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Kazaa Going to Court
msim writes "According to the The Sydney Morning Herald" Kazaa will be going to court after their appeal to the Federal Court was dismissed. The case will be going ahead on March 23rd"
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"It's time for Kazaa to stop using delaying tactics and face the music."
Oh please! Enough with the cheesy quotes already! It's almost as bad as the RIAA saying "Oops I did it again" after attempting to sue yet another innocent victim.
will I be able to download the transcripts of these hearings on Kazaa?
I thought they lived there.
You can no longer download Kazaa, but the network seems fine. You can still download songs etc...
When anger rises, think of the consequences.
Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC)
More like facing the Disk industry am I right?
I predicted that kazaa would die in 2003, and though it didn't happen, we can be pretty sure that it will sooner or later.
Perhaps we need a legitimate kazaa? An Itunes-alike that not only sells music, but also software?
Sooner or later all file swapping will have to get around this
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I don't use Kazaa. I was one of the kids fined for downloading music off the internet, and guess what, I still am going to do it. In all seriousness.. I don't see how the RIAA can sue everyone, and besides for them to catch users of Kazaa, don't they have to use Kazaa themselves?
Maybe the attitude of companies to P2P will change when they see the commercial advantages like Lindows have
My operat~1 system unders~1 long filena~1 , does yours?
If the RIAA makes it up to 10 lawsuits against providers of free downloadable music, my bookie is going to be pissed, he gave me 10-1 odds that it won't happen and I put $100 on the line! GO RIAA GO!!! (Yeah I know, that sounds evil, that's why I like it!)
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Federal Court Justice Murray Wilcox dismissed an application by the world's largest file sharing network to delay proceedings against it until a similar case in the United States was finalised.
This has got to be kind of tough. So Kazaa has to defend themselves against two recording industry associations simultaneously? I wonder if there was any agreement between the RIAA and the Australian counterpart to hit Kazaa at the same time. Hopefully Kazaa can use some of the work for one case in the other but still that's not too much fun to have to fight a two-front war. That takes resources and I wonder if Kazaa has enough to hold their own.
GMD
watch this
It'll certainly take an eternity to get all the silicon out of my eardrumes.
Man the summary here is just a few lines short of the original article! One day this WILL happen and everyone who posts really would have RTFA!
Sehr geehrter Toilettenbenutzer!
Every Simpson's watcher knows that the most extreme punishment Austraila can dole out is "just a little kick in the bum"!
The USA goverment could put a new tax to virgin CD's . This tax goes for the Music industry. As for MP3 players, they should work only in the way the IPOD does with licensed downloads. Cheers! Luck get a free knoppix CD at loadux.com
Site already slashdotted, some other news about the same subject:
Here and here
PS: The second link is heavier and probably will go down soon.
Even if kazaa goes down, there is no way in the world that they are going to eliminate p2p. They live in a world of red tape and formalities. We just find ways to go around the system, and therefore, we're always a step ahead of them. Networks start blocking ports in schools and offices, we simply change the port we get it through (at least that's what we do at our school in our dorms) The RIAA starts tracking p2p transactions, we set up massive networks based on ant behavior (e.g. MUTE p2p). They take down one major p2p client, we'll set up 10 more. I think Pepsi and iTunes got it right in their commericial... "We're going to keep downloading music for free whether you like it or not..."
Does anyone know if Australia is referencing TRIPS (trade-related aspects of intellectual property) in their case?
Jax
And a massive loss for zit-faced Slashdot nerds who want to steal things for free
It is technically, legally, and morally impossible to steal a thing using KazAa or any other p2p software.
And that's exactly the problem, the latest CD I bought says on the cover something like : Copyright(C) 2004 $RECORDLABEL instead of Copyright(C) 2004 $ARTIST.
They are always babbling about the artist not getting paid bla bla, while their only concern is their own bank account.
The fact is, tools like KaZaa have shown we don't need record companies anymore, and it has them scared shitless.
Regarding the artists not getting paid and this whining about how it 'hurts' music: there is no need to pay them for download music, for several reasons.
Its a bug numbers game and we win. They may have millions of dollars but they simply can not come after everybody and just as PeaceTank said it, they shut one down, we open 10 more. Warez networks have been up for years and they havn't all been shut down, music has many more users. Good luck but RIAA you are fighting a loosing battle, wake up, try something new.
Burn Bright or Fade Away
Kazaa fails to stall copyright case
March 4, 2004 - 6:05PM
Internet music company Kazaa has failed in its attempt to delay proceedings for alleged copyright breaches brought by the Australian record industry.
Federal Court Justice Murray Wilcox dismissed an application by the world's largest file sharing network to delay proceedings against it until a similar case in the United States was finalised.
Music Industry Piracy Investigation (MIPI), which is owned by Universal, Festival Mushroom Records, EMI Music, Sony Music, Warner Music Australia and BMG Australia, raided 12 premises on February 6 this year to collect evidence against Kazaa. MIPI general manager Michael Speck said the decision to allow proceedings to go ahead against Sharman Networks, Kazaa's owner in Australia, was a win for the record industry.
"This represents a massive victory for the copyright owners," he said outside the court.
"It's time for Kazaa to stop using delaying tactics and face the music."
The matter was adjourned until March 23.
Jay | http://oldos.org
do believe that it is almost impossible to take the gnutella network down.
Many problems have been identified with the legacy Gnutella network. For example there is ample research indicating that it cannot scale or that it uses too much overhead. But perhaps more importantly it lacks a clear set of network standards, which has led to a network of unequal clients and abusive behaviour, to the point that one client can consume 80% of the resources on the entire network!
Wonder if I can download any bootleg court transcripts...
A retelling of a story based on memory (which means some 'facts' may actually be wrong)
Once there was a mighty napster whose technology allowed for swapping files. Due to poor insight, the technology also allowed users to be tracked -- Fanning be damned.
Along came the peer to peer networks, with gnutella seeming to be the frontrunner. Then came the FastTrack network with Sharman in the back and the mighty Morpheus at the helm due to its ease of use and improved reliability.
The Kazaa folks (Sharman) did not take kindly to Morpheus apparently not paying their bills or whatnot, and thus cut them off the network. Alarm bells should have immediately rung as anyone who has the power to cut clients off a network clearly cannot be "anonymously" peer-to-peer to begin with.
Morpheus ran to the gnutella networks, gathering up Gnucleus code and branding it. By branding, of course, I mean the trend in p2p software of installing various products, some of which amount to adware and/or spyware.
Kazaa touts itself the survivor, gathering up more Morpheus users than either bearshare or limewire or [insert gnutella client here].
Kazaa seen as the filesharing client for the masses and now holds major scrutiny by the recording industry. More p2p networks pop up promising better anonymity.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
If would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
The music industry is still using the Luddite network distribution of redundant labor. They still put music on archaic plastic disks and hire guys to truck them out to music stores, and then expect consumers to drive out to these stores, pay 15 bucks, then drive home only to find there's only one song they like on the whole CD.
When this business model fails, they start suing everyone.
But there is something each and every one of us can do today to stop this : Use gunutella, share everything you have.
Eventually the music industry will realize the error of their ways.
Read the stuff over at Magnatune...the average musician makes like $1500 a year or so on their record sales. The rest they make up in performances. Not to mention that music existed long before the RIAA got its strangle-hold on it, and will exist long after the RIAA is dead and buried.
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Speaking from a musicians point of view, I cannot understand why the record companies havent used file-sharing , and other internet technologies. Every single illegally downloaded mp3, could be turned into a marketing advantage.
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Plus, it would give record companies a lot more control over content than they have now.
MP3's should be treated like radio broadcasts, one should have to get a license in order to share the files. Its up to companies to find out how to generate the revenue streams, either charge for downloads, or provide other subscription based benefits that traditional P2P systems dont currently provide. All that is needed is a better product, and by that I dont mean better artists (but that wouldnt be a bad idea) I mean that they should provide a service that pisses all over everything else.
My personal belief is that these days the way to make real money is through real physical products, not through arbitrary file formats such as ogg or mp3. Through not just CD sales, but from the T-Shirts, the posters, the ticket sales for gigs, subscriptions to fanzines etc.
I am truly surprised that the record companies have not yet realised that instead of turning every 12yr old, boy-band lovin' girl downloading the latest cheesy pop number into a criminal. They should try concentrating on selling more Merchandise.
Record companies should also realise that its the "Proper" bands, who write their own tunes, who innovate and create their own boundaries, that are the ones that are going to be more than a novelty or fad. They are also the ones who will sell more tickets for gigs, and at those gigs people will buy merchandise.
Yep, and it wouldnt be a bad idea not to screw the real artists over when it comes to royalties either. And while im ranting, for gods sake, lets see the end of these dreadful "Pop-Idol" TV shows !
On that note , If you want some free, legal MP3's from an original band.. Please click my sig and download at will, and please god! try not to slashdot my humble computer
Nick
Electronic Music Made Using Linux http://soundcloud.com/polyp
you are both wrong.
-ashot
So, if Kazaa loses this... do you really think the music industry is going to get more CD buyers? Probably not. It seems to me that the reason most people even download music from Kazaa is because they want to see what other music is on a CD before they buy it. At least there are a few more alternatives now such as Apple's iTunes or some other internet sites. Maybe if the rest of the music industry would wake up and smell the modern age, there wouldn't have to be things like Kazaa to cause them to panic.
I am really tired of people trying to bring down Kazaa P2P since it allows people to download free music.
I have NEVER heard people trying to bring down any P2P due to distributing too much porn.
Why don't people come out of the closet to protect the porn industry.
On 8 February 2004, in Washington D.C., Trade Minister Mark Vaile concluded an agreed text for the Australia-United States Free Trade Agreement with his US counterpart, Trade Representative Bob Zoellick. These means Australia will take on IP standards much like the US.
Jax
Kazza provided a utility for sharing files. Some users chose to use the provided tool illegally. If Kazza designed a tool that could only be used to conduct illegal activities, or if Kazza designed the tool specifically to conduct illegal activities, I would understand. Should we make web browsers and servers illegal because I could host a webpage that provides hyperlinks to illegal content that gives a user with a web browser the ability to download copyrighted materials illegally? This seems like a concept that a child could understand. What am I missing?
- Have you ever noticed that the more you learn about technology, the more stupid you sound trying to explain it?