto your file server or DVD.

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  25. Depends which one you have.. by James_G · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I have two Tivos (Series 1). A Sony model and a Philips model. I can't stand the Philips remote. but the Sony remote completely rules. All the commonly used stuff is grouped together. You rarely need to stray beyond the central buttons.

    Another problem with the Philips remote is that it feels the same upside down, making it hard to tell which way you're holding it in the dark. With the Sony remote, I can do everything without even glancing at the thing.

    On the whole, the Sony remote is among the best remotes I've ever used for anything. No extraneous buttons (you use basically everything), but the frequently used stuff is intelligently placed.

    1. Re:Depends which one you have.. by geekoid · · Score: 5, Funny

      if you have two tivos, and hook them together, then do a live pause on one while the other one is recording, will you rip apart the fabric of time?

      This could be espcially bad if you have picture in picture.

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    2. Re:Depends which one you have.. by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 2, Informative

      I also have a Sony series 1 recorder. Although I've never used the peanut remote, I must say I really have come to love the Sony remote control. It is incredibly well balanced and fits in your hand very easily.
      The most frequently used keys - the playback controls - are directly beneath your thumb at all time, with the pause, ffwd and rewind keys slightly recessed to make it easy to feel where they are without looking.
      The next most useful keys, volume control and channel number, as well as the TiVo menu keys and arrow keys, are close by and easy to reach.
      The number keys, which are handy but less often used, do require you to move your hand, but it's good they were placed out of the way to make room for more frequently used buttons.

      There's a lot of great feedback in the remote design itself. Groups of buttons are similarly colored and there are a lot of physical features that make it easier. The TiVo button is a hard, shiny plastic, which sets it apart from the rest of them. Many different button shapes help to differientiate the controls, and some are angled, raised or lowered to make it easy for your thumb to find them.

      Anyway, I digress, but I really love this remote. I wish there was something comparable to it in an "all-in-one" remove control. The only thing bad about the remote is if you lose it - because Sony didn't both to put any buttons on the front of their DVR! Sure, the featureless faceplate looks pretty cool, but it makes the box useless if you can't find the remote.

  26. Wow! So ergonomic! So in the drawer it goes. by Channard · · Score: 2, Informative

    At least that's the way it went in my house. I suspect a number of slashdot users - certainly myself - have so many remote controls they replace them with an all-in-one remote. My current cheapy all in one controls my CD player, my TV, sky box, vcr and DVD. And nice as any individual device's remote control may be, I'd rather stick it in a drawer and use the all-for-one instead of having to fumble for more than one remote.

  27. Nintendo GameCube controller... by nhaines · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've always loved the way my GameCube controller sits perfectly in my hands, and the deep contour of the shoulder buttons. The Control Stick is very precise and sensitive, and isn't too loose. The face button configuration is likewise very intuitive and easy to use without looking at the controller.

    Sure, it took a little getting used to for some games. But there were a few games (mostly ports) who did a bad job with controller mappings in the beginning. Any native GameCube game controls beautifully. I prefer the controller to the PS2 controllers. They are also nice controllers, but a little boxy, and I can't stand the analog sticks. Way too loose for me.

    That's my attachment. :)

    1. Re:Nintendo GameCube controller... by Rallion · · Score: 4, Informative

      Plus I never needed to look down at the controller the first time I played a GameCube game. Er...square? What's the intuitive location for a square, and how does that differ from circle?

      GameCube has A. First. Primary. Big. Then B. Like A, but less important. Then X, to the right, and Y, up. Or, for the letter-impaired, big circle, small circle, bean one, bean two. All of them EEL different, you know where your fingers are. And you always know that no matter what game you play, A means confirm, B means cancel.

      Beats the hell out of faintly printed symbols on small, identical buttons.

      Of course, that's in addition to what you said about the fantastic comfort level of the thing. Nine out of ten people who say that beautiful thing is awkward to use haven't given it a chance. Though I loved it right out of the box.

      Don't take mine though. Take my little sister's MicroCon(?) version. Now THAT controller is too small.

    2. Re:Nintendo GameCube controller... by nhaines · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, not to mention that ever PS2 game I play seems to have a random function for each face button. I'm used to X is action and triangle or circle is cancel. But who knows? It's different each game.

      It's been A = confirm, B = cancel since the NES, and although the early games have different shoot/jump features, it's been B = attack and A = jump for most games for years and years.

      I like that the GCN virtually forces A is the primary action and B is secondary. It's also easier as far as menus go. A = Confirm. It's GREEN. And B = Cancel. And it's bright RED.

      The Z trigger is kinda weird, but it's meant as a sort of "select" button, and it works just great on my Game Boy Player as the display menu trigger. :)

  28. Text of article (with line breaks) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    // The article really pissed me off because of the huge flash ad in the middle of the page. You shouldn't suffer the same. Missing: stock photo of a remote control.

    To most home viewers, remote controls may seem like ancillary sidekicks to the main attraction that is the television, DVD player or digital video recorder. Yet in some ways the remote has become the centerpiece of home entertainment: so many functions have been relegated to this slip of an object that if it is lost, you may find yourself unable to do so much as call up a menu for watching the movie you popped into the DVD player.

    But if the remote control is a linchpin, it is also often an inscrutable one. A typical remote may have some 40 buttons, with functions that are hard to divine. Often the labels - "toggle," "planner" and the like - are no help. The device can feel like an afterthought, thrown together without any planning at all.

    Increasingly, however, electronics companies are recognizing that building an easy-to-use remote control is an important and challenging task. To improve the remote, they are deploying teams of experienced industrial designers who focus on the product for months - and reaching out to consumers for advice.

    In 1998, design engineers at TiVo, the Silicon Valley company that helped introduce the digital video recorder to the world, set out to produce a distinctive remote control. The result was a textbook blend of complexity and ease of use.

    The peanut-shaped TiVo remote is at once playful and functional. A smiling TV set with feet and rabbit ears, the company's logo, graces the top. Distinctive buttons like a green thumbs-up and a red thumbs-down button have helped the remote win design awards from the Consumer Electronics Association.

    "They did a really good job," said Jakob Nielsen of the Nielsen Norman Group, a technology consulting firm in Fremont, Calif. Mr. Nielsen called the oversize yellow pause button in the middle of the remote "the most beautiful pause button I've ever seen."

    When Paul Newby, TiVo's director of consumer design, arrived in June 1998, as the company was just starting up, he and a team of six designers were given 14 weeks to come up with a functioning remote control. Along the way they relied not only on their own instincts but also on feedback from potential users on everything from the feel of the device in the hand to the best place for the batteries.

    Mr. Newby, 45, a mechanical engineer, came to TiVo by way of designing much larger objects - Caterpillar construction equipment, to be specific. Designing something that was by comparison microscopic was an inviting challenge.

    Many remotes are monochromatic slices of hard plastic. For years, they have generally stuck to the old design conventions, a rectangle with neat rows and columns of buttons lined up like so many cadets.

    "They were designed by - and I hate to say it because I am one of them - engineers," Mr. Newby said.

    Mr. Nielsen said: "They work well if you're sitting in bright light and you have good eyesight and you're 20 or 30 years old. They're overloaded with features you don't really need except once a year or once a lifetime."

    The shape of the remote - the subtlety of how it feels in the hand - was Mr. Newby's first major design consideration.

    Because of the nature of the TiVo video recorder, the remote is held for long periods as users continually choose shows to record, skip commercials, fast-forward and rewind recorded shows, rate programs by pressing the thumbs-up or thumbs-down buttons, and even pause live TV. Designing a remote that consumers would find comfortable was a high priority.

    Central to the process, Mr. Newby said, was producing prototypes "early, ugly and often."

    Ugly?

    "There tends to be this conservatism in the design process," he said. "I encourage young designers to go off and scare me.''

    Some of the results fell under the category of "Be careful what you wish for." One sket

  29. I love my Tivo remote.... by steppin_razor_LA · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think that Tivo is a triumph in usability. Not only is the remote very comfortable to hold (it is by far my favorite remote), but the GUI on the application itself is extremely well thought out.

    I can't count how many times when using Xbox Media Center to watch a movie that I've been frustrated by the many ways that that XBMP falls short of the Tivo experience.

    The fast forward / rewind interface is beautiful. Not only is the predictive fast forwarding extremely convenient, but it also shows you where you are in the movie in an equivalent of a scroll bar.

    It's a shame that it isn't easier to convert MPEGs into TMFs that can be inserted w/ MFSFTP. If it was, I'd be watching my archived movies on my Tivo instead of in XBMP in a heart beat.

    My only complaint (actually My GF's complaint) is that it sometimes is difficult for her in the dark to figure out which side is up and which is down.

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  30. Haven't used it in months by hey+hey+hey · · Score: 3, Interesting
    While the remote is OK, it suffers the same problem as most other device remotes, it only operates one thing. As soon as you have a VCR, DVD, stereo,... it becomes just another in the clutter. I replaced it with a programmable universal remote (MX-500) a long time ago.

    The remote was also annoying as there was no way to extend it, even for something simple you HAVE to do. My idiot TV always resets itself to channel 3 when turned off. So the first thing I want to do is change the channel back to "AV" input (where the nice S-video attached to my Tivo is). There is no way to have the Tivo remote change a channel.

  31. I concur...my ergonomic story by Atario · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The TiVo remote is indeed well-designed and more or less a joy to use. However, it seems to suffer a problem pandemic to all remotes: the eventual mysterious "buttons need ever-larger amounts of pressure to make electrical contact" problem. I tried taking it apart (which, of course, no remote is designed for), breaking the tiny points of the circuit board at the front. I washed the contacts anyway and put it back together, only to discover that the buttons now worked well, but the visible-light LED no longer worked. Sigh.

    So I ordered a replacement from the TiVo website. Oddly expensive -- $35. Plus, only the translucent blue was available. On top of that, when it came, I discovered it was slightly different from the old remote in form and function. The immediate upshot was that it's slightly longer, which, having gotten used to the good layout so intuitively before, required a period of adjustment to the new positions without having to look or feel for it.

    Anwyay. Anyone have a better method to cure (or prevent) that button-mashing problem?

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    1. Re:I concur...my ergonomic story by caffeineboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd think that this old trick from Atari 5200s would work...

      Atari 5200s were notorious for this problem. If you find one today it's almost certain that the controller will be slow or dead. There were two popular permanent ways to fix this (if I remember correctly):

      1) take the controller apart and apply little bits of sticky-back foil to the backs of the buttons. The foil I speak of used to be available for fixing rear window de-foggers, but I haven't seen it lately. This worked really well. Maybe you could put foil on there with contact cement. The idea is that the conductivity of foil is >> than the "conductive rubber" that is on the membrane.

      2) solder little micro-switches onto all of the contact points and then carve out the buttons. This is a little more drastic and makes the buttons "clicky", but it is a robust and permanent solution.

      The other way to fix it is to abrade the oxidation off of the contacts (try fine emory paper or an ink eraser). The problem with this is that it will of course just oxidize again. It is the simplest fix though.

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  32. nice remote by Jamie+Zawinski · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The Tivo remote is definitely one of the nicest remotes I've ever used -- my only complaint about it is that it's too symmetrical. I always end up picking it up pointed the wrong way and rewinding when I meant to fast-forward.

    I used to have a Philips Pronto remote (with the LCD screen that looks like a bloated Palm) and it was very flexible, but impossible to use in the dark: you had to look at it to see where the buttons were, since it was just a touch-screen. (Then I dropped a cup on it and the screen cracked, so that was the end of that.)

  33. attachment to well-designed stuff by TheLittleJetson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    of course Apple hardware goes without saying...

    Biggest aesthetic triumph i can think of otherwise are the wavebird controllers for nintendo gamecube. the buttons are easy to identify by feel/shape, the layout in general just makes sense (heavily based on playstation, i know...) -- and most importantly, they don't make your hands uncomfortable even if you play for hours on end [and there's plenty of us who do.]

  34. Make the Damn Thing a Learning Remote by invckb · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It would be my first choice for controlling anything if they would only make the damn thing a learning remote.

    I find it incredibly frustrating to look at a 'TV Input' button that doesn't control the input on MY TV.

    Sony models can learn on volume and mute buttons, and I think tv power, but even that isn't enough.

    I switched to the Harmony remote that sort of looks like the Tivo one. It has it's own issues, but I never have to pull out an original remote to do something ordinary.

  35. One of the best remotes out there but... by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Funny

    It would be nice if it didn't look like a little black dildo on my bed when its flipped-over. Seriously.

    1. Re:One of the best remotes out there but... by brakk · · Score: 5, Funny

      I understand completely. I wouldn't want to get it confused with all my other black dildos either.

  36. Sure it feels great, but looks? by fahrvergnugen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You know, the first thing my girlfriend said when we unpacked the TiVO from its box and placed the remote face-down on the table was, "Why did you buy me a dildo to go with your new toy?"

    I mean, great remote, but it really DOES look like a sex toy. Also it's too easy to hold it upside down if you're not looking. A couple of weights in the bottom of the unit would have taken care of that (I mean more weight than the batteries).

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    Even Jesus hates listening to Creed.
    1. Re:Sure it feels great, but looks? by Placido · · Score: 2, Funny

      >> I mean more weight than the batteries

      You mean like a small motor with an offset weight? Would that work for your girlfriend?

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      Pinky: "What are we going to do tomorrow night Brain?"
      Brain: "I would tell you Pinky but this 120 char limi
  37. Re:Yay TiVo! by Yottabyte84 · · Score: 2, Informative

    What I LOVE about my TiVo remote is the way every button press is recorded and sent back to the TiVo command complex once an evening!

    If that bothers you, you can opt-out, or hack the unit. It's /var/log/tivoLog.prv. 'ln -fn /dev/null /var/log/tivoLog.prv' will do the trick quite nicely.

  38. Damn TiVo icon is a button!?! by pretentiousPPC · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I tryed out a Tivo for the first time it took me forever to figure out that the funky emblem was a button.
    Great design my ass.

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    Artist will always make art.
  39. Sky digital by Andy+Smith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The remote control for Sky digital TV beats every other remote I've ever used. The button layout is designed perfectly and the weight and balance make the remote want to stay in your hand without effort. Looks good too.

    Colours are a bit off in this picture but...

    http://skybuy.sky.com/img_live/HTML-SA0015_large.g if

    The remote for Sky+ (a PVR) has a few extra buttons on it for record and playback. Has more of a silver finish to it and looks even nicer.

  40. Bang & Olufsen did the remote right by m3djack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I don't have many major qualms over the TiVo remote, one issue I always have with remotes are their physical properties. I own a few pieces of Bang & Olufsen kit, and they built their remote out of Zinc. So not only is the remote cool to the touch when you go to grab it, but it is heavier than a plastic remote as well. I even have it set up now to where I don't have to use my TiVo remote, I can use my Beo4 remote from Bang & Olufsen instead.

  41. Reminds me of the Palm by Ilan+Volow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The original Palm PDA had similar origins. The creator of the Palm, Jeff Hawkins, carved a block of wood into a size that would comfortably fit into his shirt pocket, and using a "stylus" made from a whittled-down chopstick walked around Palm inc. for a month or two entering dates and phone numbers and taking the thing with him to meetings.

    In my opinion, this is the way you should design any technology product; user experience first, technical stuff, code, and engineering later.

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    Ergonomica Auctorita Illico!
  42. Open source software needs UI designers! by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "They were designed by - and I hate to say it because I am one of them - engineers," Mr. Newby said.

    Mr. Nielsen said: "... They're overloaded with features you don't really need except once a year or once a lifetime."

    Honestly, folks. He might as well be talking about Linux distros, or open source software generally. In my experience, open source UIs are just plain terrible from a user perspective (though perhaps not from an engineer's).

    How is free/open source software ever going to replace anything on the desktop if the people who are attracted to these projects are almost exclusively engineers and programmers? The art of UI design is very different from the art of programming, and I think the open source "community," such as it is, needs to be more aware of the need for skilled UI designers.

    How to get UI people to join open source projects, however, is a mystery to me. Any ideas?

    yours

  43. Microsoft mouse... by sameyeam · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm probably going to get slaughtered for saying something positive about Microsoft, but I love the Microsoft mouse. IMO They know how to build quality hardware, shame they can't apply that skill to other areas.

  44. Speaking of Kitchen Tools... by spun · · Score: 2

    I just got some very nice kitchen stuff. The old room-mate was a chef, and he took all his nice tools when he left. I decided I wanted good gear, as I love to cook, so the wife and I went on a bit of a shopping spree.

    The DeLonghi toaster we got is fantastic. It's got a brushed aluminum finish and kind of looks like an old Airstream trailer. It has a cancel button, defrost button, and a bagel button, and the darkness knob is so smooth, it feels like it should be on high end stereo equipment.

    I picked out three Wusthof knives: the classic model 8" chef's, 6" hollow ground santoku, and 3" paring knife. These are very high quality steel, which is important. Cheap knives won't take or hold a decent edge. They make two other models of equal quality steel, with different handles. My ex roommate says for professional chefs who may be chopping for hours at a time, the other two models are lighter and more ergonomic, but I like the heft and traditional style of the classic line.

    I also got a set of Scanpan cookware. Goodbye Teflon. Whatever nonstick stuff they use on these is amazing. It's somehow melded into the metal so it won't scratch off even with metal tools. They also have a multi layered construction with some kind of titanium alloy in it somewhere, so they have great heat distribution. And they are tough. I let a pot of water boil dry the other night while snuggling on the couch with my wife watching 'Lost in Translation' again. Nothing melted or cracked, and the mineral scale and discoloration came right off.

    Also the (relatively) new kind of silicone spatulas and tools are great. Mine are rated good up to 500F/260C. They are also more flexible than the old rubber kind and don't wear out as fast.

    I wanted a KitchenAid mixer, but the wife nixed it as she is on Atkins and baking anything would be torture to her. If you can eat bready things and like to bake, these are worth the price. You can pass them on to your kids.

    I did get a Cuisenart blender/food processor combo. It's a little small, and the gearing in the food processor attachment sounds like a jet engine winding up, but it is powerful and nicely made.

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    - None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
  45. Brand: Home Theater Master by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Tivo remote is a fantastic design, but I've replaced it with a universal remote - truly universal; that has programable LCD buttons on the top 25% and REAL buttons with different shapes for the remaining.
    This new remote replaced no less than 2 other so called "universal remotes." No longer will you have to hunt for the original remote because your universal remote is missing 1 or 2 buttons, this thing controls them all, supports macros, is programmed over a PC interface, can learn commands, and comes with many devices preprogrammed into the interface.

    What is it? A "Home Theater Master MX-700"
    http://www.remotecentral.com/mx700/

    I found it on eBay for $140. Ok, that is steep for a remote. It is about $50 more than other full featured remotes that lack those few buttons. I ask you, how much satisfaction will you get when nobody can complain that your universal remote isn't really universal anymore. There is a newer model which has features I didn't need.

    Whatever you do, avoid those fancy all LCD remotes. There's no "feel" to them and you'll be pressing the wrong buttons contantly.

    Did I mention it controls **everything** on my Tivo perfectly with intellegent tactile button locations?

  46. Biggest problem with TiVo by word+munger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... There's no OFF button! To turn the damn thing off, I have to navigate down six lines of a menu to "standby." Sure I've programmed my universal remote to do it for me, but if it's not quite pointed directly at the unit, or if the batteries are running low... grrrrr!

    1. Re:Biggest problem with TiVo by stevel · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're not supposed to turn the TiVo off. Even "standby" isn't "off". The only way to really turn it off is to unplug it, which eliminates the whole point of having a TiVo.

      Just turn the TV off and leave the TiVo alone.

      On standalone TiVos, Standby turns off the audio/video outputs and front-panel LEDs and routes the RF in to RF out. On DirecTV TiVos it also stops recording the live buffer(s).

  47. I actually hate the TiVo remote. by DdJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, it's nice while it's in your hand, but mine spends a lot more time on a table than in my hand. And this device sucks when it's on a table. It's got these two little flat bits on the bottom near the two ends, but other than those, it's all curved. You've got to get those two contact points onto the same flat surface for the remote to be stable. If you don't, the thing falls over constantly. So, whenever I want to start watching my TiVo, because of their remote design, the first step is a hunt for the remote. None of my other remotes have this problem.

  48. A candidate for worst inmate: Alarm Clocks by ianscot · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I recommend that people interested in this sort of thing read Alan Cooper's The Inmates Are Running the Asylum.

    One of the best examples from that Alan Cooper book is alarm clocks.

    That's also a perfect example of dysfunctional relationships between user design and the engineer. There are alarm clocks that project the time on the wall or ceiling, alarm clocks that (supposedly) lull me to sleep with white noise or "nature sounds," and alarm clocks that wake me with my favorite CD -- but every blinking last one of them has horrible user design, especially for the intended audience: sleepy, disoriented people who don't have their contacts in. It's pretty amazing to consider just how awkward the things are.

    The guts of a better alarm clock: Bigger buttons that are clearly differentiated, even without my glasses on. Decent control over my snooze-ing -- limits on number of times, variable length, etc. would be nice. Readable displays that show different information -- ta dum! -- differently. ("Alarm" is not the same as "PM" and should not be an identical dot on the display.) And so on.

    Everyone has one of these, but the business hasn't produced a really good alarm clock at the commodity level for Target to carry. Designers with swooshy plastic cases aren't going to fix the problem by themselves.

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  49. his favorite remote by raygundan · · Score: 2, Funny

    I helped build the little parallel cable that runs his remote, since Aeronautical engineers aren't much with soldering irons. I was going to build one for myself, until I actually tried using his. I guess you get used to it, but I decided I prefer a remote where you can tell what the buttons do just by looking at it, rather than having to be the one that programmed it. He says "intuitive," but that's because it's his setup. I couldn't figure out how to control his replayTV with it. That's the big drawback for the programmable remotes that don't have screen faces-- you can't change the text.

    But hey, everybody likes what they like. I like the original Tivo peanut remote, but the new slightly longer one that came with my DirecTivo ruins the perfect balance and layout of the old one.

  50. Sony TiVo remote is BETTER then TiVos' by rufo · · Score: 2, Informative

    I know what you mean (a friend of mine is a Sony nut, all the remotes he has are awful), but the Sony TiVo remote is completely different from any other remote Sony has made. I would even go so far as to say that it's better then the TiVo peanut remote, and that's saying a lot.

    The remote is just so perfectly balanced and shaped... I actually started to fall in love with TiVo just because of the remote without ever seeing the TiVo interface.

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    My English teacher once told me that two positives don't make a negative. Two words for her: Yeah, right.
  51. How to clean and restore your remote by plover · · Score: 5, Informative
    [ DISCLAIMER: The following instructions work for me, but I'm always very careful. They may or may not work for you. You may damage or destroy your remote if you try these suggestions. You are responsible for your own actions. By trying any of these suggestions, you agree that you will not hold me responsible for any damage you may cause to your own remote. Remember, this is Slashdot and not Chi1ton's Remote Control Repair Manual. Eat your vegetables. ]

    Take the remote completely apart, removing every component possible. When disassembling, take notice of where the battery wires and/or springs run so that you can return them to their original positions. Also, note the order in which you removed the parts.

    Clean the plastic housings and other case parts like the battery cover with dish soap, water and an old toothbrush. Clean the button side of the button membrane with the toothbrush, but do not get water on the contact pad side. The circuit board usually just needs a good dusting, I typically dry blow it off. (By dry-blow, I mean "don't use spit-or-humidity-laden breath".) And never directly contact any circuit board with the nozzle or brush of a vacuum cleaner, they generate tremendous amounts of static which can blow chips.

    If the circuit board is really filthy or sticky, (as in "beer spill",) you will need to clean it and the membrane pads with the soap and toothbrush, too. Make sure you completely and thoroughly dry the parts afterwards. I use a hair dryer. I have heard of people washing the circuit boards in the silverware tray in their dishwasher, but I have not personally tried this. I would also not put any plastic components through a heated dry cycle.

    Once the circuit board is clean and dry, take a pink pencil eraser and clean the contact pads. If they are bare copper, polish each one until it is bright and shiny. If they are carbon coated, lightly rub them with the eraser but do not deeply abrade them. You just want to break through any surface dirt, not reshape them. And be careful not to rub so hard as to lift the copper traces from the circuit board, or your remote is probably toast. Afterwards, carefully brush or dry-blow all residue from the polishing. Even the tiniest particles here will cause the buttons to fail.

    The buttons, however, are usually where the problem lies. For many years I've used a new U.S. dollar bill (or any new paper currency) as a mild abrasive on the black contacts. Depending on the design of the button and the membrane, you can either grip the individual buttons and rub them one at a time on the abrasive, or you can sometimes place the whole membrane assembly flat on the paper, move it with a circular motion and press the buttons to the paper. Be careful, some membranes are extremely thin and fragile. When rubbing the contacts on the abrasive, it is very important that you maintain the parallel planes between the button pads and the circuit board pads -- if you grind too much off one edge of a button pad, you'll typically just make your problem worse. You want to rub off just enough to break through dirt and/or damage. You may need to abrade more to repair badly rounded or misshapen contacts. When it's properly done, each pad should be flat (or imperceptibly convex) and parallel to the circuit board.

    Reassemble the remote, usually in the reverse order in which you took it apart. Carefully route the battery wires and/or springs back through their original positions. Finally, install out-of-the-package fresh batteries.

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    John
    1. Re:How to clean and restore your remote by Whatchamacallit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sounds like it would be worth simply buying a new remote from TiVo rather then go through this time consuming process! Sorry but $35 is a small price compared to an hour or two of fiddling and polishing a remote's internals.

      Yeah, I'm a geek but I am not going through this process unless it would cost a $100 otherwise!

  52. TiVo Bad Remote, Sony Good. by djtripp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have to say that when I switched to a series II TiVo from my original Sony Boxed TiVo, I generally did not like the new remote. Why do I not like it? With the sony remote, you could access ALL buttons from one hand placement, with the TiVo remote, you have to reposition your hand from the top to the bottom when switching from regular controls to the numnerical (and the clear button). But it's biggest fault is it's symmetry. When it's dark, you sometimes can't tell which way is forward and you start fast-forwarding when you want to rewind. I can't be the only one this has happened to. Otherwise, it's a pretty good remote, but I like my Marantz RM-2000 MkII, which just rocks.

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  53. TiVo remote stinks by cepler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We have 3 Sony DVR-2000 Series 1's and we recently got our 4th TiVo, a Series 2. The remote STINKS! I absolutely HATE it! The Sony SVR-2000 remotes are much much much better and a lot nicer to use.

    For one thing, the Series 2 remotes are missing some functions that the Series 1's have. Also, the channel number buttons are WAY WAY WAY down on the bottom of the remote making it a pain to one-handedly change channels by number. The direction pad is horrid because you accidently hit the wrong directions rather than the nice Sony remote which has individual buttons for left/right/up/down with plastic dividers to prevent accidents.

    What brain-dead moron designed the TiVo remote?

  54. intuition by boarder · · Score: 2, Funny

    The only way he "helped" was by letting me borrow his soldering iron. And the remote setup he used was on my 14-1994... I had that setup to have the exact layout of the original remote mimicked, so buttons were "mislabeled" but they were where I remembered them being on the original remote. The new 15-2116 has most of my codes in it natively, so it is setup with correctly labeled buttons. I had to relearn some positions, but now all my dorky friends can look at it and know what they do.

    There is something I find beautiful about only having a single remote on your coffee table that controls everything, instead of 4 or 5 remotes strewn everywhere.

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    IANAL, but I play one on /.
    1. Re:intuition by raygundan · · Score: 3, Funny

      He's lying, and I have pictures. He soldered nothing. Mostly, he was cutting apart the IDE cable (which I was admittedly pretty lousy at.)

      He does have an excellent point, though-- my trusty tivo remote covers about 80% of my viewing, but anything else requires that I use a pile o' remotes to change inputs and play dvds, etc...

  55. TiVo remote is a POS by Jagasian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I recently purchased a TiVo and I must say that its remote is a POS. It doesn't properly work with my APEX TV, let alone support my other settop devices. Instead I bought the inexpensive ($18) URC 6131 universal remote, which supports my TV, VCR, TiVO, and Xbox! I highly recommend it to anyone that has too many damn remote controls and just wants one to control everything.

  56. The Tivo remote is AWFUL - here is why by SatanLilHlpr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's round. On first impression, one might naively get the idea that it's designed with the hand in mind. Wonderful... except that is only ONE environment in which it must function!

    Coffee table operation

    Have you ever tried to push the volume or channel up/down buttons while the remote is on the coffee table? Imagine dozing on the couch, and reaching out to the coffee table to flip the channel, only to have the STUPID ROUND remote roll over when you press the button which is so BRILLIANTLY placed to the side of the STUPID ROUND remote's axis of rotation? That's right, the result of this operation is not the channel being changed, the result is the STUPID ROUND remote flipping over on it's back.

    Armchair placement

    Have you ever tried to put the remote down next to you, on a surface that was not perfectly horizontal? Remember the remote is a STUPID ROUND remote... This means that the contact area underneath the remote would approach a point, were it not for the small, inadequate flat spot under there. The small, inadequate flat spots which do nothing to keep the STUPID ROUND remote from sliding off of any fabric covered surface you might place it on. A fabric covered surface, which might not always be perfectly horizontal... hmm... let me think of an example. Ah. Maybe a COUCH or SOFA perhaps? Pretty rare environment for a TV remote, so I can understand how this slipped by during testing...

    Seat cushion placement

    Okay, I think you can see where I'm going with this STUPID ROUND idea. Imagine you place the remote next to you on your prize sofa, an exotic artifact which you imported at great expense just for the novelty of it. (Imagine that... actually owning a SOFA!) Next, imagine a friend who comes to sit down near you on the sofa, and the cushion the STUPID ROUND remote is sitting on is compressed on one side (please, try to imagine this even though it might seem alien and unfamiliar). Now, the surface of the cushion is no longer horizontal. Promptly, the STUPID ROUND remote, as round objects are want to do, rolls on the surface of the cushion. Which way does it roll? Yes, that right, DOWN. Down between the cushions. Out of sight. Inaccessable.

    Perfect.

    *Some* aspects of the Tivo remote reflect really good design. It would be a good design, if the only thing I ever used my hand for was to hold the remote! This design is arrogant. It may not have been their intention, but underlying assumption that I'm never going to remove from my hand this 'oh-so-important and marvelously designed' object d'art just drips from its very essense.

    How many times I've had that thing flip out from underneath my fingers when trying to flip channels when an obnoxious commercial roused me from my slumber... Oh, how I long for the chance, just once, to get up off the couch, and KICK THAT DESIGNER SQUARE IN THE NUTS AS HARD AS I CAN!!!

    DON'T GIVE ME YOUR DAMMED "IMPROVED" DESIGN UNTIL WORKED THROUGH ALL OF THE SIDE EFFECTS THAT YOUR "IMPROVEMENT" IS GOING TO CAUSE !!! In the meantime, I'll use my crappy, square, poorly designed remote.

    And people, stop gushing over this piece of crap plastic...

  57. I think it's a poor design for one reason. by wcrowe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Each end is shaped exactly the same. I'm always picking it up and pressing the fast forward (I think) only to discover that I just pressed the rewind. My other remotes I hardly have to glance at because they are bigger at one end, or have some other tactile clue as to which is the correct orientation.

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