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Big Bang of Convergence

joNDoty writes "Businessweek is running a story predicting 'This is going to be the most disruptive period in the past 50 years." The period they are talking about is the digital age of convergence, where every software/hardware manufacturer is racing to link cell phones, tvs and computers into universal devices 'that can't be categorized as tech or consumer electronics.' 'The result is a Big Bang of convergence, and it's likely to produce the biggest explosion of innovation since the dawn of the Internet.' Overrated? Perhaps, but +1 insightful nonetheless." Sure, your fridge will tell you you need milk, but convergence is not necessarily a good thing.

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  1. Look at Your Remote Controls by yoey · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't know about this "convergence" thing. I have 5 remote controls for 5 different products, and I'll be damned if I can find a way to successfully use just for all!

    1. Re:Look at Your Remote Controls by tha_mink · · Score: 5, Funny

      Convergence though, kinda sweet. You can turn on your heated driveway from the comfort of your toilet remote control. That, my friend, is progress.

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    2. Re:Look at Your Remote Controls by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are a lot of products intended to deal with your abundance of remotes. Of course, many of them are more difficult to use than it's worth, and some of them cost hundreds of dollars.

      Which leads me to my main point - convergence of devices that I use on a regular basis will be a bad idea.

      I want a small phone (I keep it with me everywhere). I want a big computer screen and a keyboard that's big enough to type fast on. I want a PDA that can integrate with my other computers, but allows me to use the stylus. I want a digital camera that I can take decent photos with for prints or posting on the web.

      Am I asking too much? Look at all the products out there designed to address exactly what I listed above, and not only are they way more expensive than I would ever pay.... but they fail to do any of the things I described, at least to the extent that I want them there.

      Simplicity = usability

    3. Re:Look at Your Remote Controls by bay43270 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know about this "convergence" thing. I have 5 remote controls for 5 different products, and I'll be damned if I can find a way to successfully use just for all!

      That's a good example of how the hype over convergence is jumping the gun. We can't even solve the remote control problem. Everyone has a solution, but each solution brings with it more problems.

      Over the next few years, companies will brag about convergence for stockholder support. But under the covers they will just be cramming two unrelated products into the same plastic shell, or allowing two very specific devices to talk to each other about very specific things. It really isn't any different than the over-hyped race to release the PDA, digital audio, the tablet PC, or any other new technology. We have years (if not decades) of hype to wade through before this one pans out.

    4. Re:Look at Your Remote Controls by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thats pretty much the point--It sucks that we have to have 100 different devices whose functionality overlaps. Think we'd all like to see that number pared down.

      What they don't mention is that some kind of serious standards are going to have to be put in place for this convergence to get off the ground. I'm tired of seeing multiple Cell Towers next to each other because the damn companies can't agree on a standard.

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  2. I agree. by LilGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    When your toaster tells you that you've got 2 potential e-harmony dates, and your fridge won't shut up about your lousy tv dinner diet, it will be time to move to the mountains.

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    1. Re:I agree. by captainClassLoader · · Score: 5, Funny

      "...Julie? Hey, I'm real sorry about last night. My toaster went up in flames with an overdone Pop-Tart(tm), and so I never got your email..."

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    2. Re:I agree. by malok2 · · Score: 3, Funny
  3. Linking by isd_glory · · Score: 4, Funny

    Linking link cell phones, tvs and computers would be nice... if they could link it with a frickin' flying car already

  4. Please don't converge my fridge by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 4, Funny

    I fear the 3l33t snax0rz.

  5. Inevitable outcome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Same as any other boom. Huge leaps, then the typical stagnation. We are definitely at the outset of the bread and circuses phase for the wired empire. The shine will wear off the need for the newest of the new when the technology plateaus, and all you have are packaging updates. I can see this coming to a close in far fewer than 50 years. It's a shame that the boom wasn't in connecting people who have no connectivity to anything.

  6. My thoughts. by Cow007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think often devices that try to do many things succed in doing many things less well than specialized devices. Not only are we going to see a lot of innovation but we are going to see a lot of failed products in the years to come.

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    1. Re:My thoughts. by Moofie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course, you're typing your missive on the ultimate counterpoint to your argument.

      Hard to imagine a more general purpose tool than a PC.

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    2. Re:My thoughts. by gunnk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's true, but I'll often trade "the best" for "gets the job done" if it means I can carry around fewer gadgets. I used to have a watch. I don't bother -- the time is on my cellphone. Okay, I have to pull it out of my pocket, so it doesn't tell time as well as a watch in that regard. Then again, my cell phone time is always correct since it gets the time from my carrier.

      Likewise, I used to carry a PDA. Kept me organized. Phone numbers? Now those are in my cell phone. Schedule? In my phone. Alarm clock while traveling? Yep, phone.

      It isn't as convenient a timepiece as a watch, doesn't store addresses as well as my PDA, has much more limited calendar functions, and isn't as good as a bedside alarm, but I only have to carry ONE item to replace all those others... so I do.

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    3. Re:My thoughts. by iabervon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think that the thing that makes convergance possible when it actually happens will be fact that half of your devices "process digitial information and use a peripheral" and the other half "transfer digital information".

      It won't be long before the only difference between an answering machine and a PVR is what the connectors are (optionally send recorded data, record data, replay data). It also won't be long before the connectors are the same, too (802.11 or ethernet, TCP/IP).

      The products which succeed will probably be things that do one thing well and make that functionality available to other devices. I bet a programmable headset with 802.11 and ethernet that does VoIP and streaming audio would do well before long. The same chipset in some nice speakers would also do well.

    4. Re:My thoughts. by Carnildo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've never seen my PC make toast or drive a nail, although it can keep toast warm after its made.

      I don't know about using a PC to keep toast warm, but I routinely use my PC's monitor to soften butter for use in baking. It's slower and far more controllable than the microwave.

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    5. Re:My thoughts. by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why don't we have a network of devices, all independent, that can share data and control? Kind of like, oh I dunno, an Internet?

      So you don't want to fix the problem. Nobody's going to take away your rheostats and coil springs...what are you worried about?

      Me, I think it would be convenient to have a database of the contents of my fridge and pantry that I can match against my recipe database, and build my grocery list according to what's missing.

      That might not be convenient to you. I encourage you to not buy one.

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  7. There's always the next big thing by Nyder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They been saying this, what, 3 years now? Sure it is.

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    1. Re:There's always the next big thing by FirstTimeCaller · · Score: 2, Informative

      They been saying this, what, 3 years now?

      Three years? Really? Well what do you know? You're right!

      Now if you want a better example of digital convergence gone bad than the N-GAGE, check here.

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  8. bah by sulli · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Slow news week for BusinessWeek? "Convergence" has been the "most disruptive EVAR" wave of the future for decades now. It's not like anything has fundamentally changed and everyone wants one device to do everything now that they didn't want before. Who really needs a microwave that surfs the internet, or a television with Caller ID?!

    Maybe it's like the metric system, and soccer in America*. It's the wave of the future, and always will be.

    * maybe not. US Soccer is #8 in the world now, ahead of Germany!

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    1. Re:bah by Derkec · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sorry, but as of Jun 4th, we're 9th in the world. A single point behind Germany. That's one of the things that pisses the world off about us. Even when we don't care about something (like soccer) we're still pretty damn good at it.

    2. Re:bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      Even when we don't care about something (like soccer) we're still pretty damn good at it.


      You call ninth place "pretty damn good"? And how does it feel being fifth in your own country's car racing championship? Or do you consider the leading country, Canada, part of the USA?

    3. Re:bah by dustmite · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even when we don't care about something (like soccer) we're still pretty damn good at it.

      That has a lot to do with firstly sheer size (300,000,000 people, about the third most populous country in the world, with more than three times the population of e.g. Germany) and secondly, plenty of resources (e.g. widespread access to equipment and facilities - virtually anyone interested in a sport will with a little effort be able to find somewhere to play, equipment to play with, people to practice against, and often even sponsors to pay for the time). Also due to the US's general high average wealth and low unemployment (yes the US has very low unemployment compared to most countries), many people often do not need to be economically active to have their basic needs taken care of, e.g. often a spouse can take care of that while they stay home - so you have more free time on your hands, on average, which gives you time to pursue endeavours like sport. In fact, just by resources and size of population, you should really be number 1 at soccer too (but I guess if you don't count the obese people, who won't be good at sport, you're probably back at around the same population as Germany!). BTW I'm not aware that anyone elsewhere in the world is "pissed off" that the US is good at things like soccer.

  9. So Sorry- I've only got one. by mekkab · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sorry- I've only got one- SONY's RM-VL900 learns with the best of 'em.

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    1. Re:So Sorry- I've only got one. by tmhsiao · · Score: 2, Informative

      I love my VL900s (I have one for the bedroom and one for the living room). All of the LCD-screen monstrosities don't have the comfortable form factor that the VL900 does, and it's capacity to learn other remotes and macros are invaluable.

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    2. Re:So Sorry- I've only got one. by swordboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry- I've only got one- SONY's RM-VL900 learns with the best of 'em.

      This is not the whole story.

      I, too, have this remote control and, while it does an adequate job of controlling everything, it does not provide for a "wife proof" interface. To be fair, I should replace "wife proof" with "non-techie proof" or something like that - but I won't.

      For example, if I want to watch a DVD, then I have to press:

      - TV, power (TV powers on)
      - DVD, power (DVD powers on)
      - AMP, 8 (which flips the receiver to the DVD input)

      But WAIT! The instructions are different if the TV is already on. The complexity is MIND boggling. I will give ALL OF MY MONEY to someone who can fix the problem. And before everyone suggests CURRENT PRODUCTS, don't - because I've tried them all.

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    3. Re:So Sorry- I've only got one. by mekkab · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sorry to burst your bubble, but my non-techie wife (a LAWYER, for crying out loud!) has come to grips with the VL-900. Infact, she can even "reverse engineer" her way out if in the wrong "mode."

      Yes this took years to accomplish.

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    4. Re:So Sorry- I've only got one. by tmhsiao · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to the manual, you can set the DVD button to run that entire sequence of codes if you press and hold the DVD button for a few seconds, or as indicated, just the DVD -> AMP steps.

      If you read manuals, that is.

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    5. Re:So Sorry- I've only got one. by BaltoAaron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How I solved the component switching problem:
      (I use my AV receiver to do all my audio and video switching. It sounds like you do the same.)
      Set up the little #1 button on the top as my 'power all components on' button. Then I learn my AV receiver's 'switch to DVD' buttons to the VL900's 'display' button on the DVD component. (repeat this step for each component, Cable, VCR, CD, etc.) When the wife wants to watch the DVD, just hit the big DVD button on the top and then click 'display' to make it 'come on the TV'. Want to switch back to the Cable, click the 'TV/Sat' button then click the 'display' button again and your back on cable.

      It's not perfect and it requires all the components to be on, but it works for me.

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    6. Re:So Sorry- I've only got one. by Darth+Maul · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have to jump in here. I have a VL900 and love it. It is the perfect remote. Learning, with custom labels, but the buttons are actual buttons and not a touch screen. I had a RCA touchscreen remote, but I couldn't stand the lack of tactile feedback when hitting buttons.

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    7. Re:So Sorry- I've only got one. by CreatureComfort · · Score: 4, Funny


      Easy solution...

      Get a better, upgraded wife.

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      Impossible means not yet done." ~~ Julia Ecklar
    8. Re:So Sorry- I've only got one. by Black+Perl · · Score: 5, Informative

      And before everyone suggests CURRENT PRODUCTS, don't - because I've tried them all.

      Have you really tried the computer-programmable ones? The philips pronto series (all of 'em) support downloaded IR codes. There are libraries of discrete codes (ie. non toggle, ON means ON) for just about every manufacturer you can think of.

      Personally, I use the Pronto Neo. I like it for many reasons. A fully programmable touchscreen--I created custom graphics for it. I like that it has a decent amount of hard buttons too. Every button (both hard and virtual) can send IR codes, navigate/change "screens", start timers, and remote-specific things (turn on/off the backlight), or have a macro that does many or all of the above. I downloaded discrete codes for all my stuff. The System Off button turns everything off, period.

      My wife loves it. She is greeted by simple icons. If she wants to watch TV, she touches the TV picture and then the TV, cable box, and receiver turn on, and she sees the network logos for her favorite channels. There are tabs for other channel logos (including a Kids tab that my kids use), and a tab that leads to a number pad for direct channel input.

      If she wants to watch a DVD, it's similar. Push the DVD logo, push the "play" button. Which, by the way, slowly dims the lights down to 10% thanks to this and IR codes that I downloaded for it. The pause button ramps the lights up to 50% (for bathroom breaks).

      Another little trick, I use the above IR-to-X10 gateway to turn on my PS/2 when someone touches the Game icon, thanks to an appliance module. Otherwise, it would be a pain becuase the PS/2 has a hard power switch on the back, and I have it mounted in a built-in cabinet with no room to reach behind it.

      I also have a Music tab, which has buttons labeled "Jazz", "Ambient", etc. so you can turn on music without having to know what digital cable channel they're on. And, I don't even have to open the cabinets to turn all this stuff on or off, thanks to an IR repeater I have tucked in the surrounding bookshelves.

      The complexity is MIND boggling. I will give ALL OF MY MONEY to someone who can fix the problem.

      My 6-year old can fully operate my setup. If there's something specific you'd want to do with your setup, let me know and I'll tell you how to do it with the Pronto Neo (or the more expensive Prontos). No need to give me all your money.

      I can provide screen shots of my setup if you want.

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    9. Re:So Sorry- I've only got one. by Pieroxy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      According to the manual, you can set the DVD button to run that entire sequence
      His problem is that the sequence changes if you were listening to music because your amp was already on, for example.

      Maybe now you started realizing that you didn't answer the problem. If you re-read the post you replied to, that is.

    10. Re:So Sorry- I've only got one. by Pieroxy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Problem is a wife has only three slots for three features:

      1. beauty
      2. intelligence
      3. Geekiness
      4. Cooking
      5. Cleaning
      6. Likes sex

      Pick yours, but if you want one with Geekiness built in, you'll have to compromise with a lack of other features.

    11. Re:So Sorry- I've only got one. by Pieroxy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You do realize that within a typical household, there are 5 appliances: TV, VCR, DVD, Cable, Amp. There could even be a CD player/charger, but let's limit ourselves to 5.

      You do realize that there are 32 combinations for these appliances to be on or off. Granted not all of them make sense, let's say just 5. Now you are saying that your solution is to program the transition from every combination to every other combination. That is 25 pre-programmed buttons to just start up or shut down everything.

      It'll take longer to figure out which one you want to use than to do it manually.

      The real problem is that the command to shut down is the same as the command to power up. If they were separate, there would be no problem at all. Or less.

    12. Re:So Sorry- I've only got one. by rho · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...and which utterly fails the test of "usability", under any sense of the word. Your idea of a piece of paper is particularly funny. He can simply do that now, with the individual remotes. Unless your argument is that your plan involves a shorter crib-sheet.

      The problem is that there is no way for a remote to determine the state of the device it controls, and there is no way for another device to determine the state of another device. That is the problem. Every remote in the world tries to solve the problem, and none of them have, because the fundamental problem lies with the device, not the remote. It is simply not a solvable problem with the current tech.

      (It is slightly less intractable if you purchase an "all-in-one" setup from Sony or the like. My statement only applies to disparate components from multiple manufacturers. Neither are you to mention the remote with the LCD that tries to remember your settings. When somebody comes through and turns things on and off without the remote and screws up everything, that remote then goes into 20-Questions. I do not find that amusing in my devices of convenience.)

      Indeed, I solved the problem of how-to-do-this-or-that with the entertainment center by showing people how to do what they want to do AT the entertainment center. The remotes only serve as Volume +/- and Channel +/- buttons. And, since we don't have cable, we hardly ever use the Channel buttons anyway. Our lives are significantly simpler, since all we do is watch the occasional movie from Netflix, but even so, it's only a matter of pushing a few well-labled buttons on the reciever to set things the way you want, then you sit down to watch. I find that to be easier to explain than non-, poorly-, or misleadingly-labled, miniscule buttons with no tactile feedback on modern remotes.

      BTW, spending >$30 on a remote should be grounds for automatic promotion into the 95% "Too much money, not enough sense" tax bracket, and automatic nutsack-ectomy. (Yes, everybody who buys a schmancy remote is a guy--guaranteed.)

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  10. all for convergence by enrico_suave · · Score: 4, Insightful

    just have to roll up my sleeves and do it myself, because otherwise my "converged" media will be a DRM'd crippled mess.

    e.

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    1. Re:all for convergence by lenski · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Convergence is OK, it's cool and all. But so far as I've been able to tell, convergence has resulted mostly in limits on the availability of drivers for my preferred operating environment. Between the RIAA-controlled audio monopoly, the MPAA-controlled moving visual arts monopoly and Microsoft's desire to control computing has resulted only in proposed (or real) restrictions on how I get to setup and use my workstation.

      Now a computer is a "media theft acceleration device", primarily useful (as far as the big boys are concerned) to "steal" "their" "product". I do not want what they have, so I am not stealing it. Their claim to it hangs on a slim thread of a business process so it's not really "theirs", and most of it isn't much of a product.

  11. Digital Convergence? by norculf · · Score: 5, Funny

    I still have my ::CueCat.

  12. Viriiii by Kelt · · Score: 3, Funny

    I want to see the first person selling Anti-Virus for a refridgerator or reciever.

    I should go into business selling whole-home anti-virus licenses. Good for 10 communicating devices per license. Renewable monthly.

    -Kelt

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    1. Re:Viriiii by Ctrl-Z · · Score: 2, Funny

      I want to see the first person selling Anti-Virus for a refridgerator or reciever.

      I would be happy with antibacteria for the fridge. I'd never have to worry about those "mystery" packages ever again.

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  13. FOOLS! by Griim · · Score: 5, Funny

    Doesn't anyone remember what happened last time when the Cylons attacked, and all of our computer systems were linked together?

  14. Call me old fashioned if you want, but... by the_rajah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If I want a phone, I just want a phone that is reliable and easy to use. Not loaded with so many gadgets that I have trouble using it for the intended main function.

    We just put a replacement radio in my wife's car, a '93, and instead of knobs and a few large buttons there are these tiny little buttons that I can't read the labels for without a magnifying glass. WTF is that? Certainly, it's far from user friendly. So instead of just reaching over to change the station, or even to turn the danged thing off, by simply turning a reasonable size knob, I have to keep punching tiny buttons until it does what I want. Yeah, I eventually am learning which is which, but that's not my point. And you think talking on a cell phone is distracting... HA!

    IMHO too much convergence is likely to be too much of a possible good thing.

    Make a product that does its intended main function and does it well.
    If I want the best knife or the best scissors, I don't get a Swiss Army knife.

    "Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Mark Twain

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    1. Re:Call me old fashioned if you want, but... by Moofie · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Make a product that does its intended main function and does it well.
      If I want the best knife or the best scissors, I don't get a Swiss Army knife.
      When I want a good enough knife or a good enough pair of scissors or a decent screwdriver or a not bad pair of pliers and I'm far from my toolbox, I pull out my Leatherman Wave.

      There are well designed multi-function devices and poorly designed multi-function devices. That doesn't mean the entire concept is silly. (Or smart.)
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    2. Re:Call me old fashioned if you want, but... by foniksonik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sounds like the radio thing is your own fault for buying a device which doesn't meet you're ergonomic needs. It's not like the stereo is an essential part of the car that you need to rush out and replace with the first thing you see. Shop around and find one that is in your budget and has the interface you're looking for... they all have the same features now, go for style and functionality.

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  15. Universal Cell phone/TV/Computer? by SpaceCadetTrav · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sometimes you people need to unplug.

  16. i believe it by surreal-maitland · · Score: 2, Insightful
    everybody these days wants a cell phone - fax machine - dot matrix printer that will make them a frappachino (sp?). sure, there are people who recognize that having a single point of failure sucks. (oh, no, your battery died. no more frappachino or cell phone or dot matrix printing until you can plug the sucker back in.) but there are a lot more who don't want to carry the fax, the cell phone, and the frappachino-maker.

    this won't go corporate, because enough people at major companies will realize the whole single point of failure thing, and that they'll lose a lot of money waiting for workers' supermegagadget to come back from the shop, but i definitely think there's a market for small devices that do everything.

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  17. Bang! 20 dollars, please. by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I imagine that this "big bang" will conclude with the controlling company(ies) charging money for practically every type of content, since they'll have a service and device for everything.

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  18. Synapse? by SphericalCrusher · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's already been created! Just go download the source code from skullbocks.com!

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  19. No, thanks by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 4, Funny
    I don't need my refridgerator telling me that I need milk -- I can see for myself when I use the milk. And the last thing I need is my refridgerator telling Safeway.com that I need milk and scheduling a delivery when I'm on vacation.

    My VCR watches TV for me when I'm not there, my oven can cook dinner for me when I'm not there, and my checking account can pay bills automatically if I'm not there. With all this convergence, will my possessions need me anymore?

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  20. Too 'low-tech' by rixstep · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sure, your fridge will tell you you need milk

    This is way too low-tech.

    What your fridge should tell you is:

    'Hey dude, I know you're thinking of buying milk today, but I just read an article online about a bad shipment of milk to stores in this area, so I'd hold off a day or two until there's more details. I'll tell you when it's safe again, OK?

    'Oh - and of course I tested the milk you still have inside me, and that's OK to drink. Just don't buy any more until I say so.'

    THAT is hi-tech. That is convergence.

    1. Re:Too 'low-tech' by rewt66 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Right. The real problem is thinking up things for these "converging" devices to do that customers actually care about in the real world.

      And that's hard. It's a lot harder than creating a new buzzword. It's even harder than building a product that connects to other products.

  21. Re:Slackjawed Marketers... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Funny

    your refrigerator/render-farm.

    Maybe now we can keep those AMD chips cool.

  22. Sorry, but I say overrated. by ThousandStars · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I've been reading about "convergence" for as long as I've been cognizant of computers, and I don't buy it. Promises of mythical devices to link all aspects of digital life end up empty. Aside from the technological problems of making these devices work together, I think there is a bigger problem in that specialized devices for specific applications generally work better than a generalized device.

    For example, I prefer using a desktop for real work like long sessions of typing or video editing. The larger screen real estate, better price and more power mean that I'm better off with a desktop; and I think most people feel that way. Likewise, I don't want to use that monitor as a TV because it's too small; the hard drive in that computer is too small to store uncompressed DVDs, which are better left on desk to be played in the large-screen TV upstairs. I want a portable device to play music, and the key factor for that device is size, followed closely by battery life and ease-of-use -- and such a device, so useful for music, would be worthless for movies.

    My point is that convergence isn't here today, and I doubt it will be in the near future. The hurdles may eventually be overcome, but I suspect convergence might be like flying cars or cheap, easy nuclear power: perpetually five or ten years down the line.

  23. Re:Convergence by tha_mink · · Score: 4, Funny

    The problem you are referring to is fashion. I have no problem using a 5 year old walkman. I have no problem wearing non-faggy rollerblades from 1997. But most people just buy things based on look. They don't even know how to use them.

    *cough* Apple *cough*

    go'head kill me.

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  24. Great... now my toaster will spam me too by HighOrbit · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Your Bagle is ready. Would you like to see an add about Philly Cream Cheese?"

  25. They've discovered the magic of the microprocessor by GillBates0 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    A microprocessor is general enough to perform a variety of operations. It provides this functionality by providing a flexible set of basic operations called it's instruction set.

    Given such a generalized processor, we do away with the need to manufacture dedicated electronic hardware - and provide the functionality in specialized software which instructs the general-purpose microprocessor to perform a specific task. This is cheaper since software is easily reproduced/copied at a minimal cost.

    A capable generic microprocessor can perform the functions of most electronic devices (calculations, DSP, gaming device, prototyping etc) as long as software/peripherals is available for it. No wonder then that we're seeing electronic companies jumping on the idea of writing firm/software for generic microprocessors in an effort to expand their range of products at reduce costs.

    I predict that in a few years, we will have a single cheap generic microprocessor which will be found in most (or all) consumer electronic devices. Electronic companies will be largely reduced to software companies dedicated to writing software instead.

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  26. Yes, but... by shogarth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...most users still can't program a digital clock without help and most techs can't develop an interface that my grandmother can use. Until these two factors converge, high tech toys are going to remain the Playthings of Geekdom.

    1. Re:Yes, but... by tsg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...most users still can't program a digital clock without help and most techs can't develop an interface that my grandmother can use.

      Not to be insensitive, but your grandmother is going to die. Meanwhile the children being born today are growing up with the technology and will have no trouble using it. At two years old (he's four now), my son could put the tape in the VCR (even looks to make sure there's not one in already and ejects it if there is), switch the TV to Video, press play, and fast forward through the previews with no help from me. He's already proficient on a PC, even understands the difference between single and double-click and knows to wait when the hourglass comes up. Again, no offense, but my son could probably kick your grandmother's ass on a computer. Your grandmother is not the market for these devices. My son is.

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    2. Re:Yes, but... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So what? VCR's are already obsolete. And by the time Junior grows up, the interface on a PC will have changed at least 5 times. Soon, your kid will be in the same boat as the other poster's granny!

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  27. Beowulf cluser of playback devices? by Flashpot · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It seems to me this "convergence" thing is about making every *smart* piece of equipment a playback machine for some *drm controlled* content.

    Thanks but no thanks.

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  28. Having one home display device makes sense. by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having one home sound reproduction device makes sense.

    It saves complication and cost. It's just good engineering to simplify the system by reducing redundency to the optimum (not necessarily the minimum).

    Having your toaster call up a website to find out how far up it should turn the rheostat, phone your mom to let her know you're actually eating a good breakfast, tell you the next chess move in that game with your buddy and then starting your car does not reduce complication and cost.

    It is a poor solution.

    There's nothing wrong with convergence, so long as the convergence makes inherent sense.

    KFG

  29. Just imagine a date coming into your place... by sexylicious · · Score: 3, Funny

    You turn on the TV to watch a movie...
    "Problems down there? TRY CIALIS!"
    Or you go to the kitchen to get something to drink...
    "We've got the largest selection of dolls!"

    Like I'd want any of my appliances trying to sell me penis enlargement pills.

  30. Convergence? Yes!! by AltGrendel · · Score: 2, Funny

    Then we can all be individuals in the same way!

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    - Douglas Adams

  31. Apple by BortQ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apple really did a great job with their new Airport Express. It isn't what you would normally think of as 'convergence', but it accomplishes exactly what users want. Existing computer and stereo working together without a big hassle.

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  32. Downside of convergence by Ra5pu7in · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The biggest problem to come of convergence is the inability to get just what you need and want. I may only want a cell phone that can make phone calls - not a mini PDA / game machine. With the current rush, some manufacturers and developers are forgetting to leave the basic product available.

    Another problem is that a converged product may make you sacrifice performance in one area for performance in another. For example (made up, of course) a monitor/television/CD/DVD player combination might have the best visual clarity, but be so-so at reading DVDs and skip a lot -- while a competing product might play DVDs flawlessly, but max out at 800x680 resolution. The more converged products become, the less choice we consumers have to maximize the quality and/or minimize our cost.

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    1. Re:Downside of convergence by Dynedain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I may only want a cell phone that can make phone calls - not a mini PDA / game machine. With the current rush, some manufacturers and developers are forgetting to leave the basic product available

      Oh no they haven't forgotten. But if they give you one device that works perfectly well for the one need you have, they can't sell you another one a year from now.

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  33. Re:Convergence by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 3, Funny

    OK, I'll bite...my 12" iBook is tiny, tough and responsive. Apple's integration of the OS and hardware make it feel like I'm using a "tangible device" (ie a stereo, refrigerator, fax machine, copier), rather than using an abstracted operating system doing a balancing act on top of hardware.

  34. Re:Riiight by benzapp · · Score: 2, Informative
    From Wikipedia

    The term was coined by economist Alfred Sauvy in an article in the French magazine Le Nouvel Observateur of August 14, 1952. It was a deliberate reference to the "Third Estate" of the French Revolution. Tiers monde means third world in French. The term gained widespread popularity during the Cold War when many poorer nations adopted the category to describe themselves as neither being aligned with NATO or the USSR, but instead composing a non-aligned "third world."



    Leading members of this original "third world" movement were Yugoslavia, Indonesia, and Egypt. Many third world countries believed they could successfully court both the communist and capitalist nations of the world, and develop key economic partnerships without necessarily falling under their direct influence. In practice, this plan did not work out quite so well; many third world nations were exploited or undermined by the two superpowers who feared these supposedly neutral nations were in danger of falling into alignment with the enemy.

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  35. Convergence? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about converging the warm air coming from the back of the fridge into something useful, like keeping the coffee pot warm? Or how about converging some sunlight into hot water?

    How converging something useful?
    I don't need a pinhole camera that makes crappy sounding phone calls and plays mp3's.

  36. If it's the age of convergence ... by jdavidb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... then shouldn't it be a "Big Crunch" instead of a "Big Bang"?

    I'm about as enthusiastic about merging my cellphone and refrigerator with my PDA and electric blanket as I am about living through the Big Crunch, so maybe it's an appropriate name, too...

  37. Actually...Convergence happened ALREADY by mdrejhon · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Actually, convergence is happening all over the place. Just that we don't really know where we're converging to.
    Videogame consoles are nowadays video and music players too, with the XBox and PlayStation2.
    (1980's guy: How the hell do I insert Betamax tapes into my Atari!?)

    Cellphones now double as PDA and cameras too.
    (1980's guy: PDA? Public Displays of Affection and voyeurism with a cellphone? You're crazy.)

    Some printers are now copiers, scanners and faxes too.
    (1980's guy: Wow, my own Xerox! Where can I get one of these for the price of my Commodore dot matrix?)

    Most DVD video players are now CD/VCD/MP3 players too.
    (1980's guy: DVD? MP3? Oh, a disc format? Is that like the 12 inch LaserDisc?)

    Our cable TV is also an Internet conection (and even phone line too).
    (1980's guy: What's an Internet? And tell me, how the hell is phone over cable possible?)

    Cable and satellite TV boxes that also double as 100 hour tapeless recorders (PVR's).
    (1980's guy: A VCR that can record 100 hours with no videotape? You're kidding.)
    You name it, various kinds of convergence is happening today, all over the place. Who knows what's gonna happen next.
    1. Re:Actually...Convergence happened ALREADY by mdrejhon · · Score: 2, Insightful
      And least to those people who say cellphones did not exist in 1980's...
      1980's guy: Yeah, I have heard of them cell phones. Those amazingly small wireless radios that act as telephones just arrived at RadioShack last year. It is a little larger than my Walkman. Don't think I'll ever afford a cell phone in my lifetime, it costs half as much as my Datsun Rabbit car.

      And you say your cellphone can double as a PDA (Public Displays of Affection) and a camera AND a videogame system? It must be as large as my toaster and more boring than my Football LED game. You're crazy.
    2. Re:Actually...Convergence happened ALREADY by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I like 1980's guy. I think we should see more of him.

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      the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

    3. Re:Actually...Convergence happened ALREADY by homer_ca · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Videogame consoles are nowadays video and music players too, with the XBox and PlayStation2."

      Yes, they both play DVDs and CDs, but I hardly know anybody who use them that way because the value just isn't there, at least in this generation. The DVD playback kits for Xbox and PS2 cost $30. You get a remote control, infrared dongle, and the DVD decoder. Back when DVD players cost $200-300 it may have been worth it, but now you can get a cheap DVD player for $40, maybe even $30. Price points as much as features and convenience will determine which converged devices catch on or not.

  38. Rewriting History by meehawl · · Score: 4, Informative

    Consider a couple of the pioneers. With the iPod music player, Apple Computer added a tiny hard drive to a music-playing computer and -- voilá! -- vast music collections suddenly fit into a pocket.

    The quantity of historical revisionism in what passes for business journalism never ceases to amaze me. Goebbels would be proud!

    Archos was first company to market with a hard drive-based mp3 player in late 2000, although Compaq had a prototype device in early 2000 that they failed to market. There was even an open-source project to build a "High Capacity MP3 Player" in 2000 that quickly advanced to using hard drives.

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  39. The one impediment to this is... by spitefulcrow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Human interface. I know I don't want to watch movies on a 2" cell phone screen, nor do I want to write email on a touch-tone keypad (I don't care HOW smart your prediction software is). What the industry needs before this so-called "convergence" can occur is a new method of getting information to and from the humans using it. I've seen a lot of things that look like they could be promising, but they're all still being researched or are much too expensive to mass-produce. Until someone solves the issue of deciding between making users cramp their fingers by typing on tiny keypads or making them cart around massive pieces of equipment, convergence is going nowhere. $0.02

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  40. Re:Convergence by MrIcee · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The problem you are referring to is fashion. I have no problem using a 5 year old walkman. I have no problem wearing non-faggy rollerblades from 1997. But most people just buy things based on look. They don't even know how to use them.

    *cough* Apple *cough*

    go'head kill me

    Well... for starters... if your 5 year old walkman constantly skipped tracks, or your rollerblades wheels tended to fall off from time to time, you would probably replace them.

    Kinda like my old Windows PC... When OS X came out... I got rid of the broken shit and replaced it with something that worked. The fact that it looks nice to is an added benefit but not the reason for the purchase. (Though I will agree that nobody does pretty plastic better than Apple).

  41. The problem will all this by Strych9 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With the advent of RFID tags, corporations will be able to view and montior exact when we use their product. Do you really want your fridge telling people what you eat and when?

    Let me be more precise, how about your fridge telling your insurance company that you eat too much ice cream/iced tea/coke whatever. Your medical insurance goes up because you are being a risk for diabetes.

    Of course now you are saying, no problem, I just won't volunteer to get one. Fine, but over time you will have no choice but to buy one with that "feature".

    It is around the corner, it will make life in the former Soviet Union look like a utopia of privacy. (Thank that is a dumb statement? with the DMCA: Dmetri Skylov became a criminal for talking about faulty encryption, aka exercising free speech and was arrested, if this can happen why not something further on?)

  42. Re:Deja Vu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am also getting the feeling of Deja Vu, but for a different reason. I seem to remember going to some trade shows about 7-8 years ago and hearing a lot about these dishwashers and refridgerators that will connect to the internet, computers built into your wristwatch that will talk to the computer in your cellphone, and some new technology from Sun called Jini that will become the killer platform for this.

    Talking about all this great up-and-coming technology that was supposedly going to be in every home by 2002 is actually making me kind of nostalgic. Somehow I think that the nostalgia would be stronger if we were at the point of remembering the technology, rather then dreaming of it.

    Cest la vie.

  43. The Ironing is Delicous by windside · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The result is a Big Bang of convergence...

    Does anyone else find this statement just a wee bit contradictory? Isn't the "Big Bang" metaphor traditionally reserved for describing phenomena of divergence? Maybe it would be more appropriate to call it a "Big Crunch of convergence".

    Just a thought...

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  44. Just like the TV/VCR Combo by ElForesto · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't want convergence on that scale. I look at what happens when you build too many things together into one device, and you generally will get something that does it all, but is mediocre at best. Take a look at combo VCR/DVD players. They don't do either task exceedingly well, and the only real benefit is saving a miniscule amount of space. I'll believe in convergence when their predecessors stop sucking so bad.

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  45. Yeah, that's a good idea! by Thud457 · · Score: 3, Interesting
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  46. I don't need milk! by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Sure, your fridge will tell you you need milk..."

    I'm going to be pissed if I can't program in vegan options. I don't need my fridge trying to puch animal products on me.
    FRIDGE: "Your soy milk is past due Dave. It is time to buy milk."
    ME: "Shut the hell up and open the damn pod bay door!"

  47. Urban commando phone by mcrbids · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I live my life with a cell phone stuck to my waist. It's a way of life - I'll be outside, lounging in the backyard with a good Sagan book, and I need to ask one of the kids to change out the laundry.

    I reach for my hip, call the house (50 feet away) and tell one of the kids to change out the laundry.

    However, there are a few itches that, if scratched, would make my phone ohhh so much more utilitarian.

    I could care less about downloadable ring tones, and the crappy resolution in most picture-phones leaves alot to be desired.

    I'm picturing the ultimate in day-to-day utility.

    I call it: the "Urban Commando Phone"

    OK, picture this:

    Your ordinary, average-looking cell phone, containing:

    1) A cell phone - very stock, very ordinary. Clips to your belt like any decent cell phone should.

    2) A flashlight - using a single, blue-white LED bulb on one of the top corners, you have an instant, usable, but not particularly bright flashlight. Help you find your keys, whatever. Why hasn't anybody thought of this no-brainer?

    3) A universal remote control. You have all those buttons on your cell phone, you have plenty of battery life, why not a trainable universal remote control? Best part - if you lose it, you can just call it with another phone!

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  48. Convergence is Certainly Disruptive by Prototerm · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Much of the convergence we have today is certainly disruptive -- disruptive to the user, that is! Many cell phones have cameras on them, which means you aren't allowed to take them everywhere (e.g., some business ban them from the premesis). And, like I really want to surf the net, read email, or play games on that microscopic display screen! And don't get me started on Instant Messaging (and the inevitable SPIM). It's nothing more than a Profit Margin looking for a customer. It might be different if they weren't such lousy phones.

    My next cell phone will be a phone, period, not some toy that's everything but a Veg-O-Matic. You can keep the rest of that...convergence.

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  49. Convergence is about negating the customer? by rbird76 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Businesses seem to be trying to bind their customers by coercion rather than to trust customers to choose their products willingly. Music, movie, and software businesses seem to rely more on dictating customer desires than on fulfilling them.

    Convergence could be a buzzword for businesses coordinating with each other on products; the coordination allows them to get what they want from their customers (money, information) while at the same time using the power that their cooperation gives them to ignore what their customers want (as often as possible). Convergence is a way for vendors to ignore price and flexibility and instead go for a comprehensive and interrelated set of products. It might negate the need for businesses to compete on price because they don't have competition anymore (the web of interconnections between products would make price choices difficult, and flexibility irrelevant) and because by linking items together, choices between competing products become more difficult because the constraints (their effects on other purchases) become overwhelming.

    For the most part, convergence may not be about products much more convenient; it seems to be less about improving the lives of customers and more about making them irrelevant. By making choices difficult (if not impossible), convergence might allow businesses to even more blatantly ignore their customers while guaranteeing themselves their business. In this scenario, customers' wills would be an obstacle to businesses getting money from them. Ideally, your possessions would spend your money as their manufacturers see fit, and would not have to worry about that pesky free will...

  50. Convergence? how about divergence by fikx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd rather all the different devices work together instead of building all my devices into one. Let me put my phone call into my car speakers....let me take the picture on my PC and put it up on my TV....let me share a photo from my camera on the screen of the the guy next to me with a laptop...

    I know you can do all these things now, but not without a bunch of proprietary, unpredictable fiddling even if the right devices are involved. I want the ability to be common, not a rare combination. If converagnce means all my gadgets have the computing power to speak the same language, then Let's do it!

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  51. Oh, this is just wonderful... by JRHelgeson · · Score: 3, Funny
    So, I open my web browser at work, log into my refrigerator at home only to hear it say: "You've got Mold!"

    ...Sorry

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  52. It's the money, silly. by Texas+Consultant · · Score: 2, Funny

    Convergence is one half of the cycle of inventing many new trivial gadgets and then consolidating them, ensuring there's something we all just must buy every year. The result is an endless cash supply and burgeoning landfill...

  53. Re:that setup is just cool by a1englishman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sad news my friend: When you have a houseand a little extra money, you won't have time to attempt this. You'll be mowing the lawn, hanging drapes, throwing away junk in the garage, entertaining your kids, and hanging out with the wife. I tend to believe the guy who built that system was making it all up. Sounds good, but pure fantasy.