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Swedish Carbon-Fiber Stealth Ship Runs NT

tiled_rainbows writes "The Guardian has an article today about the Swedish navy's new stealth warship, which they claim is the largest carbon-fiber vessel ever built. Slashdotters will be interested to learn that the ship runs Windows NT. The article says 'While the point-and-click system is popular with conscripts, the ship was fitted with a wooden ship's wheel at the insistence of senior officers. If Windows goes down, they will still be able to steer.' Which raises the question: where can I get a USB-compatible wooden ship's wheel for my computer?"

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  1. In other news... by trp642 · · Score: 5, Funny

    US Navy develops new Sasser Torpedo to protect us from Swedish terrorists. Bush feels they are hiding WMD's. Swedish Chef is quoted as saying "We no heeden dur Weaponden den Massen destructnueden. bork! bork! bork!".

  2. I got your USB ships wheel right here, pal. by YankeeInExile · · Score: 5, Informative

    I realize you were being cutesy, but making a USB ships wheel sounds about like a one-weekend take-it-apart-and-put-it-together project, starting with a shaft-encoded driving-game controller.

    The hardest part would surely be building the binnacle.

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    1. Re:I got your USB ships wheel right here, pal. by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know, the sensor doesn't need to support the wheel :-)

      Skipping the driving controller, you might do better to dismantle a $2.99 optomechanical USB mouse for its optical sensor and USB interface.

  3. USB? Hazza! by Ckwop · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where can I get a USB-compatible wooden ship's wheel for my computer

    I doubt it's USB since NT4 doesn't support USB.. :P Probably PS2 or a Serial connector :)

    Simon

    1. Re:USB? Hazza! by Throtex · · Score: 5, Funny

      All Winston Churchill quotes are 'old'. I'd surely be impressed if he were making any new ones.

    2. Re:USB? Hazza! by fizban · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or as they're saying today:
      "Traditions! What traditions? Rumsfeld, sodomy and the lash"

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  4. BSOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    THe bluescreen sunk my battleship!

  5. Movie idea by BorgDrone · · Score: 5, Funny

    This gives me a great idea for a movie: "Speed 3: Dead in the water".

    1. Re:Movie idea by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They must have divided by 0 in kernel space to bomb the OS.

      NT get chosen for stuff like this because it's easier for them to support special hardware by writing and maintaining drivers, not a particular monolithic kernel that slashbots would recommend.

      Frankly, who cares. This would be a story about some really cool tech (an enormous, "invisible" boat) but instead its an OS flamewar.

      Bah, slashdot isn't a "news for nerds" or a "geek" site anymore, it's just a soapbox for OSS philosophy.

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  6. Sinking squared by SilverGiant · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who knew--a ship that could crash twice.

  7. BSOD by PhuckH34D · · Score: 5, Funny
    well... blue is an excellent camouflage color on the water...

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  8. Support ? by Alcoyotl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IIRC, Microsoft was bound to stop support on windows NT 4. Are there any kind of provisions for systems such as this, which is going to be in service for quite some time? Or will the Swedish Navy be on its own if some glitch appears ?
    I know that using an old an proven operation system is better because all major bugs have been either wiped out or referenced, still I'm not sure that using a closed source unsupported OS is the smartest way. But maybe they know better ?

  9. Doesn't carbon fibre burn? by s20451 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not a materials scientist, but I would imagine that carbon fibre can burn. A huge advantage of steel is that it may weaken under heat stress, but it will never contribute to a fire, which is one of the gravest threats to a warship in combat.

    The British learned this lesson the hard way in the Falklands. In that case the new building material was aluminum, which can actually burn when it gets hot enough. This contributed to the loss of several ships which suffered massive fires after being hit by Argentinian aircraft. As a result, not only in the UK but in navies around the world, new naval ships are built entirely out of steel.

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    1. Re:Doesn't carbon fibre burn? by madpoet_one · · Score: 5, Informative

      As someone who worked in a carbon fiber development lab in the eighties, I will agree that carbon fiber can burn.

      But as the MSDS for carbon fiber points out:

      Flammability classification: Not classified.
      Flash Point/Method: Not known, but very high!
      Auto-Ignition Temperature: Not determined
      Flammable Limits: Lower: Not applicable
      Upper: Not applicable

      Carbon Fiber MSDS link

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  10. Seafoam blue by SilverGiant · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Captain, everything is in order; the heads-up display shows nothing but blue seas ahead."

  11. Re:Corvette by Trigun · · Score: 5, Funny

    You missed the other definition: A $60,000 fiberglass and aluminium penis extension that gets 8 miles to the gallon.

  12. Not Surprisingly by smartin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Shortly after they installed nt, all the rats on the ship disappeared.

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  13. Pictures of Visby by bjornhi · · Score: 5, Informative

    The boat is named Visby and pics of it can be found here and here /Björn

  14. Hope they do better than the US Navy did with NT by bingbong · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back in May 1997, the US fitted the USS YORKTOWN (http://www.yorktown.navy.mil/ ) with NT and it had disastrous results (http://www.gcn.com/archives/gcn/1998/july13/cov2. htm ) . The ship went DIW (dead in the water) for a few hours. This is the worst case scenario for any ship's captain (and their career)...

    Guess it took this long to work out the bugs... Not bad - only 7 years!

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  15. I can See it Now by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Excuse my lack of Nautical Terms, but you get the idea.

    Navigator: Captain, radar is picking up an iceberg 2 Nautical miles ahead, just off the port bow.

    Captain: No problem, that's plenty of time to steer clear.

    Captain clicks the navigation display on NT

    Clippy: It seems you are trying to steer, what would you like to do?

    • Steer Port
    • Steer Starboard

    Navigator: Captain, Icberg 1 mile ahead

    Captain: (showing frustration) clicks Steer Starboard

    Captain: This should handle it!

    Clippy: How many degrees starboard would you liek to steer?

    • 5
    • 10
    • 15

    Captain uttering swedish curse words, clicks 10 degrees

    Navigator Captain, Iceberg at 400 meters

    Clippy: You clicked Turn Starboard and 15 degrees, it seems you are trying to evade an Iceberg. Windows NE (Nautical Edition) has several new features, just for this.

    Clippy: Would you like to enable the "Evade Iceburg" Wizard?

    Captain: $^@#$#%*, runs up to the wooden ships wheel

    Captain: See, this is why the tried and true method works! turns the wheel

    Windows NE has detected a new device and is unable to find a driver for it.

    Captain: Aha! my son warned me about this, I have the driver right here!

    Windows NE: Windows NE has finished installing drivers for the device "Ships Wheel", in order to use this device you must restart windows. Click here to restart, or if you wish to restart later click cancel.

    Sharks: Break out the hotsauce fellas, here comes dinner

  16. Fire Control by codepunk · · Score: 5, Funny

    Captain: Fire control, engage hostile target 1004 range 2000 yds with 5 inch main battery.

    Fire Control: Sir, unable to engage target 1004 the system has encountered a VB runtime error 91 object variable not set.

    Captain: Engine room ahead all full make turns for
    30 knots.

    Engine Room: Sir we keep getting a RPC failure in the gas turbine controller.

    Captain: All hands abandon ship!

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  17. obvious question by ajrs · · Score: 5, Funny

    does it have minesweeper?

  18. Re:It Can't be steel by dustmote · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a mine sweeper. I'm sure there's a joke here somewhere..


    I know I'm going to karma hell for this joke, but....

    In Soviet Russia(socialist Sweden?), Minesweeper runs Windows!

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  19. I doubt it will be NT for long. by -cman- · · Score: 5, Interesting

    According to what little info is avialable from Janes The ship is one of two which were initially ordered in 1995. Military procurement being what it is, no matter where you go, the ships were probably designed with NT in mind, circa '95. However, I doubt NT will last longer than the first refit or post-sea trials.

    The US and UK navies are both experimenting with a number of computer-control options ranging from MS solutions, to various *nixen. Of course there is the now aporcyphal story of the NT crash that put the USS Yorktown dead in the water. Short answer, it may have been built on the NT platform, but lots of replacement systems exist now and I doubt NT will survive long enough for the ship to enter the active list.

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  20. Re:building materials by drexelmike · · Score: 5, Informative

    Emergency repair isn't an impossible situation to handle. There are plenty of epoxy resin systems that have short (15min) cure times. While I can't imagine that they'd have time to properly vacuum bag it in an emergency, it's not the end of the world if a patch is a bit resin-rich. A simpler and more likly alternative is the use of a room temprature curing pre-preg patch. While it would require refrigerated storage, it's a simple peel and stick solution. These are commonly used in auto racing marketed under the "RhinoPatch" brand name. they gel in 30 seconds and cure in under a minute.