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NEC Develops Linux Tablet/PDA Hybrid

zmcnulty writes "I've translated today's PC Watch article (Japanese) about a new tablet/PDA device from NEC - it has an 8.4" (640x480) touchscreen LCD, and a CD-ROM drive. It's also suprisingly affordable; about $645 USD. However, don't expect to be able to buy one soon, as production is limited to only 4,000 units for the first year. Still, this is an interesting prospect, and it's good to see major Japanese corporations interested in Linux."

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  1. Handheld Linux by brolewis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Being an avid handheld user (T3) I think that Linux on the handheld is a largely untapped medium. I think that the power and flexibility of Linux on something as small and effecient as a handheld is an excellent combinaiton. I also think that the open nature of Linux would work to the handheld's advantage. There are numerous times I wish I could tweak settings or applicaions on my handheld but I am not able to do so. I hope this is the beginning of a long-term shift in the handheld market.

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    1. Re:Handheld Linux by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 3, Funny

      Being an avid (insert random technology here), I think Linux on the (insert random hardware plaform here) is a largely untapped medium. I think that the power and flexibility of Linux on something as small and effecient as a (insert random hardware plaform here) is an excellent combinaiton. I also think that the open nature of Linux would work to the (insert random hardware plaform here) advantage. There are numerous times I wish I could tweak settings or applicaions on my (insert random hardware plaform here) but I am not able to do so. I hope this is the beginning of a long-term shift in the (insert random hardware plaform here) market.

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    2. Re:Handheld Linux by amigoro · · Score: 1

      >Being an avid handheld user (T3) I think that Linux on the handheld is a largely untapped medium. Pray, do explain why you think it is a largely untapped medium. Don't you think that if there was commercial potential, it would've been tapped a long time ago? >I think that the power and flexibility of Linux on something as small and effecient as a handheld is an excellent combinaiton. Why do you think that? Do you do the same things you do on a PDA that you do on a PC? Do you need all the raw power and flexibility of Linux on a handheld? Wouldn't it be fair to say you have to use a different paradigm when it come working with a handheld? >I also think that the open nature of Linux would work to the handheld's advantage. How? Elaborate please. Provide us with concrete examples. >There are numerous times I wish I could tweak settings or applicaions on my handheld but I am not able to do so. Do you really need Linux for that? >I hope this is the beginning of a long-term shift in the handheld market. So once they start running Linux, everything will be A-okay?

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    3. Re:Handheld Linux by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Insightful

      heheh. yeah especially when 'it runs linux' is not really the answer to everything on handheld systems with environment as limited as the manufacturer has chosen.. the question is: "will the programs of my choosing be able to run on it?" not "does it run linux underneath somewhere where I can't see?"

      I dont really care that much about if it runs linux/windowsCe/symbian/palmos as much I care about the ability to compile stuff that will run on it. just because 'it runs linux' doesn't mean it. a machine running linux can be quite effectively(as effectively as it matters) locked up from (unsigned or just from anything at all) 3rd party applications. Something people who are raving about 'it runs linux' phones & etc seem to be often forgetting.

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    4. Re:Handheld Linux by Abreu · · Score: 1

      And this is still modded insightful!

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    5. Re:Handheld Linux by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "I think that the power and flexibility of Linux on something as small and effecient as a handheld is an excellent combinaiton."

      Without a keyboard? Oh I don't think so.

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    6. Re:Handheld Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least is't not as LAME ar your post. LAME! JuSt FuCkInG LaMe. WAY LAME, BeYoND ThE PeAk Of LaMeNeSs.

    7. Re:Handheld Linux by Judebert · · Score: 1

      I thought so too. Then I bought a Zaurus. It was beautiful for carrying around browsing, documents, pictures, games... but lousy for actual PDA software. The Sharp stuff was too simplistic, and the Linux stuff wouldn't run my 5+ years of data in the limited resources.

      It was so bad I started writing a calendar/todo application for it, but my wife bought me a Clie before I finished, then washed the Z. The market is so small I didn't have any other incentive to finish it.

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  2. Tablets by The_Mystic_For_Real · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's good to see the idea that failed for Windows adopted by the Linux community.

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    1. Re:Tablets by dealsites · · Score: 1

      Yep. The site is slashdotted now so I can't really see how big this think is. I'm not quire sure I'd want to carry something around if it was bigger than a normal PDA.

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    2. Re:Tablets by ToadMan8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wouldn't say failed... I am a Gentoo desktop user but I am writing this to you during class from my Compaq tablet running XP Tablet. Ony M$ft bothered getting the buttons, screen rotation and extras working and it does quite well. Just because they didn't replace laptops doesn't make them a failure.

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    3. Re:Tablets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who said tablet pc or pocket pc had failed, well except a slashdot monkey. Linux's base is copying others, remember that Linux is not a new operating system, it is essentially Unix implemented freely, well maybe not (SCO). However overall Linux has to copy these technologies somehow, but it looks unlikely because these things are more complicated than writing a kernel where you can at least find one free open source implementation (like minix). So for Linux the solution might be to find a company which is pissed off at Microsoft (StarOffice from Sun, Mozilla from Netscape) to develop this technology and make it open source. I checked out the software out there and I frankly couldn't find it yet. So, I think the best strategy for Slashdot monkies is to bash Microsoft and these technologies and attack everybody who is using it, maybe a DDoS attack to their web sites or boycotting? Another solution could be somehow steal the code from Microsoft or that pressure Europe to force Microsoft to open source its tablet pc technology. Overall, there is plenty of things to do for slashdot monkies. You can pick any of them, the best solution seem to be to bash Microsoft, however there is always spending time to develop the technology yourself, but slashdot monkies wouldn't be monkey if they were actual real software developers.

    4. Re:Tablets by hak1du · · Score: 3, Interesting

      At $2000 with a 3h battery life and 6 pounds of weight, TabletPC is a loser. At $650 with a 6h battery life and 3 pounds of weight, it could be a winner (this device has a 2h battery life and weighs 2 pounds; they should increase the battery capacity--they have the spare weight to do it).

    5. Re:Tablets by ibbey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not quire sure I'd want to carry something around if it was bigger than a normal PDA.

      But you're not the target market. You're problem is that you are only seeing the way you would use it.

      There are numerous people/industries who'd love something a bit more potent then a PDA, but don't need a full laptop. There are many similar products on the market already, and they do very well. They just aren't sold at retail. They are sold to vertical markets, often with custom software, and are usually sold at a substantial profit margin. If the price point is correct, and the features are reasonable, this will do well.

      Personally, I'd buy one of these right now if they were available. This would make the ideal car-pc. While that might not be a big enough market to sustain the production for a long period, I'm willing to bet that they could easily sell 4000 units a year.

      Another potential market: Replacing portable DVD players (judging from the number on the market, this seems like a reasonable market segment to aim for). This is no bigger, not much more expensive, and can be used for something other then playing DVDs. The article only mentions a cd player, but if they offer a DVD, that could be it's killer app.

    6. Re:Tablets by OsCarJ · · Score: 1

      I would like to see someone build a tablet that runs completely over WiFi. Why waste battery life and weight cramming in a hard drive, cd-rom, huge processor, etc when wireless networks are cheap and ubiquitous.

      Have a real computer somewhere run a small server app and handle the storage and let the tablet be just a dumb terminal. You would save weight and the batteries would last a whole day. Why the hell do I need a Pentium 4 processor in something that is basically just going to be used for display?

      I wouldn't even mind if the server software only ran on Windows because I know it would only be a matter of time before someone made an open source version.

    7. Re:Tablets by LoudMusic · · Score: 1

      It's good to see the idea that failed for Windows adopted by the Linux community.

      I wouldn't say it failed. It just wasn't properly constructed. Tablets need to be true tablets. I don't need a keyboard, CD-Rom, floppy, hard drive, 64mb video (!!) and track pad on my tablet. I need a screen that uses a pen-tool, a phat wireless connection, and some good video with a low power processor. Make the screen 8.5" x 11" and 150dpi and you've got something.

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    8. Re:Tablets by mtnharo · · Score: 2, Informative
      MS tried something similar, but ended up with a poor execution. It was pretty much a remote display for a desktop that used the XP Pro Remote Desktop function. Due to their insistance that you need a license for each person using a machine, you could only use the tablet display or a regular monitor, but not both at the same time. Also, you couldn't do anything involving video or animation over it because the remote desktop protocol couldn't keep up.

      The only way to make something like this work is to use the "server" machine for storage and extra cpu power, but most everything would still have to run locally on the tablet display in order to make it usable for real computing. It wouldn't need a P4, but something strong enough for basic use, geared for power efficiency (Transmeta or VIA chip maybe). It would save power/weight by not having a built-in HD or other drives. Some usb ports and SD/CF slots would cover storage, and the base system could load off of internal flash.

      Well, whose going to build it first? It's basically a Network Computer like Sun always envisioned, but portable. Why hasn't it happened yet?

  3. Re:Stupid M$ "Innovation" by irokitt · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I agree, the idea of a tablet PC is rather moronic whatever the operating system.
    As for sucking battery life, wonder if anyone will start making tablets with Transmeta processors. Might save some juice. But even that wouldn't make the idea very attractive to me.

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  4. only 640x480? by ejaw5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure 8.4" diag isn't large, but at least 800x600 would have been nicer. What they have is fine for your command prompt, but I'm sure it's gonna get pretty cramped once you start running Gnome/KDE and GUI apps..even with virtual desktops. Hopefully the included GUI software will have slimed-down/iconified buttons and such.

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    1. Re:only 640x480? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe if GNOME and KDE weren't absolutely horrible desktop interfaces, they could run correctly in any resolution. OS X and Longhorn are vector-scalable. Y-Windows is too. KDE is too busy ripping off Windows, and GNOME is busy ripping off Mac's old Finder.

    2. Re:only 640x480? by Flamingcheeze · · Score: 1
      Hopefully the included GUI software will have slimed-down/iconified buttons and such.

      Hey, buddy... keep your slime off my buttons!

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    3. Re:only 640x480? by davejenkins · · Score: 4, Informative

      I would have to agree with this assessment, and add that JPY 68,000 is a lot to pay for something like this, especially when compared to the Sharp Zaurus C-760 PDA, which also "runs Linux", has 640x480, is Flash upgradable to a full open OS, and retails for JPY 45,000 (~$420).

      The only thing this has going for it is the 8-inch screen, which is not so much of an advantage if it cannot fit in your pocket, and therefore must be treated like a full notebook PC.

    4. Re:only 640x480? by jc42 · · Score: 1

      The only thing this has going for it is the 8-inch screen, which is not so much of an advantage if it cannot fit in your pocket, and therefore must be treated like a full notebook PC.

      Yeah; I remember back in the early days of the first Palm Pilots, when the original designer was quoted as saying "If it doesn't fit in your pocket, it won't be in your pocket."

      That seems to me to be a rather important point that PDA makers (including current Palm gadgets) keep forgetting.

      I have a couple-year-old Kyocera 6035 smartphone (PalmOS) that rides around in my pocket. I keep looking for something to come out that that's better. But they keep making them too big for my pocket.

      And, of course, now you'd expect them to have both GSM and WiFi capability. It sucks to have to rent temp phones when outside the US, and to have to use a slow phone circuit for web access, meaning two minutes to download the first web page (and getting charged full connect time when not sending any packets). If there's a PDA-like gadget available here in the US like that, I haven't spotted it yet.

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    5. Re:only 640x480? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Elitegroup for example has a tablet pc with 8.4" and 800x600 resolution.
      http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Products /ProductsDeta il.aspx?CategoryID=4&TypeID=23&DetailID=38 7

  5. *ring-ring*... by bonch · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...1998 is calling--it wants its "M$" back.

    You know that it's a stupid idea when Microsoft comes up with it.

    Just like:

    * Taskbars
    * Maximize, minimize, and close buttons in the upper-right corner.
    * The standard print dialog.
    * Internet browser/file browser integration.
    * "Start" menus
    * .NET technology
    * ...and much, much more

    Which as we all know are ideas never seen in the OSS community. Oh...wait.

    1. Re:*ring-ring*... by Trelane · · Score: 3, Informative
      ...1998 is calling--it wants its "M$" back.


      Actually, 1998 wants its Blue Screen of Death back. "M$" is a perennial favorite, esp. given MSFT's penchant for a) charging exorbitant prices for its stuff and b) making unheard-of fortunes (to the tune of $4 billion per quarter).

      Taskbars existed before Microsoft. They were in the form of icon collection boxes under various WMs (Window Managers).

      Minimize, maximize, and close button locations have varied widely, and are extremely configurable under Linux and are very arbitrary. The only "intuitiveness" about the location is where people have been programmed to look for 'em.

      Print dialogs are standardized to various things. Again, "intuitiveness" is (almost) entirely pre-programming.

      Browser file integration has existed before MSFT got involved (via the file:/// URL). MSFT upped the ante, though. Whether this is due to trying to crush the competition and dominate an important software sector or enhancing the end user desktop experience depends on whose kool-aid you drink.

      "Start" menus again are of dubious intuitiveness. Personally, I found the click-on-root-window-to-bring-up-menus method of various WMs to be much more useful. .Net is Java (and indeed the concept of "virtual machine") rehashed and refined and (in the case of most of what people consider ".Net") Microsoft-only. Not a terrible lot of actual innovation there.

      I'm not saying MSFT doesn't come up with interesting stuff, just that you need to come up with better examples. ;)

      One example I'm curious about is tear-away/docking toolbars. I know toolbars/palettes existed before MSFT, but I don't know if the tear-away/docking kind did. Anyone have more info?
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    2. Re:*ring-ring*... by zulux · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ahem...

      * Taskbars
      TRS-80 CoCo with Microware OS-9 had a Taskbar - in 1986
      * Maximize, minimize, and close buttons in the upper-right corner.
      My TRS-80 with Microware OS-9 has these. You could could configure them where you liked them. In 1986.
      * The standard print dialog.
      I'm impressed - Microsoft made a dialog.
      * Internet browser/file browser integration.
      Make your OS just as bugy as your browser. Great Idea!!!
      * "Start" menus
      Copied off of NeXT.
      * .NET technology -
      Copied off of Java and Pcode
      * ...and much, much more

      Like....

      Clippy!
      Product Activation!
      Serial Codes!
      No support for Alpha, Risc, PowerPC.

      The only thing Microsoft did was to get 386 computesr to behave like computers costing much more (UNIX Workstations, Apples..) . Now that hardware performance is a lot cheaper - there's no need to run crappy software like Windows. You can get the real deal.

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    3. Re:*ring-ring*... by plastik55 · · Score: 1

      I first saw "tear-off" menus in Hypercard (Mac OS, ca. 1986 or so)

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    4. Re:*ring-ring*... by The+Bungi · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I'm impressed - Microsoft made a dialog.

      Well, you should be impressed - after all, it took GNOME and/or KDE sever years and releases to make halfway useable dialogs. And they're still not standardized and therefore confusing.

      The rest of your post is of course the same tired bullshit everyone tends to spit out every time this comes up, except that interestingly you didn't use the XEROX PARC as the end of the string. "Clippy"? HAHAHAH!!! You forgot "M$ BOB"!!

      This all non-innovative crap "M$" keeps churning out... I just don't understand why KDE and GNOME and everyone else keep copying it (badly) year after year. It's distressing, I know. I mean, they copy the Windows shell, Outlook, Visual Studio, .NET, Office, etc. It's maddening, I tell you!

    5. Re:*ring-ring*... by d00ber · · Score: 1

      Tcl/Tk had tearoff menus 8-9 years ago during early Win95 days

      I'm pretty sure M$ didn't have this then.

    6. Re:*ring-ring*... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      did you ever use an X interface before windows 95 came out? if you did not, then how can you claim that ms came up with all this stuff? you confuse popularity with quality and innovation.

    7. Re:*ring-ring*... by zulux · · Score: 1


      It's maddening, I tell you!

      No it not! I think it's quite funny!

      MSFT stock going sideways for years, Linux gaining marketshare. It's great!

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    8. Re:*ring-ring*... by The+Bungi · · Score: 1

      Well you just keep saying that and maybe one day it will actually happen.

  6. Re:Stupid M$ "Innovation" by boarder8925 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Face it, a huge tablet isn't a PDA.
    That depends. If you mean "PDA" as in "Personal Digital Assistant," then it is a PDA. If you mean "PDA" as in "Public Display of Affection," it's not.
  7. Truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Troll

    Thank you for your karma whore. You like this idea very much. You like PDAs very much. You wish you could tweak your PDA. You think the open nature of Linux would work to the PDA's advantage. Thank you for offering nothing of actual value that will be modded up. Speak in repeated short sentences that ends with a "I hope this is the beginning of..." statement that yet again doesn't actually say anything.

    1. Re:Truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thank you for offering nothing of actual value that will be modded up. Speak in repeated short sentences that ends with a "I hope this is the beginning of..." statement that yet again doesn't actually say anything.

      Where the hell have you been?

      You just described 90% of the posts here.

    2. Re:Truth by orthogonal · · Score: 1

      Thank you for your karma whore. You like this idea very much. You like PDAs very much. You wish you could tweak your PDA. You think the open nature of Linux would work to the PDA's advantage. Thank you for offering nothing of actual value that will be modded up. Speak in repeated short sentences that ends with a "I hope this is the beginning of..." statement that yet again doesn't actually say anything.

      Thank you for finally pointing this out. I like your post very much. We should point out Karma Whores. Like you do. I wish everybody did it. I think the open nature of Slashdot lends itself to this sort of meta-moderation. Even if it's ad hoc meta-moderation. Moderation via comments, not mod points. I hope this is the beginning of a reform of Slashdot. I hope this means we'll se fewer Karma Whores.

      (Sheepish grin :) )

  8. LookPal??? by ferrellcat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where do they get these names?

    Seems kind of intimidating!

    1. Re:LookPal??? by craXORjack · · Score: 1
      Where do they get these names?

      Seems kind of intimidating!

      Yes, as in: 'Look Pal, I want my money back and I won't take no for an answer!'

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    2. Re:LookPal??? by ToadMan8 · · Score: 1

      J A P A N E S E ;)

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    3. Re:LookPal??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You are a pasty white computer geek. You are intimidated by simple contact with a real life female. I think these names are the least of your problems.

  9. $645 Affordable? by puto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pardon me Antoine but you need to lay the crack pipe down and get a grip.

    I have had top of the line Palms and PPCs with all the fixings and nowhere near paid that much. And these devices have *Loads* of software free and purchased on the market.

    I use a Dell Axim supplied by work and am pretty happy with it.

    I am daily linux user, have been for years. But 645? There goes the TCO argument.

    I can get a laptop for 645. A 4 day trip to mexico.

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    1. Re:$645 Affordable? by egomaniac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have had top of the line Palms and PPCs with all the fixings and nowhere near paid that much. And these devices have *Loads* of software free and purchased on the market.

      My top-of-the-line Sony Clie UX50 + 1GB memory stick cost nearly $1,000.

      Not sure what definition you are using for "top-of-the-line", since a top-of-the-line Palm is definitely in this price range. $645 for a cool electronic gadget may not be "affordable" to everybody, but there is obviously no shortage of people who are willing to fork it out.

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    2. Re:$645 Affordable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just jack a couple of iPods and you should be able to afford it.

    3. Re:$645 Affordable? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Those prices are also for the Japanese market. It might be less if produced for the US. Or not. It really depends. I also wouldn't suggest comparing the price of one type of device in one country with a high cost of living with that of a different kind of device sold in a different country with a much lower cost of living.

      Comparing it to Palms and Pocket PCs doesn't jive well as the screen has over four times the visible screen area.

    4. Re:$645 Affordable? by ibbey · · Score: 1

      I have had top of the line Palms and PPCs with all the fixings and nowhere near paid that much. And these devices have *Loads* of software free and purchased on the market.

      RTFA. This isn't a PDA. What was the last PDA you bought that had a built in CD-ROM?

      This is a product aimed squarely at vertical markets. If you've ever priced vertical market hardware, you'll know that they don't intend to compete pricewise with consumer hardware. People who need the features will pay the premium.

      BTW, $645 may be a lot for a PDA, but it's certainly not unheard of. Most companies offer a model priced at or above $600. The only exception in the major brands is probably Palm-- they top out at $500.

      Once again, you need to consider the target market that NEC is aiming for. Just because you don't see a use for this device, doesn't mean that there isn't one.

    5. Re:$645 Affordable? by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Think of how many blowjobs you could afford with $645."

      One really great one, or 645 from your mom.

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    6. Re:$645 Affordable? by CrosseyedPainless · · Score: 1

      Thank you for your services as Smackdown Masta.

  10. I was just thinking by HappyCitizen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whats the point of linux on a pda? I mean, Windows Mobile does it just fine. Its 100% designed for mobile, and even coming from microsoft, I never find it crashing. I was gonna install linux, but I didn't want to risk everything, and it was pointless I realized. Windows Mobile does everything just fine, I know your not used to hearing something good about Microsoft on /., but its true. Now, with a hybrid, it still sounds a little huge for a pda. I think once it gets that big, its really a tablet, in which case linux is a great idea. I think this is a whole new angle from which linux could attack the Mobile market, and in this case be worth it, and its advantages will be shown.

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    1. Re:I was just thinking by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I mean, Windows Mobile does it just fine. Its 100% designed for mobile, and even coming from microsoft, I never find it crashing. I was gonna install linux, but I didn't want to risk everything, and it was pointless I realized.

      I would think the main reason would be would be cost. Companies either build their own OS (like Palm) or license from another company (Palm, MS, etc) or customize an open source OS like Linux. Cost wise adapting Linux may be cheaper in some cases than licensing. With PDA prices slipping, cutting every cost is important.

      For hobbyists,teh reason to install Linux is probably boredom, curiosity, etc. It's the same reason why people overclock or mod their cases.

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    2. Re:I was just thinking by Fred+Foobar · · Score: 0

      What's the point of linux on a desktop computer? I mean, Windows XP does it just fine. Its 100% designed for desktop, and even coming from microsoft, I never find it crashing. I was gonna install linux, but I didn't want to risk everything, and it was pointless I realized.

      Yeah.

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    3. Re:I was just thinking by HappyCitizen · · Score: 0

      No, Win XP does add great cost to the computer. It doesn't do everything just fine. It sometimes crashes and is highly suseptiable to viruses. It doesn't crash as much as 9x, but it still does. Windows Mobile may add cost to the device, but right now the Linux devices are still more expensive for some reason, so the price change doesn't help the consumer. In the PDA market, windows doesn't have these problems, and cost isn't hurting it. As far as RTFA, RTFP (Read my post). I said that for PDA's, linux was a bad idea. For this, it is a good idea, but I wouldn't consider this 100% PDA, because it is still quite large...

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    4. Re:I was just thinking by ibbey · · Score: 1

      Windows adds ALOT to the price. I'm not sure what MS actually charges for a license for Wince (or whatever they're calling it this week), but I seriously doubt it's less then $50 & I wouldn't be surprised if it was over $100.

      Linux PDA's are expensive for two reasons: their target market, and their sales. One, most Linux PDA's aim for the high end of the market. Sure you can buy a (slightly) cheaper Ipaq, but does t have the same features as the Zaurus?

      Second, the market for Linux PDA's is currently fairly small. Because of this, the price is artificially high. Once sales volumes go up, the price will come down. Sales volumes will only go up once the product reaches a certain level of maturity, and that will only happen once they have been on the market a while. Every new Linux PDA increases product awareness & improves the market.

    5. Re:I was just thinking by jayteedee · · Score: 1

      A full OS (Linux or Windows) would be great on a PDA. I don't own a PDA type system because they don't do enough for me yet. I'm still waiting for the next generation which will basically be a full fledge computer the size of a PDA, or iPod. Think entire computer minus monitor, keyboard and mouse. I'll have a keyboard, mouse, and monitor wearever I go, and I'll just plug in my "PDA" wherever I am, and poof, I'll have all my stuff with me. I press a button and the machine goes into "standby" or "hibernate" modes (al la Windows). I'd only use the PDA functions and LCD screen to access document's that I already have created, and make minor changes (add name, appointment, address, phone number, etc). Since the full OS comes in the handheld, I can open and edit anything, limited only by my small keyboard and imput device. I don't need/want to create new documents on the PDA, I mostly need a reference device and calandar, phone book, etc. This would be a fabulous device, and if Linux can own the space before Windows walks in, all the better. Some of the nano-ATX (was that the name that VIA gave the new version?) motherboards are getting down to the size I'm after. Put a 1" or 1.8" harddrive to boot and hold data, and I've basically got what I'm after (small LCD screen too). Mix in one of those small QWERTY keyboards with a sliding cover that come on some PDA's and I'm even closer.

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  11. Wait for it... by bonch · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    ...

    ........

    You must be new around here.

    1. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
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  12. Linux Tablet/PDA Hybrid by Sla$hd0tSux0r · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Well, some colleagues and I investigated a Linux Tablet/PDA Hybrid a few months ago. The upshot was that we are somewhat unimpressed... there are more powerful solutions hitting the market soon, and less expensive to boot.

    Basically, we thought the Linux Tablet/PDA Hybrid was totally overrated and would recommend against it at this time.

    1. Re:Linux Tablet/PDA Hybrid by hak1du · · Score: 1

      Basically, we thought the Linux Tablet/PDA Hybrid was totally overrated and would recommend against it at this time.

      Well, that depends on what your needs are. At $650, this Linux "Tablet/PDA hybrid" would be great for our needs, and none of the current Palm, PocketPC, or TabletPC offerings satisfy our needs: their operating systems are too limited, they are too expensive, and/or their screens and hardware are too limited. A Linux tablet with a 640x480 screen and a CD-ROM would be great for our needs.

      If you are just looking for a replacement for your Palm Zire, then you are right: a Linux Tablet isn't for you. But if those are your needs, just about anything will work for you.

  13. translations by geeber · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apparantly some phrases, such as "surprisingly affordable," translate better than others...

    $650 as surprisingly afforadble? Sheesh.

    1. Re:translations by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      $650 as surprisingly afforadble? Sheesh.

      For the japanese market, yes, it is probably pretty affordable. Japan ranks among the top in terms of cost of living countries. If you think housing is expensive where you live, don't ever look at a condo in Tokyo.

    2. Re:translations by HoldmyCauls · · Score: 1

      As opposed to the $1600USD that the toshiba tablet PC costed (at my store we're finally getting around to selling the display model).

      That makes the Linux one just over 3/8 the cost of the Windows one.

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  14. Actually, Go, Apple, GRiD, HP &c. innovated by WillAdams · · Score: 4, Interesting

    _not_ MS.

    Microsoft was actually rather late to the pen computing game --- and only got there by twisting Go Corp.'s invitation to develop apps to an excuse to create pen extensions for Windows since Go didn't follow their suggestion to do so (extrapolation of Jerry Kaplan's version in his book _StartUp_ and the spin placed on the same event in the book _Building Tablet PC Applications_)

    Heck, even Atari had a prototype, the STylus.

    There was also a Linus machine (no relation to a certain Thorvalds) which a few people have prototypes of.

    And of course there was the ill-fated Momenta.

    I've been a pen computing afficionado for a long while, and the machines have really gotten practical of late (power, battery life, are decent, storage is phenomenal).

    Using a pen system means I've got all of my data with me, and can use it / manipulate it, _without_ needing to sit down and set up / make room for a clamshell laptop (I've been buying laptops since 1985 (GRiDCase III Plus), they're nice enough, but more awkward to use than a pen slate, less acceptable in some situations (meetings, interviews), and require that I schelp around a graphics tablet in addition (okay, graphic designers are pretty much unique in needing that).

    But it's a _lot_ easier to mark up a .pdf w/ annotations using a pen than a mouse, esp. with the new Adobe Acrobat 6 (killer app for Linux, extend xpdf to allow it to annotate and fill in .pdf formas), and I don't have to spend time scanning my (paper) sketchbook, or transcribing notes from it.

    This device is really interesting 'cause of the size (much smaller than most Tablet PCs --- guess they didn't want to compete with their own LitePad) and for its internal CD-ROM drive --- can you say portable e-book reader? (I'm thinking like the kid CD-ROMs, Living Books, Tivoli, et. al.)

    William

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    1. Re:Actually, Go, Apple, GRiD, HP &c. innovated by josh+glaser · · Score: 1

      Yeah...if Apple made a tablet (now) I would buy it...it'd be awesome for running Photoshop, etc. on without having to shell out for a megabuck Wacom Cintiq...

    2. Re:Actually, Go, Apple, GRiD, HP &c. innovated by WillAdams · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My first thought on seeing the iMac G4 was, ``detachable screen, integrated processor, battery, storage, pen slate''.

      Apple really could do a pen slate very nicely, it plays to a lot of their strengths, and unlike Microsoft, which charges extra for Tablet PC Edition of Windows XP Pro, InkWell (nee Rosetta, the Newton OS 2.x print recognizer) is bundled w/ all copies of the OS (at no extra expense to Apple either).

      Battery life too.

      Used to be one could install NeXTstep on a 105MB HD --- surely Apple could manage something in say half a gig (or just increase their volume on the 4GIG HDs being used for the iPod Mini and use that).

      Oh yeah, one kind of bummer about this device --- there were considering using the spiffy TRON embedded OS, but apparently it was easier to make use of the CD-ROM using Linux. Rather a shame that, I'd love to have a consumer device running TRON (or a desktop either, anyone know of straightforward English instructions on how to install it and set it up?)

      William

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  15. Re:Timothy, you fucking retard. by zmcnulty · · Score: 2, Informative

    Believe it or not, I'm the one that wrote that.

    I chose "suprisingly affordable" because the main product I was comparing the NEC to is Sony's Airboard, which retails for 136,500 yen (around $1,300 USD) just by form factor. Obviously, the Airboard has more functionality, but details on the NEC device are still scarce.

  16. Slightly edited Babelfish translation by base_chakra · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I'm guessing that "sea urchin" is most likely a mistranslation of some kind of pointing device (stylus?). Sea urchins are pointy after all... ________ The NEC personal products, selling the liquid crystal information terminal which specializes in browsing LOOKPAL On sale in late June Standard price: 68,250 Yen (tax included) [approx. $644.47 USD] Ahead communicating: DMS division business promotion group. Tel. 03-6479-5852 On May 30th, the NEC Corporation announced the "LOOKCLUB series" LCD information terminal with built-in CD-ROM drive. The list price is 68,250 Yen (including tax). As for sale at the mass sales store and the like the bundle incoming order sale which for the time being leads the action and direct sales section becomes the main force. In addition, it does not do either the sale with the NEC direct it is the NEC direct sales sight. In the sales planning first year 4,000, it ships late from June. As for the same product "you see", "you read", "you hear", opening being something which was given out as the product which specializes, "in PC and the product of the new genre which does not belong in PDA. Like PC it cannot compile the file and it cannot process, but it is suitable for the perusal of the picture and the file. At one time, when in the radio-cassette tape recorder market whose sound recording function is necessary, playback private walkman appeared it becomes the product of the same image ", (the NEC personal products DMS division mountain village good Hiroshi group manager) with you define. Positioning of LOOK CLUB series 2nd feature, 3rd also feature is prepared. The LOOKPAL's features include an 8.4" LCD and built-in CD-ROM drive. Using its touch-screen interface, the user can easily load pictures and other files. For the first time, it is easy to know even with the person who is touched PC indicating just the idea contest of 4 types such as sea urchin and at starting point in time perusal of Internet. It is easy to operate even in the person who is poor overlap click it can operate with the long pushing above the sea urchin and 1 second. In addition, have tried to be able to input making use of the software keyboard according to need. As for the software keyboard, other than QWERTY system, those of 50 sound arrangements are prepared. Even with NEC PDA "Sigmarion" we can load the browser of England Picsel Technologies which has the result of adoption, other than the file of HTML, PDF and JPEG etc., we can peruse the file format of approximately 20 types such as Word, Excel and PowerPoint of Microsoft without doing the installation of various application software. Adopting Linux to OS. "At the beginning it examined also TRON, but from the fact that among other things it is insecure in the control and the like of CD-ROM it made Linux", that it has explained. Concerning the adoption of Windows, "before turning off power in addition to cost being high, in state you remembered in memory, after that you turned on power and directly, you continued and it was loaded you applied the function which can do operation, but with such job you waived from the fact that possibility of freezing is high", that it did. Adopting Intel PXA255 400MHz to CPU. The memory of 64MB is loaded. As for external size 243x161x34mm (width x depth x height). As for the weight which includes the battery approximately 1.1Kg. Battery drive time approximately 2 hours. Already we have started the business talk with the self-governing community and the like, preparing CD-ROM of each national language in for sight-seeing area of local end, the same terminal loan to the sightseer. You say that method of kind of using which can do the sight-seeing guide in the sightseer from world nations is supposed. In addition, we have assumed that other than method of using which was called the terminal and the business support tool for accessing to the electronic self-governing community, the private user peruses the picture of the digital camera mutually, while perusing burning of CD-ROM at the kitchen, works and/or is also a use w

    1. Re:Slightly edited Babelfish translation by base_chakra · · Score: 1

      Sorry about the lack of paragraphs... accidentally set it to HTML.

  17. Time for the next wave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember when the tablet/thinclient idea first came out and Microsoft was so critical of the idea? They put all their marketing muscle into destroying the concept but as soon as the companies that were trying to create a niche for themselves with it died off then suddenly M$ jumped on it and said 'Hey! Look at what WE thought of! This isn't the same as those ideas we put down because this one runs Windows!' Is this LookClub the beginning of a new wave of non-Window devices in this form factor?

  18. Translated Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [Server already seems to be chuggin, thought this might be handy]

    It's called the "LookClub," and it's a not a PC, but it's not a PDA either. I guess that makes it close to a Sony AirBoard? Although not really.
    It does, however, use Linux, and is suprisingly affordable. But don't expect to be able to get your hands on one soon - NEC will only produce 4,000 of these this year.
    More information and an image of the device inside.

    NEC Personal Products Corporation announced the "Contents Browser LookClub series," an information terminal with LCD screen and CD-ROM drive, on the 30th. The price is 68,250 yen (with tax).

    Rather than urgently selling the product at a number of storefronts, NEC is focusing on direct sales to different groups. Also, it will not be available for purchase on NEC's direct sale website, "NEC Direct." The company plans on producing 4,000 units in the initial year, and will begin shipment in the latter part of June.

    The LookClub series was designed with an emphasis on "seeing," "reading," and "hearing." According to the NEC Personal Products DMS Division's Group Manager, Yoshihiro Yamamura, it considered "to belong to neither PC nor PDA genres; this product is a new genre. It cannot edit and treat files like a PC, but it is suitable for reading images and other files. This is a bit like how the 'play-only' Walkman was introduced into a radio-cassette market requiring recording functions of all its products."

    The first generation "LookPal" will have an 8.4" LCD display, and an internal CD-ROM drive. It also uses a touch panel screen, making for easy opening of images and other files.

    So that the device is easy for those who have never used a touch-based PC before to understand, 4 icons (such as internet, etc.) will be displayed when the device is powered on. And for those that do not like double clicking, the operations are easily controlled by pushing for under one second. A software keyboard will also be used for input as necessary. The soft keyboard can be arranged in either QWERTY or 50-sound styles.

    The device uses the same browser that is currently used in the "Sigmarion" PDA also from NEC - this browser is from England's Picsel Technologies. Rather than having to install an application to read each different type of file, the browser can read 20 file types such as HTML, PDF, JPEG, Word, Excel, and PowerPoint.

    The operating system used is Linux. NEC has explained that "We were originally looking at TRON, but due to some problems with using the CD-ROM, we went with Linux." And about using Windows, "Apart from the cost being high, we wanted the ability to save the state of the device to memory immediately before powering off - and be able to resume work in that same position when the device is power on again. But since operating the device in this fashion made freezes very likely, we let Windows go."

    An Intel PXA255 400MHz processor is used as the CPU. The unit has 64MB of memory.

    The external dimensions are 243 x 161 x 34mm (W x D x H). When including the battery, it weighs 1.1kg. The battery lasts about 2 hours.

    Negotiations with various municipalities are already going on - a CD-ROM loaded with various languages is prepared, and the device is loaned to tourists, who then go see the local sites. It is supposed to be a sort of travel guide that speaks the language of the tourists from around the world. Also, besides being usable to connect to the city government for business support tools, it could be used for individual users mutually sharing digital camera images, or accessing recipes from a CD-ROM while in the kitchen.

    NEC plans a second generation "LookLet" - with a 4.7" LCD screen, and a "LookRex" - with a 12.1" LCD screen within the year. It is expected that both of these products will more or less have the same options as the LookPal.

    Meanwhile, for investment into the LookPal, "LookMaker" from Sony PCL is currently being developed for creation of contents for the device, and will be available for sale.

  19. remove cdrom and add usb+wireless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    nice gadget though, my first thought was.. take out the clumsy cdrom and add wireless, so the translator also suggested.

    actually, leave out the wireless, just allow for usb, then you could add wireless through a usb plug-in.

    the tablet might(will) become the tv companion(client) laying around the couch in numbers for each or most family member. thanks to this tv companion with wireless network connection each tv viewer will engage more interactively with quiz shows, talk shows, movies, competitions, polls, et al. but keep it cheap, slim and modular.

    if any tv/media company wants to know what I'm talking about, call the number at: http://sophistic.com (hey it worked when I last talked about watch phones, IBM called ;) I can imagine, imagine that.

    njoy.

  20. sleep/wake fails under Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    And about using Windows, "Apart from the cost being high, we wanted the ability to save the state of the device to memory immediately before powering off - and be able to resume work in that same position when the device is power on again. But since operating the device in this fashion made freezes very likely, we let Windows go."

    This is the truth. All I need to do to lock up my Thinkpad is to close the lid, wait just long enough for Windows to *begin* going to sleep, and then open the lid again. At that point, the laptop is hung. Reliably. Works every time. It's probably one of the most reliable aspects of Windows...

    1. Re:sleep/wake fails under Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It works for me using hibernation.

  21. WiFi? by Geccoman · · Score: 1

    So, this thing doesn't mention wireless. I don't think I would want one of these if it didn't have integrated wireless technology.

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  22. RTFA by rokzy · · Score: 4, Informative

    The operating system used is Linux. NEC has explained that "We were originally looking at TRON, but due to some problems with using the CD-ROM, we went with Linux." And about using Windows, "Apart from the cost being high, we wanted the ability to save the state of the device to memory immediately before powering off - and be able to resume work in that same position when the device is power on again. But since operating the device in this fashion made freezes very likely, we let Windows go."

    1. Re:RTFA by gglaze · · Score: 1

      "...we wanted the ability to save the state of the device to memory immediately before powering off - and be able to resume work in that same position when the device is power on again. But since operating the device in this fashion made freezes very likely, we let Windows go."

      Just curious - isn't this exactly what Windows allows you to do (i.e. Hibernate and/or Suspend in XP, or normal power down/resume in PocketPC/MobileOS)?

      I'm not sure I understand what NEC is trying to say here - clearly MS has as many (reliable) options for state persistence as Linux, if not more. n'est pas?

  23. Re:Stupid M$ "Innovation" by rokzy · · Score: 1

    also, if you're using the definition of "Personal" of "annoying to others" e.g. Personal Stereo, Personalised Ringtones... then the bigger it is, the more Personal it is, and hence the more PDA it is.

  24. Re:Stupid M$ "Innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Why do you give Microsoft credit for the idea of a mobile computer client with a touch screen and accessories?

    All they should have credit for as a company in this case is to jump the bandwagon.. but giving them credit as the inventor in the year of 1998 or any year prior, geez.

    Are you applying for a position at the patent office?

  25. Ahh, they are giving it a Linux look and feel by alphakappa · · Score: 1

    coz it looks like my old school lunchbox.

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  26. Wow, haven't we come far in 5 years? by Tarantismic+Yak · · Score: 3, Interesting


    No, no we haven't :0) The Toshiba Portege 3010/3020 series, released in 1998, is smaller volumetrically, has 64MB from factory, probably a faster processor ( especially the 3020CT ) and is more than FIVE years old! Toshiba's brochures are still available:

    3010CT
    3020CT

    A bit more here:

    http://www.ids.org.au/~shaynest/articles/portege/

    The NEC is larger, volume wise. Yes, it has a CD drive built in, but who uses those things on the road anyway? Sheesh. How did this make NEWS?

  27. Or Tablet PC! by rump_carrot · · Score: 1

    Hi Guys

    Here's another one - Tablet PC.

    I'm no Microsoft lover (been using Linux for ~ 6 years now), but I gotta tell you, my new Tablet PC is extremely cool (Gateway M275 convertible). Very usefull as well.

    I truly hope the open source community will see the importance of this form factor and get on the bandwagon - Tablet PCs offer the ability to read like an e-book, write with a pen, or carry out traditional computing in the notebook fashion.

    Just my thoughts, now flame away at me (and yes Apple fans, I know there once was the Newton, but where is the Apple Tablet now? I looked for one, had to settle for the Microshaft version)

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  28. Just buy a laptop by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For this price, get a used laptop or iBook off ebay and throw Linux on it. Then you'll get a real display, HD, expandibility, etc. No cramped screen, no expensive wifi cards, just a real system, but one that you can take with you. Like here
    650 USD, done.

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    1. Re:Just buy a laptop by zmcnulty · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But would this be simple?
      Maybe for you, but for the market of this device, no.
      The article explains that there are only 4 icons that appear when the device is powered on, stuff does not need to be double clicked, etc...
      It uses England's Picsel Technologies browser, which opens 20 different file formats, right from said application.
      Sure, there may have been other devices in the past with the same functionality, and certainly cheaper options are available, but NEC's focus for this device is ease of operation. This is one of the reasons they are marketing it towards municipalities for tourism, it's intended to be usable by anyone.

    2. Re:Just buy a laptop by value_added · · Score: 1

      Don't know whether you buy much on eBay, but the "Reserve Not Met" should be an indicator that it's not going to be selling for 650USD. My guess 750 at minimum.

      That said, I do think there is a market for "larger" sized PDA/readers. So does NEC come to think of it. Personally I'm waiting for something I can use soley to read reference/technical documentation, maybe something along the lines of those gadgets we saw used on StarTrek episodes.

    3. Re:Just buy a laptop by gborland · · Score: 1

      Picsel Technologies are actually Scottish, not English.

  29. my linux handheld costs even more at $699 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just got a linux handheld with a 640x480 4" screen, the Sharp Zaurus SL-6000L, from PC Connection for $699.

    It was quite inexpensive compared to a Dell Axim, in the sense that the Dell Axim costs ALMOST NOTHING TO PRODUCE, so more of your money can go to wiping out Linux when you purchase the Axim.

    Yes, you who purchase the Axim and put Linux on it could, if you would follow your few dollars, find them wending their way to Redmond, and thence to SCO, or wherever the people who are threatened by Linux wish to apply it.

    Your total cost of ownership is quite a bit higher than your initial outlay because of this. Also, MY total cost of ownership is higher because you do this, so I am asking you to stop! Buy something with Linux pre-installed for a change!

    p.s. The display on the SL-6000L is magnificent! I think a lot of my extra cash went into that.

  30. Falls a little short of my expectations... by barfarf · · Score: 1

    I really, really would have hoped for an 800x600 screen as well. I've really been looking for sort of a faster version of the Siemens Simpad (www.opensimpad.org). I bought one last year with an 8.4" screen that's 800x600 and a 200mhz ARM processor. I paid close to $400 for it. It also has a full blown PCMCIA slot.

  31. Lose the CD.. by -tji · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think there is, or at least will be, a market for tablet devices. But the options thus far have been crap. A desktop OS, like XP, on a tablet form factor, just doesn't work.

    First, portability is important. No, it doesn't need to fit in a shirt pocket. But, a two inch thick brick is not ganna work either. Lose the CD drive, it's not useful enough to waste the space for. Get the thickness down to that of a Palm V, while being lightweight and durable, and you've got something.

    Even the hard drive is questionable.. Put enought flash memory in it to hold the OS and Apps. Include a could SD slots for expansion/removable media. Of course, Wifi and bluetooth are needed, along with a USB 2.0 port or two.

    1. Re:Lose the CD.. by aardwolf204 · · Score: 1

      You've hit the nail on the head. That is exactly the device I want. 0.5" thick, Flash Memory, 8" LCD with very little border, maybe a scroll wheel and 1 button on the right side of it (lefties can flip it upside down and reset the screen), WiFi, SD or CF slot, USB for charging, docking, periferials. 800x600 though, loose the 640 res its just going to cause headaches on the net. hate to say it but 800x600 seems to be a "web standard" for the time being.

      Hell if this thing ran LCARS I'd be toting it from Main Engineering to the Bridge and back with me all the time (i wish).

      I believe they got it right by making the OS simple with few icons however LCARS seems perfect for this type of device. (Is there a LCARS linux window manager?)

      Now I just need one of these and a comunicator (mentioned a few weeks ago on /.) and I'm ready to start routing warp plasma through eps conduits to the main deflector array creating an inverse takeon pulse ripping apart subspace while solving sherlock holmes mysteries on the holodeck.

      /me NERD

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  32. Monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What I want to know is, if I connect it to my computer, will it work as a 2nd monitor/sketchpad.

    THAT would make it worth the money. It's nearest competition from Wacom (admittedly higher-end) is over 2k. And you'd be able to take it with you if you want to draw on location.

  33. good! by Sarin · · Score: 3, Funny

    - step 1: make 4000 tablet pc's
    - step 2: NEC30CD-ROM LOOKCLUB68,250()
    - step 3: profit!

  34. What is this for? by kiwioddBall · · Score: 1

    I can't think of any reason why anyone would own one.

  35. Re:Stupid M$ "Innovation" by warkda+rrior · · Score: 1

    Compaq-son-of-HP (used to?) make the TC1000 with a Transmeta processor.

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  36. Still too big. by enkidu · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry, if you can't grip it in one hand easily and write on it, then it ends up being a three-hand affair, two to hold the tablet steady and one to draw/write/type. Personally, I think the Apple Newton was the perfect "Super-PDA/Tablet" form factor. Not something you want to carry in your shirt pocket, but something you carry around at work or as a PC replacement on the go. The Newton's screen was just under 6" (480x320), but one could conceivably fit a wide/tall screen of 8" diagonal, perhaps (768x512) in the same form factor. If I'm giving up the power of a laptop, I want to lose the bulk of the laptop also. My dream PDA is described in my journal entry. where I mention the SuperPDA concept.

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    1. Re:Still too big. by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      I sympathise and agree for the most part. Still haul out my Newton MP 100 occasionally for the odd jaunt.

      That said, I've pretty much given up on w small device as a constant companion, switched to black leather Palm Notes Pad from Levenger (www.levenger.com) which holds business cards and 2.5" x 3.5" note cards or paper folded to similiar sizes (a legal sheet cut a few times and then folded fits in it quite nicely making a very elegant accordion book). I've a slightly larger Circa notebook I carry when I'm expecting inspiration and will be away from a wall outlet.

      For the rest of the time, I've switched to a Fujitsu Stylistic. It works quite well, and is pretty much fast enough for all the reasonable things I want to do with it (running Virtual PC is not working out though, and XFree86 in Cygwin requires a certain calmness and patience). It's a bit smaller than most laptops, certainly smaller than my ThinkPad in its Port case.

      The best thing (of course) is all the spiffy Windows software --- I'd dearly love to see alternatives under Linux or Mac OS X though:

      - ArtRage --- http://www.ambientdesign.com (this is my digital sketchbook)

      - Fractal Design Expression --- managed to snag a copy ov v1. It kills me that Microsoft renegged on their promise to make v3 available again in November 2003 after purchasing the company, see http://www.creaturehouse.com

      - FutureWave SmartSketch --- _This_ is just about perfect since it came to Windows and Classic Mac OS from Go Corporation's PenPoint.

      - LyX (oh yeah, this works in Linux already ;)

      - TeX / Omega (see http://www.tug.org/texshowcase for why ;)

      - Dirk Stuve's WinTeXShell supports HWR (as does the Windows QT version of LyX ;)

      Various other standard bits, most notably Extended Character Map (the standard Windows Character Map doesn't work well w/ a pen). Check http://www.tinyapps.org or www.pricelessware.com

      I'm still debating licensing PenOffice (http://www.phatware.com).... and am looking for a better MP3 player (currently using 1by1). And I'm still looking for a better file manager 2xplorer seems the best of the free ones thus far.

      William

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  37. Since its come up... palmtop advisement? by Amgine0 · · Score: 1

    What I need is something bigger than a pda, smaller than the tablets I've looked at, purpose is to be carried around by non-techies to fill out forms with vital statistics and brief jargon-laden notes which are then dumped to a processing script on a server.

    The optimal solution must be light and physically robust, be very very easy to use. The users are absolutely uninterested in the technology/gee whiz factor; they're busy doing something else and charting/notes are the biggest time cost in their lives.

    Any suggestions?

  38. 'interesting' that japanese are interested... by BlueboyX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Um, they are more 'interested' in Linux than we are! Well, kind of... When I visited Kyoto, all the university nerds wanted to learn was Windows because all the universities tought was Linux. In my university in the US we wanted to learn Linux while all that the university (Columbus State University) tought was windows. :P

    Well, my point is to not be too suprised when you see a Japanese product runing Linux because a LOT of Japanese students are being tought how to use it and program for it.

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  39. What does this have to do with... by bonch · · Score: 1

    ...Linux ripping them off?

    All you've proved is that Linux is ripping off features Windows made popular, though ripped off from previous efforts.

    What does this have to do with Linux copying Windows?

  40. Tablets arent ready.. by artlu · · Score: 1

    I think tablets do have a potential future in the student/business market, and Linux has an opportunity to dominate if more developers jump on the wagon. Microsoft is taking huge software leaps with Journal, OneNote, etc., and the Linux community needs to catch up. Personally, I won't buy a tablet until it can have 100% handwriting recognition + streaming TV + 100% voice recognition + video recording of some sort built-in. Now, that I see as a good product!

    Only dreams...

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  41. That's not part of the original article. by pario · · Score: 1

    The first paragraph of the English page is an opinion of the translater and not included in the origial Japanese article. No, I don't think any Japanese would consider $650 as "surprisingly affordable." We Japanese are crazy about those electric gadgets, I know, but we are not THAT crazy!

  42. MM-10 with a swiveling screen would be better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would somebody please tell me why they can't just make a Sharp Actius MM-10 (or -20 now, I guess) with a swiveling screen?!! That would be the best palmtop/tablet PC ever, since it's so much thinner and lighter than all the tablets I've seen so far, and it has Wi-Fi and no useless CD-ROM! It's sad that the company that makes the Zaurus can't figure this one out...

    (link, by the way)

  43. 1 step forward...2 steps back by MrIrwin · · Score: 1
    There have been some very nice "book" sized computers over the years. My favourite was the Olivetti M10 (try Google for lots of links, I don't want to pick one!).

    I am talking computers with just enougth keyboard and display to be able to write or use a spreadsheet comfortably, and precious little else.

    In the past many of these kept thier software in ROM, data in RAM, and had no aspirations to mimick a desktop or server OS. Better still, they did not bother with fancy graphics or WySIWIG.

    Battery life was long and they ran a couple of seconds after turning them on (Much like, say, a Palm).

    Frankly, 15 years after the M10, there is no comparable product on the market, nothing comes close.

    A modern day M10 could have USB, including use of USB keys, software in flash, and of course internet conectivity, with a WAP browser and pine like reader.

    Cost.....$100

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  44. Finally the Star Trek PADD I've been waiting for by aardwolf204 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've always said I wanted a wireless enabled device thats bigger than a PDA and smaller than a tablet like the pads they use on Star Trek. One of these babies running an ARM processor with WiFi and thinner (no CDROM) would kick major butt. And since it runs linux I asume there is some way I could whip it up to look like LCARS. (LCARS Linux distribution anyone? Please? Linky?!)

    Ok, maybe this is just another one of my geek fantasies (like having 24" touch-lcd screens mounted on my walls for quick home automation and internet access) but I'm sure other slashgeeks out there share the dream. Glad to know we're one step closer.

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  45. More Linux Tablet PCs by wehe · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are more Tablet PCs, which come pre-installed with Linux. But almost none of them has made it into the market yet.

  46. Re:Finally the Star Trek PADD I've been waiting fo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like the Siemens Simpad. It's basically a tablet PC with PDA components. It has a 8.4" touchscreen capable of displaying 800x600 pixels, a 206MHz StrongARM CPU, 64MB RAM, 32MB ROM and it can run either Linux or Windows CE/Mobile (flashable ROM). In addition, it has a PCMCIA slot at the top so you can plug in a wifi-card.
    Battery life is approximately 7 hours.
    Sadly, it went out of production before it even got introduced in the US (or anywhere outside Germany). I find it to be one of the most innovating machines available, it's smaller and has better battery life than a real tablet PC, yet it has the advantage of having a fairly large screen which makes the browsing experience much better than on an average PDA.

  47. Re:Stupid M$ "Innovation" by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    first off you are so mis-informed it isn't funny. I have been using Tablet Pc's for over 15 years now. My first tablet Pc was a Dauphin DTR-1 and the idea for it came from a small company that made an innovative device that was used by a large number of FBI agents in the early 90's. Microsoft and windows was an afterthought and they only jumped on the band-wagon later. I have had many tablet pc's through that time and my favorite to this day is still the old fujitsu Stylistic LT that is only a Pentium 233MMX processor. (OMG! how can you do anything with a slow processor!) with a special rebuilt battery pack using today's battery technology I go ALL DAY without a need to charge the tablet. and Yes, I run linux on it because microsoft's pen extensions for tablet pc's SUCK and have sucked bad cince the Windows for Workgroups days. (Those were the best pen extensions to windows ever. they worked near perfectly and seamlessly.)

    When I worked as a Microbiologist and Water Chemist I used tablet pc's exclusively. Today I am the only one in the manager's meetings with one and I am still much more productive is using it correctly than the managers sitting there with laptops, or the ones that bought a new tablet pc for hugse $$$ with way too much power and trying to use it as a laptop without a keyboard.

    tablet pc's are NOT a laptop, if you think you can use it like a laptop then you dont know how to use a tablet pc and should not own one. They are more efficent as a larger PDA with insane storage and capabilities as well as a realistic input/display area.

    Microsoft tries over and over again to make a tablet PC something that it is not and they fail miserably every single time... It must be a pet project of Bill Gates or someone else that does not understand what a tablet PC really is.

    so please, go and do some research, go and actually learn about tablet pc's.

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  48. I've seen this before... by fux · · Score: 2, Funny

    Isn't it an Etch A Sketch?

  49. Next best thing thats already here by computechnica · · Score: 1

    This COBY 7" DVD player with built in screen is more compact than the flip up screen models, it looks like a tablet. It plays Audio CDs, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD=R, DVD+RW, and MP3 or JPEG files recorded to CD-R/CD-RW discs. It also comes with a large set of accesories for $399. I bought this for my kids for xmas to watch on road trips.

  50. Cool! by jav1231 · · Score: 1

    Looks like they're following suit with Linux PDA companies and staying about $100-200 above the competition.

  51. It's already been done by dreamchaser · · Score: 1
    1. Re:It's already been done by mtnharo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's one version of the MS remote display. A few companies made them, but few, if any, people bought into the concept due to the limitations.

  52. aiming too high again by fikx · · Score: 1

    I'd like something simple. Why all the extra baggage when they make these? Tablet PC's, PDA/tablet hybrids, palmtop, they all try to aim too high. I just want a modern day PDA (or pocket PC) with a bigger screen. Is that hard to do? Is there a design problems I'm not getting?
    My ideal version would be the zaurus 5500 with a big screen. No other changes PERIOD. Sharp? Are you listening? anyone started a hardware hack for that? I guess it's need a bigger battery too, but that's it.

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  53. Handheld Linux + WIFI + Home computer + relaxation by Lotharjade · · Score: 1

    You know, if you get it so that this has WIFI, can join up with your home computer, and set it as a second monitor, this could rock. What you would get is you could chug away at the computer, then grab the tablet and go lie down on couch or bed and sit and read web pages on your browser of the main computer. COOL. Then when you get up, you could transition back to the main computer without having to reopen everything.

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  54. Japan by naChoZ · · Score: 1
    it's good to see major Japanese corporations interested in Linux.
    Having just recently picked up a zaurus and started delving into locating online resources, I can say it doesn't surprise me to see Japanese corporations interested in Linux. There's a truckload of japanese Zaurus resources. ezaurus.com for one.
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  55. Fat vs. Thin Tablet by carabela · · Score: 1

    IGEL and Neoware (manufacturers of thin clients) have models coming up that in plain words are a thin tablet client:
    They have I/O such as USB and touchscreen, of course a wireless NIC, but don't rely on harddisks and such.

    These devices are of course only meaningful in an area with wireless LAN and terminal server capacity available. Examples:
    hospitals, museums, (retail) stores, warehouses etc.

    I for one miss better performance on these battery dependent devices (at least compared to a fat Tablet), but as mentioned in previous /. article, Hitachi is leading the way with fuel cell powered units. Wheeehaa!

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