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NASA's Personal Satellite Assistants

colonist writes "Wired News reports on the Personal Satellite Assistant (PSA), a spherical robot about the size of a softball that uses air jets to move in the microgravity environment of space vehicles and habitats. Described as a cross between Star Trek's tricorder and Star Wars' lightsaber training droid, the PSA has 'sensors for measuring gases, temperature, and air pressure' and performs 'video conferencing and can communicate with electronic support devices such as computer servers, avionics systems, and wireless LAN bridges'." We mentioned these a few years ago - looks like they've come a long way since then.

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  1. Other links of interest by bonghorn · · Score: 5, Informative

    More information is available here and here.

    Kind of weird that they don't play up the fact it runs linux more.

    1. Re:Other links of interest by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 4, Funny

      LINUX! He said the magic word! [cacaphony of sound ensues]

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    2. Re:Other links of interest by WarriorPoet42 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does anyone else find it funny that the main comparisons made are not to current tech, but to Star Trek and Star Wars?
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  2. the BIT by drenehtsral · · Score: 5, Funny

    It sounds to me like the Bit from tron =:-) *YES* *NO*

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    1. Re:the BIT by Claire-plus-plus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe it's Cursor from Automan... Oh please don't say I am the only person who remembers Automan.

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    2. Re:the BIT by CaptnMArk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It was great when was little.

      I wonder how it would look now.

    3. Re:the BIT by tassii · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was more thinking something from Disney's "The Black Hole".

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  3. The poor guy on the front page by Peale · · Score: 2, Funny

    All that money wasted on this project, could have gotten this guy some plastic surgery. Poor man...

  4. More on Defense Tech by noahmax · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a bunch more on how the Trek-inspired 'bot was built and tested here.

  5. Cross between what now? by SpiffyMarc · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's a cross between the tricorder and the lightsaber training droid... so... it shoots at me until I'm hit, and then uses that little detachable wand to scan my wound?

    That's awesome. Put me down for two.

  6. Not weird. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If they played it up, congress would accuse them of being Commies, and make them make it run Windows, and frankly, I think we'd all rather have a rogue lightsaber training droid in our shuttle, than one of these guys running Windows.

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  7. Earning my nerd stripes by darth_MALL · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wrong SW droid man! The IT-0 droid in that link is a torture droid. You will find the correct Training Remote Here. May the Force be with YOU!

  8. strap a helium baloon to it! by w3weasel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    strap a helium baloon to it! why should space-men have all the fun toys!

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    1. Re:strap a helium baloon to it! by Avian+visitor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      strap a helium baloon to it!

      I imagine you would need quite a large volume of helium to lift something like that.

      Did you ever try to hang something to that helium baloon you got for free at the fair? It can lift a piece of paper and not much more.

      Check this flying saucer. This big bag of helium can lift only a small battery, receiver and an electric motor. Strap a PDA to it, and you would probably need twice the volume.

      I guess you could do better if you used hydrogen, but then I don't think anyone would be confortable with a big bag of explosive gas automaticaly following him.

  9. Cost of Space Missions by artlu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If droids can replace mundane human tasks on space missions, then Nasa is doing very well to spend their money on these things. Just think of it as a droid automating the stupid tasks of checking environmental controls, or outside activity. pretty cool.

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    1. Re:Cost of Space Missions by russianspy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly - how about let it go outside to do a visual scan of the station/spacecraft and send the video back in? Of course, the propulstion would need to be different. Maybe one that can walk on shuttle skin?

  10. Anybody else hearing that description ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 3, Funny
    start thinking about V.I.N.CENT(Vital Information Necessary CENTralized)?

    Oh, was that a bad movie. And I paid to see it too.

  11. also by abscondment · · Score: 4, Informative

    also being covered at some sites.

  12. Idea: by Paulrothrock · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why not put a small CO2 cartridge in it so that it could move through a space that has been depressurized? This would probably come in handy for, say, checking the status of a system after an accident.

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    1. Re:Idea: by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 4, Informative
      The complexities of ingress an egress for a robot through an air lock are not simple algorithms.

      Now assuming you get past that, something bumbling around in space needs armor to withstand micrometeorites, radiation shielding for the electronics, and some sort of thermal insulation to prevent the mechanics from tearing themselves apart when the sun side of the droid is at 400 degress and the shade site at -200.

      CO2 propellent can't be proportionally controlled as well as air from a fan, so you loose fine positioning control. And you have the problem of running out or propellent.

      I think that about covers it.

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    2. Re:Idea: by Paulrothrock · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I meant inside the station. It's better than the poor thing wearing out its batteries spinning its fans in an airless environment, and safer than having the humans go in there.

      As for the airlock thing, I imagine the algorithm would go like this: 1)Wait for airlock door to open. 2) Enter airlock, 3) Move into position to exit airlock, 4)On depressurization, use CO2 jets to move out of airlock once egress door is open. Or you could have a human pilot it remotely, since it's already got a camera.

      Monitoring tank PSI and location (which I imagine it already does), you could make it so that you need to sudo anything that will put it somewhere it can't get back from. And timed bursts + a little math (for decreasing pressure in the tanks) = good enough control for emergencies.

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    3. Re:Idea: by tassii · · Score: 2, Informative

      Something like this from this article at Space.com.

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    4. Re:Idea: by Mondoz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The fans could still be used to orient the device. Spin a fan one direction, the device rotates in the other direction.

      This kind of gyroscopic attitude control has been used for years in zero-gravity environments.

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  13. Reminds me... by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Of that thing from Flash Gordon the freezes anyone who tries to assasinate Ming.

    I saw these things at NASA's AMES research center a few years ago. The article says they could be in serivice within three years too. Very cool.

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  14. Oh great... by cindy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Imagine Clippy come to life and able to follow you around commenting on everything you do.

    Lifespan: 2 hours
    Cause of failure: smashed against bulkhead by astronaut

  15. Not that cool by scottennis · · Score: 5, Funny

    On the coolness meter it only rates slightly higher than sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads.

  16. Yup by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 3, Informative
    "The PSA, running on a Pentium II processor and GNU Linux OS, would store the steps instead, and use a built-in speaker or LCD screen to tell or show the astronauts what they need to do."
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  17. It runs linux? by Mz6 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Thank goodness because if it was Windows I could only imagine...

    *enter Clippy*
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    1. Re:It runs linux? by tassii · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Blue Screen of Death" gathers a whole new meaning...

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  18. Re:why? by PhuCknuT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because it's a prototype, and they need a way in when they're debugging the wireless hardware/software.

  19. Sounds like a good idea but... by slusich · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the cramped quarters of something like a space station, do you really want something else floating loose to run into?

  20. Question... by teknokracy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Do astronauts on the ISS have normal internet? Or are they just linked in an intranet and with NASA ground intranets....?

    1. Re:Question... by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'm googling now. But I think it's links with a private network.

      An article in Space.com back in 2000 describes the ISS Crew as having email, but no Internet access. Email is pretty easy to spool up and delivered when the ISS is in communication range. Web access is another matter entirely. (Remember, it's traveling around the world every 90 minutes. It's constantly hopping between ground relay stations.)

      Even if they do have internet access today, they probably have to spool up the sites they want to see and cache them through a proxy/radio relay/whathaveyou.

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  21. Landing party blues... by GillBates0 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Jim: "Hmmm..a road eh...a sign of civilisation....set your phasers to 'kill'. Give me a tricorder reading Spock."

    Spock: "Atmosphere: breathable oxygen/nitrogen mixture..."

    Scotty: "..I should bloody well hope so.....and anyway..Federation Standard Landing Party Procedure states that tricorder readings of atmospheric content should take place BEFORE we set foot on the planet"

    Spock: "That's Federation bureaucrats for you....Someone should point out to them that it's only possible to take a tricorder reading once you're actually there..."

    Scotty: "but...but...but what happens if the atmosphere wasn't breathable?"

    Spock: "It always is...."

    Jim: "Anything else on the tricorder Spock?"

    Spock: "Yes I'm picking up some primitive radio frequency signals... ...here listen..."

    [...it's a brand new dance now...come on baby..do the locomotion...]

    Jim: "..primitive indeed..."

    Spock: "I bet she's got nice legs though.."

    Jim: "Spock!..what's wrong with you...that was Scotty's line..."

    WHAT happened next?)

    Next Week: Episode 4.

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  22. Re:Friggin Lasers by gmletzkojr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But if this thing has a laser pointer attached to it, and it has the accuracy to point at the right button to press, why couldn't it just press the button itself and skip the astronauts?

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  23. Still just a pipe dream... by Mondoz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In order for this sort of thing to actually do the things it's described as being able to do, it's going to have to work and play well with the other systems onboard.

    One of the tools indicated on this device is an inventory scanner. Whomever is working on this project has yet to contact anyone in the inventory department about interfacing with the inventory software IMS (Inventory Management System) which uses its own barcode readers.

    This still has a long way to go before anyone sees them floating around any of the orbiting vehicles.

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  24. Combined with Just in time training and sensors... by 955301 · · Score: 4, Funny

    sphere: Sensors indicate that the oxygen level in the cabin have decreased dramatically.

    astro-tauko-cosmo-naut: gasp!

    sphere: You appear to be suffocating. Would you like some training on the use of the backup oxygen supply?

    astro-tauko-cosmo-naut: cough... gasp!

    sphere: I did not understand your answer.

    sphere moves in front of 'naut to hear the response, obstructing the backup mask.

    astro-tauko-cosmo-naut passes out.

    sphere: You appear to have suffocated. I'm sorry, but I don't have instructions for you to follow on what to do next.

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  25. One Thing To Say by DarkHazard · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ultimate dodgeball.

  26. Yeah, but at 5 ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 2, Funny
    you probably didn't pay to see it. There's a big difference right there.

    Ernest Borgnine in space. Are there scarier thoughts?

  27. Can they cooperate? by blueZ3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Leaving aside the Beowulf cluster jokes... I wonder if these could work cooperatively? It seems like six or eight of them could move light stuff around.

    Or for projects were more than one view would be helpful (aligning parts by remote, for instance) because of the lack of image depth, you could send two or three to capture an image from different viewpoints to help with the alignment.

    Cool!

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  28. More like Forward's "Christmas Trees" by TheGreatGraySkwid · · Score: 3, Informative

    In Robert Forward's Rocheworld series, his characters have a fractally organized device called "The Christmas Tree." The limbs of the tree could break off, and the branches of those limbs could do likewise, and so on until you have little tiny clusters. Each cluster had some small amount of processing power, and sensor capability, and motile capability. A small branch was always with/following around after/worn by every crewmember, and could be used for pretty much everything these "PSAs" are intended for.

    Lots of good science in the Rocheworld books, but as prose and characters go...well, the science is really neat...

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  29. Re:PSA by MonkeyCookie · · Score: 4, Funny

    When I saw the picture of it, I also immediately thought of that torture droid thingy that Darth Vader was using during interrogations, rather this one is red and missing the big needle.

    Maybe they will use it to interrogate any aliens they come across.

    NASA astronaut: "Tell me the coordinates to your home planet!"
    Alien: "Nooo! I'll never tell!"
    NASA astronaut: "Have it your way. Bring me the personal satellite assistant! It will relieve me of the humdrum task of "convincing" you otherwise."

  30. tri droid by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Funny

    " Described as a cross between Star Trek's tricorder and Star Wars' lightsaber training droid, the PSA has 'sensors for measuring gases, temperature, and air pressure' "

    So.. it can shoot at you, then detect that you soiled yourself. I want one of these for my cat!

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  31. Re:why? by servognome · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most hardware in space vehicles is old.
    RS232 is there probably so its compatible with the computers running on the space shuttle or ISS.

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  32. Re:A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away by servognome · · Score: 4, Funny

    Darth Vader already had such an assistant. (Episode IV) "And now, your highness, we will discuss the location of your hidden rebel base..."
    Given Vader was Leia's father, right after he asked about the base, he probably continued with:
    "Now lets talk about your cell phone bill. How the HELL do you spend 50,000 credits text messaging han_solo@falcon.net?! You think I'm made of money? I have a freaking goverment job, and I'm still paying on the loans I had to take out to pay for your mother's dresses! Back when I was your age I got my damn arm chopped off in the war, trying to keep those droid nazi's from taking over...."

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  33. Yes, the most consitant comment from it would be.. by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Looks like you're trying to avoid a small annoying talking ball. Would you like help with that?"

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  34. Hanover Fist, Paging Hanover Fist! by blueZ3 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ha! Loved that flick... Anybody got any Plutonium Nyborg?

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  35. RS-232 Purposes by Teancum · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While it may be "Old School", it is still a very useful communications option, particularly when other hardware is failing. Serial data communication is very solid, and usually easy to add or even built-in to most CPU modules that you would be use for a project like this. Bluetooth and WiFi is definitely not "built-in" like this. Essentially, for about $0.20 worth of hardware you can throw on a DB-9 port and have an excellent diagnostics access port when almost nothing else is working. I've seen RS-232 serial communication happen when almost no other communication can be taking place, due to RF interference or even fluctuating voltage levels from power supplies.

    That said, I don't think this would be used for routine communication, but rather for firmware upgrades and other long-term setup. The DB-9 port can also be used as the power connector, to help recharge the batteries inside the unit (also a part of the RS-232 specification).

  36. But Can they fight? by The_Real_Nire · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can these things be programmed to duke it out with each other for the entertainment of the space station's crew? 0 grav battle bots they just need to attach drill bits, chain saws, etc. hrm, probably not too safe though

  37. Doin' the Locomotion by BCHodo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was looking at the conceptual model, and I noticed that the thruster arrangement only applies force in the x, y and z axes. There are no nozzles that allow pitch, yaw and roll. Then I looked at the testbed. It has thrusters in the x and y axes that would also allow yaw changes, but no z translation, and no pitch or roll. Now, maybe they were planning to use gyros in the final version, but that would seem to be an unnecessary complication. It might be easier to have thruster nozzles with small electrically controlled baffles to open and close the nozzles, and 1 or 2 internal fans to intake and exhaust air (in a pressurized environment) from/to the appropriate nozzle(s).

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