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2003 CD Sales Officially Down 7.6 Percent

Lust writes "CNN is reporting that global CD sales for 2003 are down 7.6 percent, and points to 'rampant piracy, poor economic conditions and competition from video games and DVDs.' More grist for the RIAA mill on P2P? I just haven't heard anything new I'd like to buy... how about you?" It's also mentioned that "a strong second-half recovery in the United States, Britain and Australia... has raised hopes that the worst is behind the beleaguered industry", although "evidence of a full-fledged recovery is flimsy."

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  1. When Business Models Go Bad by stecoop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't mind pay 15 bucks for a new full feature movie release but I'm not buying another 1 hit wonder that has only one song that I like for something around 18 bucks and listen to it only once.

    No there isn't going to be a recovery until their business model is revised.

    1. Re:When Business Models Go Bad by bwy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can also usually buy a performer's music DVD for only a buck or two more than the audio CD, and a lot of times they are the same price or sometimes less. I don't know about you but for the same price, I'll take an hour of video of Norah Jones singing instead of her audio CD with just the jacket photo to look at!

    2. Re:When Business Models Go Bad by homer_ca · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One of the funnier things is that the movie soundtrack CD costs as much as the whole movie on DVD. The soundtrack songs played during the movie might be partial clips and mixed with dialog, but they'll often play 2 or 3 of the soundtrack songs in their entirety during the credits at the end.

      Don't forget competition from video games too and the music they manage to bundle with them. The Tony Hawk Pro Skater games have at least a full CD's worth of music as the in game soundtrack. GTA Vice City had almost a hundred 80's songs in its in game soundtrack, but it was mixed in with the fictitious radio stations.

    3. Re:When Business Models Go Bad by bludstone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly.

      When I buy a DVD, Im not just buying the movie. If I just wanted the movie, I'd download it.

      Im paying for a high quality digital video presentation, a 5.1 DD/DTS audio track, Commentary, Bonus features, widescreen presentation, ect.. All for 15 bucks.

      Thats less then the cost of the CD soundtrack of THE SAME MOVIE.

      I argue that p2p has MINIMAL impact compared to competition from dvds and videogames.

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    4. Re:When Business Models Go Bad by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You do know that the whole "commentary/deleted scenes/movie trailers" thing is just a scam to keep us from questioning why DVDs cost just as much as VHS tapes, right? You can probably create 10 DVDs for the cost of manufacturing and recording a VHS tape. Yet we're not seeing the savings passed onto the consumer. People are used to paying $15 for a movie, so that's the price point.

      The commentaries (which I've never really been able to get into) are the only one of the three that require any extra effort at all.

      Of course, there is also the "we have the space, so we may as well" factor.

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  2. Blame? Look in the mirror. by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    rampant piracy, poor economic conditions and competition from video games and DVDs.

    Hmm.. they seem to have missed "boring bands, unoriginal music and inflated CD prices."

    Here's a free tip from me to the music industry lurkers:
    Shrink-wrapping dog shit does not create a market for shrink-wrapped dog shit.
    Think about that, act on it, then give me 0.5% of the net.

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    1. Re:Blame? Look in the mirror. by Frymaster · · Score: 4, Insightful
      they also seemed to have missed one other point: boycotts.

      half the people i know refuse to buy riaa-member label records and use tools like riaa radar to avoid them.

      maybe if they'd stop suing their customer base, their customer base would actually buy their products.

      just a thought.

  3. Fall of CD sales doesn't mean less music sold by Eyah....TIMMY · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) blamed the slump in retail music sales -- now in its fourth consecutive year -- on rampant piracy, poor economic conditions and competition from video games and DVDs.

    Itunes is selling 2.5 million songs a week. The declining sale of CDs does not necessarily mean the music piracy is going up; it means there are also new means of selling music, digitally, and very legally.
    I hate it when declining CD sales is automatically attributed to piracy. The way music is sold is evolving too (and the labels are getting their share don't worry).
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  4. 2003 CD Sales Officially Down 7.6 Percent by James+A.+M.+Joyce · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But what does that actually mean, beyond the fact that 2003 CD sales have fallen by eight percent? Can one reasonably draw any kind of further conclusions, or is everyone just going to jump on this result to further their agendas?

  5. Don't forget... by Raul654 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...the Clearchannel effect - the drivel gets all the radio airtime

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    1. Re:Don't forget... by Justify · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I second that thought. The only way I learn about new music is on the radio. In my area, too many of the available stations are Clear Channel owned, which leaves me with a boring selection of billboard over-played music. Because I never get any "mix" of music (a jab at KMMX Mix 100.3), I don't want to buy any of the artists cd's. Either 1) I've heard the song so many times that I don't want to own it, or 2) I don't know of other songs that I would be interested in by that artist. I'm not devoted to the artist; I'm just a listener. If they want sales, then my demographic needs to be catered too as well.
      These radio stations in my area have really irk'd me, and they're driving me away from recorded music altogether.

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  6. Carefully chosen words... by tweakt · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Total sales of singles, including cassettes and vinyl, which have dipped significantly since the Internet file-sharing and CD-burning craze began in the late 1990s, fell 18.7 percent in value terms between 2002 and 2003.

    Riiiight. And the introduction of the Compact Disc had absolutely no effect on the sales of cassettes and vinyl. It was clearly completely due to the "file-sharing and CD-burning craze". Uh-huh.

    1. Re:Carefully chosen words... by EinarH · · Score: 2, Insightful
      When RIAA and IFPI whine about "falling CD sales" they use numbers from 2000-2003 and say that sales dropped almost 20%.
      For example from here:
      Total U.S. music shipments, including to direct and special markets, dropped 7.2 percent from 859.7 million units in 2002 to 798.4 million units in 2003. In dollar value, this represents a six percent decrease. The three year decline (2000-2003) of music unit shipments is 26 percent and the value of those units declined 17.2 percent since 2000.

      They never mention that sales increased 80% in the 1992-2000 period though.
      So sales is still over 60% higher now than in 1992.
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  7. 3-4 minutes of entertainment vs. 2 hrs? by Trixxter · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I simply won't buy a cd because everytime i've bought one in the past five years there has been one song i like on it. So that equates to $15 for 3-4 minutes of entertainment. With a dvd, for $15, i get 2 hrs. of entertainment. Why would i bother with CDs?

  8. Quality of music is fading by borghal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think this is merely an effect of music going more and more for quick and easy commercial fixes. Even people who listen to dance music used to buy albums, nowadays the quality is just so shite there's no hiding it. Personally, I made quite a few new discoveries last year, but ofcourse I don't pay attention to mainstream music&media, so my total number of purchases should remain about the same.

  9. Most New Music Sucks by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    RIAA will site this as proof that P2P damages record sales. But could it be that most new music SUCKS?

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  10. Maybe prices are also an issue.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the US, a new CD is now $17.99, sometimes even $18.99 or $21.99. When I was in college 3-4 years ago a new CD was usually $13.99 or $14.99 at my local bookstore. I was at Borders the other day wanting to buy a new album (that I couldn't download!) and was blown away that they wanted $19.99 for ONE CD. Screw that, I'll search harder and find it online somewhere...

    When iTunes first came out I thought $9.99 for a CD was silly, but now 50% off is starting to make sense... (Speaking of iTunes this study doesn't seem to take online sales into account...)

  11. Can someone tell me by kemapa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How an industry that makes so much profit can be considered a "beleaguered industry"? I'm sure the gas and cable industries are suffering heavily as well these days, huh?

  12. I have heard lots I want to buy... by Black+Art · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just not sold by the RIAA.

    There are some great artists. I buy their albums whenever they appear in concert, at the concert. Then I know that at least a fraction of the money will actually go to the artist.

    For example, check out Vienna Teng. Great music and even better live!

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  13. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by bbsguru · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Gee, how about OPTIONS!?!

    The reason most often cited for slumping television ratings is the ever-increasing availability of alternatives, from satellite and cable channels to DVD rentals to the Internet. People just havbe more choices when it come to how to spend an evening.
    The same is true of music. We have satellite delivered content on a couple of hundred channels now, (CD quality, no commercials, and recordable: different from buying a CD how?)

    I agree with the other posting most, though. Give me quality content and I'll buy it if I like it. Give me restrictive technologies and outrageous pricing, and I can find other things to do.

  14. What the article missed... by GreenCrackBaby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    An industry that has started a warpath suing children, the elderly, and many more of its potential customers is suffering from poor sales. Shocking!

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  15. Conspiracy Theory - it's all deliberate by jkeegan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One almost has to wonder if some brilliant yet lazy executive proposed:

    "Hey.. let's not work too hard this year.. Don't try too hard to find good talent, and don't go crazy promoting what we currently have. Sure we'll all pay in the short term, but we'll get what we want - a report of lost CD sales.. We'll benefit from whatever corrective measures are taken, and then we can sit back and make more in the long run without trying so hard to find quality work, because we'll have more rights on the music and stronger copyright laws."

    (Cue the "you give them too much credit" replies. :) )

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  16. Used CDs by thebus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With the increased high prices I have almost completed resorted to buying used. I can usually find great buys at amazon, ebay, or half. I seldom pay more than $5.

    There is so much good music from the past that I haven't heard yet, why do I need to pay full price for the new stuff.

    When I do buy new I try to do so directly from the artist.

  17. I love this. by Bluesman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Dear RIAA,

    HAHAHA! RIAA, the music industry has changed! Technology has allowed greater sharing and therefore we don't need to go to a brick and mortar store to buy your crap!! Information wants to be free, it's everywhere!!! No laws will stop this!!! YOU are the thieves!

    Yours truly,
    Slashdot Crowd

    Dear Congressman,

    Due to recent changes in technology, American businesses are now looking overseas to cheap labor to perform what used to be my job. This is economical for them because of increased ability to communicate cheaply and ubiquitously over the Internet.
    THIS HAS TO STOP. You MUST do SOMETHING to protect my job. EVIL corporations are taking advantage of Americans by using new methods and technology to their advantage. This is not fair.

    Yours truly,
    Slashdot Crowd

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  18. It's the economy, stupid!! by paulexander · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Uhhh, the economy is still flat!!

    But for these morons, they prefer to scapegoat P2P, not their ridiculously expensive pricing, or stagnant artist syndrome. Irregardless of whether P2P existed or not, their model just don't work no more.

    I'm making 60% of what I did four years ago, and I still have the same house note - oh wait I re-fied to pay the mortgage...

    EITHER WAY I HAVE TO DISCUSS IT WITH MY WIFE WHEN I WANT TO BUY A CD !!

  19. Who are the "one hit wonders"? by turnstyle · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "I'm not buying another 1 hit wonder that has only one song"

    This is one of those common excuses, but I'm genuinely curious:

    1) Who are these one hit wonders with only one good song on their CD? Can you cite the one good song on otherwise all-crap CDs?

    2) Do you think such CDs are intentionally made with the idea that it's all crap, except for that one song? In other words, does the band, producer, etc, not stand by their work?

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  20. Oh, like ABBA is the shiznit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Oh please, gimme a break about this tired "today's music sucks" cliche. For every modern crappy artist you can name, I can give you their 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s counterpart.

    1. Re:Oh, like ABBA is the shiznit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No, I think the people who state today's music sucks are referring to the mainstream music that is being promoted by the radio stations and major labels. In most cases they are absolutely correct. Most artists from previous generations were able to read music, play instruments, and understood how to sing in tune and even knew music theory on some elementary level. These days, anyone with a pretty face and/or fancy dance moves becomes a rock star, regardless of musical talent. Hell hardly any of them write their own songs anymore. Granted, there are exceptions like Norah Jones, Josh Groban, Sting, Outkast, and I'm sure a few others. But in general the popular music of today is filled with American Idol rejects who have no business in the music business.

      Independent artists, by definition, are not included in this because they are actual artists who usually write their own music, can play instruments and sing in key. Unfortunately, most people lack the time and ability to find these artists. I know I have a difficult time learning about them.

      You can say that I'm old or out of touch if you want, but you should know that the current crap they call music these days IS target at my generation. Unfortunately, I'm a music major and understand how awful the stuff their passing off as music really is. It's all the same beat, just different words and cliches.

  21. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by PurdueGraphicsMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Considering that iTunes has a huge market share in legal music downloading, I think that it's safe to say that the reason that cd sales are declining is because you no longer have to buy an entire CD when all that you want it 1 song. I (for one) will never buy an entire CD again unless I'm really into the artist and I actually want the entire CD. From now on I'll be buying my music on iTunes only.

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  22. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by stephenisu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fine the RIAA sucks. But don't punish the artists who's labels chose to be members. It's hard as hell to get signed, and the artist has to eat. The RIAA provides legal services and lobbying forces that would not be possible by individual labels, let alone most artists. YES I dispise the way the RIAA has handled these issues, but they are also looking out for the rights of the artists as a whole. It's kinda like the MikeRoweSoft.com case. The RIAA has to try to protect the artists or else they set a precedent. BTW MOST of the CD's I buy are independent, and if they are under the RIAA I try to buy at concerts, and murchandise, and tickets, etc... I have the beliefs that many BBS'ers used to have about 'piracy'. Try it, then if you keep it, buy it.

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  23. Don't forget the tide by Atario · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about a list of every other industry that's down 7.6% or more for 2003? I'm guessing music is far from the only one.

    On second thoughts, never mind. The only conclusion the RIAA will reach by seeing such a list is that P2P hurts those industries too! AIEEE!!

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  24. How about "it had to happen eventually"? by MythoBeast · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The rate of sales for music has been increasing considerably faster than the rate of population increase for many years now. It's entirely reasonable that their last sales values exceeded the amount of money that people really felt comfortable spending on music and that, as a country, we've cut back.

    One of the things that a lot of people have been incorrectly assuming is that music sales should react proportially to the economy. This theory doesn't hold true because (even at $15/CD), CD's are something that people can afford one or two of in order to nurse themselves through the disappointment of (for instance) not being able to replace their failing appliances, or remodel their kitchen. It's a small enough expense that people use it as "brain candy", or as consolation spending.

    The drop in music spending may just be because more of us are back at work now, and don't have as much time to moon over the music that we don't have time to purchase.

    P2P trading continues to be a non-issue (and possible a net positive) in the music industrie's income balance, they're just too greedy to realize it.

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  25. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by lazuli42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wanted to add my 'me too' to this thread in case anyone from the RIAA happened across /. today.

    Between 2000 and 2002 I used Napster to download a TON of songs. But up to 2000 I had only ever bought about 20 CD's. At the end of 2002 my CD collection was up to about 60 CD's. Albums that I've bought since 2002? Zero.

    I'm a small business owner. I'll admit that I've been cowed by the RIAA. Since 2002 I've only downloaded about 5 songs covered by the RIAA (and a few tracks from Japan).

    There's definately a correllation here.

    I'd like to sample some new music, but due to my schedule I hardly ever have the chance to listen to the radio.

    I sincerely wish that all the record companies would open up their whole catalogs at high compression/low quality so that I can check out new music or download a song I haven't heard in five years.

    *sigh*

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  26. Where is the innovation? by macshune · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A look at the Billboard Top 200 is an easy way to figure out, at least on an anecdotal level, that popular music sucks right now. For the most part, it's the same old artists, singing the same old things within their same old already-established genres. It's the same problem with the video game industry that everyone always complains about -- it's a lot easier to go with established acts (or artists or licenses) than to risk capital on something new that has the potential to either suck or be incredible.

    This general trend of homogeneity has really been brought to bear over the last decade, from what I can tell. Companies really like sustained sources of revenue...ok, yeah, that's a given and has been since the beginning. Companies need it to survive and to grow. But isn't it good to create some nice challenges so that the companies can grow?

    Challenges, like, say, the removal of perpetual copyright? If, for example, Disney couldn't keep making money off of old cartoons, wouldn't they have to seriously start making up some new stories or at least go back to the children's section at public library and read some Brothers Grimm or Hans Christian Anderson?

    In the end, it's all about how we the people want corporations to act in the context of our republic (both the United States and in the larger sense of the collective of industrialized nations). Do we want to give them carte blanche to not innovate? Or do we want to help them along by pushing them a little? Folks, from what I can tell, will almost always take the road that's easiest and offers the most return for the least amount of risk or investment. Sometimes you have to guide them down that road, or at least show 'em where it starts.

    My 2 cents, anyhow...

    1. Re:Where is the innovation? by Chordonblue · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A better question here is HOW do you innovate and with what?

      Here's a short (very short) history of innovation in the last 60 years:

      40's: Swing. The idea of using big band in a fast and fancy musical tone while borrowing from early blues and jazz really took it to a new art form.

      50's: Emergence of Rock 'n Roll and the multitrack recorder. This is where tech started to make inroads in music. The Electric guitar and bass finally get airplay.

      60's: Stereo rock and studio tricks. This is when the experiementation reached an all time high. Things started to be heard on radio that simply weren't possible in the 'real world'.

      70's: More studio refinement and the synthesizer finally takes lead. More sounds no one had ever heard, or heard together.

      80's: Early 80's saw better synths producing increasingly more realistic sounds. Glam metal makes a comeback as it is mixed with more attention to sound detail and synthesis. Rap makes it's national debut in the song "Rapture". New genre started.

      90's: Rap meets metal. Studio techniques are perfected to a point where any differences in sound quality appear negligible. Synthesizers focus on producing more 'natural' sounds. Machiens are developed to help improve vocal tracks (for those who can't sing worth a damn) and/or create backing vocals (for those who can't AFFORD those who can sing with them). True technical innovation has 'jumped the shark'.

      00's: For the first time in over 80 years of music, all forms of music that started this decade were around last decade. All technical innovations in the studio have been minor or non-existant as digital equipment is considered standard issue.

      The music companies - more than ever - are pushing personality rather than the substance of the music because there is no more innovation, but they are making a mistake.

      When Norah Jones outsells a pop star 5:1 and surprises the hell out of everyone for doing it, it's not because she's hot, it's because her music speaks to people in a way that has not been heard in many years. In many ways, it is music that could have been produced 30 years ago (albeit with primative equipment).

      If the music industry wants to survive it will need to innovate, but as you pointed out, this will mean returning to the roots of the music itself and not the 'flash in the pan' futures of personality.

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    2. Re:Where is the innovation? by Chordonblue · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The other thing that is making bands wary of the established labels are some of their more recent money-grubbing practices.

      In the past, t-shirt sales and concert profits ALWAYS went to the artists - no more. Bands used to depend upon this income because CD sales just aren't enough for most anymore. Now the labels are demanding a cut of even this one thing.

      Most every band out there would like to make it big, but the Internet has gone a long way in being able to show them just how twisted the industry is, what not to do (sign a blind contract for instance), and good general info.

      The industry has been used to dealing with uninformed musicians in the past. Granted, there are still some out there, but many more have wised up.

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  27. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by ziggy_zero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is it also possible that the quality of music is not as great as in the past or that a lot of music is "more of the same?"

    Anybody who says that the music being produced today "isn't as good" as older music are just lazy in my book. If you can't put forth a little effort in finding new music that isn't force-fed to you by MTV or the radio, then you don't really know the whole story, do you?

    There is a ridiculous amount of good music out there, if you just stop by a music news website to check it out. Also, online radio is a great way to find new artists that you like.

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  28. Re:As a record store owner by stinkwinkerton · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was about to post the EXACT thing you just said. I can't believe anyone is taking this post seriously. If you didn't chuckle at the first part of the post, then at least figure it out when it says " the powerful pirate lobby"

    It's a pirate of a post about being pirated. If that ain't funny, I don't know what is!

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  29. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by stephenisu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would never buy music from an RIAA-owned company again.

    Good news!!! you can't buy anything from an RIAA owned company. They are a trade group. They Don't OWN, they REPRESENT their constituents, the companies, and the general opinion of the companies they represent.

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  30. Bundling by vlad_petric · · Score: 4, Insightful
    There are extremely few albums with more than a third of the tunes "interesting" (de gustibus non disputandum, of course). IMNSHO most artists do one or at most two hits, and fill the rest of the CD with lameware. I don't mind paying 1$/good tune or even more (Apples' itunes is great in that respect), but don't force lameware down my throat.

    Eventually, on-line music distribution will increase quality, as artists will focus on making a couple excellent songs instead of many lame ones.

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  31. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by stephenisu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    great, you don't pay the RIAA, or the ARTIST either.

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  32. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by nametaken · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I could be wrong about this, but I expect they have crunched the numbers on their prices and determined that they're maximizing their profit at the current price. If they reduce the price, they may increase CDs sold, but not make as much. Obviously, no business wants this. What they seem to be upset by is that, at a given price, they have seen a decline in album sales.

    Now, is it because of pirating? Probably somewhat. Is it because all the bands and music out there are suddenly boring... that's ridiculous. P2P wouldn't be popular then. The truth is, it's easier than ever for people to get high quality copies of the music they want, and it's easier than ever to put it on whatever medium they want.

    How do you make everyone happy? You can't force people to buy with DRM. Not only can you circumvent it with some 13 year-olds software like 5 minutes before the first track goes on sale, but it tries to take away flexibility that regular people (like my parents) have gotten used to. The genie is out of the bottle so-to-speak, and there's no easy way of putting it back in.

    I'd have to say, that www.audiolunchbox.com has been the most tempting legal direction for me. Honestly, I think people would rather be legal... you just have to make it appealing with quality of service, low prices and allow the user the flexibility they're now accustomed to. Obviously, people will always pirate... but they always have. So the conversation is really, "how can the industry entice the consumer to purchase songs instead of downloading?"

    Sorry to throw around kitchy corporate phrases here, but perhaps there is a value-added direction that has yet to be explored? I dunno... this is something a guy in a suit somewhere should be thinking about.

  33. Flimsy Industry by zwaffle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The idea of making huge amounts of money by selling patterns of air pressure change is kind of flimsy to start with. No?

  34. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by shreak · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm not interested in paying the artist. Or the RIAA or the owner of the used CD shop. As a matter of fact, if I could get the music for free (legally) I would.

    Since the used CD shop owner has the CD and he is demanding $8.00 for it, I'll pony up the cash.

    All I want out of the deal is to OWN the CD I'm looking for.

    =Shreak

  35. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by Lord+Dimwit+Flathead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly. Traditional record companies live and die on their ability to gain exclusive distribution rights to artists' material. This is why they are so threatened by the internet - it provides an alternative means of distribution that lacks the barriers to entry (production lines, physical distribution of product, access to retailers, etc.) that historically have allowed them to maintain their oligopoly.

    Unfortunately, they haven't yet taken to heart the fact that a distribution-based business model isn't going to be viable over the long run for media companies, so they continue to fight tooth and nail to preserve the status quo rather than adapting their business model to the changing market conditions.

  36. Slashdotters always say this by bonch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But the fact remains that everyone else likes the music coming out, especially young kids. You guys sound like old fogies--actually, you sound like my parents when I was growing up and they heard my music. Meanwhile, a lot of people DO like today's music, from the Strokes to Clay Aiken to Norah Jones to so on and so forth. But downloading is so easy and convenient now, today's youth don't give a second thought about it anymore. And that doesn't make what they're doing suddenly a-okay.

    Yet, you people don't seem to care because you've grown accustomed to the convenience as well, and in order to remove the label of criminality, you've tried to brush it off on to the record label lobbying group that just so happens to be doing the *exact thing Slashdotters said they should be doing* a few years ago--suing individual copyright infringers.

    This is silly. There are online stores now. There are services like iTunes. How many knocked-down excuses will people keep using to justify that they've got eMule down there in their system tray right now?

    Artists willingly sign their contracts, and I find it hard to feel sorry for them when they shit on gold toilets, have antique car collections, and do movies all the time. Yet, Slashdot pretends they're fighting for the artist by ripping them off and not paying for their music.

    What's amusing is that there is somewhat of a stigma when it comes to pirating games and apps simply because a lot of people here are programmers. Are you guys going to talk about "sampling games" when Doom 3 gets leaked a month early (as they all are now) and kids, college students, and people on high-bandwith connections pirate the fuck out of it?

    If everyone here at Slashdot was a musician, the message would be completely different. What I find most amusing, however, is the double-standard pointed out in my sig.

    But go ahead and play the "b-but the RIAA is *evil*!!! That gives me the right to pretend their copyright was magicaly transferred over to me to illegally distribute all over the place" game.

    99% of the users on Kazaa aren't "sampling" those albums. Hell, on eMule they're just RARing up entire discographies now and sticking them online. I'd respect pro-piracy people more if they just admitted what was going on and that it was legally and morally wrong. At least I can debate your position logically because you know where you stand. But this bullshit "it's the RIAA's fault we're illegally sharing all their copyrighted materials!" mindset will never, ever fly.

  37. Just look to American Idol 3 by night_flyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1/2 of those people couldnt sing their way out of a paper bag, yet that seems to be the kind of "talent" they are looking for...

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    Thanks to file sharing, I purchase more CDs
    Thanks to the RIAA, I buy them used...
  38. Because people are listening to less music. by byoung · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I just read in McPaper (USA Today) that Americans, on average, are listening to less music. Something like 198 hours (down from 216). This is especially suspicious since the decrease is similar to the reduced CD sales number.

    Maybe people *just don't like* the music that is being put out, and as a consequence, aren't buying and/or listening to CDs. Maybe they're out having lives. Maybe they are listening to live music.

    Every time I see something like this from the RIAA, it sounds like, "our business plan isn't working! It must be a conspiracy! Piracy on the high seas!"

    Whatever.

    Maybe you should produce some music that we want to listen to?

    Maybe you should make it easier to find music we *like*?

  39. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Why can't the artist get a job like the rest of us?"

    Speaking as an artist: Full time jobs cut into your ability to create good art. It's not an ideal situation.

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  40. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by lcsjk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is it that the overall sales of consumer goods is never mentioned in articles like this. Just look at the comparable sales by Toys-R-Us during the same time interval.

  41. What is 'cool'? by Chordonblue · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But you're missing the point. You and I aren't the ones the industry cares about. It's all about the kids and disposable income.

    Kids want to listen to what's 'cool'. To them, MTV and the radio shows/tells them what is cool and then they share this information with each other to reinforce it. Why is this so important? Peer acceptance - something some Slashdotters who had trouble getting dates will not understand.

    I can look back at them and say, "What sheep! Back tatoos, piercings all over your bodies, wearing pants that would clothe 3 or 4 immigrants do NOT make you an individual!" But all of them will invaribly tell you that they are being 'different.'

    You know what a joke THAT is, don't you? Or do you? Think back in school. What did you do to be different and how different were you really than anyone else?

    Personally, I listened to Black Flag and the B52's (ok, I was a bit eclectic), but did that make me different? No, it put me in a strange minority, but MILLIONS of kids listened to them!

    Those that are truly different - the true innovators and pioneers of our time are shunned or ignored, plain and simple. You can't be too different after all, then you're 'wierd', right? If it could happen to a guy like Tesla, you know it could happen to anyone.

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    "...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
  42. Let's adjust that math a little by MythoBeast · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For starters 250m/32B = .78%.

    Second, 2.5 million songs per week times 52 weeks = 130 million songs at $.99 each, or about .4% of 32 billion.

    Third, $130 million spent on I-Tunes could be 130 million CD's not purchased at $15/hit (especially for the one-hit wonders they're publishing these days). Even after adding back the money for the itunes themselves, that's $1.82 billion in CD purchases, which is 5.6875%, which is pretty close to the entire decrease.

    Although it is impossible to precisely determine how much effect iTunes has had on this number, it is really poor math (and thinking) to think that it had no significant effect.

    Careful about criticizing other's nerdliness, for you bring your own failings to light.

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    Wake up - the future is arriving faster than you think.
  43. Uninformed idiots always say this... by Chordonblue · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "b-but the RIAA is *evil*!!!

    Yeah, it is. So? I never said anything about copyright, but you bring up a good point.

    How long should a copyright be good for? You know there's this Elvis revival going on in Germany right now - know why? They have a reasonable 50 year copyright law. All of his works are starting to come out in compilations and it's free and legal to do so.

    I'm not suggesting that breaking the law is the answer. I'm suggesting that CHANGING A BROKEN LAW is. The 55 MPH speed limit was broken by many (were you a nasty-wasty law breaker yourself?) That law was found to be stupid and fairly unenforceable (especially out West), and so it was changed.

    I'm a musician myself. I've personally watched the struggles of others who have tried to make it. I also know that 99.5% of anyone who signs a contract with these music company bastards commit themselves to being BOHICA'd.

    With the self-serving record labels and the RIAA re-writing copyright law every decade it will be a miracle if ANY music ever again sees the public domain in this country. Don't think that you can take a superior tone with me or anyone else just because we don't agree with that fact and want to 'fight the power', so to speak.

    If you can't see how one-sided the whole industry is, I would suggest that you report back to your corporate overloads and request more instructions on how to deal with people like me.

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    "...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
  44. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by Vancorps · · Score: 2, Insightful
    My sister who is an artist of the variety that paints maintains a full time job at a hotel so she can eat and relax enough to produce some great stuff.

    That said, artists should be compensated, but the RIAA and associated big labels take serious advantage of their artists who only get a very tiny percentage of the profits. The RIAA deserves no sympathy, artists that went the route of signing with a label that has such horrid contracts need to wise up and realize there are alternatives out there like the label I used to work for: Big Heavy World.

    The label recoups their costs, gives some to the artist and donates the rest to charity.
  45. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by ckaminski · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While partially correct, such a comparison can never account for externalities that are eroding a market, such as the arrival of better markets, and alternate distribution channels, cheap 10$ DVD's, satellite radio, 10 million reality TV shows, iTunes Music Store, etc.

    It's a good place to make general comparisons, but it's by no means an accurate reflection of reality.

  46. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by AnalogDog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't go that far, but I really have lightened up in the last few years on my new music buying, as the prices are insane. $17-$18 for a new CD is insane, of the new stuff I have to get, I only buy it on sale, for $12-15 if I am lucky. I also buy CDs from eBay, from overseas where I can get them for $6-8 apiece and from small distributors where I can score for similar prices. But I am known to trade CDs and mp3s with buddies, but on CDs, just like the old days with cassettes. And I too have been known to buy CDs when I heard mp3s of the group. The RIAA has no idea what they are talking about. They are getting in their own way with suing their customers and jacking up prices. Screw the RIAA

  47. 7% in Dollars - how about CDs? by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Insightful
    As we all know, the recording industry recently got busted for price-fixing or something similar, with the result that they aren't able to charge as much, per CD, now as they did before.

    I would love to see sales volume in units sold, not revenue, and I bet the reason why we haven't seen that is because it doesn't reflect a decrease. Also, I'm so sick of seeing numbers showing net decreases since 1999 - what HASN'T decreased since then, except unemployment?

  48. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by ee_moss · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I completely agree. I stopped buying music years ago. I actually think there's quite a bit fan base of music mainly based in Europe: Trance techno, for example. I listen to Digitally Imported radio, which plays constant streams of music (sometimes live) in all different forms of trance, and it even has classical, salsa, and jazz streams.

    The thing is though, even though digitally imported is an awesome site, there are tons of online radio stations that tailor to certain genres of music, constantly changing, that users can listen to for free (even ad-free). So if you're sitting in front of the computer all the time like most of us /. folks are, I don't see the need to buy your own music.

  49. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by Mateito · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > Speaking as an artist: Full time jobs cut into
    > your ability to create good art. It's not an
    > ideal situation

    Speaking as network admin, Full time jobs cut into your ability to do anything.

    I took 6 months off in the dot-com-crash. Ended up learning another language, a musical instrument and wrote the best part of a novel that, not suprisingly, two years later I'm yet to finish.

    Work kills creativity. Full stop.

  50. History Repeats Itself by jedi-monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The music industry is failing to see that this was the same problem, in general, that the United States and Europe faced right before the Great Depression: Big firms would sell things and expect that to be the reason for people to buy their wares. Not until they realized that they actually had to meet the demands of their customers! Determine the needs, the wants of the market Develop products that cater Continue at step 1 Has the RIAA forgot the basics of business?

  51. Hey - Don't be Dissin' Abba! by Petersko · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm serious. I've got everything in my collection... from Bach to Tool, every genre. And Abba is some pretty terrific stuff. They wrote music people love to sing - even today. Their music, decades later, is still in the public consciousness.

    In fact, I was listening to a live cut of "Does Your Mother Know" yesterday.

  52. Yet anothering meaningless statistic. by tassii · · Score: 3, Insightful
    RIAA claims 7.6% decrease in CD sales, but what were the stats for:
    • Internet Sales
    • Cassette Sales
    • Total Sales
    • Number of new CDs produced
    • The Economy
    I think that once you add all those up, you'll find that there was an actual INCREASE in profits.

    CDs is a medium that is slowly being replaced by mp3s & other digital music players. I would fully expect the sales to drop. Soon, it will be the same as vinyl records.

    Get over it. Move on. The world keeps turning even if you refuse to come along.
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    "I drank what?" - Socrates
  53. Buying music/CDs... by _Griphin_ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What was the last few CDs you bought?!? Myself, I tend to buy more independant music then major label work, only because I like to meet the band and swing them a few dollars to show my appreciation (I bought 2 CDs this weekend from bands I saw, total cost = $8!!!). Perhaps this is where the major artists go wrong, if they were more fan friendly and sold there CDs at the gigs, then more fans would buy there CD. But alas, I babble. Peace...

  54. Blame the companies! by taxevader · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Things like the records companies shoving $100 million into Mariah Carey's comeback.. followed by her going nuts and trying to slit her wrists. Heads rolled at the record companies... but we're to blame for them losing money, somehow.

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    -Copyright law #69:Whenever Mickey Mouse is about to enter the public domain,copyrights get extended by 25 years.
  55. CNN: "Timberlake helped boost the business..." by mankey+wanker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Timberlake helped boost the business in the second half of 2003."

    Is that a fucking joke? That's the problem right there!

  56. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by decepty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Speaking as an artist: Full time jobs cut into your ability to create good art. It's not an ideal situation.
    Two words I hate; 'fair' and 'ideal'... Life is neither, get over it. Who REALLY works in an 'ideal situation'? I sure as hell don't. That's why it's called work.
    'Ideally' I'd be drinking mojitos on a beach somewhere in the Carribbean - even though that's my 'ideal situation' it doesn't justify lying to the general public, fixing prices, buying off polititians and extorting my customers. There's already a word for that.... bullshit.

    ...and I'm 'speaking as an artist' as well, champ.

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  57. I think you have forgotten the non-geek market ... by cdrguru · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The problem isn't that the RIAA and record companies don't understand they can distribute stuff on the Internet. Oh, they get that just fine. The problem is that a large percentage of their customer base wants something different.
    • They don't have a broadband Internet connection.
    • They don't have a CD writer.
    • They don't want to hassle with it and just want a CD.
    All of this represents well over 50% of the market, probably something more like 80%. So, there is still a need for shipping physical products to record stores.

    I haven't seen anyone come up with anything except a lot of whining about how the RIAA and rest of the record industry just doesn't get it and how physical distribution is a dead end. Maybe someday when we all have fiber-to-home connections. Not today and not likely for years at least.

  58. Some reasons by Angst+Badger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here are the reasons I'm not buying as much:

    1. Um, the economy is in a slump, stupid. I'm not spending as much on anything I don't need because I don't want to be caught flat-footed in a layoff the way I was after the crash.

    2. There hasn't been much new music in the last year that I've liked. What I have liked, I actually have bought.

    3. I'm so disgusted by the RIAA that I've made a conscious effort to spend my spare change elsewhere. Amazon.com, Barnes and Noble, and Borders have been the primary beneficiaries of this shift. They have these neat-o products called books that provide days and days of quality entertainment for less than the cost of a 74-minute CD. (Lately, for example, I've been rocking out to Ursula K. LeGuin in the cross-platform paperback format.)

    4. CDs are still too expensive. For $15-$20, I expect to see the band live. In fact, I've been patronizing a lot more of the relatively unknown bands that roll through town because they're not regurgitating the same focus-group schlock as the big-name "artists".

    Since four items is a bit much for the RIAA to absorb, let me summarize: "I don't have much money these days, your products suck, and I don't like you."

    Please note that I did not say, "I am downloading MP3s happily," though that's what they will surely hear.

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  59. faulty numbers again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why are these numbers reported year after year without taking into account the shift amongst comsumer dollars between DVD, CD, video games, etc?

    So if CD sales are down 7% and DVD sales are up 10% is it a crisis due to file sharing or is it just consumers spending their money where the find more value for the dollar?

  60. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by macdaddy357 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    RIAA stands for Recording Industry Association of America. Neither "A" stands for artists. I think that sums it all up.

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  61. Real things sell better actually by tentimestwenty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whoa buddy, hold on there with the thinking that the whole world can and will make copies for a PITTANCE. The simple fact is that outside of the Slashdot bubble, most people like to buy REAL things. While CDs were a step back from LPs in terms of purchase-as-object, they still have shape, form and liner art. They also last at least twice as long as a CD-R and you have a master when your HD goes up in smoke. That's tangible value. One of the reasons we need real things around is that not all artists are still alive! How are you going to buy a CD from John Coltrane or Johnny Cash at their show if they're dead. Real things serve as tactile links when artists aren't around. Having a song on your iPod or your HD of some 30s blues singer is so far removed from what they actually are about. The idea that $15 or even $20 is too much for a piece of art made by a genius makes me laugh. Honestly, people think that great new artists will develop out out thin air if there's no support of their work. The RIAA may have made lots of condemnable moves but buying music is a form of democracy - only buy the CDs you like and the RIAA will make less you don't. If anything, it's the mass stupidity of people who want the Britney Spears album for $10 that has encouraged the production of so much crap and the piracy of such crap. Wake up, quality costs money. Money supports quality. It's a simple cycle, vote with your wallet.

  62. Re:7.6% is one number but there are many reasons by stephenisu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    hahaha Insightful?

    If your only basis for morality is law, then you should take an ethics course sometime.

    If your only reason you want to buy it is to cover your ass, you are buying for all the wrong reasons.

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