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LinSpire LPhoto and LSongs: bring on the lawsuits!
Sir Joltalot writes "Over at OSNews they're covering the newly-renamed LinSpire's LSongs and LPhoto apps. Take a look at those screenshots, and you'll notice a striking resemblence to Apple's iTunes and iPhoto. Take a look at this flash presentation and you'll see that LPhoto and iPhoto are almost exactly alike. They look like nifty apps, to be sure, but how long will they last? I would have thought LinSpire might have learned from the whole Lindows name fiasco..."
Look at how ugly that interface is. Apple should sue just over that!
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Call me a cynic, but before this entire thing, I never gave Lindows/Linspire a second glance. Now, they've been in the top of the news here at Slashdot several times. Nothing like staying in the eyes of your target audience, I guess?
LSongs has precisely 2 letters in common iTunes. Have Apple now trademarked 'n' and 's', or is this supposed to infringe their existing patent on 'bAd pUnctuation' and 'rAndom cApitalisation'?
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Is the Lmusic module protected by FairLay DRM? How long before the LayFair lawsuits and LPods?
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
I thought the whole debate over "Look & Feel" was resolved. I thought you couldn't patent, trademark, or copyright "Look & Feel". It certainly can't be a trade secret. What's there left to sue over? Am I wrong?
Should change his name to Gill Bates or Job Stevens...
MR has done this before, and now everyone knows the Lindows OS (now to be referred to as LinSpire).
/.-reader now knows that he has these 2 apps out. And as soon as Steve Jobs realises it, and sues MR/LinSpire, all the WORLD will know, because the news will be covered at every Magazine/E-zine with an Internet section.
He's pulling the same stunt again.
It's an ingenious move. Look at what he has accomplished. Every
By the time he changes the layout of those apps, a lot of people will have tried it out. Voila, instant market-share, no costs but a simple layout-redesign (which is probably resting on the shelfs as we speak).
i'm kinda sick of hearing about Lindows/Linspire. why can't these guys come up with their own original ideas instead of stealing others'? there's way too much of this going on in the Linux community, and these guys make it look like that's all Linux is- a pale imitation of the other OSes...
No. It's blatant. All the way down to Apple's corporate identity typeface (Garamond Condensed) to brand it.
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Linspire, I'd like you to meet Lawyer, Lawsuit, Layoffs, and finally Languish.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
It's amazing how similar the apps are, and yet LTunes still manages to look pants in comparison to iTunes. All this despite having almost exactly the same set of controls on the screen. There's more to this design business than you think.
- File/Edit/Controls/Visualizer/Advanced menu system
- "Source" title on playlist/library listing on left
- Expandable browsing area
- Column view of browsing
- Checkboxes on playlist
- Play icon in playlist in same position
- "Selected song" caption for album art and same positioning
- Add/shuffle/repeat/album art toggle buttons in same location
- Equalizer/visualizer/eject buttons in same location
- Play controls / now playing / search / browse in same position, only at bottom of screen
- Exact same play position marker
Nope, no similiarities here. Of course, I wonder if...They really don't try to hide it. The linspire site looks a lot like the apple site.
Evolution or ID?
Just because a product emulates a look and feel doesn't mean it's BAD does it? Since when was there a patent on a GUI?
Ever since Apple got US patent number 2002089529 , titled Media Player Interface. Look at the drawings -- that's iTunes. That probably also explains why LSongs has the player controlls at the bottom of the screen.
This argument doesn't hold water.
Someone brings out a nice product, then someone brings out an OSS clone of it. If anyone complains, slashdotters insist that you can't patent 'usability', and that the original product was somehow the obvious end result of solving a particular usabiliity problem
Then someone brings out another product that solves it in a different and superior way. Then someone clones that, etc...
It's blatantly not true that the iTunes or iPhoto interface is the only possible way of solving the music/photo management usability problem. It's blatantly true that the Linspire dudes are saving money on R&D by ripping off Apple (& Microsoft) so they can invest it in other things like marketing (and legal defence).
But what happens if the innovating companies go away? What happens if nobody bothers with R&D? Who will Linspire rip off then?
Just take a look at OpenOffice...look familiar to anyone? Down to the toolbars and icons, it is a clone of Word. By design, to make the transition between the two apps easier.
So it's OK for "our" apps to copy the look and feel of a competitor we don't like, yet not OK for an "outsider" to copy the look and feel of a competitor palatable to many of us?
Give me a break...
Here's some interesting background into Look and Feel lawsuits. I remember in college having long debates that Windows 95 was a ripoff of Apple's System 7. Apple has "Trash" and MSFT has "Recycle Bin". Apple list their icons on the right and MSFT list them on left...so on and so on.
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Ever wonder why Linux vendors copy Windows/Mac designs, and not the other way around? I mean, you don't see Steve Jobs holding a press conference to announce iPine, do you?
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Another question I'd have about it is those buttons in LPhoto. Call me a pessimist, but after using Linux (and various other *nixes) on the desktop for years, I have no confidence that the Print button is actually going to relay the selected photo to my printer in a way that it'll be a reasonable facsimile of what I see on the screen.
Y'know, if they had just taken the concept instead, and actually I think they're going in the right direction here, it would have gone over well with me (and I'm sure many others).
What I think they're trying to do here is copy what Apple is doing right down to the interface, but I mean why? Apple has identified some key apps that Joe Average wants to use, fair enough. Take that idea and run with it, but they should have completely diverged from Apple's own applications and come up with something new, or extend any of the pretty spiffy applications that already exists under X windows.
What works in Aqua doesn't work everywhere, and I think it's because of the widgets. That layout, given the toolset that most X Window system developers have, that layout just doesn't work.
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Yes, cry me a river.
When apps _don't_ copy the look'and'feel we get all this whining about how the interface is "weird". See also: GIMP, Blender
So basically linux application GUIs are only allowed to exist in the interval marked "very very familiar -- not too different -- but different enough for my taste."
Anything else, queue the whining.
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The screenshots are terrible. Is linspire a professional product? With which companies/OS is it trying to compete?
I thought that Linux UI had got beyond this stage?
And the problem is barely with the fact that they've virtually screenshot-copied from iTunes, but with the fact that the rest of the simple presentation elements (lists, titles, etc) are really poorly displayed. There's no alignment for example (something that would give it a lot of clarity), or spacing (visual simplicity, eases the user). It's the UI equivalent of a ransom note -- bits and pieces cut from elsewhere.
I understand that this is a commercially sold operating system. If they want to improve the UI of these products, I believe that I could do a better job!
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