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MIT Professor Michael Hawley
cyranoVR writes "Today's CBS This Morning ran an interesting profile on MIT Professor Michael Hawley. Aside from recently publishing a super-jumbo-sized book about the Kingdom of Bhutan, he has invented (among other things) an interactive kitchen counter, designed a heart monitor embedded in jewelry, contributed to the MIT Toys of Tomorrow project and has written several classical compositions for piano. What really struck me was Hawley's observation that 'today's computers aren't musical enough.' For him, there is 'no difference between an ivory keyboard and a QWERTY keyboard.' I think it's a good thing that the mainstream media is starting to show how 'computer nerds' (as the correspondent identified Hawley) can be rich individuals with much more to their lives than hardware upgrades, programming languages and pocket protectors."
"I think it's a good thing that the mainstream media is starting to show how 'computer nerds' (as the correspondent identified Hawley) can be rich individuals with much more to their lives than hardware upgrades, programming languages and pocket protectors." There is? Since when?
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"with much more to their lives than hardware upgrades, programming languages and pocket protectors" Lies! There cannot be anything more to life!
For what it's worth, I'm a computer nerd and I could not care less how the mass media portrays me. Why should I? Why do you?
I've always considered coding to be an artistic pursuit - the perfect form, in coding's case, is the elegant form IMHO - the creation of the simplest tool to do the job well (and fulfill the requirements spec, of course :-). In music, the art is the whole expression: the rise and fall in volume, the tempo changes, the different instruments, the silences, the mood-creation. Music is the pursuit of immersion. Coding is the pursuit of elegance. At least for me.
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On the other hand, I can't really see "Spreadsheet in D minor" becoming too popular... entering incrementing data by performing a crescendo on the keyboard will take a while to catch on
So whereas there are similarities, I think there are differences too, and I think the two input mechanisms reflect that. There is the other point that not all of us are maestro's with a musical instrument... the user-interface of the ivories might be slightly less user-friendly than the traditional QWERTY (or AZERTY, or whatever is your poison
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"For him, there is 'no difference between an ivory keyboard and a QWERTY keyboard.'"
I don't know if I want to read his book.
I imagine something like...
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I knew and interacted with Michael Hawley lightly for a year (temporary advisor at MIT).
From my experience, he was constantly chasing whatever research line was most likely to get him in the media while neglecting projects that seemed to have more research merit but less potential for media attention.
This has to be one of the few that has the opposite problem.
Most nerds are men, and men change their priorities and attitudes over time. My rule of thumb is that the jocks mature early, the nerds mature late.
A nerd invests hugely in a technical subject and should, with time, be able to leverage that into a high value career. So it's quite normal that many men who were totally nerdy in their teens and twenties become relaxed, charming, social, and wealthy as they get older and more succesful.
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I always thought it would be interesting for someone to devise an "instrument" out of the QWERTY keyboard. So many people are proficient with the standard keyboard they'd be instant musicians.
It would be a cool addition to MMORPG games where you can have real bards that actually play music via keyboard.
I used to host IRC Chat for Bhutan before we got DDoSed to death. Really nice people, some egg heads too. Aside from the "Wanna chat?" guys asking for 16 year old girls, it's a nice place with alot of smart people.
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More rich individuals?, being a rich individual is measured in terms of how well you addapt to the social roles that are impossed nowdays?.
Slashdot is a social activity.
Please think about this: Name 1 comunity of non-geek persons that are more than 10 and that get together every day to discuss their ideas. There are NONE.
Now, look at Slashdot, are we unsocial terminal geeks?.
I Think the hole think is upside down. We are social people, actually more sociable than other social groups because we still belevie in some things like netiquete, we can maintain social contract. Actual society CAN'T. Slashdot is not a website, it's a social contract. EVERYONE can post here, and he will be listened, we have our methods to protect ourselves from those that don't know how to live in society, but we won't censor them or ask them to go away.
We are unsocial with many people because they comunicate in a different language, which is by definition aggresive and antisocial.
WTF am I doing replying to an AC at 5 A.M on a Friday night?
I have a platinum-plated pocket protector of +5 charisma!
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Both people have some extra money to do something to impress their friends. Hawley has more money.
BTW, why did the guy who mentioned big book/small country get modded troll?
OK, OK, so the giant book is an exercise in making some kind of maximum display technology like a middle ages style plasma TV. The big story here is enlarging the images to an appropriate resolution.
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Did they retire Weizenmbaum or what ? I always assumed they'd only have room for one of these certified kook types.
Have youy looked at that gentleman's publication list on his web site ?
- travels to Bhutan ???
- photo mosaics ??
- essays in "technology review" ??
Apparently the good professor never had scientific research published of which he is proud enough to mention it on his home page.
Oh well. MIT.
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WTF am I doing replying to an AC at 5 A.M on a Friday night?
Sorry, I was upgrading the embedded Forth interpreter in my pocket protector. What was it you wanted?
I've written an embedded firmware program for the Atmel AVR microcontroller to use the PS2 keyboard as a MIDI music keyboard. It's on Avrfreaks.com in the projects directory (search under MIDI).
Interfacing the PC keyboard is really tricky. It was necessary to use all the Warnier-Orr diagramming techniques learned in school to map out what was happening in order to get totally lost in the coding. But it does work. Press several keys down and get a chord on the synthesizer; release the keys and the notes go silent.
The real problem with using the PS2 QWERTY keyboard as a music keyboard is that certian key combinations don't work. I suspect that this is due to the scanning algorythm of the processor inside the PS2 keyboard itself. In business keyboard office applications, people don't press four or five letter keys at the same time.
Still it is a really cheap and small way to get sounds out of a MIDI tone module. This is great for using small, but beautiful sounding synthesizers (like the Roland Sound Canvas, the Yamaha TG100, or the Boss DS-330) in impromptu music sessions that usually have only acoustic guitars and/or drums and flutes or harmonicas. Use a small synth, a PS2 keyboard, a boom box, and a microcontroller PS2-to-MIDI interface to add hundreds of instrument sounds to pick-up jam sessions (ever played music in a deserted McDonald's at 9 pm?). The whole set up is light and tranportable (and cheap if it gets confiscated by the police or stolen).
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People who want to do music ... and I'm IT staff, who is getting a statistics degree, yet writes classical music as a hobby for fun ... find that they are stymied by antiquated and just plain dumb music software.
... oh, never heard of Banyan? Think on it.
The Musical Instrument Digital Interface (MIDI) is twenty+plus years old. Imagine if you were trying to do your networking using Banyan
Yet MIDI is what someone who WRITES music must use to export notes over into a program that will PLAY the music they write (i.e. a sequencer) with any degree of real sound. By itself, MIDI just does not support the nuances and articulations of music desk-top publishing, the environments known as notation programs. And also, notation programs can't adequately play back the notes (the sound is cheesey at best).
So people, myself included, resort to composing in one or the other, or perhaps in both a sequencer and a notation program simultaneously, each program running on a separate machine! Is that stone-age or what!!! Imagine if that was what was required to do word processing!
With the current state of MIDI, the computer isn't even able to write what you play into it from a keyboard (without hours and hours of tweaking and guesstimation). We haven't even come that far, people!
Oh, did I mention that the special cables and splitters required to network MIDI devices together are about 2000% more expensive than any other cable connections you are likely to buy! $600.00 all told to hook up three PCs with a MIDI keyboard!!! This is true of Macs as well as PCs.
No, computers AREN'T music friendly and it is a needless shame. Something must be done about it.
So this guy comes out with a book that is seven feet tall, weighs 133 pounds, and costs $10,000. This is an achievement of sorts, but as Molly Ivins once pointed out, once you've seen a one-ton cheese, a two-ton cheese isn't that impressive.
I love these profiles of 'geeks' who turn out to be renaissance men capable of excellence in nearly any endeavor.
Again why should I care about a *ANY* girl (pretty or not) which get her idea from the media, and is completly close-minded to recognize that *I* am different than how the media portray me ? Why should I care about about any girl which judge on the outside apparence and media portraying and do not bother revisionning it when she meets me ? Is such girl even worth bothering, if she can't make her own opinion different than what the media sprout ?
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What I'd like is a musical keyboard with C/C++ keywords on each key. Just think of the productivity increase from not having to type so many letters.
The purpose of people at the Media lab is basically to act cool and make MIT look good and therefore get donations from companies and rich people -- they don't do research like proving P != NP or stuff like that there.
Seriously.
What a useless post: "A show did a story on a cool guy, but I'll link to the homepage of the show which doesn't give us anything to read or watch, just a link to the guy's webpage." Why not just say, "Here's a cool guy who's doing cool stuff" and link to his page directly?
You CBS scum!
... I agree with the assertion that computers are not musical enough! The nice way to do that is make musical instruments which use computer technology, but make the musical instrument Goal the Primary Objective ... so that the computer part becomes transparent. Some very nice mfr's have done work in this regard ... (I consider my QY700 to be one freakin' nice musical computer, but then its a computer designed for music and nothing else, so ...)
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I was a grad student at MIT, doing a PhD in physics.
Every real scientist hated those media lab dicks, whose aim in life mainly seems to be hyping up their latest lame buzzword infested cranky inventions, and sucking up lots of cash that could be much better spent on some real stuff. What a wanker, I say.
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I've worked there (3 summer internships) and yes, they're flashy (very much so in 2001, far less so today) but the science and theory is exceedingly interesting met this fellow once... seemed nice enough... if a little obssessed
Check his background, CBS and Slashdot. Hawley didn't get tenure because he didn't do much solid research (instead relying on hype and PR). He's no longer a professor at MIT of any sort.
Musical computing is what I do now, at this place, and it's definitely true that computers are not musical enough.
First, the computer is theoretically a completely general tool, but the ones we use come packaged as an office tool. Using them for other purposes generally requires alot of work against this, even in our favorite operating systems. (though FAR less so)
The next problem is computer hardware. It's quite a daunting task in most cases to connect a keyboard or other controller to a computer. It has to be easy for non-geeks. (USB makes this much better than it has been.) In addition, the vast majority of low-end keyboards are awful. They usually have undersize keys, and almost never have velocity, which both become a problem once you move beyond 'mary had a little lamb'.
Creative makes a keyboard that is integrated into the qwerty keyboard. I think this is a fantastic idea. However, the same problems apply, undersize keys (they can be shorter, but they must be wide enough) proprietary, or at least nonstandard drivers, and very cheap construction. It is basically unusable, if they're wondering why it's not selling. Great idea though.
It is a travesty that all 'toy' musical instruments for children are really unplayable. What are we doing to our kids! Even the adult ones under $300 all lack velocity, and often have cheap keys that 'bounce.'
Using the qwerty keyboard as an instrument is not a bad idea. It is fundamentally different from typing. As an adult student of piano I thought my keyboard use as a geek would help. Maybe a little, but one key difference is that key hits when typing are INTERLEAVED, hence we get letters in order. Musical key hits are SYNCRONIZED, you often hit several keys at once. Learning the difference can be tough at first.
It does allow monoponic (one sound at a time) playing, and for that it's pretty neat. Many synth packages already do this, but the feature's not intended to be useful outside of testing. The PC keyboard sends key down and key up messages, so it may be possible to have polyphony (multiple sounds at once and chords) on keyboards whose internal multiplexing doesn't prevent it. Libraries intended for text keyboard use won't work for this.
Learning the piano I also realize that all those hours mastering Bruce Lee on the c64 when I was 13 were exactly the time when my brain could have been mastering music. The idea that you can't learn later is a myth. You learn differently. But the willingness, and the ability, to sit there for 6 to 8 hours a day trying to master something happens when you're young. (Luckily I did this with electronics and computers, so I'm now employed!)
Computers make GREAT musical instruments, and allow music to be made in most of the old ways and many completely new ways. Of course it's up to the musician to use them to make GOOD music.
The computer and toy industries have to start making products that are really useful to normally skilled people in normal situations, which are neither too technical or so stripped down as to be useless. Also, there need to be more musical games, which teach fundamentals, and are also fun. The only reason why the techological revolution isn't also a musical one is that we just haven't bothered. There's an instrument in every home and classroom now, and if we aren't cheap and lazy about it, they would be useful.
I tend to agree about the "clunkiness" of existing computer interfaces..Creating interfaces in a more natural, "musical" sense would have far-reaching effects in universal understanding not just between man and machine, but between people with different cultures/languages/backgrounds..Music binds us all together at a basic level, so interfaces based on a "musical" or non-verbal/no-visual level could bridge many gaps.
Webster's defines this as "having completed natural growth and development". I think that is precisely what I meant.
If jocks and nerds are competing, it is for access to sex, through one strategy or another. Jocks mature early because they adopt a strategy that works young: bigger, faster, more successful at physical sports. Nerds compete with a strategy that works older: collect technical skills and build into business accumen over time.
The statement that jocks are still "immature at 30" is easily countered when we see that they in fact completed their development at 18, and will forever remain that mental age. Mature, thus.
I hope this clarifies my original pithy analysis.
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For him, there is 'no difference between an ivory keyboard and a QWERTY keyboard.'
Then I don't want to hear his music, because it must all be played at the same volume, straight through.
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God himself is well known for playing the pipe organ. RMS has (unfortunately) been known to sing (I can't find a link to this gem, it used to be somewhere on Jamie Zawinski's website.) Eric Raymond advises hacker wannabes to master a musical instrument to enrich their personality.
It's old news...hackers like music. Why? Music is a cleverly woven chain of simple notes and chords, and if you do it right it sounds amazing and gives much of the same gratification as programming.
That said, this guy's pretty damn cool.
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According to Guinness World Records, at over five by seven feet (and 133 pounds), this staggeringly beautiful photographic book is the largest published book in the world--about one of the world's smallest countries.
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A limited edition of 500 copies will be produced. The $10,000 "price" (less than $100 per page) is a donation to Friendly Planet (a publicly supported charitable organization exempt from federal income tax pursuant to IRC 501(c)(3)). Each copy is built expressly for the recipient, is numbered, and can include a personal dedication message.
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This is the sort of book I would buy, if I had the money and if I wasn't scared that the donation that makes up most of the price might be funding a truckload of AK47s for a guerrilla war somewhere... caught myself pouring money into a spiritual group once before, and you have to think of these things.
It'll be a very collectable book, almost by definition of the price.
As much as I would like to believe that "music binds us together" I find such to be a romantic overgeneralization. Instead, music binds together some people -- people who choose to associate themselves with a particular lifestyle or ethos that is culturally associated with a music. Skaters, european bohemians, teen boppers, trekkies, rat pack foagies and many many more subcultures share an ethos, but it is hardly universal and the individuals in question may experience and consume their shared music in radically different ways. You may have been thinking of John Williams' Star Wars theme and the community of Slashdotters who are, in your opinion, bound together with this single music. But it would require a Slashdot poll to find out if even this particular community is "bound" or "unified" by such music.
It is really odd that a MIT professor, who is virtually unpublished, and apparently highly ignorant, in the field of computer music, is sparking a conversation about musical interfaces. Even the MIDI standard, which has been in active use for more than 20 years defies his belief that computers consider a QWERTY keyboard in an equivalent manner to a musical keyboard. Admittedly, MIDI is catastrophically lossy approximation of musical gesture, but it allows all sorts of parallel nuance to be transmitted to computers -- and has done so for two decades. There are even developments at the Media Lab itself, which are not considered to be the best in the field, with interactive musical interfaces which far outpace this ignorant characterization of music technology. Bio-electric senors, accelerometers, bend sensors, pressure sensors, ad nauseum... all are actively being utilized by composers throughout the world to extend the musical performance interface. It is like he has his head under a rock. The fact that he doesn't acknowledge such developments is disturbing for a professor at the MIT Media Lab. This statement could have been made as late as 1982 and no further.
Interesting???? How did this get marked +5 interesting? It's funny! You've heard of it haven't you?
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Boy do I ever agree with this! MIT was an important place, 60 years ago. Have you read the MIT 'Rad Lab' series? For a hardware guy, this is the 800lb gorilla of telecomm, radar, physics, and just general EE stuff.
But now, when I watch Discovery channel and see that ridiculous woman with her annoying *PUPPET* with the moveable eyebrows, it makes me want to become a plumber.
*This* is university-level work nowadays?
The typical image of a nerd (bifocals pocket protector, awkward, etc.) isn't outdated. People with high intelligence would be more "normal" if they weren't ignored socially. Mainstrem society values everything BUT intelligence. Scientists and similar professions are certainly important, but are viewed by some people as a means to an end.
Mod the parent up; the cheese comment is a riot!!
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Aside from recently publishing a super-jumbo-sized book... he... has written several classical compositions for piano.
Umm.... not to get too technical or anything, but if he is currently alive he can not possibly have written a classical composition. He may have composed a piece in a classical style, but there is a significant difference between the two. Vanessa Carlton could be said to have composed a work in a classical style, but very few would call it a classical composition (and they who do would be wrong).
Artistic value and usefulness aren't mutually exclusive.
Did anyone else notice that his super jumbo sized book (60inches by 44 inches by 6 inches)was published by a mob called 'Friendly Planet' .....
How many forests do you reckon it takes to make a book that size??
SO hang on...you *could* care less? This is meaningless.
Why is it there are many many combinations of notes that we hardly ever hear in chords...in popular music at least? Is that because musicians recgonise that some combinations sound bad to most people? Aren't they, therefore, following a strict set of rules?
I had never seen "slashdot" (and also haven't seen the CBS piece that spawned the rapidly devolving commentary.) Incidentally, I agreed somewhat sheepishly to allow the CBS piece as well as a profile in DISCOVER magazine because I was happy to share some of my views on teaching, and learning, and exploration to get out. These things are rather apart from many of the cracks made, which leads me to think that I'm not the only one who didn't see the CBS piece. Or maybe that's just the ordinary kind of "slashing" at play in slashdot.
Anyway, a few thoughts from afar.
1. Big Bhutan Book.
http://www.friendlyplanet.org/bhutan
This is an unusual coming together of notions. Technically we sought to advance, a little bit, the tools for field photography. I think we helped do this. We did assemble in passing what appears to be the world's largest archive of imagery from Bhutan (both film scans at grain resolution and digital), the bulk of it stamped with GPS information, etc. But we also wanted to help the students and schools there. That's why we engaged young Bhutanese students to take photos with us on several expeditions. And it's why we needed a publishing model that would generate some revenue (traditional ones don't). If unbound and hung in a gallery, the big book would need 500 horizontal feet of wall space, and cost a good $2500 to frame every 5x7 foot spread. As it stands, the book works out to less than $100 per page, and when a donor makes a $10k gift to the nonprofit charity established for this purpose (Friendly Planet), nearly $8k can be realized in profits (ie, deduction for the donor, and proceeds to benefit the schools). This is partly due to the outstanding help we've had from Amazon, HP, FedEx, and many others, and the incredible book binding work done by Acme (the world's oldest bindery). And because the prints are so large, we had to get really good at scrubbing grain noise from the film imagery and CCD noise from the high-ISO digital pictures. These and a number of other little technical twists helped add up to a nice result. Later in the spring we will introduce a more reasonably sized book, fine art prints, and begin work on Cambodia (our next subject). One step at a time.
2. Music and Audio Technology.
I worked for a long time at Bell Labs, IRCAM and Lucasfilm, so have been pushing on music and advancing the field of digital audio systems for quite awhile. Most of my early published journal articles were in this vein and can be found, e.g., in Usenix proceedings and journals from the late 80's. My MIT graduate work was also on audio analysis (e.g., how can a computer be architected in order to listen to something as rich and complex as a film soundtrack and pull out interesting information from the auditory scene?) The dissertation (Structure out of Sound, 1993) is available from the MIT Library. Project work ranged from scanning of crumbling Duo-Art player piano rolls, interfacing to a solenoid-driven Bosendorfer concert grand, high quality synthesis of a lifetime of human speech, to suites of MIDI and other audio tools. Much of this is now late bronze-age work, but some of the ideas and methods live on. I remain interested in the field, but am not actively plowing it.
3. Teaching, Learning, Research and Tenure.
A number of writers seem confused (or naive) about this. (Needless to say, nobody troubled to ask me.)
The main reason I have been somewhat distant from MIT of late (I turned down an endowed chair, became Director of Special Projects, and now maintain a more relaxed affiliation with the Media Laboratory) is that my interests were moving more towards nonprofit work with schools in developing countries. And I was also enjoying some nice personal success in music, which requires a tremendous amount of "solo" time. One just cannot spend that amount of time out of the lab, or practicing, and maintain a normal rank staff post in Cambridge. And
In my experience, being a pianist and knowing several professional concert pianists, the sound quality of the latest Yamaha digital pianos (MIDI pianos) - especially the Yamaha Clavinova CLP-170 (Flash website) - is as good as many acoustic grand pianos. In practice, the sound quality is usually better because acoustic pianos need but, often do not get, regular tuning.
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So the headline should have read "Former MIT Professor." Or maybe "World's Largest Book." For the record, it's 99% likely that CBS reported him as a "former MIT professor," but I mis-heard (and mis-transcribed) it. Oh well - I'm not sure how this affects the story.
Anyway, you comment that he's "no longer a professor of any sort." While it's true that he's no longer part of the faculty, this press release from December still refers to him as being "of the MIT Media lab" and his homepage is still on their server. So I think your clause "of any sort" is not entirely accurate.
Incidentally, the CBS This Morning piece noted that MIT denied him tenure, but I decided to leave it out of my submission because a) I thought it wasn't really relevant to the point of the story; and b) I didn't want to color the story as an "injustice sympathy" piece.
Another thing...being denied tenure doesn't necessarily indicate inferior merit.
My father runs a state-level professional organization for college professors, so I growing up I got to hear all sorts of wacky stories about professors being denied tenure. True Fact: many professors that do solid research are denied tenure. Reasearch is only a part of the criteria.
For starters, professors are expected to regularly (read: constantly) publish long, dry articles in acadmeic journals for peer review. "Publish or Perish." Given Hawley's diverse interests and apparent passion for working with undergraduate students (always a negative in academia), it wouldn't suprise me if he didn't get around to writing boring research articles as often as he should have.
Furthermore, bullshit politics often plays a BIG factor tenure decisions. As noted, Hawley was popular with his students and had a reputation for "relying on hype and PR" in his work (read: jealous colleagues). From the sound of it, he had the tenure odds stacked against him before he even made it to the hearing.
Of course, my impression from the interview was that it didn't seem like he cared too much about tenure anyway.
BTW - Hawley's PR and hype skills obviously suck - compare with Brian Greene. His research on String Theory has - by his own admission - no practical application and is impossible to conclusively prove. Meanwhile, he has two best-selling books and a PBS mini-series. Take note: that's how it's done.
For what it's worth, I'm a computer nerd and I could not care less how the mass media portrays me. Why should I? Why do you?
/.'ers have had the same problem. Us Computer Nerds - we get no respect, I tell yah! Well, if MrsVR's family won't listen to me, maybe CBS Sunday Morning can change their mind a little bit and they will ease up on me :)
A couple reasons come to mind:
1) I am a small man with a weak ego that needs validation from others. You seem to be a strong individual that doesn't need outside validation - good for you!
2) The media often portrays Computer nerds as social misfits with narrow interests. At worst, they are criminal virus writers out to destroy your computer. Unfortunately, most people in this country aren't strong individuals like yourself, and are easily swayed by these images.
Now speaking from personal experience, I've had managers tell me "you stick with your computer stuff, let me handle the marketing stuff" [or whatever]. When I try to tell them that I worked in marketing for three years, they don't want to hear any of it! In their minds, all I know is computers, period.
My point is: if "computer nerds" had a rep as being more well-rounded people - like, say, Doctors or Lawyers - it would make my professional and personal life a bit easier. Again, maybe you are one of those people who likes to "take on" the world - good for you, I guess.
3) Maybe one day being a Computer Nerd will be a career with prestige equal to Doctors/Lawyers/what-have-you. In case you haven't heard, colleges are having a hard time getting students to even consider Computer Science degrees. Less students, less technical innovation, etc. etc. There are a lot of good articles on this problem out there.
On the otherhand, if our profession were to increase in prestige, we could see equal higher salaries, better job security, more easily formed social connections and increased life-satisfaction. If you don't see the inherit value in that, then I don't think there's really anything for us to talk about on the subject. (Maybe you live in someone's basement and don't have to deal with these issues?)
4) My wife's family is always bitching to her about how I'm not a doctor. No doubt a few other
5) Wouldn't the world be a better place if we had more people like Hawley blah blah blah etc someone else covered this in this thread, I ain't gonna beat a dead horse.
Anyway, ask a question, get an answer