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Rio Rancho, New Mexico: 103 Square Miles of WiFi

An anonymous reader submits "Rio Rancho, New Mexico is going to have 103 square miles of wifi coverage thanks to Intel & Usurf. The Albuquerque International Airport also has free wifi available. (By the way, Rio Rancho also has one of the largest chip factories in the world. Owned by Intel of course.)" The airport service will be free, but though the site is coy about pricing, users will need to sign up (and pay) for the Rio Rancho mesh network. Update: 06/20 03:56 GMT by T : Rio Rancho, not Rio Ranch. Mea culpa.

154 comments

  1. I should care because ____ ? by Fjornir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can someone fill in the blank? I mean mad props to the engineers on the project, but... ?

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    1. Re:I should care because ____ ? by DarkMantle · · Score: 1

      As you mentioned, it's a huge step forward in WiFi technology. If some place 51.5 miles away does the same thing.... and that trend continues we could see a wireless north america in a few years.

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    2. Re:I should care because ____ ? by ic0n0 · · Score: 1

      103 sq miles? Thats nice but's it's new mexico, now if it was New York City that might be useful.

    3. Re:I should care because ____ ? by Castaa · · Score: 1

      Nice idea but someone has to pay for all that bandwidth. Especially as WiFi gets faster and faster.

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    4. Re:I should care because ____ ? by Fearless+Freep · · Score: 2, Informative

      Rio Rancho borders Albququerque (my home) and that's about 1M people in the area

    5. Re:I should care because ____ ? by Fjornir · · Score: 1
      I think you missed my point.

      One: I never said anything about a huge step forward. This isn't. This is the same old thing done again.

      Two: This isn't a trend towards full wireless North America. This is a bunch of big hotspots with wired back-channel.

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    6. Re:I should care because ____ ? by maelstrom · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      w00t albuquerque in da hizhouse

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    7. Re:I should care because ____ ? by challahc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Seems like the cost of bandwidth would be trivial. If it is actually possible to stop using land lines all together, then the majority of the costs would be associated with maintaining WiFi equipment. You wouldn't be paying an ISP to make sure that you are connected, it's your responsibility.

      Of course, this would be in a utopian WiFi world.

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    8. Re:I should care because ____ ? by diersing · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Geez, if it doesn't happen in New York it just doesn't happen does it?

      You know how the rest of the world views America?, that is how the rest of America views New York.

    9. Re:I should care because ____ ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New York has cowboys?

    10. Re:I should care because ____ ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America views New Yorkers as obese loadmouthed retarded wannabee gunslingers?

    11. Re:I should care because ____ ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Note, 103 square miles (10x10, roughly), not a 51.5 mile radius ;-)

  2. The Hunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Awww... this'll take all the fun out of the hunt!

  3. Wow, now the aliens will be impressed by thepeete · · Score: 4, Funny

    They'll be able to download music right from area 51.

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    1. Re:Wow, now the aliens will be impressed by k31bang · · Score: 1

      wrong desert wasteland ;-)

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    2. Re:Wow, now the aliens will be impressed by warkda+rrior · · Score: 1

      Now they renamed Area 51 to Area 802.11 .

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    3. Re:Wow, now the aliens will be impressed by Dun+Malg · · Score: 0
      They'll be able to download music right from area 51.

      Whatever you say, sport. Area 51 is over 700 miles away from Albuquerque.

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    4. Re:Wow, now the aliens will be impressed by number · · Score: 1
      As far as Windows users are concerned, bzip2 is a form of encryption.

      Nice trolling, but *nix has finally gotten a port of 7-zip after all this time, despite it being GPL'ed since its inception and compressing far, far better than bzip2 in every conceivable test.

      The question is, why should windows users care about bzip2 when superior formats have been available?

  4. keeping the scum out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On large wireless projects like this, how do you keep the scum of the earth from using it to their advantage? Can a pedaphile buy a cheap wireless card log on for awhile and get his pictures and then just throw out the card when done. Will we have to one day register our mac address's?

    1. Re:keeping the scum out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You mean, people could flood slashdot from there???

    2. Re:keeping the scum out by spacefrog · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You forget just how easy it is to clone/fake a mac address.

      That is not too hard, even for idiotic scum who are trying to cover their tracks.

      Just wait until they start figuring out how (with subpeonas) to cross reference the mac address to the distributor it was sold to, and then cross-reference that against the serial number on your receipt.

      You do buy all of your ethernet/wifi cards with cash, don't you?

      Just wait until it is YOUR mac address they have cloned. The Melinda virus escapade a few years ago shows that a mac address is sufficient for a search warrant.

    3. Re:keeping the scum out by X86Daddy · · Score: 3, Informative

      The scum of the earth will use every piece of open infrastructure that exists in the world. This is no different.

      Bank robbers walk right into banks without being somehow stopped at the door. Muggers walk along the sidewalk without somehow being prevented from doing so.

      Why? Because to implement safeguards that "stop" the scum require a level of inconvenient intrusions into the 9x% "good" people's privacy and efficiency.

      Further, pedophiles getting pictures is the last thing to worry about on that topic... I think the authorities would worry more about pedophiles uploading pictures via an anonymous connection... and the evil deeds done to make the pictures. Which is something they currently have to deal with anyway on the Internet at large... one more anonymous entry point doesn't really change the picture... and in fact, helps the situation. Picture this scenario:

      FBI pinpoints the initial upload of some child porn to an anonymous connection at AP xyz on an open wifi network. They have a date-time value and a physical location! The sense of anonymity aforded by open APs can also be a foil, as the authorities proceed to request local surveilance footage from any cams in that area. It turns out being less anonymous than whatever obfuscation methods pedo posters use now. This is a good thing.

  5. nanotechnologist by joeldg · · Score: 1, Funny

    I am a nanotechnologist this means nothing to me.

    1. Re:nanotechnologist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact, it means SO LITTLE to you that you felt the need to inform the world of how little it meant...or to inform the world that you're a nanotechnologist :)

      Will it help if I make the impressed "oooooh" sound? Let's try shall we?

      "Ooooooooooh"

    2. Re:nanotechnologist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it was a joke, dipshit.

  6. WHY IN NEW MEXICO!!?? by carrett · · Score: 0

    and not near my house?

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    1. Re:WHY IN NEW MEXICO!!?? by Fearless+Freep · · Score: 1

      he he he..

      for some of us..it is near our house...

    2. Re:WHY IN NEW MEXICO!!?? by symbolset · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If you want one of these near your house,

      build it!

      Nobody is stopping you from getting your broadband enabled neigbors together and aggregating your bandwidth.

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    3. Re:WHY IN NEW MEXICO!!?? by Wilde_Karrde · · Score: 1

      It's an amazing thing to see your hometown on Slashdot. I can believe that Intel is behind all this, after all they were behind the new High School being built(tax breaks). heh heh, indeed

    4. Re:WHY IN NEW MEXICO!!?? by k31bang · · Score: 1

      because the Intel fab is right in the coverage area. Get your own Intel fab, get your own wifi. Easy. Really.

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    5. Re:WHY IN NEW MEXICO!!?? by GFLPraxis · · Score: 1

      It is, isn't it? I found it awesome when I saw Spokane up there.

    6. Re:WHY IN NEW MEXICO!!?? by CoolQ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Uhh, think again. Ever read the Terms of Service you agreed to? Unless you and your neighbors are all lucky enough to have one of the few providers that allows bandwidth sharing, you'll soon see huge fines or just termination of your service if you setup a wireless network.
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    7. Re:WHY IN NEW MEXICO!!?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What new high school?

    8. Re:Why in New Mexico!!?? by symbolset · · Score: 1
      This is a dead thread, but I'll answer anyway.

      This is going to happen. Your "can't do" attitude indicates you're not going to be the one to do it. That is all.

      The commodity hardware is available. The software is available. It has been done before.

      This might not be true in your area, but there are enough wide-open broadband + 802.11g access points in my area to anchor a freewan mesh of any size without even paying for internet access at all. Please note that many people (myself included) run their access points wide open deliberately.

      Investment cost to host a freewan cell (802.11g) is about $100 upfront and $0 for ongoing costs. To anchor it to an ISP with acceptable TOS (or one that's known to turn a blind eye) is a minimal monthly many of us are already paying. Contrast that with the corpnet million dollar towers and the municipal $50 million dollar 802.11b networks and you begin to understand why the little guy has the advantage here.

      When the mesh grows to the point where it's got consumers in the six figures, you can bet somebody is going to want to connect to it badly enough to pay the freight, and then the monthlies go away.

      Apart from a solid municipal commitment to fiber-to-the-door, (and perhaps even then because of the side benefits) I don't see this not happening all over the country in the near future.

      Of course, YMMV.

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    9. Re:WHY IN NEW MEXICO!!?? by Krach42 · · Score: 1

      Rio Rancho High School was built in large part through help from Intel. At one point they were not going to do it, but then the city reminded them that it could at any time annex the property that they're on, and then they'd be subject to property tax, and other taxes having to do with water. (They use a lot of it, so I hear)

      RRHS being first open during the school year 1998 (I just barely missed going there) it is current the "new high school" if you're in Rio Rancho.

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    10. Re:WHY IN NEW MEXICO!!?? by Krach42 · · Score: 1

      Hehe, exactly.

      To point, I can see the Intel buildings from my house... so my parents will definately be in the coverage area.

      Actually, our house is about 20 years old, and is in one of the oldest neighborhoods in RR; if not the oldest.

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  7. If it can happen in Rio Rancho... by anakin357 · · Score: 1

    To be honest I've never never heard of RR, and of all places it is in New Mexico, which is THE king of all states for lack of radio stations while driving on the highway... just think, maybe your or my city is next.

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    1. Re:If it can happen in Rio Rancho... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Rio Rancho is basically the technical arm of Albuquerque. It's a quasi-suburb that's outgrowing Albuquerque itself, and everyone is moving out there. It's also threatening to totally surround Bernalillo.

      Yea, the radio stations out here can suck. But you get one hell of an uninterrupted drive. Half the highways are empty, and you can feel totally alone and just cruise. Combine that with warm summer nights, and it's amazing.

    2. Re:If it can happen in Rio Rancho... by Fearless+Freep · · Score: 1

      It's a quasi-suburb that's outgrowing Albuquerque itself, and everyone is moving out there. It's also threatening to totally surround Bernalillo.

      So when is the west side gonna seceede?

      Half the highways are empty, and you can feel totally alone and just cruise

      At high speed

      Combine that with warm summer nights, and it's amazing.

      Beautiful place to be

    3. Re:If it can happen in Rio Rancho... by pavon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You beat me to it :P

      Anyway, about that warm summer nights thing. The only place I have lived in New Mexico that stays warm at night is Albuquerque, because all the concrete absorbs the heat all day and then releases it all night. Most everywhere else is wonderfull at night. That is actually one of my favorite things about the desert climate - no matter how hot it gets during the day it still cools down at night due to having no humidity. I can't stand being out in the East or down the South during the summer, where it is hot and muggy all day and then warm and muggy all night.

    4. Re:If it can happen in Rio Rancho... by jimhill · · Score: 1

      Thank you for your interest in relocating to New Mexico. Unfortunately, we are not accepting applications for residency at this time. We will keep your resume on file for the next six months and will contact you if a dwelling becomes available.

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    5. Re:If it can happen in Rio Rancho... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So when is the west side gonna seceede?

      As soon as you fuckers are willing to pay your own way, pave your own roads, have your own schools and get your own set of corrupt, bought, politicians...

    6. Re:If it can happen in Rio Rancho... by geeber · · Score: 1

      It's easy to find Rio Rancho - just take that left turn at Albuquerque.

      Eh, what's up doc?

    7. Re:If it can happen in Rio Rancho... by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      spoken like a man who has never driven through Wyoming.

    8. Re:If it can happen in Rio Rancho... by Krach42 · · Score: 1

      I *HATE* freezing at night. :(

      I'm at my friends house where they don't have any cooling during the day, and it gets hotter than an oven in here. Then in the middle of the night it drops down to the point where I'm sitting here SHIVERING....

      I can't stand the extremes of New Mexico weather, but then, that's why I've been trying to get out. :)

      Las Cruces is actually pretty good for warm summer nights, and warm winter days. In summer it never really cools down enough at night to make it freezing, and in the winter, you'll freeze on your way to work in the morning, but you'll have to take off your sweater at mid-day.

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  8. Thanks Intel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The whole of Albuquerque is moving that direction. Solely due to Intel. People who live all the way across town are moving there for the cheap house prices. Props to them for building and supporting a community. They're spurring a lot of good development in Albuquerque.

    I would shudder to think of what would happen to that whole area if Intel shut shop.

    1. Re:Thanks Intel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear ya. They're getting a ton of development. I live in a well-developed community in the city, and I can't get DSL. Was just about to get Cable internet recently.

      There are some parts of Rio Rancho that are this small community literally 5 miles from the nearest community and 15 miles from real civilization, and they've had DSL since day 1. Lots of people are seriously committed to developing that area for the Intel crowd. Only makes sense I guess, Intel employs a lot of people in high paying positions.

    2. Re:Thanks Intel! by Nitzer_Slacker · · Score: 1

      Word to Albuquerque! Alot of people don't realize how technological New Mexico is :) Sandia National Labs > *

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    3. Re:Thanks Intel! by mikej · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There would be substantially less water being consumed by the FAB? Not that Albuquerque is sitting in the middle of the desert, quietly draining the aquifer, happily skipping toward a future where every drop has to be shipped in from the other side of the Sandias. Truly, I can't think of a better place to have built an industrial complex as thirsty as a semiconductor FAB. Oh, wait, I just did - Anywhere. It was a stupid, shortsighted decision to put the FAB in to begin with, and now that its economically critical it will just continue to sit there and suck the only resource of consequence - water. Because honestly, who cares if the Rio Grande is so dry that you can walk across it? Housing sure is cheap out in RR!

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    4. Re:Thanks Intel! by Nitzer_Slacker · · Score: 1

      We're shipping our water to Texas.

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  9. No Wifi for me! by ic0n0 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now the cacti will have wifi and I still don't, this is a huge step for mankind

  10. New Mexico? by cosyne · · Score: 2, Funny

    They have the Internet in New Mexico?

    1. Re:New Mexico? by Fearless+Freep · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I think your sig explains your question

    2. Re:New Mexico? by Letylyf · · Score: 1

      Why yes we do, it's where I'm reading your comment from right now. This is really cool, unfortunately I don't live in Rio Rancho but Albuquerque... oh well, now I'll have to make up an excuse to go to the airport. Sweet.

    3. Re:New Mexico? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I come from New Mexico, and you'd be amazed at how fast road-runners can move those bits around.

    4. Re:New Mexico? by lavaface · · Score: 1

      there's a new mexico ???? /simpsons

    5. Re:New Mexico? by theflea · · Score: 1

      The Simpsons reference that came to my mind was "Rancho Relaxo" where Marge went to recouperate from an injury. I beleive Troy McLure did the video introduction. Now the video will be transmitted over wifi.

      I really need to stop looking for a Simpsons hook in every thought that crosses through my mind.

  11. Some perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here's some data for comparison:
    • San Francisco: 47 square miles
    • Boston: 48 square miles
    • Washington DC: 68 square miles
    • Rio Rancho: 103 square miles
    1. Re:Some perspective by RLiegh · · Score: 1

      Area 51: ??? square miles

    2. Re:Some perspective by 7Ghent · · Score: 2, Informative

      Albuquerque/Rio Rancho is not densely populated, but the metro area is HUGE.

    3. Re:Some perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Juneau, Alaska: 2,716 square miles.

      Room for 27 Rio Ranchos.

      Bring on the Wi-Fi!

    4. Re:Some perspective by Alternate+Interior · · Score: 2, Informative

      Eh Almost all of Rio Rancho is desert. Literally, well over half of it is void. There's practically nothing east of Unser. As for all of you wondering how this will be secured, I worked at one of the local ISPs until April. There wasn't a solution as of when I left.

    5. Re:Some perspective by Alternate+Interior · · Score: 1

      And by east, I mean west. My directional skills are t3h l33t.

  12. Balloon Fiesta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    During the 2004 Balloon fiesta you can bet people will be using their laptops in mid air.

    1. Re:Balloon Fiesta by Fearless+Freep · · Score: 1

      Wow!

      I had *not* thought of that.

      Imagine a live webcam from up in a balloon!

    2. Re:Balloon Fiesta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that in Albuquerque?

    3. Re:Balloon Fiesta by cwm9 · · Score: 1

      Proper, yes, but you know, Rio Rancho isn't that far from Albuquerque, and hot air balloons, being what they are, tend to drift a little. ;-)

  13. Why? by Harrison819 · · Score: 1

    Couldn't this be placed in a more, you know, useful location? I hate to offend the New Mexicanites but why is this not in San Diego where I live?

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    1. Re:Why? by Fearless+Freep · · Score: 1

      Cause then it wouldn't be, you know, useful..to me

    2. Re:Why? by ghack · · Score: 1

      Couldn't this be placed in a more, you know, useful location? I hate to offend the New Mexicanites but why is this not in San Diego where I live?

      The albuquerque-Santa Fe metro area not only has two national laboratories Sandia and LANL, but it has a huge INTEL factory in Rio Rancho.

      New Mexico also has, despite being named The dumbest state in the US(I dislike harvard...almost as much as I dislike MIT...) New Mexico has the highest concentration of Ph.D.'s in the United States today.

      Get real...New Mexico is WAYYYY more relevant than San Diego...besides the Chargers and Aztecs both suck.

      Van los lobos, baten a aztecas!

      BTW it is New Mexicans, NOT New Mexicanites

  14. Re:Warcowpunching... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  15. Hum... by ic0n0 · · Score: 0

    So they have the internet on computers now?

  16. Mesh network?!? by strredwolf · · Score: 1

    Okay, I have the ideas of a mesh (aka net-through-clients) network, just... how does the WiFi cards do it?!? Or do we have to have the software impliment the mesh?

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  17. Hi, Mods! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the parent was being funny. (you know... "cowpuncher" being another slang term for cowboy, ranch hand, etc.) :)

    Now, if s/he had said "wardonkeypunching"... :::shudder:::

  18. Spokane and now New Mexico ? by CatGrep · · Score: 0, Troll

    A couple of days ago there was a ./ story that mentioned that Spokane was going to have WiFi all over town and now a Rio Ranch, New Mexico - what gives? Why do these rather out-of-the-way places get this sort of wonderful setup before many larger, more hi-tech communities? What's the deal?

    Do they just want to try this sort of thing out first in small communities before they move on to larger ones?

    1. Re:Spokane and now New Mexico ? by robert899 · · Score: 0

      Not out-of-the-way for the 75,000 who live there.

    2. Re:Spokane and now New Mexico ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a Latin phrase that expresses viability of WiFi bandwidth availability over a large geographic area... I think it's "per capita".

      New York is not going to be able to use the exact same install that RR, NM can.

    3. Re:Spokane and now New Mexico ? by mattkinabrewmindspri · · Score: 1

      The Albuquerque/Rio Rancho area has about a million people, and Intel has a nice big fab in Rio Rancho. This isn't exactly the middle of nowhere.

    4. Re:Spokane and now New Mexico ? by Fahrenheit+450 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, after all, Albuquerque/Rio Rancho is only home to an Intel plant, a Honeywell plant, Sandia National Laboratories, The Air Force Research Laboratory (aka Phillips Labs), EMCORE West, Eclipse Aviation, and an assload of other "high-tech" operations that I can't think of offhand. And of course it was the original home of Microsoft... So why would a backwater town like that get something like this?

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    5. Re:Spokane and now New Mexico ? by ghack · · Score: 1

      Of course...the albuquerque metro area also has its downfalls, such as being ranked the 8th overall most dangerous metro area in the United State http://www.morganquitno.com/cit04pop.htm#METRO

    6. Re:Spokane and now New Mexico ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vivato (Wi-Fi equipment maker) has their R&D dept. in Spokane - that's why spokane is wired up....

  19. Re:SLASHDOT SATURDAY NIGHT! by Psychor · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    That's right... leave the Linux administration textbooks at home, because everyone knows the ladies only go for FreeBSD admins!

  20. Some more perspective by sjalex · · Score: 1

    Houston: 617 Square miles in city limits, greater Houston metro area: 8778 square miles

    On a different note, I don't think most people have ever heard of Rio Rancho.

    Also is this a picture of a panel antenna?

    1. Re:Some more perspective by Fjornir · · Score: 1
      Also is this a picture of a panel antenna?

      No. That's a children's climbing toy at one of the parks in the area of service.

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  21. Hey, what about the Portland Metro area? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Intel wants to create such large free wifi areas, they should consider the entire Portland Metro Area!!
    I mean they have over five campuses in the Metro area........ :-(

  22. More Than the Technology by wyngarth · · Score: 1

    Don't underestimate the significance of all this. Consider the impact on the cellular industry if WiFi providers can compete at the metropolitan level. If 3G was in trouble before...

  23. Dateline: June 19, 2050 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    Rio Rancho, NM - Scientists are still debating whether the highest incidence of cancer in the country is the result of what cancer experts are calling "a dubious flirtation" with WiFi which began in the early part of the century. Studies indicate that there is no connection between the the widespread use of WiFi technology and a variety of cancers, including brain cancer.

    Health professionals point out that all of the studies have been paid for by the WiFi Industry. "They used to say that there was no connection between lung cancer and smoking." Dr. Lucas Steiner an world renouned cancer expert said, "Its the same with WiFi."

    "This could be mean billions in settlements," noted Ben Scheisster, president of the Ambulance Chasers of America, formerly the American Bar Association. "For out clients, of course."

    "There is absolutely no connection between the wide spread incidence of cancer in high WiFi concentration areas across the country," insisted Jacob Wieselheimer of the WiFi Internet Providers Council. "All of the studies that we funded prove this, and the government agrees."

    "Of course the government agrees," said Dr. James Goodfellow. "The President of the United States is a Republican. There is a reason that their party's motto is Corruptus in Extremus which they filtched from The Simpsons the longest running cartoon in history."

    .... [and so it goes ... ]

    1. Re:Dateline: June 19, 2050 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the Republican/Democratic party was the longest running cartoon in history....

  24. Dear Intel, by Colonel+Panic · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Dear Intel,

    You've got a lot more employees in Oregon than in New Mexico, when can we expect to see something like this in Hillsboro/Aloha/Beaverton?

    Pretty soon please...

    1. Re:Dear Intel, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ironically, there is also a Hillsboro is New Mexico

    2. Re:Dear Intel, by Krach42 · · Score: 1

      They may have more employees in Oregon, but there's a higher CONCENTRATION of Intel employees in Rio Rancho.

      Plus, they half own the town. They help built a High School here, and I don't imagine you'd be saying something like "Hey, Intel, you have more employees here, build us one."

      Because RR basicly used extortion tactics to build the High School, half threatening to yank a lot of the special priviledges that Intel enjoys here.

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  25. Rio Rancho by jmorzins · · Score: 4, Informative

    For pete's sake, timothy, it's "Rio Rancho", not "Rio Ranch". The submitter spelled it correctly twice, and you didn't double-check before "correcting" it for the title?

  26. Rio Rancho not Rio Ranch by woo2the2 · · Score: 2, Insightful


    The airport has had free WiFi for some time now, although you get what you pay for. My average time connected before getting dropped is about 2 minutes.

    And as far as why NM goes....it's really not *that* surprising for those that know the area as Intel and Sprint are the two largest employers in the area. I'm sure they had a hand in encouraging it....

    1. Re:Rio Rancho not Rio Ranch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, Intel is the number six employer in the area and Sprint isn't even in the top ten. The top ten are:

      1. Albuquerque Public Schools Corporation
      2. Sandia National Labs
      3. Kirtland Air Force Base (military)
      4. University of New Mexico
      5. City of Albuquerque
      6. Intel
      7. Kirtland Air Force Base (civilian)
      8. Presbyterian Healthcare Services
      9. University of New Mexico Medical Center
      10. Lovelace Medical Center

      Although these include both Albuquerque and Rio Rancho, most people in Rio Rancho still work in Albuquerque.

  27. Wait wait wait... by Cyno01 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Theres a New Mexico now?

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    1. Re:Wait wait wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has been for a couple hundred years now.

    2. Re:Wait wait wait... by KDLynch · · Score: 1

      But do I need a passport to get out of NM? >>grinning from the deserts of southern NM don't take the 'Simpson's' quotes too seriously. Have to expect them when any news of NM hits. Just like "I'd like to welcome our NM WiFi Overlords." hehe. KDLynch

    3. Re:Wait wait wait... by sniepre · · Score: 1

      http://www.nmmagazine.com/FEATURES/50missing.html

      This is a very common issue, and in fact, our New Mexico magazine has a back cover feature dedicated to people disregarding this state as a legitimate part of the U.S.

      And, about the headline, it isn't Rio Ranch. There is always the 'o' at the end and it is a suburb of Albuquerque, not it's own city, (governmentally some seporation but you can't help but drive in and out and through it as part of Albuquerque.. kinda like chula vista, spring valley, del mar, oceanside etc in San Diego, .. Different "Cities" but all the same "City"

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    4. Re:Wait wait wait... by kpaul · · Score: 1

      I believe this is a "Simpson's" reference.

      On the other hand, Rio Rancho is, like, 20 miles from me. Guess I'll have to schlep the old iBook out there and give it a spin.

    5. Re:Wait wait wait... by timeOday · · Score: 1
      This is a very common issue, and in fact, our New Mexico magazine has a back cover feature dedicated to people disregarding this state as a legitimate part of the U.S.
      Well to be fair, a good chunk of New Mexico is allocated to various more-or-less sovereign 'nations.'
    6. Re:Wait wait wait... by sniepre · · Score: 1

      "There are approximately 275 Indian land areas in the U.S. administered as Indian reservations (reservations, pueblos, rancherias, communities, etc.). The largest is the Navajo Reservation of some 16 million acres of land in Arizona, New Mexico, and Utah. Many of the smaller reservations are less than 1,000 acres with the smallest less than 100 acres. On each reservation, the local governing authority is the tribal government."

      Source= http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0192524.html

      People know of Arizona and Utah. The problem I think is more that A) many Americans do not really study geography too well, and B) "New Mexico" sounds an awful lot like "Mexico" if you are not paying close attention, and that is the most common symptom.

      I get people all the time who when I tell where I live, act shocked "You are in Mexico??" ORRR "That is in Arizona, right?"

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    7. Re:Wait wait wait... by RoofusPennymore · · Score: 1

      No, Rio Rancho is it's own city, with it's own government and everything. I only lived there for 4 years.

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    8. Re:Wait wait wait... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      %2C+NM&country=us&tcsz=rachel%2C+nv&tcountry=us&te rr=3005">

      Yeah, it's pretty sad when you have to put "New Mexico - USA" on the license plates because otherwise yokel state troopers in other states would pull you over and demand to see a green card.

      "No officer, I'm not lying to you. New Mexico is a STATE "Git outta tha car, boy. I'm gonna hafta call this in."

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    9. Re:Wait wait wait... by sniepre · · Score: 1

      I just remember the talk radio stations all going crazy like 6 months ago about the road funding and Rio Rancho wanting to get more funding and the east half not voting for it or something like that, and then Rio Rancho was all threatening to seporate from Albuquerque and become it's own city, apparantly there are still *some* governmental ties between the halves. I just assumed that since everywhere I went I kept hearing people's opinions about RR/ABQ splitting into two different cities I incinuated that RR was just a subdivision-type title.

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    10. Re:Wait wait wait... by Fearless+Freep · · Score: 1

      Ironically, at a Mexican restaurant in Des Moines, Iowa, my Mexican waiter who had only been in the US for 4 years thought New Mexicon was part of Mexico, also

    11. Re:Wait wait wait... by RoofusPennymore · · Score: 1

      They were talking about the west side of albuquerque which is basically separated from the east side of albuquerque by the rio grand. Most of the city growth is on the west side yet most of the city government resides on the east side. Rio Rancho is on the north north-west side of Albuquerque.

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    12. Re:Wait wait wait... by Krach42 · · Score: 1

      Green Cards are for Resident Aliens.

      And _YES_ people have been asked for their passports when the law officer found out that they were from New Mexico.

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    13. Re:Wait wait wait... by Krach42 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that Rio Rancho and Albuquerque are in different COUNTIES. This means that, very much like Kansas City, is in Missouri and Kansas, and is "one city" it actually is two cities in entirely every legal meaning of the word.

      You just can't have a city span across two counties, because then different parts of it would be subject to different county laws.

      To a point, stupid Golf Course road. Rio Rancho updated the road up to where it reaches Albuquerque, I think 2 years ago, and just NOW Albuquerque is working to connect it. And don't even get me started with Unser.... *grrr...*

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  28. "I see your WiFi is as big as mine." by crashnbur · · Score: 1

    With the recent slew of stories about new WiFi hotspots, it looks like it's becoming a pissing contest among the Slashdot faithful to find the next biggest hotspot and report it to millions of readers who won't be going there anyway.

  29. That number is decieving... by GFLPraxis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's see, 103 square miles.

    WiFi would be spherical, or since we're using SQUARE miles, we'll just pretend it's 2D and use Circular.

    The equation for the area of a circle is PiR^2 = A where A is Area. The Area is 103 miles, so PiR^2 = 103.

    The square root of (103 divided by Pi) = 5.49, approximately.

    So this "103 square mile" network is 5.5 miles radius. Not bad, though the number 103 miles makes it look bigger than it is.

    1. Re:That number is decieving... by k31bang · · Score: 1

      ``All calculations based on our experiences elsewhere fail in New Mexico.'' -Lew Wallace

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    2. Re:That number is decieving... by ghamerly · · Score: 1

      Easier calculation: 103 square miles is about 10 miles * 10 miles, which concurs with your 5-mile radius.

  30. That subject could have been funnier... by crashnbur · · Score: 1

    ...if only I were smart enough to say, "I see your hotspot is as big as mine."

    Alas. Hindsight is 20/20.

  31. Yeah, Thanks Intel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I would shudder to think of what would happen to that whole area if Intel shut shop."

    The air might be breatheable again? Ask anyone down wind of their facilities. Hell just drive by, the smell is so noxious. I just love how they dance around the EPA too. Thanks a lot, Intel.

  32. real rathole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My father likes to call Rio Rancho real rathole. And honestly it fits. Since they widened 528, the traffic has gotten a tad better, BUT atleast now i'll have somthing to do when i'm stuck in a traffic jam instead of staring boredly at the intel building.

  33. passports by k31bang · · Score: 1

    Actually most the book stores sell these cute little yellow New Mexico Passports. Unfortuantly I can't find a photo of one online.

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    1. Re:passports by telstar · · Score: 1
      "Actually most the book stores sell these cute little yellow New Mexico Passports. Unfortuantly I can't find a photo of one online."
      • I promise to keep holding my breath, if you promise to keep looking.

  34. Dude by Fearless+Freep · · Score: 1

    Chill. I live in the NE heights

  35. cacti (waaaaaaay OT) by k31bang · · Score: 1

    New Mexico seems to have lots of cacti. Perhaps you have not noticed all the cane cholla? Which also seems to have small amounts of Mescaline Maybe that will get you to notice them. (of course i doubt that there is any usable amount in them.)

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  36. Coffee is for closers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought Rio Rancho was a figment of Mamet's imagination.

  37. Re:cacti (waaaaaaay OT) by mattkinabrewmindspri · · Score: 0, Troll

    I've lived in Albuquerque(next to Rio Rancho) half my life, and the rest of New Mexico for most of the other half, and I've gone years without seeing a cactus.

  38. Usurf Ugh by rkohutek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I personally seriously doubt that this is ever going to happen. I've had relations with Usurf before and I have nothing positive to say about their management or their tech staff -- the vast majority of which is outsourced to other companies.

    Usurf was recently delisted from NASDAQ because they didn't meet the minimum listing requirements. Their stock was near worthless, and is now traded over the counter. Usurf is also currently in receivership to Pipeline Networks, a Colorado ISP they "purchased" and never paid for. There is a _long_ list of local Colorado Springs companies that have been burned by them.

    I like the grand aspirations, but I have serious doubts about their ability to produce.

    Receivership Link
    Recent (horrible) financials
    Bleak 10QSB filing

  39. actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back when I lived in Albuquerque, we called it "Rio Raunch-o". 103 square miles of tract homes, butted up against the West Mesa. It's like a little Phoenix out there.

    1. Re:actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have any butt-sex in those trailer-park shanties that are butted up against West Mesa?

  40. Re:cacti (waaaaaaay OT) by k31bang · · Score: 1

    I live about 10 minutes north of Bernalillo. I see fields of them many places in surrounding areas. They basicly grow like weeds in many places. Of course perhaps all the siberian Elms and Salt ceders are blocks the views of them. *shrug*

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  41. Some people... by Cyno01 · · Score: 1
    Jeez, lighten up, its a Simpsons reference, CABF04 - Homer vs. Dignity

    Smithers: Sir, I have a small personal request.
    Burns: Oh, of course, Smithers. Anything.
    [repeatedly pushes a button marked, "Trap Door"]
    Smithers: I disabled the button, sir. [Burns keeps pushing it] Anyway, I need some time off. As you know, I've been writing a musical about the Malibu Stacy doll--
    Burns: [gives up on the button] A show about a doll? [laughs] Why not write a musical about the common cat? Or the King of Siam? Give it up, Smithers.
    Smithers: Actually, sir, we're booked into a small theater in New Mexico.
    Burns: Whoa, slow down there, maestro. There's a *New* Mexico?

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  42. Re:Warcowpunching... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, this was an attempt at humor, something that seems lost here in the Slashdot wastelands. Sorry to upset the post-modern, neo-Gothic, nihilistic vibe in here. I'll go play with black mambas as penance.

  43. Spanish by mauthbaux · · Score: 1

    Rio Rancho, not Rio Ranch. Mea culpa.

    Kinda funny that they corrected the spelling with the name of the town yet utterly fail spanish spelling immediately afterwards. Spanish spellings should be easier since they're phoenetic. I'm assuming that it should be "Mi culpa"... a rough translation of the gutter-english phrase, "my bad."

    Then again, who am I to say anything about spelling or grammer when I have an error in my sig that I'm too lazy to correct?

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    1. Re:Spanish by servognome · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Mea Culpa is a commonly used latin phrase

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    2. Re:Spanish by ascetic · · Score: 1

      Uh, that's because it's Latin, not Spanish. And it's 'grammar', not 'grammer', though it looks like maybe you're trying to make some lame joke there. People in glass houses, buddy...!

  44. LATIN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try Latin. 'Common usage' is 'mea culpa', usually taken to mean 'my fault'. Def'n

  45. Umm by nfsilkey · · Score: 1

    Not trolling, but since when would this constitute 103 square miles? I read the headline and thought "Wow!" When looking for more information on the project, the most I can find regarding their actual coverage is as linked above. :/

    Oh well. C'est la vie.

    1. Re:Umm by Krach42 · · Score: 1

      BAH! %#ers! Of course they cover a good part of Intel, and the GOLF COURSE. Naturally, they cover in Phase I the richest people in the city.

      I mean, I live on 34th St, it's been there for 20 year (about the same age as the city itself), and we won't be covered by the Phase I. (For any who care, 34th St is down near the big circle of Phase I implementation, JUST outside of range) /me walks off ranting.

      Oh, and btw, if you were to drive the areas covered, I'm certain that it could come out to 103 sq. miles. Rio Rancho _IS_ freaking sprawled all over the place. I mean, the Golf Course comes up as a small little blob.

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  46. Once we get the new leads... by Pyrosophy · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...Rio Rancho is way oversold. Wait until they get the new Glengarry Wifi network. That old Rio Rancho stuff, it's just not moving like the new stuff is. Ya give me that new network and I'll tell ya it's going right out the door -- right out the door -- that's what I'm telling you!

    1. Re:Once we get the new leads... by kurosawdust · · Score: 1
      We're adding a little something to this month's karma contest - as you all know, first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado; anybody wanna see second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives...Third prize is you're modded down.

      Oh. Do I have your attention now?

  47. And I hear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the WiFi adaptors are manufactured in China.

    *EVERYONE*: China?

    *homely man*: Jew man, now bout yoos get the best seat in the house: on the tallest sappuro.

  48. Might irritate some... but yay anyway! by cwm9 · · Score: 1

    I live in Albuquerque, which is the big city that Rio Rancho lies on the outskirts of. ("I KNEW I should've taken that left turn at Albuquerque!")

    For years, trying to get high speed internet access in this city/state was like getting teeth pulled. While everyone else was first getting high speed internet access, we were left in the dark even though we had Kirtland Air Force Base, Sandia National Labs, the University of New Mexico, and Intel all in the same area. While everyone else was getting DSL, our local telephone company dragged their feet on the issue. (To this day, in the middle of Metro Albuquerque, I STILL couldn't get DSL at my home, even if I wanted to!) Several years went by with them promising us high speed internet access... but they were all empty promises.

    It wasn't until @Home brought us internet cable that we were finally able to join the high-speed era and get away from our 36K modems. (The networks were too noisy for 56K to work.)

    It makes me happy to know that New Mexico is finally on the leading edge of something involving internet access, but I imagine this will make QWest very unhappy in that city... I suspect many people won't bother to get DSL from them, but will instead opt for the new wireless option so they can take their laptops with them everywhere they go.

    Not that I care. Serves the phone company right.

    -Chiem

    1. Re:Might irritate some... but yay anyway! by supersloth · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. I live in Rio Rancho right now (and for the past 18 years) and I am still on dial-up. Now that this new network is launching I'm moving to the westside of Albuquerque five days later! What a waste.

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  49. Praise all technology by Texas+Consultant · · Score: 0

    ...especially the corporate sponsorship of otherwise obvious projects. Oh, this isn't a sarcastic message. Nope.

  50. just FYI by Savatte · · Score: 1

    Rio Rancho was the name of one of those properties the salesmen in Glengarry Glen Ross were selling to scam people out of their money.

    A always B be C Closing!

  51. how is this number deceiving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this post considered insightful?

    Are this many people so bad with numbers that they can't quickly guesstimate that 100 square miles is an area about 10 miles on a side?

    This number is deceiving like saying that my house is 1500 square feet is deceiving. What? How can it fit on a lot that is only 100 x 60?

    Using numbers correctly isn't deceiving to anyone who isn't already clueless.

  52. YAY! That's MY town! by ChaoticLimbs · · Score: 1

    I live in Rio Rancho and my house is inside the coverage area! WOO HOO!

  53. WiFi in Rio Rancho by roadrunner-wireless · · Score: 1

    Roadrunner Wireless Services,Inc is allready doing wireless intenet in Rio Rancho.We have used the ism bandwidth up serving our customers

  54. HI by coyotedata · · Score: 0

    The ISPs are going to be selling air and watrer soon-maybe they are going to buy the air rights-now what waas an ISP anyways.

  55. Re:cacti (waaaaaaay OT) by mattkinabrewmindspri · · Score: 1

    How in the heck was that a troll?