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Short Text Messages In Mid-Air

bahree writes "The BBC is running an interesting story on how Nokia is making a mobile that lets you write short text messages in mid-air. The messages are written using a row of LEDs fitted on the rear cover of Nokia's forthcoming 3220 phone. A motion sensor in the phone makes the lights blink in a sequence that spells out letters when the handset is waved in the air."

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  1. Innovation? by BWJones · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OK, the social engineering that is going on here is getting out of control. It's bad enough that you have someone talking on their phones in the elevator/restaurant/movie theatre or on the subway behind you about all sorts of things (many of which are quite personal), but now we are going to get people gesticulating madly, waving their arms back and forth to send messages.

    Lets have some real innovation, yes? Rather than fun and games with LEDs, what I would like to see some real innovation in in terms of interaction with cell phones much like iChatAV (prevents having to remember phone numbers etc...), whereby you could call someone wherever they may be over TCP/IP or have servers automatically negotiate phone calls through traditional land lines if the receiver of the call is not available on the iChatAV equivalent. It could be relatively easy to establish a hierarchy of places to contact a person starting with VOIP, then progressing on down to sending a voice to text message at the very last.

    Right now at least, we do have phones (V600) that will automatically negotiate networks (so I can have one phone to travel with internationally rather than having to keep two or three depending upon the networks), but most of these phones have maddening interfaces and that in of itself could use some thought and effort. Look, placing GUI interfaces on lots of stuff is OK if it streamlines your operation of the device, but the phone companies and even automobile manufacturers are using lousy GUI interfaces to perform simple tasks. (I absolutely refuse to consider the new BMW's because of that stupid GUI that has to be navigated through three screens to change the radio station or move the seat or change the temperature.

    Sorry for the rant.

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    1. Re:Innovation? by kaltkalt · · Score: 3, Funny

      I agree 100%. Innovation my ass. Next will be combining a LED-waving-messaging phone with a camera and an mp3 player. Oooooh.... wowwww.... I gotta have thaaaaaaaat. How fucking clever.

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    2. Re:Innovation? by gregmac · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Look, placing GUI interfaces on lots of stuff is OK if it streamlines your operation of the device, but the phone companies and even automobile manufacturers are using lousy GUI interfaces to perform simple tasks.

      Maybe it's just the programmer in me, but there are many MANY device that I look at and think "wow, I could design such a better interface for that..". Even on my phone, there's a few tiny things I'd like to change (defaults, the dictionary for T9 input, placement of some menu items) but can't. A lot of things are trivially menu options, but probably left out because it would make menus too long and complicated looking.

      It would be nice if these developers used open source, and let people modify firmware on their phones or other devices. But I'll just go back to my day dreaming now..

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    3. Re:Innovation? by Vihai · · Score: 5, Funny

      When you let it fall by accident... will it write "OUCH!" while falling?

    4. Re:Innovation? by coopaq · · Score: 5, Funny

      Only if I can get the Hello Kitty version!

    5. Re:Innovation? by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 5, Funny
      but now we are going to get people gesticulating madly, waving their arms back and forth to send messages.
      You'd better not go to Italy then!
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    6. Re:Innovation? by snooo53 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I too am disappointed that more companies don't make devices that let you configure things yourself. I too wish I could tweak menus and defaults. To me personally, it doesn't matter if it's open source or not... but it would be nice to have more control.

      I guess I can see a reason why companies don't like to do this... because inevitably people who manage to break their phones will complain and bog down the tech support/return centers. But all this could be solved by simply having a "reset button". Put a copy of the firmware in ROM... as soon as the button is pressed it reverts to that. Very simple. I can't think of a single reason not to do something like that. People would love having that much control of their phone. Look at how popular ringers and backgrounds have become.

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    7. Re:Innovation? by Siniset · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think that a lot of gui and interface problems have to do with patent and copyright infringement. So it would be nice if people used some form of open source in gui design. Too many design decisions are based on not wanting to infringe on other people's intellectual property. At least that's my two cents

    8. Re:Innovation? by Tandoori+Haggis · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Innovation my ass"

      No doubt the mobile co's will start encouraging people to use airtime for exchanging regular jpg updates from "live" within their colon. Then there wil be "womb with a view". Instead of belly button piercings, there will be mini view cams and the images will be broadcast via wireless and BB will be able to spy on stuff that belly buttons see.

      Er wait BB = Big Brother, BB = Belly Button...

      We need BBB's = Belly Button Beannies - to stop BB's spying on people...

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    9. Re:Innovation? by pantherace · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Well, right now there seems to be a perception that many options is too complex for people. (Looks squarely at the GNOME camp, Firefox programmers & the like.) (Not to mention while firebird is a good browser, their basics only is contradicted: what good is a 'home' button, while useful buttons like font +/- are not even available. (sorry about the digression, but that's similar to what lots of phones are doing: my phone won't let me set T9 input as default for example.))

      Honestly though, those options don't hurt people. Those who know what they want will find them, and those who don't won't generally. (There will be some people who do all the time.) But as long as it's limited to things like interface, there isn't a problem, because it will not actually interfere with the operation of the phone as a phone.

    10. Re:Innovation? by gujo-odori · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Maybe it's just the programmer in me, but there are many MANY device that I look at and think "wow, I could design such a better interface for that..".


      It's not just the programmer in you, it's the "Hater of design so bad that it could have been pumped from a port-a-potty" in you :-)


      For example, take my Nokia phone. Please. The hardware is OK, but the UI is horrible. I lived in Japan for years, and my first cell phone there, in 1996, had a better user interface than any Nokia I've seen since (never saw one in Japan, the Japanese brands own the market lock, stock, and two smoking Pringle's cans, and it's not just protectionism; they're *a lot* better than the competition).


      My wife got a Samsung, and while I don't think it's as good as the Japanese domestic phones either, it beats the crap out of my Nokia on every point. I know what my next cell phone will be.


      Japan is not known at all for UI design in PC software, but when it comes to UI design in gadgets, Japan is without peer.

    11. Re:Innovation? by SinaSa · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Put a copy of the firmware in ROM... as soon as the button is pressed it reverts to that. Very simple. I can't think of a single reason not to do something like that."

      Maybe I can help. I can think of at least two or three reasons.
      1. Reflashing the firmware from ROM is the first thing you do after you steal a phone. It removes any trace of the phones previous owner is gone. In some cases, including the IMEI.
      2. If you leave a copy of the firmware on the phone, suddenly anyone who wants to hack with the firmware, it becomes a lot easier. A whole underground society exists of people who hack their phones. Where do they get the firmware? People who work at places like Motorola leak it to them. If phone companies started putting firmware on their phone, you'd have people releasing company design secrets at that exact second.

      Hmm that only looks like two reasons. Nevertheless, I think I've proved my point :)

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  2. I had that toy... by soren42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to have toy from Mattel back around 1983 or so that worked on this same concept - it was called a LightStick or some such. It was a long black paddle with a row of leds on the front, and a keyboard on the back. You just typed in a message, and wave the stick wildly back and forth in the air.

    As I recall the problem was, waving this thing around wildly was very taxing on the arms, and the message was sometimes unclear and difficult to read - especially after fatigue set it.

    Hopefully Nokia thought about this, and has made it a little less straining to use.

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    1. Re:I had that toy... by arudloff · · Score: 5, Funny

      They still sell something extremely similar at Disney World. Incrediably cool at first, for about 3 minutes, then you realize how retarded you look waving a plastic stick with mouse ears on. :(

  3. Prepare for some UGLY ascii art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just look at all the ugly ascii art we see from the ./ trolls.

    Now imagine some retarded 15 year old high school loser waving an animated picture in the air in front of you.

    1. Re:Prepare for some UGLY ascii art by somethinghollow · · Score: 5, Funny

      I deleted ./trolls right after I installed Red Hat on my PC. It's really a useless directory that clutters up the file system. It's always spamming dumb things like "first post" to my terminal. It's quite annoying. It kept coming back, so I got a Mac instead.

  4. You know what comes next. by sulli · · Score: 5, Funny
    Airborne ascii art.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

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  5. Pretty useful by Olaserov · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder if it has any pre-programmed messages already? A particularly useful one might be "HELP: HAVING A SIEZURE!"

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  6. reverse mode by eegad · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hope it comes with reverse mode so I can wave messages to the car in front of me. think: "Green is for go"

    1. Re:reverse mode by LaForce · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I can't remember what the name of the movie was, but I was watching a spy movie where they had one of these equipped in a car as one of his gadgets. I remember being impressed by how feasable and useful it looked.
      The taillights were LED based, with one of those bars across the entire back of the car for third brake light. It turned into a voice activated scrolling marquee when he spoke into a cb radio style microphone. This was used twice in the movie, once to communicate with the police behind him, and the other to make sarcastic remarks to the bad guys who were chasing him.
      If you were to actually implement this, it would be pretty easy; the trickiest part would be the voice activation. Personally I'd like to be able to send a message to the guy behind me who's trying to push me to go faster, when I'm already 5mph over.

  7. innovation?? i think not by fodi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ahhh... this is what happens when your R&D dept. can't keep up with the marketing dept...

    gimmiks for the kiddies...

  8. This would be great for... by BodyCount07 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    writing messages to a DJ in a noisy club. I currently request songs by holding up my phone as close as possible, but that isn't always readable.

    1. Re:This would be great for... by Johnathon_Dough · · Score: 4, Insightful
      As a part time DJ, I can say with some authority, that this is a good way to get your phone thrown across the room.

      It's bad enough being surrounded by bouncing people and seizure inducing light shows with out some jackass waving their blinking cell phone at me to play some song I have no intention of playing anyway.

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    2. Re:This would be great for... by Rebar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So far, this is the best use anyone has proposed for this feature, and it is better accomplished with a 50-cent pen and a bar-napkin.

    3. Re:This would be great for... by patniemeyer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So, I thought that was the rationale for why a D.J. is more than just some poser replacing a CD player... that they somehow responded to the crowd.

      If you don't want input from the jackasses in the crowd then what are you doing up there? Wouldn't you do a better job mixing up your stuff if you did it in a sound room and recorded it?

      Pat

    4. Re:This would be great for... by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 3, Informative
      You obviously have never been to a real club then.

      REAL club DJs are very busy making cool creative mixes. They have their sets planned out already. And they DO respond to the crowd, however they don't do it through direct input like waving this kind of crap in their faces. They read peoples reactions to what they are playing and decide what to spin next and how to mix it.

      Any pro DJ in a club would be super pissed at you for waving this shit in their face.

      Maybe you should go to an actual club and figure out what club DJs actually do before you post ignorant comments like that.

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  9. Freebird by The_Rippa · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nokia said the 3220's air messaging system could be used by friends to talk to each other across crowded rooms or open-air concerts.

    Great, all the artists need are 10,000 people waving "Freebird" in the air

  10. Holey Spokes by stoolpigeon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Kind of like Hokey Spokes but not as big or cool really. But it will sell with the junior high crowd I predict.

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  11. What need does this serve? by ethanrider · · Score: 4, Funny

    When someone developed the flamethrower it was because of the idea "You know, I'd really like to set that person over there on fire"

    I wonder what the analogous thought process was for this product if there was one...

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  12. Short Text Message by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Can't Afford Monthly Payments on Cell Phone - Please Help"

    You notice a cup with a few coins in it at their feet.

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  13. more on that from The Reg by jdesbonnet · · Score: 3, Informative


    http://www.theregister.com/2004/06/02/nokia_shel ls _waving/

  14. What a gimmick by AlphaPB · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the article:

    Nokia said the 3220's air messaging system could be used by friends to talk to each other across crowded rooms or open-air concerts.

    So instead of picking up the phone and calling the other person, you're supposed to type in a 15-letter text message and wave your phone around in the air?! I can see how this can be fun... for 5 minutes.

    1. Re:What a gimmick by Johnathon_Dough · · Score: 4, Funny
      Yes, according to nokia at least

      My friends and I though, have this other method we have been using, I am actually thinking of patenting it:
      We walk across the room and (this is the neat part) hold a conversation using (get this...) only our voices.

      Revolutionary for the times I admit, but just watch, give it a few years, everyone will be doing it, if only so as to not have to try and pick the message directed to them from the sea of waving arms and blinking lights at the concert.

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  15. How does it know? by DanielMarkham · · Score: 4, Funny

    Whether you are waving your arm in a straght line? Seems like when you wave your arm it makes more of an arc than a line. I wonder if the phone compensates.

    And you wouldn't want to send a long message on a subway -- you'd end up whacking the people around you trying to work it out. Back up, buddy! I've got a phone here!

  16. Ugh! by Bill_Royle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can see two positive things happening with this technology:

    1. People using this who accidentally hit people in the process will be sued, prompting them to stop using it.

    2. People using this may develop carpal tunnel or dislocations, prompting them to stop using it.

    Enough's enough. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should - someone throw the engineer that came up with this off a cliff!

  17. when was it decided by bizpile · · Score: 4, Funny

    I want to know when it was decided that all the most annoying technology would be crammed into one device and then given to basically any idiot. I sure didnt vote on that.

  18. 15 characters by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 5, Funny

    NOONECARESNOKIA

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  19. Useful 15 letter messages for this device. by ikkonoishi · · Score: 3, Funny

    "HANG UP & DRIVE"
    "U R IN MY LANE!"
    "SAME TO YOU ASS"
    "DAMN TAILGATER!"

    this is a bunch of lower case letters to avoid the lameness filter so you can ignore it if you like or not if it fits your preference.

  20. I want one of this for my car! by Phybersyk0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you could make it print the characters in reverse it'd be awesome!

    My first messages would be:

    "Put Down The Phone And Drive"
    "Eat when you get home!"
    "I think you've eaten enough already"
    "Watch TV when you get home."
    "Nice stereo. Turn it down."
    "POLICE"
    "OMG WTF LOL"

  21. Nokia ring tone sales? by sploxx · · Score: 3, Funny

    I once heard (maybe an urban legend, but anyway) that Nokia is making 30% of their sales with... ... RINGTONES.

    Maybe someone has the exact numbers availbe?

    Such a gimmick seems to be a very thoughtful addition to the phone for me.
    Now, Nokia could start selling people LED-Messages. And, since they pay alot for ___RINGTONES___...

  22. Survival Tool by ctime · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As much as this feature seems annoying to most people reading slashdot, it might actually come in handy in certain situations:

    That said, this is obviously only going to work in certain situations, namely dark rooms or at night, but what I find interesting is the fact it will be VERY easy and obvious for someone to pick you out of a crowd of people when your waving this around. Imagine emergency situations where it might be difficult to discribe your exact location and someone that is despirately trying to find you (At a concert, park, out lost in the wilderness etc), or even something as simple as alerting someone driving around trying to find you (and have never meet you before perhaps?), you could easily attract their attention, plus include a message they understand.

    Now, granted 99% of the time it's going to be completely useless, but for the fact that the other 1% of the time this allows you to communicate more effectively, I think it's really not a bad idea.

    I would also like to point out that the average slashdot reader should have no problems waving the phone around for extended periods of time (granted they use their right hand).

  23. This has been done before (but not on a phone) by drewhearle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Reminds me of propeller clocks (also here, here, here...)
    ...or the similar mechanically scanned displays.
    Spacewriter sells some very cool full-color displays. Their iBall 3D display is also sold at AudioVisualizers - check their site out for more animated demos.
    There's also the Virtual Game System (Google cache) which was amazing; unfortunately the site is down so you'll have to settle for text and no pictures.

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  24. Actually, could be useful by Ambush_Bug · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Pretty much every comment has been disparaging... like "oooh... what do we need this for?"

    I can think of one case where it would be useful: hearing impaired individuals.... Imagine trying to shout across a a street or something to a deaf friend.. not going to work. but if you could wave and message them, then it allows communication over "earshot" distances easier.