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Xerox Patent Ruled Invalid, palmOne Exonerated

An anonymous reader writes "palmOne has issued a press release, that a court has found that the patent that Xerox was using to sue Palm for its character entry method, and was developed in house, didn't infringe because the patent was invalid." The case was first brought against 3Com Corporation back in 1997 before they spun off the Palm brand name.

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  1. Bad Patent Error by mfh · · Score: 5, Funny

    Error! Your patent is invalid. Press the any key.

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    1. Re:Bad Patent Error by txviking · · Score: 5, Funny

      1 invalid patent down .... n invalid patents to go

    2. Re:Bad Patent Error by black6host · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that be n-1 patents to go? :)

    3. Re:Bad Patent Error by txviking · · Score: 1

      That depends on the meaning of n ...

      (or n-1 for this respect) ...

    4. Re:Bad Patent Error by Nekkrist · · Score: 1

      1 patent is invalid.

      By induction...

    5. Re:Bad Patent Error by horza · · Score: 1

      1 invalid patent down .... n invalid patents to go

      Or: 1 invalid patent down .... n-1 invalid patents to go. Unfortunately the US legal system is non-deterministic, and so you may wish to use quantum theory to try and calculate the time until n=0

      Phillip.

  2. Does this mean Graffiti will make a return? by Insideo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can't stand Graffiti 2... maybe its just because I spent so long using the original Graffiti, but it would make my day if it came back.

    1. Re:Does this mean Graffiti will make a return? by los+furtive · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hear hear! I've been going nuts with my Tungsten E, having owned a Palm IIIe for the longest time before. Even after five months I still make the same mistakes. I refuse to be forced to learn yet another alphabet.

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    2. Re:Does this mean Graffiti will make a return? by jomas1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      You can probably put Graffiti 1 on your Graffiti 2 Palm device. See this link for one method:

      http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_stor y.asp?ID=5830

    3. Re:Does this mean Graffiti will make a return? by Cyberglich · · Score: 2, Informative

      i have upgraded from a IIIc to a t3 and i hated it. Tealscrip (shareware) dose a pretty go job hacking it back till Palmsource cooks up a new firmware (perhaps when 6.0 comes out :) )

    4. Re:Does this mean Graffiti will make a return? by eyrich · · Score: 0

      I agree, I hate g2! I want a patch to put G1 on my T3

    5. Re:Does this mean Graffiti will make a return? by OneDeeTenTee · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you talking about Apple computers or Terminator movies?

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    6. Re:Does this mean Graffiti will make a return? by pauljlucas · · Score: 4, Interesting
      You either love Graffiti 2 or hate it. I too used Graffiti for along time. I always thought some characters were weird, and I never managed to make my letter 'e's such that they'd be recognized as 'e's the first try.

      It took me only about a week to switch my brain to using Graffiti 2, but I like it much better. All of the alphabeting characters can be written "normally" and in lower-case. (Grafitti was a weird mix of upper- and lower-case.)

      My only complaint about Graffiti 2 is that the "puntuation shift" is too involved what with the leading and trailing upstroke. But overall, I like Graffiti 2 much better.

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    7. Re:Does this mean Graffiti will make a return? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      see http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=108499&cid=922 4747

    8. Re:Does this mean Graffiti will make a return? by edbarrett · · Score: 1

      I thought Graffiti was neat in 1995, but after using the Newton 2.0 HWR from later that year on until I retired my 2100 last year, going to the Graffiti-alike on the Zaurus is really, really primitive. From what I've seen of TabletXP, that HWR looks like what I'd really like to use, but then I'd be stuck running XP :)

    9. Re:Does this mean Graffiti will make a return? by jrockway · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's sites like those that make me happy that I spend most of my time on slashdot. Users of those sites seem to always be afraid of doing something illegal. Hence, someone posts an article on how to transfer a file you own to a device you own and everyone cries about how illegal this is and how the host site is going to be sued to death etc. Then someone replies with a comment that says where to get a file (GASP!! HOW ILLEGAL!!!!) and some goody-two-shoes replies with "admin, please delete all links!!!! :( :( :(" and the whole thread is deleted and everyone who posted banned.

      Once, I was participating in a discussion about the CF driver for NX70 Clies and I said something like "If it's too expensive, warez it." I was banned from loading the site!!! Rather than refuting my argument, they just deleted it. Again, when Decuma came out, someone posted a link to a "warez" version. Any reference to that or the fact that the thread ever existed got you banned. What a bunch of fucking babies.

      So anyway, thank you slashdot, for not deleting posts. I'm glad that people are forced to reply and think about their actions rather than just delete anything they don't like.

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    10. Re:Does this mean Graffiti will make a return? by Drooling+Iguana · · Score: 1

      Neither. Everyone knows that G1 refers to the original line of Transformers.

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    11. Re:Does this mean Graffiti will make a return? by Fnkmaster · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Okay, usually I'm willing to say most things are a matter of taste, live and let live and all that. But you've gotta be smoking crack if you think Graffiti 2 is anything other than teh suck. After about half an hour of using my Treo 600, I went on the net, found the instructions for the Graffiti 1 "downgrade" and followed them.


      I don't recall exactly which characters it was, I think it was the 't' and the 'i' that just killed me. The not-quite-one-stroke system feels terribly broken - most of the characters get recognized after one stroke, but a 't' shows up as an 'l' until you do a crossbar, then it disappears and reappears as a 't'... ugh. Likewise with the 'i'. This caused me some serious cognitive dissonance, and I found it far slower than the old one-stroke characters for 't' and 'i' in Graffiti 1. Yes, the middle-screen capital thing is somewhat nice, but didn't matter on my Treo since there is no dedicated Graffiti area (I had to use Graffiti Anywhere to get Graffiti at all on my Treo 600).

    12. Re:Does this mean Graffiti will make a return? by GuanoBoy · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      There's plenty I still can't do - well, haven't bothered to learn - in Graffiti 2.

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    13. Re:Does this mean Graffiti will make a return? by pauljlucas · · Score: 1
      I don't recall exactly which characters it was, I think it was the 't' and the 'i' that just killed me. The not-quite-one-stroke system feels terribly broken
      Uh... but if you write a 't' or lower-case 'i' with a pen and paper, you have to use two strokes. So why is doing it on a Palm device "broken?"
      a 't' shows up as an 'l' until you do a crossbar, then it disappears and reappears as a 't'...
      Who cares? If I'm going along writing, I'm looking at the Graffiti writing area mostly and writing as I would with a pen and paper. Why should I care what the Palm is doing as long as it gets the letters right?
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  3. About time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate fuckin' graffiti 2.

  4. Good news / bad news by jbellis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The good news, I guess, is that a dumb patent got invalidated. The bad news is, it took 7 years. How many small companies could keep up a legal battle that long?

    1. Re:Good news / bad news by dereklam · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The good news, I guess, is that a dumb patent got invalidated.

      I'm sorry, what's dumb about this patent?

      My understanding of the algorithm is that Xerox devides the Graffiti area into 9 ``blocks.'' The recognition algorithm tracks which block the stylus starts in, the end block, and the blocks through which the stylus travels. The recognition is fast and accurate, because each letter is simply an encoding of (start, end, intermediate blocks).

      This algorithm is neither dumb nor obvious. Palm copied PARC's Graffiti alphabet because the algorithm was so elegant.

      Have you tried Graffiti 2? It's slower and less accurate.

    2. Re:Good news / bad news by moviepig.com · · Score: 1
      How many small companies could keep up a legal battle [for 7 years]?

      True (and outrageous) ... but of litigation in general, of course, and not solely patents.

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    3. Re:Good news / bad news by jsebrech · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ofcourse, palm was bought out during the litigation, so you could argue they didn't survive the legal battle.

      The only ones who can survive patent lawsuits are the truly gigantic corporate behemoths like microsoft and ibm. They have the patent portfolio to ensure that they can crosslicense their way out of most of the litigation, and the deep pockets to drag out the court case long enough that the other side gives up, regardless of the merits.

    4. Re:Good news / bad news by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 1
      How many small companies could keep up a legal battle that long?

      Well, 3com could.

      Ok, so it's a small company now though :-)

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    5. Re:Good news / bad news by MartinG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This algorithm is neither dumb nor obvious

      It's not "dumb" maybe.

      But obvious? The trouble is that to one not skilled in the art, everything seems non obvious.

      A good test for obviousness is:

      Can you think of a more obvious method?

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    6. Re:Good news / bad news by LnxAddct · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That algorithm is fairly obvious. Similar algorithms are used all the time in computer science. I even wrote one about 3 years ago, without ever being told anything about such algorithms. If you think about the problem at hand, the solution makes sense. I could have easily made a commercial product using something similar with no knowledge of Xerox's patent. Now if Xerox's source code was stolen and copied, that would be one issue, but simply using an idea and then making it yourself with your own source code, there should be nothing wrong with that. I didn't RTFA but the my understanding is that they didn't steal the source code. Ideas shouldn't be patentable.
      Regards,
      Steve

    7. Re:Good news / bad news by kalidasa · · Score: 1

      That's not how patents work - they are on the process, not the source code.

    8. Re:Good news / bad news by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'm sorry, what's dumb about this patent?

      My understanding of the algorithm is that Xerox devides the Graffiti area into 9 ``blocks.'' The recognition algorithm tracks which block the stylus starts in, the end block, and the blocks through which the stylus travels. The recognition is fast and accurate, because each letter is simply an encoding of (start, end, intermediate blocks).

      This algorithm is neither dumb nor obvious.

      It's obvious, e.g. the graffiti area can discern the position of the stylus with a resolution of, say, 45 along the vertical axis and 90 horizontally. Now, trying to come up with a quick, low processing requirement method of mapping characters leads directly to the question of "how fine a resolution do we need to track?" This then leads to the answer, "if we come up with our own simple alphabet, we can cut it down to as low as a three by three grid". It may not be obvious to YOU, but anyone trying to solve the problem of handwriting recognition would think of it based on the first rule of solving ANY problem: SIMPLIFY.

      The reason graffiti2 sucks so badly is that they were forced to use a decoding method that was neither simple nor elegant, as Xerox claimed a patent on the obvious solution to the problem.

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    9. Re:Good news / bad news by winwar · · Score: 1

      "I'm sorry, what's dumb about this patent?"

      Gee, I don't know, perhaps the fact that the patent has been ruled INVALID? Which indicates that it should never have been applied for (and granted) in the first place. Based on this information, I would be willing to go out on a limb and call it "dumb".

    10. Re:Good news / bad news by AnotherBlackHat · · Score: 1

      This algorithm is neither dumb nor obvious.


      If the patent was only for the algorithm you describe, then I might agree.

      But claim 1 essentially claims any form of reading "unistrokes", converting them to letters, and then displaying them.

      Would someone skilled in the art find it easier to build such a device after reading claim 1?

      I don't think so.

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    11. Re:Good news / bad news by MilenCent · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, what's dumb about this patent?

      Allow me to clarify this, what's dumb about it is that it's a software patent. There are some people who have a zero-tolerance policy for that kind of thing, especially since the length of time it takes a patent to expire in the U.S. poses serious problems for software development. Also, software patents encourage a game in which only monied interests can play, which excludes the majority of open source tinkerers.

    12. Re:Good news / bad news by fatphil · · Score: 1

      Wasn't there a Dr Dobbs competition about 10-12 years ago which included a tutorial on possible solutions to give people a jump start (as they actaully wanted working handwriting recognition out of the winner, not just something that was least crap). I'm sure that concepts like this were mentioned. That would be 3-5 years before the patent by the looks of things.

      FP.

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    13. Re:Good news / bad news by Dolda2000 · · Score: 1
      The algorithm isn't dumb at all, but that's not the issue.

      The patent is dumb because it is a software patent. There are several very good reasons why you should fight software patents.

    14. Re:Good news / bad news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's obvious, e.g. the graffiti area can discern the position of the stylus with a resolution of, say, 45 along the vertical axis and 90 horizontally. Now, trying to come up with a quick, low processing requirement method of mapping characters leads directly to the question of "how fine a resolution do we need to track?" This then leads to the answer, "if we come up with our own simple alphabet, we can cut it down to as low as a three by three grid". It may not be obvious to YOU, but anyone trying to solve the problem of handwriting recognition would think of it based on the first rule of solving ANY problem: SIMPLIFY.

      "Obviousness" in patent law is an objective standard, and not some subjective reconstruction of the claims. To be legally "obvious" there must be written documentation (publications, patents) and/or sworn, signed declarations that provide documentary evidence that the invention would have been "obvious" to one of ordinary skill in the art at the time the invention was made. To say "I knew that ..." after the fact is insufficient for the establishment of legal obviousness. Absent such objective evidence, patent claims are legally non-obvious. Legal terms (e.g., "obvious",) generally do not carry the same meaning as their more commonplace usage.

    15. Re:Good news / bad news by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      "Obviousness" in patent law is an objective standard, and not some subjective reconstruction of the claims. To be legally "obvious" there must be written documentation (publications, patents) and/or sworn, signed declarations that provide documentary evidence that the invention would have been "obvious" to one of ordinary skill in the art at the time the invention was made. To say "I knew that ..." after the fact is insufficient for the establishment of legal obviousness. Absent such objective evidence, patent claims are legally non-obvious. Legal terms (e.g., "obvious",) generally do not carry the same meaning as their more commonplace usage.

      I understand what you're trying to say, but in this case it's not the kind of thing that only seems obvious after someone shows how it's done. This is a case of them patenting the only reasonable approach to simplified handwriting recognition. If you were to plot all the lines used in the Graffiti alphabet, or any other simplified alphabet for that matter, you'd notice the intersections and endpoints of those lines will tend to fall in the center of each square on a standard 3x3 grid. It's not a startling epiphany-- it's obvious. Three "sections" is the minimum resolution necessary to recognize the full alphabet, and the maximum a human can inuitively handle. Three scetions-- left, middle, right; top, middle, bottom. Combine the two and you get a 3x3 grid.

      This isn't by the way, the first time I've seen this. Twenty years ago, a classmate of mine demonstrated handwriting recognition using an Apple 2e and a Koala Pad using the same principle. His alphabet was crude (not quite as intuitive as Graffiti), and the system required that you trace through the grid squares in a very specific order, but it used the same 3x3 grid. There does not exist another simple path to the goal. It's not quite as daft as Amazon's One-Click patent, but it's pretty close! The real question is, is it reasonable to allow patents to effectively lock up huge swathes of algorithmic "solution space" like this? There are too many solutions that are obvious to programmers but are way over a patent examiner's head. Subsequently, we see patents approved solely because the applicant was bold enough (or dumb enough, or self-impressed enough) to patent the obvious.

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    16. Re:Good news / bad news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I understand what you're trying to say, but in this case it's not the kind of thing that only seems obvious after someone shows how it's done.

      Actually, I think that you miss my point. What may be "obvious" to one in the art is legally meaningless if there is no documentary proof of it's legal "obviousness". That is not to say that the patent claims are not "obvious", it is only to say that the legal record before the USPTO (apparently) showed no sign of it to the examiner.

      The objective standard of "obviousness" in patent examintion requires documentary proof, on the record. The idea is to make patent examination objective rather than subjective. The examiner may well have thought that the 'invention' was obvious in the normal sense, but without documentary proof, the examiner must allow the patent.

    17. Re:Good news / bad news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      What part of "Phn'glui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wagn'nagl fhtagn" didn't you understand?

      I love google.

      Results 1 - 2 of about 57 for Phn'glui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wagn'nagl fhtagn. (0.24 seconds)

      Did you mean: Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wagn'nagl fhtagn

    18. Re:Good news / bad news by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      Actually, I think that you miss my point. What may be "obvious" to one in the art is legally meaningless if there is no documentary proof of it's legal "obviousness". That is not to say that the patent claims are not "obvious", it is only to say that the legal record before the USPTO (apparently) showed no sign of it to the examiner. The objective standard of "obviousness" in patent examintion requires documentary proof, on the record. The idea is to make patent examination objective rather than subjective. The examiner may well have thought that the 'invention' was obvious in the normal sense, but without documentary proof, the examiner must allow the patent.

      I see what you're saying. Of course, in this particular case, the court basically said that the examiner was on crack because the claims of the Xerox patent weren't different enough from the cited prior art to justify a whole new patent.

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    19. Re:Good news / bad news by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Funny
      What part of "Phn'glui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wagn'nagl fhtagn" didn't you understand?

      I love google.
      Results 1 - 2 of about 57 for Phn'glui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wagn'nagl fhtagn. (0.24 seconds)

      Did you mean: Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wagn'nagl fhtagn

      Heh. Google rules. No wonder the ancient ones don't come when I call. I shall correct the error at once!

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    20. Re:Good news / bad news by mabinogi · · Score: 1

      It is almost impossible to judge the obviousness of something after it has been done.

      Everything is obvious after the fact.

      The best obviousness test is not "can you think of a more obvious method", it's "How many other people have been doing this for ages, but never thought to patent it because they thought it was obvious"

      It doesn't matter how obvious it is in hindsite, if you were first to think of it, then you get the patent.

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    21. Re:Good news / bad news by servoled · · Score: 1

      It's obvious, e.g. the graffiti area can discern the position of the stylus with a resolution of, say, 45 along the vertical axis and 90 horizontally. Now, trying to come up with a quick, low processing requirement method of mapping characters leads directly to the question of "how fine a resolution do we need to track?" This then leads to the answer, "if we come up with our own simple alphabet, we can cut it down to as low as a three by three grid". It may not be obvious to YOU, but anyone trying to solve the problem of handwriting recognition would think of it based on the first rule of solving ANY problem: SIMPLIFY.

      Simplify eh. There are 26 letters in the english alphabet, since we are creating out own representation of these, we don't have to provide an a system which allows entry of the standard characters and can use any format we wish. We would logically need to represent only 26 combinations, or 5 bits (i.e. 2^5 = 32) to represent each letter. If you were to simplify the problem to the fullest, using 9 bits (i.e. a 3x3 grid) would lead to 512 (i.e. 2^9) possibilities and would be a waste of resources. So why bother with a 3x3 grid when it can be done with only 5 squares? Even adding in numbers and common punctuation marks, there is no reason to jump up to 9 bits of resolution.

      Your simplification argument fails to stand up to its own standards.

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    22. Re:Good news / bad news by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      Simplify eh. There are 26 letters in the english alphabet, since we are creating out own representation of these, we don't have to provide an a system which allows entry of the standard characters and can use any format we wish. We would logically need to represent only 26 combinations, or 5 bits (i.e. 2^5 = 32) to represent each letter. If you were to simplify the problem to the fullest, using 9 bits (i.e. a 3x3 grid) would lead to 512 (i.e. 2^9) possibilities and would be a waste of resources. So why bother with a 3x3 grid when it can be done with only 5 squares? Even adding in numbers and common punctuation marks, there is no reason to jump up to 9 bits of resolution.

      Your simplification argument fails to stand up to its own standards.

      Your argument fails to take into account how the system actually works. You can't just compare the 9 squares grid with a 9-bit number. For one thing, a square can be "entered" more than once while drawing a character; for another, you can't have a continuous line that "hits" only the top left and bottom right square without hitting the middle one too. You've entirely failed to understand the purpose of the grid. Let me explain:

      Characters can be said to consist of four types of lines: vertical (|), horizontal (-), diagonal up (/), and diagonal down (\) . These four lines each have two possible "directions" (e.g. "-" can be left-to-right or right-to-left). A 3x3 grid is the minumum required resolution for accurately mapping those four types of lines. Conveniently, a 3x3 grid is also the easiest for humans to use, as each axis is divided into three parts: left-middle-right and top-middle-bottom. Furthermore, the "pixelation" effect of mapping drawn characters onto a 3x3 grid naturally converts even curved lines into the four simple lines -,|,\, and /. It really is the obvious solution to decoding a simplified alphabet, which (by the way) is what the court ruled!

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    23. Re:Good news / bad news by servoled · · Score: 1

      That is a very good job at describing the patent in question, but the goal was to come up with a simple way to accurately enter characters. Since the requirement for actually recognizing the real english language has been thrown out by being able to make up your own caracters. Why not just assign a bit to a given box and identify the the blocks which have been activated (1) and which have not been activated (0)? That sounds like a much simpler system to me, so why bother with all the complexity of directions and starting and ending points and line identification?

      Characters can be said to consist of four types of lines: vertical (|), horizontal (-), diagonal up (/), and diagonal down (\) . These four lines each have two possible "directions" (e.g. "-" can be left-to-right or right-to-left). A 3x3 grid is the minumum required resolution for accurately mapping those four types of lines.

      Why is 3x3 the minimum? 2x2 can map those lines just as well:

      | = top left to bottom left or top right to bottom right (or vice versa)
      - = top left to top right or bottom left to bottom right (or vice versa)
      \ = top left to bottom right or bottom right to top left
      / = top right to bottom left or bottom left to top right

      Place a circle (or a + sign, etc...) in the exact center which is unresponsive and you avoid any problem of crossing over boxes when moving across the center. Once again, this is a simplier system than the 3x3 system so, naturally it should have been used to satisfy the simplification requirement.

      It really is the obvious solution to decoding a simplified alphabet, which (by the way) is what the court ruled!

      Did you read the decision of the court? I didn't, so I don't know for sure what they ruled. If you did, I'd very much like a link to it so I can read it as well. Also, even if this was ruled obvious by the court, it would have been ruled obvious under the legal definition of the term, and not the everyday laymans definitions of the term which is what you are trying to argue for.

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    24. Re:Good news / bad news by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      Why not just assign a bit to a given box and identify the the blocks which have been activated (1) and which have not been activated (0)? That sounds like a much simpler system to me, so why bother with all the complexity of directions and starting and ending points and line identification?

      Because "lines, endpoints, etc" maps more closely to the latin alphabet, and thus is faster and easier to learn. Arbitrary combinations of bits would be totally abstracted from the letters they represent.

      Why is 3x3 the minimum? 2x2 can map those lines just as well:

      Unless a diagonal line goes precisely through the center, it'll look just like an 'L' shaped line. Draw a 2x2 grid. Now draw a diagonal line through it without looking. Note which squares it goes through and in what order.

      a circle (or a + sign, etc...) in the exact center which is unresponsive and you avoid any problem of crossing over boxes when moving across the center. Once again, this is a simplier system than the 3x3 system so, naturally it should have been used to satisfy the simplification requirement.

      See, you need a "neutral zone" in the middle, at least. But then you have to take into account that people tend to draw lines through the middle of things. With a 2x2 grid you stand the chance of an attempted horizontal line starting just inside the upper bound of the lower left box and "drifting" just above the lower boundary of the upper right box and looking, to the computer, exactly like a diagonal line. Same thing goes for a vertical line. You could introduce a vertical and horizontal "neutral band" between the squares-- but then (combined with the center neutral zone) you've essentially created a 3x3 grid...

      Did you read the decision of the court? I didn't, so I don't know for sure what they ruled. If you did, I'd very much like a link to it so I can read it as well. Also, even if this was ruled obvious by the court, it would have been ruled obvious under the legal definition of the term, and not the everyday laymans definitions of the term which is what you are trying to argue for.

      Actually, I've been unable to find full text of the decision, but based on the quoted text "The prior art references anticipate and render obvious the claim" from it, I look at the prior art. One of the patents it was based on was a method of decoding a written "alphabet" consisting of vertical, horizontal, and diagonal lines. What Xerox had patented was the only simple way of decoding such strokes-- something that the prior art essentially took as a given. They can patent a specific simplified alphabet, but they can't claim any degree of novelty on the method of decoding. When I say "obvious", I mean it in the same way the judge did; that is, when you look at the prior art, the obvious method of decoding is a 3x3 grid, or something so close as to render the 3x3 grid non-patentable. When I say "the only obvious way to solve the problem", I mean it with regard to the prior art, Graffiti, Unistroke, or any other simplified straight-line alphabet. If there had never been such an alphabet patented, then perhaps Xerox would've had a valid patent. I would still think it as obvious as using a FOR loop to count from 1 to 10, but yeah, it'd be harder for a judge to rule "obvious".

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    25. Re:Good news / bad news by danila · · Score: 1

      Well, it turns out you are wrong. The judge decided that it matters how obvious it seems in hindsight. I ruled that the original idea was simple and obvious and thus the patent is invalid.

      This is true in other cases. Even if you are the first one to think of something, you can't get a patent (or can, but it will be overturned) if your idea is obvious. And of course, your suggested criteria is fatally flawed - in modern climate people patent everything that has a shred of originality, regardless of how obvious it is.

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  5. Prior Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    The original patent was assigned to a Sumerian scribe. I guess any license fees should go to Iraq.

  6. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was this patent a bad one? I havn't RTFA, but I would think the specific Graffiti method might be somthing that would be good to patent...

  7. Good! by erroneus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I hated Graffiti 2... long live the original graffiti. Actually, I never stopped using Graffiti because I never upgraded my PalmOS beyond 4.1

    1. Re:Good! by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Note that you mean, literally, 4.1. I was unlucky enough to get an m130 with 4.1.2, which is 4.1 "upgraded" to Grafitti 2.

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  8. Text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    palmOne Wins Summary Judgment Invalidating Xerox's Unistroke Patent

    MILPITAS, Calif., May 21 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- palmOne, Inc. (Nasdaq: PLMO) announced that summary judgment had been issued in its favor dismissing Xerox Corporation's claim that palmOne's former text-entry system, Graffiti(R), infringed a Xerox patent. In a decision released today, Judge Michael A. Telesca of the United States District Court for the Western District of New York held that the Xerox patent was invalid.

    The summary judgment ruling will result in the dismissal of a lawsuit brought by Xerox in 1997 against Palm, Inc. and its former parent, 3Com Corp. Palm, Inc. has since spun off PalmSource, Inc., maker of the Palm OS(R) platform, and acquired Handspring, Inc. to form palmOne, Inc. palmOne had retained liability for the Xerox matter.

    "We firmly believed that the broad interpretation of the patent, as it evolved in this case, would render the patent invalid," said Mary Doyle, senior vice president and general counsel for palmOne. "We are very pleased that this court has agreed."

    "This is a terrific outcome," said Todd Bradley, palmOne president and chief executive officer. "We've persevered for years to achieve this result and the vindication palmOne deserves."

    The Xerox patent in question is U.S. Patent No. 5,596,656, which covered unistroke symbols. The court held that the patent was invalid because, "The prior art references anticipate and render obvious the claim," or that the unistroke system was not a unique invention.

    About palmOne, Inc.

    palmOne, Inc. delivers what matters most to customers -- whether a single consumer or company of thousands -- enabling users to improve their personal lives and professional productivity through mobile devices and solutions.

    palmOne is the name adopted in October 2003 by Palm, Inc., when it spun off PalmSource, Inc., maker of the Palm OS(R) platform software, and acquired Handspring, Inc. Uniting the Zire(TM), Tungsten(TM) and Treo(TM) subbrands, the creation of palmOne launched a new, stronger market leader in handheld computer and communications hardware and software solutions.

    More information about palmOne, Inc. is available at http://www.palmOne.com .

    NOTE: palmOne, Zire, Tungsten, Treo and Palm OS are among the trademarks or registered trademarks owned by or licensed to palmOne, Inc. or its subsidiaries. All other brand and product names are or may be trademarks of, and are used to identify products or services of, their respective owners.

    SOURCE palmOne, Inc.

  9. The ancient family curse! by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Man, some of these lawsuits get handed down through the generations (computer time). I bet 3Com/Palm/palmOne is glad to see the end of this. In each year's company report, they had to keeping listing it in the Oh Yeah, We're Being Sued section.

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    1. Re:The ancient family curse! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, sometimes lawsuits are passed down from generation to generation. It happened to RKO (the people who make the film King Kong). It got sued out of existance. It took decades, and many of the lawyers who ended up finishing the case were the children and grandchildren of those who started on the case.

  10. Reuters story by ozric99 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Internetnews has this take on the story.

    1. Re:Reuters story by ozric99 · · Score: 1

      Whoops. I have no idea why I titled that post "Reuters story"!
      doh

  11. Ttis i2 qrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ! st1l. hann/t gof us3d to grattit! Z yet,

    1. Re:Ttis i2 qrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol

  12. Graffiti by someguy456 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Now what is Palm doing to do about Graffiti?

    They had previously let go of Graffiti and developed their own Graffitti2. and made everyone learn new keystrokes. If they go back now, everyone who learned Graffiti2 is not going to be happy However, I'd be willing to bet that not everyone has upgraded, and many, if not most, are still using Graffiti1. Maybe they will include both, and have the user decide?

    1. Re:Graffiti by magsilva · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They could offer both options, Graffiti and Graffiti2, so you could select the one that best fit you. I'd love that, Graffiti works much better for me.

    2. Re:Graffiti by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful
      If they're smart, they'd piss off that small group of people who like Grafitti 2 and go back to G1. I always hear the same thing: G2 is easier to learn for people who've never used a PDA, but G1 only takes a little longer and is much faster and more accurate for the rest of the life of your device.

      I will not buy another G2 Palm. Right now, there are viable options (such as TealScript) to give owners of newer units G1 capability, but as with any closed source application and OS combination, it will only continue to work for as long as it's updated to work with new systems. As soon a TealPoint gets tired of supporting it, the product dies, and I lose the possibility of updating to newer hardware and actually being able to use it.

      I've tried and tried to get used to G2, but I just can't. If Palm re-adopts G1, I will continue to buy their devices. If they don't, I'll go back to using a DayRunner (which accepts any handwriting style and has a place to put my checkbook).

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    3. Re:Graffiti by DdJ · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I had Graffiti when it was a separate product for Apple's Newton and General Magic's Magic Cap systems. I had a Palm III, Visor DX, and Visor Pro, running PalmOS. Now I've got a Palm Tungsten T3.

      The Tungsten T3 ships with Graffiti 2. It's IMHO awful.

      Here's an example of how: The letter "t" is done by a vertical top-to-bottom stroke followed by a horizontal left-to-right stroke. You can do them in either order. The letter L is done by a vertical top-to-bottom stroke. A space is done by a horizontal left-to-right stroke. What happens when you want to begin or end a word with the letter L? Bad things. There are habits you can learn to avoid problems, but it's much more difficult (for me) than Graffiti 1 was.

      There's a set of files you can install on a Tungsten T3 or other Graffiti 2 handheld to make it start using Graffiti 1. I've got it installed. It makes the system usable for me.

      Now, some of the Graffiti 2 patterns are actually better than Graffiti 1. For example, I can more reliably write a "G" with Graffiti 2 than with Graffiti 1. And some symbols were entered by writing something other than numbers in the numeric area, which was faster than the normal "dot prefix" method from Graffiti 1, and wasn't unreliable or aggravating.

      Having a global preference to switch between Graffiti 1 and Graffiti 2 would be a good thing. It's even what the Newton was doing near the end there -- there were multiple recognition systems and you could switch between them.

      But even better would be if it could be done on a character-by-character basis. For each letter, give me a list of strokes and let me put checkboxes next to the ones I want to enable.

    4. Re:Graffiti by cvd6262 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Personally, I like the way other systems, including my Sharp Zaurus, do handwriting input. First, they offer several single or multiple stroke inputs for each letter, then they give you the option on making you own.

      The Zaurus even has a utility that lets you draw a stroke and it will tell you the three characters it most resembles, and the percentage of ressemblance. I used to think the keyboard on the Zaurus was the best input method, but I find a customized hand writing input just as effective.

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    5. Re:Graffiti by jayhawk88 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They'll start offering both. Maybe they drop G2 the next time their licensing from Jot comes around, but I can't imagine thats costing them that much money. In truth there is very little difference between G1 and G2. T's, I's, V's, and making punctuation are the major ones. Long time Palm users had a lot of fun bitching about the change, but realize these are the same people who throw a shit-fit every time the size or shape of the stylus changes by more than a millimeter.

    6. Re:Graffiti by mattdm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had Graffiti when it was a separate product for Apple's Newton and General Magic's Magic Cap systems.

      Which was *before* any date associated with the Xerox patent. I remember checking that when this first came up on slashdot several years ago. I don't understand why this case wasn't over in five minutes -- all they would have needed to do was bring in the box for the original software, show the copyright date to the judge, and everyone coul go home....

    7. Re:Graffiti by phillymacmike · · Score: 1

      Is it likely that Palm, right at the end of one 7-year curse for patent infringement, will copy someone else's handwriting input system?

      The Zaurus system sounds very powerful and flexible, but the chances are very good that parts of that system are protected under various patents too.

      It would take a lot of user feedback to get Palm to license ya third-party system, even if it works better especially since they've already paid for a second system.

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    8. Re:Graffiti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is definitely what they should do. I can't stand Graffiti2, but I know others who love it.

      For now I've made do with the hack to get G1 onto my Zire 71 (no clue if it works with newer T3s or 72s), but it'd be nice to not have to resort to unsupported hacks just to choose my recognition system.

    9. Re:Graffiti by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Incidentally Graffiti was also a product released for the Tandy/Casio/GRiD Z-PDA 7000/GRiDPad 2390, and you can use that version under GEOS on other devices, like the GRiDPad 1910.

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    10. Re:Graffiti by Trillan · · Score: 1

      TealScript is better than either, giving a lot of what you want, but unfortunately it isn't well integrated. It contains most of both sets of strokes, and has much better accuracy. I would like to see PalmSource add the hooks for it.

    11. Re:Graffiti by pruss · · Score: 1

      I think Palm said that even if they win this lawsuit, they're not going back to Graffiti 1. It would be nice if at least they gave users permission to copy the Graffiti 1 files from a device that has them.

    12. Re:Graffiti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's easy to install Graffiti 1 on any OS 5 Palm PDA. See other posts for how-to. Plus there is TealScript.

      TealPoint will probably support it for a long time, and if they don't, there will still be Jot and others. Maybe even some GPL thing by then. And maybe Palm will bring back Graffiti 1 (now that they can do so without danger).

      So, why not wait until you actually can't use Graffiti 1 anymore before going back to DayRunner?

    13. Re:Graffiti by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      It's easy to install Graffiti 1 on any OS 5 Palm PDA.

      ...and it seems to be impossible to install Graffiti 1 on a Palm OS 4 unit, like my m130.

      Well, the biggest reason is that I don't have a lot of time to mess with it. When the day comes that I can't using G1 anymore except by buying old units, I'll have to switch. I want that to happen on my own schedule, and not when my current PDA just died catastrophically and I need to have all of that information in portable form for a business trip the next day.

      I guess that I see it as dying technology, at least for me. I don't want to invest too much more in a system that I don't have much confidence in.

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  13. Invalid Invalid Invalid by MajorDick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seem to me more and more patents are being ruled as invalid, If this is indeed the case why are they being assigned in the first place ?

    When Edison patented many of his inventions they were as new and as alien as anything could be. Patent examination on these must have been pretty easy, even considering the entire process was manual.

    I wonder how many patents would stand up to a further examination.

    This deluge of bogus patents would seem to me to effect even the valid ones. If I tommorow came up with say a TRUE Anti-Gravity machine it would seem that everyone and their brother would try to get it invalidated for their own use. And I'm sore some people have patented Anti-Gravity machine that dont actually work, would these invalidate a patent that did actually work ?

    I dont belive patents are bad, quite to the contrary I belive them neccesary, I think its their enforcment and their use in bullying that is wrong. If I come up with a whole new concept I would sure as hell want it protected. But as I said before the deluge of bogus patents would seem to put the whole process in question

    1. Re:Invalid Invalid Invalid by miffo.swe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Many of the parents wore just not possible before someone came up with a easy way to produce and store electricity. Many of the "inventors" wasnt the ones coming up with the ideas, just the first to patent them. Take Marconi as a nice example of how "good" patents worked back then.

      Patents have always been a mess and i dont think any groundbreaking inventions can be said to stem from the patenting system. Military has been the biggest driving force behind new inventions.

      The older the better or just selective history?

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    2. Re:Invalid Invalid Invalid by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It seem to me more and more patents are being ruled as invalid, If this is indeed the case why are they being assigned in the first place ?

      With the number of patent applications coming in, it is hard to validate every single one of them completly, not to mention costly. Also remember that things that shouldn't be patentable, IMO, such as software and business models are. The patent clerks don't know everything that is going on in the world, so won't always find prior art in the time allocated.

      For the government it is cheaper to let the patentee and the 'infringing' party to fight over it in court.

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    3. Re:Invalid Invalid Invalid by _|()|\| · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It seem to me more and more patents are being ruled as invalid, If this is indeed the case why are they being assigned in the first place ? ... I wonder how many patents would stand up to a further examination.

      There are those who would see this as a vindication of the current system. What's the harm in issuing bad patents when they are inevitably invalidated? I do not share this veiw. Palm has obviously been damaged by Xerox's patent aggression: the cost to license Jot, the R&D and marketing to incorporate it into the product, and the consumer confusion, to say nothing of the effort to actually invalidate the patent.

      Until its incentive structure changes, the patent office will continue to hand out patents like leis at a luau. A recent Slashdot article notes that Microsoft is applying for ten a day. That's called working the system (or, as those who have already worked the system say, catching up). I'm willing to believe that a few tens of thousands of the world's highest paid engineers can come up with a few novel ideas, but I also believe that Edison was too liberal in his assessment that genius is only 99% perspiration.

    4. Re:Invalid Invalid Invalid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ah yes, Marconi, the guy who didn't invent the radio. His patent has failed to win against Nickola Teslas prior art 3 times in the courts. (It hasn't won against Tesla once that I know of.)

      Seems that Teslas paper on wireless telography was published in Italy (and in Italian) 3 years prior to Marconi's device. (It was published in several European countries in native languages.)

      Tesla even demonstrated the application of wireless telography at a worlds fair by using it to make a light go on/off. Though he didn't try morse code with it, or if he did, none of the fairgoers watching it noted it as such. (They probably couldn't read morse code if you hit them upside the head with a morse signal manual.)

      Patents have been a screwy thing since a week after they started, maybe before. The only real difference is the level of stupidity of the new patent laws and examiners.... (I still think it's total BS that companies can patent something everyone knows they didn't create, and we have prior art going back thousands of years at least. Aka, Human DNA.) (Oh well, it's not as bad as US Copyright laws have gotten in a number of ways. yet...)

    5. Re:Invalid Invalid Invalid by RickHunter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It seem to me more and more patents are being ruled as invalid, If this is indeed the case why are they being assigned in the first place ?

      Its simple. The guidelines the patent office works with say that they are to assume a patent is valid unless clear evidence to the contrary is presented. If its invalid, the courts will sort it out. This maximizes their revenue, which is based on patents approved.

      Juries in patent cases, OTOH, are (or possibly were) given guidelines telling them to, if there was any doubt, assume that the patent was valid. As if it was invalid, the patent office wouldn't have granted it, right? This is why the vast majority of bogus patent challenges go to the patent-holder in the first round and the inventor (*) on appeal.

      (*) - Inventor as the person who actually designed and built the device is almost never the patent-holder these days.

    6. Re:Invalid Invalid Invalid by pauljlucas · · Score: 1
      Patents have always been a mess and i dont think any groundbreaking inventions can be said to stem from the patenting system.
      Uh... the transitor was patented by AT&T. The almost immediate groundbreaking thing developed with them was cheap, portable radios. Companies sold lots of them. Pocket-sized radios were the iPods of the day.
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    7. Re:Invalid Invalid Invalid by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'll bet that if the USPTO was made liable for the legal costs of successfully invalidating a patent, they'd be a LOT more careful about granting bad patents.

    8. Re:Invalid Invalid Invalid by JohnQPublic · · Score: 1

      Its simple. The guidelines the patent office works with say that they are to assume a patent is valid unless clear evidence to the contrary is presented.

      Then again, maybe not. From last Sunday'sWashington Post Style section:

      LIFE IS SHORT | Autobiography as Haiku

      Sunday, May 16, 2004; Page D01

      Like sifting for gold, patent examining can be a scrupulous activity. I mutter my mantra . . . find a way . . . find a way . . . there must be a way. My eyes scan documents and reference books with a determined fluidity. My brain wheels churn in frustration. Pausing for a moment, I gently massage my right wrist with my left thumb. In the background, I can hear the steady beat of my clock. Tick. Tick. Tick. Finally, as 12 strikes, I see it. A sly smile grows on my face, and my eyes gleam. Smelling success, I reach for the stamp. REJECTED.

      Sindya Narayanaswamy

    9. Re:Invalid Invalid Invalid by ThisIsFred · · Score: 1

      It seem to me more and more patents are being ruled as invalid, If this is indeed the case why are they being assigned in the first place?

      Because the USPTO gets revenue from patent applications. The whole system is set up to encourage volume and not quality. I'd say that a smart way to show the damage done by junk patents is to show that the cost of the court proceedings is at least as much as the revenue generated. I'm not saying that this is the case, but I suspect that it eventually will be, and the point can be made that even though they both cost the taxpayer, one of the ways clogs up the courts and costs people jobs (because company finances are being allocated to fight unnecessary legal battles).

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    10. Re:Invalid Invalid Invalid by MajorDick · · Score: 1

      Hmm, lets see Edison patented the phonograph, his patent specifically stated it was side to side vibration of the stylus/needle. Path and some others lisenced this patent, others like Victrola decided a run around on the patent, they maded it an up and down motion of the stlus, circumventing the patents and it still carries through to the Vinyl pressed today.

      MANY Major innovations have been not only a result of the patent but finding a way around the patent and actually coming up with a BETTER way to do it as a result

    11. Re:Invalid Invalid Invalid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YES! Increase their budget, but arrange things so that they get paid exactly the same whether or not they grant a patent. Then make it possible for them to be somewhat liable if they accept a bad patent.

      You don't want to set up a situation where there is no upside for them to grant a patent, plus a huge possible down side; then they would tend to not grant anything. But it would be nice to have some feedback in the system.

      I'd also like to see them consider input from the public on possible patents. Do they do that already?

    12. Re:Invalid Invalid Invalid by mkldev · · Score: 1
      Actually, that's not entirely true. In fact, it's backwards, and thus the conclusions are quite wrong.

      First, Edison's method involved vertical deflection. It was abandoned long ago, not because of patents, but because the quality sucked and the reliability sucked worse.

      Vertical needle deflection is ineffectual for two reasons. First, dust tends to gather in the bottoms of the grooves. Second, the needle sits at the bottom of the groove and is weighted to press down on the bottom. With vertical deflection, the very act of deflecting the needle ends up re-etching the recording surface over time, rendering the record useless.

      The modern side-to-side deflection was the obvious solution to the problem, since a sharp needle no longer needed to be pushed downwards under pressure against the actual recording surface, but could instead be deflected horizontally against much lower resistance.

      Modern (stereo) records actually combine the two methods. They have dual slanted needle deflections. Each channel is encoded on one of those slanted axes, thus giving you stereo separation by virtue of the axes being roughly perpendicular to each other. And, of course, the bottom of the groove isn't a recording surface, so to a large extent, you still get the long-term viability of a horizontal deflection.

      We now return you to your regularly scheduled patent discussion.

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  14. Dear god.. by Curtman · · Score: 5, Funny

    The summary judgment ruling will result in the dismissal of a lawsuit brought by Xerox in 1997 against Palm, Inc.

    1997?! Thats 7 damn years ago. Please God, don't let this SCO thing go on that long. Finish them off with a bolt of lightning right now.

    1. Re:Dear god.. by k98sven · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thats 7 damn years ago. Please God, don't let this SCO thing go on that long. Finish them off with a bolt of lightning right now.

      That bolt just struck. IBM requested Summary Judgement this week. If it's granted, Linux will be in the clear, and IBM will have a field day with some of their Lanham-act counterclaims.

      Not to mention the DaimlerChrysler and AutoZone cases will fall like the houses of cards that they are. Red Hat should have an easy time with their case. And the Novell case is already not-unlikely to be dismissed.

      The question is, who is going to go on propping up SCO once Linux is out of the picture, and there's just a Kamikaze attack on IBM, hardly likely to leave a dent, left.

    2. Re:Dear god.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lightining bolt! lightining bolt! death! death!

    3. Re:Dear god.. by phoenix.bam! · · Score: 1

      The DaimlerChrysler and AutoZone cases have nothing to do with LINUX. Those cases are about those companies taking the SCO library and running that library on another OS (which just happens to be linux). The two cases are over a possible breech of contract and not about linux directly. (I do think this is part of an anti-linux campaign, but legally it has nothing to do with linux directly.)

    4. Re:Dear god.. by Xtifr · · Score: 1

      No. The D-C suit is about D-C's failure to respond to an audit request, and will fail for various reasons I won't go into here. The Autozone case, though, is about using SCOG's copyrighted code, and most definitely is about Linux. SCOG themselves even had the termerity to ask that one of IBM's amended counterclaims[1] related to copyright be put on hold until the Autozone case is resolved, claiming that the Autozone case will settle all questions of copyrights in Linux.

      [1] The same one that IBM is asking for summary judgement on.

    5. Re:Dear god.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Now I know I'm not normally a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me, Superman!"

  15. Graffiti2 to Graffiti1 fix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there a fix for devices like the Clie to return it to using the original Graffiti pen strokes?
    Graffiti2 is bloody awful - especially the letter 'i' which requires 2 strokes instead of one and is misinterpreted over half the time as another letter.

    1. Re:Graffiti2 to Graffiti1 fix? by Trongy · · Score: 5, Informative
      Is there a fix for devices like the Clie to return it to using the original Graffiti pen strokes?

      Yes there is a way. You have to get the Graffiti1 files from a Palm OS 5 device such as the Palm Tungsten T.

      This article explains how.

      The letter i in Graffiti2 is really anoying, also k and t are a pain. Making x a two stroke character is acceptable only because it occurs so infrequently in English.

    2. Re:Graffiti2 to Graffiti1 fix? by timcrews · · Score: 2, Informative
      The program TealScript (www.tealpoint.com) lets you create any set of strokes you want, including the original Grafitti. When I originally heard about the Xerox suit, I became intrigued by the real unistroke alphabet, which is drastically and obviously different than Grafitti. See http://sandbox.parc.xerox.com/parctab/csl9501/node 4.html

      I used TealScript to create a profile that allows me to write using the Xerox unistroke alphabet. After years of use, I have become more proficient. It is indeed faster than Grafitti and much less error prone, because each character is very easily distinguishable from all other characters.

      I personally find the FITALY keyboard (www.fitaly.com) to be far faster than any handwriting recognition (5x-10x). I do have accuracy problems, but even taking the time for error correction into account, I would estimate I am 3 times faster with FITALY than with unistroke character recognition.

      There's obviously something I don't know about how to create a hyperlink in a slashdot post, since all of the above three links are pointing to slashdot somehow. Sorry about that. The displayed text of the URLs is correct. I used the A HREF tag to create them. I did not find any info in the FAQ on how to do this.

    3. Re:Graffiti2 to Graffiti1 fix? by fatphil · · Score: 1

      They claim on http://www.fitaly.com/fitaly/ofkey.htm that they're trying to minimise finger movement, and yet in their numeric analysis they _only_ look at the individual letters' frequencies and _not_ digraph or trigraph frequency.
      If they had, then they would realise that the "h" should abutt both "t" and "e", which is possible by swapping "a" and "t", and "l" and "h", for example (IIRC - I'm doing this from memory).

      2 minutes with a genetic algorithm and a modern English language corpus would have been all you'd need to come up with a near-optimal layout.

      FP.

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    4. Re:Graffiti2 to Graffiti1 fix? by jooon · · Score: 2, Funny
      Making x a two stroke character is acceptable only because it occurs so infrequently in English.

      Not if you are searching for porn.

  16. Depends on the Jot license by _|()|\| · · Score: 1

    Grafitti 2 is based on Jot. If the license is fully paid up, I don't see Palm going back to the original Grafitti.

  17. OS Call To Arms by LaBlueCow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do I hear an open-source movement in the making? Art and math geeks devising a new free-as-in-beer method of defining strokes -> letters/numbers/symbols, then creating a tiny footprint massively portable OS for palm devices that can be flashed in over the existing palm OS?
    Sounds like a plan to me.

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    1. Re:OS Call To Arms by pauljlucas · · Score: 1
      Art and math geeks devising a new free-as-in-beer method ...
      I don't know what open-source method you're talking about, but the one most people know and love is free as in speech, not beer. (Whether it's free as in beer is largely irrelevant.)
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    2. Re:OS Call To Arms by sunya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but as we all know, free beer leads to free speech :)

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    3. Re:OS Call To Arms by LaBlueCow · · Score: 1

      Hmm... quite right, my mistake.
      Well, perhaps free-as-in-speech-under-the-influence-of-beer? ;)

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  18. Howto: Replace Graffiti 2 with Original Graffiti by jomas1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't know how to make my link work.

    Here is the meat of the graffiti switch article from Palminfocenter if you want to use graffiti 1 instead of graffiti 2:

    Step 1
    Use a handheld that has the original Graffiti system installed , Use a handheld file manager, such as FileZ, to locate the following files (You will need to check the ROM box, as the files are stored in the device ROM):

    Graffiti Library.prc, size: 30k, creator: grft
    Graffiti Library_enUS.prc, size 22k, creator: grft

    Step 2
    Beam or copy the above 2 files to the target handheld you want to install original Graffiti on.

    Step 3
    Preform a soft reset (simply press the devices reset pin), and you're set to start enjoying original Graffiti again.

    PIC tested this procedure with a Tungsten T and were able to successfully install Graffiti over Graffiti 2 on a Tungsten T2, Zire 71, Tungsten C and a Sony Clie NX80V. Other models that run Palm OS 5 should also be compatible. Even after the replacement the write anywhere on screen feature of Palm OS 5.2 still function as normal, even on the Tungsten C. The on-screen Graffiti reference also reverts back to the original guide.

  19. Re:Convince me to try Linux by datadriven · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It won't cost you anything to try again. Visit linuxiso.org

  20. Done! by mfh · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Okay I posted a new journal. :-)

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  21. What is it with Xerox ... by TheGavster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems that a lot of really nifty things (the mouse, the desktop, and apparently Graffiti) were developed at Xerox, and never produced. Then someone else says "wow, that's stunning" and makes millions off of it. Its not like Xerox lacks the resources to go after these things, more like the ambition. It seems like a perfect case of "we want a monopoly on this, not because we have any intention of even trying to produce it" patents, as opposed to the "I've got this cool idea, but my lottery investment strategy has yet to pay off, would someone like to license it" patents.

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    1. Re:What is it with Xerox ... by julesh · · Score: 1

      Xerox spent a fortune on R&D in the early eighties. A huge volume of the ideas behind modern computing came out of their Palo Alto Research Center. The problem was, the place was managed by researchers, who didn't have the vision on how to commercialise the products. So the actual engineers started quitting and building their own companies to produce the stuff they'd designed.

    2. Re:What is it with Xerox ... by JohnQPublic · · Score: 1

      Xerox ran some of the last remaining pure-research corporate labs, and the Palo Alto Research Center (PARC) was one of them. IBM Research was another such outfit, and like Xerox it is a major generator of patents. Pure research isn't about producing commercial products (that's applied research), it's about investigating interesting stuff and increasing the world's knowlege base. They payoff to a sponsoring company for that (in the USA, anyway) is the exclusive ownership of some of those results for a limited period of time.

      You could say the same thing about Hewlett-Packard, at least in the old days. While it didn't have a pure-research operation, it did frequently grant rights over on-the-job creations to the staff who made them, when the business turned out not to be interested in commercializing the result.

    3. Re:What is it with Xerox ... by pauljlucas · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It seems that a lot of really nifty things ... were developed at Xerox, and never produced.
      I've heard similar things about IBM Research. While they've not patented everything they've invented, they've invented lots of stuff. But a lot of that stuff never made it to market as products.

      My theory is that this sort of thing tends to happen with large companies that have research divisions. (A notable exception is AT&T which I'll get back to in a bit.) My theory as to why this happens is that management either doesn't "get it" for a lot of the things developed, or is too afraid to take action.

      For the "failure to 'get it'" part, they fail to see how many inventions, as novel as they may be, will be a success in the marketplace. Management in large companies tends to be very short-sighted and often bad predictors of where the market will go.

      For the "too afraid" part, a lot of managers like to keep the status quo because it means low-risk both for the company as a whole and the own careers. No manager wants to sign off on a new product only to have it fail miserably in the market.

      There needs to be a few managers with both vision and guts. If they either sufficiently high-up in the company or have enough convincing power, new products come to market. Sometimes what happens, however, is that they get disgusted with their company's inaction and quit to form start-ups.

      As for AT&T, the reason they've been an exception is because, back in the good old days before divestiture, their research division was focused on doing pure research without any concern for bringing their research to market. They patented lots of things. Indeed, the Bell Labs motto was, "A patent a day," and it was pretty much accurate. However, AT&T never bothered to enforce its patents or sue anybody back then and pretty much gave away their inventions. Why? Because they viewed it as "giving something back" for being allowed to be the benevolent monopoly for the phone company. Of course once divestiture happened, all that changed. It's kind of sad, really.

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    4. Re:What is it with Xerox ... by hak1du · · Score: 1

      It seems that a lot of really nifty things (the mouse, the desktop, and apparently Graffiti) were developed at Xerox, and never produced. Then someone else says "wow, that's stunning" and makes millions off of it. Its not like Xerox lacks the resources to go after these things, more like the ambition.

      Making a successful product is hard. Keep in mind that Apple failed as badly as Xerox itself with their first copycat version (Lisa) of Xerox technology.

      As for Graffiti/Unistrokes, that really wasn't patentable because there was too much prior art (it wasn't invented at Xerox either). Xerox's real contribution was the PARCTab, a very Palm-like device that the Pilot is a pretty blatant clone of.

      There is nothing that can be done about that legally, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. What you can do is keep the history of products in mind: celebrate the original inventors. Don't misattribute things to Microsoft, Apple, Palm, or whoever, that were invented elsewhere.

    5. Re:What is it with Xerox ... by tsangc · · Score: 1

      You could make some MBAesque comment about crossing the chasm or the inventor's dilemma, but it's easier to remind everyone, hindsight is 20/20.

  22. If anybody wants to try out Xerox's Unistrokes by voodoo1man · · Score: 1

    If anybody wants to try out Xerox's Unistroke alphabet, a simple text editor that's trained to recognize Unistrokes is part of the demos that come with Garnet (source comes under a public domain license). Personally, I'm not too impressed, but then again, I find the whole notion of pen computing more of an annoying throwback to the 60s than anything else.

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    1. Re:If anybody wants to try out Xerox's Unistrokes by julesh · · Score: 1

      I wrote an implementation of a Unistroke decoder back in that late nineties. Its a nice alphabet, a little faster to use than Graffiti, although much harder to learn. Graffiti could be seen as a compromise development on it, which I guess is what this was all about.

  23. Use in Open Source projects by sfraggle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does this mean it would now also be possible to develop an Open Source version of graffiti and use it on Linux-based palmtops for free?

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    1. Re:Use in Open Source projects by julesh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unless Palm have their own patents on it, I guess so.

      The Xerox patent was on "unistrokes", a system that was _very_ similar to Graffiti, but is a little simpler to implement, faster to use, and harder to learn.

      Unistroke uses only three types of stroke, a straight line, a curve through 90 degrees and a curve that crosses back over itself, which makes the recognition much easier than graffiti. The system was designed to be quick to use: common sequences of letters alternate in direction, so that you have to reposition your pen less frequently. The drawback is that these two factors mean that a lot of the strokes are non-obvious, bearing little or no relationship to the letter they encode.

  24. For those who don't know... by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...here is how bad Graffiti 2 is. Why you write 't' the first stroke is an 'i'. When you make the horizontal stroke it sends a 'backspace' followed by a 't' to correct the incorrect 'i'. You can imagine how many applications are messed up by this. But it's worse: 'i' followed by a space (a horizontal stroke) is a 't'. So you have to wait between the 'i' and 'space' to make sure it doesn't come out as 't'. Please, please, pretty please, Palm bring back Graffiti 1. Graffiti 2 is like phoning people by rolling dice and pressing a button every time a digit you want comes up.

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    1. Re:For those who don't know... by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can imagine how many applications are messed up by this.

      I've yet to see one. Please cite your sources while making outlandish claims. I could come up with a thousand hypothetical situations that would "prove" my points.

      Graffiti 2 sucks, but not because it breaks programs, AFAIK.

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    2. Re:For those who don't know... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Informative
      As a stronger example, consider that Palm applications typically allow a lot of penstroke shortcuts to menu commands. You start the shortcut by writing a "/", then the associated letter. For example, the "delete" command often has a shortcut of "/d".

      Now, consider what the poster said about how the letter "t" is generated (except that the first stroke is really a "l" and not an "i"; you write an "i" by drawing an "l" and then dotting it). If your application uses "/t" as a shortcut, that shortcut cannot be written, since the menu-shortcut function accepts the first penstroke of the "t" as an "l" and processes it before you can cross the "t". No matter how fast you try to write "/t", it always gets interpreted as "/l <space>". Sucks to be you if "t" is the shortcut for "take a backup", and "l" is the shortcut for "lose this immediately".

      Did I mention yet in this post that I hate Grafitti 2? I didn't? Oh, then: I hate Grafitti 2.

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    3. Re:For those who don't know... by Ruach · · Score: 1
      err, ummm I have a T|E. If you go to contacts and want to copy a contact you are supposed to do /t.

      I could do it every time I tried until I waited almost a second between the down stroke and the cross stroke.

      It is NOT impossible.

      I never had the joy of a palm device until now so no previous experience. I think G2 is ok. However, I am left handed and wish I could cross my 't' right to left.

      I think your last sentence sums it up: you hate G2. Fine. I think it is ok.

    4. Re:For those who don't know... by jemiller · · Score: 1

      Example of broken app: Palm's own Contacts

      Contacts (address book on earlier versions of PalmOS) has the time-saving feature of autocompletion of common values for some fields. Company, city and state come to mind, there may be more. When I write one letter in the Company field, Contacts fills in a company name that starts with that letter that I have used frequently or recently. When I write a second, Contacts revises its guess.

      With Graffiti 2 on my T3, I can no longer enter a company name starting with T without pain. When I write the downstroke, it autocompletes with a company starting with L. And worse, when I write the cross stroke it leaves the L there, erases the rest of the company name, and adds a T. Try it. There are other, similar examples.

      Graffiti 2 sucks, in part because it breaks programs.

    5. Re:For those who don't know... by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      You can't do Book->Info using keystrokes in Palm's own app, PalmReader, even though Command-Slash 'i' is right there on the menu. I agree with you Graffiti 2 sucks anyway. But it also breaks apps. Any app that accepts keystrokes one by one can be broken by Graffiti 2 as well.

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    6. Re:For those who don't know... by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

      Well, you must have a defective T3, because I have no such problem, even when following your explicit instructions. Is there an update you may have missed?

      I write, and yes the "l" does appear, but when I cross-stroke to make it a "t" it does exactly what I'd expect and erases the "l" replacing it with a proper "t".

      More examples to shoot down?

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    7. Re:For those who don't know... by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

      There must be a patch you guys are missing or something. I tried this one too, and had no problems bringing up info. You do your slash, the little "slash-command" interface pops up, and I write an "i". No problems.

      Hopefully, soon all of this will be moot, though.

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  25. OOps I gotta go by Aliencow · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    My PDA says it's time to Eat Up Martha !

  26. patented invention != invention caused by patents by Adam+J.+Richter · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Uh... the transitor was patented by AT&T.

    But that doesn't show that patent incentive caused or even contributed to the invention of the transistor.

    Evidence of patent incentive contributing to the invention of the transistor might be memos from Bell Labs executives saying that they would kill the project were it not for the potential of patent royalties. (I'm not saying that that is the only form of evidence that you could find. I just want to provide an example.)

    Although I have not tracked the claims down, I've heard it said that Bell Labs's funding was largely the result of the phone company's profit being legally limited. So, if the phone company thought they were going to make too much money in a given quarter, they'd dump it into Bell Labs, which worked on things that were of potential benefit to the phone company, rather than things that were useless to the phone company but could provide substantial patent royalty revenue.

    Even if you show that the patent incentive caused or substantially contributed to the invention of the transistor, that still does not show that patents were worthwhile in this case. To do that, you have to estimate when someone else would have invented the transistor in the absence of patent incentives or with reduced patent incentives and show that the net benefit to society was probably greater with patent incentives of that magnitude.

    To go from the question of whether patents were worthwhile in this positive example to the question of what the patent law should be, you have then measure the benefits in the positive cases (if you do show that they are examples of net benefit) against the costs of the negative cases (things that are patented that would have been invented anyway, patenting of non-inventions, litigation costs, etc.).

    Obviously, this is a big empirical question. When I try to do the "math", I generally find that there are almost no examples of inventions where the patent incentive appears to have brought the invention about substantially faster or better than I think would have occurred without patents, and I see lots of examples of costly negative effects of patents.

    Given that patnets are a deprivation of liberty, I think the benefit of the doubt should be made in favor of having less patent restriction. Adding that factor in, my belief at this time is that patents don't seem to be worth it for the public, in practice.

  27. What happens now? by lga · · Score: 1

    I'm hoping that the new PalmOne will release a software update to put the original Graffiti back on all the palms that don't have it. Perhaps future Palms can have a choice at first boot, Graffiti 1 or 2.

    The real question, is are they going to sue Xerox for all the lost sales when they couldn't offer Graffiti 1?

  28. Re:patented invention != invention caused by paten by pauljlucas · · Score: 1
    I generally find that there are almost no examples of inventions where the patent incentive appears to have brought the invention about substantially faster or better than I think would have occurred without patents
    The big example for patents being incentives are for drugs. Drug companies invest millions to develop a drug and they do it with the full knowledge that they'll be able to recoup their investment due to patent protection.
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  29. Re:patented invention != invention caused by paten by miffo.swe · · Score: 1

    Drug companies was a bad example since they mostly spend their money on antibaldness and wood enhanching. Most serious developing occur on universitys and institutions. The drug companies dont spend much money on basic research, theres no profit there.

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  30. Re:Howto: Replace Graffiti 2 with Original Graffit by Bob+Zer+Fish · · Score: 1

    I think that you want to do this: go to palminfocenter.com

    You use the a href tag: [a href="http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_stor y.asp?ID=5830"]blah blah [/]
    where you swap the [] for the less than and greater than signs. hth

  31. You start - post some code, jackass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PalmOS()
    { // erm, I dunno - I was hoping someone else // would write it
    [ CODE GOES HERE ]
    }

  32. Re:Howto: Replace Graffiti 2 with Original Graffit by jpmkm · · Score: 1

    To make the link work, take the space out of story. Slashcode puts it there so that people can't widen the page.

  33. It's not a stupid patent, but overly general by perkr · · Score: 2, Informative

    The recognition part is not the "core" of the patetnt, the core is a specialized alphabet that 1. allows faster text entry and 2. easy to recognize since it's "unistroke" e.g. one single stroke per character. However the patent is riddiculously general, the recognition part IS 1. obvious and 2. known in the science since the 60s, it's really not novel. And specialized simplified alphabets like Unistrokes have been known since the 17th century in various shorthand alphabets in UK and Germany. So in summary, it's excellent that the patent is invalidated.

  34. Grafitti 2 has bugs by laing · · Score: 1

    If you turn on "autocomplete", it doesn't interoperate well with grafitti 2 when entering characters that require two strokes. I noticed this bug right away when I puchased my T2. Palm support knows about the problem but has no solution other than the "unsupported" one of installing the grafitti 1 libraries from a T1. That's what I did and I've been happy ever since.

    Maybe now Palm will include both entry methods and give the user a choice of which one they want to use.

  35. 1993-10-06 by Kaseijin · · Score: 1

    The Unistroke patent was filed as a continuation of an application from 1993 and thus inherited the earlier filing date.

    1. Re:1993-10-06 by KarmaMB84 · · Score: 1

      That's the funny thing about patents. Continue an earlier patent and modify to fit something another company has done and PROFIT!

  36. Re:Invalid Invalid ... not yet necessarily final by waterbear · · Score: 1

    The party's not necessarily over yet.

    A summary judgment could get overturned on appeal, the case could be remanded back for trial, then trial judgment or verdict could be questioned on appeal, there could be more remands and appeals after that ....... just in case you thought 7 years to summary judgment is slow ..... :-(

    Whether any of this happens depends on how the patentee and its lawyers view the reasons given for summary judgment, and either carry on or drop it.

    -wb-

  37. Obvious, and prior art too by steveha · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This algorithm is neither dumb nor obvious.

    The "dumb" part is that such an obvious algorithm with prior art was granted a patent.

    Palm copied PARC's Graffiti alphabet because the algorithm was so elegant.

    Er, no.

    Graffiti was invented by Palm. Xerox was developing Unistrokes around the same time, and giving lectures about it, and generally not keeping it a secret.

    The patent is not specifically about Graffiti. Xerox basically patented the whole idea of a handwriting recognition alphabet where each letter is a single stroke. And that idea is obvious.

    How can I claim it's obvious? Well, think about it. What's the #1 problem in character recognition on a PDA? Figuring out which stroke is part of which letter. Did the user want to write a 't', or did he want to write an 'i' followed by a '-'? Gee, life is so much simpler with the letters like 'c', 'z', 'o', etc., where there is just one stroke. Hang on... what if all letters were just one stroke? Then we don't need to figure out which stroke is part of which letter!

    Entirely because of the Xerox lawsuit, Palm rolled out Graffiti 2. It's major difference from Graffiti is... not every letter is one stroke. Some are two strokes. It's dumb that they had to do that; there is zero benefit to the consumer here.

    According to the PalmOne press release, the appeals judge ruled that a) this idea is obvious, b) there was prior art, so therefore c) the patent is not valid and PalmOne doesn't have to pay Xerox.

    steveha

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  38. Drugs are specifically an example of problems by expro · · Score: 1
    Drug companies waste huge amounts of money trying to find alternative ways to solve already solved problems so that they can monopolize a drug. Between that and unreasonable FDA requirements, a free economy would seem to have to spend far less to achieve a better result than the current government-granted monopolies.

    My doctor is wined and dined regularly by drug companies pedaling their monopolies. Why would that occur if they really had something new and worthwhile that sold itself.

    I know of numerous cases of carefully scientifically verified alternative treatments that are not sold by drug companies because they are publicly known and cannot be monopolised, and when an existing drug monopoly goes out of patent, they make patentable modifications without improving the drug at all so they can put their marketing muscle behind another monopoly.

    While the research benefits the companies, any help it provides for consumers is grossly overstated and underperforming because the emphasis is on monopoly, just like Microsoft.

    So then we get lots more government regulation to control the spiraling costs of health care and make sure people don't buy drugs from Canada, etc.

  39. Software patents are coming to Europe... by BlueUnderwear · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ... and we're just two European Council votes short of preventing this catastrophe. Even the smallest countries (such as Luxembourg, Malta, ...) can make a difference!

    Lobby your representative before May 27th to prevent the worst!

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  40. that's not what the patent was on by hak1du · · Score: 2, Informative

    You are wrong on several counts.

    My understanding of the algorithm is that Xerox devides the Graffiti area into 9 ``blocks.'' The recognition algorithm tracks which block the stylus starts in, the end block, and the blocks through which the stylus travels. The recognition is fast and accurate, because each letter is simply an encoding of (start, end, intermediate blocks).

    That recognition algorithm (and numerous variants of it) goes back to the 1960's and has been described in standard textbooks and papers (one example is the Ledeen recognizer, discussed here).

    It is also not what Xerox patented. The Xerox patent is not about the recognition algorithm, it is about having the writer indicate when one character ends and another one starts; one instance of that approach is to use a single stroke for each character.

    In fact, many recognizers using this old algorithm happened to also be unistroke recognizers--it's an obvious idea--which is probably why the unistroke patent got thrown out, and that's a good thing.

    Palm copied PARC's Graffiti alphabet because the algorithm was so elegant.

    If only they had, but unfortunately, Palm did not copy PARC's Unistroke alphabet. Unistroke is a much more effective alphabet than Graffiti 1 or Graffiti 2 and not significantly harder to learn.

    Keep in mind that Xerox had a Palm-like device several years before Palm, complete with networking. Furthermore, the original Palm technical staff apparently knew the PARCTab work quite well. With their patent, Xerox was effectively trying to protect some of their pioneering work in this area, but they failed. That's not necessarily bad, since bad patents may be overall worse than no patents at all.

    But keep the history of this in mind: Palm invented very little of what they are shipping. And, to this day, judging by their nearly non-existent publication record, Palm seems to be doing little or no research. Places like Xerox PARC are in trouble, while Palm has more than half of the handheld market. If companies like Palm keep building businesses on other people's ideas but don't invest in research, who is left to pay for the research?

  41. Restore Graffiti1! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope like smeg that this means Palm will put Graffiti1 back in any future PalmOS'!

    Graffiti2 was the suckiest piece of crap I've ever been forced to use. There was one character that needed like, 4 bloody strokes to write!

    I just gave up and used Decuma until I figured out how to get the G1 libraries out of my old PDA.

    I kinda wish Decuma could recognose joined-up handwriting 'tho - I'd dump Graffiti in a second then :P

  42. I got one... by faedle · · Score: 1

    terminal emulators.

    It's real #(%*# annoying. There are also a couple of games (including one frotz implementation) that breaks as well.

  43. Windows doesn't support my hardware. by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    About 4-5 years ago I messed around with Red Hat 6.1 (I believe...forget
    which version exactly).


    4-5 years ago is prehistoric. Why don't you run Windows 95 or Windows 98 First Edition instead of XP?

    I want to run some 5 year old version of Linux about as much as you'd want to run some 5 year old version of Windows.

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  44. Adaptation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Graffiti 2 was difficult to learn and it does have some quirks- but it still works. I like the original graffiti too, but why is everyone complaining about Graffiti 2 when you can now choose between both.
    Please quit complaining, adapt- its still one of the things that we do best

  45. The most recent and most correct post. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Palm absolutely did not use the Unistroke alphabet. Unistroke maximized the character separability in the Unistroke feature space, which led to a set of unusual and non-intuitive strokes. Palm instead choose a set of characters that balanced class seperability with similarity to natural english characters -- this was significantly different than the Xerox approach.

    The whole problem (and the reason for the invalidation) is that the Xerox patent was reapplied to ANY single stroke character set used in a computer context, in an input box. What Xerox ended up owning was the entire concept of a gesture based alphabet. It is VERY VERY good that this patent was invalidated after it's inappropriate application.

    The patent is not dumb, in it's specified context. The application of the patent outside of it's appropriate context was dumb.

    In regards to your specific assertion, you must know that the two technical approaches you list -- (1) the gesture, or path as a function of time, and (2) multi-resolution analysis, as well as their use together, far predate the Xerox claim. *I*, for instance (the great I) was using this approach for gesture analysis in 1986. The specific use of the resolution factor (3 x 3) is hardly patentable. What was patentable were the specific feature set and character set involved, which were not assumed by Palm.

  46. Nah, that is not the way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    All that stuff was swiped by Xerox from Stanford and the University of Utah. See:

    http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~amulet/papers/uihistory .t r.html

    The Mouse: The mouse was developed at Stanford Research Laboratory (now SRI) in 1965 as part of the NLS project (funding from ARPA, NASA, and Rome ADC) [9] to be a cheap replacement for light-pens, which had been used at least since 1954 [10, p. 68]. Many of the current uses of the mouse were demonstrated by Doug Engelbart as part of NLS in a movie created in 1968 [8]. The mouse was then made famous as a practical input device by Xerox PARC in the 1970's

    Windows: Multiple tiled windows were demonstrated in Engelbart's NLS in 1968 [8]. Early research at Stanford on systems like COPILOT (1974) [46] and at MIT with the EMACS text editor (1974) [43] also demonstrated tiled windows. Alan Kay proposed the idea of overlapping windows in his 1969 University of Utah PhD thesis [15] and they first appeared in 1974 in his Smalltalk system [11] at Xerox PARC, and soon after in the InterLisp system [47].

    See. We (the US Public) paid for the development of the mouse at Stanford, through the publicly owned NLS project. Kay came up with overlapped windows at the University of Utah, while a student and way before software patents.

    Things are NEVER the way you think they are. Actually no one specific ever "invents" anything, we actually all just stumble on stuff together. Then someone specific gets credit for it. People are stupid, and love fame more than anything. Then we die.

  47. Now that's prior art by sandow · · Score: 1

    My favourite part of this whole thing is that the prior art that invalidated this patent is over 2000 years old.

    It was invented by Tiro, who was a slave of Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-65 BC).

    Checkout The History of Shorthand

  48. You missed something by goldfndr · · Score: 1
    When I write the downstroke, it autocompletes with a company starting with L.
    I write, and yes the "l" does appear, but when I cross-stroke to make it a "t" it does exactly what I'd expect and erases the "l" replacing it with a proper "t".
    Some instructions were evidently left out, as you are getting "l" rather than a company name. Requirements:
    • An address entry with a company name starting with "L" - for extra fun, make it long enough to occupy more than one line
    • An address entry with a company name starting with "T" (optional?)
    • An address entry with a company name starting with "I" (optional?)
    • Perform the Graffiti 2 entry (downstroke followed by cross-stroke) in a new address entry in (obviously) the Company field.
    I just now tried it and it happens for me too; Contacts 1.0.1 on OS 5.2.1. I'll bet you'll have an epiphany if you bother to try it again; even though this is a relatively oldish story, I hope you'll post results.

    As a sidenote, I have abandoned Graffiti almost entirely (except for menu stroke via Graffiti-anywhere on T3) and instead use MessagEaseST regularly.

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    1. Re:You missed something by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

      Gotcha. I thought you were doing a lookup by company. It was doing exactly what you said just trying to set up the test cases.

      OK. I stand corrected. Again, hopefully this whole situation will be mooted soon, with G1 being free of patent hell.

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  49. No way! by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1
    I have a Tungsten T|3. I have PalmReader 2.4.3 which is a recent version. It is impossible to do command-slash 'i' on it. The moment I do the downstroke on the 'i' it's interpreted as an 'l' and I'm taken to the repeat find window. Worse, when I do the dot for the 'i' the find window received backspace (which it ignores) followed by 'i' so my 'i' does eventually appear - but in the text field for the repeat find window.

    How do you write your 'i'? This problem isn't just something I'm having, it's documented in Palm's own documents.

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