qengho writes "Vstone's programmable and automonous humanoid robot Robovie-M can play soccer, throw a ball both over- and underhand, and even demonstrate shame (over a missed shot, presumably). Lots of QuickTime movies of the bot in action."
But how autonomous?
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pholower
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This little guy is impressive. I couldn't get a lot of information from the website, but it looks to be controlled by computer. But, how autonomous is it? Im sure it won't look as good as the programmable, but I would like to see if it can do all of these things as an autonomous robot. As long as the slashdot effect isn't immediate, you should view the videos of the robot picking up the ball and throwing it overhanded, also, the one of him doing a handstand is incredible. Why can't asimo do all of this yet?
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There's a big difference between demonstrating shame and feeling shame. It's a pretty paltry feature compared to the ability to automate its motions so well. I wonder how well it'll do in the RoboCup?
Carnegie Mellon AIBOs pwn this
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ElGnomo
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· Score: 5, Informative
Im actually a student at Carnegie mellon University where we have our own teams of robotic soccer players, ranging from cute little Sony Aibos dogs that pwn in international Aibo dog soccer competitions ( not kidding! )to an up and comming segway team!
check it out here
Re:Carnegie Mellon AIBOs pwn this
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metlin
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· Score: 4, Informative
"Now, the Transformers are set to undergo yet another metamorphosis, this one bringing them to the silver screen. Sure, they've been there before (back in 1986), but this new movie will be special; it will be live action!"
Now go back and look at the page the parent post links to...
and may even win the game...
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mantera
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· Score: 2, Funny
With looks like that, they're sure to intimidate anyone who stands in their way.
I'm impressed by this
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SimianOverlord
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· Score: 4, Insightful
This little guy shows that as far as the goal of a fully working robotic (human-avatar) intelligence, mechanistically we're there. We can create an avatar which is robust enough to do the full human movements. Now we just need to improve the AI side of things. Let's face it, AI is severly lacking at the moment. I wouldn't say I'm an expert by any means, but I do try to keep up with the relevant research in the field.
Most experts agree the real test of artificial intelligence is, of course, found in game theory, with chess programs in particular gaining a lot of attention and publicity because of their year on year increase in performance thanks to better and better AI. But these certainly aren't quite up to scratch - a good example is a game I played just 10 minutes ago against the computer at so-called "Intermediate II" level.
I find most computer chess programs good at opening moves, because most have built in opening move databases (which I regard as cheating). I played the two knights defense as always, leading with 1....d4. The computer answered with its own two knights defense which is particularly annoying and insipid. That's one mark down for AI, mimicking human behaviour.
The trouble is chess AI is reactive rather than proactive and so whereas I was working to take down the right flank of the computers defence using a Queen bishop rook combo, it was just skirmishing around the centre to take a few pawns off me. Very poor AI.
Frankly, it's stategic thinking that the computer can't match us at, which was clear by move 27, where my move 27...KnC3-E4 forked a queen and rook. That sort of manouvering is quite obvious to the human intellect, and the advantage in points meant I went on to win the game quite comfortably again, with a rook v bishop endgame and quick checkmate.
Really all this just goes to illustrate that AI has a long way to go...I wouldn't say I was much more than a very good chess player.
-- Meine Schwester ist sehr, sehr reizvoll - Nietzsche
Re:I'm impressed by this
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Deusy
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This little guy shows that as far as the goal of a fully working robotic (human-avatar) intelligence, mechanistically we're there. We can create an avatar which is robust enough to do the full human movements. Now we just need to improve the AI side of things. Let's face it, AI is severly lacking at the moment. I wouldn't say I'm an expert by any means, but I do try to keep up with the relevant research in the field.
Ruh-eally. Did you watch the movies?
The robots had the dexterity and balance of, at best, a 3 year old human. The over hand throw video was telling, as it took the robot several separate motions to position itself and wobbled about as much as is possible without falling over upon throwing the ball. The ball was thrown with no accuracy.
If anything, this actually shows how far we have yet to go before welcoming our robot overlords.
Re:I'm impressed by this
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RichardX
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No offence, but unless you happen to be Kasparov, I'd suggest you should look for a better chess program before denoucing AI systems in general as being poor at chess.
Chess is a game very well suited to computers, and thus one that AI systems have rapidly become good at. If you want to see something AI really struggles with, take a look at the game of Go - as yet noone's come close to creating a Deep Blue of Go, as it's far more abstract and 'human' in it's mechanics than chess.
-- Curiosity was framed. Ignorance killed the cat.
Re:I'm impressed by this
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Jeremi
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The robots had the dexterity and balance of, at best, a 3 year old human
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
Re:I'm impressed by this
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Rolo+Tomasi
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The problem is that, from what I can tell, all this robot does is play back previously recorded motions. The way these motions were derived was through a (probably rather long-winded and painstaking) process of trial and error. It probably went like: move foot forward 1mm - robot topples - repeat, now move foot 1mm to the right first... you can see this has nothing to do with intelligence. This is how asimo works as well, btw.
This robot can't react to it's environment. It has no sensors. If the environment changes only a tiny bit, it fails. E.g. if you put it on a slope, or just next to a wall. I guess you could call it a fake. The Japanese seem to have a weak spot for stuff like this - stuff that really looks cool, but when you look closer there's not much behind it.
Remember the "Super Mario Bros 3 in 2 minutes" video? The Japanese guy made it in an emulator, basically frame by frame. Every time something he did was not perfect, he reloaded the game and tried again. I took him months. In the end, it looks like some guy plays a fantastically good game, but, it's really a fake, and if you think about it, a pointless exercise.
-- Did you know you can fertilize your lawn with used motor oil?
Re:I'm impressed by this
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pipingguy
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The over hand throw video was telling, as it took the robot several separate motions to position itself and wobbled about as much as is possible without falling over upon throwing the ball. The ball was thrown with no accuracy.
Plus, it throws like a girl.
OK, but what about the hooligans ?
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Anonymous Coward
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are they called "soccer hooligans" or "football hooligans" ?
Quiet you! Don't interruput poorly thought out/. anti-americanism, which is required in every single thread.
Re:Ignorant mods
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Cruciform
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Slashdot doesn't need anti-americanism.
US foreign policy does a fine job of that itself:P
Can it do sarongs, stupid haircuts, and roasting?
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StuWho
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Also can it snort mucas from one nostril, tell the newspapers about its gambling problem, be photographed with hookers? How's its gang rape programming?
These questions must be answered before we can evaluate whether this is truly a robotic footballer.
-- "If you think nobody cares if you're alive, try missing a couple of car payments." Earl Wilson
Top-level Functions
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t_allardyce
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Hell, I can simulate player personalities right here.
Commentator: "What's your strategy going into the second half?"
Robo-player: "Well, we just weren't scoring enough points was the problem. We're gonna try to play hard and score some more goals than we did in the first half."
Commentator: "All right."
I don't think the soccer-playing robot would have too much trouble doing a retarded dance in the end zone, so I think we're set.
The real challenge will be to teach robots to make terrible jokes and use the word "literally" improperly in every sentence so we can get rid of announcers.
1869 Rutgers and Princeton played a college soccer football game, the first ever, November 6. The game used modified London Football Association rules. During the next seven years, rugby gained favor with the major eastern schools over soccer, and modern football began to develop from rugby.
1876 At the Massasoit convention, the first rules for American football were written. Walter Camp, who would become known as the father of American football, first became involved with the game.
So, American Football (Gridiron) is based on Rugby, which is a sibling of Football (the game where you kick the ball all the time).
Asimo doesn't have boards for hands and feet
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puargsss
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You'll notice Asimo was designed to look and act like a human, while this soccer robot was designed to 1) identify ball, and 2) move ball to goal. Asimo is supposed to interact with humans and have more autonomous thinking than just moving a ball around. Not to mention the surface area of those feet and hands looks to be about 300% comparitively by size with the Asimo.
We need one. Or eleven.
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Sly+Mongoose
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The West Indies need some of these robots, providing they can be taught to play cricket. In fact, we would benefit from them even if they can't be taught to play cricket! As it stands, my dog would make a grand addition to the team, because he can catch the ball. OK, he can't bat worth shit, but neither can any of the current team members...
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This little guy is impressive. I couldn't get a lot of information from the website, but it looks to be controlled by computer. But, how autonomous is it? Im sure it won't look as good as the programmable, but I would like to see if it can do all of these things as an autonomous robot. As long as the slashdot effect isn't immediate, you should view the videos of the robot picking up the ball and throwing it overhanded, also, the one of him doing a handstand is incredible. Why can't asimo do all of this yet?
-- johntracy.com, because everybody else is wrong.
"even demonstrate shame"
There's a big difference between demonstrating shame and feeling shame. It's a pretty paltry feature compared to the ability to automate its motions so well. I wonder how well it'll do in the RoboCup?
Im actually a student at Carnegie mellon University where we have our own teams of robotic soccer players, ranging from cute little Sony Aibos dogs that pwn in international Aibo dog soccer competitions ( not kidding! )to an up and comming segway team!
check it out here
That looks pretty cool. But does it even compare to this robot?
Yes, but does it rip off its shirt after a cup-winning goal shot? Everyone knows that the crowd likes it when the players hamm it up.
(ducks, runs for cover)
Please help metamoderate.
With looks like that, they're sure to intimidate anyone who stands in their way.
This little guy shows that as far as the goal of a fully working robotic (human-avatar) intelligence, mechanistically we're there. We can create an avatar which is robust enough to do the full human movements. Now we just need to improve the AI side of things. Let's face it, AI is severly lacking at the moment. I wouldn't say I'm an expert by any means, but I do try to keep up with the relevant research in the field.
Most experts agree the real test of artificial intelligence is, of course, found in game theory, with chess programs in particular gaining a lot of attention and publicity because of their year on year increase in performance thanks to better and better AI. But these certainly aren't quite up to scratch - a good example is a game I played just 10 minutes ago against the computer at so-called "Intermediate II" level.
I find most computer chess programs good at opening moves, because most have built in opening move databases (which I regard as cheating). I played the two knights defense as always, leading with 1....d4. The computer answered with its own two knights defense which is particularly annoying and insipid. That's one mark down for AI, mimicking human behaviour.
The trouble is chess AI is reactive rather than proactive and so whereas I was working to take down the right flank of the computers defence using a Queen bishop rook combo, it was just skirmishing around the centre to take a few pawns off me. Very poor AI.
Frankly, it's stategic thinking that the computer can't match us at, which was clear by move 27, where my move 27...KnC3-E4 forked a queen and rook. That sort of manouvering is quite obvious to the human intellect, and the advantage in points meant I went on to win the game quite comfortably again, with a rook v bishop endgame and quick checkmate.
Really all this just goes to illustrate that AI has a long way to go...I wouldn't say I was much more than a very good chess player.
Meine Schwester ist sehr, sehr reizvoll - Nietzsche
are they called "soccer hooligans" or "football hooligans" ?
I bet their servers are expressing shame right now.
Is shame *really* what we want in a robot?
509 - Server Is Expressing Shame for not handling
slashdot load.
Table-ized A.I.
Assuming it runs...
;-)
- *BSD, it will be unexiting, but the best keeper the world has ever seen.
- Windows, it will be great, because games is the one area where Windows is better than everything else.
- MacOSX, it will look really good and get married to a Spice Girl. (I sure hope this does not mean David Beckham is dying.)
- Linux, you do not want to go near its fanatical followers.
and even demonstrate shame (over a missed shot, presumably)
No. It's because nobody has bothered to give it any pants.
Is there an overzealous parent robot in the crowd yelling obscenities at the coach and screaming "Daddy didn't raise a loser!"
This should work...try not to kill this one too.
http://outboxes.com/www.vstone.co.jp/e/rt01e.htm
As of 10/06/03, I hate COBOL developers.
Yes, but RTFA. It's from Japan. Not NA.
Do they make a tanto that strong?
Quiet you! Don't interruput poorly thought out /. anti-americanism, which is required in every single thread.
Slashdot doesn't need anti-americanism.
:P
US foreign policy does a fine job of that itself
These questions must be answered before we can evaluate whether this is truly a robotic footballer.
"If you think nobody cares if you're alive, try missing a couple of car payments." Earl Wilson
Initialise:
-Take money
-Find ball
-Take money
-Move towards goal
-Take money
Game end:
-Return to changing rooms
-Overclock servos
-Refuse overclocking test
-Disqualified
-Take vacation
-Take money
-Have baby: name=[city|band|corporate product]
General:
-Take money
-Take knight-hood
Error Handling:
-Avoid tabloid photographers
-Avoid mid-season injuries
Additional: if (popularity > 10)
-Reality TV spin-off
-Reality TV spin-off
-Cameo
-Release single
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Hell, I can simulate player personalities right here.
Commentator: "What's your strategy going into the second half?"
Robo-player: "Well, we just weren't scoring enough points was the problem. We're gonna try to play hard and score some more goals than we did in the first half."
Commentator: "All right."
I don't think the soccer-playing robot would have too much trouble doing a retarded dance in the end zone, so I think we're set.
The real challenge will be to teach robots to make terrible jokes and use the word "literally" improperly in every sentence so we can get rid of announcers.
Actually...
NFL Chronology 1869-1910
Wanders off whistling, hands in pockets
which says:
1869
Rutgers and Princeton played a college soccer football game, the first ever, November 6. The game used modified London Football Association rules. During the next seven years, rugby gained favor with the major eastern schools over soccer, and modern football began to develop from rugby.
1876
At the Massasoit convention, the first rules for American football were written. Walter Camp, who would become known as the father of American football, first became involved with the game.
So, American Football (Gridiron) is based on Rugby, which is a sibling of Football (the game where you kick the ball all the time).
You'll notice Asimo was designed to look and act like a human, while this soccer robot was designed to 1) identify ball, and 2) move ball to goal. Asimo is supposed to interact with humans and have more autonomous thinking than just moving a ball around. Not to mention the surface area of those feet and hands looks to be about 300% comparitively by size with the Asimo.
The West Indies need some of these robots, providing they can be taught to play cricket. In fact, we would benefit from them even if they can't be taught to play cricket! As it stands, my dog would make a grand addition to the team, because he can catch the ball. OK, he can't bat worth shit, but neither can any of the current team members...