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Sony Launches First Commercial Electronic Paper Display Reader
prostoalex writes "The e-paper is coming to reality in the form of a 6" screen with higher than usual 170 dpi and $381 price tag. It runs a customized version of Linux, and being Sony-branded, supports MemoryStick. The British journalists claim that three AAA batteries keep it up for 10,000 pages, but it's not too clear whether they've actually verified it, or just read the press-release. The manufacturers are hoping to sell 5,000 of these a month as their best-case scenario."
Hey, I have a bunch of those. I call them "books".
Anyone have any idea on what the refresh rate on these things is? I've always imagined the whole e-paper thing must be fairly slow at scrolling/turning the page - but I hope I'm wrong!
i have one problem with this: memory stick; e-paper has to be flexible in the sense that it cant only support memory stick, thats like releasing paper that can only be written on with a special brand of pens, for the e-paper thing to take off we need multi format e-stationary
where's the source for their modified linux?
Seems like every time an announcement like this is made a week later we find out they aren't making the source available..
For me nothing will ever beat the feeling of actually having the paper in my hands. Sorry folks, it may be mean to the trees, but nothing has the same feel as an actual paper book.
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and can be seen in sunny environments? Erm, is that right?
So the question is, would this be possible? Can the screen refresh its contents fast enough for normal computer use? Can it be used interchangably as a regular monitor? If so, this thing sounds great.
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Does anyone know if you can upload some "free" texts (HowTo's, gutenberg, etc) to this device ? The article only mentions BBeB, which has rather tight restrictions ... (i'm not permitted to read my books after 2 months ?! )
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Now they need to make the power supply and electronics smaller, and the display bigger (at least 8.5x11). Add the ability to be able to roll it up or fold it and put it in your pocket and I might think about getting one.
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Unlike displays we are using to watch movies and play games, e-paper does not need insane refresh rates and even if it's 5 frames per second, allows for better quality reading due to very high contrast ratios.
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Remember that this is black and white (at best greyscale) technology primarly designed for reading text. It will definitely be faster to change page than for you to flip the page of the book when reading.
I can't wait to get my hands on those. E-books are finally readable
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What's the point of 170dpi? My Palm has perhaps 40dpi at the most and it has perfectly readable text.
I think this is a case of a company marketing a product for a niche that doesn't need anywhere near the complexity or cost of the product they're pushing.
Japanese keyboards are like qwerty, but each letter/number has a kana (like a syllable) associated. There's a key next to space bar that change keyboard mode (hiragana/katakana/roman).
Japanese has an alphabet. I dont see why people think asian languadges are so difficult. They are often structured much better and are far easier to learn. Personally i found japanese to be far easier to learn than spanish. Oh and for anyone who thinks that its hard to memorize a word that uses symbols nto letters think of it this way. Every work in english has a certain way to spell it. When you see a word on paper you take the letters and turn it into a meaningful word in your head. Its the same with asain languadges. Instead of letters they use slashes and in some languages circles. You to remember how to spell each word you read in order to read it just like asains must remember what each symbol means to read.
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Does this unit have support for PDF's? Lack of PDF support is what kept me from buying the last generation of dedicated ebook readers.
Very close to my ideal writer's tool: a portable writing pad consisting of a high-resolution B&W screen like this, a fold-up wireless keyboard, a long battery life, and just one application: a word processor. It should run entirely from flash memory . And a $400 price tag would be sweet too.
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this technology has a little way to go yet before it really kicks ass. for one, they don't have color yet, and secondly, the contrast ratio isn't that great- it looks more like black on grey than black on white. in another couple years, i bet they'll have this with higher resolution, higher contrast, and full color, and probably fast enough to do any computer activity on it. What will also be really cool would/will be full bleed- no more frames around your screen- image from edge to edge. This technology is what will hopefully finally make the paperless office a reality. Portable, high resolution reflective displays. Right now, we probably use more paper than ever, because technology allows us to communicate as much as we want, but we hate reading it on the screen...
I dont see why people think asian languadges are so difficult.
Try find a kanji in a dictionary...
Try read a japanese text with a dictionary...
Try speak a word you read frist time (kanji usually has 2 way of reading)...
Korean has a easier way of writing, but sometimes they use kanjis too.
PS: IANAT (I am not a troll), but i do have a lot of work studying japanese...
Yep, the jp106 keyboard layout is QWERTY, but has a few extra buttons to handle jumping between character sets. The space bar is much smaller as a result.... and the backslash is replaced with the yen symbol. And yes, in Japanese Windows as there is no backslash, you can imagine what the filename paths look like. I just wish the keyboard would work properly with DOSbox and Bochs... for some reason the DOS emulators get confused when dealing with Japanese keyboards. I can't get the colon to come out.
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I thought the whole point of having ePaper in the first place was to have an inexpensive alternative to LCD which could be used in places LCD couldn't (like on product labels). At nearly $400, I don't see the ePaper providing a noticable savings over a comparable B&W LCD display, which could easily be used in a similar device. "So, 10 out of 10 for style, but minus several million for good thinking, okay?"
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Not because I miss the touch of a real dead tree book. Not because it doesn't bend. Not because it's expensive.
I won't buy it simply because it's ridiculous that the content expires in two months. What's the point of being able to load up to 500 books on that device if they expire 60 days later????
You [need] to remember how to spell each word you read in order to read it just like asains must remember what each symbol means to read.
That's not true. In English, you can speak a word you've never seen before by sounding it out (and I'm not sure if the irony was intentional, but your post had quite a few spelling errors).
Japanese does have an alphabet (IIRC, there are about 25 symbols - and each symbol can be written using 2 English letters, from a set of about 10). But they also have thousands of symbols that represent words, which need to be memorized. If you hadn't seen one before, you'd have no idea how to pronounce it, so you couldn't just ask someone what it means over the phone like you could in English.
And I think there are some Asian languages that don't have alphabets at all.
Personally i found japanese to be far easier to learn than spanish.
The language seems to have a fairly logical structure, so conversational Japanese shouldn't be too difficult to learn. But could you read a Japanese newspaper? To be considered literate, you'd need to have 1945 symbols memorized.
The technology behind these things sounds very similar to the Fisher-Price MagnaDoodle, which is a kickaround portable whiteboard that I cannot live without. It uses iron filings suspended in a white opaque oil, and it has a dot pitch of about 1/6" inch. The electronic version of these sound really great - especially the nonvolatility of the display. There is little doubt that these things are ultimately going to trounce LCDs.
This particular implementation, however, does not sound appealling due to the advertising whores that want some screenspace and the DRM that cripples its functionality. If they can sell these things for under $400 at such low volumes, then much better device that use essentially the same display technology cannot be too far off.
In his enthusiasm, Ukita lets slip that flexible electronic paper which can handle Harry Potter-esque moving images and colour is in the research and development labs and may be just two to three years away.
Having not read any Harry Potter, I may well be missing something obvious, but what is so 'Harry-Potter--esque' about 'moving images and colour'? Why not just say "can handle moving images and colour"? I'm pretty certain we had them before Harry Potter came along.
Or is it just a desperate attempt to interest people in the article?
..yet. Give it a generation or two to iron out the problems that bound to pop up, and practicly everyone will buy them. The first videorecorders, personal computers, walkmen, mp3-players and whatnot wasn't perfect either, but these days 'everyone' has one.
For me, I would like to see this for at least half the prize and with the ability to display colour photographs (but then, a lot of the books I read has colour pictures in them), as well as support for wirtually any fileformat that displays text under the sun - as well as beeing able to display photographs from my digicam. Oh, and add a CF-card slot to it too, please ;)
Seriously thought - drop the price in half and I'll prolly buy one, memorystick, monocrome text and all.
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It's not a dupe. The first story said they were going to launch it, with some few details. Now they have launched it with more details and some first impressions.
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Japanese is a highly phonetic ( and also highly inflected) language. They have had their own phoentic alpabet for centuries. There is particular resourcfulness in typing this alphabet.
The problem comes in two forms. The first of which is an early resistence by the intelligensia to actually use the Japanese alphabet (which was the invention of mere women). Chinese was the language of culture, and most Japanese works written before and around the time of the invention of the Japanese phonetic alphabet were not written in Japanese using the Chinese Kanji, they were actually written in classical Chinese (sometimes with a certain amount of skill, but often rather crudely). Much as the learned of Europe wrote in Latin, even though Latin was not their native tongue.
With this dissimilarity, many of these people had a language that was either descended from or a close relative of Latin. Chinese and Japanese have no common base. They are very, very dissimilar.
And just as these European scholars, when they did write in their native tongue they couldn't help themselves from sprinkling it liberally with Chinese.
And so, despite their being a native alphabet, the Chinese Kanji became imbedded in the native style of writing.
No we come to the second issue. Why don't they just, in modern times, simply drop the use of Kanji and write in Japanese? Because Japanese is a highly polyglot language, just like English. It has adopted into itself many foreign words, English, Spanish, Dutch, Portugese (the "Japanese" word for the kimono's (actually a western word in a sense, although composed of a Japanese phrase)undergarment, "Juban," is the Portugese word for "undershirt," gibao,( And the pattern of the garment itself is transformed from its traditional Japanese form into the European form)), and, of course. . . Chinese.
But, as I've already pointed, out Chinese and Japanese have no relation, in particular Chinese is not phonetic, and thus there is no way to spell these Chinese words in the Japanese phonetic alphabet. So they need to use Kanji.
Had the Japanese encountered the Spanish before the Chinese things would have turned out rather differently, as the Latin alphabet is not only a very good fit with the Japanese language, it fits Japanese a bit better than it does the Germanically derived English.
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well, AAA batteries, 10,000 pages reades, 500 books in memory, why in Hell have they packed such a wonderful geek-toy with this poor memory and energy technology? For 350 euros more or less they should have put at least memory for enough books you cannot read in a lifetime and battery for reading them all.
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I never tried to learn Japanise, but I've tried to leran Chinese. Looking for character in the dictionary is a science in itself. There are special sytems for look up in the dictionary - "Four corner" and "Root", which are qute difficalt to learn. On top of it there are communist-modified characters and classic character. And prononsation with tones. In fact chines could understand more easy student speaking without tones, then student reproducing tones not perfectly...
Actually, Japanese has 3 alphabets: katakana, hiragana and kanji (Chinese characters).
There are 47 characters in katakana and in hiragana. There are about 2000 commonly used kanji. In kanji, there are usually multiple readings (on/kun yomi), which somewhat complicates things. However, if you understand the meaning behind kanji, you're doing pretty good, probably same if you can recognize Latin rootwords in language X.
Kanji generally require correct stroke order to write. Japanese people have a tough time writing things by hand since they have often forgotten how to write many kanji. If they need to write something down, they will often do something on the computer, select the kanji the computer recommends (after checking the choices) then writing it.
Additionally, some kanji are really complicated to write. "taka" is pretty tough and when I went to buy stuff when I was in Tokyo, nearly everyone needed to look it up in their books to figure out the kanji so they could write it down on the invoice.
Chinese has about 20,000 from what I've heard. That's a lot.
On the plus side, you can write hiragana and katakana the exact same way you hear it. In English, you need context to know the difference when writing "aunt" and "ant". "whole"/"hole" anyone? In fact, if someone hears a name and doesn't know the kanji, it is written down in hiragana or katakana.
Anyway, personally I did better in Japanese than Spanish as the parent apparantly did, but that is due to my motivation. At least in Spanish you can guess that "interesante (sp?)" is "interesting". "omoshiroi" doesn't seem quite as easy to me.
We should have the sources, right?
If we can compile them and upgrade the device, there should not be any problem: we will probably be able to display whatever we want.
Any other clue about that?
In addition, they are thinking that they'll have flexible (i.e. paper-like) e-ink displays in these things in a few years, but that they're not really ready for prime time yet in the format they wanted with the resolution/contrast that they wanted.
In short, read the Guardian article. It covers who they've been working with to develop the technology.
Philips invented the paper, they work closely with Matsushita, so I'd wait for a Panasonic competitor to hit the market. Matsushita seem to have come up with a lot of neat stuff over the past year, hopefully it's a renaissance that will continue.
Pretty good and accurate write up, however there are a few missing points. There's a good reason that the Japanese continued to use the Kanji (Chinese Characters) even when they started accepting the useage of Kana (phonetic alphabet). Although the Japanese Kana is strictly phonetic, there is no way to specify the intonation of the Kana, thus this must be recognized by context. The Japanese language does have subtle differences in pronunciation, but the written language has no way to reflect this. As an example, take the English word "Bear". It sounds the same as "Bare" but means something entirely different. However, you don't need context to notice the difference in the written language, whereas in Japanese Kana you would, because it would be written in exactly the same way. What's a bit interesting is that in the English spoken language, you WOULD need the context to realize whether the speaker means "bear" or "bare". In Japanese, the word "Kuma", depending on the pronunciation, can mean either "bear" or "dark circles under your eyes", but the pronunciation is different, and can be recognized immediately.
Back to the original issue though, the Japanese language also has many words where the context is required to understand the meaning. For example "Kumo" (spider/cloud), "Kami" (hair/paper), "Hana" (nose/flower), and so on, all have identical pronunciations.
Under such circumstances, using full Kana will result in a very difficult to understand sentence that is long, flat, and hard to read. Using Chinese Kanji for specific vocabulary makes it very easy to read. The Kanji provides the context, and often the pronunciation.
One misperception is that the invention of Kana by women allowed them to write strictly in Kana alone. This is neither true nor accurate. As the parent had mentioned, the full Chinese Kanji writings of the time were written in a crude interpretation of the Chinese language, and was more often than not pretty poor as Chinese. It had it's own structure that was vaguely Japanese in grammatic structure, but you couldn't read it directly into Japanese. Hard to explain, but it was sort of a written language that was a language to itself. There was no way you could read it straight, it required interpretation.
This meant that writting in Kanji required more than the knowledge of the written language, but a background in an entirely different spoken language (Chinese) too. Just imagine if English was merely a spoken language, and the written language was Russian. (French and Spanish are way too similar to English than Japanese and Chinese are.)
By creating Kana, which was phonetic, it was possible to write sentences that could be read as Japanese by filling the gaps that the Chinese-esque writing simply "assumed". (I suppose you could say that prior to Kana, the written language was similar to Arabic where you need to assume the vowels by reading the context, as there are no vowels in the written language. Or so I'm told.) Of course, this was a very "Femminin" thing to do, and naturally was NOT a "Macho" (=Manly and Intelligent) thing to do in those days.
Either way, the use of Kana was gradually accepted, and the written Japanese language evolved a little at a time. It's still evolving today (as is the case with most any active language) so even works from 100 years ago are hard to read or understand. The Japanese written language is still very different from the spoken language, but it's much more Japanese these days. There is also a trend in decreasing the ammount of Kanji and increasing Kana, although I believe this is more attributed to lower educational standards these days, with people that can't read a lot of the more complex Kanji. For better or for worse, that's the case.
As a side note, Kana itself was derived from Kanji, and was a "simplified" form. I'm not sure how the Korean language evolved, but they too use a mixture of Chinese characters and their own phonetic characters. (Although it's rarely seen... the only areas I've seen Kanji in Korea were in a few signs, and occasionally in newspaper headlines.)
If you had RTFA you would know that it only takes power to refresh the screen not to maintain a static image. So the battery life is 10,000 pages whether you flick through one a second, or spend an hour on each page.
Any electronic device that uses such a trickle of current that batteries can last for months -- is an electronic device that should be powered by built-in solar cells. Indeed, this particular gadget appears to be frugal enough that if you have enough light to READ its text, then you probably have enough light to power it.
I can also jump anywhere in the book based on percent, so if I can remember where things are in the book based on the percentage (not unlike remembering approximate page numbers in a dead tree book) then I can jump to that area very quickly.
It is also nice how the book stays on the same page when you "close" it (quit the program) and them "open" it again (open the program). Say hello to the end of traditional bookmarks and/or dogeared pages. :D
I can't imagine why this bookreader would be any different...
Incidently, reading eBooks on a PDA is great for reading on a train (such as those you find in Japan). You can read one handed and use the scroll buttons to flip the "pages" (great when you are standing up and have to hold on to a handle)...
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They, (actually, we :) had encountered the Indian writing system about the same time as Kanas were invented. But it did not contribute to the Japanese writing system. Indian writing systems, being syllabic, indeed well suited to transcribing Japnese. Also, the majority of the intellectuals in those days being Buddhist monks, some of whom were familiar with the Indian wrting system, adopting a writing system derived from an Indian system might have happened if they were willing.
However, it did not happen. The Japanese already had a system of transcribing their syllables in Chinese characters, called Man-you gana. Hiragana and katakana were different ways of simplifying that Man-you gana.
A benefit of this development, or more precisely the fact that the Japanese used the Chinese characters to transcribe their language was that it allows us to figure out the pronunciation of Japanese in those days.
On the other hand, the knowledge of Indian writing system did contribute to the Japanese culture in the form of the table of 50 sounds. That was inspired by how syllables are arranged in Indic grammer, especially Sanskrit. Columns of consonants and rows of vowels, arranged to reflect the positions of vocal organs when a syllable is pronounced. This table, too, tells us how the syllables were pronounced in those days. So, for example the sounds that are pronounced as "ha" "hi" "fu" "he" "ho" today must have been pronounced as "pa" "pi" "pu" "pe" "po" because the the column for them is placed between "n" and "m". Pretty neat.
Here's a link to the japanese LIBRIE site (http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/LIBRIE/) if you're interested in getting a look at it.
What I've found is that it's no substitute for sitting down with a real book, but it's great when waiting around at the post office, eating lunch, or any time I have some time I'd like to read but may not have planned for and brought a book.
The article and Sony seemed to be concerned with content, with the focus on this product that you can get a cheaper eBook than a real book. That, to me, is not a compelling reason to buy the thing. The collection at the Gutenberg Project would make it compelling for me, and I'm surprised that the eBook world has not embraced that in their marketing. Perhaps it's because consumer technology traditionally enables the sale of "content" (records, DVD's, etc.), and pointing to free content might be a no-no to publishers of current works. But if they wanted to sell the hardware, it would be a pretty gutsy move to advertise "thousands of free classic titles".
It's not wasting time, I'm educating myself.
I'm not terribly knowledgeable about linguistics, but I do know that Korean is written in a bona fide alphabet that separates vowel and consonant symbols (contrast to the two syllabaries {katakana and hiragana} used by Japanese). It's invention is attributed to a king many hundreds of years ago.
Academic Korean writing (I've been told) still uses lots of Chinese characters. I get the impression it's a style/showoff thing.
Like English, with germanic-derived and latin-derived vocabularies combined ["hate" versus "detest"], Korean has "native" Korean words and chinese derived words.
You are considered an eloquent speaker if you use a lot of "chinese character words" -- words derived from the Chinese that in previous decades might have been written with the Chinese characters, but these days are probably spelled out like almost everything else. This is somewhat analogous to English, where the sentences comprised of latin-derived words are usully considered more erudite.
Yes, students spend upwards of $500/semester on books. I do. And I have seen countless occasions where book publishers issue revision after revision, often making changes as minor as just re-ordering the problems at the end of the chapter, just to render the previous revison ( no longer available, reproduction of previous revision forbidden by copyright law ) obsolete, forcing teachers to adopt the new version, also rendering student's investment in the earlier version a sunk cost.
Think its gonna be cheaper to "lease"? We already do. Cost of reproduction is not that much. Geez, if printing is so expensive, how can you justify the literal tons of printed junk mail generated daily?
For my stuff, I generally keep my books anyway. Geez, they are the ones I fall back to when I am trying to remember some little quirk in Control Theory or some obscure little DSP goodie I remember my professor talking about. I even still have my books discussing control theory algorithms using Vacuum Tubes!!! Although the mechanizations change, the basic ideas are identical. I see over and over again where often things get way, way, way more complicated than they need to be. I can perform integration with a fullbore DSP. I can also do it with a capacitor. Or, I might use a combo approach to use the digital side to store constants which compensate for analog tolerances. But then, think of all the techniques I was taught that I would lose reference to if my books expired!
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