BBC Creative Archive Based On Creative Commons

powcom writes "The BBC appears to be delivering on its promise of releasing its material to the public - they're modelling their licensing on Creative Commons. Lawrence Lessig is very excited and so I imagine, will a lot of other people be - rightly." This brief article also mentions yesterday's release of Creative Commons' 2.0 licenses -- well worth reading about.

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BBC viewpoint

[Space cowboy]

For those that don't know, and are therefore probably thinking "How the hell can they give it all away for free", the BBC is funded by everyone in the UK who has a TV paying a yearly fee (104 I think - I pay 8/month by direct-debit until it's paid). From the last figures I can find (on the admittedly licence-fee-hostile CAL site) the BBC has 2.8 billion pounds per year running costs ($5,000,000,000, give or take...)

There are lots of people in the UK who object to paying for the licence fee (I'm not one of them), most of whom (in my opinion) want the same quality of service (or better ;-) without having to cough up the cash. Given the advantages (the BBC documentaries and wildlife programs to name but two would probably not get made in a more commercial environment) I'm fairly happy paying 8/month. Given that I'll happily blow 50 on a night out (pub & meal), it seems like good value to me...

And then of course without the constant need to please the paymasters, you can get this sort of benevolence (although I'd be willing to bet when the details come out that re-broadcasting is limited :-). You also get more (IMHO) objectivity. I trust the BBC far more than I trust most news organisations, foreign or domestic - there's a tradition of honest portrayal of news that places it up amongst the best, a tradition it lives up to, at least more often than most.

Re:BBC viewpoint

[grahamsz]

I do wonder what sort of DRM they'll use.

I know they've been involved in trials of ogg vorbis, but it seems unlikely that anything which has commercial value will be released drm-less.

The BBC bring in a lot of money by licensing shows to foreign broadcasters; however most of this probably comes from current shows, so their back catalogue may not be so valuable.

Re:BBC viewpoint

[Ithika]

Excellent points, but to further what you said about trustworthiness... When they have been under suspicion (Andrew Gilligan, "sexed up" dossiers, etc.) they were remarkably objective about their own (mis)deeds. I think any other organisation would have a) attempted to ignore their own part in the proceedings, or b) editorialised when they should have just been reporting.

Re:BBC viewpoint

[mccalli]

Given the advantages (the BBC documentaries and wildlife programs to name but two would probably not get made in a more commercial environment)...

This used to be true, but it seems to be getting more and more commercial now. the "Walking With..." set of series, for example, seemed to be geared for DVD sales right from the beginning. The programming is now plastered with adverts....for the BBC. And the children's programming in particular is just smothered with markerting tie-ins.

No, I'm afraid I believe the BBC is becoming more commercial all the time, and I resent and object to that. I don't begrudge them the license fee, but I do begrudge them using that to push their tie-in products.

Cheers,
Ian

Re:BBC viewpoint

[Anonymous Coward]

I think it's unlikely the BBC archives will use DRM at all. How could they? What would be the point of releasing under a Creative Commons licence but then slapping Digital Restrictions Management all over it? Sort of self defeating.

Lets also not forget that the BBC is funding development of a wavelet CODEC, which it has released as OSS via. Sourceforge. I don't think they could aim to be more open, frankly.

Re:BBC viewpoint

[TopShelf]

Someone on NPR used that same argument for how democracy should more reasonably be promoted in places like Iraq - not so much that America and other democracies are perfect, but that when mistakes are made (i.e. the recent prison scandal), they are dealt with in an open and public way.

Re:BBC viewpoint

[Kegster]

If they are making the archive available in a lossy format then this shouldn't be too much of a problem really.

Broadcasters who want to use BBC content are going to be wanting broadcast quality media, which effectively means mpeg2 (mpeg4 isn't quite there yet), as will anyone who wants a decent copy for home.

Or they use a dual-licensing apporach, a la MySQL,
one license if you want broadcast rights, or a higher quality, and a Open type license for personal use?

Is the text of the license they are proposing available anywhere?

Re:BBC viewpoint

[Anonymous Coward]

For those that don't know, and are therefore probably thinking "why didn't he put currency symbols in front of the amounts", Slashdot takes upon itself to delete several useful symbols, including the sign for UK Pounds (and Euros too). One pound is about $1.80.

The cost is a little higher than the parent poster stated, at 121 pounds per year, which corresponds to $218 at the current exchange rate.

Re:BBC viewpoint

[grahamsz]

My point is that there'll be less incentive for a US network to purchase Red Dwarf and fill it full of commercials, if it's possible to download it off the net.

In that vein they'll probably want to restrict it to british citizens or even just british license payers, otherwise they'll be paying for bandwidth to reduce the value of their international resale rights.

Re:BBC viewpoint

[laigle]

I just wish I could get the same quality programming in the US for the much higher price we pay. Ah, the joys of the free market.

And by free market, I mean a tiny group of collusionary, racketeering, megalomaniacal jerks who bribe Congress to stifle any form of competition so they won't get their comeuppance for the miserable job they do.

Re:BBC viewpoint

[afidel]

Well if the beeb is interested in reselling the work all they need to do is distribute it with a Non-Commercial Creative Commons license and no one will be able to make money off of distributing it. Sure the audience might be somewhat lessened by those people who download the episodes and refuse to watch the ad filled version but I don't think it would have a huge affect. Btw there is no Creative Commons license that would allow restriction to a particular class of recipients, in fact such a license would be very much against the spirit of creative commons.

Re:BBC viewpoint

[Anonymous Coward]

Linus Torvalds has said they Linux should support DRM. It's useful in situations where - for example - you've a net cafe and you don't want people to be able to overwrite or read the machine.

Creative Commons licences have rights associated with them, and so DRM could be used. Now, DRM doesn't (and maybe can never) understand when a user should be permitted by law, but consider a DRM where it allowed everything but logged a history of the file.

DRM is mostly stupid, but it's not always.

Re:BBC viewpoint

[Alby]

Because of course, it's currently totally impossible to download episodes of Red Dward from the 'net.

--
Alby <alby@bleary-id.co.uk>

Re:BBC viewpoint

[Bruce Perens]

It's useful in situations where - for example - you've a net cafe and you don't want people to be able to overwrite or read the machine.

That's not what DRM is for, and DRM is not usable for this purpose. You are thinking about the privilege mechanism, which has been in Linux from the earliest days.

consider a DRM where it allowed everything but logged a history of the file.

It's not possible to both allow everything and enforce logging.

Bruce

Re:BBC viewpoint

[DerekLyons]

I think it's unlikely the BBC archives will use DRM at all. How could they? What would be the point of releasing under a Creative Commons licence but then slapping Digital Restrictions Management all over it? Sort of self defeating.

No, it's not self defeating. Creative Commons is *not* OSS, not free as in beer, nor free as in air. Creative Commons licenses frequently require attribution, and may or may not allow derivative or commercial usage. DRM is not incompatible with this.

Re:BBC viewpoint

[Grab]

Come off it - the BBC has *never* known what to do with Dr. Who! "Hey, we've got this ultra-successful, iconic TV programme, so let's axe it while it's having a real come-back. And while we're at it, let's wipe all the recordings of old programmes as well. Releasing old episodes on video/DVD? Nah, don't want to do that..."

That's the blessing and curse of the BBC. As an organisation with external funding unconnected to its viewing figures, it can produce objective reporting, challenging programmes, and serious documentaries with quality rather than immediate payback. OTOH, it doesn't have to give a damn about its audience, so there could be mass marches outside their offices for a show to come back or be made available on video/DVD, and they wouldn't give a damn (Dr. Who being the prime example).

As for stuff from the 50s, very little of it exists. Like the Dr. Who episodes, most of them have been erased so that the tapes can be reused. Ironically, most recordings from before about 1970 that have survived have only done so bcos BBC employees have stolen them.

My pet peeve about the BBC is that whilst you can listen to radio shows again via the Internet, you can only do so streaming - you can't download the whole show and listen to it. This screws over anyone on 56K (which currently is most of the UK), bcos it becomes unuseable when you have 1-minute gaps between 10-second chunks of music!

Grab.

I wonder

[Tebriel]

Will being a permanent member of the "external consultative panel" for the BBC change Lessig's views on anything? Will this be a paid position?

this has to be...

[zeruch]

...one of the better pieces of news in a while. I have generelly held the Beeb in high regard, not just for it's programming, but it's business practices. This seems to hold true.

Thanks to the brits for this one...

[mobiux]

We get it for free because they pay thier yearly tax.

I just wish I could get the BBC america channel at home.

Re:Thanks to the brits for this one...

[Richard_at_work]

Get what for free? The archive will only be available to UK ADSL/Cable subscribers, the BBC can do this because almost all of the ADSL and cable providers do private peering with the BBC (they have one hell of a network). Other than the limited world services, people outside of the UK get little.

The Beeb

[Cally]

For all it's miriad faults (Sue McGregor springs to mind, Libby Purves, John Waite, Noel Edmonds, most of BBC1 these days,... uh, that's a longer list than I was thinking of ;) the BBC is still one of the few things that give me any feeling of pride in the institutions of this country. I won't go so far as to say "proud to be British" - patriotism just isn't sportsmanlike IMHO.

In Related News...

[k4_pacific]

Cable news channel MSNBC announced today that they will be releasing their archives under the Windows XP EULA.

How long will this last?

[millahtime]

We get it for free because they pay thier yearly tax.

How long will this last. The BBC supplying to the world with only the Brits paying for it. I would guess they would give it to the Brits at no cost but charge everyone else.

Re:How long will this last?

[Anonymous Coward]

As a licence payer, I really don't mind. Hey, we've already paid it, it's there, why not just let everyone else enjoy it as well? What benefit is there in locking it away? I don't gain anything!

Re:How long will this last?

[Xilman]

How long will this last. The BBC supplying to the world with only the Brits paying for it. I would guess they would give it to the Brits at no cost but charge everyone else.

It works both ways. I'm a Brit, living in Britain (or Britland as Dubya would say). Some years ago I wrote to NASA's public relations people asking for some information. By return of post, at no cost to me and sent by airmail, came a large envelope full of stuff.

AFAICT, both NASA and the BBC take the view that the material has already been paid for by tax payers and so, by and large, they are willing to send out copies to non-commercial entities.

Paul

Good news

[N3koFever]

It's good news if they do this. Their shows (especially comedy) are probably the best in the world and making them available to anyone who wants them is great, especially for people who live in places where they can't see them usually. One of the advantages of having a publicly funded non-commercial TV network I guess.

NPR Public Content

[beatleadam]

The BBC appears to be delivering on its promise of releasing its material to the public - they're modelling their licensing on Creative Commons.

I continue to be very excited about this type of content release and especially in the case of the BBC so that all the Monty Python will be available.

I know here in the states we have NPR's content available for listening and download so how are these two institutions licensing different?

Re:NPR Public Content

[Gorath99]

I continue to be very excited about this type of content release and especially in the case of the BBC so that all the Monty Python will be available.

Though I would love to see that happen, I don't think we'll ever see Monty Python released this way, as the BBC doesn't own the series. The Pythons themselves do.

See here for more.

Re:NPR Public Content

[interiot]

NPR's policy on copyright peeves me so much. I pledge money to them every year, so I get to freely listen to news programs over the radio. Yet if I want a permanent copy (often only available in propietary formats like Real no less), I have to pay extra for it. I can't put my finger on exactly why, but it really seems like NPR should have lead the OSS revolution, producing open content even before Richard Stallman did.

Re:NPR Public Content

[beatleadam]

I can't put my finger on exactly why, but it really seems like NPR should have lead the OSS revolution, producing open content even before Richard Stallman did.

That is my point exactly and I agree with you.

Perhaps it is this: If NPR releases content (i.e. it airs on the Radio) to the public anyways where if you had any recording device you could copy it for free, why on Earth if I am to download and copy it or record it "legally" do I have to Pay for it?

Creative Commons!

[Lorenzo de Medici]

The Creative Commons license brings licensing to the masses. As an independent filmmaker, I am so overjoyed to be able to have websites such as Magnatune where I can find decent artists who want exposure for their music, something some of my films can provide. At the same time, I get good quality audio for my films. They win. I win. It's a wonderful thing.

To anyone who has not explored the CC licences, I highly encourage them to check it out and learn about this really cool license.

Also, I didn't notice any really significant changes in the 2.0 licenses. Did anyone catch something blaringly obvious that I missed?

Left Hand: "What you up to Right Hand?"

[Bart]

So, would this be the same BBC who force us to load proprietary and intrusive software (RealPlayer) in order to listen to their audio streams? The same BBC who "tried" Ogg Vorbis streaming for three weeks before quietly shelving it? The BBC who have never offered MP3 streams?

Re:Left Hand: "What you up to Right Hand?"

[Carnildo]

This is the same BBC that forced Real to provide a free, no-nag, no-spyware, less-evil version of the player.

Re:Left Hand: "What you up to Right Hand?"

[Anonymous Coward]

The Ogg Streams were up for months, not three weeks. I know the guy who was responsible for it, and the sad reason it stopped is simply because the department running it was moved to another office and "right sized", leaving no resource to pursue the streams. You could always write to the BBC and ask them to restart the trials though; no harm in asking.

Re:Left Hand: "What you up to Right Hand?"

[BenBenBen]

It's really quite simple.

The BBC tech guys at Kingswood Warren "got it" (I remember their webcam with a huge inflatable Tux in the background..)

They were "right-sized" as part of the preparation for the sell-off of BBC Technology (which is a national shame), and their new marketdroid paymasters took one look at their (underappreciated here) efforts to ogg etc stuff and said "get back to work".

This is Certainly Great News

[List of FAILURES]

Precedent like this by such a well respected and very tasteful organization is sure to bolster support for the Creative Commons style of licensing. One of the best, but most downtrodden traits of humanity is the capacity for sharing. Certain, mentally ill segments of our civilization are striving to keep what last tight grips they have on anything of value. They think only of themselves and their immediate needs rather than thinking of us as a collective and the legacy that we may leave behind with a more open approach. I applaud the BBC and it's efforts to show the world that it is possible to embrace sharing as a good thing for creativity. I berate everyone else who believes that keeping something completely to themselves is good in any way. Go ahead and become Gollum, if that is what you wish. The rest of us will leave you behind.

The BBC are not government

[Anonymous Coward]

The BBC are not government. They are controlled by state officials and the Crown.

Alternative Business

[bludstone]

Im curious.

Does this mean independant people can take these sources, remaster them, and release them on dvd for a fee?

Let me take a step back for a second.

Sometimes I picture what it would be like if the current copyright laws were re-written so that ownership only existed for, oh, 15 years. Would a new set of industries pop up that release shows on various media formats?

For example, one company could be comitted to getting the content to you in the most inexpensive way possible. Another could be obsessed with video quality and extras (read: fanboys and their tv shows) and other such developments; they would charge a larger fee. Not to mention "fan sequals" and indy spinoffs.

I see a great potential for a new market emerging from releasing open content like this.

Re:Alternative Business

[leakingmemory]

Creative Commons != BSD License Not sure about the exact line between becoming sued and not, but it seems pretty clear to me that the original author still owns the work. But maybe you can get paid for the cd and possibly for creating it/buring too.

Re:Alternative Business

[P-Nuts]

Does this mean independant people can take these sources, remaster them, and release them on dvd for a fee?

RTFA:

By applying a CC-type license to the content, the BBC will enable individuals in the UK to download released content to their computers, share it, edit it and create new content. Commercial reuse of the content will not be allowed.

So it sounds like the for a fee bit wouldn't be permissible.

Yaaaaaawn

[Roland Piquepaille]

yesterday's release of Creative Commons' 2.0 licenses -- well worth reading about.

on a rainy day.

/me goes back to blog...

Re:Thanks to you for this one...

[Roland Piquepaille]

We get it for free because they pay thier yearly tax.

And we over here get to read your post on the DARPA-created Internet because you pay your taxes. Everybody in the world eventually contributes something to everybody else.

Anyway, thanks.

Re:BBC is official government media

[gibodean]

The BBC is the news and media branch of the government of the United Kingdom. It is not a "good thing" to have the state control things like this.

While in theory that could be true, just try comparing the news you get from the BBC with that you get from the networks in the USA.

Those USA networks are much more biased than the BBC.

Funding is done by licence fee - links

[RidiculousPie]

Further information on running costs is available in this document (Starting at about Table 14) and this document
According to the second document licence fee revenue is 2,659million pounds.
License fee information on the bbc website

TV Licensing Website

To summarise:
Standard license fee is 121 pounds(colour television)
Black and White Television is 40.50 pounds
Registered blind people can apply for a discount of up to 50%
People over the age of 75 do not need a license

Re:Funding is done by licence fee - links

[BlightThePower]

I can never decide if the discount for the registered blind is:
1. Almost comical tight-fisted meanness
2. Scrupulous fairness
3. Because sound is 50% of the broadcast
(do registered deaf get 50% off though? No, IIRC).

The Beeb isn't only making money from license fees

[tjwhaynes]

How long will this last. The BBC supplying to the world with only the Brits paying for it. I would guess they would give it to the Brits at no cost but charge everyone else.

The Beeb is making a fair amount of income from other sources. Take a look at TLC in the US - all of their top-ranked shows are under license from the BBC, from Clean Sweep to Trading Places. Then there are DVD and other media sales. PBS channels purchase shows like "Life Of Mammals" and comedies. The Beeb gets advertising revenue from the channels with commericials. The BBC is far from a licensing-fee-only company.

Cheers,
Toby Haynes

hoping others will follow

[xlyz]

BBC is not the only state owned, fee financed media company

Italian RAI is in the same situation and has an impressive archive as well

looking forward to re-installing my video editing software :)

Re:hoping others will follow

[ctid]

The government actaully has minimal say in the running of the BBC, much to the current governments dislike.

Don't forget the dislike of the previous government. And the one before that. And the one before that as well. One of the best features of the BBC is that it contrives to be disliked by *every* government, *and* by whichever party is in opposition. They must be doing something right.

Re:The Beeb isn't only making money from license f

[jacoplane]

And licensing their materials under a creative commons license does not mean that revenue has to end. They can give it away to the public for free while forbidding commercial use (without paying for that right).

What is being released exactly?

[SsShane]

I want mah Doctor Who!

Re:What is being released exactly?

[azzy]

Why do you have to moan so much?

Because you want to, because you want to!

Billie Piper? GOD NO!! Anything but!!!

Ignorance ensued

[Anonymous Coward]

BBC's taxes are authorised by a Crown Charter, which is done through government. However, the Government and the BBC both have to abide by it (which they both do willingly). This isn't a Government controls the BBC situation, it's a contract between seperate entities.

Unfortunately, you're too ignorant to know what you're talking about.

GNU FDL

[Henrik S. Hansen]

The GNU Free Documentation License should also be considered for any kind of free document. Although it is modelled for documentation for programs, it could really be applied for most things.

However, the GNU FDL has had some controversy within Debian, who have considered moving works licensed under it to the non-free section. Of course, this has undergone Much debate, with Richard Stallman under heavy fire.

Excellent

[locarecords.com]

This is really good news and I am very pleased that a public sector company like the BBC should seek to do this. That they have used Creative Commons licenses is very interesting considering they are based on US law (and the UK ones are still under development) but still I am sure they have enough copyright lawyers should they need to sort something out.

[Grammar-Nazi] "Creative Commons'"

[JessLeah]

I just wanted to point out that "Creative Commons" is a singular entity, despite the fact that it ends in the letter "s". Therefore, it is "Creative Commons's" license (or whatever), not "Creative Commons'" license (or whatever),

Re:[Grammar-Nazi] "Creative Commons'"

[JessLeah]

That's Ms. Grammar Nazi, and "All the jeans' have holes" is incorrect.

*cough*

[BlightThePower]

Paul Gerhardt, Joint Director, BBC Creative Archive explains: "We want to work in partnership with other broadcasters and public sector organisations to create a public and legal domain of audio visual material for the benefit of everyone in the UK."

Don't see you mentioned there I'm afraid. We accept cash, VISA and Mastercard though.

But seriously, my feeling is that this isn't over by a long chalk yet. Wait until the tabloids (esp. the Daily Mail) find out about this. If as you say it ends up with programmes we pay for being made freely available around the world (heh, not that the BBC World Service doesn't already do this on the radio) there will be uproar. Now we may joke about these fuddy-duddies in the shires, but "Middle England" is very good at turning out to vote, so their views carry disproporitonate weight for this reason (hunting with hounds anyone?). Theres a section of British society that doesn't like the license fee in the first place and will be out to cause a stink the next time the charter is up for renewal anyway.

Believe when you see it is what I'm saying.

Re:*cough*

[isorox]

not that the BBC World Service doesn't already do this on the radio

Funded from the foreign office, not the license fee. World TV (as well as the BBC branded foreign channels, BBC America etc.) is funded by advertisers. BBC Prime is funded by subscription.

Financial Considerations

[otisaardvark]

This is exactly fulfilling the remit of the BBC, and demonstrates perfectly why most Brits are happy paying the TV licence fee. The Creative Commons style copylefting is a wonderful touch, and shows how "in tune" the BBC is to the mood of the public.

Nevertheless, there are important financial considerations which we should not overlook.

It seems to me that concerns about bandwidth and lucrative overseas syndication deals will probably mean that "direct" access is limited to UK addresses (at least initially). Despite this, licensing revenue will inevitably decline. Combined with the decrease in income from DVD sales, and the phenomenal cost of digitizing, hosting and maintaining the archive, this probably adds up to a significant licence fee increase. This is on top of the additional fee already imposed for digital viewers.

Politically, many in the government want to punish the BBC for its relentless Iraq questioning. However, Tessa Jowell, the minister in charge, has made encouraging noises. I have a great deal of respect for the BBC, but I sincerely hope (and unfortunately doubt) they can justify their "techno-edge" spending in a potentially politically hostile climate when their Charter comes under review in 2006.

Re:Financial Considerations

[MoonBuggy]

I'm sure that the BBC can kill two birds with one stone by colocating Akamai style media caching servers in the UK ISP's datacentres. Not only would this create great speed increases and reduce bandwidth charges, I'm sure the beeb could swing it so that they just pay low colocation fees and only a token amount for the bandwidth since it's just shuttled about within the ISP's own network.

It would make it far less likely for widespread overseas downloading to happen and the broadband providers would not only have a 'killer app' to shout about, they'd be getting paid for it too. Everyone wins :-D

Good News for UK Residents ONLY

[ear1grey]

Don't get too excited...

Just in case the announcement is unclear. This proposed CC-style license is for UK residents only.

Historically, in the UK, if you owned a television you were legally obliged to have a Television License - the current cost is approximately 80 pounds sterling per year. Even if you didn't watch any BBC channels you were still legally obliged to purchase a license, so since the work of the BBC has technically always been owned by UK Citizens it will soon be made available to those who funded it.

The license for the rest of the world may be something completely different.

Re:BBC is official government media

[dylman]

Yes, it's far better to have your news media controlled by vast corporations pursuing their own, unknown agendas. Fox News are renowned worldwide for their balanced, fair journalism, after all...

CBC ... follow suit

[subVorkian]

The CBC should follow the lead of it's older, wiser brother.

This was found at: http://archives.cbc.ca/info/281g_en23.shtml

CBC staff from coast to coast to coast have online access to RADIOLA material through CBC's Intranet. This makes it much easier to incorporate old programming into new coverage -- when reporting on the history of a conflict, say, or the death of a national figure.

It's sad that only insiders at CBC have access to electronic copies of content. The have locked down their listening formats using commercial streaming products (RealAudio, QuickTime & Windows Media). This makes it difficult to record or re-use content streaming from CBC.

It's sad because this content is tax-payer funded. It also makes personal recording impossible or at best illegal.

I really think CBC should follow the BBC.

Re:BBC is official government media

[gpuk]

That is the most misguided comment I have ever read.

I suggest you direct your browser to: http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/policies/charter/ Where you can peruse the BBC's royal charter.

You may also wish to read: http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/policies/charter/pdf/agr eement_text.shtml
Specifically, read section "4. OBJECTIVES FOR THE HOME SERVICES".

The BBC is not a mouth piece for the government and indeed the government has no control over what can or cannot be broadcast. If you lived in the UK you would have read in the papers and seen on TV the huge debate that took place recently over finding a replacement director general after Greg Dyke (the former DG) resigned in response to the Dr. David Kelly affair. The debate was centred around finding a person suitable for the level of impartiality required. The government also felt obliged to jump through hoops just to let everyone know that they fully respected the impartiality of the BBC and had no intention of meddling with the selection process. The BBC's impartiality is so highly regarded in this country that if the government even hinted at trying to sway the selection process it would lose the next general election. This is why they went to such lengths to show they had no involvement in the process.

And in the US?

[FirstTimeCaller]

What about us over here in the USA? We like Monty Python as much as the next bloke! When do we get our hands on the free BBC archives?

Don't make us come over there and liberate your asses!

Re:And in the US?

[arkhan_jg]

Don't make us come over there and liberate your asses!

*Has a mental image of a yank wandering around London randomly pulling down people's trousers*

*shudder*

Re:BBC is official government media

[Malc]

Err, have you ever watched the BBC? They're often very anti-government of the day. That hardly makes them a good branch of government, let alone signify that they're under state control.

Re:UK Only?

[Richard_at_work]

You wont be able to get the origional content. The BBC peers with almost all of the UKs broadband suppliers, thus allowing tight access control to only those who it wants, IE the UK broadband users. For those on ISPs not peered with the BBC, im afraid you will either loose out, or have to sign up specially.

Re:Only one Fox

[ThomaMelas]

Dude, look up. That shadow is the point going right over your head.

Patriotism

[UdoKeir]

Here's a few quotations to be going on with:

Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it.
~George Bernard Shaw

PATRIOTISM, n.
Combustible rubbish read to the torch of any one ambitious to illuminate his name.
In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first.
~Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

Re:BBC is official government media

[jsebrech]

Yes they are, and I have to question the patriotism of anyone who would accuse our vice president of using his position to make money for himself and his friends. You, sir, are disgusting.

Well, it is then also just a coincidence that halliburton pays cheney more money in "deferred payments" than the United States of America pays him for being vice president (as shown by his most recent tax statement).

This after he had publicly said that he had cut all ties to halliburton. And because of the way halliburton is structured, they don't have to give a reason for that money. It could very well be based on profit, meaning that the contracts cheney handed to halliburton came straight back to him in personal profit.

Ofcourse, we could never know the truth, because both cheney and halliburton won't tell it to you. All you can find out is that he gets more money for having ties to halliburton than for being vice president.

And that doesn't even get into his secret energy cabinet, which was staffed with energy industry executives and not a single person representing the environmental movement, and of which we know nothing at all, since cheney has consistently refused to release anything, no transcripts, no recordings, not even exactly who attended those meetings.

By the way, halliburton has gone through corporate inversion. Meaning they have off-shored a number of subsidiaries to dodge paying taxes in the US. Also, halliburton subsidiaries did illegal trade with Saddam until the late 90's, at the time Cheney was running it. Making him not just an energy-industry lapdog, but a big hypocrit.

Halliburton was chosen for providing services in iraq it had zero experience with, like food preparation. They hired someone else to do that, and then didn't pay them what they had promised to pay. So halliburton makes more profit, and the soldiers in Iraq don't get warm meals. That's true patriotism for you.

Re:Only one Fox

[jsebrech]

Fox News's only agenda is to serve the public. If they don't, their ratings fall. No "unknown agendas".

Fox news is a business. As a business, they do not exist to serve the public, they exist to turn a profit. The truth isn't profitable, because it's rarely a "sexy" story. Fox news has a spin portraying fox viewers as true patriots who know the real truth because they watch fox news, and who know that fox news portrays the real america, who are strongly behind George W. Bush, and who think the iraq war is a great effort in the war on terror. It creates a very loyal viewerbase who will not look for other news sources, because in their mind it would make them less patriotic. Fox profits handsomely from this spin by having a loyal audience to show ads to.

Ratings and truth are unrelated. Lies can be sweet poison, the truth bitter medicine. If a station gave you bitter medicine, you would stop watching it, which is why fox news gets such nice ratings from spreading blatant, but seductive, lies consistently.

Re:The Beeb isn't only making money from license f

[Ray Radlein]

I thought that the license fees for those shows went to Endemol, RDF Media, and Banyan Productions -- you know, the folks who produced the original shows for the BBC in the first place.

I mean, let's say that one of those companies produces a show where Cathy Rogers throws Alan Titchmarsh and Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen out of an airplane and they have to assemble a decorative parachute from scrap materials before they hit the ground. If TLC picks it up and has Jesse James toss Hildi Santo-Tomas and Mikey Teutul out of a plane, does the Beeb really get a cut of the action? Sweeeeeet deal, if so.

BBC archives

[curator_thew]

The BBC has 85km of shelves, which translates very roughy (digitised at 25 Mb/s) to 200 TB/km => 17 PB. This is an overestimate for us, because not all our shelves hold video, and we have spare copies and VHS 'browse' copies. But it gives a round number: 10 PB for the BBC archive, and similar sizes for other major European broadcast archives.

(from: http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id= 15550)

[can someone calculate how many "cisco-minutes" or "internet2-minutes" that is?]

Re:The Beeb isn't only making money from license f

[rezza]

Hot damn I'd love to see a show like that. I've seen enough of these garden/home/anything makeover shows to last me an eternity.

Royal Charter and Agreement

[gylz]

Its interesting to note that making the archives accessible to the public is actually part of their Royal Charter Agreement:

The Corporation shall make reasonable arrangements, itself or with such body or bodies as it chooses, for public access to its sound, television or film archives with or without charge as the Corporation thinks fit.

They could have chosen to charge for access to the archive, regardless of whether you`re a license payer or not. They didn`t of course because they have always been one of the few truly altruistic corporations out there. Hats off to the Beeb and to prof. Lessig for being such forward thinkers I say!!

BBC also has a big radio network

[Goonie]

The BBC produces a number of channels of radio programming, the most notable of which for an international audience is the BBC World Service, which has some excellent global news coverage. All of this would be extremely useful for a blind person.

As an Aussie, however, my favourite is the Ashes on Test Match Special, where you can learn about all the lovely English ladies who bake the commentators delightful sponge cake for afternoon tea and, incidentally, follow the cricket.

The FDL is a PITA

[Goonie]

I'm a contributor to the Wikipedia, which is licensed under the FDL. As such, I've seen a lot of debate about the license. In my opinion, while the intention is fine, the specifics of the text make it unsuitable for anything except software documentation. It is too long and complex, with too many over-specific provisions, many of which are designed around the assumption that it will be used for documentation.

It is my belief that if the Wikipedia was restarted from scratch, it would probably use the Creative Commons By-attribution share-alike license, at least for the text, which accomplishes essentially the same thing but is much, much clearer.

Availability and intent

[Anonymous Coward]

It looks as if they are going to start with releasing clips (see here), however if I understand things correctly they may expand to full programs later on. Also interesting is this article which hints that the service may be available to everyone.

NHK comes to you...

[takasuz]

BBC's initiative just amazes the Japanese, who need to pay $130/yr (or $250/yr including a few satellite channels) to the Nippon Broadcasting Corporation (NHK), and NHK has just recently introduced DRM restrictions on its digital broadcast.

And they literally come to your house to collect the fee!