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Winning Critical Acclaim

Alex Reynolds writes "'Are pop critics doing a good job? What does it mean to do a good job as a pop music critic? What is the difference between good and bad pop music criticism?' Loren Jan Wilson's innovative Pitchformula project takes the archives of music criticism and journalism from the popular Pitchfork web site and analyses them for commonalities in content, determining what attributes make for a 'good' or 'bad' evaluation. From this data, Wilson sculpted his compositional and performance technique to write rock music that should win critical acclaim."

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  1. ...Like Dancing About Architecture by flanksteak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I always read album reviews with a grain of salt. I've never been able to identify as to why, but I have never found popular music reviews to be very helpful to me. There are only so many ways that you can describe a particular song or expression of a genre and none of them adequately convey the way that I react to music. It's weird because I can read movie and book reviews and understand (and possibly agree on) what the writer is trying to say about the overall quality and purpose of the work.

    But when a music review comes along, it just doesn't work. Is it because it's very difficult to describe the collaboration of multiple instruments in a linear and narrow format (i.e., the sentence)?

    Along the same lines I've found that I have a very hard time describing music adequately to others. The only thing that occasionally succeeds (and happens to get used in music reviews all the time) is to compare the work to something that went before (like saying Limp Bizkit is a combination of funk and metal, or Britney is bubble gum sex pop). But then that's just a generic description, and not so much a statement on subjective quality.

    I don't think I've ever bought an album where I thought a reviewer captured how I felt about the music after I listened to it. It will be interesting to see if this can be accomplished using what sounds like some sort of data mining exercise.

    Thank God for try before you buy. This is the one thing that has me buying more music over the last year than the previous four or five.

    1. Re:...Like Dancing About Architecture by ari_j · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You said it yourself: "subjective" is the key word. It's a lot easier to write objectively about film or books than it is about music. You can (and should) still take in film and books subjectively, but your subjective view and my subjective view are, as the word implies, subject to you and to me, respectively, and you are not me and I am not you and sometimes I'm not even I.

      My point is that any review will have elements of the objective and of the subjective in it, but in music there's much less to be meaningfully objective about (outside of technical fundamentals) compared to film and books.

    2. Re:...Like Dancing About Architecture by flanksteak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, that nails it. While music is often collaborative like film, the elements of a movie aren't always as tightly integrated or interdependent. You can still like a story while disliking an actor's performance, while you rarely say about a song, 'I liked the bass line and the lyrics, but the rythym guitar sucked'. If part of the song is off, it's difficult for the rest to stand on its own.

      Books are also easy to pick apart, as they don't often have a lot going on at once and you can enjoy specific sections more than others. Like Neal Stephenson's books which are great until you have to suffer through his godawful endings.

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    3. Re:...Like Dancing About Architecture by ziggy_zero · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You should especially take Pitchfork reviews with a grain of salt.

      Many of the reviewers there have vastly different opinions of many artists, and many have the typical indie rock prick mindset of "the more obscure it is the better". And the 10 point and single decimal scale has always irked me. What the fuck is the difference between a 6.7 album and a 7.3 album?

      I like the reviews in the Rasputin Manifesto (the magazine run by Rasputin Records), because they're relatively short, and don't use a point/star scale. You have to actually read the review to see if you'll like it or not.

      I usually just go to Pitchfork to get my daily dose of concert/new release news.

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    4. Re:...Like Dancing About Architecture by jglazer75 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A good music review will leave you NEEDING to hear whatever it is that was the subject of the review. After reading Psychedelic Reactions and Carborateur Dung (the finest collection of rock criticism ever) I needed to run out and listen to Bowie and The Clash and the MC5 and James Brown and The Animals and The Velvet Underground. And I hate Lou Reed. But damn Bangs is convincing.

      Some of the best reviews do exactly what you suggest, they hint at what has gone before (isn't that what all music does anyway?)...it can be difficult to describe a band in words without referencing the influences because the basis for your commentary is also the basis for the music. So, stay away from reviews that say: "I deem this album 3.5 stars because I am able to determine what's good." (I don't think David Fricke of Rolling Stone has ever written a good review. And Greil Marcus stopped being good when he stopped emulating Lester Bangs.)

      A good review is objective: "This album sounds like Aphex Twin, Pink Floyd and Nine Inch Nails got together, kicked each other's asses, and then had torrid, violent make-up sex." Or "If Tom Petty and Willie Nelson wrote a Counting Crows song, it wouldn't sound anything like this, but the words might be similar."

      ps. You still BUY albums??! Loser.

    5. Re:...Like Dancing About Architecture by edhall · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Album reviews can be useful if they are written by someone who has similar tastes to yours. Thus I find it useful to go back and look for good reviews of albums I especially like, and then look up other reviews written by the same reviewer. This doesn't always work -- musical taste is multidimensional. Thus I tend to associate a given genre with a favored reviewer and not automatically trust his/her reviews in other genres.

      I agree that most reviewers, even ones whose tastes I share, don't seem to capture very well what makes a given track "good" or "bad" or even "different." But it's still worthwhile seeking reviewers that seem to like what I like even if they can't explain why (and I) like it.

      -Ed
    6. Re:...Like Dancing About Architecture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      What the fuck is the difference between a 6.7 album and a 7.3 album?

      .6

    7. Re:...Like Dancing About Architecture by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Funny
      The only review that meant anything:


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  2. pop != rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What is the difference between good and bad pop music criticism? ... From this data, Wilson sculpted his compositional and performance technique to write rock music that should win critical acclaim.

    Anyone else see the problem here?

  3. Re:link to MP3s by 7Ghent · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here
    and here rather.
    That'll teach me not to preview my damn posts...

  4. Why I care... by Alex+Reynolds · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a freelance music writer, I care to some degree that my kind of writing can be reduced to this. His work provides some perspective, something I can use to step back and evaluate what I do. Am I a shill or doing something useful?

    Outside of this, I find his work is a funny and insightful commentary on how the whole flow of media and information can fold back in on itself in an unexpected way. Metameta, baby.

  5. Hmmm..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've started a website to track the way that comments are moderated on web forums. The patterns jumped out immediately with even the most cursory examination - say good things about Linux, Apple or socialism, get moderated up. Say good things about Microsoft or the US, get moderated down. "Truth" had absolutely no effect on the moderation.

    Let me gaze into my crystal ball and see how this comment will be moderated..... Hmmm.....

  6. My Opinion by Haydn+Fenton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Mod me down if you will, I know it is slightly offtopic, but I think the majority of people involved with the music business do a much much worse job than they could.
    They are driven (not that I can really blame them) by profit.
    The artists themselves write terrible songs (look at 'Frankee's song in reply to Eamon's song - how many of us could write lyrics to another song? Exactly, pretty much everyone - It's not challenging, and her lyrics are pretty damn bad too). The critics don't really care who ends up number one, or who doesn't even enter the charts, they care about money. Just like Microsoft, and look where that got them (yeah, they may be rich, but they're hated by a lot of people).

    Musicians, Footballers, Actors, etc. They all make massive amounts of money for things which contribute almost nothing to the evolution and development of mankind. Now look at people like nurses, firemen, teachers, etc. We (at least here in britain) often hear about them going on stike because of low pay, yet they contribute a great deal to mankind.

    The whole monetary system is really messed up.
    If we sorted it out, we might see some musicians and critics who work hard at their job.


    Disclaimer: I love music, couldn't live without it, and I think a lot of artists do a great job, but I stand by my point. They should get paid the same, if not less than people who actually do the world good.

    1. Re:My Opinion by Raptor+CK · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In a coldly Darwinian sense, nurses, firemen, and teachers contribute very little to mankind. They're helping those who would otherwise be culled from the gene pool at an earlier age. They'd die of some disease, or in a fire, or just end up in a dead end job without the ability to read, utterly forgotten about.

      Not that I really agree with that, but it's entire possible to look at things from that perspective.

      To contract, musicians, athletes, and actors give us something to strive for. Music and drama are, in a sense, a method of communication. Music especially may trigger emotions and physiological responses which foster better mental and emotional development. Athletes represent the pinnacle of physical perfection, giving us a baseline by which to judge ourselves.

      I think that in certain ways, all of the types of people whom you've mentioned contribute to the development of mankind.

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    2. Re:My Opinion by grioghar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We don't fear dying or being stupid anymore in this day of extended life and wealth of information.

      We fear being bored. And thus, we throw exhorbident amounts of cash and idolation at the shrines of entertainment.

      *looks around and realizes he sounds fanatical*

      Just the way I've always looked at it. Hell, I admit I do it to.

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    3. Re:My Opinion by HexRei · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Musicians, Footballers, Actors, etc. They all make massive amounts of money for things which contribute almost nothing to the evolution and development of mankind. Now look at people like nurses, firemen, teachers, etc. We (at least here in britain) often hear about them going on stike because of low pay, yet they contribute a great deal to mankind.

      This is not at all true. For one thing, the ones that make massive amounts of money are the top tiny percentile of their profession. For every actor making 10 million a year, there are thousands who work day jobs washing dishes just to make ends meet. This is also true of sports and music.

      You do make a good point about teachers being paid too little, however... I'm not sure how GB is but if its like the states, public school teachers are paid less than the average construction worker.

  7. Knock off the pop, join the metal people! by Lord+Graga · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have found metal reviews a lot more interesting to read. Especially the reviews at Gothmetal.net has been good reading. It might just be because of the VARIATION that metal has brought with it. Pop music, rap, dance, techno, whatever you call it, has allways had a bit of repetition in my eyes.

    1. Re:Knock off the pop, join the metal people! by arcanumas · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yes variation.
      Please listen to the following groups:
      Crimson Glory (the first two albums)
      Therion
      Apocalyptica
      Arcturus (la masquerade infernale)
      Tristania
      Solitude Aeturnus
      Paradise Lost (Draconian Times)
      Type O Negative
      Nightwish
      i am not including 'extreme' death/black metal groups because i don't like them.

      If that still sound the same to you then you have a serious problem.
      I am not saying you have to like it just understand the variation.

      I may not be a big fan of many kinds electronic music (such as dance, house, modern 'trance' etc) but i simply love the works of Future Sound of London, or Sven Vath). This is because i understand their difference.
      I suppose that to you that's "all the bleeping sounds that the composer knew were on his synthesizer".

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  8. The Best Music Isn't Formulaic by Axeus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you actually read pitchforkmedia.com, you'll see that the highest rated albums are the ones that innovate the most, that bend old genres, create new ones, and break all formulas. The lowest rated records are those that knock off established artists and pander to the general public (i.e. not critics)

  9. Basically by jfdawes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This guy is saying for the most part society in general is pretty damn predictable and if you know how you can produce something that is "pleasant". i.e. it fits well within the mainstream and can be said to have some mildly controversial elements (ha! controversational) while not really offending anybody.

    Essentially you can bank on being able to sell something if you're prepared to make pap. Is it any sort of news that tastes in music can be estimated as easily as tastes in food?

    McDonalds anyone?

  10. When in Slashdot, do as the slashdotters... by MissTuxie · · Score: 3, Funny

    1. Rock band
    2. Pitchformula review
    3. ???
    4. Profit!
    So much easier than actually making a comment.

  11. It would have been more impressive... by peeping_Thomist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    if she'd gotten her music reviewed before she revealed how she made it. Now we'll never know how Pitchforkmedia would have reviewed them.

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  12. The question has a false premise... by GPLDAN · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The article states - what does it take to be a good POP reviewer? That makes no sense. No serious music critic would define the question that way. A good music critic reviews mnay genres - classical, jazz, rock - and sub-genres, alternative or indy-rock, ska, hip-hop, etc.

    These reviewers would tell you the term "pop" means nothing to them. If you are going to confine yourself to reviewing what is on the Billboard charts, you should get out of the business.

    His approach is flawed, he is taking written reviews of popular music, and attempting to determine what the critics liked about by de-constructing the review into keywords. Shouldn't he be de-constructing the music itself? If I steal the riff from this song, and combine it this way - I could create a new song that should also be popular. Either way, it's not going to work. No computational analysis, either of written reviews or of the actual notes themselves - will reveal a hidden formula for writing good songs that will be popular.

  13. What if NME developed it? by keefey · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, if the NME had developed it (a music rag in the UK), it would simply go like this:

    if (band_name == "The Strokes" || band_name == "The Libertines")
    printf("10/10");
    else
    printf("%d/10", rand()%10);

    On an honest note, it annoys me that there should be some generic formula for critically analysing music. It's this kind of thing that makes all music follow a generic pub-rock path like it did in the mid-late 90's (Oasis anyone?). Or generic R&B/Urban path like it does now...

  14. Eargh.. Pitchfork.. by chewy_2000 · · Score: 4, Funny
    I think SA has a pretty good take on Pitchfork Media.

    Here.

  15. Spot good music by watching the video... by n0rr1s · · Score: 2, Funny

    The better looking the artist, the worse the music.

    Seriously, surfing the music channels I have lately found myself switching channels before hearing the song, if the people in the video are too pretty. Perhaps I'll become classically conditioned to dislike beautiful people.

    Hmmm. This is beginning to suggest a Pavlovian psychology study. Also reminds me a little of A Clockwork Orange.

  16. Why'd he use pitchfork for this? by DumbRedGuy · · Score: 2, Informative

    If he wanted to compose "original songs" based on a predictable formula, why use pitchfork as a source?

    So, look at this scoring system. He says anything over 7.4 is a positive review, and he counts up the words used in it. What happens when they review the latest Radiohead album, give it a 9.3 and whine for 500 words about what wasn't perfect? To me (a daily reader of pfork), they are good at talking about new indie music and getting the word out, but they are pretty arbitrary with whether a 7.9 review was an awesome album (junior senior), or a mild disappointment (modest mouse's latest) in their eyes.

    If you want to make a point and say "here's the formula to a good song", why use pitchfork? Why not use Entertainment Weekly or something that is much more mainstream and will follow trends?

    Shit, half the time pitchfork doesn't even talk about the album. It could be a guy reminiscing about childhood or how he used to hate/like these guys, and then end with "so that's MY life story. (Album gets a 7.4)".

    Metacritic (www.metacritic.com) averages reviews from many sources and weighs the scores as they see fit.

    Anyway, I love pitchfork, but I don't see them as the basis of anything even remotely systematic.

  17. Bayesian approach to music likes ? by Animaether · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's a single genre - pop. This is e-mail ;)
    Now there's good elements to pop - ham
    And bad elements to pop - spam

    So now using the same method that a spammer would use against you if they had your bayesian datafile to create a ham e-mail, he can create 'good' pop.

    Or so the theory goes. After all, when 'good' elements in womens' faces are all combined together to make the theoretically 'perfect' face, the result is something not too attractive.

    And besides.. POP = very mainstream = pushed by labels = RIAA milking cow

    1. Re:Bayesian approach to music likes ? by DoraLives · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Won't it be nice when they finally figure out how to make EXCELLENT music algorithmically? And even better when we can dial that music to suit our own individual tastes? And even maybe have some kind of diddybop that would allow the machine to read our emotional state in some kind of basic way (heart rate, skin temperature, whatever) to let it give us a variety of music that would keep in tune with our mood?

      Yeah, that will be nice. And I can't even imagine why somebody would want to smother such a thing in its crib, so I'm sure we'll all be listening to our own private music here real soon.

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  18. Indie film reviews by Bad+Vegan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The same issue applies to film reviews.

    I'm the producer on an indie film currently in its festival run (shameless plug: http://www.qualityoflife-themovie.com) and it's amazing how much power these reviews have, particular with the industry press (Variety, Hollywood Reporter, etc.).

    What's completely messed up is that these industry reviews can make or break a small indie film like ours. The big Hollywood bloatware films can just spend their way into the hearts and minds of American theaters.

    We might not even get a chance to be in theaters if the industry reviews are poor. Distributors pay attention -- or not -- based on these reviews.

    And why not? Distributor's lives are hectic and who has time to do detailed marketing analyses on thousands of new indie films each year...why not let the industry rags do it for you?

    It's so frustrating since so many of these reviewers aren't the target audience for the films.

    For instance, our film is a narrative feature about two graffiti writers in San Francisco. It's completely targeted at an underground youth audience...and those people that love that sort of thing. But the Variety reviewer was -- drumroll please -- a middle age dude who actually used the word "louts" in his review....and said the soundtrack was "molar-rattling".

    Grandpa obviously woke up on the wrong side of the bed.....

    In fact, younger audiences (14-25) generally love the film....but the acquisitions folks may never get the chance to know this. Etc etc.

    We're just one example, but in the music industry, the same sort of thing is going on.

    During the dotcom years, people talked about disintermediating the system such that people like us (media producers) could reach an audience (film viewer, music lovers, etc.) directly.

    Sadly, the only thing that came of this (in a major way) is peer-to-peer, which doesn't exactly pay the rent. Also, filmmaking has a much different $$ structure than music. Musicians can make most of their money on live shows, while filmmakers make it all in the exhibition/distribution. Thus, peer-to-peer directly threatens us in a way it doesn't necessarily hurt musicians....But I'm sure some of our musician (or geek) friends might disagree in one way or another.

    But that's a different debate.... :-)

    - Brant

    1. Re:Indie film reviews by Bad+Vegan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Good points.

      But I'm not sure what indie musicians you're speaking about that make a decent living doing non-traditional/non-label distribution, but I know a good number of them and all either have day jobs or do corporate work.

      Believe me, I wish it were otherwise.

      I totally agree that indie filmmakers have a lot to learn from the indie music world. Music is ahead of filmmaking since the means of production are more accessible and only now is widespread desktop filmmaking starting to take off more.

      But distribution will always be a tough issue.

      Actually, there's a growing movement of self-distributed indies (example: Greg Pak's Robot Stories) that are doing some version of this for theatrical and many, many others that are doing self-distribution for home video and DVD.

      However, filmmaking is fundementally different than music. The difference is this: live shows are never the same while film screenings are always the same. It's the difference betwen live performances and recorded performances, which is pretty fundemental from an audience perspective.

      Here are the other reasons why films seek larger distribution deals:

      - Fixed costs are high
      Film production, music clearances, SAG actor costs, legal costs, etc. are all relatively fixed costs regardless if the film budget is $30,000 or $3M. While some of these costs are based on number screens (music and SAG, in particular), even the entry-level costs are considerable (for limited release).

      It's a brutal cycle, since audiences want to see expensive stars and production values before they pay to see most films. This then means more cost thus the need for wider distribution to cover these costs.

      - ROI for investors
      Most indie filmmakers are not independently wealthy and even those that are don't want to simply lose their money on a film. Investment-driven film financing ensures that filmmakers seek the widest possible distribution. Self-distribution rarely makes much money.

      - Helps sell home vide
      This is a big deal. Theatrical release rarely turns a profit due to the HUGE marketing costs of being in theaters, even for small indie films that don't do major advertising. Basically, theatrical releases are marketing for the home video releases, which is where most filmmakers make their money back. Of course, this is the revenue stream that peer-to-peer directly threatens. Why buy a DVD when you can just download it for free?

      And this is where music is very different than the film industry: musicians (even "stars") tend to make their money on live performances while filmmakers make it on recorded DVD/video sales.

      - Audience trust and experience
      Most audiences will not see a film an auditorium or club. It's a matter of perception of quality and expectation. Movie theaters are made for movies. The technical quality and the overall experience in spaces that are not theaters is generally horrible. Trust us, our film has been shown in one of these multi-use spaces and no one could understand a word of dialogue.

      Musicians have somewhat the same situation in that spaces that are not meant for live music can make their work sound like crap.

      Thus, filmmakers seek distribution in movie theaters, rather than just anywhere with a blank wall.

      - Our filmmaking careers
      In order to make more movies, we need to raise the funds to do so. In order to that, we need to prove a track record of ROI for past investors or at least an ability to get a film into theaters. This drives us to get into as many theaters as possible and avoid self-distribution.

      - Economies of scale
      Also, filmmakers are generally not marketing people. Experienced film marketing people can only handle so many jobs at once, since each job has a certain overhead regardless of size (as any consultant will tell you). Thus, they tend to take on the larger projects that have the possibility of larger distribution and thus larger dollars for them. Same is probably true of music labels.

  19. Your Opinion is Wrong by CyberHippyRedux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Insightful my ass...

    "Musicians, Footballers, Actors, etc." do not all make massive amounts of money, only those who have a good grasp of their industry make a living, and of those a few make it to the top. For every Eminem there are hundreds of performers trying (and failing) to get there. How much do the actors at your local theater (assuming you're not living in NYC) make? Probably a free meal and a drink, in most cases.

    It isn't the monetary system that's messed up, it's modern life. Twenty years ago every small town had several bands playing in the bars downtown any night. Now, most have one or two clubs or bars that have music on the weekends, and they're lucky if they fill up enough for the musicians to walk away with more than $50.

    In a major city you can work your way up to making a living with music, if you have the skills, patience, tenacity and luck.

    Many bands who have hit it "big" have wound up with little or no money due to the way the record companys handle things - handing signees a wad of cash that turns out to be a "front" or loan against future sales, charging the band for EVERYTHING (studio time, distribution, everything the record company does they charge the band).

    Modern Americans are either too lazy or scared of the potential of getting a DUI to go out to a club to see a live band. Why try when you have hundreds of channels of crap on the TV to choose from?

    It's very rare for the average musician to get paid enough to survive - all the "professional" musicians I know (yes I'm one of them) have day-jobs to pay the rent.

  20. pitchfork by NanoWit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All the reviews I've read on pitchforkmedia.com have been explaining how either the author of the review is better than the band being reviewed, or how the author and the band are both much better than you. They don't fall over themselves to praise every band (which is good) but I still don't think I get solid information there (which is bad). My method for finding music still is finding somebody that has tastes sort of close to yours, then getting into whatever they like.

  21. Sincerity is not reproducible by CharAznable · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The results are hardly suprising.
    Critics like Radiohead, Sigur Ros, The Flaming Lips and Wilco.
    Critics hate The Vines.
    One thing you can't recreate by analyzing databases is sincerity, which is an integral part of the bands that critics like.

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  22. You misunderstand his use of "pop" by Stick_Fig · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I think you need to take a step back and think about this a second.

    Pop has a pretty wide definition in some people's minds. He's not even thinking of the Billboard charts -- I take what he was implying as "anything but classical or traditional music". I'm betting that "pop" was a simple way for him to encapsulate ALL genres of music into his study. I have a wide definition of pop too -- just because I can see most music as one entity does not mean that I can't break down the lines, either.

    I think you really underestimate what he's getting at.

    As-is, I'm impressed by the study because it tweaks the nipples of anyone with a critical eye to music. I hope Pitchfork reviews these songs in their "We Are the World" section, because it'd be interesting to see how close they got. Strangely enough, I believe that Pitchfork is also located in Chicago.

    The music itself reminded me of a lot of stuff that's been highly rated in the last few years on Pitchfork including The Postal Service (style-wise) and Wilco (production-wise; very untraditional techniques used). His voice reminds me of Sondre Lerche and Sufjan Stevens, two highly-rated artists on the site. At the same time, there's a couple of unique touches to it.

    Who knows, maybe he'll earn a couple of fans out of it.

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  23. Why *I* care, too... by muel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I as well am a freelance music writer, and though I'm tempted to link to my writing, I'd rather not have my editor freak out about her website crashing for "some completely random spike in traffic." mm-hmm.

    at any rate, this has to be my favorite /. link yet, because it combines everything that I love -- songwriting, music criticism and analysis of language. his database work is really good at nailing reviewer's cliches... in fact, while flipping through his data, I've found a lot of phrases that I gravitate towards that are listed and used here, too. this may mean much more to me than most of the people who read this, but as a guy who writes CD reviews, I have found the holy grail of how NOT to construct a CD review. it's like, "THESE are the cliche phrases - don't use them."

    what's interesting, though, is that this isn't so much a breakdown of music critism as much as it is a breakdown of human expression. I think if you take a narrow field of ANY sect of criticism, be it paintings, music, or even sports, you're going to run into a very particular style of expression, of phrases, of whatever specifically TARGETS the audience that seeks said narrow field. I mean, I'm not going to review impressionist art and gripe about qualities befitting a lifelike landscape portrait... sure, both forms will have things in common as visual expressions, but the person who wants the Van Gogh and the person who wants the 'happy trees' are going to appreciate their choice for very different reasons. so the fact that his mp3s sound much like what a pitchfork critic loves isn't a surprise at all. it just proves the consistency of the listening audience in question.

    now on to the music.

    I downloaded the mp3s and was pretty impressed with the instrumental work. sometimes, the drumwork tries so hard to contrast the backing music that it begins to sound TOO uncomfortable, but other times, the contrast is compelling. otherwise, he has picked up the spirit of Pitchfork-style criticism, in which new music fuses analog and digital instrumentation by culling LOTS of older influences and smushing them together. important bands are the ones that do two things: first, they take a step towards doing something new and interesting with musical forms, and second, they root their sounds in pop precedents. you hear both experimentation and catchiness in Wilson's test songs.

    those lyrics, on the other hand, don't come off so well, and I'm pretty sure the biggest reason is because a music critic considers lyrics as an integral part of the sound of a song, while Wilson takes the lyrical portion of songwriting and sets it outside the musical portion. Lyrics might be called "poetry," but even the greatest books of lyrics sound much worse when read than when sung with the intended music. Perhaps Pitchfork would eat these emo-sad lyrics up, but I see these lyrics in the same vein as NIN lyrics - sad for sad's sake, cliched, no real metaphoric weight.

    I'd be interested to see a similar project used to analyze poetry criticism, and then have those "analyzed" lyrics ported into Wilson's songs. then he might have a computer-created winner.

    all in all, you'd expect a totally robotic response to this sort of database study. "a song must have ingredient x and ingredients b, y and q. the computer has fused those ingredients together and here is the result." but one thing Wilson doesn't credit in his study is the ultimate human creation that is necessary. Wilson's statistics merely guided his own brain into composing what he felt matched the criticisms, which means the songs also matched the pop sensibilities that had to have been burrowed in his head for years. He's obviously a music fan and, even if he played "against his will," still applied his years of musical study and play to his final product. I wouldn't expect many other people in his shoes to apply his database results to music and come out in the end with mp3s that sound that listenable.

    he hasn't rendered music critics obsolete or

  24. Re:flavor of the day by Arial+Sharon,+10pt. · · Score: 2, Interesting
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  25. Irrelevant? by nick_davison · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Isn't a pop-music critic irrelevant by definition?

    Pop Music is an abbrieviation of Popular Music. By definition, the best popular music is simply whatever sells the most. The worst popular music is whatever sells the least.

    Certainly, people can have other views. People can have their personal tastes. At the end of the day though, they simply have opinions vs. the simple perfect (by definition) metric of sales.

    I'm sure an argument can be made about marketing having an influence on sales. While that's potentially true, recognise what the basic business of a record label is. They want to make as much money as possible. If they believe a record has mass appeal, whether it's good, bad or indifferent, they'll put in as much money as they think will get them a return greater than their investment. OK, they can get that judgment wrong sometimes but their opinion, given their paid highly for it, is more likely to be accurate than most critics. If the critics were so accurate, the record labels would hire them as A and R men.

    There is the notion of artistic merit. Then again, seeing as it's relatively rare for anything artistic to get even close to uniform reviews, even that is more personal opinion and personal values than anything else.

    At the end of the day, all a critic really does is serve to be someone with an opinion. If you can find one with an opinion close to your own, they can save you time by helping you find things that suit such a shared opinion.

    Still, when it comes to pop music, given its basic definition, analysing criticism, as opposed to analysing nothing more complex than sales figures, is probably a mistake.

  26. The perfect +5 post? by IronicGrin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Has anyone done a study analyzing Slashdot moderation patterns with the aim of creating a template for the "perfect +5 post"?

    Seems like every other critical medium has been vivisected using lame-ass statistical meme-mapping techniques, so why not this one? Go to it, muchachos. There must be a dissertation in there somewhere.

    (Or barring that, a pony.)

    1. Re:The perfect +5 post? by Kiryat+Malachi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microsoft sucks Linux roxors troll survives ESR open source copyright SCO karma whore repost redundant STUPID FUCKING MICHAEL potatoes.

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  27. Let's face the music... by Izago909 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The vast majority of pop music is a cookie-cutter formula. By using music written by a template, lyrics written at a 5th grade level, and vocals preformed by some cute blonde, most pop is made for the lowest common denominator in order to appleal the the highest number of people. That translates into more market saturation and more sales. I'm not saying that all pop music is garbage, but most of it is by default. We can't forget that most of these so called critics are in the industry's pocket also.

  28. "Darwinian" by Infonaut · · Score: 2, Insightful
    In a coldly Darwinian sense, nurses, firemen, and teachers contribute very little to mankind.

    I could see how someone could argue from that perspective, and I understand that you're advancing this case for the sake of arugment, but such an opinion is easily dismissed:

    FDR suffered from polio. Whether he was a good President or bad, he did sit in the White House longer than any President in U.S. history. The docs and nurses who kept him from dying helped America's Commander in Chief stay alive during WW II.

    Were the teachers of Robert Goddard or Margaret Thatcher or Neil Armstrong helping someone who would otherwise have been culled from the gene pool at an earlier age? It seems to me that the contributions of teachers affect everyone who is taught, be they intrinsically capable or otherwise. But all benefit from their teaching.

    The term "Darwinian" is often used to justify the notion that "survival of the fittest" means survival of the strongest individuals, when it really refers to the adaptability of an entire species. In this sense, members of a species (humans) that contribute to the overall strength of the species are quite valuable indeed.

    I don't disagree that musicians, athletes, and actors can be valuable members of a society and the species as a whole. The notion that an individual can be a representative of an ideal can be a very compelling motivator for those who wish to emulate that individual, as any cyclist who watches the Tour de France can attest.

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  29. Pitchfork is crap by no+reason+to+be+here · · Score: 2, Informative

    NIN releases are routinely bashed on the pitchfork site. Look at a broad base of rock critics however, and you will see NIN being generally praised. It's not just NIN, either. Some of the critics as pitchfork seem to have an agenda against certain bands, and make sure to give said bands poor ratings at every turn. (Though I'm not sure, a cursory look at the site seems to suggests that the one positive NIN review they have up, written by one James P. Wisdom, was the last review written by said reviewer for the site).

  30. Notes From a Former "Critic" by cribcage · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let me begin with a disclaimer: I used to work as a jazz journalist. I've written more than a few album reviews and artist interviews, and I've had personal experience with the politics of music criticism. If you want to write off my thoughts as the ravings of a jaded ex-critic, feel free.

    Music critics suck. The problem is epitomized by the title, "music critic." I never referred to myself as a critic -- always a "jazz journalist." The difference? Information, as opposed to entertainment.

    Music critics labor under the ignorant misperception that their job is to entertain. They confuse themselves with musicians -- often because they are in fact failed musicians. Their job isn't to entertain you. Their job is (or should be) to provide information about entertainment. When you finish reading an album review, you shouldn't say, "Wow, what a great read." You should say, "I learned something, and feel better informed to decide whether I might like this CD."

    The following is a recent restaurant review from a Nashua, New Hampshire newspaper. I emailed it to a few friends last week, because it's a perfect example of something I've long bitched about:

    Michael Timothy's, 212 Main St., Nashua; 595-9334. This is it, the Nashua restaurant where more people have eaten the best meal of their lives than any other. Chef/owners Michael and Sarah Buckley continue to pack them in for some of the finest food and service anywhere in southern New Hampshire. If you can't find a parking space on Main Street, this is the main reason why.
    Please list the pertinent facts you've learned from this article, which will inform your decision whether to eat at Michael Timothy's. What kind of food do they serve? Is it expensive? Are dungarees appropriate, or should I wear a tie?

    Aside from (1) bad writing, and (2) "critics" who simply ignore the tenets of journalism, the third problem with music criticism is editorial pressure. (The pressure begins with record labels and publicists, of course -- but the writers usually feel this indirectly, via their editors.)

    I won't bore you with details, but I've got a million versions of the same story: Instead of writing about a new album that was terrific, featuring a new musician most readers didn't know, I was ordered to write about something my editor assigned -- which was inevitably a major-label release by an artists our readers already knew. "The other magazine will surely review this major-label release," I was told, "so we have to write about it, too!!" We never had room to educate our readers, but we always had ample space to compete with other publications and to fulfill publicists' requests.

    Music criticism isn't treated like journalism. It's treated as publicity by editors, and as entertainment by writers. It's sad, shameful, and ultimately worthless. It's not a far throw from Hollywood journalism, where nary a story is printed without being cleared by numerous agents. On the rare occasions a bad review is printed, it's by design: An editor wants something witty, and he wants something controversial. If he thinks he can avoid pissing off a label, he knows nothing sells magazines like readers buzzing, "Hey, did you read the scathing review in the new issue?!?"

    Frankly the most valuable music reviews you'll find nowadays are the customer reviews on Amazon. And that's saying something.

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  31. Silly Person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Pop music isn't sold on the basis of how good it is, it's sold on the basis of how effectively it's marketed.

    Better to spend your time analysing the ways in which millions of people are convinced that the latest trashy teen queen singing her little heart out about how in love she is could possibly be worth buying.

    (Long Dark Teatime of the Soul tells us how, too!)

  32. Indie Snob Stock Market by Farley+Mullet · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Many of the reviewers there have vastly different opinions of many artists, and many have the typical indie rock prick mindset of "the more obscure it is the better". And the 10 point and single decimal scale has always irked me. What the fuck is the difference between a 6.7 album and a 7.3 album?

    Y'know, Pitchformula is a much more fitting name for Pitchfork. I find that pitchfork reviews aren't so good for any sort of consumer guidance or artistic criticism, but at least give a snapshot of whatever the consenus indie-rock orthodoxy is at the moment. And the oh-so-precious two significant digit ratings serve as a sort of indie-rock orthodoxy stock report.

    For example, let's look at Wilco's last few records: Being There, a "a spinoff of a successful band" that with a score of 6.8, "[h]as its moments, but isn't strong"; Summerteeth, which shot right up to a 9.4 (ratings key: "Amazing"), the review getting bonus points for using the innane phrase "Elvis Costello-by-way-of-Phil Spector", and not mentioning already emerging record-label problems (although I can't help but think that those probably nudged the score up a bit); and then we get the much-ballyhooed Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, with record-label troubles so severe that they couldn't go unmentioned in the review, and a perhaps not-uncoincidental 10.0 (ratings key: "Essential") rating. There's no review for A Ghost Is Born yet (although those with up-to-date versions of QuickTime can have a listen at that last link), but past market performance suggests that although the review will be good, you probably should have sold at Yankee Hotel Foxtrot's 10.0.

  33. I could have saved this guy a ton of work by humankind · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The formula for "successful" pop music is pretty simple:

    a) Whatever crappy song Clear Channel puts in heavy rotation to foist upon their radio-listening hostages

  34. Re:flavor of the day by Wordsmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A decent critic doesn't simply echo popular sentiment - that's what billboard charts are for. But a decent critic can take changing social views and trends into account when writing a review, and talk about why an artist is relevant or how they play into the larger musical scene.

    Good criticism isn't a knee-jerk decision about what's good and what's bad - relatively subjective judgements. It's more about having a dialouge with the art, and judging it on its own merits.

    A good reviewer should have been able to talk about Smells Like Teen Spirit as it worked against a popular backdrop of early 90s manufactured pop (think the new kids on the block), and should also have been able to talk about how it works artistically in a cultural vacuum.

  35. orwell's songwriting machine is born. by Essron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    at least the author understands her obsession for popular music reviews is unhealthy. i must applaud the methods and approach used...but the goal makes me uneasy.

    i think the concept of this analysis is only useful to monitor the homoginization of creativity. perhaps remotely notable for product marketing purposes, if tied to sales data. the idea suggests an elevated status for critics while cheapening both artists and the most victimized segments of music consumers.

    sure, one can have a statistical analysis of what makes certain critics write approvingly. but the question is what is that worth? i think less than nothing. net negative for culture, but perhaps an advance for the ruin of beautiful experiments.

    orwell's songwriting machine is born.

  36. Simple. by corian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the music is crap, but the critic likes it, the critic is crap.

    Later, rinse, repeat.

  37. "So you want to be a rock and roll star?" by Zhe+Mappel · · Score: 2, Interesting
    As with the recent grad student project analyzing New Yorker stories, seeing the hard instruments of science pressed into the soft belly of the arts yields up a kind of biology class dissection thrill. Having suffered through enough prolix rock crit, who doesn't want to see the critic's thorax? ;-)

    Wilson quantifies, in detail, the patterns that emerge in some rock crit. But it wasn't ever mysterious, was it? The critics are doing what artists and musicians do, which is copy each other. The arts look to the arts. And they xerox endlessly. Yeats wrote, "Nor is there singing school but studying / Monuments of its own magnificence." The Byrds boiled it down to this: "Just get an electric guitar / Then take some time and learn / How to play." We wouldn't remember the Byrds at all today if they hadn't done such nice Dylan covers. . .

    The spooky good thing about Wilson is that he's a musician, too. After all his earnest left-brain crunching I was prepared to hoot at his two prefab songs, and in truth, I did snort at the chorus in "I'm Already Dead," which whines: "I'm already dead / I'm blind and deaf." (And the rigor mortis is a complete bitch!) But his "Kissing God" isn't bad. Musically it may lean hard on the critics-pleasing tricks, exactly as he set out to do. But as a mildly original rearrangement of others' techniques, it's pleasing, and that's the bottom line. Lyrically, I rather liked his phrase "I'm kissing God and losing you"--it's a tasty bit of the profane, like something Prince might have dreamed up in one of his weird Jesus-meets-Larry Flynt fits. And the spastic drumming, well, that's a plus, too. :-)

  38. Parody Site by trippcook · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but SomethingAwful did a pretty dead-on parody of Pitchfork a few months ago. It should, indoubtedly, be checked out.