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Digital Photography Composition 101

Darren writes "With the 'Rise of the Digital Camera' I suspect we will also see the 'Rise of the Dodgy Digital Photo'. As digital cameras get in the hands of more and more snap happy photographers there will be more and more average images cluttering the PC's of the world. Already there must be millions of self portraits taken at arms length (complete with double chins), countless pictures of Aunt Mildred (cut off at the knees) and just as many out of focus shots of everyday objects in the living rooms of new digital camera owners too lazy to move from the couch. Its time to learn how to take good digital images before its too late! Digital Photography Composition Tips aims to teach the world a few basic guidelines for improving digital photographer's skills everywhere."

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  1. Choosing the camera is important by Joceyln+Parfitt · · Score: 4, Informative

    I found that buying a camera with a rotatable LCD screen helps immensely when you try to pictures from impossible angles. Also if you know next to nothing about photography or you just need to take pictures 'at the moment' without setting your camera up (like on a crowded japanese train), I suggest getting the Olympus 5060 which is really brilliant at adapting the settings to fit your picture (and it does it in < 50ms).


    Props to the GNAA.

    1. Re:Choosing the camera is important by ka9dgx · · Score: 2, Informative
      Even better is the swivel design of the old Nikon Coolpix 995. You can get really close to macro subjects, and still avoid shadows. Its handy to have a viewing tube (cardboard, tape, rubber bands) to keep the sun off the viewfinder, though.

      --Mike--

    2. Re:Choosing the camera is important by Glonoinha · · Score: 4, Informative

      Want to have a picture portfolio that is almost as good as most professionals : there is only one rule.

      Glonoinha's #1 Rule of Photography.
      Throw away (delete) 9 out of every 10 pictures.

      Want one good picture? Take 10 pictures and pick the best one. Professionals take several hundred pictures in several settings just to get half a dozen really great shots worth publishing in a magazine. Most of the time excellent photos aren't about being good, they are about getting lucky.

      Let me pick the best picture out of 20 I take on my crappy 1 megapixel Kodak and I will put it up against any camera (even the really awesome expensive ones) if you only take one picture with that camera.

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    3. Re:Choosing the camera is important by Major_Small · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Most of the time excellent photos aren't about being good, they are about getting lucky.

      I have to disagree here, while I agree that you'll only submit/print/etc. on average about 2-3 out of a roll of 24 exposure, skill is the determining factor. not only in composing the picture and getting the lighting right, but in the darkroom as well... especially in B&W photography...

      Let me pick the best picture out of 20 I take on my crappy 1 megapixel Kodak and I will put it up against any camera (even the really awesome expensive ones) if you only take one picture with that camera.

      working in a camera store, I have to disagree strongly here... take your challenge, if I'm using a Nikon D70, I can guarantee my 1 picture will look better than yours... especially if we're printing 5x7,6x8,10x8, or 10x15... the higher-end cameras can even be printed at sizes up to 20x30...

    4. Re:Choosing the camera is important by afidel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Reminds me of watching a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit special. The photographer that got the cover used a bag of disposable 35mm point and click camera's. It was all about proportion, shading, framing, and other aspects of composition combined with getting lucky with the photons that happened to be hitting the film at the moment he pressed the button.

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    5. Re:Choosing the camera is important by speleo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't believe I'm replying to this, but, well, this is a stupid way to work at taking pictures.

      Heck, if you want to work this way just buy a video camera and yank the good frames out as stills.

      Yes, lots of pros work this way but for different reasons; most can take a perfectly acceptable, well composed and sharp single picture when the need arises.

      The key skill in photography isn't taking a bunch of pictures and throwing away 90% of them -- it's resisting to urge to push the shutter button when you know the resulting picture will suck.

    6. Re:Choosing the camera is important by Digital11 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...the higher-end cameras can even be printed at sizes up to 20x30...

      Hehe, yea, the only prob with that is the costs you get into of framing a pic that big... Sheesh.

      I got a Canon Digital Rebel a few months ago and had this shot printed at 20x30 on canvas by photoaccess.com. Seeing that I had never printed a 20x30 shot before, I was rather shocked when I went into the local framing store to discover that a decent frame would cost at least $200, and most of the nicer looking ones at $350+.

      I just ended up building a frame to stretch the canvas around and hanging it bare. Still looks nice though.

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    7. Re:Choosing the camera is important by angle_slam · · Score: 2
      And the corollary, even if you don't delete the crappy pictures, DON'T post the crappy pictures on the web.

      I've never understood why a web guide featuring pictures taken on a digicam has blurry pictures. Preview the picture. If it is blurry, take it again. There's no excuse not to.

    8. Re:Choosing the camera is important by wunderhorn1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Have you ever watched a professional photographer? They just snap away, rapid fire. Guess how many of those get published...

      Granted, they're not as likely to be throwing away pictures because of amateur mistakes, but the axiom is still true: the best way to take good photos is to take many photos.

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    9. Re:Choosing the camera is important by AmericanInKiev · · Score: 2

      This really is crap.

      Sure - there is an element of lucj and timing - and sure - you can raise your odds by playing more hands.

      But good pictures are more often than not - less than accidental.

      You can for example - go somewhere no-one has gone - or everyone wants to be - and take a picture - almost any picture will be important in that case.

      But if joe photobug wakes up and says - I want to take a great picture - he will get closer much sooner if he understands what makes pictures work.

      Pictures are a 2D of a 3d reality - this requires tricks to convey depth.

      first a big piece of glass say 6" across is great.

      next proper shadows

      next proper highlights - generally over the shoulder - or the rear of the subject.

      And just because the focus sensor is in the middle - doesn't mean the head goes there - learn about focus holding (half shutter).

      and watch the edges - don't cut off things accidentally. keep hands intact, avoid limbs wandering off the frame - bring the hands back in.

      One Master told me generally show one ear and one hand.

      For skinny faces - use soft light - for fat faces - use more directional light.

      Use soft focus filter for everything.

      use an incandenscent backlight for blondes - gives a warm richness to hair - use blue filtered backlight for dark hair - neutral highlights.

      etc . . .

      These are for people generally - but these is much already learned for other kinds of photography.

      The only case that really benefits from random overshooting is action sports and wedding candids.

      AIK

    10. Re:Choosing the camera is important by Myglaren · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not always the case. I have worked with photographers that would take 100+ shots of a fairly simple subject and have only mediocre results. On the other hand, I was proud to work with another photographer that more often than not would take ONE SHOT only, and come back with spectacular photo's. I remember particularly on one occasion he was asked to take some nautical photos - ship setting out on it's maiden voyage and not returning for over a year, by the shipbuilder's who's staff photog was in hospital. This guy borrowed my Hasselblad, first time he'd used it but this was a RUSH. Took one film and no lightmeter or other accessories, from a hired helicopter he took 10 shots on the 12 shot film roll. All perfectly exposed, in difficult conditions, all perfect shots. Whole thing took 2 hours, studio - location - studio. The man was an absolute genius.

  2. Oh boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    More *in focus* voyeur pics. Keep tuned in.

  3. that's gruesome by blue_adept · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't want to see any pics of Aunt Mildred cut off at the knees!

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  4. Good ideas by RedShoeRider · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Not a bad list of suggestions (coming from an old-school film shooter). One that I didn't see, though: RTFM.

    Then read it again.

    It's amazing how much better you can make your shots come out just by knowing what you camera can do to help you out of tough spots!

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    Chris Knight is my hero.

    1. Re:Good ideas by malfunct · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You failed to read the last article "How to Break The Rules" which gives hints as to why and how to go against the standard guildlines.

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    2. Re:Good ideas by gfxguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree. One other thing, though, is practice - which is great with a digital camera. I'll take the same picture over and over with different settings. The exif information in the images tells me which settings worked the best when I go to review on the computer.

      I've had horrible problems with low light photography with the digital camera. The flash is fine when you can use it, but often the subjects are greater than 12 feet or so away, and the flash becomes useless... the camera takes a fast picture, though, and it's not blurry, but it's dark because it thinks "hey, he's using the flash". After some practice I can use the manual settings to compensate. Most people by a mid range camera like mine, though, and just leave it on auto when there's so much more they can accomplish.

      Hell, I had the camera six months before I figured out how to use the macro setting, and now that I have I've got some beautiful flower pictures.

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    3. Re:Good ideas by Alan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm sure you're joking and trying to be funny, but unless you know a lot about photography and camera technology, reading the manual and learning what each of the functions the camera does will help move you beyond snapshots and into pictures that can be great.

      For example, do you know the difference between spot, center weighted, and evaluative metering? Do you know which situations demand one or the other? Maybe you do, but maybe you don't, but if you read the manual chances are you'll have a better idea than if you just put everything on "green" and snap away.

    4. Re:Good ideas by Matey-O · · Score: 2, Informative

      Often the pictures don't look right because the the white balance is set for natural (or fluorescent or incandescent) lighting when the flash throws a light with different characteristics.

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    5. Re:Good ideas by morcheeba · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've got a coolpix 5400. I chose nikon for a digital camera because all my film equipment is nikon, and, more specifically, I can use my SB-25 -- it's a serious flash* and because it's about 150% of the size of the coolpix, it looks totally funny when mounted. But, it is bright (138 ft at 35mm setting, ISO100) and is less prone to redeye (because it's so far away from the lens), so I'm pleased with the combo.

      My only complaint is that nikon doesn't do a good job of communicating with the flash, which is why I bought it (argh!). My n90 will tell the flash the zoom setting and it will adjust the light ouput angle accordingly; the 5400 is far more advanced, but the combo doesn't do that. I guess it's a marketing thing to sell newer flashes or pro cameras.

      (*as serious as nikon gets; pros tend to use third-party flashes that are larger, don't overheat with constant use, and recycle faster)

  5. but i'm lazy.... by Mz6 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    For those keeping track at home, there was a similar article about this same type of this, but for camera phones instead.

    I have to say though... Sometimes I am not out to get the perfect shot with my digital camera. Therefore, my laziness sets in and I will not take the time to get the right settings on the camera, pick the right place for myself and subjects, and throw out the rule of thirds. However, when trying to make awe-inspriing pictures these are all very important tips to take heed of. However, the disclaimer on all of these tips is there are always an exception and a picture might look better if you don't follow that particular rule.

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    1. Re:but i'm lazy.... by Didion+Sprague · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There's also the Holga -- sorta like an analog version of the camera phone. All plastic camera, a single aperture, uses 120 film. It's low-tech, but sometimes low-tech is good -- especially because it forces you to concentrate on the composition as opposed to all the bells and whistles.

      Some cool sites:

      www.toycamera.com
      http://www.digitalsucks.com
      http://www.eyecaramba.com
      http://www.metaincognita.com (Disclaimer: this is some of my own stuff)

      Beware, though: the Holga is controversial. People don't like it because the photos tend to look similar. I'll agree with that. They're similar -- but sometimes they're pretty interesting.

    2. Re:but i'm lazy.... by Fjord · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Thanks, this seemed like it had been up before, but I couldn't find the earlier article.

      I agree, the digital pictures aren't really about the quality, it's about the memories. I like to go through my albums, just to be reminded of the good times I've had with people. It doesn't matter if the subject isn't perfectly centered. Hell, I have a series of pictures that have my foot in them on purpose (I hold my leg up, and it appears at the bottom, like a puppet. It's a series of pictures chronicalling the "Travelling Foot").

      Sometimes you shouldn't be serious about taking pictures.

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    3. Re:but i'm lazy.... by Gorgeous+Si · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sometimes I am not out to get the perfect shot with my digital camera. Therefore, my laziness sets in and I will not take the time to get the right settings on the camera, pick the right place for myself and subjects, and throw out the rule of thirds. But as with anything, practicing these simple things makes it second nature when you take any photo - after a while you'll look at snapshots you took without thinking, but realize that the composition isn't as haphazard as you'd expect!

    4. Re:but i'm lazy.... by k.ovaska · · Score: 2, Informative
      Who said you shouldn't have your leg in the photo? Rule #1: there are no rules. Also, it's good to have a series rather than mere single photos; single photos have to be really great to be interesting on their own, but a selection of photos on a common theme is usually more interesting.

      I don't have leg shots but do have quite a few shadow shots (my shadow showing in the picture). They say the shadow of the photographer shouldn't be visible... bah. Of course, it all depends on the situation.

      The quality of a photo is how well it serves its purpose. Memory shots are of good quality if they bring back the memories. "Art" or creative photos have different criteria: they usually should be enjoyed by other people than the photographer and his friends.

  6. Digital Photography Composition? by JamesD_UK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These aren't tips specifically for Digital Photography, the basics of photographic composition are the same regardless of whether you are using digital or traditional media and these tips are no different to tips you'd find anywhere else for beginning photographers. How are these tips news?

    1. Re:Digital Photography Composition? by Potor · · Score: 2, Informative

      Agreed. I don't understand why this is on /. at all. Digital cameras are not new; bad photography is not new; and these rules are not new.

    2. Re:Digital Photography Composition? by Mz6 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Why does it have to be new to be on /.?

      While I already knew most of these rules, it's good to get the information out to those that might not know these simple tricks. Since most of us here probably own/have owned a digital camera at one time, we can more than likely relate to it. Although, I would rather see something like this posted to like CNN or the NYT for a bigger reader base (read, non-techies) so that more people to take better pictures.

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    3. Re:Digital Photography Composition? by geoffspear · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, it's very lame for someone with a website to answer a reader's question asking for tips on composition. He should have just told them that good composition has been around for a long time and he should piss off or go to art school or something. Right.

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    4. Re:Digital Photography Composition? by jred · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some of the rules were news to me, a non-film using, newby digital camera photographer. Sure, my pics are just for me & my family, but I'd still like them to be decent.

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  7. On a related topic.. by iantri · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Can anyone reccomend a good book on digital photography?

    Most of the books I have found assume you are already a film photographer and only cover the difference between film and digital; the books about film photography are not always entirely relevant to digital photography. The books about digital photography seem to assume you can't even take an autofocused picture with flash without help -- that's about as far as they seem to cover.

    I'm looking for something that explains what all the complicated settings on my digital camera (regarding white balance, metering, aperature, and so on) mean and do.

    Any suggestions?

    1. Re:On a related topic.. by Mz6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not sure that I can recommend a book persay. However, I have found it very useful to just take a few hours to head over to B&N or Borders. Sit down with a few book selections and read. If you find one very useful for what you want, buy it. Otherwise a quick read should answer all your questions.

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    2. Re:On a related topic.. by gfxguy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unfortunately my mid-range digital camera does not have ISO settings, which it seems are quite valuable for manual settings. That's unfortunate, because it's sometimes hard to figure out what to do in low light, especially.

      I'd love a digital SLR, but that's a lot of scratch.

      Here is a really cool site that let's you virtually try out different settings: CamerasInteractive.

      Pretty neat stuff.

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    3. Re:On a related topic.. by bobbozzo · · Score: 2, Informative
      Can anyone reccomend a good book on digital photography?

      I spent a few minutes recently looking through O'Reilly's Digital Photography Hacks... it has sections on white balance, etc.

      BTW, if you have a camera that can shoot RAW format, you can do white balance totally in software, without having to worry about it at all while shooting.

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    4. Re:On a related topic.. by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 2, Informative

      Michael Freeman has some nice books. You can check them out here.
      What I like about his digital photography series (light and lighting, nature and landscapes, portraits, and close-ups) is that he provides lots of nice colorful examples.
      Those work nice for me because I try to emulate them and generally end up with nicer pics than if I didn't know where to start shooting from.
      Metering and aperture are the same basics from film days and those are the things you have to learn by experience. (Much like typing, you can't expect to understand how the whole photo-graphy works unless you understand aperture and shutter).

      To understand white balance, take a picture of an object inside, under fluorescent lighting, and then take the picture of the same object outside in direct sun, and compare the two.
      The one taken inside will have a yellow tone to it, which you wouldn't notice without comparing because our brains compensate for color differences.
      Camera's white balance can usually filter out negative (or sometimes desired) effects of various color sources (fluorescent, tungsten, direct sunlight, bright background etc.).

      I don't know as much about photography as some folks on /. but here is my advice:
      take lots of pictures, and often.

      You'll get better at composition, and will start seeing the photos in your head. That's one advantage of digital over film. It doesn't cost anything to shoot 150 pics in one day, and pick out 5-15 satisfactory ones.

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  8. 85,000+ photos and going by ka9dgx · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It's a great set of tips. The best thing about digital is that you can afford to make mistakes, and the cost of practice has gone to zero. The key is to take pictures, look at them, then take more. If you commit yourself to taking 10 pictures a day, you'll start to notice things, and develop an eye for it.

    I store mine in folders by date, in c:\photos\yyyy\yyyymmdd\DSCNxxxx.jpg, and it works very well for me.

    --Mike--

    1. Re:85,000+ photos and going by Alan · · Score: 4, Informative

      I used to do this as well, but went to this: /yyyy-mm-dd some description/image description.jpg

      I found that after I'd aquired a few thousand images it became pretty hard to find that picture of the leg of my couch with just looking through directories. At least with looking at a list with files like: /2004-05-05 cats, flowers, around work/flower 2.jpg
      it's a bit easier to find. I'd love to use a tool like photoshop album (doesn't support the naming conventions I like), jasc paint shop album (no RAW support) or others (some too simple, some overly complex), but I just haven't found one that fits with everything I'm looking for.

    2. Re:85,000+ photos and going by TuringTest · · Score: 4, Informative

      Try Photofinder, from the HCI Lab in the University of Maryland. It's experimental software, not commercial, but I've found that it have some very interesting ideas on storing and retrieving a big collection.

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    3. Re:85,000+ photos and going by msheppard · · Score: 2, Informative

      For those looking for the photofinder and other U Maryland software, look here:
      http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/photos/

      M@

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    4. Re:85,000+ photos and going by WNight · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I use /yyyy/yyyy-mm-dd - Description/Description - ImageNumber.jpg

      The image number is important if you post the photos anywhere. You can quickly find the one someone mentions even if you've retitled it over the years.

      It also means you can dump photos from a few dates, usually of a similar subject, into one directory (/FlowerPics, for instance) without two Flower 02.jpg pictures colliding.

      As for the photos themselves, I was thinking of storing keywords in the exif info and writing a perl script to throw all the index info into a database so I can start pulling out all similar photos even if their name isn't all-inclusive.

  9. More hi-tech digital photography by GillBates0 · · Score: 3, Funny
    For those who haven't tried it yet:

    HAVE YOUR PICTURE TAKEN THRU YOUR COMPUTER MONITOR !
    Go to the Free Internet Photo From Your Monitor website
    *Sit in front of your monitor.
    *Look directly into the activated object.
    *Click "Take Photo" - below with your cursor/mouse
    *Don't forget to smile at the "camera."

    Note: not affiliated to the website.

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  10. Good techniques by Nick+of+NSTime · · Score: 3, Funny

    Will studying proper digital photography techniques get rid of my double chin?

  11. The big problem with digital cameras ... by pherris · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ... is the "click to clunk" time. A new film camera with an autowinder that shoots multiple frames per second can be found for under $300 while the same thing in the digital world is at least $1k. I've lost too many shots waiting for my digital Nikon to cycle.

    For fast action I still use my old Olympus OM-2 but most everything else is digital.

    IMO digital cameras are almost better than film for most things but not quite yet.

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    1. Re:The big problem with digital cameras ... by GillBates0 · · Score: 2, Informative
      My 5.0Mpxl Sony Cybershot (forgot exact model number) which cost around $300 has a 3 burst mode, which shoots 3 pictures with a single click.

      My guess is that higher-end digital cameras under $1k offer more capable burst modes (5/10/15) not to mention movie-clip recording functionality. So the problem you mention is not an inherent feature of digital cameras. It's just a question of having the right firmware (cheaper) in place - the lens/focus hardware (expensive) isn't limited in that aspect, it's just a question of programming it to do what you want.

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    2. Re:The big problem with digital cameras ... by gfxguy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Similar... my Fuji FinePix can do 2 quick pictures.

      The problem is that if you have an SLR, digital or otherwise, you can manually focus, then click when ready. With most digital cameras, you click, it takes a second to autofocus, then it takes the pictures. Sports shots just suck. Also, with my camera, you can't use the flash (for obvious reasons) when you use the 2 shot setting.

      The camera can do movies, but they generally turn out quite dark, although I can use my video editing software to brighten them up a bit.

      So the biggest drawbacks, IMO, are low light use and the click-to-shutter time.

      I still love my camera, though.

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  12. So... by Keighvin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All this does it talk about regular rules of composition and put "Digital" in front of it to some how expand the applicability. The digital portion never begins to enter into consideration in the discussion.

    There are some differing rules for working digitally; not many of them take place at the camera though (and most there are with regards of which of your camera's features *not* to use).

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  13. It's a known fact by spidergoat2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People with spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on technology like PC's, cameras, software, etc., but won't spend $15 on a book about how to use it.

    1. Re:It's a known fact by pmhudepo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Very true; this whole story reminded me of Philip Greenspun's old Dickless Yuppie statement.

    2. Re:It's a known fact by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A lot of people be better off if they read the manuals that are included with PCs, for free.

      Anyway, digital photography in itself in terms of how you treat your lighting, framing, exposure speeds isn't inherently different from film. The only reason to have it in the title is to make it more marketable.

  14. Flamebait by Heem · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I could moderate a story I'd mod this as flamebait -1... I mean, who cares if we don't take "perfect" pictures. We couldnt take perfect pictures with film cameras either - or with VHS or 8mm camcorders, but who cares? these pictures of my friends and familty are good enough for me to remember the good times.

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    1. Re:Flamebait by Idarubicin · · Score: 4, Insightful
      ...who cares if we don't take "perfect" pictures. We couldnt take perfect pictures with film cameras either - or with VHS or 8mm camcorders, but who cares?

      Your friends and family care. You made us look through your photo album, and we had to suffer through scores--nay, hundreds--of badly cropped, underexposed, flash-washed-out, out-of-focus snapshots.

      Twenty years from now, you'll be thrilled to have a few good pictures of your kids. You don't have to take perfect pictures, but you just spent a lot of money on a camera--wouldn't you like to get good-quality images?

      It doesn't take much effort to check the focus, make sure the horizon is level, check the exposure, and remember to include the top of Aunt Millie's head--but you'd be surprised at how many people fail to think of these things. A little reminder doesn't seem out of place. Photography is a lot like cooking. You can make it as complicated and artistic as you want, but producing acceptable, aesthetically pleasing meals or photos that you needn't be embarrassed to present to company is within reach of anyone.

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  15. Infinite monkey hypothesis... by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 3, Informative

    Given the infinite monkey hypothesis (given an infinite number of monkeys with typewriters, and time, the complete works of William Shakespeare would eventually be produced), I would assume that the total amount to 'good' pictures should be increasing.

    1. The cost of developing for viewing is nil (immediate feedback).
    2. You can immediately delete any bad pictures.
    3. As a result you take more pictures because RAM is free.

    Thus, by sheer accident of the technology, neophyte shutterbugs are finding out the secret of the pros: take as many pictures as possible - one of the bunch is bound to be a beauty!

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    Lodragan Draoidh
    The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. - Mark Twain
  16. Weird friend by nizo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have a friend who takes digital pics, and then when he downloads them at home he changes them at a whim. For example, he moves Fred from the left hand side of the picture to the right to fill in a blank space in a group photo for example, or moves an outcropping that doesn't "balance" the photo. This practice seems totally bizarre, I mean if you are willing to do that to your pictures, why not just download pictures of places off the net and doctor up a whole set of family pictures in exotic locations???

  17. A conspicuous social artifact of digital cameras by Various+Assortments · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ..is the now-infamous "me taking my own picture by standing in the bathroom facing the mirror with my new digital camera".

    I've never seen one taken with an analog camera. Perhaps they love the new toy so much they have to record one of their first good times together?

  18. Top tip by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Informative

    Takes lots of photos. Throw out the ones that aren't very good. This will be the vast majority of them, even for a professional.

    Actually, this was my technique with film as well. Digital has saved me a fortune.

  19. Good start.... by gfxguy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here's another website that I've been going to; it's got digital as well as traditional photography forums: Photo Takers Forum.

    My problem is that I can't afford an SLR. I'm generally happy with my Fuji FinePix 3800, but it's very bad in low light (my camcorder is absolutely fantastic, however, but the resolution of the still frames pales in comparison). I've bought some filters and conversion lenses, and I'm really having a great time learing with it.

    Sadly, it doesn't take a digital camera to make most people lazy. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to encourage my brother-in-law to take better pictures by using sarcasm ("nice use of backlighting, there!") to no avail. Quick tip to backlighters: use a flash! It brings out your subjects in the foreground!

    My wife is the queen of "shaky-cam", no matter how many times I tell her to use the flash indoors. She'll come back from an event at my childs school, hand me the camera, and I end up throwing about 80% of the pictures away. I tried to teach her how to use manual settings to compensate, but she doesn't even want to try to learn.

    Still, even "snapshotters" can make prints like a champ with simple editing software (I have to admit I often use Microsoft's Picture It Express 7.0 that came free with a Kodak picture CD - red eye removal, cropping to standard image sizes, basic color/brightness/contrast editing... and free). For example, the first thing in the article is composition - very often you can fix this with creative cropping. Doesn't always make up for poor photography to begin with, but you can fix an awful lot.

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  20. Just...get...closer by Drunken_Jackass · · Score: 4, Informative

    These tips are great, but i think that everyone would see a big improvement in their picture quality if they followed the #1 of photography - fill the frame.

    9 times out of 10, when you're shooting someone or something, you need to prioritize what the focus of the photo is supposed to be, and fill the frame with it. The rest of the composition usually falls into place.

    It's the simplest way to get better composition without a lot of extra thinking. Either use your feet, or use your zoom and get closer to your subject.

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  21. shutter lag by adamgeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    shutter lag is the term you're looking for. and yes, everything short of DSLRs that i've used, seems to suck to varying degrees at this.

    however, you can get VERY good at shooting action, even with lag. for a long time, my friend Pete was shooting semi-pro photos at rallies.. using only a coolpix 5000. he eventually made the switch to DSLR. if you look at some of his old stuff, he can pan perfectly in time with a car 50 feet away going 100mph.. of course, pete isn't your average digicam user either ;)

  22. My tips by pubjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

    David Bailey, a famous British photographer, once said (something like) "The quickest way to double your skill as a photograph is to throw away half your photographs".

    It is absolutely true - most professional photographers take hundreds of photographs a day, only one or two of which are likely to be actually seen. This used to be one big advantage professionals had over amateurs - amateurs couldn't afford all that film and developing. With digital cameras, now you can take as many photos as you like.

    Personally I just follow three simple rules:

    1) Is the light nice? This is fundamental - if you've got nice evening or morning sunlight, your change of a good photo increases enormously. If it's a cloudy grey day, put the camera away.

    2) Get closer. Just a step closer would improve so many amateur photos.

    3) Take lots of photos. Even if you are taking the same subject again and again, one will of them be better than the others - especially if you are photographing people. Even more so if they are children.

    To summarise:
    1) Good light?
    2) Get closer!
    3) Take more!

    1. Re:My tips by pmhudepo · · Score: 2, Informative
      If it's a cloudy grey day, put the camera away.

      No! Please don't. Go for little details. Notice how the absence of sunlight also causes the absence of harsh shadows.

      Indeed, don't expect a grand landscape to look great in dull light. Or the sky. Or lots of other "splendid" things. But do take advantage of the "mother of all soft boxes": an overcast sky.

      I wholeheartedly agree with your (or rather, Robert Capa's) tip to get closer. Fill the frame.

    2. Re:My tips by meta-monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      [quote]If it's a cloudy grey day, put the camera away.[/quote]

      Absolutely not! Cloud cover turns a hard, directional light (the sun during the middle of the day) into a soft, diffuse light. Clouds are a giant softbox...I love 'em. However, you just don't want to get the sky in the frame.

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    3. Re:My tips by Hiro+Antagonist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Er, you do realize that cloudy, gray days provide this great, diffused light, which is perfect for a variety of subjects, whereas bright-and-sunnry days give very contrasty shadows which are very difficult to work with, even for professionals?

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  23. missing the point surely by jeff+munkyfaces · · Score: 2, Interesting
    one of the biggest advantages of digital photography is that you can easily crop and compose your images after you have taken them.

    apart from that, what is this article telling us about digital photography?

  24. some personal tips by Ubergrendle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm not a professional nor even a good amateur photographer. However, using some common sense I've found that I can consistently come up with some excellent shots that are comparable to my hard core photography-obsessed friends.

    #1. Its digital. Take a ton of shots. Take shots you don't think will turn out; take lots of the obvious shots. Shoot your camera with reckless abandon. It costs you ~nothing~. This technique was validated by a professional photographer friend later on...he claimed that at professional shoots you sometimes have a ratio of 10:1 or 100:1 of good vs bad shots, even with an optimum setup and years of experience on his side.

    #2. Know the limitations of your camera. If you don't have an big zoom lense, don't expect long distance shots to turn out. Digital zoom is pretty useless. Most digital cameras have a good short-to-middle distance focal length. Anything beyond that and you're pushing beyond your camera's limits.

    #3. Next best investment you can make to getting a good camera = tripod. Extend the exposures to get more clear pictures in low-light conditions, or dark coloured subject matter. Lots of shots I took at the time looked good in the LCD screen, but later turned out to be slightly blurred.

    #4. Avoid use of the flash. Its a 'brute force' attempt to get good lighting. Work with your ISO setting and exposure levels first. (remember your tripod!). If you don't know about ISOs or exposure, who cares, just take the same pic 3-4 times with different levels...you learn.

    5. Be brutal about your pics. Take 200, delete 190. Don't be the guy with the unending home movies... only keep and show the best of your best pics. You'll also get a good rep for taking good photos this way.

    6. Learn the basic filters in Photoshop and touch up your digital pics if necessary. I prefer Photoshop sepia and B&W to the filters that come with the camera.

    For hard core photographers this may all seem obvious, but for us beginners I found these 5 or 6 tips are what really made the difference for my pics. And they're easy to execute.

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  25. Use a proper flash by m.dillon · · Score: 3, Informative
    If you want the perfect shot, proper use of a flash is essential, especially with the limited contrast range (not enough bits per pixel) that even good digital cameras have issues with.

    (1) Get a good bounce flash, e.g. like the Canon 420 EX for Canon EOS cameras.

    (2) Get a diffusor ($0.01 worth of milky plastic, usually $5-$10 retail). For most shots either bounce the flash off the ceiling or use the diffusor. Never use a direct-pointing flash unless you have no choice (e.g. shots from a distance).

    (3) Learn how to properly use Tv, Av, and Manual modes with the flash to properly fill the image. I generally either use Av with the flash sync fixed at 1/200, or Manual mode to control how much of the shot is from natural light and how much is from the flash (on the Canon the flash exposure is automatic when operating in manual mode though for obvious reasons you have to be more careful about its exposure range capabilities).

    (4) The proper use of a flash for fill is even more important in bright sunlight due to the huge contrast between shadow and sunlight (especially on faces). I almost universally use the flash with the diffusor for daylight shots.

    And that's pretty much it. Most people don't use flashes properly, but it doesn't take much exposure :-) to at least double and maybe even triple the number of good shots you take in a day. As usual, I just happen to have some great examples:

    The BalloonHat guy at NextFest

  26. low light photography - personal tip by pomakis · · Score: 3, Interesting
    When I'm taking a photo of a non-moving subject (i.e., not a person) in low light, this is what I tend to do:

    • disable the flash
    • set the ISO to 50 to minimize "grain"
    • enable the timer (2-second preferrably)
    • place the camera on a rock, fence stump, hood of a car, whatever (in leiu of a tripod)
    • press the shutter release and stand back

    Results will vary, of course, but I've taken some awesome low-light shots this way. For example, this one. This technique isn't limited to digital photography either (with the exception of the setting-the-ISO part).

  27. The 1500s just called... by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 5, Funny

    With the 'Rise of Oil and Canvas' I suspect we will also see the 'Rise of the Dodgy Oil Painting'. As oils, brushes, and canvas get in the hands of more and more amateur painters there will be more and more average paintings cluttering the walls of the world. Already there must be millions of self portraits (complete with double chins), countless pictures of Aunt Mildred (cut off at the knees) and just as many poorly drawn renderings of everyday objects in the living rooms of new painters too lazy to move from the couch. Its time to learn how to make good art before its too late! Drawing and Painting Composition Tips aims to teach the world a few basic guidelines for improving painter's skills everywhere.

  28. My Advice for the Average photo moron by aflat362 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The average person who acquires a digital camera won't bother to read an article like this. Here's my dumbed down version of this advice and some of my own that maybe even the most technologically inept can appreciate and apply.
    • Give extra room - you can crop later. Too many photos don't give enough head room or whatever. If you can't run an imaging program to crop someone else can.
    • Buy the biggest memory card you can afford. When your taking pictures, take as many as you possibly can. Carry an extra card and extra batteries. Don't worry about reviewing the image on the 1.5 inch LCD screen and deleting it then. Wait till you import them onto your computer to give a fair assesment.
    • Try to be somewhat concience of what the flash on your camera does. Learn when to use it and how to turn it off and on. You will always see people in huge football stadiums taking a picture of the field from the 200th row with the flash on.
    • You don't have to Use the LCD Screen all of the time. You know, that fancy camera of yours does have a view finder on it. And it actually is possible to turn the LCD off and hold it up to your face. Many times this will give you a better shot. Especially when you are taking a picture in the dark. The LCD will be almost completely black and these people will be straining and straining trying to see images on the thing.
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  29. The People Who Need it Won't Read It by ReadParse · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not only are they completely unaware that they're bad photographers, they don't care. Their objectives when taking pictures are completely different than those who strive to take good pictures.

    RP

  30. history repeating itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ages ago I trained and worked (in the days of hot type, then offset lithography) as a graphic artist and typographer.

    We joked, when Desktop Publishing took off, that all it did was enable folks to make bad designs quicker.

    Likewise Digital Cameras and production systems allow one to make bad photographs faster than one could make them before.

    The truth of the matter is that the medium isn't to blame. The ease of production equates to more crap. But it doesn't stop good stuff being produced; indeed the sheer volume of production should (one hopes) increase the number of good photographs over time. If one can be bothered to filter through all the crap to find them!

    A deeper truth, to some, might be that the quality of most design has diminished because now "untrained" people are producing stuff the good and better design & images might simply not be produced now. As in - there won't be any Ansel Adams quality in our future.

    I'm inclined to think that's bullshit, though. Mass markets and accessible consumer products don't mean that the few fine art types won't produce wonders any more. Indeed the accessibility of the consumer products might even encourage a few more to take up fine art photography. Just as we've found that Desktop Publishing has raised the game overall ie there has always been crap out there, but the general level of the crap represents a HUGE improvement over what low-end jobbing printers produced before.

  31. And the business plan was... by dpbsmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1) Find 1939 article on "Leica photography composition tips"

    2) Change "Leica" to "Digital"

    3) ?????

    4) Profit!

    P. S. For best results, use Digital Kodak Verichrome Film and process in Digital-76 developer.

  32. Holding the camera is MOST important by lcsjk · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article leaves the "Hold the camera still" to near the bottom of the list. If you practice holding the camera still, braced against your face, a wall, frame or nearly anything, chances that your picture will have much better focus and that you will have at least a chance of a good picture. If you move the camera, it doesn't matter which brand you choose or how well you compose the picture. If you really have a problem with that, then consider a camera with automatic movement correction. (I have not tried them yet, but H Keppler gave it good marks.)(Pop-Photo)

    1. Re:Holding the camera is MOST important by JaumPaw · · Score: 3, Informative

      Also, consider a mini-tripod (about 20cm long). It is very helpful when taking picture at low light, and also is very mobile.

    2. Re:Holding the camera is MOST important by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, there are a few other basic ones too:

      Don't use the flash unless it is so dim, and the action is so fast, that you absolutely have to. Flash light is unnatural, causes skin to look shiny and brings blemishes out of nowhere. Not using a flash in low light means shots could be blurry with a 1/20 shutter or slower...but the colours will look so much more natural.

      Fix your goddamn white balance! Don't use the same white balance indoors you use outdoors or people will look all purple. And don't use the same with your flash that you use without!

      Another colour thing: most digitals have a really crummy ISO rating, so if you keep your camera on Auto Shutter, it'll adjust itself to use a really long exposure. So either put the camera down, put it on a tripod or if you can't, adjust the shutter to at least 1/20 if you're steady, 1/40 if you've been drinking, and 1/100 if the subject is moving at all. And keep your elbows tight against your sides, just like shooting a rifle.

      Something some people don't understand is that modern cameras have two positions for the shutter. Press down a little, and the camera does all of its auto work (focusing, metering, adjustments, etc). Press it again and it takes the picture. If you push the shutter all the way down before these adjustments are done, some cameras will take your word for it...and take a shitty picture! So, press down, give it a second, and press again. Kodak cameras force you to do this with a red light in the viewfinder. Best of all, put it on full tilt manual, do your adjustments before your subjects know you're taking the picture, and you're ready to hammer away whenever you like.

      Check out my digital photos to see how following these simple, stupid rules on colour and shutter speed can lead from SHITTY photos (like the ones I took in 2001) to PRETTY DAMNED GOOD ONES (like the ones I've taken this year).

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    3. Re:Holding the camera is MOST important by plover · · Score: 2, Insightful
      All good suggestions.

      A simple suggestion I'd have for you regarding the flash is to bounce it. Whenever I'm forced to use a flash, I like to bounce it off the ceiling whenever possible. (Ceilings are usually bright white, whereas walls that look white indoors may sometimes be off-white, giving an unnatural tint to the subject.)

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    4. Re:Holding the camera is MOST important by stuktongue · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is excellent advice. In particular, purchase the heaviest, most stable tripod you can afford. Mass ==> stability, especially in wind. Fewer leg extension elements is also better (4 beats 5 beats 6) for any given length. Carbon fiber vs. aluminum is mostly personal preference, though some prefer cf due to (slightly) reduced weight when considering a tripod for mobile use.

      Monopods are useful, too, but they should not be thought of as a replacement for a good tripod. Rather, they are useful in situations where tripods are not viable but stabilization is still desired. Developing good monopod technique is valuable.

      How slow you can shoot handheld is determined by many things; lens length, ISO speed, available light, etc. One-half second is pushing the limit, particularly if you intend to blow up your image at all. When images are blown up is when you really see the payoff of tripod use; images that seem sharp at 4x6 can look really bad at 8x10 or larger.

      For slashdotter's interested in photography, digital or film, check out photo.net ... it's pretty much the #1 photo geek site out there. Much info available for the enthusiast.

  33. Tip #10: Don't use a digital camera. by BlueStraggler · · Score: 5, Interesting
    A good quality Digital SLR costs many thousands of dollars, once you buy a decent selection of lenses. A similar film SLR, complete with a selection of quality lenses, can be picked up for as little as a hundred bucks on the used market from some older techno-geek who has gone digital. Add a scanner with a negative carrier, and you can digitize anything you shoot at any resolution that suits you. And, don't forget: never order prints when you get your film processed - request developing only. It's only a couple bucks a roll.

    It takes longer than pure digital, it's more complicated, it requires detailed technical knowledge, there is exotic machinery that must be mastered, every tip in this article still works, and you end up with amazing digital images with the warmth and tone of film, much to the amazement and envy of professional photographers everywhere. What's not to like?

    1. Re:Tip #10: Don't use a digital camera. by TheAwfulTruth · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you actually think that the result of a slide scanner beats the result of a digital SLR raw image file then I have to respectfully say, "You don't know what you are talking about".

      Not only does digital naturally have 1 to 2 zones of added exposure range over 35mm, but scanning any negative with even the best scanner reduces films already inferior exposure range by up to one additional zone! Not to mention reducing films potentially superior line resolution in the process to that of the current crop of digital SLRs.

      Don't compare film to a $99 snappy digital camera. If you are going to make judgements such as "Don't use digital". At least start out by comparing the output of a decent Digital SLR with a film SLR.

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  34. It is an I/O bottleneck, not a firmware problem. by Jim+McCoy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Slow burst speed is not a problem with the firmware or the lens/focus hardware, it is a simple I/O problem. Do the math here. If your digital camera could take 5 fast shots of 4 megapixels each, where would it put the data? It can't get it through that slow CF or SD interface that fast, so it has to buffer it somewhere. What the expensive cameras have that the cheap ones lack is RAM for the buffer so that it can store the shots while waiting to push them off to the storage device.

  35. Megapixels invalidate many of the rules by rkischuk · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The tips on choosing a good angle, lighting, "framing the picture" with foreground elements and such are still valid, but as cameras get higher resolution, I think many of these tips can be changed to "Favor taking wider and more versatile shots of the subject matter - choose image composition, orientation, location of subject matter etc. while editing the image."


    My 3 megapixel camera takes pictures that look great printed at 8X10". Ramp up to a 5 MP camera, and you can afford to crop, rotate, and reposition the subject of the picture in an image editor. In my opinion, more megapixels mean that you can take pictures for maximum flexibility rather than focusing on taking the perfect picture.

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  36. But I always thought... by allanj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that one of the big improvements to come with digital was the ability to shoot countless images and just keep the good ones without the cost/delay/inconvenience of developing traditional film. Back then it mattered that each photo was good because you couldn't review the photo before several days had passed, and it was important that each shot was good. Now, I tend to just take maybe 20 or 30 shots in rapid succession and rely on one or more to be good - a quick review will tell me if it's ALL bad, and in 30 seconds the memory is erased, and I can start snapping pictures again, this time moving to avoid the backlight or whatever spoiled the first batch.
    Not really arguing against learning to take better pictures - selfimprovement through learning is always GOOD (and geekish, mind you). It just doesn't seem as necessary as it once was.

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  37. Re:A conspicuous social artifact of digital camera by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 2

    Nobody has to worry about the development house laughing at them.

    This same effect also opens the world up to all kinds of quality home porn.

  38. What a strange lead-in by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 2, Funny

    With the 'Rise of the Digital Camera' I suspect we will also see the 'Rise of the Dodgy Digital Photo'. As digital cameras get in the hands of more and more snap happy photographers there will be more and more average images cluttering the PC's of the world.

    Oh my, is that negative or what? And a bit misguided too, in that (a) digital cameras are hardly new, and (b) this is a topic from the rise of the point-and-shoot camera era many decades ago. I did get a chuckle of out "I suspect," though. It sounds like something Peggy Hill would say :)

  39. fix compositing errors with the GIMP? by ubiquitin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    WinGIMP once carried a story about a high school digital photography class that made use of the GIMP to, among other things, fix basic errors.

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  40. DigitalSucks.com NSFW by bogie · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just fyi for those on the clock. The entire left hand side of the front page is Nudes. It may be just boobs but obviously many companies are going to have a problem with that.

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  41. Re:And this is news, because ... ? by Phurd+Phlegm · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm probably overly negative here, but why exactly is this "Stuff that matters"? Surely there must be more interesting things out there, like, say, ehmmm, about iTMS pending European launch?

    After all, bad snapshots have been around for ages and will be around for many more ages.

    Poorly-maintained computers have been around for (comparitive) ages, too.

    Nerds, like normal mortals, have interests that range more widely than how to liquid-cool their overclocked cell phones. "What matters" is more about a focus on excellence than a focus on a small segment of technology, at least to me. I'd like to be able to take an excellent picture, just like I'd like to brew an excellent cup of coffee and make a excellent triple-gainer from the nine meter board.

    The picture I might have a pretty good shot at.

  42. Look at the whole scene by akuzi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article is a very good summary of composition rules BUT the main reason most people's snaps are not well composed is quite simple - they don't look at the scene as a whole before they click the shutter button.

    90% of people are only looking at the main subject of their photo. This is why most people put the main subject in the middle of the scene - why almost always results in bad composition.

    This is where having either a SLR camera where you see the whole scene in the view-finder, or a preview screen on a digital camera is essential.
    Another essential feature is exposure and focus-lock that allows you to focus and take exposure readings off non-centered objects.

  43. As an amateur photographer by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I find it inefficient to take lots and lots of photos and keep only the best few. Makes for too many photos to review and evaluate before deleting the crap ones...

    This is what I do... I take my time, and I visualise what I want to get on the final image BEFORE even looking through the viewfinder or lcd screen.

    Then I try to make everything fit in the frame.

    I don't really follow the "rules" of aesthetics as defined by pros and critics, since the photos I take are for my own personal enjoyment and for decorating some walls, most of the time.

    Then there's also the issue of too many people deleting perfectly good photos because they personally dont like "how they look" on the photos, due to being way too self-conscious. This will lead to a biased of what the past really looked like, in the future, when looking at those carefully selected pictures.

  44. viewfinder woas by rothfoto · · Score: 2, Insightful

    another big problem is that in digi-cameras where the viewfinder is optical (not a small screen inside the viewfinder like a camcorder) what is seen through the finder is often different from what is recorded by the ccd (or cmos). this can lead to compositional errors that are not fully the fault of the user. i guess most people with consumer digi-cams use the lcd anyway, so this may not be as a big a problem as it could be.

  45. Digital Photography Composition Tips???? by eclectic_echidna · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The real trick is take lots of pictures.

    Improve your odds through the power of statistics. Some are bound to be good through sheer luck, so take more.

    It may not up your % of good pictures, but it can up your # of them...

    ee

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  46. Re:That secret.... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Insightful
    That secret is actually quite sophmoric. Most pros do not do this, only ones that aren't really good enough so they cover all their bases.

    This is true, but I don't think he was saying taking hundreds of pictures indiscriminately is the way to get a few good shots. I think it was implicit (though, admittedly, not necessarily obvious) that one should be choosing one's shots rather than firing off the camera at every turn. The real wisdom is to choose your shots and not just take one picture.

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  47. A site about photography in general by clutch110 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here is a site that I started to frequent often. It has a load of small articles on taking pictures, everything from lighting, to composition, to types of photographs. Fodor's Focus on Photography Enjoy!

  48. Re:How about throwing away 999 out of 1000? by Glonoinha · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think that 1 of 10 is a pretty good number. Most people aren't getting published, they are just taking pictures for themselves and friends.

    Look through Joe Random's 64M compactflash card that has 500 pictures on it and I bet you could find 50 pretty good ones. The trick is to take those 50 out of context (ie, delete all the other crappy ones and merely 'good' ones) and all of a sudden it looks like he took 50 really good pix. He did, actually, but you need to learn to only go public with the good ones and not show all the ones that aren't as good as those 50.

    Hence the rule.

    And the biggest reason I can't take pictures as good as the photographers for Penthouse / Playboy has nothing to do with technical merits or ability and everything to do with that pesky restraining order.

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  49. The Camera is NOT that important by acomj · · Score: 2, Informative

    The camera has to work.. It has to have a good lens, but in the overall analysis it has little to do with images. I've taken great pictures with a cheap manual focus ae-1 and a fixed focus 55mm lens and crappy photos with a better camera. Sometimes technology helps but its not the be all end all to taking pictures. People have been holding cameras over there heads and taking pictures without the benifit of that screen for a long time.

    Ken rockwell has a good summary of this philosophy, called You camera doesn't matter

  50. take Photography 101 at your community college! by caveat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ..since the basic principles are the same whether you're using digital or film (i'm suprised people don't realize this more often - there's all sorts of articles about how to become a "better DIGITAL photographer", as if one can be a master with a 35MM SLR but pick up a digi and instantly forget everything...sorry, going off on a tangent there).
    lord knows my digital shots got a lot better after i took black once you've been formally schooled in composition, even just for a semester, it all just sort of subconsciously falls together in the viewfinder (or on the LCD as the case may be) and you get a lot more passable pictures.

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  51. Works both ways by mwillems · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sure, it needs to be learned. But the effect is not all bad - actually it works both ways. I am an avid amateur photographer who has swapped his SLR's for digital SLR's. All digital now and loving it. Here's the compensating effects:

    - I shoot ten times more so the chance of great pics is ten times higher. I actually produce a lot more good shots now.

    - Four letters: PS CS. Photoshop CS allows you to take raw images that are terribly underexposed, and push them to get excellent exposures. Also, skin blemishes, things that you just did not notice in th epicture, etc: all vanish with Photoshop.

    Andyes, the printing press alloed bad writers to write, and the same will happen here - but the net effect will be a hack of a lot more great photos worldwide.

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  52. Tips and Tricks by raelimperialaerosolk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Lots of agreement to lots of previous posts...my $0.02:

    Back in the day I shot lots of black and white with my Canon F1. The B&W file was cheap (bulk loaded) and I could develop it myself. The great thing about B&W is that it teaches you composition. No pretty flowers to distract the eye...you look for shadows and highlights, an emotion, some action.

    I always always figured that 10% of my pics were good enough to print, the rest was junk.

    My brother in law just got a fancy Canon Digital SLR (his mom came into some $$ and bought it for him). He's a nice guy, but doesn't know a THING about photography. I'm always explaining f-stops, and shutter speed, and lighting conditions, depth of field, etc. He needs to learn the basics...and at least in the digital realm, he can do it cheaply.

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  53. Re:A conspicuous social artifact of digital camera by mrhartwig · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sorry, been there, done that. Was trying to do something "artsy" for my high school photography class back in the late 70's....

    And no, don't ask for the pic. A) I ain't that good-looking, and B) Heaven only knows where the negative & print is.

  54. Practice. by Raven42rac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Those average shots are practice for the shutterbug. Do you think everyone starts out shooting rhinos in the African jungle? The post sounds borderline elitist, along the lines of "people who use Garageband are not really musicians". Can't you be happy for people who want to learn how to do things? These are your potential contemporaries.

    I have a Nikon Coolpix 5000 with a rotatable screen, I ditch all of my average shots and keep the ones I like. I have been told I have an eye for composition and what makes a good shot, and I set pretty high standards for myself. It is figuring out flash, shutter speed, length of exposure, aperture, zoom, focus, white balance, that comprises most "average" shots.

    The last set of film photos I took, I developed a total of 98, and thought that about 15 were keepers. I have a much higher rate of keepers with my digicam, because, for the most part, what you see is what you get. This is even more the case with an SLR.

    If you are truly a student of the game, take a class at a community college, read all the magazines you can afford to read, hit the library for books. There are tons of resources out there for those serious about learning photography.

    Photography, like any other form of art, is purely subjective. What may look good to one person, may look horrible to another. Maybe to some people the picture of their Aunt is very special to them, while some may ridicule it, there was a reason the picture was shot. To capture a moment in time. And that is all photography is, an attempt to stop time in it's tracks.

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  55. Get a fast camera. by Medievalist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My method of photography is "Start shooting before whatever you want to shoot happens, and keep going until after it's over".

    I was so happy when they came up with fast-forward-winding film cameras. The more pictures you can shoot, the more chances of a serendipitous shot you'dve never have been able to set up in a million years.

    Digital imaging greatly reduces the cost of this method - I was getting two or three awesome pics per roll of file, so I couldn't afford to do very many - but unfortunately many of the digital cameras have a slow cycle time, and you'll find yourself between clicks when the pie hits the President.

    Check out camera speed before you buy!

  56. What I didn't see mentioned... by cdyson37 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Lead the eye. One of the basic objectives of a good photograph is to keep the viewer looking at the picture. Using lines to lead the eye works well to draw attention to parts of the picture. Fences, roads, coastlines all create interest as well as leading the eye around the picture. Conversely, lines going out of the picture will lead the viewer outside of the picture, and make them feel less interested in it.

    Frames, as discussed in the article also help to create interest for much the same reason, because they also try and stop the eye from leaving the image.

  57. 2 second timer = virtual tripod by celltower · · Score: 4, Informative

    One low light trick I use in low light conditions (I don't like flash in crowds and because it flattens the image): Set the 2-second timer. A lot of camera shaking comes from the act of pressing the shutter. That shaking is gone after 2-seconds. Doesn't work for action shots, but your shutter is open too long for decent action shots anyway. Bonus tip for arms-length self portraits. My Canon ELPH has a little silver logo-button on the front. When I see my reflection in the logo, I can compose the shot. Fun for vacations.

  58. Digital Photo and the GIMP - High School Course by pnelson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here'a a digital photo course using the GIMP published under the Creative Commons license. You might find it interesting.

  59. Re:How do you process such RAW data? by rgmoore · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most camera manufacturers provide converter software as part of the package, and in some cases it's of a higher quality than the stuff built into the camera. This shouldn't be surprising, since there are fewer time and processing power constraints in off-line processing.

    AFAIK, though, the best available software is Dave Coffin's dcraw program. It's available as free software under a non-advertizing BSD-style licence. It can be used either as a standalone converter (with Windows, Mac, and Linux versions available) or as a GIMP plugin. The author also claims that the program, or at least parts of it, is used in many commercial programs including Photoshop. I've been pretty pleased with the results so far.

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  60. Tip #1: Use a Good Film SLR by $criptah · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have been doing photography for almost 10 years and there is no way I will trade my film Nikons for anything digital short of digital SRL because everything else is simply crap. From what I've experienced, digital cameras are divided into crappy and very crappy. Here is my opinion on this matter.

    When you get a digital camera for several hundred bucks you are getting robbed by the manufactures because most of cheap consumer point-and-shoot cameras (film and digital) come with a non-replaceable lens. To make the matters worse, these lenses are tend to be on a shitty side. They have less-than-average capabilities, no special effects and if you scratch it, you are shit out of luck. The camera will need to be repaired which may cost you a good chunk of money. Will you ever buy a car that has an engine that you cannot replace? What if this engine happens to be not so good? And there you have it, my problem #1 with digital point-and-shoot cameras: crappy, irreplaceable lenses that make you handicapped when it comes to special effects. In fact, the lens should be the most expensive part of your camera becase it is that important. If you ask professional photographers what to get, most of them will suggest to spend more money on the actual lens because lens is what matters! You can have an all manual old Nikon with a superb lens that will outperform any digital camera that is full of features but lacks what is absolutely necessary: a good lens.

    Then there is an issue of color. If I want to manipulate colors, I use different film, filters and ask for different processing. With a digital camera, the hardware can do everthing for you. The problem is that hardware is not perfect. In fact, there is a fair amount of guess work involved when a chip inside your digital camera tries to calculate the color. As a result you get too many digital cameras that are thrown off by reds. Do not believe me? Take a picture of something red on grey background. Then compare it to the real setup. Most of the times reds come out over saturated. If you think that this is not a big deal, take pictures of people with rosy cheeks. Chances are, your subjects will never ask you for a re-print. That is problem #2.

    Problem #3 is shot specifict. In particular, very few digital cameras can produce clear nigh shots without making certain things purple. The best way to find out is to take a picture of street lights and objects close to them. In many cases you will see a rim of purple around the lights. Does it matter? Well, if you spend $300 on a camera, don't you think that you deserve a camera that can take good shots at night? Do not get me wrong, if I were to spend fifty bucks, I would not bitch about it, but if Fuji wants me to get their FinePix, they better fix those fuckedup color schemes that come up in night shots!

    Problem #4 is zoom. None of 10x zoom cameras that I've seen so far had lens stabilizers. In plain English: when lenses were zoomed out, you could giggle any extended part of the lens. To my best knowlege, only certain Panasonic cameras were able to stabilize the lens and prevent it from being shaken.

    Problem #5: accessories. Most of cheap digital cameras do not offer hot shoes or metal tripod mounts. I use tripods in a good fraction of my shots and I would hate to repair my camera's plastic tripod mount every once in a while. In my opinion, a good tripod mount must be mandatory for every camera. If your camera comes without a hot-shoe, you might as well throw it away, because you will not be able to use a flash. I am sorry to disappoint you, but a little flash that comes with your camera is nothing but a fill-in flash. It is not suitable for distant objects, it is not suitable for a large scene. If you want to be serious about photography, you'll have to spend at least $150 on a good flash.

    Problem #6: manual features. I believe that every camera's feature must be available in "manual mode." Users must be able to override everything from focusing to shutter speed

    1. Re:Tip #1: Use a Good Film SLR by cvdwl · · Score: 2, Informative
      Good Lord, man, take a breather!

      There are, in fact, people out there who are not trying for Art Wolfe or Galen Rowell (sp?) on every photo. We want a decent representation of what we saw, and we want to see it right now, without pulling out the slide projector and dimming the room, or printing a 16x20. These are people who buy disposable cameras and print their film at Long's Drugs.

      I used to shoot exclusively slide film. My slides of Laos, New Zealand and Europe are moldering in a box somewhere until I get the time and equipment to scan them. I haven't looked at them since I got back and sorted them, laboriously, with a slide projector, over about a month.

      My digital pictures of Antarctica, the Californian Sierra Nevada, and New Zealand (round two) are in my hard drive. I look at them almost every day; friends and family see the web page whenever they want. Given my computer screen is 1.3 megapixel, my 5 megapixel camera was overkill. Yeah, the Antarctic ice isn't as white as I remembered it, but the penguins are still cute and the marine life still pretty (took a Canon digital housing... it flooded... [mod:irrelevvant]). And I challenge ANY slide projector to provide the necessary lumens to accurately render any image of an ice sheet on a sunny day with black penguins in the foreground. Even my eyes really couldn't handle that much light without serious squinting and GOOD shades.

      Digital is a medium, just like slides; it has it's strengths and weaknesses, just like slides. If people want to take memories rather than art, they still would be better off not cutting off Millie's legs or shooting the family picture into a setting sun.

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    2. Re:Tip #1: Use a Good Film SLR by Nemesis099 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree with everything you said if you apply it to pro photography.

      But not everyone is a pro! For pics of fluffy or some family event you don't need an slr camera. Also you mention how the lenses aren't interchangable well believe it or not 35mm cameras exist that don't have interchangable lenses. Are those people idiots for not spending more money on an 35mm SLR? No they aren't they just have different priorities.

      Saying all of this I will say I own and digital SLR and absolutly love it. I also think people should try to take better pictures but since some people just aren't good at it I feel fine taking my own pictures and letting them buy prints off of ofoto.com

  61. digital photography candids by oomis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think that one of the best things to come out of the widespread adoption of digital photography is the fact that it has become so much easier for people to (inadvertantly in most cases) document their lives.

    What's valuable about this is that the quantity of pictures has increased - and this includes all the crappy candids that capture the moment, instead of the scene. And it's the moment that matters in candids, not necessarily the anal-retentiveness of making sure that the best shot possible is taken.

    This being said, the better a photographer knows the fundamentals of photography and the ins and outs of the camera, the better the pictures will be, but when a person starts fiddling with the camera at the expense of the moment, the spontenaity simply goes away and that moment is lost.

    *shrug* some of my most valuable pictures are ones taken on a crappy camera, that aren't totally in focus, and that are plain bad pictures. But to me, and to my friends that identify with the moment that was captured, and to my son who will grow up and learn something about me from the pictures that he would never see if the pictures (crappy though they be) didn't exist....none of that matters.

  62. 1 out 10? by bored_geek · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You get 1 out of 10! You're good! I get about 1 in 25 on film and about 1 in 40 with digital.

    Knowing you don't have to pay for the tossed photos makes it really easy to push the button a few extra times.

  63. The old "hat trick" works with digital, too by plover · · Score: 2, Informative
    Set the camera up for a two or more second exposure. Cover the lens with a black hat. Be careful not to touch the camera, just surround the lens with a black, non-reflective opaque object, such as a hat. Trip the shutter, wait a second or so for the vibrations to settle down, then remove and replace the hat to expose the picture.

    It's a trick that's worked since chemical photography was invented, and it still works with digital today. (I've done it with outdoor night photos.)

    One problem with extremely long exposures in the dark that is peculiar to digital is that noise in the sensors becomes extremely apparent. You might see "static" or "snow" on extremely long, dark exposures. If that's a problem you encounter, try keeping the camera as cool or cold as possible (don't put it in the freezer and frost the thing, though!) That means leave it out in the cold rather than tightly held in your jacket, for example; and spare the LCD display as much as possible as the EL panels really warm them up.

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  64. Re:Set the camera to dummy mode by carlos_benj · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is that the mode where you hand the camera to someone nearby and say, "Here, I'm too stupid to use this."

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  65. What I do... by OneFix+at+Work · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I started out with a Pentax K-1000, taking photos for Journalism in High School and developing my own B&W film.

    I still have the K-1000, but I got rid of my Kodak Color Lab a while back. Chemicals are expensive...if I don't take any photos for a year, I have to buy all new chemicals (certainly a major cost problem). Film (I mean good film) really costs. Photoshop is so much easier/cheaper than having to buy new filters/equipment.

    In the digital darkroom there is no real cost for film, and not much trade off for Color vs. B&W, so all of your pictures can be taken in color and changed via Gimp/Photoshop to set the "mood".

    I currently own (and use as my primary camera) a Canon Powershot A70. You don't need a SLR to take good photos, if you're just taking photos of a skyline, trees, etc...you can still get good results with a well built snapshot camera.

    The things to remember are the following:

    Learn the limitations of your camera. Know how to get the best photos using the manual settings. A good start is generally setting the ISO Rating to ISO 50, set a fast shutter speed and a higher aperture. Set the highest resolution and quality setting. Turn off the flash unless it's absolutely necessary (your subjects will look "dead" otherwise) and don't get too carried away with zoom (digital or otherwise)...

    Now, why am I using a snapshot camera and not an SLR??? Some people want you to belive that because they spent $1000 on their camera, they somehow take better photos than those of us spending $300 for a camera. Despite what others would have you belive, you can still take bad photos with an SLR and you can certainly take great photos with a snapshot camera.

    Don't belive that good photos can be taken with "cheap" cameras...Look at this site...where all of the photos have been taken with an Aptek PenCam (earlier shots were taken with the $30 PenCam VGA)...

  66. NudityDirty by orasio · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know which country you live in, but I believe in the modern world those are not considered dirty pictures, and non suitable for work, if spending your work time on the web is allowed in the first place.
    In my city, we have a reproduction of the Michaelangelo's David at the door of the City Hall, and he is nude there.
    I believe in most places, it would be more troublesome to be caught all day slashdotting than watching some [wannabe] artistic pics, nude or not.

    1. Re:NudityDirty by spoco2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No Matter how you try and justify the validity of looking at these works or not (I happen to think they are lovely), it's perfectly fine to warn people that there is nudity on the page, as quite frankly many work places are going to throw a tantrum if they see you looking at a page with boobs on it.

      That's the way it is, so don't pick on the guy for just warning people.

  67. Think FAST by jimlintott · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One of the best tips I've ever received is think FAST

    Focus
    Aperature
    Shutter
    Think

    It's like a checklist that is now a habit. Works well in the darkroom, too. (The darkroom was a magic place where we would develop film and make images appear on paper.)

  68. Another GREAT site - DeviantArt by spoco2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    OK, I'm quite the avid photographer, and there is a supurb site for posting your pieces and getting critiqued, and you can end up selling them there too, it's www.deviantart.com Which is always amusing to me when I tell people my page there (spoco2.deviantart.com ) as they assume it's all about porn or other such 'deviant' behaviour... it's a great site, with digital and film photographers and all sorts of other artists as well... a great place to hone your skills

  69. Composition My Ass by Axel2001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And yet again, I see the idiocy that the so-called "digital revolition" has spawned ... composition for digital. How is composition for digital different than composition for film? I could understand lighting for digital or something of that nature... The "digital revolution" has caused people who never would have had any interest in photography to get involved in it - and I'm all for that. But many of these folks are very techno-savvy, and probably lack artistic ability. Digital photography is great for convenience. It helps out people who don't care enough about their photos to wait an hour to see them. It has spurred a market of technology-hungry consumers who want the latest and the greatest, and who usually care little about "composition." Don't believe me? Then why does Joe Blow go out and buy that 1GB CF card to hold a jillion images, everyone one of which he is going to go home and edit in PhotoShop? Any other book on composition will give you as good or better information - anyone who concentrates on equipment as a defining characteristic of composition knows little about the art of photography.

  70. Re:easy fix for white balance by dasmegabyte · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just do what we used to do at the TV station: I carry a piece of 96 bright laserjet paper with me. Put it down, aim the camera at it (from an angle...no shadows please) and hit the auto white balance button. No issues.

    The coffee filter idea doesn't work quite so hot, since they aren't really white either. But that 96 (or brighter) paper almost GLOWS, even in low light.

    Oh, and today at the arena, I was having trouble getting a good balance because of smoke from pyrotechnics. So I zoomed in on the abdomen of a woman in a white shirt. Look at the shots I took after that, there's a noticable difference in the color histogram.

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