Slashdot Mirror


Always Look on the Bright Side of Life

Dolemite_the_Wiz writes "The BBC reports that Monty Python's 'Life of Brian' will be re-released, with the remaining Python troupe's full support, in US theaters next month. The Film's Distributor, Rainbow Film Company are marketing the film as an alternative to all the hype that Mel Gibson's film 'The Passion of the Christ' has generated. Trailers for the Film will begin running in theaters on Good Friday. Wait until Biggus Dickus hears about this!"

48 of 915 comments (clear)

  1. what have the romans ever done for us?? by xao+gypsie · · Score: 5, Funny

    .....They brought us the aqueducts....

    --


    xao
    http://TheHillforum.hopto.org
    1. Re:what have the romans ever done for us?? by REBloomfield · · Score: 4, Funny

      and the wine....

    2. Re:what have the romans ever done for us?? by banzai51 · · Score: 4, Funny

      ..and the roads. Those are pretty useful.

    3. Re:what have the romans ever done for us?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...exept for the aqueducts, wine, and roads, what have the romans ever done for us?

    4. Re:what have the romans ever done for us?? by EnderWiggnz · · Score: 4, Funny

      you know wha i love about pseudo-religious threads on slashdot?

      the idiots out themselves.

      sigh... yep - that historical character Noah was the first to make wine - whatever.

      its not like the entire flood story was a rip of the Gilgamesh legend.

      --
      ... hi bingo ...
    5. Re:what have the romans ever done for us?? by Punk+Walrus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Under what, look-and-feel? No, wait, that's altar boys. Never mind.

    6. Re:what have the romans ever done for us?? by zerocool^ · · Score: 4, Funny

      Brought peace?

      --
      sig?
    7. Re:what have the romans ever done for us?? by falzer · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sure, sure, but what have they done recently?

  2. I'm Not the Massiah, I'm Not the Massiah! by Yousef · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Only the Real Massiah would deny his divinity!"

    Gotta Love it!

    --
    -- "To ask a question is to show ignorance; Not to ask a question means you'll remain ignorant."
  3. Re:When it was originally released... by REBloomfield · · Score: 4, Informative
    "yes, i appreciate that you approached this with an open mind"

    best. quote. ever.

  4. Re:Re Re Re released by Anita+Coney · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have you ever seen a movie in a theater?! I have, it's a heck of a lot better than watching it at home. Thus, THAT'S the advantage of re-releasing a movie to the theater. We get a chance, or a second chance, to see a great movie on a large screen.

    --
    If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
  5. Cue 400 posts of everyone's favourite bits... by JosKarith · · Score: 5, Funny

    My personal favourite - Brian: "You are all individuals" Crowd: "We are all individuals my lord" Lone voice from the back: "No I'm not!"

    --
    'Don't worry' said the trees when they saw the axe coming, 'The handle is one of us.'
  6. Can...not ....resist.... by kindbud · · Score: 4, Funny

    We-wewease Bwian!!

    --
    Edith Keeler Must Die
  7. Re:Re Re Re released by sisco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are plenty of products on the market that prove that consumers do not act logically. Why else would people pay hundreds of dollars for a stuffed animal (a.k.a. beanie baby)???

    Or why do people trade most of their tax return in order to get credit to lease a car, that they will wind up paying wayyy more than what it is worth.

    Heck, I don't even make logical economical decisions all the time. Besides which, this offers the opportunity to go out and see it in the theatre... a potential good time with all your friends.

    anyway, point being... consumers aren't always logical.

    --
    DATA comments; PROC SORT DATA = comments BY score; PROC DELETE comments >> 1; RUN; DATA entertainment SET commen
  8. Re:When it was originally released... by jwthompson2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There will be lots of criticism from the likes of Pat Robertson and Falwell and the sort, but I, even as a southern baptist, appreciate this movie, considering it doesn't mock Christ as much as some might think...

    --
    Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree. -Martin Luther
  9. one of the best lines ever written.... by corporatewhore · · Score: 5, Funny

    is when John Cleese asks "How shall we f*ck off, Oh Lord ?"
    Serioulsy, this one line and its context says more about religion turning into dogma than anything else I can think of...

    --

    you think it's easy, but you're wrong...

  10. Re:W00T by mirko · · Score: 5, Funny

    'Trolles Eunt Domus' ?
    Somebody called the trolls they go the house ?
    What's that supposed to mean ?
    it means "Firstus postus".
    -no it doesn't ! it'd be "trolli ite domum"
    Now, write it out a hundred times. If it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off.

    --
    Trolling using another account since 2005.
  11. Monty Python by eXtro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    have always been the masters of irreverence. The silly and sometimes seemingly lame sketches have always just been a veneer over them thumbing their noses at God, Queen and Country, bureaucracy, castes and whatever else they thought deserved a bit of a dressing down. Satire was their means of writing an indignant letter to the editor.

    I know in Canada This Hour has 22 Minutes fills a similar role, what American comedy troups or performers do this in the U.S.?

    1. Re:Monty Python by pknoll · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Comedy Central's "The Daily Show" is decent political satire. "Tough Crowd" also does a mix of political and social commentary, but for me is a bit hot and cold.

      Social satire prgramming includes (but is certainly not limited to) shows like "The Chappelle Show", "South Park", "The Simpsons" (which is still one of the most subtle), and when it was still airing, "Futurama". It's interesting how many of these kinds of programs are animated. Is it easier to speak dangerous words when your face isn't on the screen?

    2. Re:Monty Python by Jerf · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's interesting how many of these kinds of programs are animated. Is it easier to speak dangerous words when your face isn't on the screen?

      It's more flexible, which the satire can take advantage of to the hilt. On one of the Family Guy DVD commentaries, they observed how impossible the show would have been in live action, prompted by the show where Peter goes from fat slob, to thin slob, to thin, buff man, back to fat man in the course of half an hour. (Obviously you can fatten up an actor artificially, but the other direction is too violent to use for a TV show, and you certainly couldn't get them back to fat in one show's taping time.)

      Cartoon Nixon on Futurama is funnier then the real thing or an actor playing Nixon could ever have been. (On one of the Futurama commentaries, Matt Groening says when he was a kid he always dreamed of doing something to make fun of Nixon; he never dreamt how successful Nixon-mocking would be 25 years later... ;-) )

      Yes, I listen to the commentaries. Best part sometimes.

  12. Grail schmail by sketi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Call me flamebait, but I always thought Life of Brian was the Pythons' best work. Highly underrated, IMO.

  13. Re:Can't wait, seriously can't wait. by REBloomfield · · Score: 5, Funny

    CENTURION:
    What's this, then? 'Romanes Eunt Domus'? 'People called Romanes they go the house'?
    BRIAN:
    It-- it says, 'Romans, go home'.
    CENTURION:
    No, it doesn't. What's Latin for 'Roman'? Come on!
    BRIAN: Aah!
    CENTURION: Come on!
    BRIAN: 'R-- Romanus'?
    CENTURION: Goes like...?
    BRIAN: 'Annus'?
    CENTURION: Vocative plural of 'annus' is...?
    BRIAN: Eh. 'Anni'?
    CENTURION: 'Romani'. 'Eunt'? What is 'eunt'?
    BRIAN: 'Go'. Let--
    CENTURION: Conjugate the verb 'to go'.
    BRIAN: Uh. 'Ire'. Uh, 'eo'. 'Is'. 'It'. 'Imus'. 'Itis'. 'Eunt'.
    CENTURION: So 'eunt' is...?
    BRIAN: Ah, huh, third person plural, uh, present indicative. Uh, 'they go'.
    CENTURION: But 'Romans, go home' is an order, so you must use the...?
    BRIAN: The... imperative!
    CENTURION:
    Which is...?
    BRIAN:
    Umm! Oh. Oh. Um, 'i'. 'I'!
    CENTURION:
    How many Romans?
    BRIAN:
    Ah! 'I'-- Plural. Plural. 'Ite'. 'Ite'.
    CENTURION:
    'Ite'.
    BRIAN:
    Ah. Eh.
    CENTURION:
    'Domus'?
    BRIAN:
    Eh.
    CENTURION:
    Nominative?
    BRIAN:
    Oh.
    CENTURION:
    'Go home'? This is motion towards. Isn't it, boy?
    BRIAN:
    Ah. Ah, dative, sir! Ahh! No, not dative! Not the dative, sir! No! Ah! Oh, the... accusative! Accusative! Ah! 'Domum', sir! 'Ad domum'! Ah! Oooh! Ah!
    CENTURION:
    Except that 'domus' takes the...?
    BRIAN:
    The locative, sir!
    CENTURION:
    Which is...?!
    BRIAN:
    'Domum'.
    CENTURION:
    'Domum'.
    BRIAN:
    Aaah! Ah.
    CENTURION:
    'Um'. Understand?
    BRIAN:
    Yes, sir.
    CENTURION:
    Now, write it out a hundred times.
    BRIAN:
    Yes, sir. Thank you, sir. Hail Caesar, sir.
    CENTURION:
    Hail Caesar. If it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off.

    Your comment violated the "postercomment" compression filter. Try less whitespace and/or less repetition. Comment aborted.
    stupid lamesness filter.grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

  14. People called Roman, they go towards the house? by Thedalek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a thinking Christian (Yes, such can and do exist), I never really had a problem with Life of Brian. It contains nothing which denies or detracts from the life and acts of Jesus, and accurately portrays the unthinking masses in a clever and thought provoking way.

    Really, the whole point of the film is that an awful lot of people believe things without fully thinking them through.

    --
    Happiness is relative, Based upon the way we live.
    1. Re:People called Roman, they go towards the house? by FiloEleven · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's obvious that the irony is understood, otherwise the inclusion of the parenthetical statement "Yes, such can and do exist" would have been omitted. It seems to me that you're the unthinking one in this exchange, as you've labelled the original poster as one of the many blindly believing masses when he clearly stated (and you quoted) that he wasn't. Or are you really so stupid as to believe that no Christians have reasoned through their faith and still have it?

    2. Re:People called Roman, they go towards the house? by Rostin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Until I see such logical proof of this or any other religion, I shall continue to label all followers as "blindly believing masses".

      Why are Christians (or any other religious people) obligated to prove to you that their beliefs are true before you concede the possibility that they are not all "blindly believing masses?" Why does my rationality (in your mind) depend on my ability to prove something to you?

      Let's say for the sake of argument that you are the only sighted person in a society of totally blind people. You try as hard as you can to explain to the blind people that there are such things as light and color, but the skeptics insist that you are being irrational, because your proofs are not convincing enough to overcome their inability to see. Leaving aside the whole issue of whether or not the blind people are being rational in denying the existence of color and light, are YOU being rational in affirming it? Does this suggest anything to you about the rationality of your blanket assertion of the irrationality of all religious people?

  15. Re:Jesus has risen from the dead and wants REVENGE by Chalybeous · · Score: 5, Funny

    Y'know, I think Jesus had one hell of a lag problem. It took him three days to re-spawn...

    --

    "It is dark. You are likely to be eaten by a grue." -- Zork

  16. Shoe or gourd? by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm so confused, with all these movies about Christ that are out now, should I be following the shoe? Or the gourd?

    --
    You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
  17. Blessed are the Slashdotters by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 4, Interesting
    marketing the film as an alternative to all the hype that Mel Gibson's film 'The Passion of the Christ' has generated.

    The thumpers finally get a film and someone has to get all opposition-like. Sheesh. Let the fairy-tale sucklers have their little MOOvie.

    ObBrian: The graffiti scene is one of the greatest scenes ever filmed in movie history.

    "People called Romanes they go the house?" :-)

    Would a Hollywood film ever have fun with Latin?

    No. In the Hollywood version, they'd have to have to words "bitch" and "ass" in the scene 50 times, and there would be at least one fart.

    --
    --- Ban humanity.
  18. Re:When it was originally released... by Mateito · · Score: 5, Interesting

    > considering it doesn't mock Christ as much as
    > some might think...

    With the exception of labelling Christ a "Bloody do-gooder", there is nothing againt him at all. He is shown first in the manger, then secondly giving the sermon on the mount.

    Who is does mock, however, are those factions within the church (and politics in general) who spend all their time bickering about inconsequencial differences rather than presenting a common front based on the 95% of their beliefs that co-incide.

    That's why some churches are dead against it.

    Still.. my favourite scene is the "romans go home" conjugation.

  19. Re:Can't wait, seriously can't wait. by R2.0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I first saw this movie in high school when I was taking latin, taught by a nun.

    I was the only one curled up in a tight little ball suffocating from my own laughter at the thought of Sister Perpetua threatening to cut my balls off if I missed a pop quiz,

    --
    "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
  20. Mel explicitly stated that he added Marianism... by leonbrooks · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ...in fact, he was surprised that Evangelical Christians were so happy about his movie, given its heavy Marianism.

    For reference, the two main Marian manuscripts cited are "The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ" by Anne Catherine Emmerich and "The Mystical City of God" by Saint Mary of Agreda.

    If Jesus was just a clever, wise or insightful man, his entire life was essentially wasted, and on top of that he is recorded as lying about his abilities. All of the serious documentation we have available from the time (and there's a surprising amount of it) indicates that he was considerably more than that. Jesus is better documented than any of the Caesars. There's also a heck of a lot of non-literate archaeological evidence which is very difficult to explain if the canonical record is not reliable.

    But in everyday life "we're all individuals" and will carry on believing what the majority tell us. "I'm not!"

    --
    Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
  21. An OOP question by los+furtive · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did Jesus extend God, or did he just implement a Goldlike interface?

    --

    I'm a writer, a poet, a genius, I know it. I don't buy software, I grow it.

    1. Re:An OOP question by happyfrogcow · · Score: 5, Funny

      what kind of crazy destructor would Jesus have? something that destroys him, but then calls a different constructor of his same type that casts him to a type Spirit from a type Messiah? Or would the destructor create a different instance of Jesus alltogether?

      weird wild stuff.

      'wolf nipple chips! get em while they're hot!'

    2. Re:An OOP question by pleumann · · Score: 5, Funny
      He can't be a descendant. God implements the Singleton pattern to ensure there are no duplicates of him. Since Singleton, if properly implemented (and I think we can surely assume that God's implementations are always flawless), also extends to subclasses, there could be no instance of Jesus, even if the class were declarable. So it may be best to assume that God is also a final class.



      I'd say Jesus uses the Proxy pattern to give people some sort of limited access to God by delegation. You could also see him as the stub object used to invoke a remote procedure call on God. Despite the seemingly matching name, Jesus does not implement the Visitor pattern. See the GOF book.



      Note that, even without Jesus, you can always initiate a client-server-communication with God bthrough a special form of message passing called "praying". Fun is, most people never get an acknowledge for the messages they've send, let alone a response.



      Very rarely people get messages from God without sending Him a message first. To do this, you need to implement the Prophet interface and register with God as an Observer.

  22. Re:When it was originally released... by PGillingwater · · Score: 5, Informative

    There were two "religious guys" -- the Anglican Bishop and Southwark and a well-known religious commentator, Malcolm Muggeridge.

    Note that the movie was originally funded in part by George Harrison -- good friend of Eric Idle, who stepped in when the original backers, EMI, pulled out.

    --
    Paul Gillingwater
    MBA, CISSP, CISM
  23. Re:Good idea !!! by Kris+Thalamus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Jesus had a father who was a god and a mother who was mortal, just like Hercules did. I think that Jesus should be considered a half-god like Hercules was. Hercules could probably beat Jesus in a fight- I mean, you couldn't kill Hercules just by nailing him to a wooden cross.

  24. Re:A bomb? What are you giving him a bomb for? by SRain315 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For those who can't wait, there's an interview with Eric Idle [RealPlayer Audio] from yesterday's "Which Way, L.A.?" program on KCRW. Apparently, the Pythons want to cash in on the furor over "Passion of the Christ." In the interview, Eric claims he's a "lapsed anti-Catholic" and an "Alzhimer's agnostic" - great stuff!

    --
    --- Corporations Are A Fad.
  25. My kids... by trentfoley · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have two boys, 9 and 6, that stumbled across my old Monty Python videotapes. I played "Holy Grail" for them and they were in stitches. I played "Life of Brian", and not suprisingly, the more sophisticated content was so over their heads that they didn't enjoy it. I played "Meaning of Life" and they were just plain confused, but laughing.

    Maybe after a few more years of Catholic school, my sons will appreciate the brilliance of "Life of Brian". For now, "Holy Grail" is the hit.

    The last time we watched it, my 9 year old son answered the question, "What is the capital of Assyria?". "Nineva, you dolt!" he exclaimed. He smiled and smugly looked up to me and said, "I googled it. I don't want to be blasted off of some bridge." That's my boy.

  26. Re:Re Re Re released by SamSpectre · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not sure if WANT to see Graham Chapman's full monty in larger than life size...

  27. Re:What about the Norwegians? by fluoronaut · · Score: 4, Informative
    According to this page (scroll about two thirds of the way down):
    This film was initially banned in Norway for blasphemy. It wasn't released there until 1980. Subsequently, it has been marketed in Sweden as "The film that is so funny that it was banned in Norway!"
    --
    Never buy a dwarf with learning difficulties. It's not big and it's not clever.
  28. Re:What have the Americans done for us ? by perly-king-69 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Electricity - Gray in the early 1700s?

    Telephone - Either Bell (British) or Meuci (Italian)

    Automobile - Karl Benz (German)

    High rise building - Quite tall, no?

    --

    --
    This sig is inoffensive.

  29. Wasn't the LOB really about radical politics? by 1iar_parad0x · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've always thought "The Life Of Brian" was a parody of the radical 60's political movement. Brian joined the Jewish underground because he's attracted to a girl, not because he really cares about politics. They plot meaningless proganda attacks against the Romans, and argue with splinter factions. I tought the aquaduct and "why can't men have babies" scenes where priceless.

    --
    What do you mean my sig is repetitive? What do you mean my sig is repetitive? What do you mean....
    1. Re:Wasn't the LOB really about radical politics? by nat5an · · Score: 4, Interesting
      It's also an awesome parody of the likely inconsequential origin of strongly held religious beliefs. Like when Brian is running away from his "disciples" and he loses his sandal, and the crowd immediately begins arguing over whether it means they need to take off their sandal to be like him, or whether it means to ignore the things of the body and concentrate on the face and head, etc. Then they immediately split into two sects, one which follows the "Holy Gourd of Jerusalem" and the other which follows the sandal.

      Oh, it's just brilliant. :-)

      --
      Head down, go to sleep to the rhythm of the war drums...
  30. Now, a spoof of Islam by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting
    We need a good spoof of Islam, to be beamed at the Islamic world. They need to lighten up.

    Mohammed's life makes a great comedy. He married an older women for money. He became a used camel dealer. He had a favorite slave girl, Zaid. Then he went into religion around age 40. For years, he was considered a nutcase. Somehow, he and his followers managed to take over Medina, after which he started invading and conquering neighboring countries.

    Visualize the Python version of that. It would drive the Islamic world nuts. But it would be worth it. Make sure it gets on satellite TV and file-sharing networks, so Arab kids see it. In most of the Islamic world, kids are forced to OD on religion, because the religious types run the schools. It's like the Dark Ages in Europe.

    The last major film about Islam, Mohammed, Messenger of God, was way too respectful. It doesn't even show the face of Mohammed (played by Anthony Quinn), to respect Islamic tradition. The Saudis use it as a training film. It was pulled from US theaters in 1976 after threats from people we'd today call terrorists. Today, the US wouldn't back down.

  31. Re:Good idea !!! by The+Infamous+Grimace · · Score: 4, Informative

    Please try to bear in mind that the Bible is a translation from a dead language of mans interpretation of the word of God.

    Don't do what the Bible says. Don't necessarily believe what it claims Jesus said. Rather, try to live your life as the man lived his; with understanding and compassion for others (he spent a lot of time with prostitutes, thieves, lepers, etc), with respect for those of different faiths than his (remember, he was a Jew) and above all the knowledge that you don't have the right or authority to judge anyone, for only the Lord knows what's in your heart.

    (tig)

    --
    Ignorance and prejudice and fear
    Walk hand in hand
  32. Apologies to the Daily Show... by GPLDAN · · Score: 4, Funny

    Jon Stewart's joke from the Daily Show...

    "So, this week's box office reciepts show that 'Dawn of the Dead' has unseated 'Passion of the Christ' as the #1 movie in America. Lesson? One person rising from the dead...good. Lots of people rising from the dead...better."

  33. Get some of the facts straight first... by denzo · · Score: 4, Informative
    then you can make a parody. ;)

    1) Zaid was his adopted son (and one of his most devoted followers), not a slave girl.

    2) They did not take over Medina, but were invited to move there to escape the persecution of the Kuraish aristocrats who were in control of Mecca. The two major Jewish tribes of Medina were particularly interested in Mohammed (PBUH) to help mediate their disagreements. Sure, he kicked a bunch of them out of Medina after they conspired against him, but that's a different story.

    3) Anthony Quinn played the role of Hamzah "Lion of the Desert", Mohammed's uncle who converted to Islam. BTW, it not only doesn't portray Mohammed on the screen, but other important figures such as his best friend Abu Bakr, and his cousin Ali (to be the first and second Caliphs of Islam, respectively, after Mohammad's death). This belief also extends to all of the other Prophets, including Jesus and Moses. I don't believe this effect detracts at all from the film, on the contrary, I believe the film actually works better this way.

    4) The movie's title is actually "The Message". It's not only on the cover of the video in English, but also the Arabic "Ar-risallah" written on a flag in the artwork. Sidepoint: this movie was filmed both in English and Arabic separately, with different actors for each language (both with an impressive cast billing for their respective audience). I wish they released both versions on the DVD instead of just English.

    5) As far as I know, "The Message" was banned in various Arab countries, especially Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. I don't know if this still is the case. Despite its carefulness in respecting beliefs of the most conservative Muslims, it apparantly wasn't enough.

  34. Except that sight can be proven by ttfkam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sighted person: Okay, stand right where you are.
    Blind skeptic: Why?
    SP: I'm going to take ten paces away from you.
    BS: Okay.
    SP: Now hold up one of your hands. Aha! You just raised your left hand.
    BS: What about now?
    SP: It's still your left hand.
    BS: How did you know that?
    SP: I can see.

    Now have the sighted person get four items, each a different color, and hand them out. The items should have the same size, shape and texture. Have the sighted person identify each item to the person holding it. Have the sighted person occupied by a fifth volunteer so that the activites of the first four are hidden from sight. The first four will now trade with each other, whispering the color the sighted person attributed to the item he/she held. The sighted person is brought back into view and questioned about the items again. Repeat with a new group of blind volunteers. Assuming the blind are honest, this would provide proof. It's called "The Scientific Method."

    On the other hand, the proofs I hear from theists include

    1. I know God exists because I can feel his presence
    2. Something amazingly good happened to me when it should have been bad
    3. If God doesn't exist, how do you explain this world we live in?
    4. 95% of the people in the world believe in a supreme being. What makes you right and everyone else wrong?
    5. I see God's work everywhere
    6. The Bible/Koran/Torah

    Responses:

    1. Ever been camping and notice some insect or spider crawling on your leg? Or rather, you thought there was something crawling on your leg but when you looked and swatted, nothing was there. Our senses are fallible. The only way to know for sure would be to see the bug -- something observable that others can observe as well.
    2. Yes, the NFL wide receiver argument. "I want to thank God for giving me the ability to make that touchdown..." Yet we never hear, "We were kicking the other team's ass when Jesus suddenly decided to make me fumble three times." Good people win the lottery. Bad people win the lottery. Good people survive car accidents. Bad people survive car accidents. What makes you, the God-fearing Christian, more special than the other God-fearing Christian who is now hamburger in their smashed up Toyota Celica?
    3. If the Giant Burnt Umber Crayon didn't throw a rave one hundred years ago in Grand Central Station, how do you explain the world? Same argument, different subject. It begs the question. Your conclusion is the same as one of your premises.
    4. Fallacy of argumentum ad populum. "Nature abhors a vacuum." At one time, it was accepted by most. Popular agreement is not the same as proof. All things considered, it was a good theory at the time. It is still wrong.
    5. I see the same world as you, but with no god in it. Once again, begging the question. God exists. The world is a product of God. The world exists. Therefore God exists. Take away the first premise and the argument falls apart.
    6. Giant Burnt Umber Crayon

    I know that I will hear noise about "strawman." Fair enough. Provide proof and we'll be done with it. If you can't provide proof, God is as likely to exist as the Giant Burnt Umber Crayon.

    You are free to believe what you will. But unless you can demonstrate it to others, don't be indignant when others point and laugh at you when you proclaim it as truth. Don't want pointing and laughter, keep it to yourself or prove it.

    --

    - I don't need to go outside, my CRT tan'll do me just fine.