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FCC Settles Censorship Claims with ClearChannel

The Importance of writes "Earlier this week Slashdot debated whether the FCC should be abolished. One of the reasons many think the FCC should go away is because of censorship. Well, yesterday, the FCC settled all existing censorship investigations with Clear Channel for $1.75M and a promise to be better in the future, such as by firing DJs for their first offense. Clear Channel also plead guilty to violating indecency standards, but no one is saying what, exactly they said that was wrong. On the other hand, the FCC seems to have forgotten that they decided a couple of months ago to regulate profanity in addition to indecency. In other FCC news, they've posted the internet section of the FCC History Project."

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  1. thats nice, but by Spanyrd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    what about the fact that they own the entire market in some areas?

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    1. Re:thats nice, but by rusty0101 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Unless they own over half of the "media" in the area, including TV, Cable, and local Print media, the FCC does not consider them to have a fraction to be concerned about.

      This is one of the reasons US West (before merger with Qwest) had to drop interest in some of the Cable companies they had purchased when they had partner ownership with both Time Warner, and Disney. As a result some of the markets they were in included all of the media outlets.

      -Rusty

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  2. Shakedown by SIGALRM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Federal Communications Commission had already proposed almost $800,000 in fines against the radio giant ... but the settlement wipes the slate clean.

    So the payoff wasn't for actual fines, it was for the threat of fines to come.

    Sounds like a shake-down to me.

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    1. Re:Shakedown by slashd'oh · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, in the Reuters article, not all of the Commissioners were in agreement about this, since it lumped all the claims together into one settlement:

      "FCC Commissioner Michael Copps voted against the settlement, arguing it failed to examine all the complaints against the company and the incidents could not be considered when deciding whether to renew the company's radio licenses."

    2. Re:Shakedown by zoobaby · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That was no shakedown. It was ClearChannel BUYING OFF the FCC. The FCC had already proposed $800,000 in fines and there were more complaints that would have lead to even more fines, most likely totalling more than $1.7 million. ClearChannel now has a clean slate and can probably get away with a few fine-able offences.

    3. Re:Shakedown by Zareste · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Interesting. FCC is definitely cashing in on their new 'we control what you say' regulations. Impressive. Nobody's buying their 'think of the children' act anymore but it really doesn't matter anymore, does it? Control what everyone's aloud to say and hear and make a load of money off it? I want that job.

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  3. Clean up the Air on the Tech Side, Too by nyekulturniy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm in favor of maintaining regulatory standards over programming. However, when is the FCC going to get its act together and clean up the technical mess on the medium-wave band?

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  4. But what about the BOOB by Perianwyr+Stormcrow · · Score: 4, Funny

    Surely the dark foes upon Janet Jackson's chest lurk in the shadows to catch us unawares. Where, pray tell, are the myrmidons of the FCC, who so bravely took on the task of defending us from this satanic spectacle of mammary menace?

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    1. Re:But what about the BOOB by nizo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sadly I missed the half-time show, but thank god for the replay action of the internet, since for some reason the evening news wouldn't show the un-edited version :-). Then again, censoring TV is pretty absurd considering all the insane things you can find on the internet. I can't wait until some dimbulb in Congress gets the idea that the FCC should try making the internet family friendly too.

  5. Hmm.. by 7Ghent · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't know whether to boo or cheer, given that both the FCC and Clear Channel are BOTH EVIL.

    1. Re:Hmm.. by The+Importance+of · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They are both evil. The FCC for censorship, Clear Channel for being a monopolist and not fighting for the First Amendment.

    2. Re:Hmm.. by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll take monopolists over theocratic moralists any day of the week.

      At least I can appeal to people's better judgement by saying that ClearChannel is anti-free market, but try talking reason to the crazy religious people who think a nipple is evil.

      Religion is simply not rational, its emotional. No offense, but thats a fact. If it was rational it could be proven and there would be no need for faith.

      We really need to get remove censorship powers from the FCC and let the network censors take care of the job. I mean, we have TV ratings now and everything. The FCC's role of "moral policeman" is antiquated and not needed, and now its just being abused for what looks like purely political purposes.

    3. Re:Hmm.. by blackmonday · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This doesn't hurt clear channel one little bit. They wanted this fine, to get anti-bush Howard Stern off the air. See, clear channel is chummy with GWB, and now they open the floodgates for fines on Viacom, Stern's main network. Clear Channel takes some pennies out, hands it to the FCC - The FCC completely doggystyles Viacom - Howard is gone, Clear Channel gets more listeners. What a nice world.

      I can't wait to get GWB outta office and be done with these Christian Right Wing lunatics. They should all be in jail.

    4. Re:Hmm.. by AME · · Score: 3, Informative
      You've got to be kidding. Plenty of hosts on Clear Channel criticize Bush regularly. Removing the Dixie Chicks from playlists was done in response to listener demand, not some partisan decision from management.

      Just because Natalie Maines says that she's being censored, it doesn't mean that she is. In her case, she said something that many didn't like and they decided not to listen to her anymore. That's not censorship.

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    5. Re:Hmm.. by glitch23 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      At least I can appeal to people's better judgement by saying that ClearChannel is anti-free market, but try talking reason to the crazy religious people who think a nipple is evil.

      No one said it was evil. It just doesn't belong in a Super Bowl halftime show when everyone knows kids will be watching it. There are other channels where that type of content belongs..... *sarcasm*like on FX or SpikeTV or something *end sarcasm*.

      Religion is simply not rational, its emotional. No offense, but thats a fact. If it was rational it could be proven and there would be no need for faith.

      You mean like how some scientific and mathematical theories are so rational but they can't be proven and that's why they are called theories but we still believe they are right until they can be proven wrong? I know some people swear by evolution but, and stop me if I'm wrong, it's still just a theory.

      You just consider any moral movement radical or fanatical when it doesn't agree with your own set of morals (if you even have any, I'd be surprised if you did or you wouldn't be making this an issue). Just because someone stands up for something they believe in which doesn't agree with you it doesn't mean they are a fanatic or a radical or irrational. They don't ever call you those things when you fight for something that you believe in. For you it's just an easy way to bash religion.

      We really need to get remove censorship powers from the FCC and let the network censors take care of the job. I mean, we have TV ratings now and everything.

      The network censors are failing at their job. The TV ratings give them a huge excuse to put anything on tv that they want so long as they warn viewers about what the content will contain. It gives them a cop out. Just like giving condoms to kids gives them an excuse to have sex. Instead of saying they shouldn't have sex we just tell them if they are going to do it make sure they are protected. That isn't how you lower teen pregnancy by condoning it but keeping them safe.

      Giving the network censors free rein over what they include in their content and then letting them rate it themselves is like giving the fox the key to the hen house. And in case you haven't noticed, there are movies nowadays that are PG-13 that have the 'f' word in them. We didn't used to have that but the criteria for the ratings system for movies has been lowered and I imagine the TV ratings will also run into the same problem so pretty soon tv shows that are rated suitable for teenagers with no partial nudity will soon include partial nudity but be given the same rating because standards are lowered(by people like you saying everything is okay). At that point the ratings are useless and the networks can still keep putting in whatever content they want so long as they rate it.

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  6. FedSpeak 101 by Giant+Ape+Skeleton · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It's interesting that the FCC distinguishes between obscenity and mere profanity.

    Kind of gives you insight into the bureaucratic mindset in general, especially as applied to subjective matters like decency....

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    1. Re:FedSpeak 101 by garcia · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As I have said before, I find it far more interesting that the FCC has anything to say about any of this anyway. Who the hell decided that because they "oversee" the frequencies that they get to decide for the rest of the country what is "right" and what is "wrong"?

      Sorry but it isn't up to government bodies to decide what's best for us. We're quite capable of doing that ourselves.

    2. Re:FedSpeak 101 by RealAlaskan · · Score: 3, Informative
      The two words have very different definitions, so it's not surprising to me that the FCC distinguishes between them. In fact (adding some words here to beat the lameness filter), I'd be surprised if they didn't.

      The FCC seems to concentrate on definitions 1 and 2 for obscene, and definition 1 for profane. I'm not sure that Janet Jackson's breast is obscene by definition 2 (``Inciting lustful feelings; lewd.''), so they must be relying on definition 1 there. Offensive I can believe.

      Definitions courtesy of Dictionary.reference.com

      obscene ( P ) Pronunciation Key (b-sn, b-) adj.

      1. Offensive to accepted standards of decency or modesty.
      2. Inciting lustful feelings; lewd.
      3. Repulsive; disgusting: "The way he writes about the disease that killed her is simply obscene" (Michael Korda).
      4. So large in amount as to be objectionable or outrageous: "local merchants in nearby stores get hammered by stratospheric rents and obscene taxes" (Joe Queenan).

      profane ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-fn, pr-) adj.

      1. Marked by contempt or irreverence for what is sacred.
      2. Nonreligious in subject matter, form, or use; secular: sacred and profane music.
      3. Not admitted into a body of secret knowledge or ritual; uninitiated.
      4. Vulgar; coarse.

    3. Re:FedSpeak 101 by Jameth · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Sorry but it isn't up to government bodies to decide what's best for us. We're quite capable of doing that ourselves."

      No, I'm fairly certain people have shown that they're just as incapable of doing that as the government is.

    4. Re:FedSpeak 101 by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Shit, I'm so fucking happy to not live in the fucking US. At least here we've got the fucking right to use fucking obscene words when we fucking feel like it. No shit.

      Can't they just leave choice-of-words to the people themselves? What's the whole thing about curse words? I've always seen them as mere exclamation marks. Oh well, I guess some people's hobby is limiting other people's freedoms.

    5. Re:FedSpeak 101 by garcia · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is INSIGHTFUL? In a country that is supposedly built on "freedoms"? We aren't allowed to control our own content?

      We are supposed to cover "indecent" *ART* because it gives some conservative a hardon? We are supposed to hide "boobs" from children who used to suckle them for food? We are supposed to shelter ourselves from hearing four-letter words because they might make us sinners?

      Come on.

    6. Re:FedSpeak 101 by jandrese · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You might want to read up on "The Tragedy of the Commons". Hint: The Radio spectrum is like a public park.

      I'm not particularly thrilled at how the FCC is also the decency police. I think they should stop at regulating how much power you're allowed to emit at various frequncies and other such related tasks. I don't even mind them testing people to insure they know how to not mess up the spectrum before they hand out licenses. Heck, I'm even mostly OK with them specifying that certain radio bands are not for commercial use. I just don't like them getting all messed up with trying to determine if something is "decent" or not. That should be decided by local authorities (perhaps even the broadcaster himself). If people have a problem they should talk to the broadcaster, not the FCC.

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    7. Re:FedSpeak 101 by monkeydo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You have a tragedy of the commons problem with content as well. The radio spectrum is a scarce public resource and one of the requirements for licensees is that they provide programing in the public interest and they abide by community standards.

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    8. Re:FedSpeak 101 by Khaed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, man. God knows you can't swear in the United States. I mean, fuck, you'd be hanged. Wait, I just said fuck.

      The FCC is dealing with public airwaves. Right or wrong, that's what they deal with. Example? HBO. Have you ever seen the Sopranos? They fucking say fuck a lot!

      One of the things Howard Stern was in hot water for was a racist remark made on air by a caller(I believe it was a caller; I doubt it was Stern himself, but it may have been a guest). In some countries, racist speech is not protected. So you can take your "yay I can swear" thing and stick it.

      The FCC doesn't control just every single area of "speech" in this country. Another example? Playboy. I've got a whole damn stack of them.

      Oh, and it isn't anyone's hobby -- the FCC people get paid. (And yes, it bugs the shit out of me that they get tax dollars.)

      So glad not to live in the "fucking US"? See what would happen to Janet Jackson if her tit-covering was removed in, oh, Iran or Saudi Arabia. Hell, her face covering. Oh wait, she doesn't wear one. Because she's in the "fucking US" where women aren't kept as property.

      Do we have a long way to go? Yes, we do. And progress has been made from a time when Buddy Holly wasn't played because he was singing "jungle music." But we're a whole, whole lot better off than a whole fucking lot of people.

    9. Re:FedSpeak 101 by Planesdragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, since breasts on TV has never been voted on in Congress, how will that help?

      It was at least once. The FCC didn't suddenly decided that it was going to regulate broadcast decency--Congress at one point or another said "yes, we want this regulated, and yes, you're going to do it."

      OTOH, it might have been the courts--the extant decency laws could have been interpreted to apply to broadcast medium, and the federal courts told the FCC to do it.

      Here's the funny part--we USED to be able to show breasts on TV, with the very same kind of nipple cover that Jackson allegedly had on. The feds (somewhere) said that we could only do that if we made it abundantly clear that there was a cover--and, thus, came the introduction of nipple tassles.

  7. Settlements by mfh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Shouldn't all the details of settlements be published by the FCC? There's not enough info here...

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  8. Suspicion is all it takes by Grrr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From Powell's statement...

    In addition, those accused of violating the Commission's rules will be suspended and if ultimately found to violate our rules, will be terminated.
    !
    ... and Ernest Miller made a great catch, there:

    "That's great. Accusations lead to suspension. And, one foul-up and you're fired. How many people could handle a situation where one accidental word that is commonly used could get you suspended and/or fired? That's something to be proud of."

    Further down, same page, he also came up with the pithy "Apparently, self-censorship forced upon us by government is better than direct censorship."

    Now, if only we could find out exactly what CC admitted to doing wrong, why, we'd all have a better chance of not committing the same horrible acts ourselves.

    <grrr>

  9. A great government / private sector partnership! by greg_barton · · Score: 2, Insightful

    See, this is what happens when you get across the board influence of one political party in government and large private sector businesses. Clear Channel is basically rolling over to give the FCC a great legal precedent for censorship advocates.

  10. Re:How long before... by WormholeFiend · · Score: 4, Insightful

    are there any children who listen to the radio anymore? (on purpose, as opposed to collaterally when having to ride in their parents' car, for example)

  11. Howard by BlindSpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I may be bias because I get my info from howard stern but I think the FCC is completely off base. If you listened to howard stern this morning, they had a very good example of a WMMS employee that committed a federal offence and the only person that had to pay in any way was the guy that directly committed the offence. WMMS's licenes should have been revoked or at least suspended by their own rules. Now with howard stern, the FCC does not even have a specific offence that he is being charged for yet Clear Channel is being fined for over a million dollars? It just doesnt make sense.

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  12. Um, because by truthsearch · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...but no one is saying what, exactly they said that was wrong...

    Um, that's cause it's indecent and therefore censored... duh! ;)

  13. Violating indecency standards by paulproteus · · Score: 4, Funny

    I agree with the FCC's ruling today that Clear Channel Communications has long ignored the standard in indecency. Hopefully the FCC ruling with give Clear Channel the strength to be indecent in the future.

    (Or did the writer of the submission mean "decency standards"?)

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  14. This kind of stuff just pisses me off by Mz6 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    As a fan of Howard Stern's show from years ago I now live in an area where I cannot hear his show anymore unless I watch it on TV. Anyways, I now live in an area where we have another great morning show team "Todd and Tyler". Since the shake down from Clear Channel and the FCC they have had to lighten most of their content up. They still have found creative ways to bring the subject across to the listener in other ways, but sometimes I just wish they could say it.

    What I don't seem to get is why this is happening. I mean.. I know that some of it is not meant for kids, but PARENTS need to learn to turn those programs off in front of their kids. No one is forcing you, or your kids, to watch it.

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    1. Re:This kind of stuff just pisses me off by thebra · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "No one is forcing you, or your kids, to watch it."

      I do agree that it is the parents (of the child, not the post) decesion to decide what the kids can listen to but on the other hand I feel that I should not have to worry about some thing profane, sexual, or such be on public radio/tv. I don't have kids yet but I would like to be able to enjoy radio/tv with out having to screen it. But then we get in to the problem of who decides what is obscene and I don't want the government deciding this for me. I guess I'll just TIVO every thing and only play cds. But if you are suprised when Howard Stern says some thing offensive/obscene then you should stay away from the internet and email (they have prOn in email!). If you listen to him you know what your getting in to.

    2. Re:This kind of stuff just pisses me off by detritus. · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What I don't seem to get is why this is happening. I mean.. I know that some of it is not meant for kids, but PARENTS need to learn to turn those programs off in front of their kids. No one is forcing you, or your kids, to watch it.

      Or for parents who are too busy with themselves, get a set with the v-chip. What gets me is, IIRC, the cable channels aren't under the same FCC guidelines, which is why HBO can run movies uncensored, and why Comedy Central got away with the infamous "shit" episode, in which the writers manage to work the uncensored word "shit" into the episode 162 times (with a counter and all). For the most part, the cable networks are censoring their content voluntarially. I, for one, would hope that the viewer populace/ad revenues definitely would make it worth their time.

  15. We've gotta get over this. by slusich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These puritanical attitudes make us the laughing stock of the entire world. I can't see us being taken seriously until we stop acting like 12 year olds every time a breast pops out on TV, or some shock jock says something naughty.

    1. Re:We've gotta get over this. by User+956 · · Score: 2, Funny

      These puritanical attitudes make us the laughing stock of the entire world.

      Hey, the same type of draconian policy worked for the Taliban in Afghanistan, right?

      ... right?

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    2. Re:We've gotta get over this. by Mike+Hawk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, because its always in the best interest of our state to do what other states want us to. Is that really the main point of your arguement? That we should form policy under the threat of being laughed at?

    3. Re:We've gotta get over this. by RealAlaskan · · Score: 2, Insightful
      These puritanical attitudes make us the laughing stock of the entire world.

      I'd say that as long as the rest of the world is laughing at us, we're doing just fine.

    4. Re:We've gotta get over this. by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In honor of your moderation, I've changed my sig. There are spiteful people on both sides of the religion debate that will mod you down no matter what your stance.

      Christianity is based on spreading the word. Some churches take this to mean spreading your morality as well. There is a difference between teaching morality and forcing morality. Some evidently haven't figured out the distinction.

    5. Re:We've gotta get over this. by alcmena · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're right, because a boob popping out will cause irreperable harm to a kid where as the good wholesome game of beating the shit out of each other is just good ol' family fun.

      Not that I have anything against football specifically, but jeezus, let's put some things in perspective. Chances are the kid saw a boob already since most people are breast fed at least once in their lives. I really don't get the big deal. Honestly, why is it ok to show a man's chest, but showing a woman's will corrupt our youth?

  16. could anybody explain... by User+956 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Could someone explain to me why Howard Stern can say something, and it's "indecent", but if Oprah uses the same language, in the same setting, in the same way, it's magically *not* indecent?

    ...yeah, that's what I thought. Somehow the current administration seems to have forgotten about "equal protection under the law". Maybe it was that big Constitution-burning party they had right after stealing office.

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    1. Re:could anybody explain... by Jameth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think Howard Stern should bring charges of sexual discrimination. First off, it'd be a funny publicity stunt. Second off, it's half true. Men are often considered less decent than women, and she is being treated significantly differently. It'd be a hilarious trial if he really pushed it.

    2. Re:could anybody explain... by nizo · · Score: 3, Funny

      You should have heard me screaming after I started to read that site you listed. I will never be able to walk by a lipstick counter again.

    3. Re:could anybody explain... by Rytr23 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I believe one of the FCC employees stated in print that they "could not fine Oprah, because she is so beloved, whereas Howard Stern is a lightning rod" or something very much to that effect. Kind of scary if you ask me...

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  17. Does the FCC understand the FCC by Da_Slayer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Honestly I think the FCC has no idea what they are doing. Censor certain things, and not others. Go after profanity but not sexual theme speech. Allow violence and sex on TV but only at certain times and only certain things allowed.

    Just trying to follow what they say and then do and not do is a headache all in itself. I believe the FCC needs a serious revision. A re-write from source if you will. Get rid of everything they have now and start over with a new rule book that is designed with current idealogy and forsight when dealing with newer techonologies.

    It will be painful for them but better for us overall the sooner this happens. Furthermore it would be nice to read a concise brief on the regulations of what you can or cannot do in a medium.

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  18. Kissing butt in Texas by RobertB-DC · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here in Dallas, we've lost our last Hard Rock station, Clear Channel's 97.1 The Eagle. They turned it into Sunny 97.1, playing a fully automated mix of 70s and 80s. My 13-year-old daughter and all her friends were devastated, but I told her it's really pretty simple.

    It's George W's fault.

    Clear Channel vice-head-honcho Tom Hicks made Dubya a rich man indeed when he bought the Texas Rangers from Bush's ownership group. That freed up Bush to run for Governor, and the rest, as they say, is history (though he was a decent governor, as they go). Short story: Hicks and Bush are buds.

    Now, you have Janet Jackson's Right Breast suddenly stirring up the bible-thumpers (the ones that give us Christians a bad image). Fired up, they went after an easy target -- the shock jocks that Clear Channel and others put on the air to cover up the fact that their corporate music sucks.

    Bush calls Hicks with a proposal: act like they're sorry, pay a little fine, shut down some jocks and stations, so that the bible thumpers will feel like they've won. Bush gets his base energized, and Hicks gets buddy Bush re-elected.

    And for the icing on the cake, Clear Channel turns off the last rock station in conservative Dallas.

    They'd been letting it rot in the ratings for years (details here), so they had an excuse. So maybe my tinfoil hat is on too tight. But if they'd supported the music, KEGL would have *had* ratings... and top 15 in the Dallas market still isn't anything to sneeze at.

    Bottom line: Republican politics killed Rock in Dallas. The Eagle joins Q102 and The Zoo in radio oblivion.

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    1. Re:Kissing butt in Texas by deanj · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nice conspiracy theory, but the big flaw in all this is that the person in the FCC pushing all the indency stuff is Michael Copp, a democrat. He was part of the Ersnt Hollings' staff before going to the FCC.

      This all reminds me of Tipper Gore back in the 1980s.

    2. Re:Kissing butt in Texas by Mz6 · · Score: 4, Informative
      You can blame Bush all you want.. but Kerry feels the same way about it. Pulled from Drudgereport.com (Jun 4)

      "In an interview set for broadcast Sunday on C-SPAN, presidential hopeful John Kerry says he supports the current FCC crackdown on television indecency, but comes out against the greater scrutiny of pay cable channels like HBO and Showtime.

      "I think there is a distinction between public broadcast and the notions we've had historically about family time, family hour -- and what you buy privately and personally."

      "I am not in favor of government interference and censorship and restriction of what an individual privately can decide to do in their home, in their own space, so to speak," Kerry said, but he did seem to be OK with indecency regulation "where you have children involved, where you have a broader cross-section of the public, where there is sort of a sense of family time or hour."

      On media concentration:

      "I wasn't there for the vote, but I was 100% in favor of overturning this rule.

      "I think that too much media in the hands of one powerful entity or one individual is a mistake. I think it runs counter to the foundation of our country. I think it runs counter to the need for Americans to know what they are getting news and information from multiple sources that are not singularly controlled."

      On the Janet Jackson Super Bowl 'nipple' incident:

      "I thought that was in poor taste and wrong -- wrong venue, wrong timing, wrong place, wrong audience. So, there are some standards and pretty generally people should know what they are."

      Think what you will.

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  19. More insulting by sielwolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    was the Clear Channel CEO saying that all content, including pay cable and satelite radio, should be held to the same standard as public broadcast. His rationale: for the kids.

    *pfff* Sorry but there's a reason why there is "public" standards on "public" channels. This wasn't about any sort of moral or ethical standard. This guy was just pissy because all adults were voting with their $$$ and going off to adult-level content on HBO or XM radio that he, as bound by public broadcast, could never provide.

    So his whole thing is to level the playing field by screwing everybody else. What a nimrod.

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  20. Uncensored, uncut... by cuzality · · Score: 5, Funny

    For those needing a reminder of this event, here is an ASCII pic: (*)(/) You'll always get the straight skinny on /.

    1. Re:Uncensored, uncut... by Obsequious · · Score: 5, Funny
      I dunno, man; that looks a bit too perky. What I saw looked more like this:
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  21. Obligatory... by Ikn · · Score: 2, Funny

    Step 1 - Create horridly strict yet notoriously undefined industry-wide regulations Step 2 - Sue like it's gonna bring in millions (oh, and it will) Step 3 - Gold-plated Ferrari

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  22. Howard Stern by ogewo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From howardstern.com:

    "Howard attacked Clear Channel for paying the $1.7 million fine to the government over his show and other's. Howard wants to know why they are paying the government but not paying him and honoring his contract. He says that Clear Channel didn't even fight the fines, they just kowtow to the Bush Administration to stay on their good side. And last year, Clear Channel was defending that same show to the FCC. Only after Howard started bashing Bush did Clear Channel suspend him for those shows, before any fines even came down. It's really scary how a major company like Clear Channel just seemingly does whatever the government asks. And how come the FCC hasn't fined Oprah yet over the same things Howard got fined for? Howard said that Clear Channel is full of sickening cowards."

    Four paragraphs from the bottom

  23. Cyclist? Too bad... by cornice · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Too bad the FCC can't do anything about Clearchannel DJs inciting violence against cyclists.

  24. Slashdot and black kettles. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Considering how little steel Slashdot showed with the Scientology debacle, they have no right criticizing other regarding censorship.

  25. Re:The FCC? by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find it funny that of all companies, Clear Channel is fighting the FCC. This is the company that sent the memo telling its stations not to play anti-war songs after Sept. 11th, organized the pro-war rallies in the runup to the Iraq war, and whose owner, Tom Hicks, was involved in several of Bush's major scandals from his early life and is a big contributor.

    Specifically, Hicks first heavily funded both of Bush's gubernatorial campaigns. Then, Bush appointed Hicks chair of UTIMCO, which manages UT's financial money. Bush also got regulations so that Hicks wouldn't have to disclose where he was putting the University's money. It was later revealed that he had put 525 million dollars into assets owned by himself and major GOP donors (Carlyle Group, Maverick Capital, Bass Brothers Enterprises, etc). In 1998, he made Bush a multimillionaire by buying the Texas Rangers for far more than it was estimated to be valued at (and which Bush had been given twice as many shares as he put money in). Hicks resigned under pressure in 1999, but has been a huge donor still.

    I'm not surprised that they got a nice settlement from the FCC. Not surprised at all. I'm not even sure why the FCC bothered to start anything to begin with. 1.75 million dollars for a company the size of Clear Channel? Why didn't they just make them say "My Bad!" in public and call that enough?

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  26. The FCC Should be Aboloished by DarkHazard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even though I do not agree with FCC censorship it would be better if they were not a corrupt organization. Any attempts at 'censorship' and policing the airwaves are easily swayed with money. If ClearChannel really had commited the supposed crime of violating indecency rules then the FCC should've continued with charges rather than allowed themselves to be bought off.
    One of these days the FCC will have to go once they've become so corrupted they'll first ask for a settlement before trying to fine them.

  27. Guess what happened to Oprah!!!? by Nuge · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Absolutely NOTHING!!! "The Oprah Winfrey Show Transcript Thursday, March 18, 2004 Clip One Oprah: Lets talk about that secret language Michelle. Michelle: Yes Oprah: I didn't know any of this Michelle: I have yea, I have gotten a whole new vocabulary let me tell ya Oprah: I did not know any of this Michelle: Salad tossing, cucumbers, lettuce tomatoes ok Oprah: ok so so what is a salad toss? Michelle: ok a tossed salad is, get ready hold on to your underwear for this one, oral anal sex, So oral sex with the anus is what that would be. Clip Two Michelle: a rainbow party is an oral sex party it's a gathering where oral sex is performed and rainbow comes from all of the girls put on lipstick and each one puts her mouth around the penis of the gentleman or gentlemen who are there to receive favors and makes a mark um in a different place on the penis hence the term rainbow"

  28. Government censorship by Kutsal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We're in the 21st century, right? Why do we still need censorship by the government? Can we not trust the people who make these shows to show some self-restraint?

    So what if Fox shows people screwing eachother on live TV over the public waves?.. It'll be for a short time before people get bored of seeing it and start looking for better shows... Eventually, when their ratings drop, the producers will realize that overdoing something will have adverse effects..

    Banning/censoring something never worked before.. Why should it work now?

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  29. Big Trouble by awhelan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Either way, my next door neighbors are in big touble. I use their wi-fi to get all my pr0n, so technically they've publicly broadcasted things far worse than the Howard Stern show.

  30. Re:A great government / private sector partnership by Valar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Or it could be that 1.75 million is a drop in the bucket for CC (it is), and so they decided that not pissing off the FCC was worth it. After all, they pay up this time and the issue basically goes away (the FCC probably won't go after them for a long, long time). If they fight it, chances are the FCC is going to enforce the rule every chance they get (to collect more legal precedent for censorship, to flex the beaurocratic muscle, because idle lawyers are a dangerous thing...).

  31. Selective enforcement destroys the rule of law. by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A bazillion pecune laws and selective enforcement are critical tools for a corrupt bueracracy. That's how China was ruled for centuries.

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  32. Re:A great government / private sector partnership by gfxguy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Exactly! If only Michael J. Copps, the FCC chairman who is fighting so hard against this "indecency", were replaced by a republican who supports first amendment rights.

    I guess Copps got his training when he worked for "Fritz" Hollings (D-Disney).

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  33. Luke Skywalkker represent! by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Funny

    We went through the same shit the last time the conservatives had control of the government! But that didn't stop Two Live Crew from going on to be the enduring supergroup that they are today!

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  34. You, sir, are wrong. by gfxguy · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can't let facts get in the way of a liberal G.W. haters rant!

    The fact of the matter is it's all about control, and both parties want control. Democrats, and people with a liberal, socialistic agenda want the government to have more control. I'm not saying conservatives are free from guilt, but I have a big problem trying to pin this on the current administration and Bush in particular.

    Surely they can find something about the current administration with more substance to whine about.

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  35. What a disgrace! by jbrasch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One of the largest media companies in the US will not stand up for freedom of speech! What good is a media company that does not protect that freedom. Instead they bend over and hand over cash to secure their empire.

    It sure seems like there is a lot of similarities between the fcc indecency crusade (at least someone interpretation) and DRM crusade.

    People we need to vote in november and with our dollars.

  36. We, the corporation... by ChozCunningham · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Clear Channel's PR regarding this.(.pdf) The best part:

    "In out view, industry-developed guidlines should be as effective as Government-imposed regulations without running afoul of the First Amendment protections that we all respect," John Hogan CEO, Clear Channel Radio.

    Well, isn't it nice that the monopoly and ourt government have found a viable soulution to that pasky First Amendment? I was so worried that our Constitution might interfere with censorship. God bless these clever, clever boys.

  37. Infinity and Viacom not fined, they carry Stern by cjmnews · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not that I like Clear Channel any more than any other broadcaster, but I find it interesting that the other major broadcasters that also carry the Stern show were not fined.

    Is Clear Channel being targeted?

    Do Inifinity and Viacom have some hold over the FCC?

    What's the story behind this?

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    1. Re:Infinity and Viacom not fined, they carry Stern by AveryT · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ummm, no.

      Stern broadcasts from WXRK, which is part of Infinity Broadcasting (Viacom). Stern was broadcast on only six ClearChannel stations before being dropped.

      FCC cases are probably still pending against Infinity, who may not lie down as fast as ClearChannel since Stern represents a big chunk of their bottom line.

  38. MOD UP MZ6!! by mrbrown1602 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Someone with mod points needs to give them to MZ6's post. People need to stop blaming this mess on "Dubya", because its the Democrats' fault as much as the Republicans'... I'd like to remind people that the Decency Enforcement Act was passed by the House of Representatives by a margin of 391 to 22. So stop blaming Dubya for all of your problems, gripes, and issues, and start blaming those responsible - soccer moms from the hippie generation that can't take responsibility and expect the government to do it for them.

  39. Re:Anyone? Anyone? (I'm chirping) by riptide_dot · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm not a huge Howard Stern fan, but in the name of free speech I'll defend him 'till the day I die. Take away my free speech and you take away my primary reason for living in a free country. I don't necessarily agree with Howard or even like what he says. I definately think there's better things that small children can be doing with their time. But what children listen to should be decided by their parents, not the government.

    What I DO think is that censoring him and/or anyone should not be tolerated by a free public (or anyone for that matter). It's not the Howard Sterns we really care about, it's the idea that protecting free speech (not just popular speech) should be one of the foundations of our American society.

    If the FCC needs a way to keep children from hearing adult content, there are better ways to accomplish that goal than censorship. Like the Vchip, for example. But this is slashdot - couldn't we be discussing other technical ways to prevent children from hearing adult content without having to censor that adult content? Hard problems call for ingenious solutions, and I can't think of a better forum for those types of ideas to be discussed.

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  40. While i still can... by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey FCC... While i still can, this ones for you.

    Suck my mother fucking dick you faggot ass raping baby fucking nazi hypocrit little bush muff diving anti American frequency regulating asshole poking cunt strangling upper class criminals who shit on the consitution.

    And here is a special one for you Powell... May you inherit your fathers ass cancer.

    In all seriousness.. i'm just trying to make a point and that point is... maybe censorship is a good thing?

    If you think so... Fuck off. ;)

  41. What Dixie Chicks ban ?? by green+pizza · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You've got to be kidding. Plenty of hosts on Clear Channel criticize Bush regularly. Removing the Dixie Chicks from playlists was done in response to listener demand, not some partisan decision from management.

    You know, I keep hearing about this Dixie Chicks ban too, but from the two Clear Channel country stations (in two different cities) I've listened to, both have been playing the Dixie Chicks quite a bit over the past 18 months. And, from what I understand, Clear Channel HQ has access to all playlists and logs, so it's not like they don't know about it...

  42. Re:Doesn't free speech apply here? by Hank+Reardon · · Score: 2, Interesting
    So, it appears that the FCC "owns" the airwaves and leases them on the condition that they are not used in certain ways.

    I suppose you could look at it in that way, but it's kind of off. We, the People, "own" the airwaves. What is broadcast over those airwaves is regulated by a set of rules, which the FCC governs. For example, the 10-meter and 11-meter radio bands are governed by a set of laws that are completely different. The 10-meter band requires a license (HAM radio), while the 11-meter band (CB, or citizen's band) is open for public use. The power limits and such on the 10-meter band are different from those of the 11-meter band.

    When you talk about "public" broadcasting (i.e. ABC, NBC, CBS, etc.), their purpose is chartered differently than the HAM radio bands. In order to broadcast television via the airwaves, you have to have specific things in your charter, one of them being that you will serve the public's interest. The FCC is the group that enforces the rules and charters.

    Still strange with basic cable though. I didnt think that was broadcast through the airwaves. Unless the FCC owns cable bandwith as well?

    I have to wonder what your definition of "basic cable" is. If it is the major networks, then they are governed just like their "broadcast" equivelants. For example, CBS in my area is exactly the same if I use a VHF reciever or a cable box. If, however, you're talking about MTV, the situation is different. It's not possible to recieve MTV without some specialized equipment (cable box or dish), where it is possible to recieve the standard "broadcast" television without the equipment.

    As a general rule, figure that anything that you pay for, and that you couldn't get without some sort of cable or sattellite coverter, is governed by the FCC more strictly. Cable is still regulated, but in a different matter. The standards, being a subscription service, are far more lenient as to what's allowable.

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