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From a reader: "The guys over at thebroken have put together a fun hacking videozine ( .torrent here ). This episode covers Windows password hacking, destroying your hard drive with 3,000 degree molten iron, console modding, and an interview with Kevin Mitnick. Think "The Man Show" meets computers. Divx Required. "

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  1. Bandwidth Usage here we come! by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Funny

    OMG -- a real live bittorrent related to a frontpage /. article. Now not only can I do my part to cause the /. effect -- I can help enable others to do the same using my own bandwidth!

    Who knew the paid subscription would come in handy afterall? I've already got 50% of it. I'll be sharing this puppy for the next few days :) God, I love the Internet.

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    1. Re:Bandwidth Usage here we come! by spaceman+harris · · Score: 3, Funny

      This must set the record for the largest file ever linked to on Slashdot.

      156 megs! I used to have a hard drive that size.

    2. Re:Bandwidth Usage here we come! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Go to the BT site and RTFM. People are continually downloading the small parts you do have, and thus they can be downloaded over and over again as needed by millions of other people.

    3. Re:Bandwidth Usage here we come! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative



      The tracker for this file -- http://fpcat.homelinux.org:6969/ -- hosts some other .torrent's as well. The Freedom Downtime .torrent offered is even larger than the "thebroken" episode linked above.


  2. TSS by n9uxu8 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Useful site for those who didn't catch it first on the screensavers. DAve

  3. Just one question by spellraiser · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does Ramzi make an appearance?

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  4. 3000 Degree Molten Iron by kb0pin · · Score: 2, Funny

    I like the iron idea. I think I'll hop over to the local hardware store and grab some on the way home.

    1. Re:3000 Degree Molten Iron by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I like the iron idea. I think I'll hop over to the local hardware store and grab some on the way home.

      Depending upon where you live, you may be suprised to find trucks on the interstate hauling molten aluminum. There has been one accident to my knowledge, vaporizing the occupant of a car.

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    2. Re:3000 Degree Molten Iron by ValourX · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's the story.

      Didn't find any pictures though.

      -Jem
    3. Re:3000 Degree Molten Iron by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Informative
      I would think that that would'nt be a very efficient way of transporting/making alum. parts.

      WTF does there need to be 1300F molten metal on the interstate for?

      As it was explained to me, it's very efficient. Aluminum hauled in tankers moved between locations in only a few hours, thus saving having to build a facility for melting the aluminum. I knew there was an aluminum smelter near Toledo, OH, which frequently trucked molten aluminum up to Saginaw, MI.

      As much as it shocked me when I first learned they did this, it should be no less shocking than all those gasoline/petrol tankers you see on roads everywhere, which would turn you and your car into crispy critters just as efficiently.

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  5. BAH by Aliencow · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is as much "hacker" as Sum 41 is punk.

    1. Re:BAH by LordoftheFrings · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd have to disagree. For the average person, this is quite the hacking video. It's got windows password cracking, some hardware fun, and do you even KNOW who Kevin Mitnick is?

    2. Re:BAH by proj_2501 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you have done nothing except prove the parent's point.

    3. Re:BAH by Excen · · Score: 2, Funny

      but you have to remember who his audience typically is!

      The Fark.com crowd?

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    4. Re:BAH by ethx1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd have to disagree. For the average person, this is quite the hacking video. For the average hip hop fan, Sum41 is quite the punk band.

      The parent post said it perfectly. You have only made his/her point.

    5. Re:BAH by Mr.+McGibby · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Could we PLEASE not start a hacker pissing war here? Because that is exactly what your comment is gonna do.

      "I'm more leet than you are! Na na na na!"

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    6. Re:BAH by pompousjerk · · Score: 2, Informative

      Exactly. But this is show is so recockulously bad that it's funny.

      One of the tools they plug, though--Knoppix STD--is pretty damn cool.

    7. Re:BAH by edbarrett · · Score: 3, Funny

      I had 5 kids under the age of 10 dancing to the censored version of "Police Truck" in the opening of THPS1 this weekend. And it brought a tear to my eye.

      f33r m3.

  6. Spin-Off by Bs15 · · Score: 3, Funny

    These guys came from TechTV. Kinda like a spin-off show of the screen savers. What next? Leo LaPorte and Patrick Norton get their own spin-off?

    1. Re:Spin-Off by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While this has been plugged a few times on TSS on TechTV, I always got the feeling that it was not officially endorsed by TechTV.

      Exactly. This is more or less people from TechTV doing a show that TechTV rejected the concept of just for the fun of doing it. Dan answers the phones at TSS and does an occasional segment, Kevin Rose has just been promoted to co-host of TSS as Leo Laporte will be focusing his efforts on a revamped Call For Help show starting in a couple weeks. They're also working with some of their cameraman friends from TechTV.

      Even Mitnick has a TechTV connection. Darci Wood, Kevin's girlfriend used to be a contributor on TSS, and they met on the set. She left the show in order to move to L.A. to live with him.

    2. Re:Spin-Off by michael+path · · Score: 4, Funny

      Even Mitnick has a TechTV connection. Darci Wood, Kevin's girlfriend used to be a contributor on TSS, and they met on the set. She left the show in order to move to L.A. to live with him.

      Damn. Talk about Social Engineering.

    3. Re:Spin-Off by Str8Dog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now if we can get Kevin and Sara to quit kissing each others asses on the show, it might be a little more entertaining...

      I personally can't stand Leo and the combination of Pat and Kevin I think will be very fun to watch. Especially with Pats lowfi leanings and Kevins darkside tendancies...

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  7. Re:Just one question by cplater · · Score: 3, Funny

    It wouldn't be TheBroken without Ramzi! :)

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  8. You sure? by Moth7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And you say this on a community that lives off downloads of large files? Think linux iso for a second...

  9. Sure... by Otter · · Score: 5, Funny
    Think "The Man Show" meets computers.

    Not that I've watched it yet, but I'm guessing there's at least one aspect of The Man Show that's not going to appear in this video.

    Unless you count Mitnick's.

    1. Re:Sure... by kb0pin · · Score: 3, Funny

      What! No supermodels on trampolines! Some torrent this is.

    2. Re:Sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Unless you count Mitnick's.

      Hey, a B cup is a B cup.

    3. Re:Sure... by FortKnox · · Score: 3, Funny

      You want the man show meets computers? Try HaXXXor.com (Not safe for work).

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  10. Poor guys... by Universal+Nerd · · Score: 3, Informative

    Only one of the files are on BitTorrent, the other two are straight up downloads... I sense a server meltdown on the horizon.

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  11. If you have WinAMP by ajiva · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you have Winamp you can click on "TV" and watch this and many other shows, music videos, etc. The bitrates available range from 56k for modems, all the way to 1000k for broadband, and everywhere in between.

  12. Re:Divx only? by daserver · · Score: 4, Informative

    Install a free alternative like ffmpeg.

  13. Oh yeah! by tuxlove · · Score: 5, Funny

    Think "The Man Show" meets computers.

    Oh yeah! Can't wait to see those scantily clad computers!

    1. Re:Oh yeah! by Gudlyf · · Score: 5, Funny
      "Oh yeah! Can't wait to see those scantily clad computers!"

      Or CPU's bouncing on Trampolines!

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  14. Just like the Man Show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Except the bouncing jugs are on guys.

  15. Re:Divx only? by supergiovane · · Score: 5, Informative

    So download the bare codec for Windows, for example.

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  16. Easy fix by Brightest+Light · · Score: 4, Informative
    Oldversion.com

    Older versions of DivX don't have the spyware!

    1. Re:Easy fix by baudilus · · Score: 2, Funny

      haha I clicked that and was hit with the following message:

      SpyBot-S&D has blocked the download of "Avenue A, Inc."!

      I know one has nothing to do with the other but still struck me as ironic.

  17. It's a beautiful thing by fizban · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's interesting to see the torrent download rate gradually increase as more and more people start linking to the file from slashdot's site and get more and more of the file. Very cool. Isn't technology wonderful?

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  18. Bleh...... by Kenja · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Think "The Man Show" meets computers."

    and now we'll end our show, like we do every show, with geeks on trampolines.

    shudder......

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  19. Re:Poor guys... - Just Test Rats by Lord+Haha · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well consider them a test case to see if a direct link to the torrent on /. can stop a potential download... If it works it shows torrents will save /. websites, if not let the internet gods spare their server from the masses about to descend upon it.

  20. torrennts... by minus_273 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    hmm the bittorrent paper says that it does not scale beyond roughly 2000 users. Now, given the number of people who come to /. and the duration of the downloads, it would be interesting to see if the torrent really does die. I have seen the graphs of results going beyond 2600 and it looked prettly bad. Observing the torrent die may prove itself to be more interesting than

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    1. Re:torrennts... by Naffer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Take a look at http://a.scarywater.net/. They distribtute anime torrents and do so quite successfully with torrets involving thousands of peers. When a new Naruto episode comes out you can often see over 10,000 peers on a single torrent. Of course your computer won't connect to any more then 30 to 50, but the whole point is that everyone is somehow connected to everybody else and the files get around.

    2. Re:torrennts... by andrewm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, it has hit 1973 leechers and 381 seeds so far (2354)... and is still growing.

      I think in this case the only downside would be tracker death, but that's why there is the multi-tracker "announce-list" extension (though this torrent doesn't use it).

      There are lots of seeds (~20%), the file is relatively small (152.8MB), and the pieces are quite small (256KB).

      It is nice to see BitTorrent being used for what it was designed: leagal mass distribution.

  21. Mirror List by Novanix · · Score: 3, Informative

    From: http://forums.thebroken.org/index.php?showtopic=85 88 [FAST] http://homepage.mac.com/kevinrose/thebroken_3.avi Scire: http://www.sourcehack.com/thebroken.htm [Do not right click, you actually have to goto the page before downloading] mdubin: http://maxdubin.com/The_Broken_3.html [Do not right click, you actually have to goto the page before downloading] CypherXero: http://store.mywebdriver.com/cypherxero/vi...thebr oken_3.avi thebroken server: http://www.thebroken.org/episodes/03/thebroken_3.a vi spaceghost7200: http://www.ghostcorp.net/downloads/thebroken_3.avi giraphe: http://giraphe.com/thebroken_3.avi Lone: http://www.files.gam3on.com/thebroken_3.avi Irongeek: http://orangutan.ius.edu/thebroken/thebroken_3.avi

    1. Re:Mirror List by Novanix · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bah stupid html formatting:
      It is from: http://forums.thebroken.org/index.php?showtopic=85 88
      FAST]
      http://homepage.mac.com/kevinrose/thebr oken_3.avi

      Scire:
      http://www.sourcehack.com/thebroken.htm
      [Do not right click, you actually have to goto the page before downloading]

      mdubin:
      http://maxdubin.com/The_Broken_3.html
      [Do not right click, you actually have to goto the page before downloading]

      CypherXero:
      http://store.mywebdriver.com/cypher xero/vi...thebr oken_3.avi

      thebroken server:
      http://www.thebroken.org/episodes/03/theb roken_3.a vi

      spaceghost7200:
      http://www.ghostcorp.net/downlo ads/thebroken_3.avi

      giraphe:
      http://giraphe.com/thebroken_3.avi

      Lone:
      http://www.files.gam3on.com/thebroken_3.a vi

      Irongeek:
      http://orangutan.ius.edu/thebroken/th ebroken_3.avi

  22. Goddamnit! by GoNINzo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Now there are zero 100% completed people on this torrent because everyone is hitting 100% and disconnecting. This defeats the entire purpose of a torrent!

    At least do it for a half-hour after you've completed... that way someone else has a chance of finishing and covering for you after you leave!

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    1. Re:Goddamnit! by cheide · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately some ISPs are rather fascist about limits. I'd rather not exhaust my entire upload allowance for the month in a single day!

      I do try to let it run until I've uploaded at least the same amount as downloaded though.

    2. Re:Goddamnit! by Ninja+Programmer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This speaks to a weakness in the torrent architecture. If, instead, they did a random offset rotational down load (i.e., the download would start at an arbitrary offset, then return to the beginning for each user) then this would not be an issue.

  23. get over it by seven5 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It sounds like every one here is just too cool for theBroken. Get over yourselves and knock the chip off your shoulders.

  24. why bt and not archive.org? by akb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm curious why people prefer to do their own hosting of self made video files and not use archive.org. They have 500mbps of outgoing bandwidth and hundreds of terabytes of storage. Anyone can upload any amount of multimedia for hosting for free. They'll be around for quite a while longer than whatever rigged solution people come up with on their own.

    1. Re:why bt and not archive.org? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Slashdot would DESTROY 500mbits. Are you kidding?

    2. Re:why bt and not archive.org? by akb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They've been /.'d before and survived. The dot com millionaire financing the project has said he'll pay for as much bandwidth and storage as is needed.

      Another plus I forgot to mention is that they'll host any size file. So people upload DVD quality versions of their material and lower quality (mpeg4, vcd, modem quality) get generated automatically. Its nice, some people want to wait for the quality others want it fast.

    3. Re:why bt and not archive.org? by akb · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can upload movies to their Open Source Movies Collection. They have other sections for audio and texts. They don't have an images section, I don't think there's been a demand for it, but I think if there was interest they would do it.

  25. Divx Required?! by MukiMuki · · Score: 5, Informative

    Divx Required? Divx REQUIRED?

    No man, no.

    FFDShow : http://cutka.szm.sk/ffdshow/

    Can I hear a wassup?

  26. Re:Speak for yourself by jackbird · · Score: 5, Informative

    RTFM. You need to open up a port or two. No need to get hysterical.

  27. Re:watch the torrent go... by DarkMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just run a HTTP connection to the tracker. btshowmetainfo from the offical bt dist will give you the tracker URL: in this case http://fpcat.homelinux.org:6969/

    Stick that in a web browser, and ta-da! current stats report. I suspect that not all trackers support this, but this one does.

  28. FreeCache link by donutz · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you don't want to install BitTorrent, just download from here, courtesy of the Internet Archive.

  29. Re:All the same... by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wasn't it Aluminium with iron oxide? I thought it was a redox reaction.

  30. Torrents for first two episodes by sik0fewl · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was just taking a look at the torrent tracker info and it looks like their are now torrents up for episode 1 and episode 2.

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  31. Re:Speak for yourself by G27+Radio · · Score: 2, Informative

    Download and install Azureus. Forward TCP port 6881 to the machine you will be downloading to (you can tell Azureus to listen on a different port if you don't like 6881.)

    With my cablemodem, setting the max uploads to 4 and the max upload speed to 16KB per second lets me attain speeds up to 400KB per second.

    These are good settings to start with, but you might be able to tweak it to get better speeds depending on your connection. A nice thing about Azureus is when you change your transfer settings they take immediate effect--no applying settings or restarting transfers required.

    If you don't forward a TCP port from your firewall it will still work, but you won't be able to connect to anyone else who doesn't have port forwarding on. Unfortunately, this drastically reduces the number of peers your client can download from.

    Under the server settings I have my override address set to my external IP address and my bind address set to the IP address of the machine I'm downloading to. Not sure if this is necessary, but it works great for me.

    YMMV.

  32. Re:oh god not him by samhart · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have to agree. The thing that really bugs me is that he's presenting this stuff like it's really new or unknown. Sure, it's unknown to some script-kiddie wannabe who thinks they are 1337 because they can bring up a DOS prompt in their WinXP, but if you are even the slightest bit experienced as a sysadmin, then nothing in this video should be news to you.

    *Yes, we know, LM password hashes (and authentication) are crap. If anyone is still using these in a modern network they deserve to have their networks owned.

    *Yes, we know, you can change/reset the password on any Win32 machine using the Linux-based password & registry editors. Well, you can also change the password on a Linux box, or any freaking machine using similar techniques. Once someone has physical access to your drive, you're pretty much screwed.

    Anyway, as I mentionned in another comment in this article, the video is for posers and script-kiddies. No serious systems or security person will find anything remotely interesting here. Hell, Kevin Mitnick would probably find the whole thing irritating if he were to see it as a whole.

    I guess it goes to show that the slashdot audience has changed over the years....

  33. Re:it's not thermite by thx2001r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And they're idiots. not only was their premise of "destroy your data" poorly thought out (it's a switch sticking out the side of the laptop, with no safety), but it also probably didn't even damage the hard drive platters.

    Dude,

    It's a joke! If you've seen the rest of the episodes with Ramzi (he's in all of them so far), any segments with him in it are a joke (as in on purpose to get a laugh or two).

    Also, the whole thing kinda mildly mixes (some) tech reality with humorous stereotypes of Hackers (the dudes drink beer throughout the whole show... every show). Most conversations I've had with "real hackers/geeks/anyonewithaclue" would probably make extremely boring tv (Not to say that it isn't possible (never say never) to have a good show with real hackers/geeks/anyonewithaclue, but imho, it is less likely).

    Since this is an unofficial spin-off of TechTV's "Dark Tips" with Kevin Rose (Kevin in TheBroken), they are instinctively trying to be entertaining (sparing those who just want a laugh from a seminar in hacking windows (not to mention, sparing themselves from DMCA implications of getting that specific... everything is kinda vague on purpose)). I suspect that most of their regular viewers are also regular TechTV viewers (and probably not "real" hackers (no matter how bizzarly spelled)).

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  34. Holy dorkage... by Majik+Sznak · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wholly entertaining! I could only take it in 5 minute intervals, though...

    It's hard to watch dorky white guys who think they're a) cool and b) black for more than a short stretch at a time. :)

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  35. Re:Speak for yourself by NineNine · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's why BT is so great. Paranoid and/or selfish people such as yourself either can't get the file at all, or it could take weeks to download what I can download in half an hour. Long live bit torrent!

  36. [OT] BitTorrent firewall question by Halo1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    These are my current BitTorrent stats:

    saving: thebroken_3.avi (152.9 MB)
    percent done: 26.2
    time left: 43 min 29 sec
    download to: thebroken_3.avi
    download rate: 56.86 kB/s
    upload rate: 73.17 kB/s
    download total: 40.1 MiB
    upload total: 73.5 MiB

    I have a public IP-address (I'm not behind a NAT gateway), but I'm behind a firewall that blocks any and all incoming connections (except to port 8080, where Apache is listening). I have full access to the outside however. Given this situation,

    a) How are other clients able to send upload requests at all? Do other clients send upload requests in the same TCP/IP connection where I'm downloading from them? When I look at the output of netstat, nobody is indeed connected to port 6881-6889 on my machine, but some connections have quite large Send-Q values.
    b) How come I'm getting such a low download rate while I'm uploading so much? Aren't those clients detecting that I'm uploading to them or so? (I have plenty of bandwidth left)

    I'm using BitTorrent 3.4.1a.

    FWIW: before this firewall was installed, I could easily get 100kb/sec upload, 300kb/sec downloads (and more). The firewall does not rate limit (normal downloads actually go a lot faster than before, because our outside connection was upgraded at the same time).

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  37. Re:homies by Jediman1138 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Yeah, it pissed me off at first too..Not because it "diminishes the fact that these are two guys with some pretty amazing technical skills", but because I like rock...

    Let em put whatever they want on the show, because it is their show..If you want somethin changed, you either pay for the damn costs of hosting, production, etc, or quit bitchin about it and STFU. This was a great show and I found it very entertaining. Keep it up, guys.

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  38. And is highly illegal... by Phil+John · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...since it contains cracked copies of paid for software...thanks, but no thanks. The free version of divx (read the basic version, not the free adware supported pro version) is fine for anyone who just wants to view videos, its only when it comes to actually encoding them that the paid for codec comes into its own (being faster).

    Link to FREE basic codec, no spyware in this one.

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  39. Re:oh god not him by Glamdrlng · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I guess it goes to show that the slashdot audience has changed over the years....

    Actually, after looking through the moderated comments, most of them are discussing the way .tor's work or alternative means of hosting video content, or they're echoing a sentiment similar to yours. I'm sure browsing thorugh at 0 or -1 will show the usual smothering of fr1st p0ts as well as the d00d +|-|15 \/1d30 15 t3h 7337!!!!! posts, but it seems to me that the /. moderating system is scaling with the numbers of such posts and keeping them modded down.

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  40. It's easier to tear something down than to build by severed · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm the guy that created HaXXXor, and it's very interesting because while reading through this thread, I hear a lot of the same things said about these guys' video that was said about mine. It make me wonder if someone has hacked a version of beagle to spam discussion on hacker videos... :-)

    But seriously, here's my opinion. I'd like to think it counts for something being a producer and all...

    There seems to be two types of people that comment on projects like The Broken, and HaXXXor, and 2600, et al.

    First there's the people who say, wow that's cool.

    To them, I say: Thank You.

    Then there's the people who act as those the presence of any material, whether it's a video, or a print magazine or whatever is a direct threat to their way of life. Then the screaming begins.

    It's not the type of thing a REAL SYSADMIN should care about, it's only worth reading if you're 15 (obviously doesn't apply to HaXXXor), it's stupid, why bother, and on and on and on.

    I don't really see why the negative points are really valid, besides from the obvious fact that freedom of speech means freedom of all speach. Once you get past the freedom of speech part though, it really doesn't pan out.

    First, it's a good thing that people are making videos and books and magazines talking about this sort of thing. While it may be old hat to some people, there's a lot of other people out there that haven't even heard of this stuff. So the next time that you want to lament the masses for their ignorance, remember the heaps of criticism that anyone who produces any material that might help a few more people who aren't as L33t as you to bridge the gap.

    Second, for the people out there who throw out the massively insightful, this is stupid and pointless, why bother, type of remarks. Just remember, a lot of really cool things have been created because someone spent a lot of time working endlessly on something that was considered pointless, and then an occassion would come up with something that proved to be useful.

    Here's the deal, just remember that there are people actually creating these things. There's a person on the other side of the video, or book, or magazine, or whatever, that's put a lot of time and work in to it. If you think you can do better, then pick up a camera and give it a shot. But if you've never even tried doing something like that before, then why don't you try to appreciate the work that was put in to it, and what was done right, before you rush to tear it apart.

    In this community, it is common that a program that still needs a whole lot of work gets gushed over, but the moment someone makes a video it's an instant target? You really should be supporting these efforts (or at least constructively criticizing them). It's hard enough to be a small independent producer. However, it's small independent producers that are the competition to Hollywood and the big television networks. Do you prefer them to be the only people who talk about hackers?

    Anyways, that's my take on it...

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  41. The broken free tshirts by bangular · · Score: 2, Funny

    I remember awhile back the prices for their tshirts were kept in a hidden form field and to get discounted tshirts all you had to do was save the html locally and change the hidden fields. I emailed them and apparently they didn't think it was a problem. Their server allowed zone transfers. Ran gobs of outdated exploitable daemons. Their bulletin board software contained quite a few sql injection exploits.

    Not getting into a hacker war, these guys really don't know what they are doing. Passing prices through hidden values? I think they use someone else's ecommerce software now, but before they were using cgi they wrote. That's seriously pathetic. They don't know very basic things related to security. They are the worst security site I've ever seen on the internet. Worse than happy hacker.

    War driving? This site should just slap 1337 speak all over their site right now and get it over with, because that's about the level site they are. Bugtraq, Securiteam, Packetstorm, Phrack, and the likes are quality security organizations. I can't say I'd put the broken in nearly the same league as them. I doubt they could smash anything for fun an profit.

  42. Re:It's easier to tear something down than to buil by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Eh - I'll take a swing at this one.

    First off, I'd like to thank you for your work and extend that thanks to thebroken. It's been entertaining. There would probably be a lot less vitriol about if people maintained the perspective of this being entertainment first. However, this leads in to my intial point...

    People lose their sense of entertainment when they are fed a constant stream of gross distortions of what they are familiar with. Keep in mind that you are following in the rather gigantic footsteps of Hollywood. And Hollywood has had a rather dismal track record when it comes to hackers (in any sense of the word).

    Quite a few years ago, I had a hobby-job at my local ISP covering the evening shift. We ended up with a couple young entry-level helpdesk techs to train. During one of the evening's training the movie Hackers was mentioned. Us seasoned techies classified the movie as a comedy (albiet unintentional). One of our young charges listed it as inspirational.

    Our young techie-in-training ended up following a continued pattern. She was really "in" to the "hacker scene". She liked the whole counter-culture / underground idea. She had her hair done in braids and wore counter-culture clothes. She had a certain facination with the concept of being feared by those outside her peer group. In short, she was all set to don the mantle of hacker as imaged by the movie Hackers.

    Except for when it came to technical ability.

    Our hacker-to-be had no real ability to pick up technical issues. Heck. She didn't even show any interest in actually learning more than the basics needed to do her job. She seemed to lack any resemblance of interest that would otherwise put her on a hacker's path.

    But she could dress the part. Or at least, the part as defined in Hackers.

    And this is likely the source of people's agrivation. Sure - this stuff is entertaining. But it is more often than not completely mistreated by Hollywood. And then to rub salt in to wound, one runs in to waves of wanna-bes that faithfully emulate that completely distorted image.

    I understand how that could grate on one's nerves. Heck. I've seen it first hand. But I don't get upset over this kind of stuff. Even now that I find Hackers a little less funny all things considered.